Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
On 5/25/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you were the anti-focus league leader, Frank :)... Kidding, sorry... Well, I wouldn't say I'm the leader, but focus isn't as important to me as it seems to be for others. To put it another way, a strong enough image that missed focus will often work for me, where others might find it intolerable (I'm talking about images generally, not just my own). Excellent. I am kinda glad that for once my photo did not work for you... It had to happen some time. vbg I suppose quite many soft focus images are controversial, which is a good thing, don't you agree? I don't know that controversy for its own sake is a good or bad thing. I've liked several of the other soft photos that you've shown. One that stands out is a restaurant shot (I think), of an empty chair and table by a window. I recall the very strong geometries, especially of the rectangular window frames. Thanks for your comment. No problem. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Shel Belinkoff wrote: A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? ERNR genuinely interested
Re: Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/05/25 Wed PM 12:31:44 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PAW: Etude in Soft Shel Belinkoff wrote: A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? It's a lot more than a smidgen, which in turn is a lot more than a gnat's whisker. ERNR genuinely interested - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Scosh (or skosh) was picked up by American servicemen around the time of the Korean War. It's derived from the Japanese word sukoshi. The first recorded use of the word was in 1951. It remained a chiefly military term through the 1950s and '60s, and spread into more mainstream usage in the '60s and '70s. I first heard it used in the spring of 1968 by a fellow I met with whom I was working on a photography and printing project. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan Hah! It was a term made popular in advertising for blue jeans as the baby boom generation began to get older. The jeans moved away from the lean cowboy cut to a 'scosh more room' in the waist, hips, and thighs...a fuller cut in the fabric. Regards, Bob S. On 5/24/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman Shel, what is it scosh less???
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Both terms mean about the same, although smidgeon (sometimes spelled smidgen) means a tiny, almost undetectable amount, is usually a scosh. Shel [Original Message] From: E.R.N. Reed A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? ERNR genuinely interested
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
.. is usually considered to be a scosh smaller than a scosh. Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 5/25/2005 8:47:16 AM Subject: Re: PAW: Etude in Soft Both terms mean about the same, although smidgeon (sometimes spelled smidgen) means a tiny, almost undetectable amount, is usually a scosh. Shel [Original Message] From: E.R.N. Reed A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? ERNR genuinely interested
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
I have this hunch that the word came about during WWII - the Japanese word sukoshi (pronounced just about like scosh), means little or small amount - my thinking is that the GI's picked it up from there and it wormed it's way into American english. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 5:31:44 AM, you wrote: ERNR Shel Belinkoff wrote: A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. ERNR How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? ERNR ERNR ERNR genuinely interested
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Thanks Bruce and Shel. I have never heard of the Japanese origin of scosh, but I recognize that many US servicemen were stationed in Japan after WWII and certainly during the Korean War. (My father and uncle were among them.) Regards, Bob S. On 5/25/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this hunch that the word came about during WWII - the Japanese word sukoshi (pronounced just about like scosh), means little or small amount - my thinking is that the GI's picked it up from there and it wormed it's way into American english. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 5:31:44 AM, you wrote: ERNR Shel Belinkoff wrote: A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. ERNR How does it relate to a smidgen? More, less or about the same? ERNR ERNR ERNR genuinely interested
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Please be brutal. But honest :). Today I took a soft lens for my project shooting... Boris Whooo, boy! I can't even read the headlines on that paper, it's so soft! ;-) keith whaley
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In a message dated 5/24/2005 11:20:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Please be brutal. But honest :). Today I took a soft lens for my project shooting... Boris Whooo, boy! I can't even read the headlines on that paper, it's so soft! ;-) keith whaley == Looks pretty good, Boris. Okay, with the smiley, I guess you know they aren't in English, keith. Marnie aka Doe
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/24/2005 11:20:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Please be brutal. But honest :). Today I took a soft lens for my project shooting... Boris Whooo, boy! I can't even read the headlines on that paper, it's so soft! ;-) keith whaley == Looks pretty good, Boris. Okay, with the smiley, I guess you know they aren't in English, keith. Marnie aka Doe Yup... grin keith
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
On 5/24/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Please be brutal. But honest :). Today I took a soft lens for my project shooting... Doesn't really work for me, Boris. It's not so much the softness of focus, but what the light seems to be doing that I find bothersome. Hard to explain, but it seems that there's light coming around the edges of some of the objects in the frame, like the arm and shirt of the subject. I'm not explaining it well, but bottom line is: It's not for me. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Hi Frank, It's just that glow that I find so enticing. Perhaps a scosh less might be an improvement, but as it is, it lends an ethereal and diaphanous quality to the photo, moving it away from the more typical photo and giving the image a sense, or feel, beyond the subject matter and composition. I'm sure that'll sound like artsy fartsy double-talk to some people, but that's how the photo works for me. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Doesn't really work for me, Boris. It's not so much the softness of focus, but what the light seems to be doing that I find bothersome. Hard to explain, but it seems that there's light coming around the edges of some of the objects in the frame, like the arm and shirt of the subject. I'm not explaining it well, but bottom line is: It's not for me.
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I don't do a lot of these reviews so take it with a grain of salt. I think the glow/glare of the paper distracts from the whole image. It's super bright even though it's soft. Just my two cents. Francis M. Alviar -- Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:07:24 +0200 From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PAW: Etude in Soft Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=191069 Please be brutal. But honest :). Today I took a soft lens for my project shooting... Boris -- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Hi! Whooo, boy! I can't even read the headlines on that paper, it's so soft! ;-) Neither can I! ;-) Boris
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Hi! It's just that glow that I find so enticing. Perhaps a scosh less might be an improvement, but as it is, it lends an ethereal and diaphanous quality to the photo, moving it away from the more typical photo and giving the image a sense, or feel, beyond the subject matter and composition. I'm sure that'll sound like artsy fartsy double-talk to some people, but that's how the photo works for me. Shel, what is it scosh less??? I thought that there is so many plain (in sharp focus) photos like this... So I reckoned I might use a soft lens... And while at it, I dialed the max softness, just for fun... I've some more examples and I'd use this lens few days in my project... It is kind of fun. Boris
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
Hi! Doesn't really work for me, Boris. It's not so much the softness of focus, but what the light seems to be doing that I find bothersome. Hard to explain, but it seems that there's light coming around the edges of some of the objects in the frame, like the arm and shirt of the subject. I'm not explaining it well, but bottom line is: It's not for me. I thought you were the anti-focus league leader, Frank :)... Kidding, sorry... Excellent. I am kinda glad that for once my photo did not work for you... I suppose quite many soft focus images are controversial, which is a good thing, don't you agree? Thanks for your comment. Boris
Re: PAW: Etude in Soft
A scosh is a term that means just a little, but by no definite amount. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman Shel, what is it scosh less???
