Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Thanks! Other than the weight, I'm very pleased with the combo what it can do. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha This goes for any gimbal head. You use a gimbal head so you don't have to fight the inherent imbalance/weight of long lens/camera body. I was completely amazed, BTW, at how smooth your 600mm rig is to run. William Robb PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Question for Club600: I can't find King Cobra at either BH or Adorama. At BH this is the least expensive Wimberly I find: http://tinyurl.com/bbksb Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? Thanks, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
The King Cobra is made by Kirk Enterprises: http://www.kirkphoto.com/cobra.html TR Question for Club600: I can't find King Cobra at either BH or Adorama. At BH this is the least expensive Wimberly I find: http://tinyurl.com/bbksb Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? Thanks, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Note that the King Cobra mounts on the side of the lens. I don't know how big an issue that is with the lens you bought but it might be huge. This is an excerpt from an article I found on Luminous Landscape: Begin quote The Wimberley has, to my knowledge, only one significant competitor, the Kirk King Cobra. I have no experience with this mount, so I can't comment on it other than to note that unlike the Wimberley it suspends the lens from the side, rather than the Wimberley design which allows the lens to sit on a platform. This made it unsuitable for my purposes, because the Pentax 600 doesn't have a rotating tripod collar. Any lens without such a rotating mount will similarly not work with the Kirk. At $440 the Kirk is somewhat less expensive than the Wimberley. This price includes the quick release. end quote you can find the complete article here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/wimberley.shtml I hope this helps. TR The King Cobra is made by Kirk Enterprises: http://www.kirkphoto.com/cobra.html TR Question for Club600: I can't find King Cobra at either BH or Adorama. At BH this is the least expensive Wimberly I find: http://tinyurl.com/bbksb Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? Thanks, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an excerpt from an article I found on Luminous Landscape: Begin quote The Wimberley has, to my knowledge, only one significant competitor, the Kirk King Cobra. I have no experience with this mount, so I can't comment on it other than to note that unlike the Wimberley it suspends the lens from the side, rather than the Wimberley design which allows the lens to sit on a platform. This made it unsuitable for my purposes, because the Pentax 600 doesn't have a rotating tripod collar. Any lens without such a rotating mount will similarly not work with the Kirk. At $440 the Kirk is somewhat less expensive than the Wimberley. This price includes the quick release. end quote you can find the complete article here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/wimberley.shtml It looks like he is referring to the 6x7 600/4... So that massive lens has a tripod mount but it doesn't rotate? That's pretty silly. what's the point of having a tripod collar on a lens if you can't rotate it.? Christian
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Will this do the job? Yes. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? You might ultimately need a quick release if you can't obtain an acceptable balance within the adjustment available with the slot on the Wimberly. (You slide the lense back and forth on the Wimberly and lock the location down once you've gotten the camera/lens to balance). With out the quick release, you'll always have a loose lens/camera combo until you screw down the lense mount onto the Wimberly. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Question for Club600: I can't find King Cobra at either BH or Adorama. At BH this is the least expensive Wimberly I find: http://tinyurl.com/bbksb Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? Thanks, Joe PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
FWIW the 600 FA has a rotating tripod collar. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Note that the King Cobra mounts on the side of the lens. I don't know how big an issue that is with the lens you bought but it might be huge. This is an excerpt from an article I found on Luminous Landscape: Begin quote The Wimberley has, to my knowledge, only one significant competitor, the Kirk King Cobra. I have no experience with this mount, so I can't comment on it other than to note that unlike the Wimberley it suspends the lens from the side, rather than the Wimberley design which allows the lens to sit on a platform. This made it unsuitable for my purposes, because the Pentax 600 doesn't have a rotating tripod collar. Any lens without such a rotating mount will similarly not work with the Kirk. At $440 the Kirk is somewhat less expensive than the Wimberley. This price includes the quick release. end quote you can find the complete article here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/wimberley.shtml I hope this helps. TR The King Cobra is made by Kirk Enterprises: http://www.kirkphoto.com/cobra.html TR Question for Club600: I can't find King Cobra at either BH or Adorama. At BH this is the least expensive Wimberly I find: http://tinyurl.com/bbksb Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this? Thanks, Joe PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew Thanks again, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
The Wimberley II is somewhat delayed according to the manufacturer: http://www.tripodhead.com/products/wimberley-version-2-press.cfm The WH-101 is simply the WH-100 with an Arca quick release bolted to it. The manufacturer offers some tips on which one to buy: http://www.tripodhead.com/products/wimberley-options.cfm Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew Thanks again, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
On 2 Nov 2005 at 12:38, Christian wrote: It looks like he is referring to the 6x7 600/4... So that massive lens has a tripod mount but it doesn't rotate? That's pretty silly. what's the point of having a tripod collar on a lens if you can't rotate it.? Not really, from recollection it doesn't need one. The 67 body has an internal and external lens mount and these big lenses use the external one. The external mount is symmetrical so that a body can be mounted horizontally or vertically on it. I think that's it but it was a long time ago that I owned my 67 400/4. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
Joseph Tainter wrote: Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew The two BH images show the old and the (not-yet-out apparently) new Wimberley head. I suspect the clamp is the same for both, and it's a good one, IMO. It's got channels in the bed so that the safety stops on either end of the QR plate can slide almost all the way to the middle of the clamp. This helps a lot with fore-and-aft balance. I'd heard that Really Right Stuff was working on such a clamp, with the added benefit of lever-action quick release. If your QR plate has safety stops on both ends, as Wimberley's do, you have to open the clamp all the way and drop the lens foot in, and then tighten it down. (You can't slide it in from the end.) The lever release would make this quicker and safer. HTH, Stephen Moore
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
- Original Message - From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd heard that Really Right Stuff was working on such a clamp, with the added benefit of lever-action quick release. One of the guys (a Nikon shooter I think) at the Cape May workshop had a brand new lever-action quick release. Christian
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
you must have the quick release to adjust the balance point as you add and subtract equipment such as flash, flash concentrator, and tele-extender. yes, 600mm isn't adequate for a lot more than you think. if you are going after small birds, you really want a 1.4X extender on it a lot of the time. Pentax doesn't make a decent AF one, so you have to try another brand, although the 1.7X AF might work, albeit slowly and not very reliably. Herb - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Will this do the job? The other two models that BH lists seem only to have quick release, which this model lacks. Is there any reason to want quick release on a lens like this?
