Re: Stupid iPad

[Steve Cottrell]

On 11/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The last version of Final Cut Studio contained Final Cut Pro 7. I was
>wondering 
>if you could upgrade just the Final Cut Pro component or the Compressor 
>component after Final Cut Studio was discontinued.?

Yes you can.

In fact Compressor is still available and supported. I have the latest version.



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Re: Stupid iPad

[Bruce Nagel]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:21 -0400, P. J. Alling  wrote:


I'd never say anything about your taste, mostly because I haven't tasted
you, and probably wouldn't want to.


MARK!



On 6/10/2019 8:02 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

I almost never lack for inspiration, sometimes skill, often taste, but rarely 
for something to photograph.

On June 10, 2019 4:41:45 PM PDT, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 10/6/19, l...@red4est.com, discombobulated, unleashed:


I don't know what I'd do these days if I had a problem and my network
connection was down.

In that case the correct procedure is to pick up a good book by your
favourite photographer and sit down for some inspiration. With a really
hot cup of tea.


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Re: Stupid iPad

[John]

On 6/11/2019 06:18:41, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 10/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


Could you upgrade the individual components of Final Cut Studio
separately?


Absolutely. The big jumo was FCS 2 to 3 back in 2007? In any event now FCP7
is not supported anymore (having been replaced with FCPX) but I still use it
every day and in professional situations. It works perfectly well for what I
want it to do and I know it pretty well. I'll probably only be using it for
work for another few years so no need to change.



The last version of Final Cut Studio contained Final Cut Pro 7. I was wondering 
if you could upgrade just the Final Cut Pro component or the Compressor 
component after Final Cut Studio was discontinued.?


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Re: Stupid iPad

[P. J. Alling]

I'd never say anything about your taste, mostly because I haven't tasted 
you, and probably wouldn't want to.


On 6/10/2019 8:02 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

I almost never lack for inspiration, sometimes skill, often taste, but rarely 
for something to photograph.

On June 10, 2019 4:41:45 PM PDT, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 10/6/19, l...@red4est.com, discombobulated, unleashed:


I don't know what I'd do these days if I had a problem and my network
connection was down.

In that case the correct procedure is to pick up a good book by your
favourite photographer and sit down for some inspiration. With a really
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Re: Stupid iPad

[David J Brooks]

speaking of concrete. There are two types of concrete in the world
Concrete that has cracked
Concrete that has not cracked, yet.

Dave

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:19 AM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 10/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Could you upgrade the individual components of Final Cut Studio
> separately?
>
> Absolutely. The big jumo was FCS 2 to 3 back in 2007? In any event now
> FCP7 is not supported anymore (having been replaced with FCPX) but I still
> use it every day and in professional situations. It works perfectly well
> for what I want it to do and I know it pretty well. I'll probably only be
> using it for work for another few years so no need to change.
>
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Steve Cottrell]

On 10/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Could you upgrade the individual components of Final Cut Studio separately?

Absolutely. The big jumo was FCS 2 to 3 back in 2007? In any event now FCP7 is 
not supported anymore (having been replaced with FCPX) but I still use it every 
day and in professional situations. It works perfectly well for what I want it 
to do and I know it pretty well. I'll probably only be using it for work for 
another few years so no need to change.

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Re: Stupid iPad

[John]

On 6/10/2019 23:27:41, Larry Colen wrote:



John wrote on 6/10/19 8:15 PM:

On 6/9/2019 22:04:16, Larry Colen wrote:



Mark Roberts wrote on 6/9/19 6:30 PM:




The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
simple task.


You'd think they'd provide something intuitive like a terminal window and scp.


Or maybe "Man" pages?


As I said elsewhere, from within the terminal, you have access to both apropos 
and man, so at least the documentation in the terminal is up to Unix standards.  
If you consider that damning with faint praise, you are welcome to draw your own 
conclusions.





My knowledge of Unix/Linux is rudimentary at best. About 30 years ago I worked 
for a security company (fire and burglar alarms) that dumped a host based system 
on me to configure for a major national a client at one of their regional 
distribution centers.


