Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks for posting this, Bruce.  Maybe I will upgrade over the weekend.   
Cheers, Christine 



On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> For anyone following the saga, an update from the thread starter:
> well, so far, so good.
> 
> I installed 4.1RC2, played with it a bit--seemed okay. The very next
> day Adobe released 4.1 Final, so I installed *that* and have been
> working with it since. The huge delays are gone, thank goodness. I'm
> still trying stuff out, but so far it's working well for me on my
> aging iMac, 6GB RAM, Snow Leopard (10.6.8).
> 
> The Develop module is very nice to use. I've created some great images
> using it and can safely say it's an improvement over prior Lr
> versions. (Not that they were bad at all.)
> 
> If anything goes off the rails, I'll be back to rant. :)
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:15 AM, steve harley  wrote:
>> on 2012-05-29 9:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>> 
>>> Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
>>> suspect.
>> 
>> 
>> good guess — LR 4.1RC informed me just now that 4.1 final is available; the
>> release notes are very coy about any possible speed improvements, the only
>> relevant line being "Corrections for issues introduced in previous versions
>> of Lightroom."
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> For anyone following the saga, an update from the thread starter:
> well, so far, so good.
> 
> I installed 4.1RC2, played with it a bit--seemed okay. The very next
> day Adobe released 4.1 Final, so I installed *that* and have been

I had downloaded 4.1RC2 and was about to install it when Steve's message came 
through.

> working with it since. The huge delays are gone, thank goodness. I'm
> still trying stuff out, but so far it's working well for me on my
> aging iMac, 6GB RAM, Snow Leopard (10.6.8).

Sounds just like my system.  I looked into the 64 bit kernel, but it doesn't 
seem to be supported by my iMac 7.1

> 
> The Develop module is very nice to use. I've created some great images
> using it and can safely say it's an improvement over prior Lr
> versions. (Not that they were bad at all.)

I'm still learning it.

> 
> If anything goes off the rails, I'll be back to rant. :)
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:15 AM, steve harley  wrote:
>> on 2012-05-29 9:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>> 
>>> Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
>>> suspect.
>> 
>> 
>> good guess — LR 4.1RC informed me just now that 4.1 final is available; the
>> release notes are very coy about any possible speed improvements, the only
>> relevant line being "Corrections for issues introduced in previous versions
>> of Lightroom."
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

For anyone following the saga, an update from the thread starter:
well, so far, so good.

I installed 4.1RC2, played with it a bit--seemed okay. The very next
day Adobe released 4.1 Final, so I installed *that* and have been
working with it since. The huge delays are gone, thank goodness. I'm
still trying stuff out, but so far it's working well for me on my
aging iMac, 6GB RAM, Snow Leopard (10.6.8).

The Develop module is very nice to use. I've created some great images
using it and can safely say it's an improvement over prior Lr
versions. (Not that they were bad at all.)

If anything goes off the rails, I'll be back to rant. :)


On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:15 AM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2012-05-29 9:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>
>> Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
>> suspect.
>
>
> good guess — LR 4.1RC informed me just now that 4.1 final is available; the
> release notes are very coy about any possible speed improvements, the only
> relevant line being "Corrections for issues introduced in previous versions
> of Lightroom."
>
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 1, 2012, at 3:41, Larry Colen wrote:

> I did a bit of research on how to get it to boot in 64 bit mode and found 
> this link, but haven't tried it yet:
> http://macperformanceguide.com/SnowLeopard-64bit.html
> 

My Macbook3,1 WILL NOT boot in 64-bit mode no matter what I try.  It seems I'm 
not alone.

(I did succeed in getting it to lock up once, though.  With a McAfee-encrypted 
drive, that meant driving 20 miles to the other office to grab the "rescue boot 
USB stick" and get things sorted again.  Yikes).

