Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-31 Thread Jody

I'm with Annsan. I thought it was a bit sad too, that
he (I forget who) has to improve the view of the world
through his photos. There is so much beauty in the
world anyway, and the thought that maybe he hasn't
seen as much of it as other people is a bit sad.
Although it sounds a nice idea. I just wish I could
create a more perfect life through photography.

Finally, of course people should be able to critique
another's sentence. It doesn't necessarily mean we
disagree. I don't think Annsan did disagree, just that
she has probably seen less hardship than him. And I
know if it was something that other people did agree
with, it would be considered perfectly acceptable for
them to say so.

Jody. 
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-31 Thread Jody

Sorry to be a touch holier than thou, but actually
that is sashimi they have been enjoying for
thousands of years. Sushi is the stuff rolled in rice
and seaweed. Sashimi is the raw fish. It is a very
common mistake. But I think we should stop now, I am
getting major sushi (and sashimi) cravings and you
can't buy it easily here in little old Gisborne. I can
make it (sort of) but can't really be bothered just
now.

Jody.

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 Bears and certain waterfowl have been eating sushi
 for thousands of
 years. 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-31 Thread Jody

Reading that 2 days later, I realise it may have been
misconstrued as my attitude to photography. Actually
it was to meaningless, endless surveys. But having
read  the replies so far, I apologise. I think this
survey would have achieved some of the best replies
ever. I am pretty impressed with the thought most of
you have put into it. Keep it up.

Jody.

--- Jody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Arrggghhh!! Not another one.
 
 --- Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi.
  
  Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere
  right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a
  Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary,
 natch,
  but the results could be interesting.
  
  It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that
  sentence, tell us why you photograph. No
  restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple
  and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey.
 It
  just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it
  started:
  
  I have a need to show everyone else what I see.
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele

At this point i imagine only you and I and Jody are reading
this :)
I'm happy indeed Paul -- just need a few more places to roll
out my 
bedding on my way to and from the Grand Canyon, and get the
house all
spiffed up for my friends who will be here while I'm gone.

annsan


PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 You forgot who? Jody, I'm crushed.
 But my point was that I believe a photograph should make something more
 moving than it really looks. Sometimes that means more beautiful,
 sometimes more dark and depressing. The photograph shouldn't just be a
 xerox copy of the original; it should provide some kind of visual
 enhancement, achieved through photographic techniques. But that's just
 the way I see photography. It's not sad. (I'm quite happy, really I am.)
 In any case, I don't want to revisit this in detail, but I agree that
 comments in regard to another photographer's sentence should be welcome.
 I enjoyed the discussion, but it has run its course. And I'm not sure
 that Ann has seen less hardship than have I. My life is pretty darn good
 at the moment. And I hope both yours and Anns are as well.
 Paul Stenquist
 
 Jody wrote:
 
  I'm with Annsan. I thought it was a bit sad too, that
  he (I forget who) has to improve the view of the world
  through his photos. There is so much beauty in the
  world anyway, and the thought that maybe he hasn't
  seen as much of it as other people is a bit sad.
  Although it sounds a nice idea. I just wish I could
  create a more perfect life through photography.
 
  Finally, of course people should be able to critique
  another's sentence. It doesn't necessarily mean we
  disagree. I don't think Annsan did disagree, just that
  she has probably seen less hardship than him. And I
  know if it was something that other people did agree
  with, it would be considered perfectly acceptable for
  them to say so.
 
  Jody.
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-30 Thread Jody

Arrggghhh!! Not another one.

--- Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi.
 
 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere
 right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a
 Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch,
 but the results could be interesting.
 
 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that
 sentence, tell us why you photograph. No
 restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple
 and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It
 just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it
 started:
 
 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-30 Thread Jody

I'm sorry, but I have the need to go to bed :)

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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:

 Bears and certain waterfowl have been eating sushi for thousands of
 years.

I think that would be sashimi.
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-29 Thread PAUL STENQUIST



Shel wrote:
 

  PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
  
  and Shel objected to the premise of the sentence.
 
 No I didn't.  I just asked for an explanation.  

