RE: Vuescan Software
Yes. Don't know. It is generally reckoned to be the best scanning software for the likes of us. You should be able to try the trial version before deciding whether or not to pay for it. It doesn't cost much anyway. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Hamler Sent: 11 September 2008 19:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Vuescan Software OK, I am not the brightest bulb in the pack. I just found out that there is such a thing as Vuescan. Does anyone out there use it and will it improve output from flatbed and film scanners? I have an old HP Photosmart S20 and an old Canon 660 flatbed. Both work fine but if the new software would be an improvement I'm game to buy it. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Vuescan
If dollar signs are in your eyes in trial 3rd party scanning software, try SilverFast. The demo versions last forever, but they imprint your final image with SilverFast emblazed on it several times. You can spend months deciding if you want to cough up the dough. P Kong wrote: That I'll agree with you. The user's guide could be more explanatory. Right now, I'm scanning only a couple of rolls to get the feel of the software. But it's a little disconcerting looking at the scan with dollar signs all over because I am using the trial software. Pat in SF
Re: Vuescan
At 02:07 AM 3/5/2004, Alin wrote: Are there people on this list still scanning!? I thought film dried out in the digiland... ;o) Call me slow to modernize. =) As everyone is jumping into digi-land, I'm getting into inexpensive scanner land. I still like prints too much and can't afford to print all my own at this point. Although I guess I could shoot digi and have them printed at the lab. But I can't afford a DSLR and can't stand shutter lag anymore on a digi PS. Vuescan on the other hand allows access to the entire latitude of the negative and consequently produces much more smooth images. snip I agree though its user interface has a steep learning curve. That I'll agree with you. The user's guide could be more explanatory. Right now, I'm scanning only a couple of rolls to get the feel of the software. But it's a little disconcerting looking at the scan with dollar signs all over because I am using the trial software. Pat in SF
Re: Vuescan
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 05:54, David Mann wrote: I'm still kinda p--d off at HP for making that scanner Windows-only. Even Vuescan only supports it under Windows. Are you sure? I use Vuescan under Windows XP and SuSE Linux 8.1, and it supports my flatbed and filmscanner under both OS's. In fact it is the only way I can still use my flatbed scanner, under Windows the manufacturers driver doesn't seem to work anymore, and under Linux there is no driver for the transparency adap[ter, although I can use it as a regular flatbed. My film scanner is not supported under linux by anything else then Vuescan, Benq, the manufacturer doesn't support at all with the development of a linux driver. -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vuescan
Alan wrote: AC The problem with Vuescan is that each version has different colour rendition AC when scanning colour negatives. Still a very nice software though. I only used one version of Vuescan so far, but this looks like a change in the built-in scanner profile rather than a software problem. It's my understanding that Steve (?) Hamrick resorts to volunteers to calibrate and refine scanner profiles. Perhaps if you use an external color profile you'll get more consistent results across versions. Servus, Alin
Re: Vuescan
With Vuescan you can create a profile yourself. I didn't try that one myself yet. On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:52, Alin Flaider wrote: Alan wrote: AC The problem with Vuescan is that each version has different colour rendition AC when scanning colour negatives. Still a very nice software though. I only used one version of Vuescan so far, but this looks like a change in the built-in scanner profile rather than a software problem. It's my understanding that Steve (?) Hamrick resorts to volunteers to calibrate and refine scanner profiles. Perhaps if you use an external color profile you'll get more consistent results across versions. Servus, Alin -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vuescan
