Re: Limits of machine printing (was Re: Wal-Mart and film processing)
Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might I suggest looking into doing your own scanning and printing digitally? You'll lose any issues with framing and neg film (Slide mounts are still an issue unless you don't get the slides mounted). I've been thinking of that for some time but haven't been able to afford a slide/neg scanner yet (nor do I have a printer capable of suitable-quality output) ... and unlike flatbeds, film scanners don't seem to turn up as my friends' I've upgraded and the old one needs a new home hand-me-downs. (A photo-quality printer is a little more likely to turn up that way but hasn't yet.) But getting a halfway decent film scanner is on the agenda ifwhen the opportunity arises. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Limits of machine printing (was Re: Wal-Mart and film processing)
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they could not print what I saw in the viewfinder. IIRC, they weren't as bad as wherever K-Mart sent film out to, where they cut somebody's face in half on a group photo then tried to tell me it was my mistake even when I showed them the negative with a millimeter or so of space between that person and the edge of the frame, I've explained before why this isn't possible on a machine printer. Yes, you have. Some machines -- and some installations -- seem to be worse than others. The lab I use now prints enough of the frame that what I get back is pretty close to what I saw. (Not exact, but reasonably close.) The nearest Wal-Mart minilab and the bulk lab that K-Mart sent film out to were bad enough that I basically couldn't shoot any subject that came close to filling the frame. And in the case of that group photo where the rightmost person got cut in half, I could understand the gap between them and the edge of the frame getting swallowed up, but the gap plus half the person? How many millimeters is it acceptable for the machine to lose? The lab I go to now did explain that they couldn't machine print the entire frame either, but their machines are set up to print a lot more of the frame than the one-hour places I've tried ... and if I _really_ need it, I can get hand-printing on an enlarger there. If you are putting needed picture elements that close to the edge of the frame you need to rethink your composition strategies anyway. Isn't one of the stock bits of advice get closer? I try to _use_ the frame (when the combination of the lens I've got and where I can stand allow me to compose exactly as I'd like, that is) to show as much or as little context as I think suits the subject. So I'm looking, when I remember anyhow, at the edges as well as the center. I know my viewfinders are not 100% coverage, and that the machine isn't either, but as long as the two lose _approximately_ (very approximately) the same amount of the frame, its reasonably useable. When I had a similar problem at a Ritz Camera a long time ago, the operator tweaked something and got me more of the frame (though still not as much as I get from the machines at my current lab). At Wal-Mart they said that was impossible, but I don't know whether they meant that model of machine didn't have that control or that with the volume of customers they were serving they din't have time for that sort of adjustment. I don't know the make/model of any of these machines ... I had notes on a few of them at one point, but I've no idea where I put those notes. I suppose if I were always using the same minilab, or if they all cropped the same amount, I could put pencil marks in all my viewfinders ...? I'm not philosophically opposed to cropping, by the way, but if I want a standard-size print from an intentionally cropped image, I'm back to paying pro-lab prices anyhow; the other way to get full control of my framing is to back up to make sure everything I want will get printed, then take scissors to the print to take back out the bits I don't want that I included just to be sure none of the intentional stuff got cropped by the machine. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Limits of machine printing (was Re: Wal-Mart and film processing)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they could not print what I saw in the viewfinder. IIRC, they weren't as bad as wherever K-Mart sent film out to, where they cut somebody's face in half on a group photo then tried to tell me it was my mistake even when I showed them the negative with a millimeter or so of space between that person and the edge of the frame, I've explained before why this isn't possible on a machine printer. Yes, you have. Some machines -- and some installations -- seem to be worse than others. The lab I use now prints enough of the frame that what I get back is pretty close to what I saw. (Not exact, but reasonably close.) The nearest Wal-Mart minilab and the bulk lab that K-Mart sent film out to were bad enough that I basically couldn't shoot any subject that came close to filling the frame. And in the case of that group photo where the rightmost person got cut in half, I could understand the gap between them and the edge of the frame getting swallowed up, but the gap plus half the person? How many millimeters is it acceptable for the machine to lose? The lab I go to now did explain that they couldn't machine print the entire frame either, but their machines are set up to print a lot more of the frame than the one-hour places I've tried ... and if I _really_ need it, I can get hand-printing on an enlarger there. If you are putting needed picture elements that close to the edge of the frame you need to rethink your composition strategies anyway. Isn't one of the stock bits of advice get closer? I try to _use_ the frame (when the combination of the lens I've got and where I can stand allow me to compose exactly as I'd like, that is) to show as much or as little context as I think suits the subject. So I'm looking, when I remember anyhow, at the edges as well as the center. I know my viewfinders are not 100% coverage, and that the machine isn't either, but as long as the two lose _approximately_ (very approximately) the same amount of the frame, its reasonably useable. When I had a similar problem at a Ritz Camera a long time ago, the operator tweaked something and got me more of the frame (though still not as much as I get from the machines at my current lab). At Wal-Mart they said that was impossible, but I don't know whether they meant that model of machine didn't have that control or that with the volume of customers they were serving they din't have time for that sort of adjustment. I don't know the make/model of any of these machines ... I had notes on a few of them at one point, but I've no idea where I put those notes. I suppose if I were always using the same minilab, or if they all cropped the same amount, I could put pencil marks in all my viewfinders ...? I'm not philosophically opposed to cropping, by the way, but if I want a standard-size print from an intentionally cropped image, I'm back to paying pro-lab prices anyhow; the other way to get full control of my framing is to back up to make sure everything I want will get printed, then take scissors to the print to take back out the bits I don't want that I included just to be sure none of the intentional stuff got cropped by the machine. -- Glenn Glenn, Might I suggest looking into doing your own scanning and printing digitally? You'll lose any issues with framing and neg film (Slide mounts are still an issue unless you don't get the slides mounted). Of course you'll still need to crop for print sizes other than 4x6, as the print sizes don't have the same aspect ratio as 35mm film. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing they could not print what I saw in the viewfinder. IIRC, they weren't as bad as wherever K-Mart sent film out to, where they cut somebody's face in half on a group photo then tried to tell me it was my mistake even when I showed them the negative with a millimeter or so of space between that person and the edge of the frame, directions. I've explained before why this isn't possible on a machine printer. Check the archives. If you are putting needed picture elements that close to the edge of the frame you need to rethink your composition strategies anyway. Or, be willing to pay a whack of money for eessentially nothing extra at the pro labs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing
[dropping in mid-thread 'cause I'm months behind] Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of all the non-specialized labs, I like Wal-Mart's one-hour service. It looks like its relatively consistent acceptable quality. They usually don't mind redoing the prints if you don't like the colors, they do matte finish, and by doing it locally there is a smaller risk of a mixup. Smaller risk of a mixup, agreed (they still did manage it but getting it straightened out at the counter was feasible). As to the rest ... well, my mileage did vary. I wasn't really thrilled with their printing (with their throughput and schedule they haven't the time to correct wrong guesses by the machine frame-by-frame), the folks at the one I went to re-did prints grudgingly, and -- the detail that finally chased me to the pro labs -- they could not print what I saw in the viewfinder. IIRC, they weren't as bad as wherever K-Mart sent film out to, where they cut somebody's face in half on a group photo then tried to tell me it was my mistake even when I showed them the negative with a millimeter or so of space between that person and the edge of the frame, but I was still frustrated to be told that their machine was not able to print as close to the edge of the frame as my viewfinder let me compose, and I was tired of having to try to remember, or guess, where the printing limit was on each body I used. It defeated one of the cool features of using an SLR in the first place. (That being inside the nearest Wal-Mart store makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable probably didn't help. I'm not sure why that particular store bothers me so much. I don't care for Wal-Mart in general, but most of their stores don't affect me that strongly.) So after a bunch of different bulk labs and one-hour labs, I finally decided I needed to take my normal processing to the same kind of lab that handled my push-processing and my IR, and resigned myself to having to wait a lot longer to save up enough money to pay for each batch of processing. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing
A bit delayed, but maybe it is helpful. Of all the non-specialized labs, I like Wal-Mart's one-hour service. It looks like its relatively consistent acceptable quality. They usually don't mind redoing the prints if you don't like the colors, they do matte finish, and by doing it locally there is a smaller risk of a mixup. I've used Wal-Mart 1-hour service in IL, MA, various parts of CA, and probably elsewhere.. As for send-out labs, I had parts of my negatives lost and had somebody's else negatives put together with mine when I tried to used send-out services from Sams Club and from K-Mart. So I decided that the savings were not worth my frustrations. Later on, that thought brough me to professional photo labs... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
On 10/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Christian -- sorry 'bout the name... Not as sorry as I am. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I suspect Cotty was making a subtle little pun... I wasn't making no pun. Just get off me bleedin Juniper bush! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu AM 01:47:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Glen Sorry, I couldn't see the screen for tears after reading Lieb Merkin Professor of the Talmud. On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu AM 07:02:30 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) On 10/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I suspect Cotty was making a subtle little pun... I wasn't making no pun. Just get off me bleedin Juniper bush! Er, how shall we get off your Juniper bush, oh Cott? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Glen Tortorella wrote: In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Indeed it does. Probably not in the way you intended, though... plonk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Wow. I wondered why this thread was so long. We should probably change the subject line or abandon this as futile. I suggest the latter. Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/2007 7:32 AM Glen Tortorella wrote: In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Indeed it does. Probably not in the way you intended, though... plonk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:470e0a54112748114633752! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
We really didn't need a character assessment... Cotty wrote: On 10/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Christian -- sorry 'bout the name... Not as sorry as I am. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Glen, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE! What a sorry excuse for human being you are. I'll be happy to block your posts now. Get out of our neighborhood! Patience Bob. He may grow a brain if we are kind to him, but if we shun him, he will surely continue down the path he is on. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Steve Sharpe wrote: Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. I wonder what Wal-mart in Canada is like? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a couple of rolls of Kodachrome that I bought when I still lived in the USA and there does not seen to be anywhere in this country where it's processed anymore. Dwayne's is it for Kodachrome. I've read a few threads over at photodotnet suggesting that some folks up north have been able get processing done by dropping it off at the drug store and Wal-Mart. You could also send it directly to them. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. I wonder what Wal-mart in Canada is like? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a couple of rolls of Kodachrome that I bought when I still lived in the USA and there does not seen to be anywhere in this country where it's processed anymore. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
No, Scott, thank you for posting this information--I very much appreciate it. As I have no current plans to digitize, this is valuable information. My wife and I have been using the Wal-Mart in Winchester for most of our processing. The pro shops in toward DC charge about four times as much, and the difference is usually negligible (if present at all). I give the rolls to my wife, she combines them with hers, and then she fills out the information at the W-M photo kiosk (she has better handwriting than I :) As I have said here before, I have never even read the information at the kiosk regarding digital processing. Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. Regards, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Since we've been tossing around the Wal-Mart name a bit, and since I've been doing some scanning recently, this has been on my mind and I thought I'd share (with the other 2 of you who are still shooting film). When I was working in Hagerstown, MD I brought my E-6 to a little independent shop called FirstLook Photo. They had a 2 hour slide service than ran about $8. Drop off before my shift, pick up during lunch. It was wonderful and well worth the price. The finished product was mounted in plastic and filed in archival pages punched for 3-ring binders. They also still did BW in house. Not having the volume to process it every day, the store owner would do it himself once per week. I think he just liked black and white processing and wasn't too terribly interested in making money from it. After moving north a bit, FirstLook became inconvenient. So I started looking around for another E-6 processor. I tried three different small shops. None of them did it on site, turn around was at least a week, and the end result was variable. Prices ranged from $8 to $12 per roll. So I decided to try Wal-Mart. In case you don't know, Wal-Mart sends everything that's not 1-hour C-41 to Fuji. As I have had good luck with Fuji's processing in the past, via mailers, I put a few rolls in Wal-Mart's send-out bin. Success! About a week, quality was consistent, and the price tag was $4.88. Turns out, sometime between a year ago and now, Fuji closed their E-6 facility and contracted with Dwayne's. I like Dwayne's. A lot. They do good work. Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. FWIW - there are a couple of pro labs in the area, but I haven't tried them. They cater mostly to wedding photographers and don't seem to have much interest in developing a roll or two for guys like me. They're also considerably more expensive. I suppose I'd use them if I was being paid for it, but for the amateur crap I shoot, Wal-Mart is fine. Thanks for listening. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