I tried to answer your post from memory. I had opened it at work, and
I'm unable to reply on that system, so I didn't have it in front of me
when I answered. Sorry if I misrepresented you. 
Paul
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-29 Thread Edmptx

In a message dated 8/29/2001 1:28:15 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Ed,
  
  Your post reminds me of an old quote:
  
  This is my way,
  That is your way,
  There is no such thing
  As The Way.
   Ram Dass, IIRC
  
  --graywolf

Precisely!
Thanks,
Ed M. 
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-29 Thread Ann Sanfedele



Bob Walkden wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't think they ate sushi back in the FSA days, did they?

Well I'm sure they did in Japan , Bob. g
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-29 Thread PAUL STENQUIST



Bob Walkden wrote:
 

 
 What he's saying is: don't gild the lily; let the subject be itself,
 and try to reveal it with utmost clarity.
 

But that's only one way of looking at something. Dali and Picasso
certainly didn't subscribe to that, nor did Ansel Adams for that matter.
Of course Ansel isn't PC any more. The snapshot snipers are much more in
vogue these days. But all things come full circle.
Paul
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-29 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

Bears and certain waterfowl have been eating sushi for thousands of
years. 
Paul

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 Bob Walkden wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I don't think they ate sushi back in the FSA days, did they?
 
 Well I'm sure they did in Japan , Bob. g
 annsan
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele



PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
The photograph is never going to replace
the reality - is never going to surpass it in beauty or in
ugliness or pain.
 


 My point is that a photograph can surpass reality in beauty or ugliness
 or pain. So too, fine art. Do you believe that the historic David was
 more beautiful than Michaelangelo's rendering of him? A photograph of a
 simple flower can be prettier than the flower might actually be. The
 colors can be more vibrant, the lighting more refined, the background
 thrown out of focus in a way that the human eye can't achieve on its
 own. Of course artful photography (which I certainly have not mastered)
 is not the only appropriate use of a camera. Recording things exactly as
 one sees them is a noble pursuit as well. But neither is necessarily
 better than the other. Nor are those of us who attempt to alter reality
 unfortunate or sad in any way.
What is truly unfortunate is that so many people have become so
 dogmatic about what they believe that they fail to understand or accept
 the beliefs of others.
 -

Ouch! Paul, you don't know me personally at all.  This is an
intellectual
debate - it is the old what is art thing... I'd be a poor
artist if I didn't
think that my view was correct.  You certainly should
believe yours is correct.  You are entitled to yours. (um,
am I overreating to your last paragraph?  A little defensive
maybe?  Maybe g)

The line of mine,above, whre you quoted me is out of
context, of course, Hope
if some respond to it it is not with a knee jerk reaction. 
I was really dealing
with some very specific things and , I thought, carrying
Shel's initial point
further.  

Where a photograph may go beyond what was in front of the
photographer when
the shutter was released may, indeed, turn something mundane
into something
that approaches or is art because of the combination of
selection, light and
tone and because there is a moment in time that is frozen
and can be looked at
over and over. But the rabbit was in the hat.  The art (or
craft) of the photographer is to pull the rabbit out of that
to show to people that didn't see it to begin
with on their own. 

I wish you didn't sound so angry about all of this - it is
hard to communicate
here sometimes with only type and not expression and tone. 
I feel I use rather
colorful language to get my point across but I think I'm
being dispassionate and
thoughtful in relaying it.

And now, alas, I have to go to the dentist and lose a
tooth.  Not a pretty
picture.

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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-28 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I photograph because I like to capture the beauty I see.

Frits

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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread PAUL STENQUIST



Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 

 I wish you didn't sound so angry about all of this - it is
 hard to communicate
 here sometimes with only type and not expression and tone.
 I feel I use rather
 colorful language to get my point across but I think I'm
 being dispassionate and
 thoughtful in relaying it.

I am not angry. Yet I have not seen anything from you or Shel that would
even begin to demonstrate why photography -- or art -- cannot improve on
reality. Yes, the rabbit has to be in the hat, but the magic that makes
him interesting is in the mind and the technique of the magician. The
magic is superior to the reality of the rabbit's mudane existence. If my
last paragraph made _you_ angry, perhaps that is because it chastised a
bit for labeling my approach to photography sad and unfortunate. But
I am not angry. Yes, it is an old argument, but it is an unsettled one,
and there are many valid opinions attendant to it.
Paul
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele



PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 
  I wish you didn't sound so angry about all of this - it is
  hard to communicate
  here sometimes with only type and not expression and tone.
  I feel I use rather
  colorful language to get my point across but I think I'm
  being dispassionate and
  thoughtful in relaying it.
 
