Re: URL format in posts

[Walt]

On 1/4/2013 6:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Larry Colen

On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Are we going to have another ridiculous this vs that feud now? Digital
vs Film, aperture coupler vs none, Windows vs Mac


KY vs Bengay?



Products for two entirely different problems. You do *NOT* want to get 
them mixed up.


Unless you're into that sort of thing. And I guarantee you somebody, 
somewhere, is.


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Re: URL format in posts

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Are we going to have another ridiculous this vs that feud now? Digital
vs Film, aperture coupler vs none, Windows vs Mac


KY vs Bengay?



Products for two entirely different problems. You do *NOT* want to get 
them mixed up.


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Re: URL format in posts

[Boris Liberman]

We don't need to funny brackets... First version just works on my 
Thunderbird 17.0 Portable under Win7.


On 1/2/2013 11:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
plain URL in the email:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/

So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:


which show up in the browser on my phone as
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e

with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for people 
who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the bracket and the 
url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the url?
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >


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Re: URL format in posts

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> The browser you're using is broken shit, Larry.
>
> Not browser, email client. And it's not a piece of shit, but it does have a 
> bug. ...

Yes, I realized that after I hit the send button. Slip o the fingers...

No big deal to me. I get broken URLs all the time ... I just copy and
paste them into the browser properly if I want to see what's been
offered. Easy to do that on iOS ... :-)

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Re: URL format in posts

[steve harley]

on 2013-01-03 15:23 Larry Colen wrote

It seems that no matter how you format the URL, it'll break something.


one solution is to always use a shortener (e.g. bitly); these URLs are too 
short for most clients to mess them up, they do obfuscate …


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Re: URL format in posts

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Are we going to have another ridiculous this vs that feud now? Digital
> vs Film, aperture coupler vs none, Windows vs Mac

KY vs Bengay?

> ... Now Android vs
> iOS?

Huh?  I think you're the only one seeing that as a debate in this.  It was 
about how to format URLs in email.  It seems that no matter how you format the 
URL, it'll break something.
> 
> The browser you're using is broken shit, Larry.

Not browser, email client. And it's not a piece of shit, but it does have a 
bug. One that I have filed a bug report for, and downloaded the source to see 
if I can find a fix.

> Get a new browser, or
> live with it. Life is imperfect.
> 
> G
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Re: URL format in posts

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:05 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2013-01-02 14:22 Larry Colen wrote
>
>> As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a
>> plain URL in the email:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/
>
>
> it depends on the URL, and the sender, as well as the recipient; your
> example is too easy — long URLs or those with certain punctuation may be
> more problematic [...]

Just for the record, Flickr URLs have been problematic for Gmail
users, because Gmail sometimes interprets the numbers at the end as a
phone number, and tries to make that portion a link to dial the
number, instead of making an HTTP link from the whole URL.

(It didn't happen to me for the particular URL above, but I have seen
it on other, similar Flickr links.)

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Re: URL format in posts

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Are we going to have another ridiculous this vs that feud now? Digital
vs Film, aperture coupler vs none, Windows vs Mac ... Now Android vs
iOS?

The browser you're using is broken shit, Larry. Get a new browser, or
live with it. Life is imperfect.

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Re: URL format in posts

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

I chose Android because that's what they gave me at work.

Cheers,
frank

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>
> Nope.  I chose Android over iOS because I find the iOS UI unusable.  

I chose Android because it's what Tom C uses...

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Re: URL format in posts

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: URL format in posts





Nope.  I chose Android over iOS because I find the iOS UI unusable.  


I chose Android because it's what Tom C uses...

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Re: URL format in posts

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:19 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:22:01PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
>>> plain URL in the email:
>>> 
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/
>>> 
>>> So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> which show up in the browser on my phone as
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e
>>> 
>>> with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for 
>>> people who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the 
>>> bracket and the url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the 
>>> url?
>>> < http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >
>> 
>> The browser on your phone is broken.
> 
> Agreed.

So it seems.

> 
> And any proposed "solution" that requires a large number of people to
> change their habitual behaviour and adopt some new convention is
> doomed to failure.

There is that.  It turns out that there is no perfect solution.
Though using something like tinyurl.com for long urls can really help.

