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Porter's sells them. Probably B&H does, too. Henri Toivonen wrote: Scott Nelson wrote: Hey, on that subject, where can I find one of those small things that you can screw on the MX? The shutter release is too small to use with gloves.
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You want small and light, an MX. You want something that gets the job done, K1000. In either case, these are old enough that some repair shops can lube for cold, which you might want to do to keep shutter accurate. Brett Mckay wrote: Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries.
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Ryan, Okay, so my life ~is~ dull after all. At least it's not sedentary. No, when I took the photo, is was hand holding my little Minolta HiMatic F. Didn't want to risk an expensive camera zipping through traffic with one hand on the bar. Just held the camera and snapped with one hand. I was holding the camera around waist high, not looking through the viewfinder. Took several, but that was the best one. Nope, no night shots, but that's a great idea!! I got out of the habit of bringing that cam in my courier bag - gotta get back into the habit of bringing it with me at all times. Geez, Ryan, you really should get out there and do some interesting, off-the-wall stuff, eh? cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:34:49 +1000 My life including mountain-biking, 60+kmh downhill inline skating, occasionally skating down staircases too, hockey, outdoor rockclimbing, abseiling down waterfalls, and more recently added one off, yacht racing (thanks to a friend who was short of a man weekends ago), tempered with big stressful essays like Buddhist art its political implications, occasionally mucking about on my jazzy little thinline electric guitar and occasionally taking pictures of weird people jumping out of trees, just felt like a poor effort when I heard that somone I knew personally, was soaring round the Swiss alps in a flimsy parachute like thingo (at first I thought it was the one in the giant sock, but can't think of what that's called..) taking pictures at fridge temperature more than 4000 metres high. (Not to mention someone else I know cycled down a 4 storey escalator and while I couldn't keep my eyes in my head, my camera was being cold and lonely at home!) -i think i need some fresh air- (morale isn't improved knowing most of you smirkers are going to have lots of it come GFM..) *green with envy, or assignment fever* About Laurent's winged photographic escapades, I'll get the details as soon as he mails me back (which I hope won't be too long- if I were doing what he's doing, my computer will be the neglected device of choice..) Cheers, Ryan PS. Frank, was that the one taken mounted on the bike? Very nice- sure does capture the feeling cycling between traffic! Got any night ones? - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > Hmph: > > My life's anything but dull: > > http://urbancaravan.com/images/bike_couriers_life.JPG > > But seriously, Ryan, that's one cool photo! Get details, and let us know! > > cheers, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > >From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 01:19:40 +1000 > > > >A friend of mine, Laurent, who just returned to Lausanne just emailed me > >this pic and if I ever get the chance, I'll convince him to get me up there > >with him. Seems a bit high? It was more than 4000 metres in his paraglider. > >Not quite sure what camera it was or how cold it was, but I've asked him > >for > >details. I suspect it was one of those point and click digitals. Still. > >Very > >impressed. Is your life looking dull and uninspired? :) > > > >http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/LaurentBusenhart0108-59.jpg > > > >Regards, > >Ryan > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "frank theriault" > > > Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > > > > > > >I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions > > > possible. > > > > >It was something like -43ºC, > > > > > > _ > MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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If that is a point and click digital I an very impressed. Ryan wrote: A friend of mine, Laurent, who just returned to Lausanne just emailed me this pic and if I ever get the chance, I'll convince him to get me up there with him. Seems a bit high? It was more than 4000 metres in his paraglider. Not quite sure what camera it was or how cold it was, but I've asked him for details. I suspect it was one of those point and click digitals. Still. Very impressed. Is your life looking dull and uninspired? :) http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/LaurentBusenhart0108-59.jpg Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
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I note from the manual that the operating range of the MZ-S is from -10°C to 50°C (14°F to 122°F), and it offers the caution that you should put the camera in a plastic bag or wrap when moving from very warm to very cold areas, to avoid condensation droplets getting into the camera. John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - I have not found any specification for the MZ-S but I wouldn't consider it > anyway. > Sven >