I'm going to let it be for now and, as Godfrey stated, "throw money at the 
problem" later.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Larry Colen]

I did a bit of research on how to get it to boot in 64 bit mode and found this 
link, but haven't tried it yet:
http://macperformanceguide.com/SnowLeopard-64bit.html

On May 31, 2012, at 7:03 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Charles,
> 
> How much RAM do you have? and which version of the OS?
> 
> LR4 is a 64bit implementation. It runs best on Lion, and runs best on
> Snow Leopard when you have Snow Leopard set to boot up with the 64-bit
> kernel (it's set to the 32bit kernel by default).
> 
> 4G is enough RAM as long as most other stuff isn't running. I have
> tested it on a MacBook Air running Lion, but not with an 80,000 image
> catalog yet.
> 
> As reality check, I timed startup of LR4.1 on my MacBook Pro 13"
> system (1 year old, 2.4 Core Duo 2, 8G RAM, Lion, data on the external
> firewire 800 drive, catalog on the internal). From double click to
> ready to edit a new directory of raw files was 92 seconds.
> 
> The MBA did the same startup with a 5000 image catalog and external
> drive in about 30 seconds. More important, it runs smoothly on both
> systems after startup.
> 
> Your system is an older generation than my MacBook Pro 13", 2.5-3
> minutes for startup is likely fine. Time to throw money at the
> problem...
> 
> I'm planning to upgrade on the next round of MacBook Pro systems too.
> 
> G
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
>> On May 30, 2012, at 21:14, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> 
>>> Once Lr completes this operation, you have a fresh catalog and a
>>> freshly generated set of previews which are all well-formed. This will
>>> net the best possible performance, presuming the rest of the system is
>>> up to snuff.
>>> 
>> 
>> Sadly, something else is out of whack, because the new catalog takes just as 
>> long (2.5-3 minutes) to load as the original one.
>> 
>> I've got about 100 gig free on a 7200rpm drive in my 3.5-year-old Macbook 
>> with 4GB of RAM.
>> 
>> Sometime this year, the next step is going to be "throw hardware at the 
>> problem" but not yet, unfortunately.
>> 
>>  -Charles
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Charles,

How much RAM do you have? and which version of the OS?

LR4 is a 64bit implementation. It runs best on Lion, and runs best on
Snow Leopard when you have Snow Leopard set to boot up with the 64-bit
kernel (it's set to the 32bit kernel by default).

4G is enough RAM as long as most other stuff isn't running. I have
tested it on a MacBook Air running Lion, but not with an 80,000 image
catalog yet.

As reality check, I timed startup of LR4.1 on my MacBook Pro 13"
system (1 year old, 2.4 Core Duo 2, 8G RAM, Lion, data on the external
firewire 800 drive, catalog on the internal). From double click to
ready to edit a new directory of raw files was 92 seconds.

The MBA did the same startup with a 5000 image catalog and external
drive in about 30 seconds. More important, it runs smoothly on both
systems after startup.

Your system is an older generation than my MacBook Pro 13", 2.5-3
minutes for startup is likely fine. Time to throw money at the
problem...

I'm planning to upgrade on the next round of MacBook Pro systems too.

G

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 30, 2012, at 21:14, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> Once Lr completes this operation, you have a fresh catalog and a
>> freshly generated set of previews which are all well-formed. This will
>> net the best possible performance, presuming the rest of the system is
>> up to snuff.
>>
>
> Sadly, something else is out of whack, because the new catalog takes just as 
> long (2.5-3 minutes) to load as the original one.
>
> I've got about 100 gig free on a 7200rpm drive in my 3.5-year-old Macbook 
> with 4GB of RAM.
>
> Sometime this year, the next step is going to be "throw hardware at the 
> problem" but not yet, unfortunately.
>
>  -Charles
>
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Stan Halpin]

I have a "late-2006" iMac with 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 gb memory. Before I 
bought this machine, I had for years used a Powerbook as my only computer, but 
I needed to upgrade in order to handle LR and the like. I understand that newer 
better (?) program versions are going to use more code, exhibit some feature 
bloat, and possibly require upgrades to processors, OS, and/or memory. But LR 
in particular bugs me because it was touted as a modular program, and I would 
think that the individual modules could still be reasonably svelte and speedy. 
I haven't gone from LR3 to LR4 in part because I saw no improvements worth 
paying for, in part because of concerns about speed, memory etc. I am sure I'll 
get there sooner or later though, and am glad you all are working through the 
issues!

stan

On May 29, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Looks like I'll have to add some memory to my iMac before upgrading.  I have 
> 4 gigs of ram--probably upgrade to 8 just to be on the safe side.   Thanks 
> for mentioning this, Bruce.   Cheers, Christine
> 
> On May 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
> 
>> I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
>> like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
>> Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
>> just need more memory. -T
>> 
>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>>> so dog-slow.
>>> 


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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That sounds like the .LRCAT file needs to be cleaned up or the
.LRPDATA repository needs to be regenerated.
My working catalog now manages 96,000 image files, mostly raw data,
with good performance.

