Re: peso - perfect pizza
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. ++ I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a few of your points: I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and exploitation. We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell. We just take it. whether they like it or not. Willing to give up their milk? What makes you say that? We keep them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never dry up. That can't be much fun. Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure. If they don't, they buy formula. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - perfect pizza
An observation: My daughter is in the Peace Corps in Benin. She gets to see a more traditional version of husbandry than the first world assembly bovine assembly line. Most of the milk there is from goats. The goats are protected and given safe space in which to feed. There sit on Tracie's porch and on occasion she found one sleeping in here bed. It would be no big deal to run away and they don't. Given the lack of speech, this is the best you can do for consent. Of course, the locals cheerfully kill these animals for dinner when needed. This is not a moral issue for them, just the food chain. Over here in North America, the whole process is so industrialized that it's hard for most of us to see this as any part of nature. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:38 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. ++ I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a few of your points: I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and exploitation. We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell. We just take it. whether they like it or not. Willing to give up their milk? What makes you say that? We keep them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never dry up. That can't be much fun. Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure. If they don't, they buy formula. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - perfect pizza
No predator asks permission of the prey, On 11/17/2010 7:38 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. ++ I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a few of your points: I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and exploitation. We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell. We just take it. whether they like it or not. Willing to give up their milk? What makes you say that? We keep them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never dry up. That can't be much fun. Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure. If they don't, they buy formula. cheers, frank -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Frank, I support your determination to follow a vegan lifestyle. Keep up the good work. It helps keep down the price of steak . . . G Dan On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:38 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. ++ I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a few of your points: I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and exploitation. We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell. We just take it. whether they like it or not. Willing to give up their milk? What makes you say that? We keep them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never dry up. That can't be much fun. Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure. If they don't, they buy formula. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Oh man, that ~does~ look like good pizza. One of the things I miss most about being vegan is a hot slice of pepperoni pizza with extra cheese from either Massimo's or Bitondo's in Toronto's Little Italy. Grace's looks like one of those. Hot, gooey and messy, but delicious! Lovely shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Oh man, that ~does~ look like good pizza. One of the things I miss most about being vegan is a hot slice of pepperoni pizza with extra cheese from either Massimo's or Bitondo's in Toronto's Little Italy. Grace's looks like one of those. Hot, gooey and messy, but delicious! you could have one of those and still be a vegan. It's all a question of relaxed taxonomy. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 15, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Bob W wrote: I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Oh man, that ~does~ look like good pizza. One of the things I miss most about being vegan is a hot slice of pepperoni pizza with extra cheese from either Massimo's or Bitondo's in Toronto's Little Italy. Grace's looks like one of those. Hot, gooey and messy, but delicious! you could have one of those and still be a vegan. It's all a question of relaxed taxonomy. I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. Paul B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/14/2010 5:14 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: Thanks Boris. Grace's palate is very limited at the moment: pizza, chicken nuggets, hot dogs, macaroni and cheese, plain white rice, peanut butter, strawberries and apples. That's about it. But she does eat a lot of fruit, so I guess we should be thankful for that. Paul Gosh... Chicken nuggets, hot dogs, peanut butter... /shudders/ Well, as long as the little ones eat... But may be you could gently introduce her to the variety of foods and tastes... May be she tries something and actually likes it... Oh well, I know, I sound awfully typical like a dad whose kids are 2 and 9... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now thats a look Dave On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:36 -0500, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- The owners of the pizza place should talk to you about using that photo in their advertising! Great shot - a look of pure ecstasy. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Brian. The pizza is made in a wood fired oven and is pretty darn good. Paul On Nov 14, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Brian Walters wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:36 -0500, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- The owners of the pizza place should talk to you about using that photo in their advertising! Great shot - a look of pure ecstasy. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, Galia's gonna bake us something for coming Friday... ;-) Lovely photo. Sometimes one has to take extreme measures, even take their (grand) child to pizza to make them eat ;-). K-5 proves to be a blast in your capable hands, Paul. Boris On 11/14/2010 4:36 AM, paul stenquist wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Boris. Grace's palate is very limited at the moment: pizza, chicken nuggets, hot dogs, macaroni and cheese, plain white rice, peanut butter, strawberries and apples. That's about it. But she does eat a lot of fruit, so I guess we should be thankful for that. Paul On Nov 14, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Well, Galia's gonna bake us something for coming Friday... ;-) Lovely photo. Sometimes one has to take extreme measures, even take their (grand) child to pizza to make them eat ;-). K-5 proves to be a blast in your capable hands, Paul. Boris On 11/14/2010 4:36 AM, paul stenquist wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Can't afford a K-5 but you're inspiring me towards a nice slice of Za... =) 2010/11/14 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net: This K-5 is looking like a speed demon. Thanks for all of the examples of what it can do at high ISO. Jeffery On Nov 13, 2010, at 8:36 PM, paul stenquist wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This K-5 is looking like a speed demon. Thanks for all of the examples of what it can do at high ISO. Jeffery On Nov 13, 2010, at 8:36 PM, paul stenquist wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want pizza. ;-) Looks like a good day at the pizzeria On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: This K-5 is looking like a speed demon. Thanks for all of the examples of what it can do at high ISO. Jeffery On Nov 13, 2010, at 8:36 PM, paul stenquist wrote: K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your granddaughter appears to feel about pizza the same way I do. 8-) Jack --- On Sat, 11/13/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: peso - perfect pizza To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 6:36 PM K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - perfect pizza
Fun! An more impressive K5 results! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: peso - perfect pizza K-5 and DA* 60-250, ISO 3200 I've shot pics in this pizza place before. Always bounced flash off the ceiling. With the K-5, I just went with the available light. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11944334 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
