Re: Travelling *istD/DS
BTW has anyone noticed that Hassleblad now has a 16mp back for the old style (V) cameras? Haven't seen a review on it but I believe it comes with its own portable harddrive. Only $9975 (grin). Add a $750 used 500C kit and you have a nice fully manual MF digital camera. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 Jan 2005 at 9:16, Peter Smekal wrote: Well, that was enlightening Jens. It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious travelling gear. I have a portable hard drive storage unit which will allow me to store around 6500 shots, it is far more convenient (and far cheaper) than lugging around 180 135/36 films. It can also charge my AA cells for the camera plus it has a universal switch mode supply and 12V car lighter adaptor cable. It can also be very easily mounted without software on most any computer with USB interface so that back-ups can be made en-route at any so equipped cyber cafe. I've used the *ist D in light rain and had no problems, I generally just have it slung over my shoulder whilst bush walking and even after some good thumps it functions flawlessly. I have no problems making it my (serious) primary travel camera. It will be coming to Ireland with me next trip which would likely be Christmas (cold and wet). Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005
Re: Travelling *istD/DS
If Pentax would do that with the LX we'd be able to do away with medium format gear entirely... (Ducking and running for cover... Note to self: must invest in asbestos shorts). Graywolf wrote: BTW has anyone noticed that Hassleblad now has a 16mp back for the old style (V) cameras? Haven't seen a review on it but I believe it comes with its own portable harddrive. Only $9975 (grin). Add a $750 used 500C kit and you have a nice fully manual MF digital camera. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 Jan 2005 at 9:16, Peter Smekal wrote: Well, that was enlightening Jens. It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious travelling gear. I have a portable hard drive storage unit which will allow me to store around 6500 shots, it is far more convenient (and far cheaper) than lugging around 180 135/36 films. It can also charge my AA cells for the camera plus it has a universal switch mode supply and 12V car lighter adaptor cable. It can also be very easily mounted without software on most any computer with USB interface so that back-ups can be made en-route at any so equipped cyber cafe. I've used the *ist D in light rain and had no problems, I generally just have it slung over my shoulder whilst bush walking and even after some good thumps it functions flawlessly. I have no problems making it my (serious) primary travel camera. It will be coming to Ireland with me next trip which would likely be Christmas (cold and wet). Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Travelling *istD/DS
On 25 Jan 2005 at 10:48, Graywolf wrote: > BTW has anyone noticed that Hassleblad now has a 16mp back for the old style > (V) > cameras? Haven't seen a review on it but I believe it comes with its own > portable harddrive. Only $9975 (grin). Add a $750 used 500C kit and you have a > nice fully manual MF digital camera. Har, pity I never did warm to Blads. :-P Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Travelling *istD/DS
So you'd be prepared for, for, for... Hu. A strange variety of unlikely things. Bob W wrote: Hi, So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag that lot to...?' ;-) I take my lead from William Boot, and never travel without at least the following: a well-furnished tent 3 months' rations collapsible canoe jointed flagstaff and Union Jack hand pump and sterilising plant astrolabe 6 suits of tropical linen sou'wester camp operating table and set of surgical instruments portable humidor Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand cane for whacking snakes coil of rope sheet of tin several cleft sticks -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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I like to travel light, but I always have a bit of pocket fluff with me. LOL graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Cotty wrote: So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag that lot to...?' ;-) I take my lead from William Boot, and never travel without at least the following: a well-furnished tent 3 months' rations collapsible canoe jointed flagstaff and Union Jack hand pump and sterilising plant astrolabe 6 suits of tropical linen sou'wester camp operating table and set of surgical instruments portable humidor Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand cane for whacking snakes coil of rope sheet of tin several cleft sticks OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005
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I have just tried to find the definition of "cleft stick" through a google search. Bob's definition seems only to be used by computer folk. Strange, it seemed to be a way of indicating that the corrior was a messager and was not to be attacked (warrior society). The more common "in a cleft stick" means caught between two bad choices. So I have a feeling that the author's list of gear included a lot of bad choices (cleft sticks) rather than message sticks. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Bob W wrote: Hi, several cleft sticks OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel Very Douglas Adams. What's a cleft stick? messengers used to carry their messages wedged in a stick which was partially split for the purpose. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
Hmm. I've carried digital cameras exclusively since 2002 on my travels and not had a single problem with them. From visiting Japan, to Australia, to the UK, to Paris, to Singapore, to Brazil, to Mexico, to London and points east in the British Isles. They're no more liable to be stolen than either my Hassy or Leica or Nikons were, no worries about film through the airport, etc. Carry enough battery and memory, a backup storage device. Carry a decent bag that will keep them from getting soaked in rain. And don't worry about it, just take proper care and take pictures as normal. Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
