Card failure due to (laptop) card reader [Was: Re: K3 card failure]
I'm reviving this old thread because something similar happened to me today, similar to what Bruce reported. (Rob's case --- the initial email of the old thread --- is different I guess, because his card wasn't read even by his camera.) Although I didn't loose any photos (I think), I hope this email helps to shed some light into the problem, and help others to solve similar issues. (Hopefully this won't happen to often...) [Below is Bruce's reply to give the context, and then follow my observations.] On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? [...] BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. For me however it was even more strange --- I have a Pentax K-30, SanDisk Extreme 16 GiB: * I've locked the card for read-only; (I always do this for precaution, and as a habit because of OS X, which insists in creating hidden files and folders even when though I just open a disk / card to read it;) * I've put the card in the laptop's card reader; (this was extremely dumb of me, because I know that my card reader has issues due to the Linux driver (or maybe the hardware?); usually I use an external one...) * mounted it in Linux, and successfully copied the files on my laptop; * unmounted it, mounted another card, did the same as above; * now, part of my paranoid workflow, I've mounted the card again to make an MD5 sum of all the files; * kaboom! the contents of the `dcim/yyy_` folders can't be read, specifically the `yyy_` folders are seen as invalid file types, thus I can't even list their contents; (below is the error for the sake of completion; previously to that I also received some I/O error, but this was normal for my laptop's card reader;) FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) * unmounted it, and tried it with a card reader (not the camera), in an OS X laptop, the same... * however as Bruce observed, all the photos were readable in the camera; I didn't have enough space to make a full disk image (with `dd`), thus I've decided to do a file system check (`fsck.vfat -f /dev/sdb1`), which recovered some files. I say some files because: * the number does match the number of files I was expecting; * none of the recovered files hashes matches the hashes of the files I actually have; (the card contains photos that have accumulated since last winter;) * visually the photos do look alright; (they are DNG;) Thus I can only conclude that the card reader damaged the card, thus it's not the camera's fault. (Probably this happened to Bruce.) Moreover it seems that the card lock feature is indeed just a hint for the software, and that some readers (hardware or software?) don't care about it, just report it to the upper layer... I also can conclude that the Pentax K-30 camera uses an alternative way to access the file-system, or at least it accepts invalid file-system meta-data without complaining... What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. My card was formated in camera a couple of times, thus I can remove this as a probable cause. Hope it helps someone, Ciprian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Card failure due to (laptop) card reader [Was: Re: K3 card failure]
Thanks for that additional info and your findings, Ciprian. I'm glad to hear that you were able to extract shots from the damaged filesystem. What you suggest about the card reader could be possible I suppose. I was hoping that there might have been a bug in the K-3's firmware that they have quietly fixed with one of the recent updates. Should this happen to me again (so far it's a one-off) I'll fire up a Linux (I've got CentOS in a VMware machine) and try repairing the card FS with that. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm reviving this old thread because something similar happened to me today, similar to what Bruce reported. (Rob's case --- the initial email of the old thread --- is different I guess, because his card wasn't read even by his camera.) Although I didn't loose any photos (I think), I hope this email helps to shed some light into the problem, and help others to solve similar issues. (Hopefully this won't happen to often...) [Below is Bruce's reply to give the context, and then follow my observations.] On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? [...] BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. For me however it was even more strange --- I have a Pentax K-30, SanDisk Extreme 16 GiB: * I've locked the card for read-only; (I always do this for precaution, and as a habit because of OS X, which insists in creating hidden files and folders even when though I just open a disk / card to read it;) * I've put the card in the laptop's card reader; (this was extremely dumb of me, because I know that my card reader has issues due to the Linux driver (or maybe the hardware?); usually I use an external one...) * mounted it in Linux, and successfully copied the files on my laptop; * unmounted it, mounted another card, did the same as above; * now, part of my paranoid workflow, I've mounted the card again to make an MD5 sum of all the files; * kaboom! the contents of the `dcim/yyy_` folders can't be read, specifically the `yyy_` folders are seen as invalid file types, thus I can't even list their contents; (below is the error for the sake of completion; previously to that I also received some I/O error, but this was normal for my laptop's card