 I am not angry. Yet I have not seen anything from you or Shel that would
 even begin to demonstrate why photography -- or art -- cannot improve on
 reality. Yes, the rabbit has to be in the hat, but the magic that makes
 him interesting is in the mind and the technique of the magician. The
 magic is superior to the reality of the rabbit's mudane existence. If my
 last paragraph made _you_ angry, perhaps that is because it chastised a
 bit for labeling my approach to photography sad and unfortunate.

my OUCH was from hurt not anger - like you stepped on my
toe.  Honest, Paul,
I meant it was unfortunate or sad because you felt what was
around you in the
world needed improvement, rather than celebration. Ive
looked at all your pix
in the Pug gallery and the one you took looking at the dawn
breaking over
the mountains is a nice shot, but do _you_ feel that it is
an improvement
over what you enjoyed when you are actually there? It is
evocative to be
because I have been there and seen that and that kind of
thing - but I'd
rather be there myself than look at a photo of it.  Thats
really all I meant
when we started.  sure sorry I said sad though.  I'm much
better at comedy. 

The b/w shot with the inside/outside theme makes a strong
case for your
improvement but also my rabbit. You saw the potential for
a statement in
what existed.   You brought it to our attention and showed
craft in the
realization of it.

 But
 I am not angry. Yes, it is an old argument, but it is an unsettled one,
 and there are many valid opinions attendant to it.
 Paul

Yup - but you sounded angry - guess we both did.  sigh. 
Happy shooting.

annsan


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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Edmptx

In a message dated 8/28/2001 2:18:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yup - but you sounded angry - guess we both did.  sigh. 
  Happy shooting.
  
  annsan
  

Since the original request was for one-liners stating a personal reason for 
photography, why did you or anyone else critique his statement? His reason 
need not be yours; neither does it need your approval (or mine). A modicum of 
respect for a different attitude/approach would have removed the need to 
respond. 

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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Bucky

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Very well said.

 Since the original request was for one-liners stating a personal reason
for
 photography, why did you or anyone else critique his statement? His reason
 need not be yours; neither does it need your approval (or mine). A modicum
of
 respect for a different attitude/approach would have removed the need to
 respond.


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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Ed - I was in a bad place myself when I wrote it - and
sent it before I realised it went public -- then it seemed
it should stay that way 
just to clear the air.  I didn't think I'd get pummeled for
it. I was not the first
to respond, either.  My original response was IF you really
mean that it is very sad  I really didnt think he did mean
it, and he did clarify the perfect stuff.
I had no idea how sensitive he seemed to me to be in his
responses.  Then it became
a what is art bit and I thought my extended title would
lighten the whole thing
up a bit.  

Why would anyone start a thread that was not meant to
provoke some kind of response
or debate, Ed?  I do feel passionately about one issue,
which,I don't think is
beside the point in this forum, which is simply that making
art is a very subjective thing.  I don't think Paul, even
though we disagree on some stuff, would consider
that it was inappropriate to discuss it - but maybe I'm
wrong.  

I'm in a horrible place right now, so perhaps it isn't good
to write.  

annsan 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 8/28/2001 2:18:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Yup - but you sounded angry - guess we both did.  sigh.
   Happy shooting.
 
   annsan
 
 
 Since the original request was for one-liners stating a personal reason for
 photography, why did you or anyone else critique his statement? His reason
 need not be yours; neither does it need your approval (or mine). A modicum of
 respect for a different attitude/approach would have removed the need to
 respond.
 
 Ed Matthew
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

2001-08-28 Thread Bob Blakely

Folks without opinions and passion for opinions are boring to me. Agree or disagree? 
Who
cares! Stir the blood! The heat of debate brings out views we might never otherwise 
see.