Well, that was enlightening Jens. It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious travelling gear. Peter >For travelling (long trips) I'm not shure I'd want to bring a digital. A few >years back I went to South Africa and didn't even bring my PZ-1. I brought >my Super A. Mostly because it's light and small - and because of the crime >rate in S.A. Tree weeks in South Africa and I didn't chaage batteries even >once. > >If I should travel with the *ist D, I'd make sure to have: >Sufficient Insurance >Vosonic P300 card-reader/hard-drive >Extra batteries for harddrive and camera as well as battery chargers. >That's the big problem with digital - it's very battery consuming. > >And it doesn't handle moisture/wet weather very well. When I lived in >Irealnd, I did a lot of hillwalking, which meant I'd be walking from 8 AM to >8 PM - in the wind, sunshine and rain. I'd hate to see my digital camera >spoiled by moisture. If you are travelling by car it's a different story, of >course. > > > >Jens Bladt >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > >-Oprindelig meddelelse- >Fra: Peter Smekal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sendt: 23. januar 2005 15:12 >Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >Emne: Digital anguish > > >Hi all, >it funny how one can get affected by everyone going digital, and by all >talk about film being dead, or at least dying. So lately I've been thinking >about trying to get an *ist D as long as some still are on the market. It >seems to be not so unlike the PZ-1p/Z-1p with its Hyperprogram which I like >and use a lot. One never knows what the next Pentax DSLR will look like, >but probably (?) less like the PZ-1p/Z-1p than the *ist D. >But then again I wonder if the *ist D is that practical when you are >travelling (which is when I'm doing most of my photographing). My LX, ME >Super and PZ-1p/Z-1p have been rather trustworthy travel companions. >And then I see all the slides, colour and b+w films I've shot during the >years in different parts of the world, and start to wonder if it wouldn't >be better to go digital by scanning and work on the best of all those pics >to begin with. >Well, maybe its just sad to put some great gear into retirement (I'm pretty >sure once I've managed to get a *ist D I will be toying around with it most >of the time). >Any advice? >BTW What would you recommend as a good Mac-compatible scanner? >Peter, Sweden
Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
I get 2000 exposures on my *ist D on one set of lithium batteries -- four in the battery grip and four in the camera. I've shot in the surf in Malibu and standing under a waterfall in La Jolla Canyon. No problems yet. I carry 3 1/2 gigs of CF cards, so a day's shooting is easily accommodated. I plan to add another 2 gigs soon. I have my little i-book in the hotel room and download the cards at night. I can't imagine ever traveling without the *istD again. Paul On Jan 25, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Peter Smekal wrote: Well, that was enlightening Jens. It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious travelling gear. Peter For travelling (long trips) I'm not shure I'd want to bring a digital. A few years back I went to South Africa and didn't even bring my PZ-1. I brought my Super A. Mostly because it's light and small - and because of the crime rate in S.A. Tree weeks in South Africa and I didn't chaage batteries even once. If I should travel with the *ist D, I'd make sure to have: Sufficient Insurance Vosonic P300 card-reader/hard-drive Extra batteries for harddrive and camera as well as battery chargers. That's the big problem with digital - it's very battery consuming. And it doesn't handle moisture/wet weather very well. When I lived in Irealnd, I did a lot of hillwalking, which meant I'd be walking from 8 AM to 8 PM - in the wind, sunshine and rain. I'd hate to see my digital camera spoiled by moisture. If you are travelling by car it's a different story, of course. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter Smekal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. januar 2005 15:12 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Digital anguish Hi all, it funny how one can get affected by everyone going digital, and by all talk about film being dead, or at least dying. So lately I've been thinking about trying to get an *ist D as long as some still are on the market. It seems to be not so unlike the PZ-1p/Z-1p with its Hyperprogram which I like and use a lot. One never knows what the next Pentax DSLR will look like, but probably (?) less like the PZ-1p/Z-1p than the *ist D. But then again I wonder if the *ist D is that practical when you are travelling (which is when I'm doing most of my photographing). My LX, ME Super and PZ-1p/Z-1p have been rather trustworthy travel companions. And then I see all the slides, colour and b+w films I've shot during the years in different parts of the world, and start to wonder if it wouldn't be better to go digital by scanning and work on the best of all those pics to begin with. Well, maybe its just sad to put some great gear into retirement (I'm pretty sure once I've managed to get a *ist D I will be toying around with it most of the time). Any advice? BTW What would you recommend as a good Mac-compatible scanner? Peter, Sweden
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
On 25 Jan 2005 at 9:16, Peter Smekal wrote: > Well, that was enlightening Jens. > It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious > travelling gear. I have a portable hard drive storage unit which will allow me to store around 6500 shots, it is far more convenient (and far cheaper) than lugging around 180 135/36 films. It can also charge my AA cells for the camera plus it has a universal switch mode supply and 12V car lighter adaptor cable. It can also be very easily mounted without software on most any computer with USB interface so that back-ups can be made en-route at any so equipped cyber cafe. I've used the *ist D in light rain and had no problems, I generally just have it slung over my shoulder whilst bush walking and even after some good thumps it functions flawlessly. I have no problems making it my (serious) primary travel camera. It will be coming to Ireland with me next trip which would likely be Christmas (cold and wet). Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