Godfrey

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Been testing it since it released.
>>
>> Seems much improved performance, certainly over the original LR4
>> release, but also over the LR4.1RC2 version. The interface seems to
>> smoothly and without the momentary hesitations that I was seeing with
>> RC2.
>>
>
> I was good with RC2, but I got a lot of spinny rainbows once I loaded 4.1 
> official.  :-(
>
> I tested something - I exported just my 2012 images (2000 or so) into a new 
> catalog.
>
> My new catalog loads (firing up LR4 with that as my last-opened catalog) in 
> about 8 seconds and is snappy.
>
> My other catalog (approx 70,000 images) loads in 2.5 MINUTES and gives me 
> many spinny rainbows as I move about.
>
> I guess for now I'll just have a cumulative/merged catalog for when I need to 
> dig into the archives, and a "current" catalog for getting work done in a 
> reasonable timeframe.
>
>  -Charles
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Charles Robinson]

On May 30, 2012, at 10:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Been testing it since it released.
> 
> Seems much improved performance, certainly over the original LR4
> release, but also over the LR4.1RC2 version. The interface seems to
> smoothly and without the momentary hesitations that I was seeing with
> RC2.
> 

I was good with RC2, but I got a lot of spinny rainbows once I loaded 4.1 
official.  :-(

I tested something - I exported just my 2012 images (2000 or so) into a new 
catalog.

My new catalog loads (firing up LR4 with that as my last-opened catalog) in 
about 8 seconds and is snappy.

My other catalog (approx 70,000 images) loads in 2.5 MINUTES and gives me many 
spinny rainbows as I move about.

I guess for now I'll just have a cumulative/merged catalog for when I need to 
dig into the archives, and a "current" catalog for getting work done in a 
reasonable timeframe.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Been testing it since it released.

Seems much improved performance, certainly over the original LR4
release, but also over the LR4.1RC2 version. The interface seems to
smoothly and without the momentary hesitations that I was seeing with
RC2.

I'll be beating up the book module this evening.

G

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:15 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2012-05-29 9:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>
>> Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
>> suspect.
>
>
> good guess — LR 4.1RC informed me just now that 4.1 final is available; the
> release notes are very coy about any possible speed improvements, the only
> relevant line being "Corrections for issues introduced in previous versions
> of Lightroom."
>
> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-29 9:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
suspect.


good guess — LR 4.1RC informed me just now that 4.1 final is available; the 
release notes are very coy about any possible speed improvements, the only 
relevant line being "Corrections for issues introduced in previous versions of 
Lightroom."




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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Larry Colen]

On May 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> On May 29, 2012, at 5:08 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> 
>> I wish it were so simple, Tim.
>> 
>> Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
>> it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
> 
> That sounds very much like my machine.
> 
>> a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
>> of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
>> drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
>> drive.
> 
> Very similar to my setup.  2.4 GHz core 2 duo iMac, of about the same 
> vintage,  6GB ram, external drive, catalog on the internal drive.

OS 10.6.8
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Larry Colen]

On May 29, 2012, at 5:08 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> I wish it were so simple, Tim.
> 
> Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
> it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even

That sounds very much like my machine.

> a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
> of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
> drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
> drive.

Very similar to my setup.  2.4 GHz core 2 duo iMac, of about the same vintage,  
6GB ram, external drive, catalog on the internal drive.

> 
> The other maddening thing is that one time I fired up Lr 4 it was
> quite perky. Sliders were smooth acting and responsive. But 3 of 4
> times launching it, it's crazy sluggish.

I've definitely noticed the machine is getting slower, but not unusably so.  I 
do split my work into a smaller working catalog, and the big everything 
catalog. 