reader;) FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) * unmounted it, and tried it with a card reader (not the camera), in an OS X laptop, the same... * however as Bruce observed, all the photos were readable in the camera; I didn't have enough space to make a full disk image (with `dd`), thus I've decided to do a file system check (`fsck.vfat -f /dev/sdb1`), which recovered some files. I say some files because: * the number does match the number of files I was expecting; * none of the recovered files hashes matches the hashes of the files I actually have; (the card contains photos that have accumulated since last winter;) * visually the photos do look alright; (they are DNG;) Thus I can only conclude that the card reader damaged the card, thus it's not the camera's fault. (Probably this happened to Bruce.) Moreover it seems that the card lock feature is indeed just a hint for the software, and that some readers (hardware or software?) don't care about it, just report it to the upper layer... I also can conclude that the Pentax K-30 camera uses an alternative way to access the file-system, or at least it accepts invalid file-system meta-data without complaining... What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. My card was formated in camera a couple of times, thus I can remove this as a probable cause. Hope it helps someone, Ciprian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Card failure due to (laptop) card reader [Was: Re: K3 card failure]
I haven't had a problem with corrupt card since updating to the most recent K3 firmware however now there is no guarantee that the #1 card will be written to first which is a pain because I purposefully put the largest and fastest card in that slot whit the #2 slot effectively acting as overflow, Again I always format both cards in camera prior to a big shoot and I format the card in slot #1 then #2. On 31 March 2014 00:58, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that additional info and your findings, Ciprian. I'm glad to hear that you were able to extract shots from the damaged filesystem. What you suggest about the card reader could be possible I suppose. I was hoping that there might have been a bug in the K-3's firmware that they have quietly fixed with one of the recent updates. Should this happen to me again (so far it's a one-off) I'll fire up a Linux (I've got CentOS in a VMware machine) and try repairing the card FS with that. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm reviving this old thread because something similar happened to me today, similar to what Bruce reported. (Rob's case --- the initial email of the old thread --- is different I guess, because his card wasn't read even by his camera.) Although I didn't loose any photos (I think), I hope this email helps to shed some light into the problem, and help others to solve similar issues. (Hopefully this won't happen to often...) [Below is Bruce's reply to give the context, and then follow my observations.] On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? [...] BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. For me however it was even more strange --- I have a Pentax K-30, SanDisk Extreme 16 GiB: * I've locked the card for read-only; (I always do this for precaution, and as a habit because of OS X, which insists in creating hidden files and folders even when though I just open a disk / card to read it;) * I've put the card in the laptop's card reader; (this was extremely dumb of me, because I know that my card reader has issues due to the Linux driver (or maybe the hardware?); usually I use an external one...) * mounted it in Linux, and successfully copied the files on my laptop; * unmounted it, mounted another card, did the same as above; * now, part of my paranoid workflow, I've mounted the card again to make an MD5 sum of all the files; * kaboom! the contents of the `dcim/yyy_` folders can't be read, specifically the `yyy_` folders are seen as invalid file types, thus I can't even list their contents; (below is the error for the sake of completion; previously to that I also received some I/O error, but this was normal for my laptop's card reader;) FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) * unmounted it, and tried it with a card reader (not the camera), in an OS X laptop, the same... * however as Bruce observed, all the photos were readable in the camera; I didn't have enough space to make a full disk image (with `dd`), thus I've decided to do a file system check (`fsck.vfat -f /dev/sdb1`), which recovered some files. I say some files because: * the number does match the number of files I was expecting; * none of the recovered files hashes matches the hashes of the files I actually have; (the card contains photos that have accumulated since last winter;) * visually the photos do look alright; (they are DNG;) Thus I can only conclude that the card reader damaged the card, thus it's not the camera's fault. (Probably this happened to Bruce.) Moreover it seems that the card lock feature is indeed just a hint for the software, and that some readers (hardware or software?) don't care about it, just report it to the upper layer... I also can conclude that the Pentax K-30 camera uses an alternative way to access the file-system, or at least it accepts invalid file-system meta-data without complaining... What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. My card was formated in camera a couple of times, thus I can remove this as a probable cause. Hope it helps someone, Ciprian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from
