Re: OT: DSLR video
From: Cotty On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a little concerned about his focus accuracy with that rig. His HD screen was very good, and since we were dealing with room interiors, he shot mostly with wides, including some with a 17mm fisheye (which is almost rectilinear on an APS camera), so he should have plenty of DOF. The fact that he does sports work makes me believe he can pull focus when he has to, but I won't be happy until I see his results. Absolutely no room for error with focus on HD. There are some very effective focus assistance tools (peaking etc) on proper video rigs but a shaded and contrasty viewfinder is essential on any camera in bright ambient light. The guy giving the lecture I attended said they used a Canon 7D modified to take PL mount lenses and an external video monitor where focus was really critical. I also found out from another source that Zeiss now offers their CP.2 Cine lenses in Canon EF mount so you wouldn't have to modify the camera. What I understood from the lecture is the real advantage to the DSLR video was using the 5D with its full frame 135-format sensor to get a film like quality to the captured video in a rig that was so portable they could do things they never could do before with the real big rigs; mainly because they could now get into places they never could fit the big rig. I don't think DSLR video is going away, I think the pros are going to get a dedicated box that has the 5D sensor but won't have the un-needed pentaprism housing, and will have the capability of simultaneously outputting to the LCD on the back and to external video monitors/recorders/whatever. That was what he said was the main drawback. They couldn't use live view at the same time they were using external monitors. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3492 - Release Date: 03/08/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On 4/3/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I sort of think the whole DSLR video is going to be a passing fad. Agree, but now that video is part of the design, it won't disappear. It'll still be there, and in some ways that's not bad as it represents a cost-effective way to get into video. More serious users will then move onto something more suitable. The reason I think that is you don't need the SLR viewfinder, and in fact can't use the viewfinder, when you're shooting video. So why would you need the mirror pentaprism and all the other machinery that puts the 'R' in single lens reflex? Why wouldn't the manufacturers eliminate them to lower the cost and beat the competition on price? I expect we'll see divergence into a slightly more specialized video equipment; it'll be a modular box with the sensor, lens mount, LCD and connections to output the video. In actual fact, certainly in the professional market, it's always been like that. From the days of film right through to now. When I bought my video camera, the only integrated part was the 'camera head' (the front end with chips and electronics) and the recording media section (the back end in this case DVCam digital tape mechanism). It came with a standard viewfinder which is connected by a mount and a power lead to the camera head. In fact I upgraded to a much better viewfinder and ditched the standard one altogether. On the back, there are industry standard connections for audio receivers and battery mounts. Sony make both the audio gear and the batteries but I opted for Sennheiser and Anton Bauer batteries. What the DSLR video revolution has taught the manufacturers is that bigger chips are better for producing more film-like images and creative use of depth-of-field. So now we are seeing proper versions of video cameras incorporating DSLR type chips. As Krisjanis pointed out in a separate post, Sony have the NEX camera which is a consumer modular video camera. More importantly, the professional end is also starting to see some interesting movement. Panasonic have their 4/3 chip modular camera, the Panasonic AF101, and now Sony have come out with a real game-changer, the PMW-F3. The reason this camera is important is all to do with data rates. The F3 will record 50 Mbps out of the box and that's firmly into broadcast territory. Most broadcasters have structured limits that they require, although having said that, if you're Obama's brother and shoot a documentary about him behind the scenes on an iPhone, any network will buy it. If you have an idea for something slightly more mundane, go buy a mid-price camera and pitch your doc idea for funding, the technical requirements will stump you. The F3 is a very cost-effective way to get into high-end video production and even feature filmmaking. In this respect, DSLRs have been instrumental in the concept, but in highlighting the flaws. Sure, an episode of 'House' was shot on a DSLR, and as a test it was great. But if it was that good, they would shoot all TV drama on DSLRs, and clearly they don't. Cameras like the F3 will now make a huge inroads into that market. The DSLR will for the most part go back to being used for still photography. Totally agree, with the added benefit of a springboard into video making. