Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
Feroze, that may be system-dependent. WindowsXP recent burns to CD-R are marked read-only, and are very resistant to deletion! I haven't yet tried every technique, but I do tend now to ensure I have everything copied in one go. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Hi John, You can burn a CDR as many times as there is space on it for new files. I send files for print to the lab and bureau everyday and often have up to 15 sessions on one disk. I have found that the better quality disks alllow more re-writes though. I stick with verbatim (Super AZO) and the Sony's and have pretty good results. And I can delete the previous session so that only the files I want them to print shows up. Feroze - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! You can use CD-R or CD-RW on these burners - CD-R's tend to be good for only one burn though, whereas CD-RW can be used many times.
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
I agree with William. If you have an older computer, it helps to defrag first. Don't run any other programs the first time you burn to CD-R, and if it fails, adjust the write speed to a s_l_o_w_e_r setting. William Kane wrote: Ann, I don't have time to get too deep into this, but this will start you off: You can drag and drop if the AHEAD software is installed, but the catch is this: You need to be using a CD-RW disc (not a CD-R). Simply put the CD-RW into the cd-recorder and then drag and drop files and folders into the cd drive icon. If you want to use CD-R's, you need to use NERO. Open up NERO and a wizard should automatically open, asking you questions . . . choose new CD, data CD, and then you'll have 2 sets of file trees. One will be on the left, and be empty, and the other will be on the right, and have listings for all the files in your computer. The one on the left represents what you plan to burn, so drag and drop things where you want them. When you've got the files you want set in there, just hit the 'burn now' icon . . . IL Bill Ann Sanfedele wrote: A friend installed it for me. It is there, I can read stuff from the D; drive that used to be my E: drive, I can read Cd's inserted in the new CD-ROM drive. But the software has me totally befuddled. Friend who installed the drive left town (literally) before we actually got to try ot burn something. I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. OF course I want the burner to make CD's to send to people - as a way of displaying my photos. I also thought it would be nice to make screen saver slide shows to sell and/or give to friends. I'm a dunce on this stuff. I thought I could wing it. The software that came with the burner is called NERO (hehe) and AHEAD software. Acrobat is included, in case you don't have it, to read the manual. I got this from office max for virtually nothing -- $70 coming back to me in rebates. So any ideas? I felt a bit less like an idiot when another friend told me of two computer savvy folks of his acquaintance (actually his son and his brother) complained of being quite confused by the software. I don't want to burn music, I don't want to do a video, all I want is to get files on a disk to back up my hard drive, to show people images, etc. I had thought that a cd could be used just like a floppy but if there is software around that will make it behave like that I'd sure like to know. annsan the easily confused
semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
A friend installed it for me. It is there, I can read stuff from the D; drive that used to be my E: drive, I can read Cd's inserted in the new CD-ROM drive. But the software has me totally befuddled. Friend who installed the drive left town (literally) before we actually got to try ot burn something. I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. OF course I want the burner to make CD's to send to people - as a way of displaying my photos. I also thought it would be nice to make screen saver slide shows to sell and/or give to friends. I'm a dunce on this stuff. I thought I could wing it. The software that came with the burner is called NERO (hehe) and AHEAD software. Acrobat is included, in case you don't have it, to read the manual. I got this from office max for virtually nothing -- $70 coming back to me in rebates. So any ideas? I felt a bit less like an idiot when another friend told me of two computer savvy folks of his acquaintance (actually his son and his brother) complained of being quite confused by the software. I don't want to burn music, I don't want to do a video, all I want is to get files on a disk to back up my hard drive, to show people images, etc. I had thought that a cd could be used just like a floppy but if there is software around that will make it behave like that I'd sure like to know. annsan the easily confused
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
You can indeed. Ann, the GUI should be able to walk you through itself. As another message indicated just open Nero and tell it to create a Data CD (as opposed to a music CD). From there you may drag-and-drop, or double-click a folder or file, or click a folder or file and click Add in the menu at the top or whatever. I use CD Creator where I click the folder to highlight it, then click Add and it shows up on the to-be-created CD portion of the screen. When I'm all done, I click Create CD and voilá! It's done. Check the help file, too - it should walk you through it. And always check your CD when it's done before sending it off, in case corruption set it. Maris William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Thanks, Bill you make it look pretty straight forward. - I'll print this all out and give it a try . It does sound like I can't just copy entire folders, though. sob, sob. :) You can, or at least should be able to. Be warned, CD's don't like a lot of levels of directories. Best bet is as few sub directories as possible. I wouldn't put more than a couple of directory levels past the root onto a CD. William Robb
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
