Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-25 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I like that there are three controls: Focus, aperture, shutter speed.
>
> Full automation is great but after a while it becomes tedious. Chimp,
> see what the camera is doing, decide if I need exposure comp, make
> sure the camera is focusing on the subject, decide if I have to choose
> a focus point, refocus, check the shutter speed and aperture in the
> viewfinder, adjust accordingly if necessary, etc., etc., etc.
>
> And that's what I mean by oppressive. One is constantly involved with
> the ~camera~ and less on the photograph.

Interesting.  I wonder what you're doing differently from me -- that's
not how I perceive my interactions with my camera.

For starters, I learned how to use a manual camera 35 years ago, and my
routine was something like, set the exposure, focus the split prism,
recompose, shoot.  I do almost exactly the same thing with a digital
camera (I always set AE/AF to center spot -- except now I don't need to
hunt for a convenient line to focus on).

That goes double with a P&S, with a DSLR I feel like I'm always paying
attention to my lenses.  Unless I'm really paying attention to getting
the exposure exactly right, I just compose and shoot.

One niggle: I actually find that auto-focus is less reliable with the
K-5/K-x, I suspect that's partly due to the smaller depth of field (IOW,
with a P&S the larger DOF covers a number of focusing sins).


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, Mark C wrote:
>
> Nice collection of shots, Paul. This one is my favorite. There's
> something fun about going out with a film camera, taking 24 or 36
> exposures, and not knowing for sure what you have till they get
> developed...

That's exactly what I hated most about film; combined with the cost, I
dropped out until digital cameras got good enough.  There's something
tremendously freeing about just not worrying about the incremental cost
of each shot (or whether you're going to run out of film at a critical
moment).
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Nuance, nuisance ... Frankly, I think it's a little bit of both.

Just finished another roll of film with the Voigtländer Bessa III:
I've finally sussed out how to scan my 6x6 film in a semi-automated
way with the Nikon Coolscan 9000ED using VueScan. It's easy now
(famous last words). Output files are 16bit-RGB DNG encapsulated TIFF
with zip compression, 74 Mpixels each, 449 Mbytes each. Scanning a
roll of 12 exposures takes about 45 minutes, another 20 to inject the
appropriate EXIF metadata, import into Lightroom, and add IPTC
annotation for location and keywords. The new Mac mini (2.6Ghz i7
quad-core, 16G RAM, 1T internal drive, data on FW800 external drives)
sucks them in and renders them with astonishing speed.

Now I can start the picking, grading, culling, spotting for dust, and
finish rendering.

Nuance ... nuisance ... ;-)

G


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, mail1  wrote:
> It's the nuance!
>
> Jonathan
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>
> Steady Stenquist lives!  The subject's face is sharp, but there is motion
> blur in her hands.  Nicely done, nicely rendered.  There =is= something
> about film, besides the nuisance...
>
> Rick
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>
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> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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> Subject: Film Day 3
>
> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at
> f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg
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RE: Film Day 3

2013-02-24 Thread mail1
It's the nuance!

Jonathan

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Steady Stenquist lives!  The subject's face is sharp, but there is motion
blur in her hands.  Nicely done, nicely rendered.  There =is= something
about film, besides the nuisance...

Rick


 
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Subject: Film Day 3

A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at
f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-24 Thread Rick Womer
Steady Stenquist lives!  The subject's face is sharp, but there is motion blur 
in her hands.  Nicely done, nicely rendered.  There =is= something about film, 
besides the nuisance...

Rick


 
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Subject: Film Day 3

A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, 
and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-24 Thread kwaller
But digital has helped me up my keeper ratio - compared to slides - since I 
can get I very good handle on the exposure - thank you histogram + RAW.


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Subject: Re: Film Day 3



On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:


Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
camera is refreshing.


Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-24 Thread David Mann
On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:06 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> One is constantly involved with the ~camera~ and less on the photograph.

Too true, and a philosophy that's applicable to many other areas of life.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Feb 23, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Thanks. I'll take a second look at the blacks.
>> The lens is the Summicron 50/2 Collapsible. It's in very nice shape, aside 
>> form the aperture being a bit stiff. With frequent use it loosens up. 
>> Certainly one of the best LTM lenses. I also have the Summaron 35/3.5, while 
>> not quite the equal of the Summicron, it's still quite nice.
> 
> Nice. I seem to recall the lens coatings on that era of Summicrons
> were often quite soft, so take care while cleaning it.

