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Thanks for your comments. It was fun playing with the image ... ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html Very nice, almost surreal. A tad less yellow perhaps? Or maybe my monitor is saturating it more than it should. Clever use of the tree location to hide the support pole. A keeper.
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It was rather bland when photographed in color on some other occasions, which is in part why I fiddled with filters and Photoshop. I don't know if it's a better photo as a result, still, the exercise of trying to make something from what was, imo, a failed photo, was worth the effort. Shel From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Happiness is a warm gun? There's a lot of drama in that photograph. It raises questions. But I think it could probably stand better on its own, without the dubious benefit of a warming filter.
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I had an image last winter that I worried to death. There was a sculptor who had his work displayed in the main market in Krakow. One of his sculptures was a large face, staring into the main tourist trap er, attraction on the center, called the Cloth Hall. I thought it was rather haunting, yet comical at the same time. I burned about three rolls of film across several weeks, trying to make something of this photo. The best I could come up with was this: http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53435 Somehow, it just lacks the impact I felt while standing there. I tried so hard to get the contrast between this large face, and the people inside Finally, just the other day, my wife saw the photo, and said... The face is too small. You need to crop it. http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53462 Definitely an improvement, but still I feel I missed an excellent opportunity. I don't know what I may have done wrong, or maybe, this just wasn't meant to be. When you mentioned worrying an image to death, Ann, I couldn't help but think of this... Any advice? comments? Complaints? ;-) TIA (And thanks, Ann, for reminding me of this. I meant to post it as a PESO weeks ago.) On Jan 5, 2005, at 5:51 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I kinda meant that the simple original image might be more powerful than one that has added bells and whistles - or at least as powerful. Meaning that worrying an image to much may ultimately reduce the impact, or at least may not add to it (been there, done that :) ) -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like the concept Jon - I think I would tackle this by using a much longer lens and trying to use the compression effect you get with long lenses by stacking up the people in the hall in front of the face:hope you can fathom that out!I think then you might get the sort of effect that was seen in the film Zardov, where the giant face dominated the humans in frame, and which is what I think you were trying to get? HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:53 AM Subject: worrying that image to death... (was: Re: PAW PESO - The Sign Above the Gun Shop I had an image last winter that I worried to death. There was a sculptor who had his work displayed in the main market in Krakow. One of his sculptures was a large face, staring into the main tourist trap er, attraction on the center, called the Cloth Hall. I thought it was rather haunting, yet comical at the same time. I burned about three rolls of film across several weeks, trying to make something of this photo. The best I could come up with was this: http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53435 Somehow, it just lacks the impact I felt while standing there. I tried so hard to get the contrast between this large face, and the people inside Finally, just the other day, my wife saw the photo, and said... The face is too small. You need to crop it. http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53462 Definitely an improvement, but still I feel I missed an excellent opportunity. I don't know what I may have done wrong, or maybe, this just wasn't meant to be. When you mentioned worrying an image to death, Ann, I couldn't help but think of this... Any advice? comments? Complaints? ;-) TIA (And thanks, Ann, for reminding me of this. I meant to post it as a PESO weeks ago.) On Jan 5, 2005, at 5:51 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I kinda meant that the simple original image might be more powerful than one that has added bells and whistles - or at least as powerful. Meaning that worrying an image to much may ultimately reduce the impact, or at least may not add to it (been there, done that :) ) -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 8:53:35 PM, Jon wrote: I had an image last winter that I worried to death. There was a [...] http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53435 Somehow, it just lacks the impact I felt while standing there. What was it that made such an impact? Did you try to think about this before you took the shot? What you have tried to do seems to me to be too complex. You need to simplify it. To do that you have to analyse down to the bones of what makes an impact. It's a static subject. so you have time to do that. I tried so hard to get the contrast between this large face, and the people inside Finally, just the other day, my wife saw the photo, and said... The face is too small. You need to crop it. http://webaperture.com/gallery/photos/53462 Definitely an improvement, but still I feel I missed an excellent opportunity. I don't know what I may have done wrong, or maybe, this just wasn't meant to be. the face needs to be more, um, in your face. There are too many other elements in there, and the face itself is really lost. Here are a couple of efforts at different crops: http://www.web-options.com/joninkrakow_53435_crop.jpg The 2nd one almost has a story: http://www.web-options.com/joninkrakow_53435_crop2.jpg But basically, you were standing in the wrong place, and too far away. Unfortunately the balance of lighting is not too good. Did you use auto exposure? It doesn't seem to have exposed for the face. Compositionally, there are too many people in an undifferentiated mass, particularly on the right. (That's almost a political statement! g) There is/was a similar statue in the courtyard of the British Museum which many people have photographed, including Elliott Erwitt. This is a photo from his book 'Museum Watching' (and 'Snaps'): http://tinyurl.com/6tzxs -- Cheers, Bob