The HP usb stuff was not supported by Linux until very recently. When I check a few months back they specifically said the S-20 and my usb CD-RW were not supported. Now they are (or at least I hope so, have not yet tried using them, at least they are found at start up). I would guess HP finally released the relevant data to the linux usb developers. -- Frits Wüthrich wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 05:54, David Mann wrote: I'm still kinda p--d off at HP for making that scanner Windows-only. Even Vuescan only supports it under Windows. Are you sure? I use Vuescan under Windows XP and SuSE Linux 8.1, and it supports my flatbed and filmscanner under both OS's. In fact it is the only way I can still use my flatbed scanner, under Windows the manufacturers driver doesn't seem to work anymore, and under Linux there is no driver for the transparency adap[ter, although I can use it as a regular flatbed. My film scanner is not supported under linux by anything else then Vuescan, Benq, the manufacturer doesn't support at all with the development of a linux driver. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Vuescan
My filmscanner is absolutely not supported by Linux, however Vuescan running under Linux does support it. Vuescan doesn't use OS or manufacturers drivers, it uses it's own, so I would assume your scanner is also supported by Vuescan under linux. On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 17:35, graywolf wrote: The HP usb stuff was not supported by Linux until very recently. When I check a few months back they specifically said the S-20 and my usb CD-RW were not supported. Now they are (or at least I hope so, have not yet tried using them, at least they are found at start up). I would guess HP finally released the relevant data to the linux usb developers. -- Frits Wüthrich wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 05:54, David Mann wrote: I'm still kinda p--d off at HP for making that scanner Windows-only. Even Vuescan only supports it under Windows. Are you sure? I use Vuescan under Windows XP and SuSE Linux 8.1, and it supports my flatbed and filmscanner under both OS's. In fact it is the only way I can still use my flatbed scanner, under Windows the manufacturers driver doesn't seem to work anymore, and under Linux there is no driver for the transparency adap[ter, although I can use it as a regular flatbed. My film scanner is not supported under linux by anything else then Vuescan, Benq, the manufacturer doesn't support at all with the development of a linux driver. -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vuescan
On Mar 6, 2004, at 23:19, Frits Wthrich wrote: Are you sure? I use Vuescan under Windows XP and SuSE Linux 8.1, and it supports my flatbed and filmscanner under both OS's. Direct from the Vuescan supported scanners site: --- USB Film Scanners supported: (snip) HP PhotoSmart S20 (Windows only) --- I don't know why. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Vuescan
Pat, Are there people on this list still scanning!? I thought film dried out in the digiland... ;o) I wouldn't know about HP, but certainly the Minolta scanner software is a joke when it comes to scanning negatives. Apparently it heavily cuts the tones from both ends of the histogram with no manual control from the user. Its raw images result with burnt out highlights and black shadows, and even worse, with added noise that someone might take it mistakenly fro grain. Worst of all is that it does the processing on a per-frame base, so that two consecutive frames identically exposed but differing by, say, the area the sky occupies, result in different hues and contrast. Vuescan on the other hand allows access to the entire latitude of the negative and consequently produces much more smooth images. Grain is much less noticeable. Also results are quite consistent on the same roll. For best consistency you might want to scan the first empty frame of the roll and lock exposure and base color. I agree though its user interface has a steep learning curve. Servus, Alin Pat wrote: PK Thanks to discussion on the list, I'm trying the Vuescan demo. I'm quite PK surprised at the differences produced by Vuescan and the scanner's own PK software. I am using an HP Photosmart S20 scanner. I scanned one roll of PK color negative film w/ the HP software and re-scanned using the Vuescan PK software. PK The scans from the HP software were really dark murky and would need some PK work in Photoshop. The dust particles were also more apparent. The Vuescan PK files are much brighter and colorful and dust less pronounced (I did not PK particularly go out of my way to dust off the negatives or the scanner PK between scans). The HP software is much more intuitive to use. Even after PK reading the Vuescan directions, I spent over 30 minutes trying to get the PK crop box properly aligned before scanning. The results seem to be worth the PK effort, though. Will need to try a couple more scans.
Re: Vuescan
FWIW, my one attempt to try Vuescan ended when it caused an instant reboot of my computer. :-) S P Kong wrote: Thanks to discussion on the list, I'm trying the Vuescan demo. I'm quite surprised at the differences produced by Vuescan and the scanner's own software. I am using an HP Photosmart S20 scanner. I scanned one roll of color negative film w/ the HP software and re-scanned using the Vuescan software.