Regards,
Bob...
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In the carboniferous epoch
we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' 
--Rudyard Kipling

From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Ed - I was in a bad place myself when I wrote it - and
 sent it before I realised it went public -- then it seemed
 it should stay that way
 just to clear the air.  I didn't think I'd get pummeled for
 it. I was not the first
 to respond, either.  My original response was IF you really
 mean that it is very sad  I really didnt think he did mean
 it, and he did clarify the perfect stuff.
 I had no idea how sensitive he seemed to me to be in his
 responses.  Then it became
 a what is art bit and I thought my extended title would
 lighten the whole thing
 up a bit.

 Why would anyone start a thread that was not meant to
 provoke some kind of response
 or debate, Ed?  I do feel passionately about one issue,
 which,I don't think is
 beside the point in this forum, which is simply that making
 art is a very subjective thing.  I don't think Paul, even
 though we disagree on some stuff, would consider
 that it was inappropriate to discuss it - but maybe I'm
 wrong.

 I'm in a horrible place right now, so perhaps it isn't good
 to write.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  In a message dated 8/28/2001 2:18:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Yup - but you sounded angry - guess we both did.  sigh.
Happy shooting.
  
  Since the original request was for one-liners stating a personal reason for
  photography, why did you or anyone else critique his statement? His reason
  need not be yours; neither does it need your approval (or mine). A modicum of
  respect for a different attitude/approach would have removed the need to
  respond.


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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art? - safe to read :)

2001-08-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele



PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 Please don't be hurt. I didn't mean to be harsh, just emphatic.

annsan replies:
Ditto re my comments to you.

Paul sez
 I do
 think the dawn photo is slightly enhanced from what I actually saw. The
 color is more saturated due to a slight underexposure and the use of a
 polarizer. And the perspective is altered by the use of a lens that is
 slightly wider than normal vision. So from a purely visual point of
 view, the photograph surpasses the reality. If one considers all the
 variety of things that might affect one in a given place, it is of
 course more stimulating to witness something in person. And I recall how
 invigorating it was to be on that mountain at dawn. 
It was certainly a
 much more moving experience than one can ever achieve by merely viewing
 a photograph.

ann sez
Yup - that was the main message I was clumsily trying to
make, Paul.


Paul said
 We probably are much closer to agreement that one might
 imagine given our exchange of e-mails. Have a very pleasant evening.
 Paul

ann sez
 U 2 -
well, where I am its a bit past evening now :)

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-28 Thread Creature's Comfort

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
  I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
  things I see.
 
 and Shel objected to the premise of the sentence.

No I didn't.  I just asked for an explanation.  I said that your
comment was difficult for me to understand, and asked how a photograph
could be more perfect than what exists in the real world.  I asked if
one could make a more perfect flower, etc. Where did I object to what
you wrote?

   That's difficult for me to understand.  How can a photograph be
more
   perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real
world's
   imperfections?  Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more
perfect
   human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing
an
   image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of
paper?

Only questions.  No challenges to your point of view, no arguments, no
judgments. Only questions.

Some have noted that I've been silent in this thread, and the reason
I've not made any further comments is that the issues raised don't
interest me.  Paul answered my questions, clarified his answers, and
that's fine with me.  That's all I wanted.
 
-- 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Tim S Kemp

Memories fade faster than Crystal Archive.

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Muse is a meanie who keeps nagging and poking and prodding me
and reminding me to make pictures and music, and when I manage 
to ignore those, she becomes a temptress, dresses up in available
light, and dangles sultry sounds and seductive image ideas before
me until the tools of my craft, guitar and camera, rise up unbidden 
in my hands to do her bidding even as I attempt to resist her charms.
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread David S.

I photograph to put the outdoors that I love onto film.

David S.

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Anand DHUPKAR

Photography to me is a blend of artistic creativity  technological 
expertise that fulfills my childhood dream to show to people the things I 
‘see’, which I could not pursue when I found I was not really that talented 
artist and won’t be able to make living with it and realized that I don’t 
have that much time to do the painting.




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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Bill D. Casselberry


Show Me the Money!   !8^)

(... of course there's always pretty girls  friends, too) 


Bill  

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Bob Poe

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread William Robb

I see, therefore I photograph.
William Robb

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Sas Gabor

I have so many reasons to photograph, that I have none.


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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

I do photograph because it's easier for me than talking, and as
much necessary as breathing.

Gianfranco

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Jeff

Snap, cracle, pop, oh n!

Jeff.

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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.