For a CD to be able to be read by any other CD player, the CD has to be made in disk at once (or what ever Nero calls it, you don't want packet writting mode). The basic concept for doing what you want to do is: create a data CD (should be a menu option) then you drag the files you want copied to the cd using some sort of GUI then you tell the program to start burning the CD After you do it once you'll go, This is easy! BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend installed it for me. It is there, I can read stuff from the D; drive that used to be my E: drive, I can read Cd's inserted in the new CD-ROM drive. But the software has me totally befuddled. Friend who installed the drive left town (literally) before we actually got to try ot burn something. I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. OF course I want the burner to make CD's to send to people - as a way of displaying my photos. I also thought it would be nice to make screen saver slide shows to sell and/or give to friends. I'm a dunce on this stuff. I thought I could wing it. The software that came with the burner is called NERO (hehe) and AHEAD software. Acrobat is included, in case you don't have it, to read the manual. I got this from office max for virtually nothing -- $70 coming back to me in rebates. So any ideas? I felt a bit less like an idiot when another friend told me of two computer savvy folks of his acquaintance (actually his son and his brother) complained of being quite confused by the software. I don't want to burn music, I don't want to do a video, all I want is to get files on a disk to back up my hard drive, to show people images, etc. I had thought that a cd could be used just like a floppy but if there is software around that will make it behave like that I'd sure like to know. annsan the easily confused
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
The version of Direct CD I have once it has formated the disk treats a CD-RW just like a floppy. But, it takes about two hours to completely formate the disk. It does allow you to start writing before it is completely formated, but there are limitations to that. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Anyway, today is spoken for with other chores. I does appear that I can't just treat a CD like a floppy on the A drive though. The really bad thing is my friend unhooked my D drive so I cant backup stuff to the zip nor can I get at what Ive already backed up... A big misunderstainding on my part was the idea that I could use a cd as a way to backup directories, as well as making discs to send out. Ignore the naysayers, you can do all that. It may not work as efficently as youw ish, but you can do it anyway. In order to write to the drive as if it were a froppy, you need to install a packetwriting program (I think that's the term for it, its been awhile since I paid attention). The one I can name off the top of my head is DirectCD, but judging from the price you paid, I bet you just bought a CenDyne drive last weekend, which as you mentioned comes with Nero. One of the programs that was optional in teh setup was a packetwriting program which works like DirectCD. I can't tell you how that one works, but I can tell you that DirectCD used to wait for you to put a CD in, and it would just mount it up as a regular drive. You copy, it writes. I don't think it was really all that efficent, but that's how it did its job. Of course, with a once-writable, you filled the disk and moved on. With re-writes, you'd have to erase teh whole thing. ITs not nice and selective, like a froppy or a zip drive. Now, you can just put a CD in, start Nero Express and launch the wizard to create a data CD. Copy your stuff over (again, I can't speak for Nero Express, I used to use EZ CD Creator from Adaptec, or Toast for the Mac), which will probably be a matter of drag and drop. That bar on the bottom? It tells you how much space you have left on your disc. When you fill it up, you just hit the record button. When you write a disc, you can: Write a session, leave disc open: You can keep writing stuff to the disc, but yes, some drives won't like an open disc. Some won't mind, either. Write a session, close disc: WEll, like teh above, but it closes the disc. Just about all drives have no problem with that. Disc at once: Writes the data, closes the disc, never turns the laser off teh whole way. More or less like writing a session, closing the disc, but there's no gaps between tracks...which really only becomes an issue when you're recording music (or, perhaps, dealing with antique cd readers). When you're backing up your files, just write sessions and leave the disc open. If you're sending a CD to a friend, just disc-at-once or close the disc when done. Unless, again, they have an ancient CD-rom drive, there should be no problems. Finally, giant directory structures, etc? Yeah, no doubt CDRW drives vomit on that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be concerned with it..unless you have incredibly nested directories, which probably does violate some sort of iso9660 rule. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/03
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
Hi John, I'm running XP as well, but I do it on Nero 5.5. 1.8. Its not a real deletion btw, if I go through the old sessions the info is still there. I really do it because lab staff tend not to follow print instructions and print everything I have on the disk. What did you try it on? Feroze - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Feroze, that may be system-dependent. WindowsXP recent burns to CD-R are marked read-only, and are very resistant to deletion! I haven't yet tried every technique, but I do tend now to ensure I have everything copied in one go. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Hi John, You can burn a CDR as many times as there is space on it for new files. I send files for print to the lab and bureau everyday and often have up to 15 sessions on one disk. I have found that the better quality disks alllow more re-writes though. I stick with verbatim (Super AZO) and the Sony's and have pretty good results. And I can delete the previous session so that only the files I want them to print shows up. Feroze - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! You can use CD-R or CD-RW on these burners - CD-R's tend to be good for only one burn though, whereas CD-RW can be used many times.