- Original Message - From: Steve Sharpe Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I wonder what Wal-mart in Canada is like? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a couple of rolls of Kodachrome that I bought when I still lived in the USA and there does not seen to be anywhere in this country where it's processed anymore. -- Kodachrome sent for processing in Canada takes a rather long trip from the store to the closest Qualex Canada lab. From there it goes to Qualex in Toronto, who outlabs it to the Kodak lab in (I believe) Farmington, N.J. (thats in the USA). They send it on to Dwaynes in Kansas who has the only Kodachrome facility in North America, and from what I understand, one of only two or three left in the world. After the processing is done, the film makes the return trip, and eventually makes it back to the sending store. One thing to remember is that if the film was bought outside of Canada, processing will not be prepaid. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal-Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Steve, i was just going to ask that. We have a Wally world here in town now, and never thought they might be able to do that for us. The only other person i know to do E-6 in this area ~was~ in the east end of Oshawa, but i'm not sure he is still in business. Dave On 10/10/07, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. I wonder what Wal-mart in Canada is like? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a couple of rolls of Kodachrome that I bought when I still lived in the USA and there does not seen to be anywhere in this country where it's processed anymore. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] • http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. You are correct. Send out from the store where I worked went to Fuji in Atlanta and usually took 3 business days. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal-Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott, thanks so much for this information. I just shot several rolls of Velvia on Sunday and I was at a loss as to where to develop them for good quality and a good price. I guess I'll be dropping mine of at Walmart :) Thanks!! rg2 On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal-Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 11:20 AM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... I print 4X6 with my Epson SP825. That's premium glossy paper...I don't know if that size is available in other types. If I want bigger than 8X10 then I switch to roll paper, which allows 8X12, 8xwhatever. -- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
- Original Message - From: Glen Tortorella Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I happen to like the scanners that are attached to the printers at minilabs. Let someone else do the donkey work for you. You are getting film processed anyway, so get a high res CD made at the time of processing. There are a couple of quality levels available. Yer basic, low end CD will be about 1000x1500 pixels, which isn't good for anything past a 5x7 or so print, but you can also get a 2000x3000 pixel file, which is good for most applications. Note, I am not familiar with what Fuji is outputting, only Noritsu, but I expect Fuji must have something similar. The more recent (3000 series and on) Noritsu machines have Digital Ice built into the scanning software, so dust isn't an issue. The only drawback is that they aren't supporting 16 bit files, so you will want to convert to 16 bit when you open them. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't open a jpeg and work on it and resave it without losing quality. You can, just save as a tiff or psd. If you can find a friendly and knowledgable person at a department store lab who knows how to set things up, you might even be able to get high res CDs from a Wal-Mart style lab at a favourable price. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 9:02 AM -0400 10/10/07, Scott Loveless wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. I wonder what Wal-mart in Canada is like? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a couple of rolls of Kodachrome that I bought when I still lived in the USA and there does not seen to be anywhere in this country where it's processed anymore. Dwayne's is it for Kodachrome. I've read a few threads over at photodotnet suggesting that some folks up north have been able get processing done by dropping it off at the drug store and Wal-Mart. You could also send it directly to them. That is what I thought. The two pro labs in Halifax won't touch it, even to send it on. I've been dealing with Dwayne's since they took over Fuji's processing, but I've had difficulties since moving back to Canada so I am planning to start having my Velvia processed locally. I've got to email them regarding a missing roll of Velvia so I'll inquire about the costs of sending them my Kodachromes as well. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't let anyone tell you that you can't open a jpeg and work on it and resave it without losing quality. You can, just save as a tiff or psd. William Robb Nitpicking... you likely won't lose anything over and above the original lossy compression inherent in the .jpg if you do it this way, until you save the file as a .jpg again, if one has the need. You knew that. :-) Good advice though. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal-Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you for the comment... The Epson 4x6 paper is available only in glossy or semi-gloss. It is also rather expensive at $9.00 for 40 sheets. This amounts to nearly the same number of prints as a roll of film (36 vs. 40)--and that is just for paper, without ink and shipping on the paper (if one purchases it via mail order). For $8.92 I can have two rolls of 24 developed and printed (*in matte*) at Wal-Mart, or, for $15.50, I can have a professional lab (i.e. AI) develop and print a roll of 36. Again, I have yet to see the overwhelming cost savings or general astuteness of scanning and printing at home. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 11:20 AM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... I print 4X6 with my Epson SP825. That's premium glossy paper...I don't know if that size is available in other types. If I want bigger than 8X10 then I switch to roll paper, which allows 8X12, 8xwhatever. -- Steve • [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The send out is cheaper too. Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal-Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/Epson-Perfection-Printer-3170-Photo-Scanner_W0QQitemZ270173612528QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://tinyurl.com/3aogtf -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Glen Tortorella Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I happen to like the scanners that are attached to the printers at minilabs. Let someone else do the donkey work for you. You are getting film processed anyway, so get a high res CD made at the time of processing. There are a couple of quality levels available. Yer basic, low end CD will be about 1000x1500 pixels, which isn't good for anything past a 5x7 or so print, but you can also get a 2000x3000 pixel file, which is good for most applications. Note, I am not familiar with what Fuji is outputting, only Noritsu, but I expect Fuji must have something similar. The more recent (3000 series and on) Noritsu machines have Digital Ice built into the scanning software, so dust isn't an issue. The only drawback is that they aren't supporting 16 bit files, so you will want to convert to 16 bit when you open them. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't open a jpeg and work on it and resave it without losing quality. You can, just save as a tiff or psd. If you can find a friendly and knowledgable person at a department store lab who knows how to set things up, you might even be able to get high res CDs from a Wal-Mart style lab at a favourable price. William Robb The only real problem is the Minilab scans tend to be oversharpened. I do get the low-res scans for my 35mm C-41 stuff, since it's essentially free. I rescan at high res for anything I want to print. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal- Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print the stuff yourself. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,
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I see. Would a semi-gloss paper be a better choice (and be similar to the semi-matte of minilabs)? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: It will(although not ideally, it's intended for pigment printers), but note it's a true Matte paper, not the semi-matte or pearl that minilabs pass off as matte paper. Matte papers are not really ideal for colour work unless you want a watercolour look to the print. You may want to look at Moab?legion's other products as well, I simply went with the paper I knew. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1- hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal- Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional
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FWIW _ you might want to keep an eye on the Epson clearance center, as they from time to time have greatly reduced prices on printers, scanners etc. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/BuyEpson/ccHome.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yesoid=0 Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It will(although not ideally, it's intended for pigment printers), but note it's a true Matte paper, not the semi-matte or pearl that minilabs pass off as matte paper. Matte papers are not really ideal for colour work unless you want a watercolour look to the print. You may want to look at Moab?legion's other products as well, I simply went with the paper I knew. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1-hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal- Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I used to send film to a mail order outfit called Clark Color (I believe they're affiliated with York Photo). They would print C-41 BW and traditional BW on traditional black and white paper. They have since gone to a production inkjet system that really sucks. Your best bet is to get a scanner and scan/print
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Yes. I'm fond of Epson Premium Luster myself for colour printing, but that's a little glossier than the semi-matte minilabs call matte. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I see. Would a semi-gloss paper be a better choice (and be similar to the semi-matte of minilabs)? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: It will(although not ideally, it's intended for pigment printers), but note it's a true Matte paper, not the semi-matte or pearl that minilabs pass off as matte paper. Matte papers are not really ideal for colour work unless you want a watercolour look to the print. You may want to look at Moab?legion's other products as well, I simply went with the paper I knew. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1- hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most mini-labs don't do it well. Wal- Mart, as well as Target, Costco, Rite-Aid, etc., are probably going to print it on the same paper they print everything else on. You're going to have a color cast. I
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Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Epson Ultra Premium Luster is similar in texture and gloss to what mini labs pass off as matte paper. It's a very high quality sheet and prints beautifully. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see. Would a semi-gloss paper be a better choice (and be similar to the semi-matte of minilabs)? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: It will(although not ideally, it's intended for pigment printers), but note it's a true Matte paper, not the semi-matte or pearl that minilabs pass off as matte paper. Matte papers are not really ideal for colour work unless you want a watercolour look to the print. You may want to look at Moab?legion's other products as well, I simply went with the paper I knew. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The 4490 is likely a better choice to start than the 4990, unless you're already shooting Large Format. You'll also want to pick up some 35mm ANR inserts from betterscanning.com, they massively improve 35mm scans from flatbeds. You'll want 2 for the 4490. Note Epson.com has refurbs right now for $99. The printer will come with a set of ink carts. So you won't be buying ink right away. If you intend to do large amounts of printing, a R2400 or up will quickly pay for itself in Ink (the R2400's in costs are about 1/4 the cost of an R280's, due to the cartridges holding a lot more ink than the low-end cartridges. Note that a high-end printer like the Epson 4800 is even cheaper, at about 1/3 of the cost of the R2400. The cost difference between those two is about 250 8x10's). Your best bet if you like 5x7's is to print 2 to a page and cut down. Most papers are available in 8.5x11 and larger only. A few are available in 5x7, Moab papers in particular are available in 5x7 (Entrada bright is a superb matte art paper). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... Thanks, Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Anyway, in the years we have done this, our results with print processing have been very good. I wish they would offer good BW print C-41 processing, though. Those two rolls with the purplish tint disappointed me. Perhaps print BW C-41 is just too strange an animal? I have been thinking of leaving my color print processing to W-M, and trying AI mailers for my BW prints. Overall, their prices are rather high (though not more than the pro shops), but since they charge only $1.50 a roll more for traditional print BW ($15.50 vs. $17.00), I may opt for that. I have heard that their work is excellent (Old Grumpy had endorsed them). I welcome any further thoughts. I've had inconsistent results with Wal-Mart's in house processing. Thus, everything goes into their send-out bin, even the C-41 stuff. It seems that quality is variable by store and by staff. Fuji is much more consistent. Basically, if you put your film in one of their 1- hour envelopes they're going to process it in the store. As far as I can tell, anything that's not in a 1-hour envelope goes to Fuji and takes a few days, at least. Perhaps Bill can confirm this. C-41 BW is tricky and most