Re: Vuescan
Hardware, I reckon, although a full Windows reinstall is also on my list of things to do when I have a lot of time to spare... S Alan Chan wrote: Sounds like an OS issue to me. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan FWIW, my one attempt to try Vuescan ended when it caused an instant reboot of my computer. :-)
Re: VueScan
I have looked at the DCRAW sources last week, and one part that is missing for Pentax PEF format is reading the white-balance as set on the camera and use that as a basis for the conversion. At the moment DCRAW completely ignores that setting, so you have to specify a specific white-balance correction on every image. They use a green-multiply and a blue-multiply value for that. So what is needed is some code that interprets the Pentax specific white-balance camera settings, and translates that to the proper multiply values for DCRAW. But John Francis has been digging deeper into this stuff so I am pretty sure he will have some more details ... Well, I know something about what the Pentax code does, at any rate. It looks as though a first guess at values for dcraw green and blue multipliers might be as follows for the eight white balance presets: 1: 0.67 0.62 Daylight 2: 0.61 0.51 Cloudy 3: 0.58 0.44 Shade 4: 0.54 0.52 Daylight Fluorescent Light 5: 0.63 0.69 Neutral White Fluorescent Light 6: 0.70 0.93 White Fluorescent Light 7: 1.05 2.00 Tungsten Light 8: 0.57 0.49 Flash But the translation to RGB space is rsther more complicated than the simple linear scaling that dcraw uses.
Re: VueScan
i'm looking into what it will take to write a Photoshop import filter plugin. what do you think the function should be? Herb... - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: VueScan Well, I know something about what the Pentax code does, at any rate. It looks as though a first guess at values for dcraw green and blue multipliers might be as follows for the eight white balance presets: 1: 0.67 0.62 Daylight 2: 0.61 0.51 Cloudy 3: 0.58 0.44 Shade 4: 0.54 0.52 Daylight Fluorescent Light 5: 0.63 0.69 Neutral White Fluorescent Light 6: 0.70 0.93 White Fluorescent Light 7: 1.05 2.00 Tungsten Light 8: 0.57 0.49 Flash But the translation to RGB space is rsther more complicated than the simple linear scaling that dcraw uses.
Re: VueScan
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong Subject: Re: VueScan i'm looking into what it will take to write a Photoshop import filter plugin. what do you think the function should be? How about something that will translate the PEF format into something Photoshop can use (maybe PSD?) directly... William Robb
Re: VueScan
Hi Brian, On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:11:10 -0800, Brian Dipert wrote: I've copied Ed and Dave on this posting...I believe that someone (John Francis?) mentioned that dcraw has some PEF limitations at the moment (white balance-related?). I'm sure they'd appreciate the clarification if someone more knowledgeable in this area could reply I have looked at the DCRAW sources last week, and one part that is missing for Pentax PEF format is reading the white-balance as set on the camera and use that as a basis for the conversion. At the moment DCRAW completely ignores that setting, so you have to specify a specific white-balance correction on every image. They use a green-multiply and a blue-multiply value for that. So what is needed is some code that interprets the Pentax specific white-balance camera settings, and translates that to the proper multiply values for DCRAW. But John Francis has been digging deeper into this stuff so I am pretty sure he will have some more details ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Re: Re: Vuescan users quiry
Brendan. What do you do with the raw tif files.Just store them or convert in PS etc. Dave(gett'n a spot meter soon)Brooks Begin Original Message From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:18:29 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vuescan users quiry the 4000 dpi scans I get are about 95 megs 5700x3900 from slides. --- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to give smaller files than the Epson software and Silverfast too.Most of my 35mm colour negs files are in the 10meg range with jpgs just under 1 meg,even lees with BW. A 2820ppi TIFF file is about 56MB (3900x2600ppi) on my PC using Vuescan. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Vuescan users quiry
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 15:24, Andre Langevin wrote: Dave Brooks: A quiry or two though. I scan and save both the raw tiff file and the jpg file but i'm just wondering what i can do with the tif file as it looks to me like it is the neg image.Is this file reloadable to vuescan yes. The advantage is that you won't need to rescan it. You'll be able to process the raw scan through a future (possibly better) version of vuescan. or can it be reversed and worked on in PS or what have you. Anytime. You can do your own work on it, using PS auto settings (auto-contrast, etc.) or playing manually with curves and all. Also the web site suggests over 200 film profiles,but could be wrong here,dont seem to see that many.Have i screwed up in the download or do i need to contact Ed for more. One of the one's i am missing is NPZ which i just tried a roll of and i like this one a