Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement
Strange, never gelt the LV button to be in my way. Different handling of the camera I guess. 2010/9/30, Dario Bonazza : > I mean evil, eviL, evIL, eVIL, EVIL. Such a dangerous button couldn't be > 'better' misplaced than that! > If I'll ever buy a K-5 (and there is the serious risk), I'm going to glue a > plastic or rubber ring around it, so that I can spot the evil control by > touch with the eye at the viewfinder and won't risk to activate it by > mistake. > Dario > > - Original Message - > From: "Steven Desjardins" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > > > do you mean the "evil" LV button or the "EVIL" LV button? > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Dario Bonazza > wrote: >> Tanya Love wrote: >> >>> This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use >>> anything >>> BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that >>> point >>> on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the >>> camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play >>> with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is >>> so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even >>> think about it anymore. >>> >>> Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting >>> individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and >>> without >>> lots of button pressing? >> >> The K20D was so good at it, as it only needed to press the unmistakable >> '4-way ring' while looking through the viewfinder. >> The K-7 is a lot worse, as you have to find the proper arrow button (no >> longer a ring, unfortunately) and you risk to press the evil LV button >> instead. It happens to me about 50% of the times, thus resulting in the >> Live >> View screen flashing in your eye, while the viewfinder blacks-out! I find >> this the most annoying step back of the K-7 upon the K10D/K20D series. >> I've >> asked Pentax to update the K-7/K-5 firmware so that the LV button can be >> disabled, while re-assigning the LV function to the trash button, which >> has >> no use while shooting. To no avail, of course! >> >> Dario >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tanya Love wrote: Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? No and no. To be more subtle about it - you are going to lose a lot of shots in the process of getting to where you are now if you try. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/30/2010 12:03 PM, m...@robertstech.com wrote: Charles Robinson wrote: I suspect there is a LOT of information that is not visible on a turned-off display. Quote of the year ;-) But true. On a slightly more serious note. I think we're overburdened with information. In many cases if you're looking at the camera settings you're going to miss the shot. If you have the luxury of time you should be using a view camera. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Charles Robinson wrote: > I suspect there is a LOT of information that is not visible on a turned-off > display. Quote of the year ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 30, 2010, at 1:36, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 9/29/2010 12:00 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Sep 29, 2010, at 10:47, eckinator wrote: >> >>> 2010/9/29 Tanya Love: Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? >>> 4 way controller on the back can be set up to do it. The selected one >>> lights up in the viewfinder. It works well for all subjects moving >>> semi-fast and slower >>> >> FWIW, the selected point also shows up on the rear "info" display (on the >> K7). > > Not if you turn it off... > That's pretty logical, P.J. I suspect there is a LOT of information that is not visible on a turned-off display. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I mean evil, eviL, evIL, eVIL, EVIL. Such a dangerous button couldn't be 'better' misplaced than that! If I'll ever buy a K-5 (and there is the serious risk), I'm going to glue a plastic or rubber ring around it, so that I can spot the evil control by touch with the eye at the viewfinder and won't risk to activate it by mistake. Dario - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement do you mean the "evil" LV button or the "EVIL" LV button? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Tanya Love wrote: This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use anything BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that point on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even think about it anymore. Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? The K20D was so good at it, as it only needed to press the unmistakable '4-way ring' while looking through the viewfinder. The K-7 is a lot worse, as you have to find the proper arrow button (no longer a ring, unfortunately) and you risk to press the evil LV button instead. It happens to me about 50% of the times, thus resulting in the Live View screen flashing in your eye, while the viewfinder blacks-out! I find this the most annoying step back of the K-7 upon the K10D/K20D series. I've asked Pentax to update the K-7/K-5 firmware so that the LV button can be disabled, while re-assigning the LV function to the trash button, which has no use while shooting. To no avail, of course! Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tan, I do the same thing too. Three of my grandchildren were here for the last two days, and taking shots of them dancing you have to be quick, no time to muck about with menus and buttons. The alternative is manual focussing, pre-set usually to where the action point will be - a technique I used when there was a sack-race for the kids at another grandchild's birthday recently. I have to say that I am a bit of a Luddite when it comes to some of the fancy features on today's digital cameras: it's sometimes hard to see the point (pun intended!). I think it was Weegee who said that the secret of his success in photography was "F8 and be there" - I go along with that. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tanya Love Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 1:43 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use anything BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that point on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even think about it anymore. Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? Tan. :) Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 7:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:47 PM, William Robb wrote: > > ---------- > From: "paul stenquist" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > > >>> >>> Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled >>> whore that can run a little faster? >>> Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling >>> them with an 11 point system. >> >> I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. > > Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a focus point where I want it to be. > The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do > a lot of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in is too close to the center to be of any use. > I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit > to make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. While I don't do a lot of studio portraiture, I do some, and I frequently shoot people. I admit I sometimes have to reposition from the top or second tier outside point before clicking the shutter. I guess I've learned to live with that inconvenience and don't even think about it. But a few more points in that area wold be helpful. However, I still want the fast, low-light lock on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. Paul > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/29/2010 12:00 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 10:47, eckinator wrote: 2010/9/29 Tanya Love: Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? 4 way controller on the back can be set up to do it. The selected one lights up in the viewfinder. It works well for all subjects moving semi-fast and slower FWIW, the selected point also shows up on the rear "info" display (on the K7). Not if you turn it off... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Tanya Love" To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: RE: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement So am I! But just going to give it a K-5 sibling to "play" with! Sister, I'm going to try for a K-5 as well even though I just bought the K7. I want a K5/7 kit. I'll let you if I can swing it. :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Still waiting here, Bill. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:19 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "Steven Desjardins" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > >> Good for you. I admire a man who burns his bridges. >> > > I gotta tell you a story about that sometime. I'd probably go from troll to > almost human in your estimation... > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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do you mean the "evil" LV button or the "EVIL" LV button? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Tanya Love wrote: > >> This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use >> anything >> BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that >> point >> on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the >> camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play >> with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is >> so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even >> think about it anymore. >> >> Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting >> individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and >> without >> lots of button pressing? > > The K20D was so good at it, as it only needed to press the unmistakable > '4-way ring' while looking through the viewfinder. > The K-7 is a lot worse, as you have to find the proper arrow button (no > longer a ring, unfortunately) and you risk to press the evil LV button > instead. It happens to me about 50% of the times, thus resulting in the Live > View screen flashing in your eye, while the viewfinder blacks-out! I find > this the most annoying step back of the K-7 upon the K10D/K20D series. I've > asked Pentax to update the K-7/K-5 firmware so that the LV button can be > disabled, while re-assigning the LV function to the trash button, which has > no use while shooting. To no avail, of course! > > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you would benefit from choosing a focus point in situations where DOF is minimal. Repositioning after locking in focus slightly alters the distance from lens to subject. It can be a significant difference when shooting a tight portrait, for example, with a lens of moderate focal length -- say a 40 mm lens. When shooting moving kids I usually go for the center spot on top or in the second row. That comes closer to the eye level than does the center spot. Changing focal points is quick and easy once you get used to it. My thumb now does it automatically, and my brain nows that if I'm on the top spot and want to go to the left spot in the second row from the bottom, it's three clicks down and one left. Paul On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Tanya Love wrote: This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use anything BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that point on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even think about it anymore. Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? Tan. :) Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 7:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:47 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore that can run a little faster? Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with an 11 point system. I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a focus point where I want it to be. The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do a lot of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in is too close to the center to be of any use. I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. While I don't do a lot of studio portraiture, I do some, and I frequently shoot people. I admit I sometimes have to reposition from the top or second tier outside point before clicking the shutter. I guess I've learned to live with that inconvenience and don't even think about it. But a few more points in that area wold be helpful. However, I still want the fast, low- light lock on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 29, 2010, at 10:47, eckinator wrote: > 2010/9/29 Tanya Love : >> >> Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting >> individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without >> lots of button pressing? > > 4 way controller on the back can be set up to do it. The selected one > lights up in the viewfinder. It works well for all subjects moving > semi-fast and slower > FWIW, the selected point also shows up on the rear "info" display (on the K7). -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tanya Love wrote: This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use anything BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that point on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even think about it anymore. Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? The K20D was so good at it, as it only needed to press the unmistakable '4-way ring' while looking through the viewfinder. The K-7 is a lot worse, as you have to find the proper arrow button (no longer a ring, unfortunately) and you risk to press the evil LV button instead. It happens to me about 50% of the times, thus resulting in the Live View screen flashing in your eye, while the viewfinder blacks-out! I find this the most annoying step back of the K-7 upon the K10D/K20D series. I've asked Pentax to update the K-7/K-5 firmware so that the LV button can be disabled, while re-assigning the LV function to the trash button, which has no use while shooting. To no avail, of course! Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/29 Tanya Love : > > Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting > individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without > lots of button pressing? 4 way controller on the back can be set up to do it. The selected one lights up in the viewfinder. It works well for all subjects moving semi-fast and slower -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is an interesting line of conversation for me, as I NEVER use anything BUT the centre focus point. I am in such a habit of positioning that point on whatever I want in focus and half-pressing to lock it, then moving the camera to recompose the shot, I find it clumsy and time-consuming to play with focus points. Especially, when I am shooting fast moving kids, it is so intuitive to me now, to do as I just mentioned and I just don't even think about it anymore. Would I benefit, do you think from changing this habit and selecting individual focus points? Is there a way of doing this quickly, and without lots of button pressing? Tan. :) Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 7:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:47 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "paul stenquist" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > > >>> >>> Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore that can run a little faster? >>> Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with an 11 point system. >> >> I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. > > Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a focus point where I want it to be. > The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do a lot of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in is too close to the center to be of any use. > I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. While I don't do a lot of studio portraiture, I do some, and I frequently shoot people. I admit I sometimes have to reposition from the top or second tier outside point before clicking the shutter. I guess I've learned to live with that inconvenience and don't even think about it. But a few more points in that area wold be helpful. However, I still want the fast, low-light lock on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. Paul > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So am I! But just going to give it a K-5 sibling to "play" with! Please Santa, bring me a K-5 for Christmas! Tan.x Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 7:02 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: > http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg > > 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D > level (as 645D), completely new AF. > To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. > > Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. > > Enjoy... Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign supreme, but only within the domain... I'm keeping my K-7. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 07:56 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. But maybe its just my eyes... The nice thing about these old eyes is that if it looks fine in the viewfinder, it will look fine on screen and as a print. Just don't show it to anyone much younger — they tend to be overly critical! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/20 Boris Liberman : > > How about Forumae? and the not quite forumae but related such as discuss mail lists will be forumidae? well forumidaeble as the french say... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/20/2010 2:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's the Pentax Forums, (anyone who'd use Forums instead of Fora isn't worth the salt it would take to err, well, salt their fields), would you expect any less? How about Forumae? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 6:11 PM, Bob W wrote: it's not just about 'look' in the sense of fine grain/reduced noise, but about being able to make use of wider apertures in bright light. Especially with sensors smaller than 35mm, when the depth-of-field is so pronounced. On a sunny-16 day you'd struggle to shoot less than f/4 or f/5.6 at ISO 200. Bob With K-7's 1/8000 shutter I manage to pull out some shots at f/1.2, ISO 100 but obviously not in the bright of day... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 05:11:54PM +0100, Bob W wrote: > > > > > But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" > > as 50 in film terms? > > > > Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? > > > > I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really > > bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO > > on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. > > > > But maybe its just my eyes... > > > > ann > > it's not just about 'look' in the sense of fine grain/reduced noise, but > about being able to make use of wider apertures in bright light. Especially > with sensors smaller than 35mm, when the depth-of-field is so pronounced. On > a sunny-16 day you'd struggle to shoot less than f/4 or f/5.6 at ISO 200. > > Bob And that's assuming you have free choice of shutter speed. If you're shooting action you often are very constrained as to which shutter speeds you can use; shoot race cars (or cyclists) at too fast a shutter speed and you lose all of the sense of motion. I used to do almost all my race photography at ISO 100 (Provia 100F, in the film days); ISO 200 was faster than I really wanted. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe it should be Forae since they're all nerds. God, I just made a Latin pun. I may have to switch to Nikon for the sake of my family. -Original Message- From: David Parsons Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:38:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Forums is just as acceptable as fora, and far more prevalent. It's a question of do you speak Latin or English? On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It's the Pentax Forums, (anyone who'd use Forums instead of Fora isn't > worth the salt it would take to err, well, salt their fields), would you > expect any less? > > On 9/19/2010 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> >>> Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) >> >> So are they complaining about the camera all ready. >> >> Dave >>> >>> 2010/9/19 Boris Liberman: >>> >>>> Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will >>>> reign supreme, but only within the domain... >>>> >>>> I'm keeping my K-7. >>>> >>>> Boris >>> >>> -- >>> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs >>> -- >>> Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, >>> DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... >>> Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 >>> Programing: Delphi 2009 >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> > > > -- > "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed > moral bankruptcy." > -Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Forums is just as acceptable as fora, and far more prevalent. It's a question of do you speak Latin or English? On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It's the Pentax Forums, (anyone who'd use Forums instead of Fora isn't > worth the salt it would take to err, well, salt their fields), would you > expect any less? > > On 9/19/2010 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> >>> Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) >> >> So are they complaining about the camera all ready. >> >> Dave >>> >>> 2010/9/19 Boris Liberman: >>> Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign supreme, but only within the domain... I'm keeping my K-7. Boris >>> >>> -- >>> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs >>> -- >>> Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, >>> DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... >>> Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 >>> Programing: Delphi 2009 >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> > > > -- > "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed > moral bankruptcy." > -Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.spellingsociety.org/news/media/spoofs.php On 9/19/2010 5:04 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Boy, whoever wrote this couldn't spell at all. I could barely read it.;-p Seems like a nice body. maybe I'll get one in few years when the K3 comes out. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D level (as 645D), completely new AF. To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. Enjoy... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hell, the K10D had that. On 9/19/2010 8:27 AM, Michael Beacom wrote: I'm waiting on the perfect camera to replace the good one. The thing I want most, is a better viewfinder for manual focus. Cheers, Mike On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/19/2010 1:48 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: Time to upgrade from a K-100D? Cheers Mike Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely require and don't have? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's the Pentax Forums, (anyone who'd use Forums instead of Fora isn't worth the salt it would take to err, well, salt their fields), would you expect any less? On 9/19/2010 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Thibouille wrote: Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) So are they complaining about the camera all ready. Dave 2010/9/19 Boris Liberman: Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign supreme, but only within the domain... I'm keeping my K-7. Boris -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Thibouille wrote: Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) So are they complaining about the camera all ready. Yeah, it doesn't say D7000 on the nameplate. Apparently we are supposed to be nervous about this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > On 2010-09-19 17:00, paul stenquist wrote: > >> I still want the fast, low-light lock on the most. That would make ti a >> winner for me. > > I'd settle for fast AF lock under any circumstances. Me three Dave > > -- > Thanks, > DougF (KG4LMZ) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Thibouille wrote: > Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) So are they complaining about the camera all ready. Dave > > 2010/9/19 Boris Liberman : > >> >> Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will >> reign supreme, but only within the domain... >> >> I'm keeping my K-7. >> >> Boris > > > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs > -- > Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, > DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... > Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 > Programing: Delphi 2009 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Steven Desjardins" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Good for you. I admire a man who burns his bridges. I gotta tell you a story about that sometime. I'd probably go from troll to almost human in your estimation... William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I really like the body size and ergos of the K7. With the enhancements of the K5 over K7 over K20D it ought to be a pleasure to use. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> Good for you. I admire a man who burns his bridges. > > Thank you:-). It has been my practice to sell my backup when I think the > replacement will be available within a month or so. That usually means a few > extra dollars of resale value and a quick and easy sell. If I had a huge job > coming up, I would have waited, but I sold it on the heels a three-day shoot > with nothing big -- or at least nothing that wouldn't allow a reshoot -- on > the horizon. > Paul >> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:21 PM, paul stenquist >> wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >>> Hubris. We Pentaxians are damned short on hubris. >>> >>> I'm short on camera. Sold the K20 a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of >>> the K5, so I'm committed now. Happily so. >>> > > Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely > require and don't have? > > Boris > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Good for you. I admire a man who burns his bridges. Thank you:-). It has been my practice to sell my backup when I think the replacement will be available within a month or so. That usually means a few extra dollars of resale value and a quick and easy sell. If I had a huge job coming up, I would have waited, but I sold it on the heels a three-day shoot with nothing big -- or at least nothing that wouldn't allow a reshoot -- on the horizon. Paul > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:21 PM, paul stenquist > wrote: >> >> On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >>> Hubris. We Pentaxians are damned short on hubris. >> >> I'm short on camera. Sold the K20 a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of >> the K5, so I'm committed now. Happily so. >> >>> Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely require and don't have? Boris >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Desjardins >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good for you. I admire a man who burns his bridges. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:21 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> Hubris. We Pentaxians are damned short on hubris. > > I'm short on camera. Sold the K20 a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of > the K5, so I'm committed now. Happily so. > >> >>> >>> Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely >>> require and don't have? >>> >>> Boris >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Hubris. We Pentaxians are damned short on hubris. I'm short on camera. Sold the K20 a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of the K5, so I'm committed now. Happily so. > >> >> Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely >> require and don't have? >> >> Boris >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-19 17:00, paul stenquist wrote: I still want the fast, low-light lock on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. I'd settle for fast AF lock under any circumstances. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hubris. We Pentaxians are damned short on hubris. > > Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely > require and don't have? > > Boris > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boy, whoever wrote this couldn't spell at all. I could barely read it.;-p Seems like a nice body. maybe I'll get one in few years when the K3 comes out. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: > http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg > > 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D > level (as 645D), completely new AF. > To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. > > Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. > > Enjoy... > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs > -- > Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, > DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... > Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 > Programing: Delphi 2009 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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St we *may* get better SDM soon with the 18-135. St (note the 'may', thx). We can't get it all at the same time 2010/9/19 paul stenquist : > > On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:47 PM, William Robb wrote: > >> >> -- >> From: "paul stenquist" >> Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement >> >> >>>> >>>> Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore >>>> that can run a little faster? >>>> Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with >>>> an 11 point system. >>> >>> I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 >>> autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and >>> 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than >>> the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But >>> like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. >> >> Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current >> emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of >> the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a >> focus point where I want it to be. >> The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do a lot >> of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in >> is too close to the center to be of any use. >> I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to >> make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving >> it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between >> the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the >> present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. > > While I don't do a lot of studio portraiture, I do some, and I frequently > shoot people. I admit I sometimes have to reposition from the top or second > tier outside point before clicking the shutter. I guess I've learned to live > with that inconvenience and don't even think about it. But a few more points > in that area wold be helpful. However, I still want the fast, low-light lock > on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. > Paul >> >> William Robb >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/19 William Robb : > I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to > make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving > it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between > the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the > present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. > > William Robb > LOL, I think you nailed it ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:47 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "paul