Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jostein]

Quoting frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?

Alas...:-(

Jostein



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RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jostein]

Finally got around to looking.

When you said you missed the moment by a few seconds, I assume you there were
more spectacular lighting in the clouds previously. From looking at the
midtones in your picture, I would guess that there's a lot of drama to bring
out in this picture if you play around with the contrast and/or levels. You may
be able to bring out the mood you experienced a few moments earlier from this
shot as well. After all, a CCD ship doesn't record reality the same way as our
eyes to. :-)

Regarding the plants in the foreground, I find them a bit distracting, but not
too bad since they're way out of focus. Personally, I think I would have
avoided having them in the picture at all. The landscape is already well
composed,  with the field and the vegetation as foreground, the fjord as a
"middle-ground" and the mountains as background. It all balances well with the
drama in the sky, imo.

Cheers,
Jostein



Quoting Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> I'll comment on the pic later, right noe there's too much sunlight into the
> room
> to see the colours properly.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jostein
> 
> Citat Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Sorry bout that. rg!
> > http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
> > 
> > Tim
> > Another Norwegian.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)
> > 
> > url?
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light! 
> > I just had to stop, and try framing it. 
> > 
> > A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)
> > 
> > This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping. 
> > 
> > As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
> > the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
> > highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also
> hidden
> > an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees. 
> > Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
> > "shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.
> > 
> > Tim
> > Another Norwegian.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,  
> > Sonny
> > http://www.sonc.com
> > Natchitoches, Louisiana
> > Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
> > égalité, liberté, crawfish
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jostein]

Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 27/6/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Could be amended, mate. :-)
> 
> That a hint?

You know you want it to be. :-)
Resistance is useless.

Jostein



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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 28/6/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>there are no streets in Norway.

Well, not in winter, which is 9 months of the year ;-)




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RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Bob W]

> 
> >On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the 
> polar bears 
> >walking around in our streets ;-)
> 
> 
> You think he's joking!

it's complete rubbish - there are no streets in Norway.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[P. J. Alling]

Actually no, I didn't.

Cotty wrote:


On 28/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
walking around in our streets ;-)
   




You think he's joking!



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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

>På 28. jun. 2005 kl. 00.55 skrev frank theriault:
>>
>> Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?

On 28/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:

>For a lot of Norwegians that is in fact the case 

And to cap it all, they have a lot of bottle.


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If that's UK£, the equivalent US$ is about 15.00! For one bottle of 
>beer? He did say beer, didn't he?
>Or is that for a two-liter bottle?
>Whew!

Calm down Keith. It's not that expensive ;-)

It's the wine that needs a mortgage.




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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 28/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
>walking around in our streets ;-)


You think he's joking!



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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 28/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Scotty.

Beam me up!

>
>I thought I was the flaming one here ;-)
>
>I did want the plant there, it was a bit more out of focus than I intended,
>but I put them there on purpose. Rubbish or not.

Ahar, an admission. Excellent.
 
>Anyway: I'll give it a try. I do pass this spot on my way to work, but most
>times I travel there I go by bus. So this will probably cost me a lot more
>than the national debt of Peru. 

You have plenty of time ;-)

>
>On second thoughts; I've got about a pint of Scottish blood in my veins,
>making me a cheap bastard. I might try re shoot just the plants, and
>photoshop them into the frame. That means a lot of practise with Elements,
>that's a good thing. 

Sounds fine to me.

>On the other hand, that's not photographing, or is it? 
>What a , I'll go to bed now!

You'll sleep better than I did. One of our cats brought me a small four-
legged present at 4.30 am...






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  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[DagT]

På 28. jun. 2005 kl. 00.55 skrev frank theriault:


Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?



For a lot of Norwegians that is in fact the case (but I don´t know 
about Jostein - I have seen him drink beer in Oslo)


DagT

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[DagT]

Well actually, Norway has the same amount in the bank (oil money) as 
the national debt of Sweden, so we are considering to buy the whole 
thing (it´s 100 years since we got rid of them the last time).  Maybe 
we should buy something less expensive...