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Hmph: My life's anything but dull: http://urbancaravan.com/images/bike_couriers_life.JPG But seriously, Ryan, that's one cool photo! Get details, and let us know! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 01:19:40 +1000 A friend of mine, Laurent, who just returned to Lausanne just emailed me this pic and if I ever get the chance, I'll convince him to get me up there with him. Seems a bit high? It was more than 4000 metres in his paraglider. Not quite sure what camera it was or how cold it was, but I've asked him for details. I suspect it was one of those point and click digitals. Still. Very impressed. Is your life looking dull and uninspired? :) http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/LaurentBusenhart0108-59.jpg Regards, Ryan > - Original Message - > From: "frank theriault" > Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > > >I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions > possible. > > >It was something like -43ºC, _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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A friend of mine, Laurent, who just returned to Lausanne just emailed me this pic and if I ever get the chance, I'll convince him to get me up there with him. Seems a bit high? It was more than 4000 metres in his paraglider. Not quite sure what camera it was or how cold it was, but I've asked him for details. I suspect it was one of those point and click digitals. Still. Very impressed. Is your life looking dull and uninspired? :) http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/LaurentBusenhart0108-59.jpg Regards, Ryan > - Original Message - > From: "frank theriault" > Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > > >I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions > possible. > > >It was something like -43ºC,
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> Some people made a external battery compartment. I even remember > reading that a manufacturer made one. With a cord - so you can > keep the battery in a pocket or some other relativly warm place. > You would need a screw-in contact thing to put in the camera. For the LX - http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/lxrmtcrd.jpg Fred
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Brett, Keith almost said it all. I'll add my 2 dimes: There is only two possible K cameras and one necessary "treatment" for really cold temperature: a "winterized" MX or KX. Tecnicians in Quebec often have to prepare cameras for extreme cold temperature when people like biologists work outside during winter. They basically take out the grease when doing a CLA and they will only do this on focal plane mechanical bodies. The camera will work about as good, make a bit more noise I think (and, I guess, get used a bit faster) but who cares when it is the only way to know your speeds will be precise enough rather than totally off because of the grease. I keep one winterized KX because it is bigger and easier to grip with mittens than the MX. The LX is good at cold temperatures but don't have low mechanical speeds. Andre Furthermore, do keep in mind that very low temperature environmental conditions will stiffen any grease or oil present in the actual camera body you're taking. So, just choosing a camera body by model name may not guarantee you operation as a sub-zero camera. It all depends on how it was treated, and what sort of lube any repair person added to it during any CLA, or otherwise. keith whaley
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- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > Bill, > > So you tested them in April in Regina, then? Har. Christmas day. I think 1988. William Robb > > >I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions possible. > >It was something like -43ºC,
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Bill, So you tested them in April in Regina, then? -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions possible. It was something like -43ºC, _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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I would agree 100% with the CLA ahead of time thought. Furthermore I note no one has mentioned the Ricoh cameras which for the most part are available quite reasonable, many are totally manual except for a light meter that serves no necessary function. The best part is they take Pentax lenses! 8) Dave -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR Any camera that is to be used in extreme cold should be CLAed and reassembled with cold weather lubricants. A good camera repair shop will know what to use and where to use it. Otherwise, you're libel to end up with slow moving shutter curtains at high speed. MX would be fine as would almost any other manual body. The lube is what makes a difference in the cold. Spoken by someone who once six rolls of film shooting football at Chicago's Soldier Field in -10 F weather. Paul On May 30, 2004, at 11:02 AM, frank theriault wrote: > Brett, > > There is only one answer to your question. There is no argument. > Anyone who gives you any other answer is wrong. Not only is this the > best manual body that Pentax ever made, it may be the best body Pentax > ever made, ~period~. > > No doubt this has already been mentioned in several answers, but it is: > > the MX > > Read no more. Go acquire one, and fall in love. > > HTH, > frank > > ps: have I seen you here before? Not that I recall. If you're new, > welcome to the list, and hang on for a fun ride!!-ft > > > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > >> From: Brett Mckay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Fully manual SLR >> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:09:46 +1000 >> >> Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for >> use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics >> or batteries. >> > > _ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/ > prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/ > enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >
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there are a lot of people who have published their work done using Canon DSLRs at -40 for entire days. pretty much any modern upper end SLR will work in such conditions without special preparation but with good warm batteries. Herb - Original Message - From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: AW: Fully manual SLR > I don't think it is a good idea to use *any* camera that relies on a motor > to transport film. > > FWIW, the LX is specified to work electronically between -20 and +50°C. The > mechanical shutter speeds are specified to work up to -30° C (thats quite > cold but can happen in Russia). > The MX is specified to work between -20° and -50°C. > I have not found any specification for the MZ-S but I wouldn't consider it > anyway. > > The *ist D - surprise surprise - is not specified to work below freezing at > all (!) and only up to 40° C.
