Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On 8 September 2012 21:01, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it works. Just don't use it. Yeah; REAL photographers don't use it -- we can just smell the histogram. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2012 21:01, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it works. Just don't use it. Yeah; REAL photographers don't use it -- we can just smell the histogram. I just love the smell of clipped highlights in the morning. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
I just love the smell of clipped highlights in the morning. Mark. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2012 21:01, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it works. Just don't use it. Yeah; REAL photographers don't use it -- we can just smell the histogram. I just love the smell of clipped highlights in the morning. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On the K20D the histogram smells like Napalm and Brimstone... On 9/9/2012 11:17 AM, Miserere wrote: On 8 September 2012 21:01, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it works. Just don't use it. Yeah; REAL photographers don't use it -- we can just smell the histogram. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Sony NEX-7
From: Bob W From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. A tricky question, or someone who poses. Or a misspelling of poseur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur I sometimes go out and pretend to be a poseur, which of course I'm not. Or am I? The Poseur's Paradox. B Bob, You're so far out you're going to meet yourself coming back some day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Sony NEX-7
From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Sony NEX-7 Message-ID: 015501cd8dc6$099827a0$1cc876e0$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. A tricky question, or someone who poses. Or a misspelling of poseur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur I sometimes go out and pretend to be a poseur, which of course I'm not. Or am I? The Poseur's Paradox. B I get it. Thanks. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
The new NEX-7 arrived yesterday. Auto review works exactly like it's supposed to on this one. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
OK, it works. Just don't use it. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: The new NEX-7 arrived yesterday. Auto review works exactly like it's supposed to on this one. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. A tricky question, or someone who poses. Or a misspelling of poseur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Sony NEX-7
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. A tricky question, or someone who poses. Or a misspelling of poseur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur I sometimes go out and pretend to be a poseur, which of course I'm not. Or am I? The Poseur's Paradox. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
Hey, I got it right the first time. Of curse, I spelled the photo part wrong. ;-( Actually, poser is an American variation poseur. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. A tricky question, or someone who poses. Or a misspelling of poseur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur I sometimes go out and pretend to be a poseur, which of course I'm not. Or am I? The Poseur's Paradox. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On 9/6/2012 7:09 AM, Tom C wrote: Well, I've had the NEX-7 for a little over a week. ... All that aside I'm exchanging the NEX-7 for a new one. :-((( Sorry to hear that, Tom. IIRC you were anticipating NEX-7 for a long time now... Let's hope that the replacement will meet all of your requirements. Godfrey, I should say that I shoot from the screen (no viewfinder for me yet) and that the exposure compensation buttons arrangement is just fine for me. Surely your ergonomics is different than mine. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Godfrey, I should say that I shoot from the screen (no viewfinder for me yet) and that the exposure compensation buttons arrangement is just fine for me. Surely your ergonomics is different than mine. Definitely. Using an eye level finder vs using the LCD finder almost completely changes how you grip the camera (GXR). That said, I found the rocker switch to be in the way in either case ... Must be large hands or something . :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On 6 September 2012 14:17, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I'm just another instagram'er at heart. MARK! —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2012 14:17, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I'm just another instagram'er at heart. MARK! —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com People have different styles and I respect that because as long as it works it's good. However, the line I never look at the LCD is a typical line of a phtotoposeur. Please note that I'm not saying that folks who don't use the LCD are posers. Just that the claim is a favorite of those who are. After having several glasses of Malbec, and risking appearing stupid(er), what is a poser? :) I can guess of course. Tom C, (too lazy to google). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
