Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker colored wings in warmer temperatures./ Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. AlunFoto wrote: If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring. Walt On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker colored wings in warmer temperatures./ Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. AlunFoto wrote: If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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I didn't miss the post, you're right of course, if it's a queen butterfly the comparison to the coloring of monarchs is not relevant, and my suggestion is moot. In the word of Emily Latella Nevermind. Walter Hamler wrote: In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring. Walt On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker colored wings in warmer temperatures./ Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. AlunFoto wrote: If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil...
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If you are interested in seeing the full article send me an email. I have access to the journal through my work. FWIW, they used a Oly C-3000 to photograph the larvae and a flat bead scanner to image the butterflies. Perry. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker colored wings in warmer temperatures./ Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. AlunFoto wrote: If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --
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Thanks Perry, but the answer is that Walter apparently photographed a Queen butterfly, where as I was photographing Monarch Butterflies so what we were really comparing apples and oran..., well no more like oranges and tangerines. Perry Pellechia wrote: If you are interested in seeing the full article send me an email. I have access to the journal through my work. FWIW, they used a Oly C-3000 to photograph the larvae and a flat bead scanner to image the butterflies. Perry. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker colored wings in warmer temperatures./ Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. AlunFoto wrote: If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found the abstract interesting too. Jostein 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the
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Hard but worth it, right.:-) Good shot Dave On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry Ken, I should have read a little clearer there. That is your photo. To make my comment a bit clearer. The color of the underside of the wing is a bit more muted yet lighter, like it was coated with a very thin layer of whitewash than the upper wing surface of the monarch, (which is easily seen in the sample). Your photo is showing the lower wing surface and the color is rendered closer to what the upper surface as seen here. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch4.html That is a very good photo no doubt about it. The butterfly's wing color just seems off. P. J. Alling wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Oops. I changed it again. Walt On 6/25/08, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well now I'm completely confused. I guess I shouldn't try to answer e-mail before my morning coffee. I can't seem to get the photo to load. Walter Hamler wrote: http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walter, the link didn't work for me but I was able to see the photo from the previous version going to the gallery. Yes that's closer to the right shade of Orange. You've punched up the color a bit but still more what I would expect. I wish I could have gotten that close to the Monarchs I photographed last year, but they were too skittish. P. J. Alling wrote: Well now I'm completely confused. I guess I shouldn't try to answer e-mail before my morning coffee. I can't seem to get the photo to load. Walter Hamler wrote: http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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FYI: The link on this post will not allow loading, but the one that succeeds it on Christin's post will. Jack --- On Wed, 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 8:22 AM Well now I'm completely confused. I guess I shouldn't try to answer e-mail before my morning coffee. I can't seem to get the photo to load. Walter Hamler wrote: http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The changed image can be accessed by closing the displayed image at that link and displaying the local gallery. You can then open the changed image. It's a bit brighter overall than I think it should be but the color of the butterfly is much closer to what it should be. Jack Davis wrote: FYI: The link on this post will not allow loading, but the one that succeeds it on Christin's post will. Jack --- On Wed, 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 8:22 AM Well now I'm completely confused. I guess I shouldn't try to answer e-mail before my morning coffee. I can't seem to get the photo to load. Walter Hamler wrote: http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB Is this one any better Peter? Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion. I worked very hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html Bob Sullivan wrote: Peter, Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop. The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that, as well as backlight the wings. This shot is very good. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit. Ken Waller wrote: Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter, if you look at the pic Bob posted of the butterfly that looks like mine, it is not a Monarch, but a cousin, the Queen Butterfly. I believe the simple answer to the problem is that the butterfly I shot is in fact a Queen Butterfly. I will ask the folks tomorrow at the nursery as they are pretty knowledgable on the subject. Thanks all for the input and comments. It's been fun. Walt On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a few images without first converting to the correct color space. AlunFoto wrote: Peter, Walt, Bob, Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than usual. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) Jostein 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Walt and Peter, I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, especially since flash was used. Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? Great catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very nice Walt. It's had to get that well focused. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really a well caught shot. The DOF issue with macros is somewhat reduced by the broadside angle to this, more or less, two dimensional critter. To me, it needs more light (flash?) to appreciate the really fine detail. Jack --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:08 PM Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bob. This one was probably my best one as far as focus. I had two or three others that were better composed but I missed the focus. I am using a Phoenix 100mm f/3.5 manual focus and it is tough for these tired eyes. I plan to go back several more times (it's cheap!) and try to hone the skills. Walt On 6/24/08, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice Walt. It's had to get that well focused. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Jack. My new (old) Vivitar 283 was working hard. I think I could add some more fill in Lightroom/Photoshop to bring out a little more. Walt On 6/24/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really a well caught shot. The DOF issue with macros is somewhat reduced by the broadside angle to this, more or less, two dimensional critter. To me, it needs more light (flash?) to appreciate the really fine detail. Jack --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:08 PM Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Macro may be hard, but you got it right here. Excellent shot. Paul -- Original message -- From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_ VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great butterfly capture! I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! Walt http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