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i agree. moreover, modern cameras of the higher end types don't need any treatments for cold weather. they already are designed to handle very cold conditions out of the box. for film cameras, the film may break during wind/rewind or get static. batteries are the only thing that hold back modern cameras. for a DSLR, you can deal with a lot of that with an external power source as they all have external power connectors. it's not that hard to make an external power pack with the right voltage and a sufficiently long cable. Herb - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > Bad lubrication job... > > I don't care who did it.
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- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > > I recall some time ago a story that the service centres could apply low temp > lubes to alleviate these problems? > One of the local newsboys I used to know had a low temp Nikon. It spent half the year in the deep freeze, the other half working. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "keller.schaefer" Subject: AW: Fully manual SLR > > The *ist D - surprise surprise - is not specified to work below freezing at > all (!) and only up to 40° C. > I think this is typical of digital cameras in general. Manufacturers are in CYA mode, if you use it below freezing and the camera kaaks because of condensation inside, then you are on your own. The LCD panel probably doesn't work so well at warmer temperatures, and I bet the sensor gets noisy as well. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > Bad lubrication job... > > I don't care who did it. This was with brand new cameras, less than 2 months out of the box. I was testing them under about the most extreme conditions possible. It was something like -43ºC, and it took about an hour and a half to kill the K1000, and another half hour or so to do in the LX. The LX batteries died about the same time the K1000 froze, but the shutter kept going for some time after. William Robb > > And #3: The camera freezes up completely. > > > > I have had both K1000 and LX shutters freeze open. > >
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Most fairly modern cameras have synthetic lubricants in them that should not be a problem. I so know my MX's (when new) worked ok down to -20f with the factory lubricants although the meters were a bit undependable at those temperatures. -- Rob Studdert wrote: On 30 May 2004 at 12:03, William Robb wrote: And #3: The camera freezes up completely. I have had both K1000 and LX shutters freeze open. I recall some time ago a story that the service centres could apply low temp lubes to alleviate these problems? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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On 30 May 2004 at 12:03, William Robb wrote: > And #3: The camera freezes up completely. > > I have had both K1000 and LX shutters freeze open. I recall some time ago a story that the service centres could apply low temp lubes to alleviate these problems? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Hi, Brett Mckay wrote: Thanks to the people who have replied so far. Just adding some details. I am after a Pentax camera that takes K-mount lenses. I assumed people would talk about Pentax as it is on the Pentax mailing list. These I have for my MZ-S. My worry is when I visit Russia at the end of the year that the MZ-S will not work at the low temperatures. I also have a P30, which is my normal backup, but it may have the same problems with needing a battery to function. Last year I spent a lot of February in Siberia. Amongst others, I used an MZ-S with about four different lenses. Some days, it was outside from 9.00am to after dark. Once, I had to take it from well below zero to about 30degreesC. I spent about 20minutes mopping condensation from it. I didn't get quite cold enough to start snapping film but it was into the minus 30s on occasion. The camera and lenses behaved faultlessly. Unlike my fingers, eyes, toes, knees and other bits. mike
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I meant to say "spoken by someone who once lost six rolls of film shooting in -10F weather in Soldier's Field." By the way, I agree with Bob that an LX with the external battery pack in a pocket would be ideal. The electronic shutter is probably less susceptible to cold weather problems than is a mechanical shutter. Paul On May 30, 2004, at 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Any camera that is to be used in extreme cold should be CLAed and reassembled with cold weather lubricants. A good camera repair shop will know what to use and where to use it. Otherwise, you're libel to end up with slow moving shutter curtains at high speed. MX would be fine as would almost any other manual body. The lube is what makes a difference in the cold. Spoken by someone who once six rolls of film shooting football at Chicago's Soldier Field in -10 F weather. Paul On May 30, 2004, at 11:02 AM, frank theriault wrote: Brett, There is only one answer to your question. There is no argument. Anyone who gives you any other answer is wrong. Not only is this the best manual body that Pentax ever made, it may be the best body Pentax ever made, ~period~. No doubt this has already been mentioned in several answers, but it is: the MX Read no more. Go acquire one, and fall in love. HTH, frank ps: have I seen you here before? Not that I recall. If you're new, welcome to the list, and hang on for a fun ride!!-ft "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Brett Mckay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fully manual SLR Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:09:46 +1000 Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/ prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/ enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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Any camera that is to be used in extreme cold should be CLAed and reassembled with cold weather lubricants. A good camera repair shop will know what to use and where to use it. Otherwise, you're libel to end up with slow moving shutter curtains at high speed. MX would be fine as would almost any other manual body. The lube is what makes a difference in the cold. Spoken by someone who once six rolls of film shooting football at Chicago's Soldier Field in -10 F weather. Paul On May 30, 2004, at 11:02 AM, frank theriault wrote: Brett, There is only one answer to your question. There is no argument. Anyone who gives you any other answer is wrong. Not only is this the best manual body that Pentax ever made, it may be the best body Pentax ever made, ~period~. No doubt this has already been mentioned in several answers, but it is: the MX Read no more. Go acquire one, and fall in love. HTH, frank ps: have I seen you here before? Not that I recall. If you're new, welcome to the list, and hang on for a fun ride!!