Hi Paul, interesting to read. This is really new terrain for me. Do you think the *ist DS is as practical to use and travel with as the D? Peter >I get 2000 exposures on my *ist D on one set of lithium batteries -- >four in the battery grip and four in the camera. I've shot in the surf >in Malibu and standing under a waterfall in La Jolla Canyon. No >problems yet. I carry 3 1/2 gigs of CF cards, so a day's shooting is >easily accommodated. I plan to add another 2 gigs soon. I have my >little i-book in the hotel room and download the cards at night. I >can't imagine ever traveling without the *istD again. >Paul >On Jan 25, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Peter Smekal wrote: > >> Well, that was enlightening Jens. >> It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious >> travelling gear. >> Peter >> >>> For travelling (long trips) I'm not shure I'd want to bring a >>> digital. A few >>> years back I went to South Africa and didn't even bring my PZ-1. I >>> brought >>> my Super A. Mostly because it's light and small - and because of the >>> crime >>> rate in S.A. Tree weeks in South Africa and I didn't chaage batteries >>> even >>> once. >>> >>> If I should travel with the *ist D, I'd make sure to have: >>> Sufficient Insurance >>> Vosonic P300 card-reader/hard-drive >>> Extra batteries for harddrive and camera as well as battery chargers. >>> That's the big problem with digital - it's very battery consuming. >>> >>> And it doesn't handle moisture/wet weather very well. When I lived in >>> Irealnd, I did a lot of hillwalking, which meant I'd be walking from >>> 8 AM to >>> 8 PM - in the wind, sunshine and rain. I'd hate to see my digital >>> camera >>> spoiled by moisture. If you are travelling by car it's a different >>> story, of >>> course. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jens Bladt >>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt >>> >>> >>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- >>> Fra: Peter Smekal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sendt: 23. januar 2005 15:12 >>> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >>> Emne: Digital anguish >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> it funny how one can get affected by everyone going digital, and by >>> all >>> talk about film being dead, or at least dying. So lately I've been >>> thinking >>> about trying to get an *ist D as long as some still are on the >>> market. It >>> seems to be not so unlike the PZ-1p/Z-1p with its Hyperprogram which >>> I like >>> and use a lot. One never knows what the next Pentax DSLR will look >>> like, >>> but probably (?) less like the PZ-1p/Z-1p than the *ist D. >>> But then again I wonder if the *ist D is that practical when you are >>> travelling (which is when I'm doing most of my photographing). My LX, >>> ME >>> Super and PZ-1p/Z-1p have been rather trustworthy travel companions. >>> And then I see all the slides, colour and b+w films I've shot during >>> the >>> years in different parts of the world, and start to wonder if it >>> wouldn't >>> be better to go digital by scanning and work on the best of all those >>> pics >>> to begin with. >>> Well, maybe its just sad to put some great gear into retirement (I'm >>> pretty >>> sure once I've managed to get a *ist D I will be toying around with >>> it most >>> of the time). >>> Any advice? >>> BTW What would you recommend as a good Mac-compatible scanner? >>> Peter, Sweden >> >> >>
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Hi Peter, Yes, I'm sure the *istDS travels as well as the D. You can't add a battery grip, but you'll still get 1000 shots of so from lithium batteries and only slightly less from good rechargeable nicads. In lieu of the grip, you can carry an extra set of batteries. Paul On Jan 25, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Peter Smekal wrote: Hi Paul, interesting to read. This is really new terrain for me. Do you think the *ist DS is as practical to use and travel with as the D? Peter I get 2000 exposures on my *ist D on one set of lithium batteries -- four in the battery grip and four in the camera. I've shot in the surf in Malibu and standing under a waterfall in La Jolla Canyon. No problems yet. I carry 3 1/2 gigs of CF cards, so a day's shooting is easily accommodated. I plan to add another 2 gigs soon. I have my little i-book in the hotel room and download the cards at night. I can't imagine ever traveling without the *istD again. Paul On Jan 25, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Peter Smekal wrote: Well, that was enlightening Jens. It seems to be better after all to stick to film cameras as serious travelling gear. Peter For travelling (long trips) I'm not shure I'd want to bring a digital. A few years back I went to South Africa and didn't even bring my PZ-1. I brought my Super A. Mostly because it's light and small - and because of the crime rate in S.A. Tree weeks in South Africa and I didn't chaage batteries even once. If I should travel with the *ist D, I'd make sure to have: Sufficient Insurance Vosonic P300 card-reader/hard-drive Extra batteries for harddrive and camera as well as battery chargers. That's the big problem with digital - it's very battery consuming. And it doesn't handle moisture/wet weather very well. When I lived in Irealnd, I did a lot of hillwalking, which meant I'd be walking from 8 AM to 8 PM - in the wind, sunshine and rain. I'd hate to see my digital camera spoiled by moisture. If you are travelling by car it's a different story, of course. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter Smekal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. januar 2005 15:12 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Digital anguish Hi all, it funny how one can get affected by everyone going digital, and by all talk about film being dead, or at least dying. So lately I've been thinking about trying to get an *ist D as long as some still are on the market. It seems to be not so unlike the PZ-1p/Z-1p with its Hyperprogram which I like and use a lot. One never knows what the next Pentax DSLR will look like, but probably (?) less like the PZ-1p/Z-1p than the *ist D. But then again I wonder if the *ist D is that practical when you are travelling (which is when I'm doing most of my photographing). My LX, ME Super and PZ-1p/Z-1p have been rather trustworthy travel companions. And then I see all the slides, colour and b+w films I've shot during the years in different parts of the world, and start to wonder if it wouldn't be better to go digital by scanning and work on the best of all those pics to begin with. Well, maybe its just sad to put some great gear into retirement (I'm pretty sure once I've managed to get a *ist D I will be toying around with it most of the time). Any advice? BTW What would you recommend as a good Mac-compatible scanner? Peter, Sweden