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The staples store near here stocks the epson premium glossy 4x6 papaer in stacks of 100 for about $0.20 a piece. I use it for testing mostly. Dave On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the comment... The Epson 4x6 paper is available only in glossy or semi-gloss. It is also rather expensive at $9.00 for 40 sheets. This amounts to nearly the same number of prints as a roll of film (36 vs. 40)--and that is just for paper, without ink and shipping on the paper (if one purchases it via mail order). For $8.92 I can have two rolls of 24 developed and printed (*in matte*) at Wal-Mart, or, for $15.50, I can have a professional lab (i.e. AI) develop and print a roll of 36. Again, I have yet to see the overwhelming cost savings or general astuteness of scanning and printing at home. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 11:20 AM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... I print 4X6 with my Epson SP825. That's premium glossy paper...I don't know if that size is available in other types. If I want bigger than 8X10 then I switch to roll paper, which allows 8X12, 8xwhatever. -- Steve • [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 1:10 PM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for the comment... The Epson 4x6 paper is available only in glossy or semi-gloss. It is also rather expensive at $9.00 for 40 sheets. This amounts to nearly the same number of prints as a roll of film (36 vs. 40)--and that is just for paper, without ink and shipping on the paper (if one purchases it via mail order). For $8.92 I can have two rolls of 24 developed and printed (*in matte*) at Wal-Mart, or, for $15.50, I can have a professional lab (i.e. AI) develop and print a roll of 36. Again, I have yet to see the overwhelming cost savings or general astuteness of scanning and printing at home. Good points. For myself, I seldom want prints of everything on a roll - I'm not that good a photographer - so why pay for prints I don't want? I prefer specify develop only when I take the film in, then scan the film when I get it back, examine the images on the monitor and then only print the ones I like. That saves me money. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Is it at all difficult to select and print only those negatives that you find acceptable? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 1:10 PM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for the comment... The Epson 4x6 paper is available only in glossy or semi-gloss. It is also rather expensive at $9.00 for 40 sheets. This amounts to nearly the same number of prints as a roll of film (36 vs. 40)--and that is just for paper, without ink and shipping on the paper (if one purchases it via mail order). For $8.92 I can have two rolls of 24 developed and printed (*in matte*) at Wal-Mart, or, for $15.50, I can have a professional lab (i.e. AI) develop and print a roll of 36. Again, I have yet to see the overwhelming cost savings or general astuteness of scanning and printing at home. Good points. For myself, I seldom want prints of everything on a roll - I'm not that good a photographer - so why pay for prints I don't want? I prefer specify develop only when I take the film in, then scan the film when I get it back, examine the images on the monitor and then only print the ones I like. That saves me money. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] • http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Glen, Your position is rather extreem. God protect me from people like you who know the 'right'. So much war and persecution can be blamed on this. Regards, Bob S On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
This is probably the most inane, pigheaded post I've ever seen on this forum. The people who run BH are some of the most honest businessmen I've ever encountered. I don't subscribe fully to any god, but if there is such an entity, I'm sure she frowns upon anyone who would discriminate against another because of their beliefs. Such nonsense. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for the comment... The Epson 4x6 paper is available only in glossy or semi-gloss. It is also rather expensive at $9.00 for 40 sheets. This amounts to nearly the same number of prints as a roll of film (36 vs. 40)--and that is just for paper, without ink and shipping on the paper (if one purchases it via mail order). For $8.92 I can have two rolls of 24 developed and printed (*in matte*) at Wal-Mart, or, for $15.50, I can have a professional lab (i.e. AI) develop and print a roll of 36. Again, I have yet to see the overwhelming cost savings or general astuteness of scanning and printing at home. Glen There are none, except in two rather specialised scenarios. Firstly, if you turn over enough pictures to make a saving in film costs that can subsidise your investment in equipment. Secondly, if you make enough large prints that would have to be printed in a pro lab, the savings from such expensive printing can be used as above. Both of which ignore the cost of your own time. On Oct 10, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 11:20 AM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: I am considering buying a scanner (and a photo inkjet, too). I do not like being pigeon-holed to the 8.5x11 size, or having to cut my prints in order to attain different sizes. I mention 8.5x11 because this is clearly the most popular print paper size, and it is also the only one (at least in Epson's line) that comes in matte with borders. I would prefer 5x7, and I dislike glossy prints. I mention Epson because their R280 printer seems like a great value. In any case, what do yo recommend for a scanner? I believe someone mentioned something with 4990 in the model number (Epson perhaps?). Again, the scanner route is still questionable for me. While it has its advantages--in terms of control of print quality, etc.--it, to me, seems like it is rather limiting, too. Then there is the *total* start-up cost that few, with the exception of Rebekah, seem to acknowledge. Yes, the printer is $99, but then ink for it is about $70, a scanner is probably $200-$300, and then there is that calibration software, and what else...? I consider all of this in light of: 8.5x11 for everything, unless I am willing to start cutting...Hmm... I print 4X6 with my Epson SP825. That's premium glossy paper...I don't know if that size is available in other types. If I want bigger than 8X10 then I switch to roll paper, which allows 8X12, 8xwhatever. -- Steve • [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I'd also just point out that the parable of the Good Samaritan is a perfect example of how both Jews and Christians should treat others. Granted, I won't donate money to or support causes which I find morally objectionable. On the other hand, I differentiate between a person's or entity's business and it's members' religious beliefs. In this case, BH is selling electronic, computer, and photographic gear, doing a legitimate business, and in a sense providing a service. Those working for BH have just as much right to earn a living as the next person. Tom C. From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:36:03 -0600 I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: This is probably the most inane, pigheaded post I've ever seen on this forum. The people who run BH are some of the most honest businessmen I've ever encountered. I don't subscribe fully to any god, but if there is such an entity, I'm sure she frowns upon anyone who would discriminate against another because of their beliefs. Such nonsense. I agree. All women I meet are gods. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
At 4:10 PM -0400 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella wrote: Is it at all difficult to select and print only those negatives that you find acceptable? No. -- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. “ He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores
RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Since you won't allow such persons to even make 10-20% profit on a sale so they can make payroll or buy groceries, I wonder... Would you help one change a flat tire? What if they were on the way to a synagogue? If there house were on fire, would you warn them? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