Re: K3 card failure
What firmware were you using? A dpreview poster claims to have found a bug in 1.02 for the K-3 (a problem that cropped up only after he upgraded). Not the SAME problem as Rob's, but illustrates the point. It is possible that there are other bugs that need to be reported and stamped out for future firmware releases. Rob's problem may be one of them. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
There's always another bug. On 3/8/2014 10:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: What firmware were you using? A dpreview poster claims to have found a bug in 1.02 for the K-3 (a problem that cropped up only after he upgraded). Not the SAME problem as Rob's, but illustrates the point. It is possible that there are other bugs that need to be reported and stamped out for future firmware releases. Rob's problem may be one of them. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
http://steve.savitzky.net/Songs/bugs/ On Sat, Mar 08, 2014, P.J. Alling wrote: There's always another bug. On 3/8/2014 10:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: What firmware were you using? A dpreview poster claims to have found a bug in 1.02 for the K-3 (a problem that cropped up only after he upgraded). Not the SAME problem as Rob's, but illustrates the point. It is possible that there are other bugs that need to be reported and stamped out for future firmware releases. Rob's problem may be one of them. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
Darren, I'm using the original firmware for the K-3. Haven't upgraded anything yet. But will directly as the new 1.4X arrives tomorrow. And John, I've never filled card #2, but doesn't that describe Rob's original complaint. He filled card #1, replaced it, and it didn't transition back when card #2 filled. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: What firmware were you using? A dpreview poster claims to have found a bug in 1.02 for the K-3 (a problem that cropped up only after he upgraded). Not the SAME problem as Rob's, but illustrates the point. It is possible that there are other bugs that need to be reported and stamped out for future firmware releases. Rob's problem may be one of them. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
That's what I'm trying to find out. Maybe I misread, but I thought he was expecting it to switch back to card #1 immediately as soon as he installed the new card in the #1 slot. The manual says When the memory card in SD1 slot becomes full, data is saved to the card in SD2. If it says anything about switching back to SD1 if you put a new card in that slot, I didn't find it. On 3/8/2014 2:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Darren, I'm using the original firmware for the K-3. Haven't upgraded anything yet. But will directly as the new 1.4X arrives tomorrow. And John, I've never filled card #2, but doesn't that describe Rob's original complaint. He filled card #1, replaced it, and it didn't transition back when card #2 filled. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: What firmware were you using? A dpreview poster claims to have found a bug in 1.02 for the K-3 (a problem that cropped up only after he upgraded). Not the SAME problem as Rob's, but illustrates the point. It is possible that there are other bugs that need to be reported and stamped out for future firmware releases. Rob's problem may be one of them. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
On 08/03/2014 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Darren, I'm using the original firmware for the K-3. Haven't upgraded anything yet. But will directly as the new 1.4X arrives tomorrow. And John, I've never filled card #2, but doesn't that describe Rob's original complaint. He filled card #1, replaced it, and it didn't transition back when card #2 filled. That seems to be normal behaviour with the K3. When you set it to sequential, it takes you at your word. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com wrote: Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: d...@alphoto.com Technical details of permanent failure: DNS Error: DNS server returned general failure - Original message - DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q/AgnNKmws2Br6/QwRsfS/riJ2mAnHQnSHKHDvEEFmM=; b=fefHW79nm4we0okRCZzwi6fz0D0TfozQ9dOhIygvpKxDviZsYsczk0y719AXHrS+rW APGjy37qzlWRq4d7ra//P9g/1E7NtBUo3NcwX/bd2CcCmPkiZkGz+kpcTpMg1pHgJ0fg VDZi4/VgaMIq7bMuN/FrPzb1u7Nl60CtbxzNyPxiVxfOdIh5FWMfSIJtadQsWr78mIvt 0mkakk5/h2vZ/Lr1V7DZxKXpdYQTf8yVfOEPCsbOuCDk2bC8sQXYQekZGZCHW40k/GAw LepvhFnzwkk2LJWfvTRxjWjkLL5HKolX1QAhwmpuSpWoBv5dGkCnC2gbHk9ucmT2Xzut Mkpw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.189.68 with SMTP id gg4mr23739965lbc.18.1393903550556; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.47.136 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:25:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: caodncb1wgpt19saxy6j5j8rpksqyf4nj0zmswk7mqengsyk...@mail.gmail.com References: cad8aed4rushwnsxtb-n_7ecsx+z9rouncqfcrresuguwjd0...@mail.gmail.com cajuu0cchmq8i-3m74uebsq0epzpjhtfvsnsej6-lyx4j_ea...@mail.gmail.com CAEQABGTFG-kn8HrNGgxr3B==sf_6WnX=2ojd4uhotb1wc+2...@mail.gmail.com cad8aed7dq+lyhfic5vmcosfvnw4o3kwdrqxheqrjcu82qtx...@mail.gmail.com 1443d09e-59ee-43ce-94a3-62c853fc5...@stans-photography.info CAD8AEd5H4+wO8BVH19_UcynqtdLjD7RvxkzEY1MJn=4rqmx...