LOL I find the auto-review function a distraction most of the time. That's why I turn it off. But I turn it on when I think it might be useful, usually with auto-zoom-in turned on as well as I'm using it primarily to check focus settings. Some people love that on the GXR with the M-mount camera unit, the default is the rocker for camera units with a zoom is enabled to operate exposure compensation directly. For me this is a disaster: I'm constantly moving the EV Compensation all over the place. I disabled it. People often differ. That's why it's so hard to design one camera that suits a wide range of people and uses. Enjoy your next NEX. G On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I've had the NEX-7 for a little over a week. You may remember earlier a post generated some well meant advisements about accidentally starting video shooting. In fact there's complaints all over the web about it. Well I took the camera out. Put a lens on. Put in the battery. Put in a memory card. Set date/time. Looked into the EVF (as opposed to through). Pressed the shutter release. Image captured. No video. It was natural to press the horizontal shutter release DOWN as one would do on any SLR/DSLR of the last 45 years, and just as on any Pentax. If users are actuating the video button on the back of the camera then they're not pressing down on the shutter release with their index finger as much as they're pressing IN on a button, that's obviously NOT where the shutter release is. Hand size aside, it's obvious where the shutter release is. They're either man handling it or their hands don't work right and when they press down with their index finger they're pressing in with their thumb equally or more. I've taken several hundred shots now, and never did I accidentally start shooting video, nor did I make a conscious effort not to. It makes ergonomic sense to have the video start button where it is because then with the hand holding the camera naturally as most would, with the press of the index finger one can shoot a still, or with a press of the thumb one can start a video. I don't see the issue. I recall numerous camera reviews on other models that complain about how HARD it is to start video recording. When I'm driving I sometimes press the next track button on the steering wheel as opposed to the volume control. The buttons are close together and shaped the same yet clearly labeled. Is it Toyota's fault when I'm not paying attention to what I'm doing and press the wrong one? All that aside I'm exchanging the NEX-7 for a new one. :-((( It won't consistently render a review image. It's totally random, sometimes showing the image, sometimes not. Shooting slowly and deliberately with 5 seconds between shots, it'll not show an image 10+ times, then show one, and the next shot not.I tried the longshot of changing memory cards and resetting the camera to factory default, but the same issue continues. When I asked a question regarding this on the NEX dpreview forum I got a little beat up about wanting auto review on in the first place. That's not the point. If the camera doesn't function to spec it's defective. I even got called thick as a brick. :) I don't view having auto review turned on all the time as being neophyte behavior. On those occasions I take my photography seriously, I use my digitals in much the same way I'd use a film camera, carefully composing/exposing as opposed to rapid-firing or snap-shooting, hoping for a good shot. So I take advantage of auto review as it instantly let's me review an image and adjust if necessary, without the need to explicitly ask the camera to show me the image. If it chews though batteries a little faster, that's why I have multiples and a car charger. The End Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
on 2012-09-05 22:09 Tom C wrote I don't view having auto review turned on all the time as being neophyte behavior. i keep auto-review on (on my K200d), but i usually half-tap the shutter release after a shot to suppress it; i tend to glance at the histogram on the first shot in a series, possibly adjust, then take more shots without review -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-09-05 22:09 Tom C wrote I don't view having auto review turned on all the time as being neophyte behavior. i keep auto-review on (on my K200d), but i usually half-tap the shutter release after a shot to suppress it; i tend to glance at the histogram on the first shot in a series, possibly adjust, then take more shots without review I eventually killed auto-review mainly because doing that seems to improve overall responsiveness. I think the camera has less to do so it's ready for the next shot quicker. Maybe it just seems that way. And it's kind of jarring when shooting in low light, say in a jazz club, to have the preview come on and glare into my face. It can actually take a few moments to re-accustom my eye to the darkness after that, and I might lose a shot. It's trivial to hit the preview button now and then to verify continued copaceticosity. I'm always a neophyte at *something*, so I don't tend to alter my behaviour or settings to try and hide that. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
So, their point is that's a dumb feature so it's OK that it's broken? Auto review is especially useful with a new camera which you don't trust yet (because some features may not work ;-). Of course, some forums are broken by nature. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-09-05 22:09 Tom C wrote I don't view having auto review turned on all the time as being neophyte behavior. i keep auto-review on (on my K200d), but i usually half-tap the shutter release after a shot to suppress it; i tend to glance at the histogram on the first shot in a series, possibly adjust, then take more shots without review I eventually killed auto-review mainly because doing that seems to improve overall responsiveness. I think the camera has less to do so it's ready for the next shot quicker. Maybe it just seems that way. And it's kind of jarring when shooting in low light, say in a jazz club, to have the preview come on and glare into my face. It can actually take a few moments to re-accustom my eye to the darkness after that, and I might lose a shot. It's trivial to hit the preview button now and then to verify continued copaceticosity. I'm always a neophyte at *something*, so I don't tend to alter my behaviour or settings to try and hide that. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