I want a reminder of at least a small percentage of what I have seen
and experienced, especially as forgetful as I am.

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Brewer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  One Sentence
 
 Hi.
 
 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd
 jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary,
 natch, but the results could be interesting.
 
 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
 photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
 declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a
 sentence. I'll even get it started:
 
 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.
 
 thanks,
 
 Doug
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 Ashwood Lake Photography
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
 things I see.

That's difficult for me to understand.  How can a photograph be more
perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real world's
imperfections?  Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more perfect
human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing an
image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of paper?
-- 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Bruce Dayton

I'm guessing that he really is meaning to expose to the viewer a different
perspective that he would otherwise might not have seen.  There is wonder
and beauty all around us if we but take the time to explore and recognize.
Photography can be a way to encourage people to do so.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: One Sentence


 PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
  I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
  things I see.

 That's difficult for me to understand.  How can a photograph be more
 perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real world's
 imperfections?  Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more perfect
 human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing an
 image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of paper?
 --
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

I can... :-D

Gianfranco


Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 That's difficult for me to understand.  How can a photograph
be more
 perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real
world's
 imperfections?  Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more
perfect
 human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by
capturing an
 image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of
paper?
 -- 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Ernest Alejandria

I take pictures for the memory, for the time when I couldn't make one 
anymore.

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Eric Lawton

Why do I photograph?

I see, therefore I photograph.
William Robb

This was the first thought I had. Those exact words.

I photograph to emphasize the ordinary and make it extraordinary.

Eric Lawton


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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Richard Klein

Well, given that I never seem to get around to actually getting my exposed
rolls *developed*, I'd have to say I take pictures because I love the feel
of the various mechanisms in an SLR working.

   -Rich


Doug Brewer wrote:
 Hi.
 
 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I 
 thought I'd jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All 
 strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could be interesting.
 
 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell 
 us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It 
 can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian 
 odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started:
 
 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Cotty

My future aspirations based solely on the past.

Cotty

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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Doug Brewer wrote:
 Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph

OK, I'm game.  The answer could vary depending on when and where you ask,
but if I had to distill it down to one essential sentence, it might be
something like the following:

I photograph in order to capture the moment for myself, to convey the
feeling to others, to drive home the fundamental essence of a point of view,
in a creative and succinct fashion not possible with the written or spoken
word.

(And of course, because it's fun, and because it's a creative outlet that
lets me use my hands as well as my brain.  Oops, that's a second sentence.)

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Cory or Brenda Waters

I may want to see the people and things around me today, tomorrow.

Cory Waters
Atlanta, GA USA
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Robert Woerner

I notice subtle details through the viewfinder of a camera that I might
otherwise miss through casual observation.

Rob Woerner
- Original Message -
From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: One Sentence


 Hi.

 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd
jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch,
but the results could be interesting.

 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a
sentence. I'll even get it started:

 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.

 thanks,

 Doug
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 Ashwood Lake Photography
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Bob Blakely

Well, then, you don't need film - or a camera fro that matter. Just a
viewfinder! Think of the savings!

From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I notice subtle details through the viewfinder of a camera that I might
 otherwise miss through casual observation.


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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Chris Niesmertelny

It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph.

I want to capture for permanence a vista or moment in time that I think I
see in my mind's eye.



Chris



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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele



PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
 things I see.
 

I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so.

annsan
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread PAUL STENQUIST



PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
 things I see.
 

and Shel objected to the premise of the sentence. 

Unfortunately, I was unable to reply when I had Shel's message in hand,
but his main contention seemed to be that a photograph cannot possibly
improve upon reality, it can only hope to capture it. First, let me say
that I expressed my thought poorly. More perfect is itself irrational.
Perfect is an absolute, therefore nothing is more perfect. I should
have said an enhanced version or even an interpretive version,
because I do not always attempt to improve upon reality. Sometimes I
want to degrade it. It all depends on what I hope to communicate. But I
must disagree with Shel's observation that nothing two-dimensional, on
paper, can improve upon the real thing. When I photograph a woman who is
not beautiful to the naked eye, I attempt to make her appear beautiful
in the picture. If I photograph a landscape at sunset, I might attempt
to use the color of the late day light and perhaps a bit of lens flare
to make the picture more dramatic than the scene appeared to the naked
eye. I don't know if that means that the photograph is an improvement
over reality. But it can certainly be a more attractive depiction of
reality. Technique used with enhancement in mind is even applicable in
the most mundane photographic assignments. I remember when I was working
at Hearst, and I was told to photograph some awards that Motor Magazine
was presenting to service mechanics. Well, the trophies were quite a
boring lot of metal and plastic, so I created some pinpoints of light in
the metal, then used a cross hair filter to achieve some starbursts.
Yes, it was a cheap photographic trick, but the trophies in the
photograph were more attractive than the actual hardware. And that is a
joy to me.
Paul Stenquist
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Bucky