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On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:39 AM, John Coyle wrote: I think then you might get the sort of effect that was seen in the film Zardov, where the giant face dominated the humans in frame, and which is what I think you were trying to get? Believe it or not, I've never heard of the film!!! Now I need to add it to my list of to see films. :-) Thanks. And yes, as I stated in another post, I did try a longer lens that I bought just for this reason, but it was still too short (135mm) and every time I tried to shoot the photo, there were so many people that I just couldn't get a good shot. :-( Thanks for the comments. -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Bob W wrote: The 2nd one almost has a story: http://www.web-options.com/joninkrakow_53435_crop2.jpg But basically, you were standing in the wrong place, and too far away. Unfortunately the balance of lighting is not too good. Did you use auto exposure? It doesn't seem to have exposed for the face. Compositionally, there are too many people in an undifferentiated mass, particularly on the right. (That's almost a political statement! g) I think that, in the end, you nailed it. I was trying too much to get too many people in the scene. I liked the idea of the masses going about their business, and this huge face watching them, completely unnoticed by the people. I think on the page with the second photo, I quoted photographer Robert Capa, If your pictures arent good enough, youre not close enough. This, I finally realize a year later, was my big mistake. Like you said, I was trying to say too much! I do have a problem with verbosity--even in my photography. ;-) Thanks for the help! I do like your second crop especially. I hope to be able to scan this negative again someday at a higher resolution, and maybe then I can repair it. :-) And, yes, the outside is a bit overexposed. I bracketed this shot with an over and under, but this one--over-- had the best arrangement of people. The negative still has a lot of detail left in it that the scan was not able to capture, so I think another scan with a better scanner will help in this regard. (I guess I'm still obsessed with this image...) -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 4, 2005, at 8:32 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Your description is about the same for me Frank. It is just floating there and I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe if there were lettering for the sign it would gel better for me. Not that I'm a critic or anything, but I find that the ambivalence of the photograph is its charm. When I first opened it, I laughed, but then, I saw a more serious side of it. Then, I wondered, how big is this gun? and then I saw that everything was pointing toward the right, from which there was something emanating (namely the smoke of the clouds). I think the sort of blood redness of the whole photo also is striving to say something about the theme. I see in this, a sort of Wild West, gun-slinger concept. In any case, IMO, it's not about the photo, but what the photographer is trying to say. The question is, doe he succeed? :-) To my eye, he does. But that's me Lots of photos are just--well, photos. Others are an attempt by the photographer to communicate something more than the photograph itself. This is one photo that, to my eye, is trying to communicate something other than photo and, IMO, it works. It certainly is obvious to me that he put a lot of thought and effort into this photo. I don't believe the clouds are an accident, nor or the treeless leaves. They all have something to say in this photo, as well as the gun, sitting where it is, and pointing where it is. I like it. P.S. Today will be my last day to post here for a while. We are flying to the States in exactly two weeks, and I'm just too busy getting ready, and when we get there, we won't have any reliable internet access for I don't know how long. I'll be accumulating my email in my Gmail box, so hopefully, I won't miss the important stuff. -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/1/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Works fine for me, if heavy on the tint. Nice composition and great sky - suits the weird concept. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 3 Jan 2005 at 16:11, Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Cool shot Shel, I'm glad it's difficult to see any support, I like the idea of the gun just hovering but really I'd rather have not been primed by the title. I think the intense colour and burnt out whites in the sky add to the images strange atmosphere. Did you shoot it with the gun bigger in the frame too? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Jon Glass wrote: P.S. Today will be my last day to post here for a while. We are flying to the States in exactly two weeks, and I'm just too busy getting ready, and when we get there, we won't have any reliable internet access for I don't know how long. I'll be accumulating my email in my Gmail box, so hopefully, I won't miss the important stuff. There's important stuff? :-) S
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Very surrealist, Shel. I like the toning, but I would like to see a straight bw version too. Great shot Regards = Albano Garcia Photography Graphic Design http://www.albanogarcia.com.ar http://www.flaneur.com.ar __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks, Cotty ... I wanted an over-the-top look and feel to the pic, so I cranked the Hue/Sat up a bit when doing the final PS adjustments. I may play a bit with toning it down, making a few more adjustments. Shel [Original Message] From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html Works fine for me, if heavy on the tint. Nice composition and great sky - suits the weird concept.
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Hi Rob ... Titles ... I never know whether to use 'em or not, or what they should say. Maybe I should just call the posts Untitled #1, etc. There may be some shots with the gun bigger in the frame. Took a lot of pics from different angles and with different lenses over the last year or so. There are frames scattered about on numerous rolls of film. However, of those that have been scanned, this was taken with the longest lens. There may be a few shots made with a 200mm lens as well, but they've not yet come up for scanning. Shel [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool shot Shel, I'm glad it's difficult to see any support, I like the idea of the gun just hovering but really I'd rather have not been primed by the title. I think the intense colour and burnt out whites in the sky add to the images strange atmosphere. Did you shoot it with the gun bigger in the frame too?