Thanks Bruce... I also turn it off in darker situations (or I just swear at it every time it shows me a preview). :) From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com So, their point is that's a dumb feature so it's OK that it's broken? Auto review is especially useful with a new camera which you don't trust yet (because some features may not work ;-). Of course, some forums are broken by nature. I agree, especially new out of the box I want to see a representation of what I'm getting. I suspect an internal memory issue of some kind. Depending on how I have it setup to display varying information on the review screen, it behaves differently, but never consistently. The return process has already been initiated with Amazon and a new one should be shipping today. Well some guys did sincerely try to help and offered suggestions. Others basically suggested that (my words) 'real photographers wouldn't have it turned on as they don't need to check their shots'. And so yes, it didn't really matter. Of course we never had the luxury with film, but IMO, the best time to check your shot is immediately after you take it, so that there's possibly a chance to retake it if things are amiss. I know that's a crazy notion and I'm just a dumb ass for thinking like that. Three others were rather condescending. I got in a minor flame war and it was my very first post on the forum. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
on 2012-09-06 10:23 Bruce Walker wrote And it's kind of jarring when shooting in low light, say in a jazz club, to have the preview come on and glare into my face. that is what put me in the habit of half-tapping the shutter immediately after a shot; it seems to take a lot longer on my K200d to call up a preview manually -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Of course we never had the luxury with film, but IMO, the best time to check your shot is immediately after you take it, so that there's possibly a chance to retake it if things are amiss. I know that's a crazy notion and I'm just a dumb ass for thinking like that. Man, if I stuck to only doing things that were possible in film days, I'd put my camera back in a closet and take up another hobby, like I did in the 1980's. The present state of photo technology is what drew me back into shooting. Now I can get instant feedback if I need it, adjust ISO on the fly, post-process (even colour!) sans darkroom ... [endless list elided]. Film and all its hassles was just not for me. I guess I'm just another instagram'er at heart. Three others were rather condescending. I got in a minor flame war and it was my very first post on the forum. :) I'd consider making it your last. :-) The dpreview crowd seem only a minor step up from YouTube posters sometimes. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7
OMG, I missed the fact that you were on the DPR forum. I sometimes see it because I'm there to look at reviews (which I like) and just look at comments. Unless you can prescribe medication, there's no much good to be done there. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Of course we never had the luxury with film, but IMO, the best time to check your shot is immediately after you take it, so that there's possibly a chance to retake it if things are amiss. I know that's a crazy notion and I'm just a dumb ass for thinking like that. Man, if I stuck to only doing things that were possible in film days, I'd put my camera back in a closet and take up another hobby, like I did in the 1980's. The present state of photo technology is what drew me back into shooting. Now I can get instant feedback if I need it, adjust ISO on the fly, post-process (even colour!) sans darkroom ... [endless list elided]. Film and all its hassles was just not for me. I guess I'm just another instagram'er at heart. Three others were rather condescending. I got in a minor flame war and it was my very first post on the forum. :) I'd consider making it your last. :-) The dpreview crowd seem only a minor step up from YouTube posters sometimes. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7 :)
on 2012-08-23 21:56 Tom C wrote I just (finally) purchased a NEX-7 and should receive it tomorrow. However I read these two reviews on Amazon. Dear me. What should I do? read some more reviews? Mike Johnston has has some surprisingly good (to me) things to say about that model: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/08/dodging-the-nex-bullet.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7:)
Can't speak to the quality of the NEX-7 but I have the same video button problem on Oly Pen 1 4/3s. Apparently in this size camera it is a feature not a bug. But I just ignore it. Otherwise it has been satisfactory quality wise. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:56:45 -0600 From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Sony NEX-7:) Message-ID: CAGyUL=0V2jdvh3PHekkJ9=n6imllupkx1d5erf_ftnsbcf0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just (finally) purchased a NEX-7 and should receive it tomorrow. However I read these two reviews on Amazon. Dear me. What should I do? #1: I bought the Sony because both of my good cameras were in the shop. I thought the Sony might make a useful backup camera. As it turned out I made a very bad choice. The most annoying aspect of the camera was the useless video capability. If I want a video camera (I don't), I'll buy one or use thre one that I have. I am a photographer, not a videographer. But the Sony apparently wanted me to be a videographer because whenever I tried to take a picture, the camera was busily taking video of the sky, my leg, or the ground. By the time I got the video turned off, the shot I wanted to take was gone. sigh. . . . I put an o-ring over the video