DagT

På 28. jun. 2005 kl. 01.04 skrev P. J. Alling:

Unfortunately, since the Norwegians will be assuming the debt of Peru, 
they'll have to make it up somewhere, so the price of beer will 
double...


frank theriault wrote:


On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I know. It is not possible in Norway as the cost of a decent 
evening's

amount of beer is just short of the national debt of Peru.




Does that mean that if the G8 forgive 3rd world debt that the price of
beer will drop in Norway?

always curious,
frank







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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[DagT]

Only if you drink it at home..

DagT
.-)

På 28. jun. 2005 kl. 02.12 skrev Tim Øsleby:


Don't believe a word I say ;-)

One pint is about £2, and that’s fact.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: keithw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28. juni 2005 02:06
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Don't believe a word of what those guys are saying.

One bottle is £8.50.


If that's UK£, the equivalent US$ is about 15.00! For one bottle of
beer? He did say beer, didn't he?
Or is that for a two-liter bottle?
Whew!



On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
walking around in our streets ;-)


Sure you do...
With a Pentax I assume?

keith whaley


Tim
Another Norwegian.

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Don't believe a word I say ;-)

One pint is about £2, and that’s fact.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: keithw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28. juni 2005 02:06
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

Tim Øsleby wrote:

> Don't believe a word of what those guys are saying.
> 
> One bottle is £8.50. 

If that's UK£, the equivalent US$ is about 15.00! For one bottle of 
beer? He did say beer, didn't he?
Or is that for a two-liter bottle?
Whew!


> On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
> walking around in our streets ;-)

Sure you do...
With a Pentax I assume?

keith whaley

> Tim
> Another Norwegian.

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[keithw]

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Don't believe a word of what those guys are saying.

One bottle is £8.50. 


If that's UK£, the equivalent US$ is about 15.00! For one bottle of 
beer? He did say beer, didn't he?

Or is that for a two-liter bottle?
Whew!



On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
walking around in our streets ;-)


Sure you do...
With a Pentax I assume?

keith whaley


Tim
Another Norwegian.

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Don't believe a word of what those guys are saying.

One bottle is £8.50. 
On the other hand; Meat is free, we just shoot one of the polar bears
walking around in our streets ;-)


Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

-Original Message-
From: keithw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28. juni 2005 01:15
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

frank theriault wrote:
> On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Sure, maybe from ten quid a bottle to £9.50!

Lordy! How big are the bottles?

keith

> Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?
> 
> -frank

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Scotty.

I thought I was the flaming one here ;-)

I did want the plant there, it was a bit more out of focus than I intended,
but I put them there on purpose. Rubbish or not. 
Anyway: I'll give it a try. I do pass this spot on my way to work, but most
times I travel there I go by bus. So this will probably cost me a lot more
than the national debt of Peru. 

On second thoughts; I've got about a pint of Scottish blood in my veins,
making me a cheap bastard. I might try re shoot just the plants, and
photoshop them into the frame. That means a lot of practise with Elements,
that’s a good thing. 
On the other hand, that’s not photographing, or is it? 
What a , I'll go to bed now!

I'll find a solution. While thinking I can enjoy your trees. 


Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28. juni 2005 00:22
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Even you Cotty was positive, until you came with this rubbish about the
>rubbish :-)

Nonesense.

It was entirely positive. I was merely pointing out that there was some
rubbish going on in the foreground, and that a positive action would be
to go and tackle the subject again (you hinted that you pass the spot on
a work journey).

Photographers revisiting a scene many times in different weather and
lighting situations in order to study the many and varied ways said scene
can be captured on film or sensor, or even canvas for that matter, is
common.

Here's a tree I pass many times a year:

<http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/landscapes/images/pic7.html>

and a couple of years later...

<http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/landscapes/images/pic30.html>

I'm about due to have another go I reckon.

So here's a positive message. You did not want to have the plant so out
of focus at lower right, so go back to the scene and photograph it
again!

Of course, it is entirely possible that you did want the plant as such an
out of focus feature at lower right, in which case, it's not the plant
that is rubbish, the whole pic is!!!

(think of this as a challenge ;-)




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  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[keithw]

frank theriault wrote:

On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Sure, maybe from ten quid a bottle to £9.50!


Lordy! How big are the bottles?

keith


Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?