@mail.gmail.com caodncb1wgpt19saxy6j5j8rpksqyf4nj0zmswk7mqengsyk...@mail.gmail.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:25:50 -0600 Message-ID: CAOdNCb0rT1pemBkunkr_n=ma9zymio_c73n_jckfaueu0dl...@mail.gmail.com Subject: Fwd: K3 card failure From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36858fb6fe304f3bf7513 Doug, see the PS at the end. Nothing I do is getting thru. I used to get an acknowledgement from the list, but that seemed to stop a few days ago. Without the acknowledgement post, I couldn't get the pdml to work before. Any suggestions? I get the same response subscribing at my old rfsi...@aol.com list. Bob -- Forwarded message -- From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:20 PM Subject: Re: K3 card failure To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Rob, You sure the K-3 isn't going Card1 - Card2 with no rollover back to Card1??? I filled Card1 in San Diego, rolled to Card2 then replaced it with a new one. I experienced some difficulties getting it to go back and use Card1... as if it sensed Card1 slot was emply and it needed slot2. But when I refilled slot1, I had to go back to the menu to get it to put photos there. Regards, Bob S. PS and I'm having a terrible time ending to the list. Everything that Google Chrome gets back from the pdml emails has a fancy format attachment at the end. When I delete all that, I still can't get thru. Frustrating! D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
I wouldn't expect it to switch back immediately when card #1 was replaced, but if you replace #1 with an empty card, will it switch back to card #1 when card #2 gets full? On 3/7/2014 11:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So I'm trying this again from gmail, hopefully it will be in Plain text mode. I experienced some unexpected card slot behavior in San Diego. I filled the 1st card and automatically moved to #2. Then I took #1 card out and downloaded it to the laptop. Card #2 took over, but when I replaced card #1, it stayed on #2. I had to fiddle with the menu settings to get it back to #1. I suspect the software transitions from #1 to #2, but has trouble going back to #1 automagically. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014, Alan C wrote: Is there really any difference between pre-formatted, computer formatted or camera formatted cards? As I posted a few weeks ago, I rented a Panasonic GX7 that was acting flaky until I reformatted the card in the camera. Maybe reformatting on the computer would have worked. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/14, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: I always use a format to clear the card after dumping the images onto my computer. Always! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a problem with a 4GB SanDisk SDHC card in the K7. I could see the images just fine in camera (in the K110D too) but couldn't download via USB or a card reader. I eventually recovered the 93 images with a Win7 recovery routine but it took over an hour and the files were renumbered from 001 to 093. I could not reformat the card so I binned it. Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I definitely make a point of it _now_. Seems to be the recommended procedure from people who have been burned before. ;-) On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 3, 2014, at 06:17 , Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: I had a problem with a 4GB SanDisk SDHC card in the K7. I could see the images just fine in camera (in the K110D too) but couldn't download via USB or a card reader. I eventually recovered the 93 images with a Win7 recovery routine but it took over an hour and the files were renumbered from 001 to 093. I could not reformat the card so I binned it. Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. I always use a format to clear the card after dumping the images onto my computer. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd go ahead and shoot them full in the manner you need them to work just to test them out make sure it's going to work before you *NEED* them. IF there's a problem with the camera or the cards are messed up, better to find out on throw-away subjects beforehand. On 3/3/2014 6:56 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know if you NEED to reformat, but it's the quickest surest way I've found for erasing old images from cards getting them ready for next use. On 3/3/2014 7:17 AM, Alan C wrote: I had a problem with a 4GB SanDisk SDHC card in the K7. I could see the images just fine in camera (in the K110D too) but couldn't download via USB or a card reader. I eventually recovered the 93 images with a Win7 recovery routine but it took over an hour and the files were renumbered from 001 to 093. I could not reformat the card so I binned it. Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use only 4GB cards store them when full as an extra backup so I actually don't need to erase and/or re-format. Is there really any difference between pre-formatted, computer formatted or camera formatted cards? Alan C -Original Message- From: John Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I don't know if you NEED to reformat, but it's the quickest surest way I've found for erasing old images from cards getting them ready for next use. On 3/3/2014 7:17 AM, Alan C wrote: I had a problem with a 4GB SanDisk SDHC card in the K7. I could see the images just fine in camera (in the K110D too) but couldn't download via USB or a card reader. I eventually recovered the 93 images with a Win7 recovery routine but it took over an hour and the files were renumbered from 001 to 093. I could not reformat the card so I binned it. Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've always done it. I think when I first started with digital cameras I read somewhere that the relevant standards are open to different interpretations, so it's wise to maximise the chances by formatting with camera you will shoot with. I've been in IT (standards? We gottem!) long enough for that to make some kind of warped sense. The only time I ever had problems with a card was when I was shooting the procession of the Crown of Thorns in Notre Dame, Paris. I treat that incident as an act of God, not taking kindly to cynical atheists. B On 3 Mar 2014, at 13:18, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely make a point of it _now_. Seems to be the recommended procedure from people who have been burned before. ;-) On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had an interesting card-glitch today though nothing as costly and dramatic as yours Rob. Evenings while traveling I download from cards to my laptop, with a copy via Lightroom to an external drive. For this trip I had thought that I would NOT format the cards, but just leave the shots to accumulate; after all, my total for a couple of weeks is seldom more than 60-70 Gb, and with two cameras, four 32Gb cards I figured I would have no issue. Last night, as I approached capacity on card #1 in body #1, I changed my mind. After downloading from both bodies, I formatted the cards in slots 1 and 2 on both bodies. So today I did a bunch of shooting. Downloaded images from card #1 in body #1, but found nothing on card #1, body #2. Huh? I know I used body #2 at least some of the time! For some odd reason that has no apparent meaning for me, body #2 wrote only to card #2, bypassing the perfectly good card in slot #1. Nothing lost, but those images just not where I had expected them to be. stan On Mar 2, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Thanks guys, still coming to terms with the issue. The cards were all genuine Sandisk, Extreme 32GB 45MB/s, one new and one old and an earlier Extreme 32GB 30MB/s card, none of which ever gave me the remotest hint of a problem when used in two K5 bodies. Not happy. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 11:44, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to hear of your difficulties, Rob. May I ask what brand the cards are? As you may know SanDisk offers a recovery software. In addition to that, there are these: http://download.cnet.com/SDHC-Card-Recovery-Pro/3000-2248_4-75904835.html http://sd-card-format-recovery.soft112.com/ http://www.reclaime.com/library/memory-card-recovery.aspx No personal experience with any of them. Good luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry to hear this, Rob. I wonder if you are seeing a similar issue to what I saw very early on. I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. After reformating (in-camera) that card and another of the same type that I purchased later I have not had any further problems after thousands of frames taken. After this incident I did switch the K-3 to dual (ie redundant) write mode and I always have two cards inserted. I wasn't going to take any more chances. :-( BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. Something I never tried doing was to mount the card under Windows and use format repair utilities on it. I regret failing to try that but it didn't occur to me at the time. I hope you have better luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm just about toast if my card recovery doesn't go well, I shot a show last night, a fairly important one in fact and of three card used in the K3 only one is readable. The one card is a month or two old and the others I have had for a while and operated without a problem. All cards were formatted in camera before the gig so should be error free. I have the K3 set up to cascade from card 1 to 2 and when card two was full I replaced card 1 with an empty card and that's the only one that I can read. All 32 GB cards so 64GB of images are lost in the ether currently, feeling a bit ill and somewhat less than complimentary about the reliability of the K3 :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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Quoting Alan C c...@lantic.net: I use only 4GB cards store them when full as an extra backup so I actually don't need to erase and/or re-format. Is there really any difference between pre-formatted, computer formatted or camera formatted cards? For what it's worth, I'll repeat the info I posted a few months ago. I don't know if it makes any practical difference but the SD Association (they maintain the SD Card standards) suggest that you can get better performance from cards using the SD Formatter 4.0 software for SD/SDHC/SDXC cards. It's a free download for Windows Mac. https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/2014 1:57 PM, Alan C wrote: I use only 4GB cards store them when full as an extra backup so I actually don't need to erase and/or re-format. Is there really any difference between pre-formatted, computer formatted or camera formatted cards? Alan C I don't know if there's any difference. I did once have a problem where the camera wouldn't