-ft "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Brett Mckay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fully manual SLR Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:09:46 +1000 Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/ prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/ enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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Bad lubrication job... I don't care who did it. Regards, Bob... From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: "Scott Nelson" > > > In my experience, there are usually only two problems with shooting > in > > cold weather. #1 is batteries, > > > > Problem #2a is having to shoot without taking your gloves off. > > And #3: The camera freezes up completely. > > I have had both K1000 and LX shutters freeze open.
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The Pentax LX was specifically designed for environmental extremes. For example, the motor wind battery case can be detached from the mechanics (like the MX) and a cord used so that you can keep the battery warm in your pocket. It was designed with the best seals of any camera ever made, save underwater designs. It was selected by National Geographic as their choice for 35 mm format for an expedition to the Antarctica. (Unfortunately, the expedition was canceled.) I have used one of my LXs for extended durations down to -30F in Quebec with no problems! It can be operated using fully manual shutter. Before you bring the camera indoors, place it in a Ziploc bag until it warms up, and you won't be plagued with condensation. FYI, the light meter worked fine. I just had to make the usual corrections for snow. Regards, Bob... From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If you want a camera that meets your specific requirements, you'll have to > get one without a built-in light meter. With Pentax, that puts you back > forty years or so, to pre Spotmatic days. Nikons are a good choice as they > have models that were meterless into the seventies, I believe. Meters were > optional, or could be added. If you don't mind batteries JUST for the > meter function, then the Pentax MX is a good choice. Small, light, works > fully without batteries (except for meter), takes a full range of Pentax > lenses (earlier bodies can't use many of the newer lenses. The ME series > leaves you with limited shutter speeds. > > Early Leicas are also a good choice, although glass for them can be spendy, > and some of the cameras are bulky. > > You mention nothing of your budget, intended use of the camera, or anything > else, so further suggestions would be difficult. Must you have an SLR? > There are some good rangefinder options out there. > > Shel Belinkoff > > > From: Brett Mckay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use > > in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or > > batteries.
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Some people made a external battery compartment. I even remember reading that a manufacturer made one. With a cord - so you can keep the battery in a pocket or some other relativly warm place. You would need a screw-in contact thing to put in the camera. I don't know how "long" the camera will work, tough. A K1000 would be my choise as well (since I already got one). But I gues many different maunal cameras might do just as well. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. maj 2004 08:19 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Fully manual SLR My K1000 has seen a number of Northern Canadian winters(usually -20 c during the day)and has functioned well.If you have a light meter,the batteries in the K1000 for its meter can be removed.If you want screwmount,i'd say the SV or S3 would be ok. Dave > Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use > in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or > batteries. >
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Wow, it must have been really cold (humid too?). I don't suppose it make much difference what kind of camera you use with regards to that particular problem. Scott On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 08:40, William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Brett Mckay" > Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > > > > > > > > Will an LX work without the battery as I may be able to borrow one > of these? > > > > The LX will work without batteries, but only at shutter speeds from > x-sync to 1/2000 second. > Look for an external battery cable for whatever camera you want to > take. > > William Robb > >
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Scott Nelson wrote: Problem #2a is having to shoot without taking your gloves off. Hey, on that subject, where can I find one of those small things that you can screw on the MX? The shutter release is too small to use with gloves. /Henri
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- Original Message - From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > In my experience, there are usually only two problems with shooting in > cold weather. #1 is batteries, > > Problem #2a is having to shoot without taking your gloves off. And #3: The camera freezes up completely. I have had both K1000 and LX shutters freeze open. William Robb
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I'd go for a KX - has all the features like DoF preview and so on and is reliable. If you want to save weight and size then an MX would be best. Nick -Original Message- From: "Brett Mckay"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 30/05/04 11:09:46 To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fully manual SLR Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries.