button which is in a bad place causing the users thumb to constantly touch the button and turn on the video. The o-ring helped a little, but did not solve the problem by any means. If I did manage to take a picture, the quality was substandard, apparently due to the poor lens quality. The camera felt cheap and tinny. Too light and insubstantial. The two programmable knobs were unnecessary and useless. The camera was difficult to handle because it was so light and because it did not feel solid in the hand. The documentation that came with the camera was woefully lacking in content and size. The on-camera flash mechanism looked and felt weak and looked likely to break. I finally gave the camera to my daughter, hoping that she might use it, but she had the good sense to leave it alone. #2: I was (please note past tense) interested in purchasing the Sony Nex 7 camera. I had investigated it on the internet but still had some doubts that I wanted cleared up. Having purchased a Sony NEX 3 with a Sony telescopic lens and finding out that the automatic focus would not work I din't want to make the same expensive mistake again. I wanted to know what lenses I should buy and if they would work with the automatic focus. I called the Sony help line and first was told that the camera had not been launched. The person that I spoke to did not know anything about cameras. I asked to be passed to someone that had more knowledge about cameras. They passed me to JR. When I started asking JR questions about the camera he tells me he will look it up. I asked him if he know about the camera or had ever used it. He proceeded to tell me no he didn't but he could answer all my questions. When I explained that I wanted to have a dialog with a knowledgeable person and not have to go back and forth with him in the middle he informed me that their experts did not handle calls directly. That everything had to go through a CR person. I was not going to waste my time asking questions and then waiting for him to ask someone and then get back to me--ridiculous. I then asked to speak to a supervisor to express my dismay that a couple such as Sony did not or could not give better service he informed me that he would pass on my complaint. There isn't even a way to complain about poor service with these people. It is no wonder that Sony has been losing money forso many years. Until they start listening to their customers they will continue down the same road. Bottom line; if I can't get information about the camera before I purchase it what kind of service will one gets after it is bought?? -- I'm not even opening the package... the UPS guy can just take it back.:) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7:)
The same problem shows up on the E-PL1, but at least it's possible to set what the button does by using a custom function. One of the choices is do nothing. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:19:33AM -0500, Don Guthrie wrote: Can't speak to the quality of the NEX-7 but I have the same video button problem on Oly Pen 1 4/3s. Apparently in this size camera it is a feature not a bug. But I just ignore it. Otherwise it has been satisfactory quality wise. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:56:45 -0600 From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Sony NEX-7:) Message-ID: CAGyUL=0V2jdvh3PHekkJ9=n6imllupkx1d5erf_ftnsbcf0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just (finally) purchased a NEX-7 and should receive it tomorrow. However I read these two reviews on Amazon. Dear me. What should I do? #1: I bought the Sony because both of my good cameras were in the shop. I thought the Sony might make a useful backup camera. As it turned out I made a very bad choice. The most annoying aspect of the camera was the useless video capability. If I want a video camera (I don't), I'll buy one or use thre one that I have. I am a photographer, not a videographer. But the Sony apparently wanted me to be a videographer because whenever I tried to take a picture, the camera was busily taking video of the sky, my leg, or the ground. By the time I got the video turned off, the shot I wanted to take was gone. sigh. . . . I put an o-ring over the video button which is in a bad place causing the users thumb to constantly touch the button and turn on the video. The o-ring helped a little, but did not solve the problem by any means. If I did manage to take a picture, the quality was substandard, apparently due to the poor lens quality. The camera felt cheap and tinny. Too light and insubstantial. The two programmable knobs were unnecessary and useless. The camera was difficult to handle because it was so light and because it did not feel solid in the hand. The documentation that came with the camera was woefully lacking in content and size. The on-camera flash mechanism looked and felt weak and looked likely to break. I finally gave the camera to my daughter, hoping that she might use it, but she had the good sense to leave it alone. #2: I was (please note past tense) interested in purchasing the Sony Nex 7 camera. I had investigated it on the internet but still had some doubts that I wanted cleared up. Having purchased a Sony NEX 3 with a Sony telescopic lens and finding out that the automatic focus would not work I din't want to make the same expensive mistake again. I wanted to know what lenses I should buy and if they would work with the automatic focus. I called the Sony help line and first was told that the camera had not been launched. The person that I spoke to did not know anything about cameras. I asked to be passed to someone that had more knowledge about cameras. They passed me to JR. When I started asking JR questions about the camera he tells me he will look it up. I asked him if he know about the camera or had ever used it. He proceeded to tell me no he didn't but he could answer all my