Yes, I've heard it's rare to find an old Summicron without cleaning marks. But 
either mine doesn't have any, or I'm too old to see them. I haven't cleaned it 
often. When I do it's with cleaning fluid and a very gentle wipe with a clean 
microfiber cloth. I keep a lens cap on it when not in use, which is almost all 
the time.
> 
>> My Agfa is the Isoletta, but it's the base model without a rangefinder. 
>> Focus has to be set by distance. It was my dad's camera. He bought it in 
>> Sweden in 1952 while visiting his mother for the last time, so the lens is 
>> marked in meters. He shot quite a bit with it, including stills that he used 
>> as inspiration for his oil paintings.When my mother came to live with us, 
>> she gave it to me. The lens was filthy in and out, so I took the front 
>> element off and cleaned it. Looks good now. Haven't shot with, but I loaded 
>> a roll of Portra 400 120 the other day and shot the first frame. May finish 
>> it today. I don't have a darkroom any more, but I still have developing 
>> tanks, so I may shoot some BW with it as well. I think I still have a few 
>> rolls of Plus X, which was once my favorite medium format BW film.
> 
> Ah, like my Balda Baldix. :-)
> 
> The new Fuji Neopan ACROS 100 is just spectacular. I shot a roll of it
> today with the Bessa III. Same as you, I have equipment and chemistry
> to process negatives only. I should get to it. :-)
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Thanks. I'll take a second look at the blacks.
> The lens is the Summicron 50/2 Collapsible. It's in very nice shape, aside 
> form the aperture being a bit stiff. With frequent use it loosens up. 
> Certainly one of the best LTM lenses. I also have the Summaron 35/3.5, while 
> not quite the equal of the Summicron, it's still quite nice.

Nice. I seem to recall the lens coatings on that era of Summicrons
were often quite soft, so take care while cleaning it.

> My Agfa is the Isoletta, but it's the base model without a rangefinder. Focus 
> has to be set by distance. It was my dad's camera. He bought it in Sweden in 
> 1952 while visiting his mother for the last time, so the lens is marked in 
> meters. He shot quite a bit with it, including stills that he used as 
> inspiration for his oil paintings.When my mother came to live with us, she 
> gave it to me. The lens was filthy in and out, so I took the front element 
> off and cleaned it. Looks good now. Haven't shot with, but I loaded a roll of 
> Portra 400 120 the other day and shot the first frame. May finish it today. I 
> don't have a darkroom any more, but I still have developing tanks, so I may 
> shoot some BW with it as well. I think I still have a few rolls of Plus X, 
> which was once my favorite medium format BW film.

Ah, like my Balda Baldix. :-)

The new Fuji Neopan ACROS 100 is just spectacular. I shot a roll of it
today with the Bessa III. Same as you, I have equipment and chemistry
to process negatives only. I should get to it. :-)

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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Mark C
Nice collection of shots, Paul. This one is my favorite. There's 
something fun about going out with a film camera, taking 24 or 36 
exposures, and not knowing for sure what you have till they get developed...


Mark

On 2/22/2013 1:36 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, 
and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg



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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Hey, I love digital. If I didn't I wouldn't use it.

But I find film (on a mechanical camera) to be refreshing for the reasons you 
stated, Paul.

I like that there are three controls: Focus, aperture, shutter speed. 

Full automation is great but after a while it becomes tedious. Chimp, see what 
the camera is doing, decide if I need exposure comp, make sure the camera is 
focusing on the subject, decide if I have to choose a focus point, refocus, 
check the shutter speed and aperture in the viewfinder, adjust accordingly if 
necessary, etc., etc., etc.

And that's what I mean by oppressive. One is constantly involved with the 
~camera~ and less on the photograph.

Because of the simplicity of controls of a mechanical camera all the auto 
functions are in my head, internalised and just as automatic as when they are 
in camera.

I do my own exposure comp by flicking aperture ring or shutter speed dial. I 
focus on the subject every time. I can concentrate on ~taking a picture~ rather 
than paying some attention to what the camera is doing.

That is why sometimes digital is oppressive.

Film clears my mind. When I pick up my dslr after a day shooting film I am 
invigorated and ready to have fun again.

But I love digital. Will never go back to film any more than a few times a 
year, just for fun. And to help me appreciate what digital can do.

Cheers,
frank

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On Feb 23, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
>>>> becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
>>>> camera is refreshing.
>>> 
>>> Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
>> 
>> I believe what Frank is saying is that an older film camera without
>> meters, autofocus or other electronic embellishments is in itself
>> simple and straightforward. The function of the machine is rewarding.
>> Using it correctly is not necessarily easy, but that's part of the fun
>> as well. I take pride even in the simple act of loading film into an
>> old screwmount Leica. It's anything but simple.
> 
> That makes sense, but I'm not getting what makes digital oppressive.

I don't think digital is oppressive, but it can get tedious and perhaps 
uninspiring. Change is good.

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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Feb 23, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
 becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
 camera is refreshing.
>>> 
>>> Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
>> 
>> I believe what Frank is saying is that an older film camera without
>> meters, autofocus or other electronic embellishments is in itself
>> simple and straightforward. The function of the machine is rewarding.
>> Using it correctly is not necessarily easy, but that's part of the fun
>> as well. I take pride even in the simple act of loading film into an
>> old screwmount Leica. It's anything but simple.
> 
> That makes sense, but I'm not getting what makes digital oppressive.

I don't think digital is oppressive, but it can get tedious and perhaps 
uninspiring. Change is good.