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On Mar 5, 2011, at 2:32 AM, Cotty wrote: On 4/3/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I sort of think the whole DSLR video is going to be a passing fad. Agree, but now that video is part of the design, it won't disappear. It'll still be there, and in some ways that's not bad as it represents a cost-effective way to get into video. More serious users will then move onto something more suitable. Video on DSLRs are a passing fad that aren't quite as silly and will last only slightly longer than cameras and video in cell phones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Cotty wrote: On 4/3/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I sort of think the whole DSLR video is going to be a passing fad. Agree, but now that video is part of the design, it won't disappear. It'll still be there, and in some ways that's not bad as it represents a cost-effective way to get into video. More serious users will then move onto something more suitable. The reason I think that is you don't need the SLR viewfinder, and in fact can't use the viewfinder, when you're shooting video. So why would you need the mirror pentaprism and all the other machinery that puts the 'R' in single lens reflex? Why wouldn't the manufacturers eliminate them to lower the cost and beat the competition on price? I expect we'll see divergence into a slightly more specialized video equipment; it'll be a modular box with the sensor, lens mount, LCD and connections to output the video. In actual fact, certainly in the professional market, it's always been like that. From the days of film right through to now. When I bought my video camera, the only integrated part was the 'camera head' (the front end with chips and electronics) and the recording media section (the back end in this case DVCam digital tape mechanism). It came with a standard viewfinder which is connected by a mount and a power lead to the camera head. In fact I upgraded to a much better viewfinder and ditched the standard one altogether. On the back, there are industry standard connections for audio receivers and battery mounts. Sony make both the audio gear and the batteries but I opted for Sennheiser and Anton Bauer batteries. What the DSLR video revolution has taught the manufacturers is that bigger chips are better for producing more film-like images and creative use of depth-of-field. So now we are seeing proper versions of video cameras incorporating DSLR type chips. As Krisjanis pointed out in a separate post, Sony have the NEX camera which is a consumer modular video camera. More importantly, the professional end is also starting to see some interesting movement. Panasonic have their 4/3 chip modular camera, the Panasonic AF101, and now Sony have come out with a real game-changer, the PMW-F3. The reason this camera is important is all to do with data rates. The F3 will record 50 Mbps out of the box and that's firmly into broadcast territory. Most broadcasters have structured limits that they require, although having said that, if you're Obama's brother and shoot a documentary about him behind the scenes on an iPhone, any network will buy it. If you have an idea for something slightly more mundane, go buy a mid-price camera and pitch your doc idea for funding, the technical requirements will stump you. The F3 is a very cost-effective way to get into high-end video production and even feature filmmaking. In this respect, DSLRs have been instrumental in the concept, but in highlighting the flaws. Sure, an episode of 'House' was shot on a DSLR, and as a test it was great. But if it was that good, they would shoot all TV drama on DSLRs, and clearly they don't. Cameras like the F3 will now make a huge inroads into that market. The DSLR will for the most part go back to being used for still photography. Totally agree, with the added benefit of a springboard into video making. Good to know, Cotty. I will keep this for future reference. I have seen quite a few television crews shooting with DSLRs here, particularly at the auto show. Of course they weren't broadcasting. Those that were on the air had big rigs, but the DSLR guys were definitely shooting for broadcast later the same day. And I believe a number of feature films have been shot in whole or in part on DSLRs. The shooter I worked with on the corporate film shoots some stuff for the various Fox sports cable channels, who provide game recaps of events that weren't originally broadcasted. I'm a little concerned about his focus accuracy with that rig. His HD screen was very good, and since we were dealing with room interiors, he shot mostly with wides, including some with a 17mm fisheye (which is almost rectilinear on an APS camera), so he should have plenty of DOF. The fact that he does sports work makes me believe he can pull focus when he has to, but I won't be happy until I see his results. Of course I'm not responsible for that part of the job. The agency picked him and hired him. I was contracted to provide a script, but then, as these things seem to go, they then wanted me to direct the shoot. That puts me in somewhat of a bad place, because I'm stuck with the decisions of others. But, in this case, I'm hopeful. The guy seemed, at the very least, to be good in terms of knowing what to shoot and making his camera moves. Wish you were here! Paul -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com
Re: OT: DSLR video
Oh, I wouldn't be giving up on cell phone cameras just yet. I think they already took market share from the PS cameras, and everybody carries one! Why carry 2? Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 2:32 AM, Cotty wrote: On 4/3/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I sort of think the whole DSLR video is going to be a passing fad. Agree, but now that video is part of the design, it won't disappear. It'll still be there, and in some ways that's not bad as it represents a cost-effective way to get into video. More serious users will then move onto something more suitable. Video on DSLRs are a passing fad that aren't quite as silly and will last only slightly longer than cameras and video in cell phones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Wish you were here! Rates on request ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a little concerned about his focus accuracy with that rig. His HD screen was very good, and since we were dealing with room interiors, he shot mostly with wides, including some with a 17mm fisheye (which is almost rectilinear on an APS camera), so he should have plenty of DOF. The fact that he does sports work makes me believe he can pull focus when he has to, but I won't be happy until I see his results. Absolutely no room for error with focus on HD. There are some very effective focus assistance tools (peaking etc) on proper video rigs but a shaded and contrasty viewfinder is essential on any camera in bright ambient light. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Cotty wrote: On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a little concerned about his focus accuracy with that rig. His HD screen was very good, and since we were dealing with room interiors, he shot mostly with wides, including some with a 17mm fisheye (which is almost rectilinear on an APS camera), so he should have plenty of DOF. The fact that he does sports work makes me believe he can pull focus when he has to, but I won't be happy until I see his results. Absolutely no room for error with focus on HD. There are some very effective focus assistance tools (peaking etc) on proper video rigs but a shaded and contrasty viewfinder is essential on any camera in bright ambient light. He had a hood surrounding his HD screen, which I believe was 7 inches. He had rented it from the equipment company where he got the jib boom and dolly. He told me they sell for $1800, so I assume it's a reasonably good monitor. I could see focus snap in on it, even from a few feet away. It appeared to have very good detail and contrast. i saw a lot of video shooters using similar monitors at the auto show. They come with a mount bracket that holds the camera right under the screen and can be used with a tripod or boom. I do wish you were here. It seems that it's hard to find good independent shooters here. Most of them are attached to big production companies, and that drives the cost way up, because you have to sign up for a crew and producer along with the shooter. Paul -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
It's not you're rates it's your shipping costs... On 3/5/2011 10:52 AM, Cotty wrote: On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Wish you were here! Rates on request ! -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
That should be ...your rates... Spell checkers make illiterates of us all. On 3/5/2011 12:37 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's not you're rates it's your shipping costs... On 3/5/2011 10:52 AM, Cotty wrote: On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Wish you were here! Rates on request ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
Just like marriage - Its not the cost of acquisition, its the upkeep. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: DSLR video It's not you're rates it's your shipping costs... On 3/5/2011 10:52 AM, Cotty wrote: On 5/3/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Wish you were here! Rates on request ! . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
If you want to hear some interesting perspectives on DSLR video capture, Gale Tattersall (the person behind the shooting of that episode of House made with the Canon 5D II) was interviewed by Ibarionex Perello on The Candid Frame podcast very recently. You can get the MP3 from here: http://thecandidframe.blogspot.com/2011/02/candid-frame-107-gale-tattersal.html or through iTunes. Video is not for everyone. I'm very interested in it, however. Motion capture is a very different mindset compared to still photography and requires very different skills for a lot of things. I've bought a highly recommended book on the subject of DSLR video capture ... haven't had much time to read it yet, but it looks good skimming through it: From Still To Motion by Ball, Gottschalk, Harrington et al. It was not a priority in my purchase of the Olympus E-5, but it was something I thought about. The E-5 is primarily a still camera, but its video capture capabilities are pretty decent. I've got a lot of fun clips out of it so far, but again time has been my limiting factor the past several months. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: DSLR video
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi I've bought a highly recommended book on the subject of DSLR video capture ... haven't had much time to read it yet, but it looks good skimming through it: From Still To Motion by Ball, Gottschalk, Harrington et al. that looks very useful - onto my wish list it goes B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR video
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:37 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Paul Stenquist Airborne and on my way home from producing a one-day video shoot in Atlanta. The shooter I worked with used a Canon T2i DSLR with a 7-inch HD monitor mounted atop. (This was another job where I didn't get to hire the shooter, but I'm pleased with this guy's work -- so far.) Most shots were off a jib boom. Footage looked great on a monitor. I'm anxious to see the final results. Paul I sort of think the whole DSLR video is going to be a passing fad. The reason I think that is you don't need the SLR viewfinder, and in fact can't use the viewfinder, when you're shooting video. So why would you need the mirror pentaprism and all the other machinery that puts the 'R' in single lens reflex? Why wouldn't the manufacturers eliminate them to lower the cost and beat the competition on price? I expect we'll see divergence into a slightly more specialized video equipment; it'll be a modular box with the sensor, lens mount, LCD and connections to output the video. The DSLR will for the most part go back to being used for still photography. Perhaps. But going to a modular box would probably add cost. With a DSLR, there's a high volume advantage. Plus, there's a lot of lens availability. That all works to advantage. Yes, the mirror box is unnecessary, but it's not really an encumbrance. Paul - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3480 - Release Date: 03/03/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - DSLR Video - About to be overtaken?