questions. When I explained that I wanted to have a dialog with a knowledgeable person and not have to go back and forth with him in the middle he informed me that their experts did not handle calls directly. That everything had to go through a CR person. I was not going to waste my time asking questions and then waiting for him to ask someone and then get back to me--ridiculous. I then asked to speak to a supervisor to express my dismay that a couple such as Sony did not or could not give better service he informed me that he would pass on my complaint. There isn't even a way to complain about poor service with these people. It is no wonder that Sony has been losing money forso many years. Until they start listening to their customers they will continue down the same road. Bottom line; if I can't get information about the camera before I purchase it what kind of service will one gets after it is bought?? -- I'm not even opening the package... the UPS guy can just take it back.:) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 First Impressions on Luminous Landscape
The NEX-5n has better high ISO performance (it uses the same sensor as the K-5); that has annoyed some Sonystas. I find the rest of the camera a big win and like it a lot, at least in theory, as I haven't handled one yet. That said, I will never buy into the NEX system due to the gargantuan lenses (relatively speaking, and compared to other mirrorless systems). I'm not into using legacy lenses with a mirrorless system; if I were, I'd probably be all over the NEX-7. That EVF in the correct location, makes me drool. A little. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 21 September 2011 19:22, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sony_nex_7_first_impressions.shtml Among other things (pre-production model): ... ... if ones expectations are realistic this new 24MP sensor really satisfies. At ISO 100 to 400 its noise characteristics are excellent. At 800 it is still very good, and little to no additional luminance noise reduction is needed. At 1600 some luminance noise is visible at pixel peeping on-screen sizes, but hardly at all on even very large prints. At ISO 3200 and beyond noise become increasingly a factor, and how much of an issue it may be for an individual photographers needs will have to be determined. ... It sounds like Sony sacrificed some of the stratospheric ISO capabilities for a higher resolution sensor. Not an unheard of trade-off, but some will take exception to it, I'm sure. Otherwise, it looks like a very nice camera. Time will tell ... I look forward to hearing what you say about it once you get to work with it. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7 Delays?
Apparently, if true, flooding Thailand is affecting a number of electronics/camera companies production lines: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1042thread=39596269 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Of mild interest... From Amazon's website: Due to manufacturing concerns, availability of select Sony products are currently constrained. Some products may be temporarily unavailable from Amazon.com. We're working hard to offer our customers the product selection they expect, but in the event we don’t have the camera you’re looking for in stock, feel free to check out products from Panasonic, Olympus and Nikon. These sleek new cameras with lens versatility are available today from Amazon.com. I can't find the product when searching the site per usual, not even a page that says Pre-order is withdrawn, though apparently it has been. My order still stands with no estimated delivery date. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7 Delays?
See: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-canada-says-nex-7-a77-and-a65-shipment-will-be-delayed/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Of mild interest... From Amazon's website: Due to manufacturing concerns, availability of select Sony products are currently constrained. Some products may be temporarily unavailable from Amazon.com. We're working hard to offer our customers the product selection they expect, but in the event we don’t have the camera you’re looking for in stock, feel free to check out products from Panasonic, Olympus and Nikon. These sleek new cameras with lens versatility are available today from Amazon.com. I can't find the product when searching the site per usual, not even a page that says Pre-order is withdrawn, though apparently it has been. My order still stands with no estimated delivery date. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7 Delays?
Sony and Nikon's digital camera factories in Thailand submerged - no prospect of recovery (whatever that means) according to this report. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Global-fallout-of-Thai-floods-30167951.html On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if true, flooding Thailand is affecting a number of electronics/camera companies production lines: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1042thread=39596269 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Of mild interest... From Amazon's website: Due to manufacturing concerns, availability of select Sony products are currently constrained. Some products may be temporarily unavailable from Amazon.com. We're working hard to offer our customers the product selection they expect, but in the event we don’t have the camera you’re looking for in stock, feel free to check out products from Panasonic, Olympus and Nikon. These sleek new cameras with lens versatility are available today from Amazon.com. I can't find the product when searching the site per usual, not even a page that says Pre-order is withdrawn, though apparently it has been. My order still stands with no estimated delivery date. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Sony NEX-7 Delays?
