Re: Live and Learn #2
From: Larry Colen On 2/24/2012 11:28 AM, steve harley wrote: on 2/24/12 7:02 AMCollin Brendemuehl wrote http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix1.jpg http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix2.jpg First step -- a way to seal out the problem. I like doing it on the cheap -- so just a used Ziploc bag. Cut a hole for the lenses. AF precludes me having to touch them again. i'd think you'd need to manual focus for the kinds of shots you are doing; maybe you could put a small filter wrench around the focus ring and just touch that ... A zip-tie would probably be cheaper. Use a zip-tie to hold the filter wrench on the focus ring. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
From: Anthony Farr When I first read this thread I thought, Why can't those lazy sods at Collin's workplace wash the parts before sending them to the studio? Then it occurred to me that they need to see the parts in their straight out of the (gear) box condition. So then I thought, What's Collin's problem, then? Sometimes photography needs to be done under difficult circumstances. Your grimy studio subjects are small beer compared to the shower of RPGs that the poor reporter and photojournalist bought in Syria the other day. Whether it's extreme heat, cold, dust or danger, how you deal with it separates the professionals from the wannabees. If you know that you need latex gloves then you should wear them, no arguments. Sure you can wash your hands after they get oily, but you should consider that these oils are as bad for your skin as they are for your cameras' innards. One of my favourite motoring programs is Wheeler Dealers shown on DIscover Turbo channel (Velocity channel in USA). The resident mechanic on that show, Edd China, never ever touches any mechanical part of a car without protective gloves. It's a good example to follow. But if you're still reluctant to pull on gloves because they're a hassle you might try using silicon oven mitts like these: http://www.gourmetlifestyle.co.nz/Silicone%20Pot%20Mits.JPG They slip on easily and aren't too clumsy. regards, Anthony ?? Of what use is lens and light ? ? to those who lack in mind and sight ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? (Anon) On 24 February 2012 10:24, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: You could probably do a bit with ziplock bags, clear packing tape, screen protectors or some variation of the above. I'd also recommend picking up an IR shutter release, and maybe some latex gloves for when you're handling parts. I have the IR release. ?It has been quite helpful. ?Latex gloves would be too much or a hassle, though they are available. I'm still leaning towards some hand cleaner and paper towels. ?It seems simplest. Sincerely, If I understand the problem, handling the greasy parts and then trying to use the camera is transferring transmission fluid other lubricants to the camera. Wearing the gloves whenever he's handling the parts is probably a good idea as far as protecting Collin from the effects of chemical contact, but I think hand cleaner and paper towels might be exactly what he needs to do the trick for keeping the chemicals from transferring from his hands to the camera. I'd consider putting the camera inside one of those disposable plastic rain sleeves. http://optechusa.com/rainsleeve.html I just ran a quick test with the K20D the IR remote works through the plastic sleeve. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
From: David Mann On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Anthony Farr wrote: If you know that you need latex gloves then you should wear them, no arguments. For your own skin I'd agree but bear in mind that they won't help the camera unless you keep taking the gloves off to handle the camera. I'd be tempted to put a plastic bag over the camera with the lens poking through but it'd be a real pain to operate the thumbwheels that way. Assuming the bag is made of a plastic that's impervious to the substances involved... I believe he's shooting a fixed table-top setup where he has constant light, the only variable being the part that's in the frame. By now he's probably got the exposure pretty much dialed in and doesn't require a lot of manipulation of the thumb-wheels. If the bag's clear plastic, he can use the IR remote to trip the shutter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Have you considered PK_Tether? I haven't tried it myself (no need). I understand it may have some bugs: http://www.pktether.com/ Hadn't heard of it before. Neat. (I need to write one myself!) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On 24 February 2012 22:31, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: If I understand the problem, handling the greasy parts and then trying to use the camera is transferring transmission fluid other lubricants to the camera. Wearing the gloves whenever he's handling the parts is probably a good idea as far as protecting Collin from the effects of chemical contact, but I think hand cleaner and paper towels might be exactly what he needs to do the trick for keeping the chemicals from transferring from his hands to the camera. If Collin was to handle the oily parts with some kind of hand protection, then he won't need frequent hand washing. Gloves/mitts ~and~ handwashing is rather a belt braces solution to the problem. Only one precaution should be needed, but I stand by my opinion that he shouldn't repeatedly expose his hands to transmission fluid even if he washes up every time. I wonder what his situation is with backgrounds. Is he scrapping a measure of paper for every setup, or is he using polycarbonate that needs a cleanup every time? Collin? regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and Learn #2
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix1.jpg http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix2.jpg I was going to suggest one of these: http://www.dicapacusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WPS10 But your solution looks even more affordable :) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:33 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: You need an assistant. Then you'd be a proper photographer. If the K-r is black, he is already a Pro. Dave -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