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Hi Jon ... It's nice to know that you've found something that resonates for you in the photograph. I shot a fair number of similar frames that day, all within a span of two or three minutes, each with a slightly different position of the gun, a slightly different relationship between the gun and the trees, and, of course, with a few different cloud formations and positions. Over a year or so the trees went through their full cycle, so there are pics with trees in many different states. Likewise the lighting. It's been fun, and a project like this may never really end. There will always be another snap, another POV for looking at the scene. It's not a big deal, and as Ann suggested, maybe I'm putting more time into it than it's worth. But the idea of photographing one object over a long period of time is appealing. More so that the subject is unusual. And really, the amount of time over the year has only been a fraction of a minute, accumulating at 1/125 second at a time LOL Hope you have a grand trip to the US of A. Watch out for gun tottin' cowboys! vbg Shel [Original Message] From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't believe the clouds are an accident, nor or the treeless leaves. They all have something to say in this photo, as well as the gun, sitting where it is, and pointing where it is. I like it.
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Hi, Tuesday, January 4, 2005, 4:08:39 PM, Shel wrote: [...] It's been fun, and a project like this may never really end. There will always be another snap, another POV for looking at the scene. It's not a big deal, and as Ann suggested, maybe I'm putting more time into it than it's worth. But the idea of photographing one object over a long period of time is appealing. More so that the subject is unusual. [...] that's an interesting variation on a theme. Normally a series like that will feature change in all the major elements of the composition (e.g. a tree during a year), but in this case the major element is unchanging against a changing backdrop. Good idea. I don't know how effective it would be with the gun, though. For me a lot of the impact of the photo is seeing it disembodied in that way and apparently floating. It could lose some of that impact if you repeat it (no puns about repeaters, please!). On the other hand, perhaps it could say something about the constancy of gun culture against a changing world. Who knows? -- Cheers, Bob
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Hi ... There's no such thing as a straight BW version for this scene. It was photographed on past-date Extachrome. Of course, it's always possible to do a PS conversion to BW. Shel [Original Message] From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very surrealist, Shel. I like the toning, but I would like to see a straight bw version too.
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Very nice, almost surreal. A tad less yellow perhaps? Or maybe my monitor is saturating it more than it should. Clever use of the tree location to hide the support pole. A keeper. rg
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Jon ... It's nice to know that you've found something that resonates for you in the photograph. I shot a fair number of similar frames that day, all within a span of two or three minutes, each with a slightly different position of the gun, a slightly different relationship between the gun and the trees, and, of course, with a few different cloud formations and positions. Over a year or so the trees went through their full cycle, so there are pics with trees in many different states. Likewise the lighting. It's been fun, and a project like this may never really end. There will always be another snap, another POV for looking at the scene. It's not a big deal, and as Ann suggested, maybe I'm putting more time into it than it's worth. Ah - um not quite what I was suggesting, Shel - I kinda meant that the simple original image might be more powerful than one that has added bells and whistles - or at least as powerful. Meaning that worrying an image to much may ultimately reduce the impact, or at least may not add to it (been there, done that :) ) ann
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Nice surreal image, Shel. What is holding up the gun? I can't see anything down there... Cheers, j On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. Maybe I'm missing something... sorry, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Funny, I liked exactly because of the lack of context. I actually ignored the title, as I usually do--sometimes photographers (not Shel, at least on this one) rely on them too much I think. The image has a surreal quality to it, I think that's what hel was going after. j On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:25:15 -0500, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. Maybe I'm missing something... sorry, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:32:13 -0800, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, I liked exactly because of the lack of context. I actually ignored the title, as I usually do--sometimes photographers (not Shel, at least on this one) rely on them too much I think. The image has a surreal quality to it, I think that's what hel was going after. WRT the title, I'm usually the same as you - look to the photo in and of itself first, and comment on that. I guess my point is that even knowing the title didn't help me get into the photo in a meaningful way. Maybe I need more time with it. Or maybe I just don't get it. That's likely more of a comment on me than it is Shel's photo. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Hi Juan ... Thanks! The gun is mounted on a steel rod which is attached to a big, sturdy light pole. If you look carefully you should be able to see the steel rod and the tip of the pole. However, I tried to minimize their intrusion into this photo. Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice surreal image, Shel. What is holding up the gun? I can't see anything down there... Cheers, j On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html
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No need to apologize Frank ... What visual context might you need - the building, words on the sign, color, BW ... ? Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. Maybe I'm missing something... sorry, frank
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Hi, Tuesday, January 4, 2005, 12:11:23 AM, Shel wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Happiness is a warm gun? There's a lot of drama in that photograph. It raises questions. But I think it could probably stand better on its own, without the dubious benefit of a warming filter. -- Cheers, Bob