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:48:37AM -0600, Tom C wrote: Sony and Nikon's digital camera factories in Thailand submerged - no prospect of recovery (whatever that means) according to this report. I'd suspect that means that the clean rooms aren't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 First Impressions on Luminous Landscape
if ones expectations are realistic this new 24MP sensor really satisfies. Very similar to what I told my wife before we married (32 yrs ago). : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 First Impressions on Luminous Landscape
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sony_nex_7_first_impressions.shtml Among other things (pre-production model): ... ... if ones expectations are realistic this new 24MP sensor really satisfies. At ISO 100 to 400 its noise characteristics are excellent. At 800 it is still very good, and little to no additional luminance noise reduction is needed. At 1600 some luminance noise is visible at pixel peeping on-screen sizes, but hardly at all on even very large prints. At ISO 3200 and beyond noise become increasingly a factor, and how much of an issue it may be for an individual photographers needs will have to be determined. ... It sounds like Sony sacrificed some of the stratospheric ISO capabilities for a higher resolution sensor. Not an unheard of trade-off, but some will take exception to it, I'm sure. Otherwise, it looks like a very nice camera. Time will tell ... I look forward to hearing what you say about it once you get to work with it. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 First Impressions on Luminous Landscape
On 9/21/2011 4:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sony_nex_7_first_impressions.shtml Among other things (pre-production model): ... ... if ones expectations are realistic this new 24MP sensor really satisfies. At ISO 100 to 400 its noise characteristics are excellent. At 800 it is still very good, and little to no additional luminance noise reduction is needed. At 1600 some luminance noise is visible at pixel peeping on-screen sizes, but hardly at all on even very large prints. At ISO 3200 and beyond noise become increasingly a factor, and how much of an issue it may be for an individual photographers needs will have to be determined. ... It sounds like Sony sacrificed some of the stratospheric ISO capabilities for a higher resolution sensor. Not an unheard of trade-off, but some will take exception to it, I'm sure. Interesting, since diffraction limiting seems to be purely based on sensor resolution and f/stop, rather than the actual physical size of the aperture, using the calculator at: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm it would seem that it is diffraction limited somewhere between 5.6 and 8. I also suspect that with some clever math, a lot of the noise and diffraction issues could be greatly alleviated by downrezzing to something like 12 MP. Otherwise, it looks like a very nice camera. Time will tell ... I look forward to hearing what you say about it once you get to work with it. I'm rather curious myself. I suppose they could always make a version with the K-5 sensor for people who are more likely to photograph indoors without a flash than they are to print significantly larger than 13x20.5 (24MP at 300dpi) though I suspect you could go quite a bit larger if you wanted. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 24/08/2011 11:42 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted Naegleria fowleri. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 11-08-25 2:33 AM, William Robb wrote: Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted Naegleria fowleri. Oh my. Where do you shovel the coal into that? -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted Naegleria fowleri. -- William Robb The proof will be in the results n'est ce pas? Ergonomically holding that and shooting would seem to be far easier than using any box camera, Brownie Hawkeye, or TLR. From the looks of their new product announcements this week,Sony is gearing up to take a much larger share of the digicam market. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
I haven't paid much attention to Sony's marketing strategy except to note that Sony seems to produce even more camera models than Canon, but let me submit this for discussion. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/08/sonys-big-mistake.html On 8/25/2011 11:51 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted Naegleria fowleri. -- William Robb The proof will be in the results n'est ce pas? Ergonomically holding that and shooting would seem to be far easier than using any box camera, Brownie Hawkeye, or TLR. From the looks of their new product announcements this week,Sony is gearing up to take a much larger share of the digicam market. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 25/08/2011 9:51 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: The proof will be in the results n'est ce pas? Ergonomically holding that and shooting would seem to be far easier than using any box camera, Brownie Hawkeye, or TLR. We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How new and improved is that. I'm thinking that this is a signal that Sony is dropping SLR cameras going forward and if you want to use your Maxxum mount lenses (did they change the name to Alpha?) then you will have to buy one of these monstrosities. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