Based on my 17 years of automotive forensics, I'd have to say the issue is more a case of operator procedure than a function of the particular camera used. I did hundreds of vehicle component inspections disassemblies, involving every fluid used in a modern automotive vehicle - cars light trucks, and never had an issue such as you describe - this included the Pentax SF1, PZ! PZ1p. I was well aware of the effect DEET had on camera bodies and took the extra effort to make sure my hands were as free of these fluids as I could - especially my shutter hand. This translated into using gloves and hand cleaners often during my inspections. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net Subject: Live and learn Looks like my choice of the K-r for a commercial environment was not well-considered. Initially I was going to be shooting cleaned parts. But as time has gone on the situation has changed. Now I'm handling parts that are still covered in tranny fluid. And that has migrated to the camera. A major frustration. Some contamination has occurred -- probably transfer from my thumb to the camera controls. The wheel/dial now goes only up, never down, in value. So tomorrow it is going off to Pentax for (warranty) service. In the mean time I'm going to dig up a K-5 (with extended warranty) for the main body and relegate the K-r to backup status. I wish all camera functions could be controlled remotely, on a keypad built for a harsh environment. Might be a great commercial solution ... Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Live and Learn #2
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Collin Brendemuehl But I am going to look into tethering. Have a word with Larry... B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and Learn #2
on 2/24/12 7:02 AMCollin Brendemuehl wrote http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix1.jpg http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix2.jpg First step -- a way to seal out the problem. I like doing it on the cheap -- so just a used Ziploc bag. Cut a hole for the lenses. AF precludes me having to touch them again. i'd think you'd need to manual focus for the kinds of shots you are doing; maybe you could put a small filter wrench around the focus ring and just touch that ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and Learn #2
On 2/24/2012 11:28 AM, steve harley wrote: on 2/24/12 7:02 AMCollin Brendemuehl wrote http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix1.jpg http://brendemuehl.net/images/fix2.jpg First step -- a way to seal out the problem. I like doing it on the cheap -- so just a used Ziploc bag. Cut a hole for the lenses. AF precludes me having to touch them again. i'd think you'd need to manual focus for the kinds of shots you are doing; maybe you could put a small filter wrench around the focus ring and just touch that ... A zip-tie would probably be cheaper. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
I'm not even sure a K5 would survive. I don't think weather sealing if aimed at hydrocarbon based compounds which can react with plastic or rubber components. Maybe an assistant to handle the parts while you handle the camera would work better. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Looks like my choice of the K-r for a commercial environment was not well-considered. Initially I was going to be shooting cleaned parts. But as time has gone on the situation has changed. Now I'm handling parts that are still covered in tranny fluid. And that has migrated to the camera. A major frustration. Some contamination has occurred -- probably transfer from my thumb to the camera controls. The wheel/dial now goes only up, never down, in value. So tomorrow it is going off to Pentax for (warranty) service. In the mean time I'm going to dig up a K-5 (with extended warranty) for the main body and relegate the K-r to backup status. I wish all camera functions could be controlled remotely, on a keypad built for a harsh environment. Might be a great commercial solution ... Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
I'm not even sure a K5 would survive. I don't think weather sealing if aimed at hydrocarbon based compounds which can react with plastic or rubber components. Maybe an assistant to handle the parts while you handle the camera would work better. Pentax did speak in terms of the camera handling a fluid environment as well as dust issues. But still, I think I'm going to ask for hand cleaner towels in my studio. It's cheaper than constantly repairing cameras. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Pentax did speak in terms of the camera handling a fluid environment as well as dust issues. But still, I think I'm going to ask for hand cleaner towels in my studio. It's cheaper than constantly repairing cameras. Add a per-job surcharge for shop supplies. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On 2/23/2012 4:50 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I'm not even sure a K5 would survive. I don't think weather sealing if aimed at hydrocarbon based compounds which can react with plastic or rubber components. Maybe an assistant to handle the parts while you handle the camera would work better. Pentax did speak in terms of the camera handling a fluid environment as well as dust issues. But still, I think I'm going to ask for hand cleaner towels in my studio. It's cheaper than constantly repairing cameras. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott Maybe you can talk them into getting you one of these babies: http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/parts-washers.html They're always handy. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Looks like my choice of the K-r for a commercial environment was not well-considered. Initially I was going to be shooting cleaned parts. But as time has gone on the situation has changed. Now I'm handling parts that are still covered in tranny fluid. And that has migrated to the camera. A major frustration. Some contamination has occurred -- probably transfer from my thumb to the camera controls. The wheel/dial now goes only up, never down, in value. So tomorrow it is going off to Pentax for (warranty) service. In the mean time I'm going to dig up a K-5 (with extended warranty) for the main body and relegate the K-r to backup status. I wish all camera functions could be controlled remotely, on a keypad built for a harsh environment. Might be a great commercial solution ... You could probably do a bit with ziplock bags, clear packing tape, screen protectors or some variation of the above. I'd also recommend picking up an IR shutter release, and maybe some latex gloves for when you're handling parts. What's the difference between a Surgeon and a mechanic? The surgeon washes his hands *after* he pees. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
You could probably do a bit with ziplock bags, clear packing tape, screen protectors or some variation of the above. I'd also recommend picking up an IR shutter release, and maybe some latex gloves for when you're handling parts. I have the IR release. It has been quite helpful. Latex gloves would be too much or a hassle, though they are available. I'm still leaning towards some hand cleaner and paper towels. It seems simplest. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
Quoting Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net: I wish all camera functions could be controlled remotely, on a keypad built for a harsh environment. Might be a great commercial solution Have you considered PK_Tether? I haven't tried it myself (no need). I understand it may have some bugs: http://www.pktether.com/ -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
Maybe a box full of those disposable super-thin plastic gloves is what you want? -T On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Looks like my choice of the K-r for a commercial environment was not well-considered. Initially I was going to be shooting cleaned parts. But as time has gone on the situation has changed. Now I'm handling parts that are still covered in tranny fluid. And that has migrated to the camera. A major frustration. Some contamination has occurred -- probably transfer from my thumb to the camera controls. The wheel/dial now goes only up, never down, in value. So tomorrow it is going off to Pentax for (warranty) service. In the mean time I'm going to dig up a K-5 (with extended warranty) for the main body and relegate the K-r to backup status. I wish all camera functions could be controlled remotely, on a keypad built for a harsh environment. Might be a great commercial solution ... Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
When I first read this thread I thought, Why can't those lazy sods at Collin's workplace wash the parts before sending them to the studio? Then it occurred to me that they need to see the parts in their straight out of the (gear) box condition. So then I thought, What's Collin's problem, then? Sometimes photography needs to be done under difficult circumstances. Your grimy studio subjects are small beer compared to the shower of RPGs that the poor reporter and photojournalist bought in Syria the other day. Whether it's extreme heat, cold, dust or danger, how you deal with it separates the professionals from the wannabees. If you know that you need latex gloves then you should wear them, no arguments. Sure you can wash your hands after they get oily, but you should consider that these oils are as bad for your skin as they are for your cameras' innards. One of my favourite motoring programs is Wheeler Dealers shown on DIscover Turbo channel (Velocity channel in USA). The resident mechanic on that show, Edd China, never ever touches any mechanical part of a car without protective gloves. It's a good example to follow. But if you're still reluctant to pull on gloves because they're a hassle you might try using silicon oven mitts like these: http://www.gourmetlifestyle.co.nz/Silicone%20Pot%20Mits.JPG They slip on easily and aren't too clumsy. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) On 24 February 2012 10:24, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: You could probably do a bit with ziplock bags, clear packing tape, screen protectors or some variation of the above. I'd also recommend picking up an IR shutter release, and maybe some latex gloves for when you're handling parts. I have the IR release. It has been quite helpful. Latex gloves would be too much or a hassle, though they are available. I'm still leaning towards some hand cleaner and paper towels. It seems simplest. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Anthony Farr wrote: If you know that you need latex gloves then you should wear them, no arguments. For your own skin I'd agree but bear in mind that they won't help the camera unless you keep taking the gloves off to handle the camera. I'd be tempted to put a plastic bag over the camera with the lens poking through but it'd be a real pain to operate the thumbwheels that way. Assuming the bag is made of a plastic that's impervious to the substances involved... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
On 24 February 2012 17:04, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: For your own skin I'd agree but bear in mind that they won't help the camera unless you keep taking the gloves off to handle the camera. That's what I meant. Clean bare hands for the camera, gloved hands or silicon pot mitts, for the oily cogs and sprockets. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Live and learn
You need an assistant. Then you'd be a proper photographer. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, OK, as long as it was a lovely assistant. -T On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:33 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: You need an assistant. Then you'd be a proper photographer. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