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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
>>> becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
>>> camera is refreshing.
>> 
>> Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
>
> I believe what Frank is saying is that an older film camera without
> meters, autofocus or other electronic embellishments is in itself
> simple and straightforward. The function of the machine is rewarding.
> Using it correctly is not necessarily easy, but that's part of the fun
> as well. I take pride even in the simple act of loading film into an
> old screwmount Leica. It's anything but simple.

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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
I believe what Frank is saying is that an older film camera without meters, 
autofocus or other electronic embellishments is in itself simple and 
straightforward. The function of the machine is rewarding.  Using it correctly 
is not necessarily easy, but that's part of the fun as well. I take pride even 
in the simple act of loading film into an old screwmount Leica. It's anything 
but simple.

Paul
On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
>> becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
>> camera is refreshing.
> 
> Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital
> becomes oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film
> camera is refreshing.

Could you expand on that?  My perception is that digital is way simpler.
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks. I'll take a second look at the blacks.
The lens is the Summicron 50/2 Collapsible. It's in very nice shape, aside form 
the aperture being a bit stiff. With frequent use it loosens up. Certainly one 
of the best LTM lenses. I also have the Summaron 35/3.5, while not quite the 
equal of the Summicron, it's still quite nice. 

My Agfa is the Isoletta, but it's the base model without a rangefinder. Focus 
has to be set by distance. It was my dad's camera. He bought it in Sweden in 
1952 while visiting his mother for the last time, so the lens is marked in 
meters. He shot quite a bit with it, including stills that he used as 
inspiration for his oil paintings.When my mother came to live with us, she gave 
it to me. The lens was filthy in and out, so I took the front element off and 
cleaned it. Looks good now. Haven't shot with, but I loaded a roll of Portra 
400 120 the other day and shot the first frame. May finish it today. I don't 
have a darkroom any more, but I still have developing tanks, so I may shoot 
some BW with it as well. I think I still have a few rolls of Plus X, which was 
once my favorite medium format BW film.

Paul
On Feb 23, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> I like all three. Good shots and a classic feel to them. :-)
> 
> Of the three, this one is the one I'd suggest a minor edit: just pull
> down the toe end in the curves as the blacks are a little weak.
> Otherwise I think you've caught the native rendering quality of that
> era's Summicron.
> 
> Is this the collapsible Summicron? It reminds me very much of what I
> used to get with the Leica IIIf and Summicron 50/2 that I inherited
> from my father. While I never bonded with that camera (long story as
> to why...) and sold it a long long time ago, it would be great to have
> the Summicron 50 and Elmar 35 that were part of that kit now. There's
> something about the way these older lenses render that I find very
> appealing.
> 
> Good to see the old Leica getting some exercise! Which Agfa folder
> have you got? One of my friends is gaga over his Agfa Isolette.
> 
> G
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Paul Stenquist
>  wrote:
>> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at 
>> f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original.
>> 
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I take my Leica CL (1973) out several times a year just to exercise it. The 
Yashica Mat EL (1958) sees action about once a year. Sadly, it's been almost 
three years since my Spotmatics have seen the light of day - haven't unpacked 
them since I moved three years ago. Must find them and take them out for a 
walk...

Old cameras are so much fun! Quite liberating, actually. Digital becomes 
oppressive after a while. The simplicity of a mechanical film camera is 
refreshing.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Paul Stenquist 
Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13
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Subject: Re: Film Day 3

Thanks Frank. Had a good time shooting film. And I gave the old Leica a bit of 
exercise.  I have an equally old Agfa folder that is also in need of a workout.
On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:18 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> My favourite of the three. The Leica was made for this!
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
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> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13
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> Subject: Film Day 3
> 
> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at 
> f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. 
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I like all three. Good shots and a classic feel to them. :-)

Of the three, this one is the one I'd suggest a minor edit: just pull
down the toe end in the curves as the blacks are a little weak.
Otherwise I think you've caught the native rendering quality of that
era's Summicron.

Is this the collapsible Summicron? It reminds me very much of what I
used to get with the Leica IIIf and Summicron 50/2 that I inherited
from my father. While I never bonded with that camera (long story as
to why...) and sold it a long long time ago, it would be great to have
the Summicron 50 and Elmar 35 that were part of that kit now. There's
something about the way these older lenses render that I find very
appealing.

Good to see the old Leica getting some exercise! Which Agfa folder
have you got? One of my friends is gaga over his Agfa Isolette.

G

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:
> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at 
> f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original.
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-22 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This
> one at f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg

After the shooting I've been doing this week with a K-5, I'm surprised
the DOF is that big at F4.
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Re: Film Day 3

2013-02-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Frank. Had a good time shooting film. And I gave the old Leica a bit of 
exercise.  I have an equally old Agfa folder that is also in need of a workout.
On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:18 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> My favourite of the three. The Leica was made for this!
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Film Day 3
> 
> A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at 
> f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. 
> 
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RE: Film Day 3

2013-02-22 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
My favourite of the three. The Leica was made for this!

;-)

Cheers,
frank

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From: Paul Stenquist 
Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13
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Subject: Film Day 3

A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, 
and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392&size=lg
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