lot. There are a lot when you are in color neg setting. But they are still not all there. NPZ is Neopan? In black and white, there are only a few films and they can be used as generic settings with a few different curves going with the type of exposure/developpment you gave to your film (T-Max or Tri-X; different densities) I see now why Aaron shoots this. It seems to give smaller files than the Epson software and Silverfast too. Some compression involved. TIFF compression cuts it in two. Most of my 35mm colour negs files are in the 10meg range Either TIFF with compression (then they would get in the 20meg when you open them in PS) or you scanned at 1350 dpi instead of 2700 dpi (or whatever the resolution of your scanner). with jpgs just under 1 meg,even lees with BW. Only printed one colour and 3 BW's so far but i like what its giving me. Any comments to help a scanner newbeg There is a few very good sites on digital lab work. Hours, days, months of study in there... http://digitaldog.net/tips.html for example. Andre On my previous PC, a Pentium II - 350MHz, it was faster to save the TIFF file without compression. Apparently the compression took some time. With the check box ticked for compression the files were about 30% smaller was my experience. I use Vuescan both on Windows and on the same PC on Linux. Works great. -- Frits Wüthrich Pentaxianado
Re: Vuescan users quiry
It seems to give smaller files than the Epson software and Silverfast too.Most of my 35mm colour negs files are in the 10meg range with jpgs just under 1 meg,even lees with BW. A 2820ppi TIFF file is about 56MB (3900x2600ppi) on my PC using Vuescan. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Vuescan users quiry
the 4000 dpi scans I get are about 95 megs 5700x3900 from slides. --- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to give smaller files than the Epson software and Silverfast too.Most of my 35mm colour negs files are in the 10meg range with jpgs just under 1 meg,even lees with BW. A 2820ppi TIFF file is about 56MB (3900x2600ppi) on my PC using Vuescan. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Vuescan
My browser does not get redirected. I'm using IE5 though. Herbet. --- "Frits_J._Wüthrich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I want to goto http://www.hamrick.com I get redirected immediately to http://home.verio.com/index.cfm?rd=best Why? Anyone knows? Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Vuescan
If he fixes his hosts file, he won't have the problem. Len --- -Original Message- From: herbet brasileiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vuescan My browser does not get redirected. I'm using IE5 though. Herbet. --- "Frits_J._Wthrich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I want to goto http://www.hamrick.com I get redirected immediately to http://home.verio.com/index.cfm?rd=best Why? Anyone knows? Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Vuescan
Bingo! Thank you very much Len! Frits Do you have a hosts file on your computer? If you do, you may need to update it or temporarily rename the file to something else and then try www.hamrick.com again. Len --- When I want to goto http://www.hamrick.com I get redirected immediately to http://home.verio.com/index.cfm?rd=best Why? Anyone knows? Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vuescan
"Frits J. Wthrich" wrote: When I want to goto http://www.hamrick.com I get redirected immediately to http://home.verio.com/index.cfm?rd=best Why? Anyone knows? Frits Must be something that your ISP is doing (or somebody between your ISP and hamrick.com) - I have no problems getting to the site. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: vuescan web site problem
Hi John, My apologies - the correct url is http://www.hamrick.com That is the website for the VueScan software. A great website for learning about what sets film scanners apart is http://www.imaging-resource.com They have very detailed reviews of various scanners and you can see the differences in colour and resolution. By the way, I had an HP Photosmart S20 for a couple of weeks and I was pleased with its performance with the VueScan software. The software supplied by HP does the job but it is not as versatile as VueScan. However, there is a bit of a learning curve to using VueScan. Anyways, you can probably find some good deals on the S20 as it is a discontinued model. Here is a photo that was scanned using the S20: http://www.silver-pixel.net/showphoto.php?id=63 This image looks better on my monitor than the original 4x6 print - film scanners can capture a very wide range of light intensities from negatives and slides. Let me know if you have any other questions - I was rushed when I replied to your post and I might've left off a few things. -Gerald On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the valuable info, Gerald. I tried to get to your site to learn about VueScan: (http://www.hamrick.net) but that puts you into a trap. Have they changed your access? Thanks again, JJ J. John Cohen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Immunology, B-184 University of Colorado Medical School Denver, CO 80262, USA phone: +1 303 315-8898 fax: +1 303 315-5967 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, visit http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions.