I'd very much like to fork my working catalog, and make a newer, smaller 
version.  Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to do that without losing all 
the Publish Services that I've set up.

 One annoyance is that the JF facebook plug-in doesn't work.  The FB plugin 
that comes with LR4 works pretty well though, except for the bit where it'll 
take a minute or so to actually do something once I click on "create a 
collection".


> 
> Almost nothing worse than inconsistency.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
>> like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
>> Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
>> just need more memory. -T
>> 
>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>>> so dog-slow.
>>> 
>>> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
>>> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
>>> functionally a Good Thing.
>>> 
>>> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
>>> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
>>> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
>>> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
>>> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>>> 
>>> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
>>> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>>> 
>>> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
>>> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
>>> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
>>> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
>>> 6! Shit.
>>> 
>>> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've done all my photo work in 4.1RC2 for several weeks now. It's much
more responsive than 4.0. Still not quite at LR3 level on some things,
but there's a lot of debug code in it still.

(It's long since my software development engineering days, nowadays I
just document development tools. I have a lot of empathy for the
struggle that engineering has to deal with on these mega-sized,
complex software products.)

G

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> I'm running 4.0, Godfrey, the current shipping product. Thanks for
> pointing out that 4.1RC2 -- I'm going to try it ASAP.
>
> This morning I was editing an image that I had retouched in CS5, I
> made a virtual copy and turned that B&W. It was all working
> flawlessly. I thought maybe I'd done something, like re-optimizing the
> catalog, to fix it. But no! After I shut down and restarted Lr just
> now it came up in like-a-slug mode again. Argh.
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> wrote:
>> Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
>> two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
>> and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
>> suspect.
>>
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html
>>
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

Try it, Christine, but I couldn't live without 6GB now, and I'd rather
have 8GB if my (older) iMac would accept it.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Hmmm, I have Lion version 10.7.4,   2.5 GHz Core i5.  Wonder if I'd be ok 
> without a memory upgrade given your comments about RAM.  Cheers, Christine
>
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>
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> On May 29, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>
>> Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
>> and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.
>>
>> But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
>> of other things.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen  wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker  
>>> wrote:
 Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
 it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
 a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
 of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
 drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
 drive.
>>>
>>> What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
>>> since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
>>> run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
>>> hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...
>>>
>>> -Mat
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

I'm running 4.0, Godfrey, the current shipping product. Thanks for
pointing out that 4.1RC2 -- I'm going to try it ASAP.

This morning I was editing an image that I had retouched in CS5, I
made a virtual copy and turned that B&W. It was all working
flawlessly. I thought maybe I'd done something, like re-optimizing the
catalog, to fix it. But no! After I shut down and restarted Lr just
now it came up in like-a-slug mode again. Argh.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
> two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
> and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
> suspect.
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

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Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
suspect.

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

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Bruce, no problems here. iMac 21.5"

Dave

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> so dog-slow.
>

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

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Hmmm, I have Lion version 10.7.4,   2.5 GHz Core i5.  Wonder if I'd be ok 
without a memory upgrade given your comments about RAM.  Cheers, Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
> and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.
> 
> But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
> of other things.
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen  wrote:
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
>>> it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
>>> a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
>>> of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
>>> drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
>>> drive.
>> 
>> What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
>> since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
>> run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
>> hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...
>> 
>> -Mat
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Christine Aguila]

Looks like I'll have to add some memory to my iMac before upgrading.  I have 4 
gigs of ram--probably upgrade to 8 just to be on the safe side.   Thanks for 
mentioning this, Bruce.   Cheers, Christine



On May 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
> like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
> Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
> just need more memory. -T
> 
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>> so dog-slow.
>> 
>> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
>> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
>> functionally a Good Thing.
>> 
>> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
>> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
>> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
>> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
>> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>> 
>> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
>> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>> 
>> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
>> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
>> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
>> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
>> 6! Shit.
>> 
>> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
>> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

You and me both, Derby! :-)

And It's going to be location stuff for a while anyway until I can get
settled into a studio space. I'm working on that.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Derby Chang  wrote:
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.