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
You are right, if you don't mind carrying all that stuff. As far as moisture is conscerned it's not just about rain or water getting into bags and stuff. It's about condenced water. Fast shifts from hot to cold environments may cause water (in the air) to condence inside cameras etc. Waterproof bags won't help. In fact - on the contrary - cause they may not be able to breathe. Shifts from a heated room to an outdoor enmvironment or to a cold car may cause the air to condense anyehere and cause loss of functionality, bad contacts or shortcuts. For "on the road" I'd prefere to use cameras that are kinda dispoasble or at least without too much sofisticated, miniature surface-mount electronics. I guess if you can keep you gear at 15-25 degerees Celsius at all times, condence is not a problem. But if it has to put up with changes from -10 to +50 degrees many times during a day, it's a totally different story. People who are wearing glasses know what I'm talking about! All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2005 09:48 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) Hmm. I've carried digital cameras exclusively since 2002 on my travels and not had a single problem with them. From visiting Japan, to Australia, to the UK, to Paris, to Singapore, to Brazil, to Mexico, to London and points east in the British Isles. They're no more liable to be stolen than either my Hassy or Leica or Nikons were, no worries about film through the airport, etc. Carry enough battery and memory, a backup storage device. Carry a decent bag that will keep them from getting soaked in rain. And don't worry about it, just take proper care and take pictures as normal. Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
--- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are right, if you don't mind carrying all that stuff. "All that stuff" amounts to a small bag smaller than a sock, Jens. MUCH less to carry than the 24-36 rolls of 35mm film I'd otherwise need. > As far as moisture is conscerned it's not just about rain or > water getting > into bags and stuff. > It's about condenced water. I've lived and visited in cold climates too. It's not been a problem at all. > ... For "on the road" I'd prefere to use cameras that are > kinda dispoasble or at least without too much sofisticated, miniature > surface-mount electronics. I guess if you can keep you gear at 15-25 > degerees Celsius at all times, condence is not a problem That's your choice. The hardware seems to be well up to the challenge. Use it with reasonable care and it will just keep working and working. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
Seems to me that there are conditions when traveling that would warrant one type of kit versus another. When there is nothing adverse (weather, crime, etc), a digital kit can be much easier to deal with. Use AA lithium batteries and either shoot jpg or carry a storage bank. No dealing with film through the airports, no dealing with not having the right type/speed of film, etc. If going to a place where battery power will be a major problem (2 sets of AA lithiums will give you a couple thousand frames), then consider a film kit. If it will be raining on you all the time, take a sealed camera - film or digital. I think we get caught up in the hypothetical area of what COULD happen instead of what WILL happen when planning these things. The reality is that most of us don't really travel in those extreme conditions, so frankly, any kit would work - based on what we own and like. Those who do travel in the extreme areas probably already have themselves outfitted for that. A close friend of mine travels the world - about 3 major trips per year (retired and rich) and has always carried a Nikon DSLR and has never had a lick of problem doing so. So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 12:48:25 AM, you wrote: GD> Hmm. GD> I've carried digital cameras exclusively since 2002 on my GD> travels and not had a single problem with them. From visiting GD> Japan, to Australia, to the UK, to Paris, to Singapore, to GD> Brazil, to Mexico, to London and points east in the British GD> Isles. They're no more liable to be stolen than either my Hassy GD> or Leica or Nikons were, no worries about film through the GD> airport, etc. GD> Carry enough battery and memory, a backup storage device. Carry GD> a decent bag that will keep them from getting soaked in rain. GD> And don't worry about it, just take proper care and take GD> pictures as normal. GD> Godfrey GD> __ GD> Do You Yahoo!? GD> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around GD> http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
In a message dated 1/25/2005 9:35:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. -- Best regards, Bruce = Until, of course, the whole world plunges into a severe electrical shortage (remember how fragile the power grids in the US are, for instance). Then, because energy is severely rationed world-wide, home processing becomes almost impossible for the amateur/hobbyist. At which point we have to go back to using mechanical film cameras. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
JB> But if it has to put up with changes from -10 to +50 degrees many times JB> during a day, it's a totally different story. JB> People who are wearing glasses know what I'm talking about! Of course for that, you usually keep the camera in the bag, until it tempers. One or two hours is usually enough. Of course fully sealed camera like the pro versions would be better for this, and it was one thing I liked on the LX. Or use a Leica ;-) Good light! fra
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--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If going to a place where battery power will be a major problem (2 > sets of AA lithiums will give you a couple thousand frames), then > consider a film kit. A thing to think about: Three sets of CRV3 batteries for an *ist DS equals approximately 3300 exposures and takes up approximately 5 cubic inches of storage space, weighs less than half a pound, costs about $18. 3300 exposures in 35mm film is about 90 rolls of film ... Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Hi, > So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. > Whatever you like and enjoy. Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. -- Cheers, Bob
RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
...??? Hard drive/card-reader, batteries and charger(s). I don't own a pair of socks that heavy! No electronics are really "up" for condenced (or any other) moisture. The problems most likely won't show up at first - but after a while Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2005 17:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) --- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are right, if you don't mind carrying all that stuff. "All that stuff" amounts to a small bag smaller than a sock, Jens. MUCH less to carry than the 24-36 rolls of 35mm film I'd otherwise need. > As far as moisture is conscerned it's not just about rain or > water getting > into bags and stuff. > It's about condenced water. I've lived and visited in cold climates too. It's not been a problem at all. > ... For "on the road" I'd prefere to use cameras that are > kinda dispoasble or at least without too much sofisticated, miniature > surface-mount electronics. I guess if you can keep you gear at 15-25 > degerees Celsius at all times, condence is not a problem That's your choice. The hardware seems to be well up to the challenge. Use it with reasonable care and it will just keep working and working. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Sealing won't help much. It's the water in the air INSIDE the camera, that will condence (especially on metal parts - in the mirror box, card compartment, battery ompartment) - places where hot, humid air can enter when ever the camera is out in the open. It will later condence when the temperature drops. That's how nature works. It's a problem for all cameras/electronics. I guess if you are talking about a summer holiday i Greece - it's not big a problem. But if you are travelling in an less convenient environment it may very well be. All the good lanscape shots are usually made very early in the morning or at sundown/dusk - in my experience. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Frantisek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2005 17:31 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) JB> But if it has to put up with changes from -10 to +50 degrees many times JB> during a day, it's a totally different story. JB> People who are wearing glasses know what I'm talking about! Of course for that, you usually keep the camera in the bag, until it tempers. One or two hours is usually enough. Of course fully sealed camera like the pro versions would be better for this, and it was one thing I liked on the LX. Or use a Leica ;-) Good light! fra
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:45:05 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a portable hard drive storage unit which will allow me to store around > 6500 shots, it is far more convenient (and far cheaper) than lugging around > 180 > 135/36 films. It can also charge my AA cells for the camera plus it has a > universal switch mode supply and 12V car lighter adaptor cable. It can also be > very easily mounted without software on most any computer with USB interface > so > that back-ups can be made en-route at any so equipped cyber cafe. Hi Rob, Would you mind telling what device this is? I have an ipod, but the card reading solution is very limited. The Belkin device I have takes forever to download a 2GB card, and uses up most of the battery charge. I've been thinking about getting something dedicated... j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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On 25 Jan 2005 at 13:50, Juan Buhler wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Would you mind telling what device this is? I have an ipod, but the > card reading solution is very limited. The Belkin device I have takes > forever to download a 2GB card, and uses up most of the battery > charge. I've been thinking about getting something dedicated... Hi Juan, Cut from my post to the list back in Nov 04: Hi Team, I've recently exchanged my X-Drive II for a Compact Drive PD7X. This unit is pretty inexpensive, it's about US$30 more than the X-Drive II but it offers a few significant advantages. It copies media to the local HDD at 4x the speed of the X-Drive, it verifies the transfer, it displays remaining space on the media/HDD in MB/GB and it is powered via 4x AA NiMH cells. It also has a more robust extruded aluminium case and a neat pouch that can be worn on a belt. Independent test have confirmed it's potential to transfer 30GB in the field on a single set of 2100mAh batteries. I bought the chassis bare and swapped over the HDD, it mounted without further intervention. Anyhow if anyone wants to see more details: http://www.3hdigital.com/en/product.htm http://fhoude34.free.fr/PD7x%20Review.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I can recommend ARCOS GMINI with 20 GB Harddisk and Compact Flash Card Reader. Ist very small and handy. And it also plays music... Michael -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 22:51 An: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Betreff: Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:45:05 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a portable hard drive storage unit which will allow me to store > around 6500 shots, it is far more convenient (and far cheaper) than > lugging around 180 135/36 films. It can also charge my AA cells for > the camera plus it has a universal switch mode supply and 12V car > lighter adaptor cable. It can also be very easily mounted without > software on most any computer with USB interface so that back-ups can > be made en-route at any so equipped cyber cafe. Hi Rob, Would you mind telling what device this is? I have an ipod, but the card reading solution is very limited. The Belkin device I have takes forever to download a 2GB card, and uses up most of the battery charge. I've been thinking about getting something dedicated... j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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I have the Compact Drive PD6A 60gb unit and am quite happy with it's speed and usage. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 3:02:49 PM, you wrote: RS> On 25 Jan 2005 at 13:50, Juan Buhler wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> >> Would you mind telling what device this is? I have an ipod, but the >> card reading solution is very limited. The Belkin device I have takes >> forever to download a 2GB card, and uses up most of the battery >> charge. I've been thinking about getting something dedicated... RS> Hi Juan, RS> Cut from my post to the list back in Nov 04: RS> Hi Team, RS> I've recently exchanged my X-Drive II for a Compact Drive PD7X. This unit is RS> pretty inexpensive, it's about US$30 more than the X-Drive II but it offers a RS> few significant advantages. RS> It copies media to the local HDD at 4x the speed of the X-Drive, it verifies RS> the transfer, it displays remaining space on the media/HDD in MB/GB and it is RS> powered via 4x AA NiMH cells. It also has a more robust extruded aluminium case RS> and a neat pouch that can be worn on a belt. RS> Independent test have confirmed it's potential to transfer 30GB in the field on RS> a single set of 2100mAh batteries. RS> I bought the chassis bare and swapped over the HDD, it mounted without further RS> intervention. RS> Anyhow if anyone wants to see more details: RS> http://www.3hdigital.com/en/product.htm RS> http://fhoude34.free.fr/PD7x%20Review.htm RS> Cheers, RS> Rob Studdert RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 RS> UTC(GMT) +10 Hours RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I have a Vosonic P300 X's-Drive (the old one without the picture screen). It's 40GB (10-15.000 pictures) but is rather slow - it takes like 10-15 minutes to download 512 MB's worth of RAW shots. So I usually carry 2 RAM-cards. It plays music (MP3) as well, but the batteries won't last long if it does. Its fine for short trips (like 50 shots). But for travelling (8-12 hour outings on foot) - no way! Not unless I have a car charger or some extra batteries. It will operate (download time) for only 30 minutes equal to app. 1024 MB, then it needs charging. Jens Bladt Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2005 23:46 Til: Rob Studdert Emne: Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) I have the Compact Drive PD6A 60gb unit and am quite happy with it's speed and usage. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 3:02:49 PM, you wrote: RS> On 25 Jan 2005 at 13:50, Juan Buhler wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> >> Would you mind telling what device this is? I have an ipod, but the >> card reading solution is very limited. The Belkin device I have takes >> forever to download a 2GB card, and uses up most of the battery >> charge. I've been thinking about getting something dedicated... RS> Hi Juan, RS> Cut from my post to the list back in Nov 04: RS> Hi Team, RS> I've recently exchanged my X-Drive II for a Compact Drive PD7X. This unit is RS> pretty inexpensive, it's about US$30 more than the X-Drive II but it offers a RS> few significant advantages. RS> It copies media to the local HDD at 4x the speed of the X-Drive, it verifies RS> the transfer, it displays remaining space on the media/HDD in MB/GB and it is RS> powered via 4x AA NiMH cells. It also has a more robust extruded aluminium case RS> and a neat pouch that can be worn on a belt. RS> Independent test have confirmed it's potential to transfer 30GB in the field on RS> a single set of 2100mAh batteries. RS> I bought the chassis bare and swapped over the HDD, it mounted without further RS> intervention. RS> Anyhow if anyone wants to see more details: RS> http://www.3hdigital.com/en/product.htm RS> http://fhoude34.free.fr/PD7x%20Review.htm RS> Cheers, RS> Rob Studdert RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 RS> UTC(GMT) +10 Hours RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/25/2005 4:27:14 PM >>> ...??? Hard drive/card-reader, batteries and charger(s). I don't own a pair of socks that heavy! No electronics are really "up" for condenced (or any other) moisture. The problems most likely won't show up at first - but after a while Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2005 17:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) --- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are right, if you don't mind carrying all that stuff. "All that stuff" amounts to a small bag smaller than a sock, Jens. MUCH less to carry than the 24-36 rolls of 35mm film I'd otherwise need. > As far as moisture is conscerned it's not just about rain or > water getting > into bags and stuff. > It's about condenced water. I've lived and visited in cold climates too. It's not been a problem at all. > ... For "on the road" I'd prefere to use cameras that are > kinda dispoasble or at least without too much sofisticated, miniature > surface-mount electronics. I guess if you can keep you gear at 15-25 > degerees Celsius at all times, condence is not a problem That's your choice. The hardware seems to be well up to the challenge. Use it with reasonable care and it will just keep working and working. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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On 27 Jan 2005 at 9:06, Steve Desjardins wrote: > My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here > too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much > of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also > wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of people who have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some pretty nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, Oly E- 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Rob Studdert mused: > > On 27 Jan 2005 at 9:06, Steve Desjardins wrote: > > > My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here > > too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much > > of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also > > wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. > > I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of people > who > have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some > pretty > nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, Oly > E- > 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems. As I've mentioned here in the past, I've had my PZ-1p fail on me. It probably wasn't just condensation, though; It's hard to keep 100% of the moisture off a camera when shooting in a rainstorm.