I got about an hour of the vendor's representative showing me how to "program" 
it before he looks at his watch and says "Oh, I gotta' catch a plane to 
Cleveland. Good luck!" and disappears out the door leaving me holding the bag.


I'm pretty sure the box it all ran on was a DEC MicroVAX 2000. I do remember the 
"terminals" were DEC, a VT420 connected directly to the host and a pair of 
remote VT200s down at the guard shack..


The two things I managed to latch on to during his instruction were how to call 
up man pages for the various commands on the host terminal and how to redirect 
the output to the line printer.


That was my training in UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems.





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Re: Stupid iPad

[John]

Could you upgrade the individual components of Final Cut Studio separately?

On 6/10/2019 16:40:15, Steve Cottrell wrote:
As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new around 
2006 was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5 books!) and I

find them easy to read, very clear in instruction, and easy to search in.
I have never bothered with the software manuals as I enjoy picking them up 
and reading them when I have a problem, which is rare.


I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for granted. My
wife is a prime example. She's taken over doing the annual accounts for her 
branch of the Green Party, and uses an Excel template. When something goes 
wrong or she wants to do something she doesn't now how to, she immediately 
asks me 'how do I do this?' somehow expecting me to know the answer. I use 
a lot of computer software, primarily things like Final Cut and Photoshop, 
and occasionally MS Office.


Recently she asked about an Excel issue which I didn't know the answer to, 
so she asked me how we could go about finding out! I said, well, it looks 
like I'm going to have to stop whatever it is I'm doing, find the relevant  > help section, read it, figure out your issue and rectify it. Oh good, she

said, I'll go and pit the kettle on.

*sigh*




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Re: Stupid iPad

[Larry Colen]

John wrote on 6/10/19 8:15 PM:

On 6/9/2019 22:04:16, Larry Colen wrote:



Mark Roberts wrote on 6/9/19 6:30 PM:




The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
simple task.


You'd think they'd provide something intuitive like a terminal window 
and scp.


Or maybe "Man" pages?


As I said elsewhere, from within the terminal, you have access to both 
apropos and man, so at least the documentation in the terminal is up to 
Unix standards.  If you consider that damning with faint praise, you are 
welcome to draw your own conclusions.



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Re: Stupid iPad

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 6/10/19 9:57 AM:


Regards "the fucking manuals", Larry, since I was a tech support engineer, technology 
manager, and later a staff writer at Apple for years and years, I take personal offense when you 
say Apple decided not to provide manuals anymore. Apple produced terabytes worth of manuals over 
the years, and still does. In the olde days, they were beautiful hard and soft bound books, 
pamphlets, instruction manuals, etc. No one wanted them anymore about a decade and a half ago, they 
wanted online docs. So Apple moved all that data into web presented documents and online help. More 
people use them, but of course everyone like you complains about the lack of printed documentation 
... that they never read anyway. They still don't read the online help and web documentation as 
much as they should, depending instead on half-baked hearsay and often scary "wisdom" 
provided by Google searches and slash-dot. Of course, the UNIX documentation suite is all there in 
a Terminal window, if you ever chose to look at it.

So go RTFM yourself. *I* wrote, edited, and made sure to the greatest extent 
that I could that the fucking stuff was both there and well presented, at least 
within the context of my job which was development information about the Xcode 
IDE, compilers, linkers, various different development platform tools and 
frameworks, and some of the hardware that allows things like CarPlay to exist. 
The stress of that job over a half a decade's work very very nearly killed me, 
and I'm not fucking kidding when I said killed, and forced my early retirement 
in order to save my life.


Godfrey, being a few years your junior I do not have quite so many years 
reading and writing computer documentation as you do, but my experience 
is still measured in decades.  I have no doubt that you wrote some very 
fine documentation, and I very likely never saw a line of it.


When I got my iMac, after a couple decades of using Linux (and other 
versions of Unix), MSDOS, TRSDOS, RSTS-11, CP/M, and too many other 
operating systems to remember, much less count, I found the much vaunted 
intuitive user interface to be opaque, and difficult to figure out.  I 
tried using the supplied documentation to figure out how to do simple 
basic tasks, and shortly gave up and gave Mr. Pogue my money, because 
despite any bright spots I saw in Apple software, the documentation that 
I attempted to use was a terrible blot.