AFAIK Sony has an APS-C video camera just as Panasonic has a 4/3 one. FF is a possibility (mount allows for it) nut nothing more than rumors AFAIK. 2010/9/23 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: I know some of you are interested in the video functions of your DSLRs, Pentax or otherwise. The video camera makers have sat up and taken notice of the impact that high quality DSLRs have had on filmmakers. Panasonic's 4/3rds system camera has made a splash at IBC in Amsterdam, and Sony has something on the board also, reputed to be a full-frame (eg 36X24mm sensor). For anyone interested: http://www.gizmag.com/panasonics-ag-af101-dslr-killer/16353/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - DSLR Video - About to be overtaken?
The Sony is much less capable than the Panasonic, but you can actually buy the Sony. It's essentially a NEX-5 in a camcorder body with more control over video and no RAW option for stills. The Panasonic is essentially going to be a GH2 in a camcorder body, likely with more video control and pro-grade audio inputs. It's also going to be $5k instead of the Sony's $2k (with lens) -Adam On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK Sony has an APS-C video camera just as Panasonic has a 4/3 one. FF is a possibility (mount allows for it) nut nothing more than rumors AFAIK. 2010/9/23 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: I know some of you are interested in the video functions of your DSLRs, Pentax or otherwise. The video camera makers have sat up and taken notice of the impact that high quality DSLRs have had on filmmakers. Panasonic's 4/3rds system camera has made a splash at IBC in Amsterdam, and Sony has something on the board also, reputed to be a full-frame (eg 36X24mm sensor). For anyone interested: http://www.gizmag.com/panasonics-ag-af101-dslr-killer/16353/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR Video
On 27/4/10, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed: Saw a post somewhere the other day that the final episode of House for this season has been filmed using a Canon DSLR. The reason was stated as wanting to explore the limited depth of field that was available with some of the Canon lenses. ?? I have been watching the TV guide so as to record it and check it out. More info here Walt: http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/19/in-depth-interview-with-executive- producer-and-director-of-house-season-finale-shot-on-canon-5dmkii/ http://www.tinyurl.com/housefinalbloom -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR Video
Informed sources have told me that many of the recordings for the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest (finals in Oslo in May) will be done with DSLRs. The stated reason is a certain fashion for shallow depth of field in videos. The rumor also told about complications from codec- and file format diverstity among brands. The responsible broadcaster has alledgedly been able to accomodate for all the major brands except Nikon at the moment. I think Pentax was considered a major brand in this context... Jostein 2010/4/28 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 27/4/10, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed: Saw a post somewhere the other day that the final episode of House for this season has been filmed using a Canon DSLR. The reason was stated as wanting to explore the limited depth of field that was available with some of the Canon lenses. ?? I have been watching the TV guide so as to record it and check it out. More info here Walt: http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/19/in-depth-interview-with-executive- producer-and-director-of-house-season-finale-shot-on-canon-5dmkii/ http://www.tinyurl.com/housefinalbloom -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR Video
Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Just sayin. CW On 4/27/2010 11:31 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Today during my nonlinear dynamics lab, the Development Office sent two people over to get video for a capital campaign DVD. Interestingly, they used a Canon 5D. They said that, as long as they didn't need sound, the DSLRs were more than adequate. I'm just reporting not defending. ;-) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2838 - Release Date: 04/27/10 02:27:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: DSLR Video