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D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: > > Brett Mckay wrote: > > > > > Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use > > > in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or > > > batteries. > > No electronics? I'm _really_ fond of the S3 and the S1a in that > category. I haven't tried them in _extreme_ cold to find out > what the lubricants do, but the S3 is about the sweetest SLR to > use that doesn't use any batteries. These are screew mount, and they do not accept Pentax K-bayonet lenses. Dario
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OK :-) - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Fully manual SLR > Hi, Dario, > > The guy never said a word about using Pentax lenses, just that he was > looking for an all manual SLR. He was given suggestions about various > Pentax bodies, and asked if a rangefinder might work. And, FWIW, there is > at least one Pentax lens made in Leica mount, so a Leica is not completely > useless for Pentax glass ;-)) > > Shel Belinkoff
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: > There are some good rangefinder options out there. As useless as a Nikon SLR body (for using Pentax lenses). Mark Dalal wrote: > BTW: I'd always read that the Nikon FM/FM2 is THE extreme cold weather SLR. > Of course, that doesn't help if one doesn't have Nikon lenses. I'd suggest the following: K1000/KM/KX/MX In case some extra compactness and lightweight won't hurt, I'd choose the MX (as small as a small rangefinder but capable to accept K lenses :-) Dario Bonazza
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I would suggest the following: MX KX K1000 All use batteries for the meter circuit but work fine as 100% manual cameras without the batteries. A MX with a dead meter should be rather cheap. K1000's tend to be overpriced for what they are. The KX is about the best price/preformance ratio of any camera I can think of. I can not think, offhand, of any new cameras that meet your criteria. -- Brett Mckay wrote: Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You mention nothing of your budget, intended use of the camera, or anything > else, so further suggestions would be difficult. Must you have an SLR? > There are some good rangefinder options out there. Shel, Any feedback on how rangefinders cop with extreme cold? Any alignment and/or shutter issues? BTW: I'd always read that the Nikon FM/FM2 is THE extreme cold weather SLR. Of course, that doesn't help if one doesn't have Nikon lenses. Mark
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If you want a camera that meets your specific requirements, you'll have to get one without a built-in light meter. With Pentax, that puts you back forty years or so, to pre Spotmatic days. Nikons are a good choice as they have models that were meterless into the seventies, I believe. Meters were optional, or could be added. If you don't mind batteries JUST for the meter function, then the Pentax MX is a good choice. Small, light, works fully without batteries (except for meter), takes a full range of Pentax lenses (earlier bodies can't use many of the newer lenses. The ME series leaves you with limited shutter speeds. Early Leicas are also a good choice, although glass for them can be spendy, and some of the cameras are bulky. You mention nothing of your budget, intended use of the camera, or anything else, so further suggestions would be difficult. Must you have an SLR? There are some good rangefinder options out there. Shel Belinkoff > [Original Message] > From: Brett Mckay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 5/30/2004 3:13:21 AM > Subject: Fully manual SLR > > Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use > in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or > batteries.
Re: Fully manual SLR
I've taken an ME Super on mountaineering expeditions: it's a good choice IMO due to its low weight and mechanical operation capabilities - it has a battery and electronics, but can operate without them at 1/125, 1/2000 and B shutter speeds. S Brett Mckay wrote: Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or batteries.
Re: Fully manual SLR
My K1000 has seen a number of Northern Canadian winters(usually -20 c during the day)and has functioned well.If you have a light meter,the batteries in the K1000 for its meter can be removed.If you want screwmount,i'd say the SV or S3 would be ok. Dave > Which would be the best fully manual SLR be to buy as a backup for use > in extremely cold temperatures. So I do not want any electronics or > batteries. >