I still think that there are many fine aspects of Apple products but all 
too often their user manual make me miss the clarity of Linux 
documentation.  And if you really want to hear what I sound like when 
I'm annoyed, ask me about Adobe's written documentation.



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Re: Stupid iPad

[John]

On 6/9/2019 22:04:16, Larry Colen wrote:



Mark Roberts wrote on 6/9/19 6:30 PM:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an iOS device,
you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. It’s not
hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, PDFs, and
all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, Macs, and
Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an app or two.


The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
simple task.


You'd think they'd provide something intuitive like a terminal window and scp.


Or maybe "Man" pages?

Even dumb 'ol Windoze managed to do something like that. Open a CMD window and 
type a command followed by "/?" and it will give you some information on how to 
use the command.



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Re: Stupid iPad

[John]

On 6/9/2019 22:06:42, Larry Colen wrote:



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 6/9/19 6:40 PM:
No one is born with the knowledge of how to operate a computer. Of course it 
takes learning, and of course it takes code.


And that is why, for decades, the first step to do something on a computer is 
RTFM.  However, Apple no longer provides fucking manuals.
Although considering the quality of their documentation, that could be 
considered a slight improvement.






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Re: Stupid iPad

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I almost never lack for inspiration, sometimes skill, often taste, but rarely 
for something to photograph.

On June 10, 2019 4:41:45 PM PDT, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>On 10/6/19, l...@red4est.com, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> I don't know what I'd do these days if I had a problem and my network
>>connection was down.
>
>In that case the correct procedure is to pick up a good book by your
>favourite photographer and sit down for some inspiration. With a really
>hot cup of tea.
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Steve Cottrell]

On 10/6/19, l...@red4est.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I don't know what I'd do these days if I had a problem and my network
>connection was down.

In that case the correct procedure is to pick up a good book by your favourite 
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Steve Cottrell]

On 10/6/19, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Well Cotty, I no longer take for granted that my iPad has a working
>keyboard.

I've come to the conclusion that nothing - and I mean nothing - is absolute. 
Doesn't matter if it's an iPad, a car, a house. Nothing!

There's only degrees of 'finished' and 'ready'.

It's just a shame that a lot of stuff is in such a poor state of readiness 
before it is released onto us shmucks. We're the real test-beds for anything 
and everything. These days, I buy something and I fully expect to have to adapt 
it or modify it to meet my standards.

To be fair, I find most Apple stuff works really well. My current MacBook pro, 
a 2012 vintage, is faultless and keeps going. Although I did pop an SSD into 
it, but that's not modification, just a little updating. Housekeeping, if you 
like.

I found the iPhones generally worked pretty well, but eventually tired of them. 
My BlackBerry KeyOne is the best phone I've ever had - including the 6 previous 
iPhones since 2007 and various Palms and whatnot before that.

But I keep a foot in the Apple world with an iPad Mini 2 which does a good job. 
When it eventually dies though, I'll probably replace it with a Samsung Tab. I 
like the Android stuff. Feels like walking around a Souq instead a state-run 
shopping mall.

A while back I bought a sextant. I'm *really* looking forward to learning to 
use that :-)

And to learn, I will pick up  a book.

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Re: Stupid iPad

[lrc]

I'm afraid that software these days makes me wish it had Unix man pages.  I 
will give Apple props that the terminal shell is still there man pages and all.

When I got my first iMac I found the missing manual book to be indispensable. I 
don't know what I'd do these days if I had a problem and my network connection 
was down.