stenquist" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > > >>> >>> Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore >>> that can run a little faster? >>> Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with >>> an 11 point system. >> >> I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 >> autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and >> 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than >> the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But >> like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. > > Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current > emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of > the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a > focus point where I want it to be. > The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do a lot > of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in is > too close to the center to be of any use. > I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to > make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving it > to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between the > location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the > present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. While I don't do a lot of studio portraiture, I do some, and I frequently shoot people. I admit I sometimes have to reposition from the top or second tier outside point before clicking the shutter. I guess I've learned to live with that inconvenience and don't even think about it. But a few more points in that area wold be helpful. However, I still want the fast, low-light lock on the most. That would make ti a winner for me. Paul > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore that can run a little faster? Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with an 11 point system. I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. Obviously we don't have the same wants in a camera, 11 points in the current emulation is at best adequate sometimes, and at worst is inadequate much of the time. I always pick my AF point as well, and sometimes, there is even a focus point where I want it to be. The major exception to this is studio portraiture (which you don't do a lot of), where the end point isn't ever in the right spot and the next tier in is too close to the center to be of any use. I wouldn't mind the 11 point AF if they'd move the points around a bit to make them useful, but I suspect that losing the left hand point and moving it to the right side and moving both end sensors off center halfway between the location of the mid point sensors would cause the people who think the present system is adequate to whine like a 747 coming in for a landing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:51 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "Thibouille" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > >> Nope. SAFOX IX+ (spec sheet is mistaken) this has already been >> discussed in this very thread ;) > > Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore that > can run a little faster? > Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with an > 11 point system. I think I'll wait to hear from someone who has actually TRIED the K5 autofocus before passing judgement. I always pick my own focus points, and 11 are adequate. All I want is better lock on. The K7 is a lot better than the K20. I suspect this camera will be another significant improvement. But like I said, I'm not going to pass judgement, based on the DP whiners. Paul > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Thibouille" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Nope. SAFOX IX+ (spec sheet is mistaken) this has already been discussed in this very thread ;) Ok, Found the specs at DPReview. I take it SAFOX IX+ is a crippled whore that can run a little faster? Note to Pentax: Put a new AF into your cameras and stop hobbling them with an 11 point system. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Thibouille" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement Nope. SAFOX IX+ (spec sheet is mistaken) this has already been discussed in this very thread ;) I noticed that just after I'd sent. What is a SAFOX IX+? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nope. SAFOX IX+ (spec sheet is mistaken) this has already been discussed in this very thread ;) 2010/9/19 William Robb : > > -- > From: "Ralf R. Radermacher" > Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement > > >> >> There's also the finer print on the back: >> >> http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg2_verkleind.jpg > > Am I correct in reading that it is still using the same crippled whore AF as > the K-7? > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > Yeah I didn't think of that... But what I was thinking was (or > wondering was) if ISO 100 digital was like shooting with ISO 50 if you had a > film camera. > > OTOH if you shot really fast... wouldnt that balance out? > > hmmm > > ann > You'd be shooting at around 1/8000th. I don't know if that incurs any kind of penalties other than that such speeds feel rather ungodly to me. I don't think the Amish would ever shoot above 1/125th second. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Ralf R. Radermacher" Subject: Re: For those who wants spec sheets before announcement There's also the finer print on the back: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg2_verkleind.jpg Am I correct in reading that it is still using the same crippled whore AF as the K-7? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" as 50 in film terms? Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. But maybe its just my eyes... ann it's not just about 'look' in the sense of fine grain/reduced noise, but about being able to make use of wider apertures in bright light. Especially with sensors smaller than 35mm, when the depth-of-field is so pronounced. On a sunny-16 day you'd struggle to shoot less than f/4 or f/5.6 at ISO 200. Bob Yeah I didn't think of that... But what I was thinking was (or wondering was) if ISO 100 digital was like shooting with ISO 50 if you had a film camera. OTOH if you shot really fast... wouldnt that balance out? hmmm ann I -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" > as 50 in film terms? > > Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? > > I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really > bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO > on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. > > But maybe its just my eyes... > > ann it's not just about 'look' in the sense of fine grain/reduced noise, but about being able to make use of wider apertures in bright light. Especially with sensors smaller than 35mm, when the depth-of-field is so pronounced. On a sunny-16 day you'd struggle to shoot less than f/4 or f/5.6 at ISO 200. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If the native sensibility of the Sony sensor is iso200 as it often is (with Sony), iso 100 is already less than nominal sensitivity. iso80 is surprising IMO. Less would be too harmful I believe. I expect everything below 200 to be in extended mode only as well as 25600 and 51200iso. There's no replacement for ND filter but as Mark Roberts said, it is good to be there, just we need to know we are losing using that setting. 2010/9/19 Adam Maas : > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >> Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>> Thibouille wrote: >>> >>> http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) >>> >>> I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO >>> 50 would have been nice... >>> >>> >> >> But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" as >> 50 in film terms? >> >> Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? >> I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really >> bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO >> on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. >> >> But maybe its just my eyes... >> >> ann >> > > Not really, ISO 50 or 25 allows you to do things on a tripod that you > can't at 100, especially if you're shooting flowing water. > > > > -Adam > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/19 Adam Maas : > > Not really, ISO 50 or 25 allows you to do things on a tripod that you > can't at 100, especially if you're shooting flowing water. Maybe it is just me but that sounds kinda naughty =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Thibouille wrote: >> >> >>> >>> http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg >>> >>> 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) >>> >> >> I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO >> 50 would have been nice... >> >> > > But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" as > 50 in film terms? > > Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? > I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really > bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO > on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. > > But maybe its just my eyes... > > ann > Not really, ISO 50 or 25 allows you to do things on a tripod that you can't at 100, especially if you're shooting flowing water. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Excellent news on the autofocu, Thibouille. Thanks. Paul On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Thibouille wrote: It is a mistake, ix+ is confirmed, just as 645D. Seems pentax hamburg does often mistakes. It is obvious they lodified k7 spec sheet. 2010/9/19, Adam Maas : On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:03 AM, paul stenquist > wrote: On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D level (as 645D), completely new AF. To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. Enjoy... Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign supreme, but only within the domain... I'm keeping my K-7. Excellent camera. New autofocus is the big plus for me. I'm keeping my K-7 too -- as a backup. Doesn't look like a new AF unit though, spec sheet on the back says SAFOX VIII+. Looks like this will remain Pentax's weak point. Note everything else on the sheet is comparable to the D300s and 7D except possibly the video capability. The Sensor looks insane, ISO 51,200? -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is a mistake, ix+ is confirmed, just as 645D. Seems pentax hamburg does often mistakes. It is obvious they lodified k7 spec sheet. 2010/9/19, Adam Maas : > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:03 AM, paul stenquist > wrote: >> >> On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D level (as 645D), completely new AF. To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. Enjoy... >>> >>> Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will >>> reign supreme, but only within the domain... >>> >>> I'm keeping my K-7. >> >> Excellent camera. New autofocus is the big plus for me. I'm keeping my K-7 >> too -- as a backup. >> > > Doesn't look like a new AF unit though, spec sheet on the back says > SAFOX VIII+. Looks like this will remain Pentax's weak point. Note > everything else on the sheet is comparable to the D300s and 7D except > possibly the video capability. The Sensor looks insane, ISO 51,200? > > -Adam > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO 50 would have been nice... But doesn't ISO 100 on a digital cam pretty much get you the same "look" as 50 in film terms? Does 100 become more like 25 when the top of the scale is really high? I can't handhold my camera at anything under 400 unless it is a really bright day. But it seems to me that 400 ISO on my drk side Camera is as sharp and fine as PKR64 in good light. But maybe its just my eyes... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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eckinator wrote: >2010/9/19 Mark Roberts : >> >> I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO >> 50 would have been nice... > >Isn't ISO lower than a certain value extended range just as ISO higher >than a certain value? Wouldn't an ND filter be better in terms of IQ >maybe? Yep. An ND filter might be a little better in terms of dynamic range. It's just not an option when you're out on the trail somewhere and haven't brought an ND filter along ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 4:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO 50 would have been nice... Mark, something tells me that an artificially lowered actual ISO is not as good as the real thing. Given that it well might be the first Pentax DSLR with such a feature, it will be interesting to see the experiments and results. I wonder how "my" theorem would apply to high ISO values. For what I've seen on the net, both Nikon and Canon at 102400 look very hmmm how to put it, marketingish to me... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/19 Ralf R. Radermacher : > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO >> 50 would have been nice... > > Just what is the actual ISO rating of the sensor they're using, 100 or > 200? > > Ralf > Base is 200, like all the current Sony CMOS sensors. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: > I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO > 50 would have been nice... Just what is the actual ISO rating of the sensor they're using, 100 or 200? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/19 Mark Roberts : > > I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO > 50 would have been nice... Isn't ISO lower than a certain value extended range just as ISO higher than a certain value? Wouldn't an ND filter be better in terms of IQ maybe? Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thibouille wrote: >http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg > >7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) I'm more interested in the ISO going down to 80 than up to 51200. ISO 50 would have been nice... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK Pentax, you had me at hello... 2010/9/19 Thibouille : > http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg > > 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D > level (as 645D), completely new AF. > To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. > > Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. > > Enjoy... > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs > -- > Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, > DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... > Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 > Programing: Delphi 2009 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 2:27 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: I'm waiting on the perfect camera to replace the good one. The thing I want most, is a better viewfinder for manual focus. Cheers, Mike I have -6 diopters in each of my (weary) eyes. As a matter of course I use both Pentax eye cap magnifier and Katz Eye focusing screen. I feel considerable eye strain after more than 1-2 hours of shooting with A 50/1.2 even in bright Mediterranean light. Since it would seem that K-5 and K-7 would have the same viewfinder, you don't necessarily have to shell out for K-5. Though of course these cameras offer great many additional advantages of your K100D. In fact, if it is the manual lenses that you're using, you might be better off with applying Pentax K to Canon EOS adapter to their full frame bodies, such as Canon 5D... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm waiting on the perfect camera to replace the good one. The thing I want most, is a better viewfinder for manual focus. Cheers, Mike On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/19/2010 1:48 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: Time to upgrade from a K-100D? Cheers Mike Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely require and don't have? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:03 AM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > >> On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg >>> >>> 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D >>> level (as 645D), completely new AF. >>> To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. >>> >>> Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. >>> >>> Enjoy... >> >> Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will >> reign supreme, but only within the domain... >> >> I'm keeping my K-7. > > Excellent camera. New autofocus is the big plus for me. I'm keeping my K-7 > too -- as a backup. > Doesn't look like a new AF unit though, spec sheet on the back says SAFOX VIII+. Looks like this will remain Pentax's weak point. Note everything else on the sheet is comparable to the D300s and 7D except possibly the video capability. The Sensor looks insane, ISO 51,200? -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 1:48 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: Time to upgrade from a K-100D? Cheers Mike Why would you want to upgrade? Anything particular that you absolutely require and don't have? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Time to upgrade from a K-100D? Cheers Mike On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D level (as 645D), completely new AF. To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. Enjoy... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Excellent camera. New autofocus is the big plus for me. I'm keeping my K-7 too -- as a backup. Paul, you don't mean to say that you've found AF of K-7 lacking in some shooting situations that you experienced? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: >> http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg >> >> 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D >> level (as 645D), completely new AF. >> To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. >> >> Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. >> >> Enjoy... > > Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign > supreme, but only within the domain... > > I'm keeping my K-7. Excellent camera. New autofocus is the big plus for me. I'm keeping my K-7 too -- as a backup. > > Boris > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thibouille wrote: > http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg There's also the finer print on the back: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg2_verkleind.jpg Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah read that already on Pentaxforums ;) 2010/9/19 Boris Liberman : > > Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will > reign supreme, but only within the domain... > > I'm keeping my K-7. > > Boris -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/19/2010 10:59 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.priyantha.nl/GoT/Pentax_K-5/K5_specs_pg1_verkleind.jpg 7fps, HDR with auto align, 80-51200iso (!!) 10...@25fps, 16.3MP, 3D level (as 645D), completely new AF. To be confirmed: AF-C with priority on shutter or focus etc. Body is exactly as K7, same grip, same battery. Enjoy... Thanks, Thibs. Good step up for Pentax. Again, in Pentax-land, K-5 will reign supreme, but only within the domain... I'm keeping my K-7. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