-frank

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[P. J. Alling]

Unfortunately, since the Norwegians will be assuming the debt of Peru, 
they'll have to make it up somewhere, so the price of beer will double...


frank theriault wrote:


On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


I know. It is not possible in Norway as the cost of a decent evening's
amount of beer is just short of the national debt of Peru.

   



Does that mean that if the G8 forgive 3rd world debt that the price of
beer will drop in Norway?

always curious,
frank



 




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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[frank theriault]

On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Sure, maybe from ten quid a bottle to £9.50!

Is that why Jostein's always travelling?  In search of cheaper beer?

-frank



-- 
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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Does that mean that if the G8 forgive 3rd world debt that the price of
>beer will drop in Norway?

Sure, maybe from ten quid a bottle to £9.50!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[frank theriault]

On 6/27/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
> What I'm telling you is that I like it here, at this slow ever lasting
> cocktail party. 

By George, I think he's got it!



-frank



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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[frank theriault]

On 6/27/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I know. It is not possible in Norway as the cost of a decent evening's
> amount of beer is just short of the national debt of Peru.
> 

Does that mean that if the G8 forgive 3rd world debt that the price of
beer will drop in Norway?

always curious,
frank



-- 
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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>BTW; I'm not drunk, writing this ;-)

I know. It is not possible in Norway as the cost of a decent evening's
amount of beer is just short of the national debt of Peru.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Even you Cotty was positive, until you came with this rubbish about the
>rubbish :-)

Nonesense.

It was entirely positive. I was merely pointing out that there was some
rubbish going on in the foreground, and that a positive action would be
to go and tackle the subject again (you hinted that you pass the spot on
a work journey).

Photographers revisiting a scene many times in different weather and
lighting situations in order to study the many and varied ways said scene
can be captured on film or sensor, or even canvas for that matter, is common.

Here's a tree I pass many times a year:



and a couple of years later...



I'm about due to have another go I reckon.

So here's a positive message. You did not want to have the plant so out
of focus at lower right, so go back to the scene and photograph it again!

Of course, it is entirely possible that you did want the plant as such an
out of focus feature at lower right, in which case, it's not the plant
that is rubbish, the whole pic is!!!

(think of this as a challenge ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks a lot guys, for the feedback, on this picture, and on the horses.
Some of negative feedback, negative in an educative way. But most positive. 
Even you Cotty was positive, until you came with this rubbish about the
rubbish :-)

I have learned a lot. I now know why to shot raw files. I know a bit on how
to adjust the raw files. I have learned a bit about you, weirdoes ;-)
You have also given me some ideas. I know my old skills are coming back to
me. I know that I should trust my instincts, even though I shoot a lot of
crappy pictures, some of the intuitive ideas works (for some of you). That’s
inspiring!

What I'm telling you is that I like it here, at this slow ever lasting
cocktail party. 
I'll stop now, before some of you start crying, or cries out laughing. 
BTW; I'm not drunk, writing this ;-)

I have also learned to always to bring my towel here ;-)

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke?)


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 19:52
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. 

I'm always kind.

It is rubbish!

You know you won't rest until you go shoot it again ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>One man's
>rubbish is another man's balance.  The reality is that neither Cotty
>nor I are right or wrong, objectively.  Subjectively we know what
>works and doesn't work for ouselves - beyond that, we really can't say
>much more.

Frank's absolutely right, but it's still rubbish ;-)




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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. 

I'm always kind.

It is rubbish!

You know you won't rest until you go shoot it again ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Could be amended, mate. :-)

That a hint?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 6/27/2005 6:46:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My opinion:

The plants in the near foreground would add to the illusion of depth and 
be an important compositional element if they were sharp. They are too 
soft to be more than a distraction as shot.

Tom Reese
=
Ditto. If you add foreground items to add depth, they need to be sharp. Look 
at some of John Shaw's shots. In this case, I would have done what one of my 
former photography teachers called, "creative weeding" (or was it creative 
gardening?) -- picked the weeds or flattened them down. 

Other than that, nice shot.

Marnie 

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Graywolf]

Well, I had to look. Methinks that the grass does nothing for the photo. The 
brush ads to the depth. I would crop the bottom a bit myself. Otherwise I think 
it is a nice relaxing photo. Something to hang in a waiting room somewhere.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Kenneth Waller wrote:

Looks like good subject, however I find the execution to be a bit lacking.
The foreground is distracting to me and adds little except a sense of
distance.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)




Sorry bout that. rg!
http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183

Tim
Another Norwegian.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

url?