On June 10, 2019 4:23:14 PM PDT, "P. J. Alling"  
wrote:
>Sadly the level of documentation for just about everything has reached 
>the level of UNIX' original Man pages, which ran the gamut from obscure
>
>to impenetrable.  Useful perhaps if you already knew what you were 
>doing, but needed a hint for an operation not normally used, but not 
>much else.
>
>On 6/10/2019 4:40 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new
>around 2006 was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5
>books!) and I find them easy to read, very clear in instruction, and
>easy to search in. I have never bothered with the software manuals as I
>enjoy picking them up and reading them when I have a problem, which is
>rare.
>>
>> I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for
>granted. My wife is a prime example. She's taken over doing the annual
>accounts for her branch of the Green Party, and uses an Excel template.
>When something goes wrong or she wants to do something she doesn't now
>how to, she immediately asks me 'how do I do this?' somehow expecting
>me to know the answer. I use a lot of computer software, primarily
>things like Final Cut and Photoshop, and occasionally MS Office.
>>
>> Recently she asked about an Excel issue which I didn't know the
>answer to, so she asked me how we could go about finding out! I said,
>well, it looks like I'm going to have to stop whatever it is I'm doing,
>find the relevant help section, read it, figure out your issue and
>rectify it. Oh good, she said, I'll go and pit the kettle on.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
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Re: Stupid iPad

[P. J. Alling]

Sadly the level of documentation for just about everything has reached 
the level of UNIX' original Man pages, which ran the gamut from obscure 
to impenetrable.  Useful perhaps if you already knew what you were 
doing, but needed a hint for an operation not normally used, but not 
much else.


On 6/10/2019 4:40 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new around 2006 
was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5 books!) and I find them 
easy to read, very clear in instruction, and easy to search in. I have never 
bothered with the software manuals as I enjoy picking them up and reading them 
when I have a problem, which is rare.

I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for granted. My wife 
is a prime example. She's taken over doing the annual accounts for her branch 
of the Green Party, and uses an Excel template. When something goes wrong or 
she wants to do something she doesn't now how to, she immediately asks me 'how 
do I do this?' somehow expecting me to know the answer. I use a lot of computer 
software, primarily things like Final Cut and Photoshop, and occasionally MS 
Office.

Recently she asked about an Excel issue which I didn't know the answer to, so 
she asked me how we could go about finding out! I said, well, it looks like I'm 
going to have to stop whatever it is I'm doing, find the relevant help section, 
read it, figure out your issue and rectify it. Oh good, she said, I'll go and 
pit the kettle on.

*sigh*


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Re: Stupid iPad

[P. J. Alling]

I remember when using Mac OS was easier than Windows, and certainly 
easier than DOS.  Now, you plug your device into a USB port on the 
computer, and if it is recognized, and damn few devices aren't, it 
defaults to storage, and you just copy the files back and forth using 
whatever method you please.  My experience with Linux UNIX and Android 
are pretty much the same. I haven't seriously considered an Apple 
product, since I was told that I'd need a dongle to allow me to write 
code for it.   I guess I carry a grudge for a long time.


On 6/9/2019 10:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Mark Roberts wrote on 6/9/19 6:30 PM:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an 
iOS device,
you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. 
It’s not
hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, 
PDFs, and
all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, 
Macs, and
Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an 
app or two.


The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
simple task.


You'd think they'd provide something intuitive like a terminal window 
and scp.






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Re: Stupid iPad

[William Robb]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new around
> 2006 was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5 books!) and I
> find them easy to read, very clear in instruction, and easy to search in. I
> have never bothered with the software manuals as I enjoy picking them up
> and reading them when I have a problem, which is rare.
>
> I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for granted.


Well Cotty, I no longer take for granted that my iPad has a working
keyboard.
It makes a pretty good stand for the device though.



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Re: Stupid iPad

[Steve Cottrell]

As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new around 2006 
was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5 books!) and I find them 
easy to read, very clear in instruction, and easy to search in. I have never 
bothered with the software manuals as I enjoy picking them up and reading them 
when I have a problem, which is rare.

I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for granted. My wife 
is a prime example. She's taken over doing the annual accounts for her branch 
of the Green Party, and uses an Excel template. When something goes wrong or 
she wants to do something she doesn't now how to, she immediately asks me 'how 
do I do this?' somehow expecting me to know the answer. I use a lot of computer 
software, primarily things like Final Cut and Photoshop, and occasionally MS 
Office.

Recently she asked about an Excel issue which I didn't know the answer to, so 
she asked me how we could go about finding out! I said, well, it looks like I'm 
going to have to stop whatever it is I'm doing, find the relevant help section, 
read it, figure out your issue and rectify it. Oh good, she said, I'll go and 
pit the kettle on.