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>> So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. >> Whatever you like and enjoy. > >Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect >to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag that lot to...?' ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Rob wrote: >I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of people who >have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. It's not an issue if you buy a new camera every two years. You'll never know when the thing dies! The problems will occur when contacts (internal and external) etc. little by little get corroded. I think most modern electronic consumer equipment was basiclally made to be operated indoors. Not on a mountain side in Argentina. As a former musican I have more than once seen electronic equipment ruined due to being moved from a cold car to a hot ball room. Or vise versa. Believe me, it's very annoying loose you best amp just 30 minutes before a gig :-) I just don't trust modern electronics to put up with such changes. Larger battery consumptiom means more heat. More heat means more moisture/condenced water. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 16:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) On 27 Jan 2005 at 9:06, Steve Desjardins wrote: > My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here > too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much > of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also > wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of people who have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some pretty nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, Oly E- 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Hi, >>> So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. >>> Whatever you like and enjoy. >> >>Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect >>to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. > Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag > that lot to...?' > ;-) I take my lead from William Boot, and never travel without at least the following: a well-furnished tent 3 months' rations collapsible canoe jointed flagstaff and Union Jack hand pump and sterilising plant astrolabe 6 suits of tropical linen sou'wester camp operating table and set of surgical instruments portable humidor Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand cane for whacking snakes coil of rope sheet of tin several cleft sticks -- Cheers, Bob
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Ah, Boot. "Feather-footed through the plashy fen, treads the questing vole." (If memory serves, forty years on). For me the sublime moment in Scoop was the scene on the train where Boot is swindled out of his gold sovereign. Hilarious, but deeply sad. I was reflecting that most efforts to film Waugh have been failures, and then I remembered Brideshead. John On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:52:09 +, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag that lot to...?' ;-) I take my lead from William Boot, and never travel without at least the following: a well-furnished tent 3 months' rations collapsible canoe jointed flagstaff and Union Jack hand pump and sterilising plant astrolabe 6 suits of tropical linen sou'wester camp operating table and set of surgical instruments portable humidor Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand cane for whacking snakes coil of rope sheet of tin several cleft sticks -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Hi, Thursday, January 27, 2005, 7:14:15 PM, John wrote: > Ah, Boot. "Feather-footed through the plashy fen, treads the questing > vole." (If memory serves, forty years on). > For me the sublime moment in Scoop was the scene on the train where Boot > is swindled out of his gold sovereign. > Hilarious, but deeply sad. > I was reflecting that most efforts to film Waugh have been failures, and > then I remembered Brideshead. Didn't somebody do A Handful of Dust recently, and quite well? That, Scoop and the Sword of Honour books are my favourites. Have you read Boot's er, I mean Deedes's recent memoir At War with Waugh? It's brilliant. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1405005734/qid=1106855489/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-3377011-4851801 -- Cheers, Bob
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Steve Desjardins wrote: My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. I've told this before but I once took an MZ-S from about -20cent to about +25cent and spent nearly half an hour wiping moisture off the outside with tissues. No problems. mike
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On 27 Jan 2005 at 12:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As I've mentioned here in the past, I've had my PZ-1p fail on me. > It probably wasn't just condensation, though; It's hard to keep > 100% of the moisture off a camera when shooting in a rainstorm. Thankfully that's one camera I never owned, and if I recall you weren't the only one to have problems like that with it. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 27 Jan 2005 at 19:38, Jens Bladt wrote: > It's not an issue if you buy a new camera every two years. You'll never know > when the thing dies! The problems will occur when contacts (internal and > external) etc. little by little get corroded. I think most modern electronic > consumer equipment was basiclally made to be operated indoors. Not on a > mountain > side in Argentina. Condensation is generally not a problem unless the circuits are also dirty, condensed water is quite pure and isn't conductive until it dissolves impurities. For example I had (still have) an old IBM keyboard which I inadvertently spilled nearly a full glass of red wine into and it stopped functioning. Straight away I unplugged the keyboard and tried to disassemble it but I didn't have a suitable specialized tool. So I simply took it to my back yard and hosed it with tap water (which here is quite clean with a neutral ph). I let it dry for a few days and put it straight back into service and it worked flawlessly and hasn't failed since. > As a former musican I have more than once seen electronic equipment ruined > due to being moved from a cold car to a hot ball room. Or vise versa. > Believe me, it's very annoying loose you best amp just 30 minutes before a > gig :-) > I just don't trust modern electronics to put up with such changes. Larger > battery consumptiom means more heat. More heat means more moisture/condenced > water. As a former foreman in an electronics repair workshop which specialized in music equipment repair I've seen far more problems relating to spilt drinks, cockroaches, bad handling/treatment and people spraying inappropriate lubricants into controls than any kind of condensation problems. Any portable consumer equipment that is susceptible to condensate is probably poorly designed. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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So, in conclusion, outside of extremes, any kit will do just fine. Whatever you like and enjoy. >>> >>>Quite so. The best thing to do is plan for the conditions you expect >>>to travel in, and kit yourself out accordingly. > >> Hmph. I look at the mountain of gear and think, 'hmmm where can I drag >> that lot to...?' > >> ;-) > >I take my lead from William Boot, and never travel without at least >the following: > >a well-furnished tent >3 months' rations >collapsible canoe >jointed flagstaff and Union Jack >hand pump and sterilising plant >astrolabe >6 suits of tropical linen >sou'wester >camp operating table and set of surgical instruments >portable humidor >Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand >cane for whacking snakes >coil of rope >sheet of tin >several cleft sticks OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >several cleft sticks OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel Cheers, Cotty = Very Douglas Adams. What's a cleft stick? Marnie aka Doe
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It was a device used by messengers to carry letters through the jungle. Frank probably has several. :-) John On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:36:00 EST, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: several cleft sticks OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel Cheers, Cotty = Very Douglas Adams. What's a cleft stick? Marnie aka Doe -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Cotty mused: > > OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel No, no, no. You really need to know where your towel is. But you're never alone with a rubber duckie. (Jinnan tonix all round, number two!)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: > > In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >several cleft sticks > > OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel > > Cheers, > Cotty > = > Very Douglas Adams. > > What's a cleft stick? > > Marnie aka Doe Ten bucks, same as in town.