read/write a card that was formatted on the computer until I reformatted it in the camera. I use 4GB cards for my K10D and 8GB cards for my K20D. I have 10 of each so that I don't have to erase images while traveling (although I do back them up to a laptop an external drive), but if I never erased the photos from the cards I would eventually be overwhelmed with keeping track of the cards. Since I do erase from the cards, I've found formatting cards in the camera to be the most convenient workflow for me. When I'm shooting around town, I have one card in the battery grip one in the camera. I can swap them if I fill one of them up. When I get home, I download the photos and then reformat the cards in the camera. -Original Message- From: John Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I don't know if you NEED to reformat, but it's the quickest surest way I've found for erasing old images from cards getting them ready for next use. On 3/3/2014 7:17 AM, Alan C wrote: I had a problem with a 4GB SanDisk SDHC card in the K7. I could see the images just fine in camera (in the K110D too) but couldn't download via USB or a card reader. I eventually recovered the 93 images with a Win7 recovery routine but it took over an hour and the files were renumbered from 001 to 093. I could not reformat the card so I binned it. Does one really need to reformat cards in-camera? I have never done that - I just use them as purchased. Alan C -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K3 card failure I should add that I have subsequently deep formatted all my cards in a computer then formatted them in camera, hopefully I won't get a re-run, crossing fingers. On 3 March 2014 22:53, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: After analyzing all the cards fairly thoroughly it appears that the card in slot 1 wasn't written to at all in that session and the card in slot 2 was written to but became corrupt through the shoot. The spare card in the grip was already previously formatted (in the same camera but earlier) and worked fine. I don't check much during a shoot, just a little chimping at the outset to ensure that I'm not clipping highlights. I have the rear screen turned off and the top screen illumination controlled by the RAW button, so I don't keep an eagle eye on the top panel, I did just expect it to work stupidly. It was dire lighting last night too, I shot the whole show at ISO8000 with the lenses open to f2.8 and barely made 1/100s for the most part, reasonable results IMO considering the lighting but as good as perfect for what was needed by the producers. So all good in the end, had me more than a little stressed though as it was a cornerstone shoot. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 13:31, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK, that's interesting because when I have replaced the slot 1 card without the slot 2 card being at capacity the subsequent shots started to accumulate immediately on the first card again as far as I can recall. On 4 March 2014 07:34, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I had an interesting card-glitch today though nothing as costly and dramatic as yours Rob. Evenings while traveling I download from cards to my laptop, with a copy via Lightroom to an external drive. For this trip I had thought that I would NOT format the cards, but just leave the shots to accumulate; after all, my total for a couple of weeks is seldom more than 60-70 Gb, and with two cameras, four 32Gb cards I figured I would have no issue. Last night, as I approached capacity on card #1 in body #1, I changed my mind. After downloading from both bodies, I formatted the cards in slots 1 and 2 on both bodies. So today I did a bunch of shooting. Downloaded images from card #1 in body #1, but found nothing on card #1, body #2. Huh? I know I used body #2 at least some of the time! For some odd reason that has no apparent meaning for me, body #2 wrote only to card #2, bypassing the perfectly good card in slot #1. Nothing lost, but those images just not where I had expected them to be. stan On Mar 2, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Thanks guys, still coming to terms with the issue. The cards were all genuine Sandisk, Extreme 32GB 45MB/s, one new and one old and an earlier Extreme 32GB 30MB/s card, none of which ever gave me the remotest hint of a problem when used in two K5 bodies. Not happy. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 11:44, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to hear of your difficulties, Rob. May I ask what brand the cards are? As you may know SanDisk offers a recovery software. In addition to that, there are these: http://download.cnet.com/SDHC-Card-Recovery-Pro/3000-2248_4-75904835.html http://sd-card-format-recovery.soft112.com/ http://www.reclaime.com/library/memory-card-recovery.aspx No personal experience with any of them. Good luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry to hear this, Rob. I wonder if you are seeing a similar issue to what I saw very early on. I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. After reformating (in-camera) that card and another of the same type that I purchased later I have not had any further problems after thousands of frames taken. After this incident I did switch the K-3 to dual (ie redundant) write mode and I always have two cards inserted. I wasn't going to take any more chances. :-( BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. Something