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Re: Stupid iPad

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Moving files from any Apple device to an Apple computer is simple and fast with 
Airdrop.
Paul

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> There are perhaps more efficient ways of moving files between iPad and 
> computer, but I've found the easiest is to use a Sandisk iExpand drive as a 
> version of sneaker.net.
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/y4z2oul6
> 
> -p
> 
>> On 6/9/2019 6:26 PM, William Robb wrote:
>> And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
>> quality.
>> I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
>> keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
>> after the last update.
>> I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
>> down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
>> Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
>> cheap Huawei would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Bill
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sneaker net with an external storage device and its mated controller app is a 
very good way to move files back and forth between iOS devices and macOS or 
Windows systems. This will become even easier when iPad OS ships in the fall 
because then the iPads will support direct access to external storage devices 
... the code required to do the job will be a part of the delivered OS app 
services. 

Without a doubt, the easiest and most efficient way to move files between iOS 
and macOS machines is to use AirDrop on a fast local WiFi network. Transfer is 
virtually instantaneous until you get to moving hundreds of large (>500Mbyte) 
files en masse, then it just takes a little more time. Another extremely useful 
way to move files around with iOS and macOS devices is to use the iCloud 
services accessible to all macOS and iOS devices, and also to Windows by using 
the iCloud.com web services. A more generic solution in the same vein is to use 
DropBox.com and its apps: accessible to macOS, Windows, and even Linux. 

WALTR 2 by softorino.com (available for both macOS and Windows) moves most any 
file from computer to iOS device quickly, seamlessly, and even puts them in the 
right apps to use them. Much easier than mucking about with iTunes (which is 
going away on the next major macOS release anyway). 

Flickr.com app and Snapseed (image processing app) for iOS and Android proves 
another extremely useful tool for me: I can make photographs with my Light L16 
camera, do all the processing I want in-camera using the Light supplied editing 
facilities,  do finish editing in Snapseed, and export the finished 12 Mpixel 
result to Flickr.com for sharing on the web and/or transfer to macOS and 
Windows.

This are just a few of the possibilities for moving files on and off iOS 
devices. Anyone who says they can't move files is simply not interested in 
doing so. 

Regards "the fucking manuals", Larry, since I was a tech support engineer, 
technology manager, and later a staff writer at Apple for years and years, I 
take personal offense when you say Apple decided not to provide manuals 
anymore. Apple produced terabytes worth of manuals over the years, and still 
does. In the olde days, they were beautiful hard and soft bound books, 
pamphlets, instruction manuals, etc. No one wanted them anymore about a decade 
and a half ago, they wanted online docs. So Apple moved all that data into web 
presented documents and online help. More people use them, but of course 
everyone like you complains about the lack of printed documentation ... that 
they never read anyway. They still don't read the online help and web 
documentation as much as they should, depending instead on half-baked hearsay 
and often scary "wisdom" provided by Google searches and slash-dot. Of course, 
the UNIX documentation suite is all there in a Terminal window, if you ever 
chose to look at it. 

So go RTFM yourself. *I* wrote, edited, and made sure to the greatest extent 
that I could that the fucking stuff was both there and well presented, at least 
within the context of my job which was development information about the Xcode 
IDE, compilers, linkers, various different development platform tools and 
frameworks, and some of the hardware that allows things like CarPlay to exist. 
The stress of that job over a half a decade's work very very nearly killed me, 
and I'm not fucking kidding when I said killed, and forced my early retirement 
in order to save my life. 

To return to the beginning of this thread, if Bill's iPad Pro is a model prior 
to the 2018 iPad Pro 11 and 12.9 inch models, the problem is the keyboard cover 
itself, not the iPad. The earlier generation keyboard cover was a lovely 
design, but it proved *over the course of a couple of years use* to have a 
problem with the flex cables ... a fragility that none of the extensive testing 
done with it surfaced. It takes real time and use by millions of users to 
surface stuff like that. Apple replaced them up to a particular serial number 
for a couple of years, the replacement lasted longer but nothing in a 
relatively inexpensive flex design is ever going to last forever. They're 
pretty cheap relative to the cost of an iPad Pro, and even keyboards for 
desktop systems have a lifespan... 