Isn't that a bit of an overreaction?  What can possibly be very sad about
it?

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From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: One Sentence


  I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
  things I see.

 I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so.


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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

Aside from my sloppy comparative use of the absolute perfect. (it
_was_early in the morning :-), I meant exactly what I said. And it is
certainly not sad, at least not to me. If your reality is always
beautiful, always worth preserving exactly as it is, then you are a very
fortunate woman. My reality has not always been so nice. I've
experienced a lot of ugly things and have had to dig my way out of some
pretty deep holes. Along the way I've found that imagination can save
the soul. Painting a new and prettier world can heal a lot of wounds. 
  But we all do that to some extent. Even Shel's pictures of street
people don't fully capture the stench of reality (although that may be
his objective). The running sores are hidden beneath the soiled
clothing. The poverty is depicted only in terms of circumstantial
evidence. There is no burning, empty pit at the bottom of a stomach. A
picture of a neon sign on a New York street corner can be warm and
appealing. Yet the reality of that street corner might harbor untold
misery and danger, incalculable cold and deprivation. Photography can
and does present an improved version of reality. And that's a good thing.
Paul Stenquist

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
  I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
  things I see.
 
 
 I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so.
 
 annsan
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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread D. Sheetz

I enjoy the challenge of trying to take an excellent photogragh, from both
the technical and creative standpoint.
Dan Sheetz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brewer
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: One Sentence


Hi.

Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd
jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch,
but the results could be interesting.

It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a
sentence. I'll even get it started:

I have a need to show everyone else what I see.

thanks,

Doug
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Ashwood Lake Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

An excellent question Doug. If one really knows what one wants out of something one 
should be able
to condense it down to one brief sentence. The closest I can come, and it only covers 
first base,
is:

I take photographs so I can collect things that are too big, too expensive, too 
delicate, or
unavailable for me to take home with me.

-- 
Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse
Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Rfsindg

 PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
  
  I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
  things I see.
  

I don't find that strange.  Since the ancient Greeks, from Thucidies to 
Plato, we have been discussing image and reality.

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Ken Archer

I take photographs to capture a magical moment in time that I, and I 
hope others, would want to relive in days to come.

-- 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Doug Franklin

My memory sucks, and it's getting worse as I get older. :-)

TTYL, DougF

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele



Bucky wrote:
 
 Isn't that a bit of an overreaction?  What can possibly be very sad about
 it?
 
Getting into subtle syntactical things here - didn't mean to
sound quite so
intense - but then Paul admitted to not having said
initially _exactly_
what he meant.  Since he wrote a long response to my thing
I'll explain
in more detail (one might, I guess, say justify g) in
the response to
him - and, if we are lucky, this letter will appear in all
of the mail boxes
before the other one .

annsan


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 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:32 PM
 Subject: Re: One Sentence
 
   I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
   things I see.
 
  I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so.
 
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele



PAUL STENQUIST wrote: (mainly in response to annsan)
 
 Aside from my sloppy comparative use of the absolute perfect. (it
 _was_early in the morning :-), I meant exactly what I said. And it is
 certainly not sad, at least not to me. 
Will you substitute, perhaps, unfortunate for sad?  We are
going to get
into a whole art imitating life or life imitating art thing
here, I can see.

quoting Paul's original statement:
   I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
   things I see.

Initially this struck me as rather arrogant and therefore,
to me, sad. Taking it purely as an intellectual statement,
not knowing anything about you, Paul, it
pissed me off enough to dash off that line. But my reaction
was to that simple 
line in a vacuum - between technical tools and more perfect
vision sounded a
bit Brave New World to me.  