More slander here, too, I see. In regard to the substance of your comments, I note: you choose to buy the bill of goods sold to you by media knaves, politicians, and textbooks. In America, and in many other nations, this is your your right. I choose to investigate the facts for myself, and come to an informed conclusion about what you call war and persecution. Did not someone once say that history is determined more by those who write it than anything else? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, Your position is rather extreem. God protect me from people like you who know the 'right'. So much war and persecution can be blamed on this. Regards, Bob S On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am pigheaded? I have used no such derogatory language. All I did was respond to a post, and state my position. I put forth no ad hominem attacks, but you clearly have. What kind of country (and world) are we living in these days? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably the most inane, pigheaded post I've ever seen on this forum. The people who run BH are some of the most honest businessmen I've ever encountered. I don't subscribe fully to any god, but if there is such an entity, I'm sure she frowns upon anyone who would discriminate against another because of their beliefs. Such nonsense. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being Christian. Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your purchases. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being Christian. Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your purchases. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some
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Glen, Nobody is slandering anybody here or blaspheming. See my post again. It is a simple comment and a wish for recognition of my rights to hold a different opinion than yours without holy war. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More slander here, too, I see. In regard to the substance of your comments, I note: you choose to buy the bill of goods sold to you by media knaves, politicians, and textbooks. In America, and in many other nations, this is your your right. I choose to investigate the facts for myself, and come to an informed conclusion about what you call war and persecution. Did not someone once say that history is determined more by those who write it than anything else? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, Your position is rather extreem. God protect me from people like you who know the 'right'. So much war and persecution can be blamed on this. Regards, Bob S On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the
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Where are you getting this? I never said that BH, or anyone else, should be denied the means of subsistence. Again, all I said is that I choose not to support them. Like some who choose to take a stand for the environment, or for politician so and so, or for proposition x-y-z, I choose to take a stand for Christ. I am well aware of Red China's doings, and, no, you will find very, very little in my house that has the Made in China designation. Again, I do what I could. What do you do you? What type of research have you undertaken? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Tom C wrote: I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being Christian. Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your purchases. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. “ He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other
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Reading what has been written already, I knew this smear would come. Can any of you who have responded thus address the matter with reason and discernment? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Bob W wrote: Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro-abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call
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Where are you getting this? When did I say that you are blaspheming? You are the one that censured my post, and asked for protection from people like me. What kind of meaning is present here, Bob S.? Who are people like [me]? Hmm...sounds like a bigoted remark. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, Nobody is slandering anybody here or blaspheming. See my post again. It is a simple comment and a wish for recognition of my rights to hold a different opinion than yours without holy war. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More slander here, too, I see. In regard to the substance of your comments, I note: you choose to buy the bill of goods sold to you by media knaves, politicians, and textbooks. In America, and in many other nations, this is your your right. I choose to investigate the facts for myself, and come to an informed conclusion about what you call war and persecution. Did not someone once say that history is determined more by those who write it than anything else? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, Your position is rather extreem. God protect me from people like you who know the 'right'. So much war and persecution can be blamed on this. Regards, Bob S On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro- abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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I apologize for the typos. This post should read: Where are you getting this? I never said that BH, or anyone else, should be denied the means of subsistence. Again, all I said is that I choose not to support them. Like some who choose to take a stand for the environment, or for politician so and so, or for proposition x-y-z, I choose to take a stand for Christ. I am well aware of Red China's doings, and, no, you will find very, very little in my house that has the Made in China designation. Again, I do what I could. What do you do? What type of research have you undertaken? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Tom C wrote: I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being Christian. Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your purchases. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. “ He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
I see you employ the reductio ad absurdum here. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Tom C wrote: Since you won't allow such persons to even make 10-20% profit on a sale so they can make payroll or buy groceries, I wonder... Would you help one change a flat tire? What if they were on the way to a synagogue? If there house were on fire, would you warn them? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. “ He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro- abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do
RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Walmart Legal here. We respectfully request, that since this thread will be archived, for perpetuity, that our name be removed from it's subject line. Thank you. Tom C. :-) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:05:09 +0100 Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson
Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Research on what? The second greatest commandment is to Love your neighbor as yourself. If you think that not purchasing from a business solely because it has Jewish proprietors has a meaningful effect, then you also must logically realize what that effect is. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:37:00 -0400 I apologize for the typos. This post should read: Where are you getting this? I never said that BH, or anyone else, should be denied the means of subsistence. Again, all I said is that I choose not to support them. Like some who choose to take a stand for the environment, or for politician so and so, or for proposition x-y-z, I choose to take a stand for Christ. I am well aware of Red China's doings, and, no, you will find very, very little in my house that has the Made in China designation. Again, I do what I could. What do you do? What type of research have you undertaken? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Tom C wrote: I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being Christian. Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your purchases. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which