The best solution is to replace it with one of the dozens of compatible 
keyboard covers available now; the original keyboard cover is past its market 
lifetime and has been discontinued by Apple *because* there are so many 
alternative solutions now (the iPad Pro models that used them are also EoL and 
discontinued now anyway). 

The current keyboard covers for the current iPad Pro are a completely new, far 
far more robust design that both works better AND should prove much more 
durable. I'll be able to see how well the redesign worked in a couple of years 
(my original IPP keyboard cover lasted 2.5 years before starting to become 
flakey), since I use the iPad Pro 11" with the keyboard cover 

Re: Stupid iPad

[Paul Sorenson]

There are perhaps more efficient ways of moving files between iPad and 
computer, but I've found the easiest is to use a Sandisk iExpand drive 
as a version of sneaker.net.


https://tinyurl.com/y4z2oul6

-p

On 6/9/2019 6:26 PM, William Robb wrote:

And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
quality.
I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
after the last update.
I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
cheap Huawei would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bill


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On Jun 9, 2019, at 19:19, Larry Colen  wrote:

[TFM]

> It's a technical term, here let me help you with that:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM

A) The Apple FMs I’ve seen come from O’Reilly’s “Missing Manual” series.
2) and then there’s The Jargon File, formerly resident on rtf.mit.edu,
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[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 6/9/19 7:17 PM:

I don’t recall Apple ever providing “fucking manuals.”  That was never a 
service they offered.


It's a technical term, here let me help you with that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM



G



On Jun 9, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

And that is why, for decades, the first step to do something on a computer is 
RTFM.  However, Apple no longer provides fucking manuals.
Although considering the quality of their documentation, that could be 
considered a slight improvement.






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Re: Stupid iPad

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don’t recall Apple ever providing “fucking manuals.”  That was never a 
service they offered. 

G


> On Jun 9, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> And that is why, for decades, the first step to do something on a computer is 
> RTFM.  However, Apple no longer provides fucking manuals.
> Although considering the quality of their documentation, that could be 
> considered a slight improvement.


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[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 6/9/19 6:40 PM:

No one is born with the knowledge of how to operate a computer. Of course it 
takes learning, and of course it takes code.


And that is why, for decades, the first step to do something on a 
computer is RTFM.  However, Apple no longer provides fucking manuals.
Although considering the quality of their documentation, that could be 
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Mark Roberts wrote on 6/9/19 6:30 PM:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an iOS device,
you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. It’s not
hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, PDFs, and
all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, Macs, and
Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an app or two.


The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
simple task.


You'd think they'd provide something intuitive like a terminal window 
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

No one is born with the knowledge of how to operate a computer. Of course it 
takes learning, and of course it takes code. 

You just don’t care to find out how. Even your Android requires learning, and 
code, to accomplish this task. It took me just as long to learn the routine way 
to do it on an Android as it did on my iPhone: About ten minutes with Google 
search and a useful app that makes it easier. 

Do you always look up the official Pentax camera handbook when you want to set 
exposure on your camera? Of course not. Come on, you have more sense than that, 
Mark. 

G

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:30 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>> Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an iOS 
>> device, 
>> you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. It’s 
>> not 
>> hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, PDFs, 
>> and 
>> all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, Macs, and 
>> Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an app or 
>> two. 
> 
> The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
> with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
> shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
> simple task.


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[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an iOS device, 
>you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. It’s not 
>hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, PDFs, and 
>all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, Macs, and 
>Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an app or two. 

The official Apple web site began its instructions on moving JPEGs
with instructions to install iTunes on the desktop computer. And it
shouldn't take ANY learning or "an app or two" to accomplish such a
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Re: Stupid iPad

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There’s nothing wrong with Bill’s iPad Pro..  there’s something wrong with 
theiPad Pro keyboard cover, presuming it’s a first generation model. If it is, 
and it’s in the right serial number range, Apple was replacing those covers 
free of charge. It’s an elegant design but the multiple flex connections in 
those covers proved too fragile for the rough and tumble of a portable, mobile 
device. The new models designed for the 2018 iPad Pro models is far more robust 
and reliable. 