On 27 April 2010 11:42, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Just sayin. CW Maybe they were filming for Mime TV. Just sayin... --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I might have a bias...This is my office: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Other/Single-Shots/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6 CW On 4/27/2010 11:44 AM, Miserere wrote: On 27 April 2010 11:42, Cory Waterscbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Just sayin. CW Maybe they were filming for Mime TV. Just sayin... --M. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2838 - Release Date: 04/27/10 02:27:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DSLRs like the Canon 5D Mk II create seriously good video for the money that can take advantage of interchangeable lenses. The two main downsides are ergonomics and (as noted) sound. A second system is required for good sound. The camera's rudimentary sound is left on to provide a reference track for syncing the second system in post. Those interested in reading more on the subject (which should apply to Pentax video, as well): http://jayshaffervideo.com/super-simple-second-system-sound-syncing-for-hdslrs/ Zoom H4n: http://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Handy-Portable-Digital-Recorder/dp/B001QWBM62 I believe that a fullframe camera that does video + an inexpensive second sound system provides tremendous bang for the buck for todays videographer. As an aside, if Pentax comes out with a 645Dv (with video capabilities) they won't be able to build them fast enough. That kind of dynamic range combined with that many pixels would make a budding Francis Ford Coppola soil themselves. Darren Addy Kearney, NE -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Remember the application. They only want footage, over which they will dub a voice over and/or music. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Just sayin. CW On 4/27/2010 11:31 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Today during my nonlinear dynamics lab, the Development Office sent two people over to get video for a capital campaign DVD. Interestingly, they used a Canon 5D. They said that, as long as they didn't need sound, the DSLRs were more than adequate. I'm just reporting not defending. ;-) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2838 - Release Date: 04/27/10 02:27:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tell that to Douglas Fairbanks, (never mind, he's dead).
On 4/27/2010 11:42 AM, Cory Waters wrote:
Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken.
Just sayin.
CW
On 4/27/2010 11:31 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Today during my nonlinear dynamics lab, the Development Office sent
two people over to get video for a capital campaign DVD.
Interestingly, they used a Canon 5D. They said that, as long as they
didn't need sound, the DSLRs were more than adequate. I'm just
reporting not defending. ;-)
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On 27/4/10, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Couldn't put it better :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DSLR's have their place now in filmmaking (yes I know it's not film, but programme-makers still affectionately refer to the process as filmmaking, including this one) it is true - but there are limitations. If you're reading this thread then you will also find this article interesting: http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/19/in-depth-interview-with-executive- producer-and-director-of-house-season-finale-shot-on-canon-5dmkii/ http://tinyurl.com/housefinalbloom I have no desire to rush out yet and buy a DSLR in the process of filming for TV. I have 2 cameras - a big shoulder-mount Sony DVCam and a small HD handheld. The problem with handheld filming is mass - the small cameras don't have the weight in them to steady things down. Not talking about image stabilisation or anything, just 'steadiness' of handheld shots, even zoomed out at wide angles. A weighty shoulder mount camera provides an extremely stable platform for handheld shooting. A small camera does not, and the movements can be jerky and nauseating as a result. Even on a tripod, a small camera does not cut it. A big camera weighing 20+ lbs will pan beautifully with a nice fluid head, and ride up and stop on a dime. A small camera will not. Next time you see a nature film with a panning landscape shot, watch how the operator slows the camera at the end of the pan until it just gently comes to a stop - rather than an abrupt jerky bump. A bit like stopping a car - you let up on the brake just before you stop other wise everyone jerks forward. That's skill, yes - but even a seasoned operator can have trouble getting that smoothness with a small camera even on a fluid head tripod. It's very difficult, even for me (!) but all these youngsters running around now with small cameras and DSLRs - they're all trying to do it and boy it makes me cringe when I see most efforts. Don't get me wrong - DSLRs and small handhelds have their place. I love shooting fly-on-the-wall with my small camera - it's unobtrusive and lightweight, I've got 2 mic inputs so can place a radio mic on a subject and get ambient with the on-board mic. Great fun and I love it. But if you're out getting nature, sport, documentary footage and so on, a big camera is a must. That said, DSLRs are there and there is now a growing aftermarket for balanced sound input/outputs, viewfinder add-ons, matte-boxes and so on. Very exciting to see where it goes. If it means more people get interested in video and start making programmes, I'm all for it. The one thing to watch though is that making a programme, fact or fiction, is all about telling a story. Great cameras make great shots, but great storytellers make great films. .02 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I joke about this only being a development DVD but they are trying to raise a quarter billion USD. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 27/4/10, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: Sound without video is radio. Video without sound is broken. Couldn't put it better :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins Today during my nonlinear dynamics lab, the Development Office sent two people over to get video for a capital campaign DVD. Interestingly, they used a Canon 5D. They said that, as long as they didn't need sound, the DSLRs were more than adequate. I'm just reporting not defending. ;-) K-7 manual says it will record monophonic sound in camera and you can plug any commercially available stereo microphone that has a 1/8 inch stereo connector into the camera for stereo recording. Don't the Canon's record sound? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: K-7 manual says it will record monophonic sound in camera and you can plug any commercially available stereo microphone that has a 1/8 inch stereo connector into the camera for stereo recording. Don't the Canon's record sound? Recording unbalanced audio through 3.5mm jacks is not proper audio recording. You might as well shoot the video and then show it underwater. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/04/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: Recording unbalanced audio through 3.5mm jacks is not proper audio recording. You might as well shoot the video and then show it underwater. Oh it's fine over a short distance and absolutely no problem with these pre-amplified hot shoe mounted mics. Balancing only reduces cable induced noise, a bad balanced mic pre-amp can sound worse than a good unbalanced system. If I was shooting video seriously with my DSLR I would use my H4n though (internal mics, not my nice phantom powered balanced condensers ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/4/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh it's fine over a short distance and absolutely no problem with these pre-amplified hot shoe mounted mics. Balancing only reduces cable induced noise, a bad balanced mic pre-amp can sound worse than a good unbalanced system. Well, you kn ow as well as I do that the worst place for a mic is on board - and especially the cheap shit rubbish they supply with most cameras. Even my HM100 came with the most awful crap mic. I replaced it with an ATR-75, but for anything worthwhile the 416 is ready to go :) The problem with most people shooting (DSLR or otherwise) is that audio is a mystical add-on that one hopes will turn out alright 'in the end'. Then the last part of post production happens, the final sound mix, and the recriminations start! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 28/4/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh it's fine over a short distance and absolutely no problem with these pre-amplified hot shoe mounted mics. Balancing only reduces cable induced noise, a bad balanced mic pre-amp can sound worse than a good unbalanced system. Well, you kn ow as well as I do that the worst place for a mic is on board - and especially the cheap shit rubbish they supply with most cameras. Even my HM100 came with the most awful crap mic. I replaced it with an ATR-75, but for anything worthwhile the 416 is ready to go :) The problem with most people shooting (DSLR or otherwise) is that audio is a mystical add-on that one hopes will turn out alright 'in the end'. Then the last part of post production happens, the final sound mix, and the recriminations start! -- Cheers, Cotty One advantage to only shooting video of drunken engineers is that nobody actually wants to hear them. Needless to say the anemic audio capabilities of my K-x have not yet proven to be an issue for me. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/4/10, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: One advantage to only shooting video of drunken engineers is that nobody actually wants to hear them. LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Saw a post somewhere the other day that the final episode of House for this season has been filmed using a Canon DSLR. The reason was stated as wanting to explore the limited depth of field that was available with some of the Canon lenses. ?? I have been watching the TV guide so as to record it and check it out. Walt On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Today during my nonlinear dynamics lab, the Development Office sent two people over to get video for a capital campaign DVD. Interestingly, they used a Canon 5D. They said that, as long as they didn't need sound, the DSLRs were more than adequate. I'm just reporting not defending. ;-) -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