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
i have a Wimberley head and a Wimberley Sidekick. the side mount on the Sidekick is a definite disadvantage in a most important way. when you have everything put together and make a change in the field, loosening the clamp to rebalance leaves the system with all its weight sitting on one clamp jaw. this means that it doesn't slide back and forth easily to find the new balance point. if you never add or subtract equipment after mounting the lens on the head, then this isn't important. the Wimberley head leaves the weight on the bed of the clamp and it is far easier to slide back and forth after a change. Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Note that the King Cobra mounts on the side of the lens. I don't know how big an issue that is with the lens you bought but it might be huge. This is an excerpt from an article I found on Luminous Landscape:
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
it's silly, but not as bad as it would be on a smaller format body that is less square in capture area. Herb - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha It looks like he is referring to the 6x7 600/4... So that massive lens has a tripod mount but it doesn't rotate? That's pretty silly. what's the point of having a tripod collar on a lens if you can't rotate it.?
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
i have tried several brands. the one with the C-30 clamp is the old style with screw knob tightening. the new version relocates the pan base lock and reduces the weight by about a pound from over 4lb to over 3 lb. check out www.tripodhead.com. you must buy a plate to attach to the bottom of the tripod collar foot. i suggest the Wimberley P-50 plate, the biggest, because it gives you the most length to slide for balancing purposes. the Wimberley head is just about useless unless your system is balanced properly. Herb... - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
the RRS lever clamp that fits has no channels. the ones with channels don't fit. i tried. without the channels, it wasn't worth putting my clamp onto the head. if Joe has access to a machine shop, it would be trivial to mill the channels, especially if he uses the C-30 as a model. i ended up staying with the C-30 after testing several RRS clamps. Herb... - Original Message - From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha I'd heard that Really Right Stuff was working on such a clamp, with the added benefit of lever-action quick release. If your QR plate has safety stops on both ends, as Wimberley's do, you have to open the clamp all the way and drop the lens foot in, and then tighten it down. (You can't slide it in from the end.) The lever release would make this quicker and safer.
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
You have other choices for QR systems. Kirk or Really right Stuff. Either one will attach to the Wimberly. Either one sells plates with stops at both ends that can be used or removed. I believe Really right Stuff is currently the only one using a lever actuated receiver. I much prefer the screw type - much less to get caught on something and release the lens. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew Thanks again, Joe
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
it couldn't have been a RRS one. i tried them all. one of the Kirk ones might fit. i have to check them out again now that they have their own line of lever clamps. Herb - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha One of the guys (a Nikon shooter I think) at the Cape May workshop had a brand new lever-action quick release.
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
the Wimberley head is just about useless unless your system is balanced properly This goes for any gimbal head. You use a gimbal head so you don't have to fight the inherent imbalance/weight of long lens/camera body. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha i have tried several brands. the one with the C-30 clamp is the old style with screw knob tightening. the new version relocates the pan base lock and reduces the weight by about a pound from over 4lb to over 3 lb. check out www.tripodhead.com. you must buy a plate to attach to the bottom of the tripod collar foot. i suggest the Wimberley P-50 plate, the biggest, because it gives you the most length to slide for balancing purposes. the Wimberley head is just about useless unless your system is balanced properly. Herb... - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha Okay, then I will need a quick release. What's to choose between: http://tinyurl.com/blkm7 or http://tinyurl.com/ayoew
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha This goes for any gimbal head. You use a gimbal head so you don't have to fight the inherent imbalance/weight of long lens/camera body. I was completely amazed, BTW, at how smooth your 600mm rig is to run. William Robb
Re: Tripod Head for Big Bertha
On Nov 3, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: Not really, from recollection it doesn't need one. The 67 body has an internal and external lens mount and these big lenses use the external one. The external mount is symmetrical so that a body can be mounted horizontally or vertically on it. I think that's it but it was a long time ago that I owned my 67 400/4. I nearly broke a 67 400/4 because of that accursed external mount. - Dave