Buy a replacement and you’ll be happier. 

Similarly, if you can’t figure out how to move JPEGs on and off an iOS device, 
you either really don’t want to or you just don’t want to learn how. It’s not 
hard, and you don’t need ITunes to do it. I  move JPEGs, raw files, PDFs, and 
all kinds of other data back and forth between my iPads, iPhones, Macs, and 
Windows machines all the time: just takes a little learning and an app or two. 

I love it when posts asking for assistance start with, essentially, “I hate 
Apple...” or “Help me with this piece of crap...” It really makes me want to 
help someone out. Not. 

G

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Postmaster  wrote:
> 
> William Robb wrote:
> 
>> And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
>> quality.
>> I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
>> keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
>> after the last update.
>> I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
>> down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
>> Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
>> cheap Huawei would be appreciated.
> 
> Show Quoted Content
>> And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
>> quality.
>> I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
>> keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
>> after the last update.
>> I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
>> down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
>> Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
>> cheap Huawei would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> I've tried working with Lisa's mum's iPad mini many times over the
> past few years and have given up in frustration. Treansfering JPEGs, a
> simple task on my Android tablet, is almost insurmountably difficult
> (they insist I install iTunes on my desktop computer to do to - fuck
> off, Apple). Everything else is similarly obtuse.
> 
> I say just lift off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be
> sure.
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William Robb wrote:

>And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
>quality.
>I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
>keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
>after the last update.
>I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
>down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
>Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
>cheap Huawei would be appreciated.

I've tried working with Lisa's mum's iPad mini many times over the
past few years and have given up in frustration. Treansfering JPEGs, a
simple task on my Android tablet, is almost insurmountably difficult
(they insist I install iTunes on my desktop computer to do to - fuck
off, Apple). Everything else is similarly obtuse.

I say just lift off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be
sure.

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Stupid iPad

[William Robb]

And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
quality.
I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
after the last update.
I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
cheap Huawei would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bill
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Re: OT: Stupid iPad Question

[Paul]

Definitely get as much memory as you can afford.  I don't think you'll 
be disappointed in the Air 2 but if the 128 gig is within your reach, go 
for it.  Sooner or later you'll wish you had.


As for data transfer, there are a multitude of cloud services to which 
iPad apps will connect - Box, Dropbox, OneDrive, to name a few.  Copy to 
the cloud, then download to a PC.  It's an extra step but works well. 
Some apps will let you set up a Web-dav connection for direct wireless 
transfer from the iPad to a PC.


SanDisk makes a couple flash memory devices that are USB capable and 
generate their own Wi-Fi.  You can move data to them wirelessly, then 
plug them into your PC for the final move.


-p

On 4/17/2016 10:55 PM, Bill wrote:

I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job.
I am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost,
future proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well?
I'm thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend
extra if I can use cards.
The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than
the base pro model. Would it be the better choice?

The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I
want to have a bigger screen than my phone.

thanks

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[Bill]

I ended up ordering the Ipad Pro, as the Air 2 just barely met the 
specification I needed to run my quadcopter. I went with the middle 
memory package, which is 128gb. It's more memory than I will ever need 
on the thing, I expect the 32 GB one would have been fine.


bill

On 4/18/2016 9:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I bought a 9.7" iPad Air last fall primarily for tethering to my
camera during shooting. I also use it for browsing the web and social
services at home or coffee shops via WiFi.

I chose the base 16 Gig unit as I didn't (and don't) plan on storing
anything on it. I don't try to use it for processing images as it's
hopelessly underpowered and would just frustrate me.

It's a portable screen and viewing device, nothing more. It works great.


On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Bill  wrote:

I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. I
am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, future
proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? I'm
thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend extra if
I can use cards.
The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than the
base pro model. Would it be the better choice?