> 
> Submit a bug report. In fact, it's Open Source.

Already have.

> Fix it yourself.

Just downloaded the source before reading this.

> Isn't
> that why you chose Android over iOS?  ;-)

Nope.  I chose Android over iOS because I find the iOS UI unusable.  


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Re: URL format in posts

[steve harley]

on 2013-01-02 15:19 John Francis wrote


This should also work as a way to get to that same URL: < 
http://www.w3.org/Addressing/
URL/5.1_Wrappers.html >


that fails as received Thunderbird, probably because you are not using 
format=flowed; it might have worked if the brackets weren't spaced from the 
actual URL




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Re: URL format in posts

[steve harley]

on 2013-01-02 14:22 Larry Colen wrote

As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
plain URL in the email:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/


it depends on the URL, and the sender, as well as the recipient; your example 
is too easy — long URLs or those with certain punctuation may be more 
problematic, even with angle brackets, for some clients; senders (like you) who 
do not use format=flowed also increase the odds of a long URL not being sewn 
back together by the receiving email app (the original purpose of the brackets 
was to disambiguate multi-line URLs)




So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:



this practice stems from RFC 1738, "APPENDIX: Recommendations for URLs in 
Context"; however few email clients are 100% compliant; there are other email 
practices which i consider more important (e.g. always include plain text 
version, use format=flowed, use utf-8)


here's a test; sending with format=flowed, the following URL works fine for me 
when received in Thunderbird 17, Apple Mail 5.3, Gmail (web & iOS app), 
Fastmail's webmail, and iOS Mail


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_Musical_Listenings_That_Have_Been_Origin_in_Moving_Film_%22Borat:_Cultural_Learnings_of_America_for_Make_Benefit_Glorious_Nation_of_Kazakhstan%22

i'd be interested to know for whom it breaks, and if so, whether the following 
also breaks:




it may be hard to tell if that
if i had sent this without format=flowed, i suspect it would break for more 
clients



which show up in the browser on my phone as
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e


there's a bug in your email client (or webmail system); also note that many web 
servers are now stripping a trailing %3E by default, because there are so many 
broken email clients




with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for people 
who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the bracket and the 
url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the url?
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >


i wouldn't bother with that; just drop the angle brackets if you don't want 
certain people with broken email clients to have the problem you are having; 
but it may (or may not) cause others to have a problem, and it won't change 
what people send you




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Re: URL format in posts

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:19 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:22:01PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
>> As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
>> plain URL in the email:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/
>>
>> So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:
>> 
>>
>> which show up in the browser on my phone as
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e
>>
>> with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for 
>> people who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the bracket 
>> and the url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the url?
>> < http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >
>
> The browser on your phone is broken.

Agreed.

And any proposed "solution" that requires a large number of people to
change their habitual behaviour and adopt some new convention is
doomed to failure.

Submit a bug report. In fact, it's Open Source. Fix it yourself. Isn't
that why you chose Android over iOS?  ;-)

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Re: URL format in posts

[John Francis]

On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:22:01PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
> As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
> plain URL in the email:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/
> 
> So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:
> 
> 
> which show up in the browser on my phone as
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e
> 
> with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for 
> people who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the bracket 
> and the url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the url?
> < http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >

The browser on your phone is broken.

Wrapping a URI/URL in angle brackets is a recommended practice
(found, amongst other paces, at < 
http://www.w3.org/Addressing/URL/5.1_Wrappers.html >)

This should also work as a way to get to that same URL: < 
http://www.w3.org/Addressing/
URL/5.1_Wrappers.html >
 
Note that I've tried adding spaces between the wrapper and the URL to see if 
that helps.

Many click-on-a-link applications don't recognise a URL that has been split 
across
multiple lines unless it is enclosed in angle brackets.


Your mail client my not automatically split lines, but a lot of them out there 
do.



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URL format in posts

[Larry Colen]

As I understand it, I guess that some people have a problem with posting a 
plain URL in the email:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/

So, people have taken to enclosing them in angle brackets:


which show up in the browser on my phone as
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/%3e

with the appended %3e causing file not found errors.  Would it work for people 
who need the angle brackets, if there was a space between the bracket and the 
url, so that the bracket doesn't get parsed as part of the url?
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8339725404/ >


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