But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
of other things.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen  wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
>> it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
>> a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
>> of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
>> drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
>> drive.
>
> What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
> since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
> run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
> hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

When I select an image and choose "Edit in Ps CS5" it pops up a
warning that I need to upgrade Camera RAW to 7.0. Choices are Edit
Anyway, Let Lr Render or cancel. Googling this topic suggests that
colour shifts were occurring when using this, so I'm very wary.

Right now I'm testing out one of my Hollywood Glam shots. I told it to
let Lr render the image under that assumption that Ps can't get
confused with a TIFF file. It doesn't have to feed that through its
older Camera RAW. If this works okay, I can choose a check-box that
disables the warning in future.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Derby Chang  wrote:
>
> Geez, that's bad. I upgraded to LR4 about same time as going to Win7 64bit,
> so there wasn't much of a speed hump. More memory definitely helps, but a
> fast disk for the lightroom catalog zips things along too.
>
> I know you are a heavy user of PS. What are the incompatibilities? I'm still
> on CS3, but then I only use it to scan in negs, do some dust spotting, and
> then I import into LR. Raw conversion I leave to LR.
>
> Hope you can get back to some real studio work soon.
>
>
>
>
> On 29/05/2012 11:11 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>> so dog-slow.
>>
>> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
>> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
>> functionally a Good Thing.
>>
>> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
>> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
>> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
>> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
>> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>>
>> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
>> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>>
>> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
>> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
>> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
>> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
>> 6! Shit.
>>
>> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
>>
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Mat Maessen]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
> it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
> a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
> of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
> drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
> drive.

What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bruce Walker]

I wish it were so simple, Tim.

Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
drive.

The other maddening thing is that one time I fired up Lr 4 it was
quite perky. Sliders were smooth acting and responsive. But 3 of 4
times launching it, it's crazy sluggish.

Almost nothing worse than inconsistency.


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
> like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
> Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
> just need more memory. -T
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>> so dog-slow.
>>
>> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
>> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
>> functionally a Good Thing.
>>
>> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
>> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
>> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
>> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
>> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>>
>> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
>> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>>
>> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
>> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
>> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
>> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
>> 6! Shit.
>>
>> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
>>
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Derby Chang]

Geez, that's bad. I upgraded to LR4 about same time as going to Win7 
64bit, so there wasn't much of a speed hump. More memory definitely 
helps, but a fast disk for the lightroom catalog zips things along too.


I know you are a heavy user of PS. What are the incompatibilities? I'm 
still on CS3, but then I only use it to scan in negs, do some dust 
spotting, and then I import into LR. Raw conversion I leave to LR.


Hope you can get back to some real studio work soon.



On 29/05/2012 11:11 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
so dog-slow.

I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
functionally a Good Thing.

But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.

Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!

Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
6! Shit.

Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.

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RE: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Bob W]

I've had no problem with it on my system. A few versions ago I had problems 
with response times, but that was because I didn't have a powerful enough 
machine for it. I upgraded the machine and OS and everything was tickety-boo.

B

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> 
> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
> so dog-slow.
> 
> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
> functionally a Good Thing.
> 
> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
> 
> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
> 
> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to 6!
> Shit.
> 
> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Jeffery Smith]

I just upgraded to a new iMac with 8gb of memory, and it is painful to use the 
previous iMac at work (even with an upgraded 3gb of memory). 

But don't ever minimize the capacity of software companies to make your brand 
new hardware insufficient. Can you imagine if PhotoShop or Lightroom had to be 
distributed on 1.44mb floppy disks? 

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On May 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
> like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
> Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
> just need more memory. -T
> 
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
>> so dog-slow.
>> 
>> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
>> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
>> functionally a Good Thing.
>> 
>> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
>> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
>> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
>> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
>> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>> 
>> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
>> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>> 
>> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
>> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
>> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
>> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
>> 6! Shit.
>> 
>> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
>> 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

[Tim Bray]

I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
just need more memory. -T

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
> so dog-slow.
>
> I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
> myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
> functionally a Good Thing.
>
> But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
> slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
> get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
> damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this "upgrade" and begin
> finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
>
> Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
> complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
>
> Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
> with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
> CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
> warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
> 6! Shit.
>
> Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
>
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> -bmw
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