William Robb wrote: We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How new and improved is that. I'm thinking that this is a signal that Sony is dropping SLR cameras going forward and if you want to use your Maxxum mount lenses (did they change the name to Alpha?) then you will have to buy one of these monstrosities. I'm sure they're not abandoning their DLSR line as several new DSLR models were also announced. I get that you and many people don't like the looks of a big lens on a miniscule body. Aesthetics aside, for certain applications, specifically for me, backpacking where every ounce is an issue, this type of camera gives DSLR results and capabilities in a package that is somewhat larger than a PS and much smaller form factor and weight than a DSLR. I haven't seen the EVF of the NEX-7 since it hasn't been released. I'm not a big fan of EVF's, but I suspect that having the proper composition in the viewfinder will yield an acceptable recorded image, the majority of the time, just as not having to compose on an LCS screen works reasonably well in most cases. What I want to know is what Pentax was thinking with the Q. If they ever wanted to make themselves look like a toy camera company and produce a camera that gives less bang for the buck, that's the way to do it. $800 for a tiny sensor mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with lens or $700 for a Sony mirrorless APS-C size sensor camera with lens. It just doesn't make sense. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 25/08/2011 11:24 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: I get that you and many people don't like the looks of a big lens on a miniscule body. Aesthetics aside, for certain applications, specifically for me, backpacking where every ounce is an issue, this type of camera gives DSLR results and capabilities in a package that is somewhat larger than a PS and much smaller form factor and weight than a DSLR. But you are only saving on the body. The lenses are, from what I've seen, pretty big. What I want to know is what Pentax was thinking with the Q. If they ever wanted to make themselves look like a toy camera company and produce a camera that gives less bang for the buck, that's the way to do it. $800 for a tiny sensor mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with lens or $700 for a Sony mirrorless APS-C size sensor camera with lens. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to your North American male mindset. Pentax just posted some sample images from the Q on the Japanese website that look pretty darned good. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 11-08-25 1:24 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote: William Robb wrote: We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How new and improved is that. I'm thinking that this is a signal that Sony is dropping SLR cameras going forward and if you want to use your Maxxum mount lenses (did they change the name to Alpha?) then you will have to buy one of these monstrosities. I'm sure they're not abandoning their DLSR line as several new DSLR models were also announced. I get that you and many people don't like the looks of a big lens on a miniscule body. Aesthetics aside, for certain applications, specifically for me, backpacking where every ounce is an issue, this type of camera gives DSLR results and capabilities in a package that is somewhat larger than a PS and much smaller form factor and weight than a DSLR. I haven't seen the EVF of the NEX-7 since it hasn't been released. I'm not a big fan of EVF's, but I suspect that having the proper composition in the viewfinder will yield an acceptable recorded image, the majority of the time, just as not having to compose on an LCS screen works reasonably well in most cases. What I want to know is what Pentax was thinking with the Q. If they ever wanted to make themselves look like a toy camera company and produce a camera that gives less bang for the buck, that's the way to do it. $800 for a tiny sensor mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with lens or $700 for a Sony mirrorless APS-C size sensor camera with lens. It just doesn't make sense. Touché. :) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 25/08/2011 11:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Touché. :) Well, I suppose a Rolex gives a hundred times more bang for the buck than my Timex. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
From: P. J. Alling I haven't paid much attention to Sony's marketing strategy except to note that Sony seems to produce even more camera models than Canon, but let me submit this for discussion. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/08/sonys-big-mistake.html Applies to Pentax as well. Pentax's biggest problem (in my opinion) is the lack of lens options particularly in what would be considered professional grade glass. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
I guess I'll have to try some of the newer EVFs. Are their any you're aware whose lag is not an issue for action photography? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera The Coolpix 5700 was a long time ago, Ken. EVFs have become radically more responsive since then. G On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Have you used it for any action shots/? With a EVF I'm concerned about the lag between shutter button depression and the actual image capture, Myu only Experience with an EVF was with a Nikon Coolpix 5700 - a great little camera but almost totally useless for any sort of action capture due to the delay. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw Strangely enough I always get compliments and questions whenever I use it. It may LOOK unweildy with a largish lens attached but in use I have no problems. With the 14.2MP NEX-5, observed image quality was on par with a K-7 in a package about 1/3 the weight and size, which is extremely useful in some situations. Upping the ante to 24MP is amazing. I'm eagerly anticipating the test results when it finally gets some reviews. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