Paul wrote to me:
 If your reality is always
 beautiful, always worth preserving exactly as it is, then you are a very
 fortunate woman. My reality has not always been so nice. I've
 experienced a lot of ugly things and have had to dig my way out of some
 pretty deep holes.

and I reply:
OF course my reality is far from that.  Though I'll confess
to more often than not looking at half full glasses, I
assure you I've had many half empty or totally empty
ones.  I think this is pretty much beside the point.  But
I'm not doing photography
to preserve anything exactly as it is, good or bad. What
I'm saying is that
it ain't possible.
 
Paul :
 Along the way I've found that imagination can save
 the soul.

Ann:
No argument there - 

Paul:
 Painting a new and prettier world can heal a lot of
wounds...

Ann:
My phrase would be finding the beauty in the world. A friend
of mine
once wrote a poem called Beauty Lurks - and then there is
the line from
THE RED SHOES (a film I have only seen about 30 times) The
Diagahlevian 
impresario of the company points out that even the best
magician in the
world cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat unless there is
already a rabbit
IN the hat.

Paul
 ...  But we all do that to some extent. Even Shel's pictures of street
 people don't fully capture the stench of reality (although that may be
 his objective). 

Right - that is exactly _my_ point.  The photograph is never
going to replace
the reality - is never going to surpass it in beauty or in
ugliness or pain.

In terms of wonderful photos of beautiful things, the photo
has done its
job for me if it has made me feel as if I were in the place
in the photo,
in an elemental travel- log kind of way. But no painting or
photograph or essay
can even come close to reproducing the magnificence of
Denali at midnight
in June or the feeling I get standing at the base of
Delicate Arch.  Nor can the FSA photos adequately express
the poverty and suffering of the Dust Bowl, for just one
example.  

snip a bit
 
Paul continues:
 Photography can
 and does present an improved version of reality. And that's a good thing.
 Paul Stenquist
 

ann says:

 I wish I agreed with that - you put it very eloquently.

 
I guess I'll have to work on my one sentence.  I'm usually
much more prone
to comedy than something this intense.  How about top 10
favorite photos
5 color 5 black and white for a thread sometime? 

annsan


 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
  
   I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those
   things I see.
  
 
  I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so.
 
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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread John Coyle

On Monday, August 27, 2001 1:48 PM, Doug Brewer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 Hi.

SNIP
 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
 photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
 declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence.
 I'll even get it started:

SNIP

There are things you can't tell in words, and where the magic of what falls 
before your eyes can only be done justice to by trying to capture the image 
itself, and where the one you love most cannot be there to share it with you.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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RE: One Sentence

2001-08-27 Thread Amita Guha

 I take photographs so I can collect things that are too big, too 
 expensive, too delicate, or
 unavailable for me to take home with me.

You know, the first time I read this sentence I swear I thought
you meant expensive lenses and such. :)

I think it's time for me to go to bed...

--Amita

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread Paul Jones

Hmmm, how longer sentence can I write and still keep it grammatically
correct :)

Here's mine:

I enjoy the artistic and technical challenge of trying to the capture
something on film in the way that I envisage.

I'll probably think of a better one soon :)

Regards,
Paul Jones


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From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: One Sentence


 Hi.

 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd
jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch,
but the results could be interesting.

 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a
sentence. I'll even get it started:

 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.

 thanks,

 Doug
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 Douglas Forrest Brewer
 Ashwood Lake Photography
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.alphoto.com
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread cori

I have the need to try and get unusual photographs.

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread Bob Blakely

I photograph because the film exists.

Regards,
Bob...

From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a
sentence. I'll even get it started:


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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread tom

I like photo groupies.

tv

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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread Mark Erickson

Photography is an itch that I have to scratch

--Mark (http://www.westerickson.net)
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Re: One Sentence

2001-08-26 Thread Jim Apilado

Picture me Pentax.
Jim A.

 From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:48:26 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: One Sentence
 
 Hi.
 
 Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump
 up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but
 the results could be interesting.
 
 It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
 photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
 declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence.
 I'll even get it started:
 
 I have a need to show everyone else what I see.
 
 thanks,
 
 Doug
 -- 
 Douglas Forrest Brewer
 Ashwood Lake Photography
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.alphoto.com
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