In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light!
I just had to stop, and try framing it.

A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)

This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping.

As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also


hidden


an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees.
Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
"shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.

Tim
Another Norwegian.




Regards,
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish













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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Kenneth Waller]

Looks like good subject, however I find the execution to be a bit lacking.
The foreground is distracting to me and adds little except a sense of
distance.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)


> Sorry bout that. rg!
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
>
> Tim
> Another Norwegian.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)
>
> url?
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light!
> I just had to stop, and try framing it.
>
> A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)
>
> This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping.
>
> As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
> the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
> highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also
hidden
> an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees.
> Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
> "shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.
>
> Tim
> Another Norwegian.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
> égalité, liberté, crawfish
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tom Reese]

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. You say you like it. Me myself
really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
(fading light). Didn’t have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
less "as is". Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
foreground, which did not work, not at all.


My opinion:

The plants in the near foreground would add to the illusion of depth and 
be an important compositional element if they were sharp. They are too 
soft to be more than a distraction as shot.


Tom Reese

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[frank theriault]

On 6/27/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you.
> Haven't been at PDML long, but I'll take the risk, making a joke about the
> foreground (the plants).
> - Its kind'o Theriaultian ;-)

I'm not to comment on such things, so I've been told.However
I will say that the term used to mean "blurry", but it may mean much
more than that now (not necessarily a good or bad thing).  
> 
> Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish.

And you believed him?  

 You say you like it.

I do.  For me it balanced the mountains and clouds in the distance. 
Gave a sense of perspective and context.  But, maybe you shouldn't
believe me, either...

> Me myself
> really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
> down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
> (fading light). Didn't have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
> less "as is". Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
> foreground, which did not work, not at all.

Well, that's it, isn't it?  We're working with changing circumstances,
sometimes quickly changing, so we grab what we can when we can.  The
other thing, of course, is that it's all pretty subjective.  One man's
rubbish is another man's balance.  The reality is that neither Cotty
nor I are right or wrong, objectively.  Subjectively we know what
works and doesn't work for ouselves - beyond that, we really can't say
much more.

Anyway, I'm off to work now - just got my first call of the day.

later,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Thank you.
Haven't been at PDML long, but I'll take the risk, making a joke about the
foreground (the plants). 
- Its kind'o Theriaultian ;-)

Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. You say you like it. Me myself
really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
(fading light). Didn’t have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
less "as is". Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
foreground, which did not work, not at all.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke)


-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 15:01
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

On 6/26/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry bout that. rg!
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
> 

Nice!

Those are angry clouds!  They make the pic, IMHO.  Nice composition. 
I like the foreground...

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[frank theriault]

On 6/26/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry bout that. rg!
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
> 

Nice!

Those are angry clouds!  They make the pic, IMHO.  Nice composition. 
I like the foreground...

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jostein]

Citat Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'm closing my eyes and imagining it now Tim. 

[...]

> Norway in the summer is a lovely place to be
> 
> 
> 
> Ooh er, it's gone.
> 

Could be amended, mate. :-)

Jostein


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RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jostein]

Hi Tim,

I'll comment on the pic later, right noe there's too much sunlight into the room
to see the colours properly.

Cheers,
Jostein

Citat Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Sorry bout that. rg!
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
> 
> Tim
> Another Norwegian.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)
> 
> url?
>  
>  
> In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light! 
> I just had to stop, and try framing it. 
> 
> A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)
> 
> This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping. 
> 
> As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
> the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
> highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also hidden
> an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees. 
> Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
> "shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.
> 
> Tim
> Another Norwegian.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,  
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
> égalité, liberté, crawfish
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Its not rubbish! It's a plant ;-)

Okay, I'll let you off then.

>Anyway, the light is gone. In fact I was a few seconds to late.

The light is always better. Tomorrow!



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I was driving from work, and there it was, this stunning light! 
I just had to stop, and try framing it. 


A bit cliché, but I like it :-)

This is my first attempt to do something in Elements besides cropping. 