I never tried doing was to mount the card under Windows and use format repair utilities on it. I regret failing to try that but it didn't occur to me at the time. I hope you have better luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm just about toast if my card recovery doesn't go well, I shot a show last night, a fairly important one in fact and of three card used in the K3 only one is readable. The one card is a month or two old and the others I have had for a while and operated without a problem. All cards were formatted in camera before the gig so should be error free. I have the K3 set up to cascade from card 1 to 2 and when card two was full I replaced card 1 with an empty card and that's the only one that I can read. All 32 GB cards so 64GB of images are lost in the ether currently, feeling a bit ill and somewhat less than complimentary about the reliability of the K3 :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE
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I'm very sorry to hear this, Rob. I wonder if you are seeing a similar issue to what I saw very early on. I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. After reformating (in-camera) that card and another of the same type that I purchased later I have not had any further problems after thousands of frames taken. After this incident I did switch the K-3 to dual (ie redundant) write mode and I always have two cards inserted. I wasn't going to take any more chances. :-( BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. Something I never tried doing was to mount the card under Windows and use format repair utilities on it. I regret failing to try that but it didn't occur to me at the time. I hope you have better luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm just about toast if my card recovery doesn't go well, I shot a show last night, a fairly important one in fact and of three card used in the K3 only one is readable. The one card is a month or two old and the others I have had for a while and operated without a problem. All cards were formatted in camera before the gig so should be error free. I have the K3 set up to cascade from card 1 to 2 and when card two was full I replaced card 1 with an empty card and that's the only one that I can read. All 32 GB cards so 64GB of images are lost in the ether currently, feeling a bit ill and somewhat less than complimentary about the reliability of the K3 :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry to hear of your difficulties, Rob. May I ask what brand the cards are? As you may know SanDisk offers a recovery software. In addition to that, there are these: http://download.cnet.com/SDHC-Card-Recovery-Pro/3000-2248_4-75904835.html http://sd-card-format-recovery.soft112.com/ http://www.reclaime.com/library/memory-card-recovery.aspx No personal experience with any of them. Good luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry to hear this, Rob. I wonder if you are seeing a similar issue to what I saw very early on. I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. After reformating (in-camera) that card and another of the same type that I purchased later I have not had any further problems after thousands of frames taken. After this incident I did switch the K-3 to dual (ie redundant) write mode and I always have two cards inserted. I wasn't going to take any more chances. :-( BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. Something I never tried doing was to mount the card under Windows and use format repair utilities on it. I regret failing to try that but it didn't occur to me at the time. I hope you have better luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm just about toast if my card recovery doesn't go well, I shot a show last night, a fairly important one in fact and of three card used in the K3 only one is readable. The one card is a month or two old and the others I have had for a while and operated without a problem. All cards were formatted in camera before the gig so should be error free. I have the K3 set up to cascade from card 1 to 2 and when card two was full I replaced card 1 with an empty card and that's the only one that I can read. All 32 GB cards so 64GB of images are lost in the ether currently, feeling a bit ill and somewhat less than complimentary about the reliability of the K3 :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks guys, still coming to terms with the issue. The cards were all genuine Sandisk, Extreme 32GB 45MB/s, one new and one old and an earlier Extreme 32GB 30MB/s card, none of which ever gave me the remotest hint of a problem when used in two K5 bodies. Not happy. Cheers, On 3 March 2014 11:44, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to hear of your difficulties, Rob. May I ask what brand the cards are? As you may know SanDisk offers a recovery software. In addition to that, there are these: http://download.cnet.com/SDHC-Card-Recovery-Pro/3000-2248_4-75904835.html http://sd-card-format-recovery.soft112.com/ http://www.reclaime.com/library/memory-card-recovery.aspx No personal experience with any of them. Good luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry to hear this, Rob. I wonder if you are seeing a similar issue to what I saw very early on. I shot some stuff and returning home I couldn't unload my card because it couldn't be read in my Mac. The Mac unmounted the card shortly after insertion saying it had damaged formating. And I couldn't convince the Disk Utility to repair it either. Can you see the card content when inserted into the K-3? What I determined was that I had failed to reformat the SD card immediately after purchase. After reformating (in-camera) that card and another of the same type that I purchased later I have not had any further problems after thousands of frames taken. After this incident I did switch the K-3 to dual (ie redundant) write mode and I always have two cards inserted. I wasn't going to take any more chances. :-( BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. Something I never tried doing was to mount the card under Windows and use format repair utilities on it. I regret failing to try that but it didn't occur to me at the time. I hope you have better luck. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm just about toast if my card recovery doesn't go well, I shot a show last night, a fairly important one in fact and of three card used in the K3 only one is readable. The one card is a month or two old and the others I have had for a while and operated without a problem. All cards were formatted in camera before the gig so should be error free. I have the K3 set up to cascade from card 1 to 2 and when card two was full I replaced card 1 with an empty card and that's the only one that I can read. All 32 GB cards so 64GB of images are lost in the ether currently, feeling a bit ill and somewhat less than complimentary about the reliability of the K3 :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K3 card failure
On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? I'm not even aware of that capability. I never muck about with shots in-camera. Would have been worth trying if I could coerce the camera to copy the file from the bad card to a 2nd one. But if it only writes back to the same card this wouldn't have helped as the Mac refused to have anything to do with the card at all. Which itself is unusual as repairing damaged formating has always been supported for USB sticks and floppies, etc. Rob, you should try this processing trick if it can be done. Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? I'm not even aware of that capability. I never muck about with shots in-camera. Would have been worth trying if I could coerce the camera to copy the file from the bad card to a 2nd one. But if it only writes back to the same card this wouldn't have helped as the Mac refused to have anything to do with the card at all. Which itself is unusual as repairing damaged formating has always been supported for USB sticks and floppies, etc. Rob, you should try this processing trick if it can be done. Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/2/2014 8:53 PM, Bill wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? I'm not even aware of that capability. I never muck about with shots in-camera. Would have been worth trying if I could coerce the camera to copy the file from the bad card to a 2nd one. But if it only writes back to the same card this wouldn't have helped as the Mac refused to have anything to do with the card at all. Which itself is unusual as repairing damaged formating has always been supported for USB sticks and floppies, etc. Rob, you should try this processing trick if it can be done. Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? bill Does the value justify use of data recovery service? Otis -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Camera couldn't read them either, I have a third card in the grip so I change out card #1 when they are both full. On 3 March 2014 12:20, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I should add I have yet to need a fourth 32GB card for one camera in a two camera shoot (the other camera also contains a Sandisk 32GB 45MB/s card). On 3 March 2014 13:20, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Camera couldn't read them either, I have a third card in the grip so I change out card #1 when they are both full. On 3 March 2014 12:20, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 6:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: BTW, sadly I lost the content of that damaged formating card. I could see the images when the card was in the K-3 but nothing I did allowed me to extract that data, even over a USB cable. I was sorely pissed off. If the camera could read them, did you try to process the files in camera and have it write to new files which might be usable?? Also, would it be better to replace both cards at the same time rather than just one? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 7:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I only had a single brand new SanDisk 32Gig 45mb/s Extreme (like Rob's) to start with, which is the one that experienced this problem. I bought a second identical one, formatted both in camera, and have been using them together without a hitch since. I wasn't about to toss the card considering the price and that it was likely only a soft formatting issue of some kind. But by enabling dual-write I figured I was safe to continue going to see what would happen. The other dumb question, of course, is can the files be transferred by plugging the camera directly into a computer? I tried that. The Mac saw the exact same bad format and did the same unmount fail. To the computer, the K-3 on a USB cable is simply a card reader. Sadly. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