The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I want
to have a bigger screen than my phone.

thanks

bill

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Re: OT: Stupid iPad Question

[Bruce Walker]

I bought a 9.7" iPad Air last fall primarily for tethering to my
camera during shooting. I also use it for browsing the web and social
services at home or coffee shops via WiFi.

I chose the base 16 Gig unit as I didn't (and don't) plan on storing
anything on it. I don't try to use it for processing images as it's
hopelessly underpowered and would just frustrate me.

It's a portable screen and viewing device, nothing more. It works great.


On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
> I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. I
> am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, future
> proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? I'm
> thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend extra if
> I can use cards.
> The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than the
> base pro model. Would it be the better choice?
>
> The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I want
> to have a bigger screen than my phone.
>
> thanks
>
> bill
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Re: OT: Stupid iPad Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The biggest mistake made when buying iPad devices is to buy too little storage 
memory.  I would consider 32 G an absolute minimum... 64 or 128 G are better. 

Yes, you can read from SD cards with the Lightning SD card connector. You need 
an app to write to an external file system like a disk drive (I've never used 
one) and you can use cloud services like DropBox for file transfer too. 
Software on Windows and OS X facilitate transferring files and data from the 
iPad to desk or laptop systems. 

I just received my iPad Pro 9.7, with 256G and cellular. It's a terrific 
system, and the best at processing RAW files yet.  As a test, I transferred 36 
DNGs from the SL (24 Mpixel) and converted them to full resolution TIFF files. 
The raw conversion took about four minutes, quite a lot faster than with my 
iPad mini 3 due to much more RAM and much faster processor. I'm typing this 
note on it at present: the keyboard cover accessory is excellent. 

G

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 7:19 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> directly, no mine does not. But you can but an adaptor to plug into
> the lightning port. I bought an iBridge unit, works well but sucks
> ther battery
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. I
>> am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, future
>> proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? I'm
>> thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend extra if
>> I can use cards.
>> The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than the
>> base pro model. Would it be the better choice?
>> 
>> The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I want
>> to have a bigger screen than my phone.

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directly, no mine does not. But you can but an adaptor to plug into
the lightning port. I bought an iBridge unit, works well but sucks
ther battery

Dave

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
> I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. I
> am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, future
> proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? I'm
> thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend extra if
> I can use cards.
> The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than the
> base pro model. Would it be the better choice?
>
> The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I want
> to have a bigger screen than my phone.
>
> thanks
>
> bill
>
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Re: Stupid iPad Question

[Bill]

Excellent. I guess the other question is will it talk nice with my 
Windows computer? I wouldn't want more than simple data transfer.


thanks again

bill

On 4/17/2016 10:02 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Can these things take an SD card as well?

With an adapter it can.

Go for all the memory you can get - you won't be sorry & probably won't
need it all.

Go for the size that feels best in your hands.

They're really handy devices.



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- Original Message - From: "Bill" <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
Subject: OT: Stupid iPad Question



I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the
job. I am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of
cost, future proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card
as well? I'm thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't
want to spend extra if I can use cards.
The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less
than the base pro model. Would it be the better choice?

The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I
want to have a bigger screen than my phone.

thanks

bill






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Re: Stupid iPad Question

[Ken Waller]

Can these things take an SD card as well?

With an adapter it can.

Go for all the memory you can get - you won't be sorry & probably won't need 
it all.


Go for the size that feels best in your hands.

They're really handy devices.



Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill" <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>

Subject: OT: Stupid iPad Question


I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. I 
am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, future 
proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? I'm 
thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend extra 
if I can use cards.
The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than 
the base pro model. Would it be the better choice?


The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I 
want to have a bigger screen than my phone.


thanks

bill



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OT: Stupid iPad Question

[Bill]

I find myself in a situation where an iPad is the best tool for the job. 
I am thinking the 9.7 inch ipad pro as the best compromise of cost, 
future proofing and usability. Can these things take an SD card as well? 
I'm thinking 32 gigs might be a little light, but I don't want to spend 
extra if I can use cards.
The iPad air 2 will do what I want at 64mb and can be had for less than 
the base pro model. Would it be the better choice?


The primary application is being the control panel for a quadcopter. I 
want to have a bigger screen than my phone.


thanks

bill

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