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Cotty wrote: On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella, discombobulated, unleashed: and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). Does that include Juniper bushes? Wouldn't bother me, but I'm not much of a gin drinker. Er, sorry. Too late :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey, in line with the original topic, I brought some Ektachrome tungsten film to Walgreens to have it mailed away to be developed, and wherever on earth they sent it, they screwed it up royally. rg2 On 10/10/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walmart Legal here. We respectfully request, that since this thread will be archived, for perpetuity, that our name be removed from it's subject line. Thank you. Tom C. :-) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:05:09 +0100 Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done
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I don't think I'm the one being absurd here. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:42:55 -0400 I see you employ the reductio ad absurdum here. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Tom C wrote: Since you won't allow such persons to even make 10-20% profit on a sale so they can make payroll or buy groceries, I wonder... Would you help one change a flat tire? What if they were on the way to a synagogue? If there house were on fire, would you warn them? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance
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Religion is not a matter of reason. Religious people often use the tactic you've used below, which Daniel Dennett has described as playing tennis with the net down for one player. On one side the religious appeal to faith, which is by definition irrational. Yet when the irreligious mock them, they demand 'reason and discernment'! Har! I wish you a harvest of turds, my bigoted chum! -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 23:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Reading what has been written already, I knew this smear would come. Can any of you who have responded thus address the matter with reason and discernment? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Bob W wrote: Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so
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Since this discussion has clearly degenerated, I second Rebekah's and Tom's appeals to abandon this discussion. Even though some of you hurled some rather harsh, untrue, and uncalled-for remarks in my direction, I hold no ill sentiments toward you. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Bob W wrote: Religion is not a matter of reason. Religious people often use the tactic you've used below, which Daniel Dennett has described as playing tennis with the net down for one player. On one side the religious appeal to faith, which is by definition irrational. Yet when the irreligious mock them, they demand 'reason and discernment'! Har! I wish you a harvest of turds, my bigoted chum! -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 23:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Reading what has been written already, I knew this smear would come. Can any of you who have responded thus address the matter with reason and discernment? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Bob W wrote: Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to patronize BH. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not to patronize them. However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and His Church has nothing to do with making friends. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us search there for Our Lord's edifying words: Do not think that I am come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but the sword (Mt 10:34), He who is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30), and Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up (Mt 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt. 5:45). To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making friends. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other
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On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 09:47 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: You seem to be painting all Jewish people with the same broad brush. Probably thinks all Muslims are terrorists too. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have already expressed my waning interest in continuing this discussion, as no one has shown any knowledge of, or familiarity with, the matter in question. These will be my final remarks on the matter. Perhaps they will help to clarify the issue. Suppose that someone wrote a book that declares that one's father was a liar and a sorcerer, and that he got what he deserved when he was violently murdered, and, finally, that he is presently burning in Hell in hot excrement. Further, let us say that this same book declares that one's mother was a whore. Do you think one would feel motivated to purchase something from someone who believes and upholds the teachings of this book? Read the Talmud. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 10:08 AM 11/10/2007, Christian wrote: David Savage wrote: At 09:47 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: You seem to be painting all Jewish people with the same broad brush. Probably thinks all Muslims are terrorists too. You mean they aren't? GUNS! ABORTION! HITLER! ATHEISM! I don't think so. Ok, this thread should be cooked now. :-) Ahhh nuts... Damn it Christian (the person, not the religion), it was just starting to get interesting. Christian -- sorry 'bout the name... We all have our cross to bare :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Were you Brad Dobo in another life? On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote: More slander here, too, I see. In regard to the substance of your comments, I note: you choose to buy the bill of goods sold to you by media knaves, politicians, and textbooks. In America, and in many other nations, this is your your right. I choose to investigate the facts for myself, and come to an informed conclusion about what you call war and persecution. Did not someone once say that history is determined more by those who write it than anything else? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, Your position is rather extreem. God protect me from people like you who know the 'right'. So much war and persecution can be blamed on this. Regards, Bob S On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro- abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the
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I would highly suggest not basing your decisions off the ravings of one of the world's more notorious Holocaust deniers. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You seem to be painting all Jewish people with the same broad brush. Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:47:25 -0400 In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: At 09:47 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: You seem to be painting all Jewish people with the same broad brush. Probably thinks all Muslims are terrorists too. You mean they aren't? GUNS! ABORTION! HITLER! ATHEISM! Ok, this thread should be cooked now. :-) Christian -- sorry 'bout the name... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You slandered a people and a faith. You preached anti-Semitic nonsense. You're worse than pigheaded. By the way, some of our most valued members are Jewish, so if you practice what you preach, you would have nothing to do with us. Perhaps you should go now? Paul On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote: I am pigheaded? I have used no such derogatory language. All I did was respond to a post, and state my position. I put forth no ad hominem attacks, but you clearly have. What kind of country (and world) are we living in these days? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably the most inane, pigheaded post I've ever seen on this forum. The people who run BH are some of the most honest businessmen I've ever encountered. I don't subscribe fully to any god, but if there is such an entity, I'm sure she frowns upon anyone who would discriminate against another because of their beliefs. Such nonsense. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note of the subject, I will explain my position with regard to BH. I am familiar with BH's reputation for customer service. My avoidance of BH et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based businesses. My avoidance of businesses such as BH is founded strictly upon my religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support those whom I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. The Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid supporting those who honor the Talmud. I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that fund Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am opposed to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, as much as possible here so as to highlight the realities of any boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. Antoninus Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. One must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson Johnson (a pro- abort firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic products, some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically possible--what Orsini and others call a virtual boycott--and I leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Adam... Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just want to make sure of this. Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of stock on the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the R280 is probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular New York camera stores (BH, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not purchase it from these stores. FWIW, BH is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more than I should have with them over the last few years and have received nothing but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has been within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I had a question for them they replied very promptly with the information I requested. You really can't go wrong with BH. I've had the same sort of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo related from the guys in New Yawk. BH has the R280 in stock at the same price as Newegg. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please
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- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) Walmart Legal here. We respectfully request, that since this thread will be archived, for perpetuity, that our name be removed from it's subject line. Thank you. I was just thinking that they will probably be very happy with this discussion being attached to their name. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Potential, terrorists, but then all Christians are potential bank robbers... David Savage wrote: At 09:47 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: You seem to be painting all Jewish people with the same broad brush. Probably thinks all Muslims are terrorists too. Cheers, Dave -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am sorely tempted to respond to this thread (the religious half of it, anyway, as I left the Religion of Film last summer after being molested by too many lab techs), but as an atheist, I doubt my arguments will be met with open minds by those involved in the discussion. I instead request that we leave religion, faith, Gaia, Jesus, God, Santa Claus, Buddha, Yoda, Satan, Mohammed, Steve from Accounting and other potentially nonexistant entities at the doorstep when entering this forum. There is nothing to be gained from fighting over such things on a photography mailing list. John (recovering catholic) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let's put it this way. If a person of Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Protestant, agnostic, athiest, whatever faith thought, You know, I'm not going to give Glen any help on his photographic questions because he's a Catholic, and I don't want to support a Catholic because I disagree with them and they are doing the works of the Devil, how would it feel? One step futher, you make your living at photography and because of your religious beliefs, others don't give you leads or purchase your work, which has absolutely nothing to do with your faith. Whether you individually choose to purchase from BH or not, has almost nil effect on their bottom line and they probably don't care. However, the world is made up of individuals. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Glen, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE! What a sorry excuse for human being you are. I'll be happy to block your posts now. Get out of our neighborhood! Bob S. On 10/10/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my last post, I forgot to add this link: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html This should also help. Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Savage wrote: On 10/11/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their doctrines or deeds. Your digging yourself into a bigger bigger hole and reinforcing my opinions of religion mate. Do us all a favour, pull you bottom lip up over your head and swallow. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 10/10/2007 8:43:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glen, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE! What a sorry excuse for human being you are. I'll be happy to block your posts now. Get out of our neighborhood! Bob S. === Ditto. The ultimate in spam. Now blocked. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded)
Since we've been tossing around the Wal-Mart name a bit, and since I've been doing some scanning recently, this has been on my mind and I thought I'd share (with the other 2 of you who are still shooting film). When I was working in Hagerstown, MD I brought my E-6 to a little independent shop called FirstLook Photo. They had a 2 hour slide service than ran about $8. Drop off before my shift, pick up during lunch. It was wonderful and well worth the price. The finished product was mounted in plastic and filed in archival pages punched for 3-ring binders. They also still did BW in house. Not having the volume to process it every day, the store owner would do it himself once per week. I think he just liked black and white processing and wasn't too terribly interested in making money from it. After moving north a bit, FirstLook became inconvenient. So I started looking around for another E-6 processor. I tried three different small shops. None of them did it on site, turn around was at least a week, and the end result was variable. Prices ranged from $8 to $12 per roll. So I decided to try Wal-Mart. In case you don't know, Wal-Mart sends everything that's not 1-hour C-41 to Fuji. As I have had good luck with Fuji's processing in the past, via mailers, I put a few rolls in Wal-Mart's send-out bin. Success! About a week, quality was consistent, and the price tag was $4.88. Turns out, sometime between a year ago and now, Fuji closed their E-6 facility and contracted with Dwayne's. I like Dwayne's. A lot. They do good work. Bottom line, Wally World send out goes to Dwayne's. 36 exposure 35mm (E-6 and Kodachrome), 120 or 220 E-6 is $4.88 per roll, and it usually takes 7 to 10 days. I'm a happy camper. FWIW - there are a couple of pro labs in the area, but I haven't tried them. They cater mostly to wedding photographers and don't seem to have much interest in developing a roll or two for guys like me. They're also considerably more expensive. I suppose I'd use them if I was being paid for it, but for the amateur crap I shoot, Wal-Mart is fine. Thanks for listening. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