As you see, there is another version online. What I've done is to convert
the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about one step, added a bit more
highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher Kelvin). I've also hidden
an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground down by the trees. 
Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really appreciate feedback on my

"shopping". Comments on the picture also appreciated.


"Isn't it good, Norwegian Wood?" (Cotty, am I right with the quote?) :)

Tim, you did quite a job for the first-timer... In fact, it is quite a 
good picture :). I like the way the cloud pattern leads my eye to the 
top of that mountain...


Memories, memories...

Boris

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Jerome Reyes]

> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183

I like it. The exposure seems perfect, as you've captured *plenty* of
details in the clouds *and* the mountains (whereas, I would have certainly
either blown out the clouds or lost the mountain details in shadows)...
The only thing that I don't like about it is the foreground. The
out-of-focus plants are incredibly distracting for me... and even besides
that, I think there's too much of that dead grass in the foreground.

I tried to crop the "rubbish" out of the photo (with my hand against the
screen) and just include the tops of the trees in the foreground; but then
the photo is unbalanced... so I'm not sure what the solution is. Perhaps
you can politely ask God to recreate the scene for you tomorrow, and
recompose. In any event, again its a nice capture. Thanks for sharing.

 - Jerome

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Its not rubbish! It's a plant ;-)
Anyway, the light is gone. In fact I was a few seconds to late.

Tim
The Flaming Norwegian.


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:37
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

<http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183>

My comments still stand :-)

>I'm closing my eyes and imagining it now Tim. Yeah, yeah, it's coming to
>me, it's coming. Right - there it is. H, not bad. You've caught the
>light well, IMO, but watch out for washed-out highlights in a shot like
>this - fairly straightforward to fix if you're shooting RAW. You've done
>a nice job, I must say, and you're 'shopping' work is coming along just
>fine - watch the sharpening, it's easy to overdo it. No, it looks just
>fine. Norway in the summer is a lovely place to be


I would just add that the de-focussed plant at lower right is a load a
rubbish so go re-shoot it please!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

My comments still stand :-)

>I'm closing my eyes and imagining it now Tim. Yeah, yeah, it's coming to
>me, it's coming. Right - there it is. H, not bad. You've caught the
>light well, IMO, but watch out for washed-out highlights in a shot like
>this - fairly straightforward to fix if you're shooting RAW. You've done
>a nice job, I must say, and you're 'shopping' work is coming along just
>fine - watch the sharpening, it's easy to overdo it. No, it looks just
>fine. Norway in the summer is a lovely place to be


I would just add that the de-focussed plant at lower right is a load a
rubbish so go re-shoot it please!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Cotty]

On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was driving from work, and there it was, this stunning light! 
>I just had to stop, and try framing it. 

I'm closing my eyes and imagining it now Tim. Yeah, yeah, it's coming to
me, it's coming. Right - there it is. H, not bad. You've caught the
light well, IMO, but watch out for washed-out highlights in a shot like
this - fairly straightforward to fix if you're shooting RAW. You've done
a nice job, I must say, and you're 'shopping' work is coming along just
fine - watch the sharpening, it's easy to overdo it. No, it looks just
fine. Norway in the summer is a lovely place to be



Ooh er, it's gone.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Tim Øsleby]

Sorry bout that. rg!
http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183

Tim
Another Norwegian.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

url?
 
 
In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light! 
I just had to stop, and try framing it. 

A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)

This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping. 

As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also hidden
an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees. 
Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
"shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.

Tim
Another Norwegian.




Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish
 

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[Paul Stenquist]

And the URL is :-) ??
On Jun 26, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:


I was driving from work, and there it was, this stunning light!
I just had to stop, and try framing it.

A bit cliché, but I like it :-)

This is my first attempt to do something in Elements besides cropping.

As you see, there is another version online. What I've done is to 
convert
the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about one step, added a bit 
more
highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher Kelvin). I've also 
hidden

an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground down by the trees.
Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really appreciate feedback on 
my

"shopping". Comments on the picture also appreciated.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

[SonC]

url?
 
 
In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light! 
I just had to stop, and try framing it. 

A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)

This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping. 

As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also hidden
an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees. 
Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
"shopping". Comments on the picture also  appreciated.

Tim
Another Norwegian.




Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish