Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Hear..Hear, Boris! "Clearly" stated. Jack --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Boris Liberman wrote: > From: Boris Liberman > Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:16 PM > On 8/26/2010 9:04 PM, Daniel J. > Matyola wrote: > > I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax > Photo Gallery and > > the process of reviewing submissions. I find > that I am unable to > > predict what they will like and what they will > promptly reject. > > Oh, I find nothing to be mystified about, really, Daniel. > Have a look, the process is simple - photos get distributed > (as far as I can tell, purely at random) and fellow PPG'ers > are given a chance to vote thumb up or thumb down. Then, > whatever passes certain threshold is reviewed by some kind > of board or whatever and then photos either get accepted or > not. Given the randomness of the first stage of this > process, I see nothing that cannot be explained here. One > day you submit a photo and the bunch of guys looking at it > favors photos of this genre, and the other day it is not the > case. So, the same photo can be either through the peer > review stage or not. > > I should refrain however from passing a judgment on this > process... > > Boris > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
From: Boris Liberman On 8/26/2010 9:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax Photo Gallery and > the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I am unable to > predict what they will like and what they will promptly reject. Oh, I find nothing to be mystified about, really, Daniel. Have a look, the process is simple - photos get distributed (as far as I can tell, purely at random) and fellow PPG'ers are given a chance to vote thumb up or thumb down. Then, whatever passes certain threshold is reviewed by some kind of board or whatever and then photos either get accepted or not. Given the randomness of the first stage of this process, I see nothing that cannot be explained here. One day you submit a photo and the bunch of guys looking at it favors photos of this genre, and the other day it is not the case. So, the same photo can be either through the peer review stage or not. I should refrain however from passing a judgment on this process... Sounds like a charlie-foxtrot to me. They've adopted the worst features of both systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Pentax Photo Gallery
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax Photo Gallery and the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I am unable to predict what they will like and what they will promptly reject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXMz4TKrL-A -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
On 8/26/2010 9:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax Photo Gallery and the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I am unable to predict what they will like and what they will promptly reject. Oh, I find nothing to be mystified about, really, Daniel. Have a look, the process is simple - photos get distributed (as far as I can tell, purely at random) and fellow PPG'ers are given a chance to vote thumb up or thumb down. Then, whatever passes certain threshold is reviewed by some kind of board or whatever and then photos either get accepted or not. Given the randomness of the first stage of this process, I see nothing that cannot be explained here. One day you submit a photo and the bunch of guys looking at it favors photos of this genre, and the other day it is not the case. So, the same photo can be either through the peer review stage or not. I should refrain however from passing a judgment on this process... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Bruce Dayton wrote: You have a good memory. I did resubmit a few. I found no rhyme or reason to the decisions made. Images that had been accepted before were rejected and images that were rejected before were accepted. Sometimes a rejected image would be resubmitted and then accepted, etc. So between all that and the extremely clunky interface I finally gave up and moved on. I haven't really been back since. It has been a rather long time. Ditto. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
You have a good memory. I did resubmit a few. I found no rhyme or reason to the decisions made. Images that had been accepted before were rejected and images that were rejected before were accepted. Sometimes a rejected image would be resubmitted and then accepted, etc. So between all that and the extremely clunky interface I finally gave up and moved on. I haven't really been back since. It has been a rather long time. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. "Jack Davis" wrote: >Bruce, I clearly remember your pulling your 50+ images with the explanation, >if I recall correctly, that you intended to resubmit them to determine if they >would be accepted under the current standards. >You may have been one who began to submit images early on and at a time, >perhaps, when submission were ravenously accepted in an effort to develop a >gallery. As time passed and the gallery inventory increased, standards for >acceptance seemed to stiffen. >It was my assumption that you wanted to "test" your images against the current >and seemingly more stringent standards. I recall the respect and admiration, >actually expressed by some, you garnered by so doing. >From time to time I checked your gallery in the hope you would be pleased at >the rate of re-acceptance. Haven't done so for awhile. > >Jack > >--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Bruce Dayton wrote: > >> From: Bruce Dayton >> Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 9:47 PM >> I gave up a long time ago and pulled >> all my pictures off. Between the very inconsistent >> voting and the crazy interface it just wasn't worth the >> aggravation. Haven't been to the site in a long time. >> -- >> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. >> >> "Jack Davis" >> wrote: >> >> >Yeah, one has to be pretty well adjusted to wait out >> the time lag, doubtless created do to lack of interest in >> voting. >> >Still, it's a healthy incentive stimulated by the >> challenge of having their photographic efforts find >> approval. >> >The proof is in the obvious satisfaction gleefully >> expressed by many when announcing their work's acceptance. >> > >> >Jack >> > >> >--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Brian Walters >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Brian Walters >> >> Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery >> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> >> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:49 PM >> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob >> >> Studdert" >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > In any event, one thing that bothers me >> is the >> >> way the size limitation >> >> > > is structured. The recommended image >> size is >> >> 600 pixels high. There >> >> > > is no stated limit on width, however. >> That >> >> means the images in >> >> > > portrait orientation are much smaller -- >> in both >> >> the thumbnail and the >> >> > > "full" size -- than images in landscape >> >> orientation or even square >> >> > > images. I think that it makes it more >> difficult >> >> to get a portrait >> >> > > image in the gallery and worse, it makes >> it >> >> harder to appreciate those >> >> > > in the gallery that are in portrait >> orientation >> >> and therefore quite >> >> > > reduced in size. Has anyone else >> noticed this? >> >> > >> >> > I think the World's gone landscape in the >> digital >> >> realm, the tendency >> >> > towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors >> has left >> >> portrait >> >> > orientated images as a legacy of sorts, >> basically >> >> suitable for print >> >> > only, it's a pity. >> >> > >> >> > In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find >> the >> >> interface slow and >> >> > hideous and I don't subscribe to their >> philosophy >> >> regarding selection, >> >> > basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake >> you have to >> >> be tolerant of >> >> > the foibles of th
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Bruce, I clearly remember your pulling your 50+ images with the explanation, if I recall correctly, that you intended to resubmit them to determine if they would be accepted under the current standards. You may have been one who began to submit images early on and at a time, perhaps, when submission were ravenously accepted in an effort to develop a gallery. As time passed and the gallery inventory increased, standards for acceptance seemed to stiffen. It was my assumption that you wanted to "test" your images against the current and seemingly more stringent standards. I recall the respect and admiration, actually expressed by some, you garnered by so doing. >From time to time I checked your gallery in the hope you would be pleased at >the rate of re-acceptance. Haven't done so for awhile. Jack --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Bruce Dayton wrote: > From: Bruce Dayton > Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 9:47 PM > I gave up a long time ago and pulled > all my pictures off. Between the very inconsistent > voting and the crazy interface it just wasn't worth the > aggravation. Haven't been to the site in a long time. > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. > > "Jack Davis" > wrote: > > >Yeah, one has to be pretty well adjusted to wait out > the time lag, doubtless created do to lack of interest in > voting. > >Still, it's a healthy incentive stimulated by the > challenge of having their photographic efforts find > approval. > >The proof is in the obvious satisfaction gleefully > expressed by many when announcing their work's acceptance. > > > >Jack > > > >--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Brian Walters > wrote: > > > >> From: Brian Walters > >> Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:49 PM > >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob > >> Studdert" > >> > >> wrote: > >> > On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > In any event, one thing that bothers me > is the > >> way the size limitation > >> > > is structured. The recommended image > size is > >> 600 pixels high. There > >> > > is no stated limit on width, however. > That > >> means the images in > >> > > portrait orientation are much smaller -- > in both > >> the thumbnail and the > >> > > "full" size -- than images in landscape > >> orientation or even square > >> > > images. I think that it makes it more > difficult > >> to get a portrait > >> > > image in the gallery and worse, it makes > it > >> harder to appreciate those > >> > > in the gallery that are in portrait > orientation > >> and therefore quite > >> > > reduced in size. Has anyone else > noticed this? > >> > > >> > I think the World's gone landscape in the > digital > >> realm, the tendency > >> > towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors > has left > >> portrait > >> > orientated images as a legacy of sorts, > basically > >> suitable for print > >> > only, it's a pity. > >> > > >> > In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find > the > >> interface slow and > >> > hideous and I don't subscribe to their > philosophy > >> regarding selection, > >> > basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake > you have to > >> be tolerant of > >> > the foibles of the system. > >> > > >> > >> > >> I've long since stopped pondering what will make > an > >> 'acceptable' image > >> for the PPG. I just submit images that I like > and > >> shrug my shoulders > >> when they're rejected > >> > >> I participate for the challenge but I can't > imagine that > >> anyone would > >> ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's > for that > >> matter. That > >> interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 > generic > >> images load > >> before you can even look at the gallery can often > take up > >> to a minute - > >> and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate > at which > >> images appear > >> redefines the word 'sluggish'
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
I gave up a long time ago and pulled all my pictures off. Between the very inconsistent voting and the crazy interface it just wasn't worth the aggravation. Haven't been to the site in a long time. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. "Jack Davis" wrote: >Yeah, one has to be pretty well adjusted to wait out the time lag, doubtless >created do to lack of interest in voting. >Still, it's a healthy incentive stimulated by the challenge of having their >photographic efforts find approval. >The proof is in the obvious satisfaction gleefully expressed by many when >announcing their work's acceptance. > >Jack > >--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Brian Walters wrote: > >> From: Brian Walters >> Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:49 PM >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob >> Studdert" >> >> wrote: >> > On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola >> wrote: >> > >> > > In any event, one thing that bothers me is the >> way the size limitation >> > > is structured. The recommended image size is >> 600 pixels high. There >> > > is no stated limit on width, however. That >> means the images in >> > > portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both >> the thumbnail and the >> > > "full" size -- than images in landscape >> orientation or even square >> > > images. I think that it makes it more difficult >> to get a portrait >> > > image in the gallery and worse, it makes it >> harder to appreciate those >> > > in the gallery that are in portrait orientation >> and therefore quite >> > > reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? >> > >> > I think the World's gone landscape in the digital >> realm, the tendency >> > towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors has left >> portrait >> > orientated images as a legacy of sorts, basically >> suitable for print >> > only, it's a pity. >> > >> > In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find the >> interface slow and >> > hideous and I don't subscribe to their philosophy >> regarding selection, >> > basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake you have to >> be tolerant of >> > the foibles of the system. >> > >> >> >> I've long since stopped pondering what will make an >> 'acceptable' image >> for the PPG. I just submit images that I like and >> shrug my shoulders >> when they're rejected >> >> I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that >> anyone would >> ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that >> matter. That >> interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic >> images load >> before you can even look at the gallery can often take up >> to a minute - >> and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate at which >> images appear >> redefines the word 'sluggish'. >> >> If you have supersonic broadband, maybe you'd hang around >> for a bit but >> I doubt that many would. >> >> Very strange design. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian >> >> ++ >> Brian Walters >> Western Sydney Australia >> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ >> >> >> -- >> >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home >> and the web >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. >> > > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow >the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Yeah, one has to be pretty well adjusted to wait out the time lag, doubtless created do to lack of interest in voting. Still, it's a healthy incentive stimulated by the challenge of having their photographic efforts find approval. The proof is in the obvious satisfaction gleefully expressed by many when announcing their work's acceptance. Jack --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Brian Walters wrote: > From: Brian Walters > Subject: Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:49 PM > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob > Studdert" > > wrote: > > On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote: > > > > > In any event, one thing that bothers me is the > way the size limitation > > > is structured. The recommended image size is > 600 pixels high. There > > > is no stated limit on width, however. That > means the images in > > > portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both > the thumbnail and the > > > "full" size -- than images in landscape > orientation or even square > > > images. I think that it makes it more difficult > to get a portrait > > > image in the gallery and worse, it makes it > harder to appreciate those > > > in the gallery that are in portrait orientation > and therefore quite > > > reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? > > > > I think the World's gone landscape in the digital > realm, the tendency > > towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors has left > portrait > > orientated images as a legacy of sorts, basically > suitable for print > > only, it's a pity. > > > > In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find the > interface slow and > > hideous and I don't subscribe to their philosophy > regarding selection, > > basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake you have to > be tolerant of > > the foibles of the system. > > > > > I've long since stopped pondering what will make an > 'acceptable' image > for the PPG. I just submit images that I like and > shrug my shoulders > when they're rejected > > I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that > anyone would > ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that > matter. That > interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic > images load > before you can even look at the gallery can often take up > to a minute - > and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate at which > images appear > redefines the word 'sluggish'. > > If you have supersonic broadband, maybe you'd hang around > for a bit but > I doubt that many would. > > Very strange design. > > > > Cheers > > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ > > > -- > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home > and the web > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
On 27 August 2010 10:50, Brian Walters wrote: > I notice that if you hover the mouse over those images, the > photographer's name and image title appears. Is that a new feature? I > hadn't noticed it before. To the best of my recollection it's always done that. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:14 -0400, "paul stenquist" > wrote: >> > >>> >>> I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that anyone would >>> ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that matter. That >>> interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic images load >> t > > >> Hey, that's the best part. Two of them are mine:-). That being said, I >> haven't been there in a long, long time. >> Paul > > > > Actually, three of them are yours Better still. Thanks for pointing that out. > > I notice that if you hover the mouse over those images, the > photographer's name and image title appears. Is that a new feature? I > hadn't noticed it before. I never noticed. > > > Cheers > > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ > -- > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:14 -0400, "paul stenquist" wrote: > > > > > I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that anyone would > > ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that matter. That > > interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic images load > t > Hey, that's the best part. Two of them are mine:-). That being said, I > haven't been there in a long, long time. > Paul Actually, three of them are yours I notice that if you hover the mouse over those images, the photographer's name and image title appears. Is that a new feature? I hadn't noticed it before. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob Studdert" > wrote: >> On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >>> In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size limitation >>> is structured. The recommended image size is 600 pixels high. There >>> is no stated limit on width, however. That means the images in >>> portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the thumbnail and the >>> "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even square >>> images. I think that it makes it more difficult to get a portrait >>> image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to appreciate those >>> in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and therefore quite >>> reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? >> >> I think the World's gone landscape in the digital realm, the tendency >> towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors has left portrait >> orientated images as a legacy of sorts, basically suitable for print >> only, it's a pity. >> >> In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find the interface slow and >> hideous and I don't subscribe to their philosophy regarding selection, >> basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake you have to be tolerant of >> the foibles of the system. >> > > > I've long since stopped pondering what will make an 'acceptable' image > for the PPG. I just submit images that I like and shrug my shoulders > when they're rejected > > I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that anyone would > ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that matter. That > interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic images load t Hey, that's the best part. Two of them are mine:-). That being said, I haven't been there in a long, long time. Paul > before you can even look at the gallery can often take up to a minute - > and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate at which images appear > redefines the word 'sluggish'. > > If you have supersonic broadband, maybe you'd hang around for a bit but > I doubt that many would. > > Very strange design. > > > > Cheers > > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ > > > -- > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Brian Walters wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob Studdert" wrote: I've long since stopped pondering what will make an 'acceptable' image for the PPG. I just submit images that I like and shrug my shoulders when they're rejected I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that anyone would ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that matter. That interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic images load before you can even look at the gallery can often take up to a minute - and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate at which images appear redefines the word 'sluggish'. If you have supersonic broadband, maybe you'd hang around for a bit but I doubt that many would. Very strange design. I doubt that faster broadband would help. I expect that the PPG site is slow because of *very* badly implemented Flash. Every click causes it to refresh pieces of itself redundantly a number of times. It works slowly in most browsers, but in Safari it doesn't even allow me to navigate through any user's complete gallery. I'd love to see more of the terrific work there, but it's a no-go. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:25 +1000, "Rob Studdert" wrote: > On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > > In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size limitation > > is structured. The recommended image size is 600 pixels high. There > > is no stated limit on width, however. That means the images in > > portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the thumbnail and the > > "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even square > > images. I think that it makes it more difficult to get a portrait > > image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to appreciate those > > in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and therefore quite > > reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? > > I think the World's gone landscape in the digital realm, the tendency > towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors has left portrait > orientated images as a legacy of sorts, basically suitable for print > only, it's a pity. > > In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find the interface slow and > hideous and I don't subscribe to their philosophy regarding selection, > basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake you have to be tolerant of > the foibles of the system. > I've long since stopped pondering what will make an 'acceptable' image for the PPG. I just submit images that I like and shrug my shoulders when they're rejected I participate for the challenge but I can't imagine that anyone would ever go there to view my images, or anyone else's for that matter. That interface is simply bizzare. Waiting while the 12 generic images load before you can even look at the gallery can often take up to a minute - and once you're actually in and viewing, the rate at which images appear redefines the word 'sluggish'. If you have supersonic broadband, maybe you'd hang around for a bit but I doubt that many would. Very strange design. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