Pentax will sell some of the Qs. Then they will hopefully drop it down to it's natural price of $400. It's not a bad camera but it's a widely overpriced camera. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I guess I'll have to try some of the newer EVFs. Are their any you're aware whose lag is not an issue for action photography? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera The Coolpix 5700 was a long time ago, Ken. EVFs have become radically more responsive since then. G On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Have you used it for any action shots/? With a EVF I'm concerned about the lag between shutter button depression and the actual image capture, Myu only Experience with an EVF was with a Nikon Coolpix 5700 - a great little camera but almost totally useless for any sort of action capture due to the delay. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw Strangely enough I always get compliments and questions whenever I use it. It may LOOK unweildy with a largish lens attached but in use I have no problems. With the 14.2MP NEX-5, observed image quality was on par with a K-7 in a package about 1/3 the weight and size, which is extremely useful in some situations. Upping the ante to 24MP is amazing. I'm eagerly anticipating the test results when it finally gets some reviews. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. Jack - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:42 AM Subject: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. Don't belittle yourself Jack, you're not cheap. Jack - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:42 AM Subject: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 11-08-24 1:42 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote: As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
In some ways it's the rebirth of the Canon Pellix. On 8/24/2011 2:17 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. Jack - Original Message - From: Tom Cakaliccaka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:42 AM Subject: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 2011-08-24 12:17 , Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. the NEX-7 doesn't have a translucent mirror (the A-77 does) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
On 2011-08-24 12:26 , Bruce Walker wrote: I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. i agree; however the NX-7 body is a little larger, so there's no overlap; all the lenses still seem out of proportion to me; it baffles me that Sony is not producing the compact primes that would seem to best complement this camera; i am fascinated with the high res EVF -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
The Alpha to NEX lens adapter does however. On 8/24/2011 3:22 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-08-24 12:17 , Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. the NEX-7 doesn't have a translucent mirror (the A-77 does) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
No, no, it's my resolution that's cheap. Jack ;) - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. Don't belittle yourself Jack, you're not cheap. Jack - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:42 AM Subject: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all things considered may actually be good if image quality matches. http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
Oh!..ahem. 'scuse me and thanks, Steve. Jack - Original Message - From: steve harley p...@paper-ape.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:22 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera On 2011-08-24 12:17 , Jack Davis wrote: I have a, probably, unjustified repulsion to the idea of a translucent mirror. Have read a couple reviews in the recent past that report less than stellar resolution. But then I'm a cheap resolution whore. the NEX-7 doesn't have a translucent mirror (the A-77 does) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw Strangely enough I always get compliments and questions whenever I use it. It may LOOK unweildy with a largish lens attached but in use I have no problems. With the 14.2MP NEX-5, observed image quality was on par with a K-7 in a package about 1/3 the weight and size, which is extremely useful in some situations. Upping the ante to 24MP is amazing. I'm eagerly anticipating the test results when it finally gets some reviews. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
Have you used it for any action shots/? With a EVF I'm concerned about the lag between shutter button depression and the actual image capture, Myu only Experience with an EVF was with a Nikon Coolpix 5700 - a great little camera but almost totally useless for any sort of action capture due to the delay. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw Strangely enough I always get compliments and questions whenever I use it. It may LOOK unweildy with a largish lens attached but in use I have no problems. With the 14.2MP NEX-5, observed image quality was on par with a K-7 in a package about 1/3 the weight and size, which is extremely useful in some situations. Upping the ante to 24MP is amazing. I'm eagerly anticipating the test results when it finally gets some reviews. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera
The Coolpix 5700 was a long time ago, Ken. EVFs have become radically more responsive since then. G On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Have you used it for any action shots/? With a EVF I'm concerned about the lag between shutter button depression and the actual image capture, Myu only Experience with an EVF was with a Nikon Coolpix 5700 - a great little camera but almost totally useless for any sort of action capture due to the delay. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera http://dpreview.com/news/1108/11082419sonynex7overview.asp I may hold a very minority position on this, but I find the NEX-x design to be *really* ugly. The esthetics of having a large cylinder (the lens) attached to a smaller rectangle (the body), with like 5% overlap, just suck. It just looks like what happens when half the manufacturing is done in inches and half in metric. -bmw Strangely enough I always get compliments and questions whenever I use it. It may LOOK unweildy with a largish lens attached but in use I have no problems. With the 14.2MP NEX-5, observed image quality was on par with a K-7 in a package about 1/3 the weight and size, which is extremely useful in some situations. Upping the ante to 24MP is amazing. I'm eagerly anticipating the test results when it finally gets some reviews. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