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frank theriault wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. Maybe I'm missing something... sorry, frank annsan sez: What Frank said. and... Shel, I think you worked too much at this - and the sky isn't quite convincing either. Not your kind of shot - um - sorry - those puns just come out sometimes... ann -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Shel, Why? I'm curious as to how you might critique this image were it someone else's. I'm only trying to learn. :] Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to apologize Frank ... What visual context might you need - the building, words on the sign, color, BW ... ? Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. Maybe I'm missing something... sorry, frank __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:13:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel === Well, I like the image, very surreal. Not sure about warming filter and all that. Don't know enough about filters. As for the critics, maybe it would be more surreal for them to have some context -- like the top of the store. Then the gun would be sized (i.e. one would know it was BIG). This is also one case where I was helped by the title. I like it. Kewl. Marnie aka Doe
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:49:24 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to apologize Frank ... What visual context might you need - the building, words on the sign, color, BW ... ? I don't know. I've been thinking about it a bit during the evening, and I like the colour - I don't think it would work in BW. Now that I think about it, having the words or the building in the frame might ruin the illusion of a giant floating almost disembodied (if that's the right word - I mean unsupported, I guess) gun. I have to admit, not knowing the size of the pistol is kind of neat - as others mentioned the shot is surreal, and I hadn't approached it that way. I don't think you have to do anything, I think I have to approach it differently. I'll have another look later, and maybe contact you off-list if I'm moved one way or the other. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Just curious, in what way is the sky not convincing? Convincing of what? What is meant by this not being my kind of shot? Shel [Original Message] From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] and... Shel, I think you worked too much at this - and the sky isn't quite convincing either. Not your kind of shot - um - sorry - those puns just come out sometimes...
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Why what, Jack? I don't know if I would critique it ... what do YOU say? Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shel, Why? I'm curious as to how you might critique this image were it someone else's. I'm only trying to learn. :] Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to apologize Frank ... What visual context might you need - the building, words on the sign, color, BW ... ?
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The photo wasn't made for the critics, so this one stands or falls as it is. However, there are a few with the top of the store included, as well as from other angles and perspectives. This is the one that's here now ;-)) Why is it important to know how big the gun is, or is it important? If the photo is surreal, why add even more reality than it or the story already contains? Glad you like it ... Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I like the image, very surreal. Not sure about warming filter and all that. Don't know enough about filters. As for the critics, maybe it would be more surreal for them to have some context -- like the top of the store. Then the gun would be sized (i.e. one would know it was BIG). This is also one case where I was helped by the title. I like it. Kewl. Marnie aka Doe
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Hi! SB http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html SB I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might SB finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good SB light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... SB Comments welcome, of course. Shel, me so thinks, the gun needs some kind of foundation - a pole, a piece of building to which it is attached - anything. Like this it looks as if you took a picture of sunset and pasted a gun onto it with PS. Not to mention that the white clouds on the top right distract - they are too bright. Unless of course my monitor is mis-aligned, which can always be the case. Just my 2px. Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW PESO - The Sign Above the Gun Shop
As I told Juan in an earlier message, the gun is on a rod attached to a long, heavy pole. If you look carefully you can see it. The photo isn't in any way meant to be a realistic or literal interpretation, and I wanted to at least suggest that the gun was floating or not attached to anything, so the support is intentionally difficult to see. As for the burnt out patches of sky, why, Boris, you have just hit upon a symbol of the metaphor that is this photograph's raison d'etre ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] SB http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html Shel, me so thinks, the gun needs some kind of foundation - a pole, a piece of building to which it is attached - anything. Like this it looks as if you took a picture of sunset and pasted a gun onto it with PS. Not to mention that the white clouds on the top right distract - they are too bright. Unless of course my monitor is mis-aligned, which can always be the case. Just my 2px. Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW PESO - The Sign Above the Gun Shop
Your description is about the same for me Frank. It is just floating there and I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe if there were lettering for the sign it would gel better for me. Certainly the technical aspects of the image are fine, just seems incomplete or something. Bruce Monday, January 3, 2005, 4:25:15 PM, you wrote: ft On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:11:23 -0800, Shel Belinkoff ft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/owsign.html I've been fiddling around with this sign off and o for a year or so. Might finally have a keeper. What you see is the result of catching a good light, using an appropriate warming filter, and a final polish in PS ... Comments welcome, of course. Shel ft Problem is, it looks like a floating gun, not a sign. Without any ft visual context, the photo really doesn't do much for me. Even with ft the title, it just looks like a gun set against a nice sky. ft Maybe I'm missing something... ft sorry, ft frank