On 27 August 2010 04:04, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size limitation > is structured. The recommended image size is 600 pixels high. There > is no stated limit on width, however. That means the images in > portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the thumbnail and the > "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even square > images. I think that it makes it more difficult to get a portrait > image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to appreciate those > in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and therefore quite > reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? I think the World's gone landscape in the digital realm, the tendency towards video and wide aspect ratio monitors has left portrait orientated images as a legacy of sorts, basically suitable for print only, it's a pity. In any case I stay away from the PPG, I find the interface slow and hideous and I don't subscribe to their philosophy regarding selection, basically it's a crapshoot, if you partake you have to be tolerant of the foibles of the system. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Why do I bother? I guess because it's a bit of a challenge. The interface is a PITA, but the gallery has some really wonderful images, that I enjoy seeing, although I wish I could see larger versions. The picture of the yellow stairs seems broken because I cropped it that way. It was a very tight staircase inside a lighthouse, and the part missing on the bottom would be my shoes. I usually don't send people there to view my images. In fact, when I made a PESO yesterday out of the "Dining on Broadway" image, I liked to photo.net, rather than to the Pentax Gallery. Thanks for looking and taking the time to comment. Dan On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Dan, > Why do you bother? > The interface is slow and cumbersome. > The picture of the yellow stairs seems broken (bottom half missing). > I don't like to be sent there to view pictures. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote: >> I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax Photo Gallery and >> the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I am unable to >> predict what they will like and what they will promptly reject. >> >> The last three or four times I had submitted images, before this >> month, they took a long time to review them. Then, they would >> promptly reject most, and keep one or two "under review" for another 2 >> weeks before rejecting those as well. >> >> Then, I submitted 10 images two weeks ago, and they very quickly >> rejected one and accepted two. One of the ones the accepted was a >> "pretty postcard" that had been previously submitted and rejected. >> The other was this one: >> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTIST&subSection=1309043&subSubSection=10204520&language=EN >> >> While I like that image, I certainly didn't think it was the strongest >> I had submitted in that group, and I was shocked that it was accepted, >> let alone so quickly. Just as a test, I then posted that image here >> as a PESO, and it drew only ONE comment. I have learned here that if >> a PESO gets few comments, that means most of the photographers on this >> list considered it unworthy or worse, mundane. >> >> I now have a modest little gallery of 17 images on the Pentax Photo Gallery: >> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> I don't fool myself into thinking that is a measure of my skill as an >> artist, however, since a couple are cute little fawns that wandered >> into my yard and virtually forced me to take their portraits, and >> several others are landscapes of beautiful places that I have been >> lucky enough to visit on a nice day. There are only a few among the >> 17 that are original or artistic in any sense of those terms. >> >> In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size limitation >> is structured. The recommended image size is 600 pixels high. There >> is no stated limit on width, however. That means the images in >> portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the thumbnail and the >> "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even square >> images. I think that it makes it more difficult to get a portrait >> image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to appreciate those >> in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and therefore quite >> reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? >> >> In any event, I am pleased that they took 2 out of my last 10, and >> that seven more are still "under review." More than that, I have >> found the process of reviewing my images and trying to pick out the >> ones I think are the best candidates to be interesting and >> educational. It can be even more educational to see what the folks at >> the Pentax Gallery think of them. For example, they rejected most of >> my favorite diner images, including one shot taken inside of a diner >> that I think is one of my best images ever; but, they accepted >> another interior image of a diner, that I personally like but didn't >> think was nearly as good as the one they rejected. I spent almost an >> hour comparing the two the other day, and finally concluded it is just >> another case of "different strokes for different folks." >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Dan, Why do you bother? The interface is slow and cumbersome. The picture of the yellow stairs seems broken (bottom half missing). I don't like to be sent there to view pictures. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > I continue to be mystified by the official Pentax Photo Gallery and > the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I am unable to > predict what they will like and what they will promptly reject. > > The last three or four times I had submitted images, before this > month, they took a long time to review them. Then, they would > promptly reject most, and keep one or two "under review" for another 2 > weeks before rejecting those as well. > > Then, I submitted 10 images two weeks ago, and they very quickly > rejected one and accepted two. One of the ones the accepted was a > "pretty postcard" that had been previously submitted and rejected. > The other was this one: > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTIST&subSection=1309043&subSubSection=10204520&language=EN > > While I like that image, I certainly didn't think it was the strongest > I had submitted in that group, and I was shocked that it was accepted, > let alone so quickly. Just as a test, I then posted that image here > as a PESO, and it drew only ONE comment. I have learned here that if > a PESO gets few comments, that means most of the photographers on this > list considered it unworthy or worse, mundane. > > I now have a modest little gallery of 17 images on the Pentax Photo Gallery: > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > I don't fool myself into thinking that is a measure of my skill as an > artist, however, since a couple are cute little fawns that wandered > into my yard and virtually forced me to take their portraits, and > several others are landscapes of beautiful places that I have been > lucky enough to visit on a nice day. There are only a few among the > 17 that are original or artistic in any sense of those terms. > > In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size limitation > is structured. The recommended image size is 600 pixels high. There > is no stated limit on width, however. That means the images in > portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the thumbnail and the > "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even square > images. I think that it makes it more difficult to get a portrait > image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to appreciate those > in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and therefore quite > reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this? > > In any event, I am pleased that they took 2 out of my last 10, and > that seven more are still "under review." More than that, I have > found the process of reviewing my images and trying to pick out the > ones I think are the best candidates to be interesting and > educational. It can be even more educational to see what the folks at > the Pentax Gallery think of them. For example, they rejected most of > my favorite diner images, including one shot taken inside of a diner > that I think is one of my best images ever; but, they accepted > another interior image of a diner, that I personally like but didn't > think was nearly as good as the one they rejected. I spent almost an > hour comparing the two the other day, and finally concluded it is just > another case of "different strokes for different folks." > > Dan > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax Photo Gallery
Dan, I didn't finish reading this post, no time at the moment, but when you use
thew word "they" you're primarily talking about those who are submitting work.
The Pentax team ("they") doesn't get involved 'til, having survived the "Yes" &
"No" voting parameters, the images are passed along for final disposition.
No doubt the voting composition is continually changing.
Jack
--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> From: Daniel J. Matyola
> Subject: The Pentax Photo Gallery
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 11:04 AM
> I continue to be mystified by the
> official Pentax Photo Gallery and
> the process of reviewing submissions. I find that I
> am unable to
> predict what they will like and what they will promptly
> reject.
>
> The last three or four times I had submitted images, before
> this
> month, they took a long time to review them. Then,
> they would
> promptly reject most, and keep one or two "under review"
> for another 2
> weeks before rejecting those as well.
>
> Then, I submitted 10 images two weeks ago, and they very
> quickly
> rejected one and accepted two. One of the
> ones the accepted was a
> "pretty postcard" that had been previously submitted and
> rejected.
> The other was this one:
>
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTIST&subSection=1309043&subSubSection=10204520&language=EN
>
> While I like that image, I certainly didn't think it was
> the strongest
> I had submitted in that group, and I was shocked that it
> was accepted,
> let alone so quickly. Just as a test, I then posted
> that image here
> as a PESO, and it drew only ONE comment. I have
> learned here that if
> a PESO gets few comments, that means most of the
> photographers on this
> list considered it unworthy or worse, mundane.
>
> I now have a modest little gallery of 17 images on the
> Pentax Photo Gallery:
>
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> I don't fool myself into thinking that is a measure of my
> skill as an
> artist, however, since a couple are cute little fawns that
> wandered
> into my yard and virtually forced me to take their
> portraits, and
> several others are landscapes of beautiful places that I
> have been
> lucky enough to visit on a nice day. There are only a
> few among the
> 17 that are original or artistic in any sense of those
> terms.
>
> In any event, one thing that bothers me is the way the size
> limitation
> is structured. The recommended image size is 600
> pixels high. There
> is no stated limit on width, however. That means the
> images in
> portrait orientation are much smaller -- in both the
> thumbnail and the
> "full" size -- than images in landscape orientation or even
> square
> images. I think that it makes it more difficult to
> get a portrait
> image in the gallery and worse, it makes it harder to
> appreciate those
> in the gallery that are in portrait orientation and
> therefore quite
> reduced in size. Has anyone else noticed this?
>
> In any event, I am pleased that they took 2 out of my last
> 10, and
> that seven more are still "under review." More than
> that, I have
> found the process of reviewing my images and trying to pick
> out the
> ones I think are the best candidates to be interesting and
> educational. It can be even more educational to see
> what the folks at
> the Pentax Gallery think of them. For example, they
> rejected most of
> my favorite diner images, including one shot taken inside
> of a diner
> that I think is one of my best images ever; but, they
> accepted
> another interior image of a diner, that I personally like
> but didn't
> think was nearly as good as the one they rejected. I
> spent almost an
> hour comparing the two the other day, and finally concluded
> it is just
> another case of "different strokes for different folks."
>
> Dan
>
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