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> As I've mentioned here in the past, I've had my PZ-1p fail on me. > It probably wasn't just condensation, though; It's hard to keep > 100% of the moisture off a camera when shooting in a rainstorm. Me too. When the PZ-1 was 6 months old in the rain photographing a pig roast. Plenty of humidity, and hot steam, but little actual rain on the camera. It stopped firing, and then started the focus started hunting ALL the time. Only a trip to Pentax Colorado cleared it up. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:46:06 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Studdert mused: > > > > On 27 Jan 2005 at 9:06, Steve Desjardins wrote: > > > > > My MZ-S is largely electronic as well, so condensation is an issue here > > > too. I wonder if the "extra" electronics of a DSLR really makes much > > > of a difference? A DSLR also generates more internal heat so I also > > > wonder if this is better at driving internal moisture away. > > > > I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of people > > who > > have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some > > pretty > > nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, > > Oly E- > > 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems. > > As I've mentioned here in the past, I've had my PZ-1p fail on me. > It probably wasn't just condensation, though; It's hard to keep > 100% of the moisture off a camera when shooting in a rainstorm. > >
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Hi, >>several cleft sticks > OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel > Very Douglas Adams. > What's a cleft stick? messengers used to carry their messages wedged in a stick which was partially split for the purpose. -- Cheers, Bob
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"John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Cotty mused: >> >> OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel > >No, no, no. > >You really need to know where your towel is. >But you're never alone with a rubber duckie. > >(Jinnan tonix all round, number two!) Say, that John Francis is one hoopy frood! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 28/1/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Say, that John Francis is one hoopy frood! Nh, he's so unhip it's a wonder his bum doesn't fall off! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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> > > > > > I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of > > > people who > > > have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some > > > pretty > > > nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, > > > Oly E- > > > 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems. This may be a coinkydink,but just a few weeks after shooting the D2H in some heavy rain,the AF and metering acted up badly. A new AE board(warranty) from Nikon was needed. It may not have been the cause but i'm a bit paranoid now. Dave
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Cotty mused: > > On 28/1/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Say, that John Francis is one hoopy frood! > > Nh, he's so unhip it's a wonder his bum doesn't fall off! You stay out of this, four eyes! I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal.
Re: AW: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
On 25 Jan 2005 at 23:39, Michael Heim wrote: > I can recommend ARCOS GMINI with 20 GB Harddisk and Compact Flash Card > Reader. > Ist very small and handy. And it also plays music... If I'm carrying around a hard disk with several months of images on it the very last thing I want it to be doing is playing music and having the disk spin when it's not necessary (making it more prone to failure through shock). Anyone who places any value on their stored digital images should consider this. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
AW: AW: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
You're quite pessimistic... How many pictures do you store on your pc? There's a lot more other stuff going on your computer than just mp3. Michael -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2005 00:50 An: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Betreff: Re: AW: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish) On 25 Jan 2005 at 23:39, Michael Heim wrote: > I can recommend ARCOS GMINI with 20 GB Harddisk and Compact Flash Card > Reader. Ist very small and handy. And it also plays music... If I'm carrying around a hard disk with several months of images on it the very last thing I want it to be doing is playing music and having the disk spin when it's not necessary (making it more prone to failure through shock). Anyone who places any value on their stored digital images should consider this. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: AW: AW: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
On 26 Jan 2005 at 8:34, Michael Heim wrote: > You're quite pessimistic... > How many pictures do you store on your pc? There's a lot more other > stuff going on your computer than just mp3. I've worked in the computer industry long enough to know how things like this break. My server contains over 75k images all of which are housed on a RAID in a remote server and are backed up and on top end UPS for protection from power deviations. Anyhow I don't smash my server computer on rocks every day whilst bush-walking either but I have busted a limited lens on rocks in a stream. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: AW: AW: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)
OK. It seems under estimated your fighting while taking pictures... ;-). If you have your harddisk (and the arcos isn't much larger than a pack of cigarettes) in a good photo bag, it shouldnt crash on a rock. Michael >On 26 Jan 2005 at 8:34, Michael Heim wrote: > >> You're quite pessimistic... >> How many pictures do you store on your pc? There's a lot more other >> stuff going on your computer than just mp3. > >I've worked in the computer industry long enough to know how things like this >break. My server contains over 75k images all of which are housed on a >RAID in >a remote server and are backed up and on top end UPS for protection from >power >deviations. Anyhow I don't smash my server computer on rocks every day whilst >bush-walking either but I have busted a limited lens on rocks in a stream. > > > > > > >Rob Studdert >HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA >Tel +61-2-9554-4110 >UTC(GMT) +10 Hours >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ >Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 >