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. Ann, Burning CD's is essentially a two-step process. First, you tell the burning software which files to burn. Second, you push a go button, and all the selected files are etched in one go. I think most of the software calls the first step to create a project. If you run into wizards or quick-select tasks, then look for an alternative like create a data CD. If you use WinXP pro, everything you need is built in. Just mark the files you want and paste them to the CD folder. The files will appear in the CD floder in a washed-out colour. Then right-click over the files and select Write these files to CD. hth, Jostein
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
Ann, I also have Win98, though with Hebrew support for obvious reasons. Naturally, it should make no difference w.r.t. writing CDs. I've been told by my brother who is very good at managing Windows and assembling computers grin that you could set up your Nero so that a properly prepared CD would indeed behave like a big diskette. I've been also told that this may make Windows rather unstable. So I eventually decided to stay away from that. Instead, I am using several CD-RWs... Boris
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Thanks, Bill you make it look pretty straight forward. - I'll print this all out and give it a try . It does sound like I can't just copy entire folders, though. sob, sob. :) You can, or at least should be able to. Be warned, CD's don't like a lot of levels of directories. Best bet is as few sub directories as possible. I wouldn't put more than a couple of directory levels past the root onto a CD. William Robb
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
Thanks, Bill you make it look pretty straight forward. - I'll print this all out and give it a try . It does sound like I can't just copy entire folders, though. sob, sob. :) ann William Kane wrote: Ann, I don't have time to get too deep into this, but this will start you off: You can drag and drop if the AHEAD software is installed, but the catch is this: You need to be using a CD-RW disc (not a CD-R). Simply put the CD-RW into the cd-recorder and then drag and drop files and folders into the cd drive icon. If you want to use CD-R's, you need to use NERO. Open up NERO and a wizard should automatically open, asking you questions . . . choose new CD, data CD, and then you'll have 2 sets of file trees. One will be on the left, and be empty, and the other will be on the right, and have listings for all the files in your computer. The one on the left represents what you plan to burn, so drag and drop things where you want them. When you've got the files you want set in there, just hit the 'burn now' icon . . . IL Bill Ann Sanfedele wrote: A friend installed it for me. It is there, I can read stuff from the D; drive that used to be my E: drive, I can read Cd's inserted in the new CD-ROM drive. But the software has me totally befuddled. Friend who installed the drive left town (literally) before we actually got to try ot burn something. I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. OF course I want the burner to make CD's to send to people - as a way of displaying my photos. I also thought it would be nice to make screen saver slide shows to sell and/or give to friends. I'm a dunce on this stuff. I thought I could wing it. The software that came with the burner is called NERO (hehe) and AHEAD software. Acrobat is included, in case you don't have it, to read the manual. I got this from office max for virtually nothing -- $70 coming back to me in rebates. So any ideas? I felt a bit less like an idiot when another friend told me of two computer savvy folks of his acquaintance (actually his son and his brother) complained of being quite confused by the software. I don't want to burn music, I don't want to do a video, all I want is to get files on a disk to back up my hard drive, to show people images, etc. I had thought that a cd could be used just like a floppy but if there is software around that will make it behave like that I'd sure like to know. annsan the easily confused -- William Kane http://www.KaneScience.com IABT Advisory Board Member http://www.iabt.net Tinley Park High School 6111 W. 175th Street Tinley Park, IL 60477 V: 708/532-1900 ext 3909 http://www.bhsd228.com
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
I'm with Bill on this one. I found that my original burner (now superseded with a new one) would baulk at either a large number of files, or large-sized files, and I had to do the copying in small bites. If you're using XP, don't forget that you may need to enable burning by right-clicking on the drive letter in Wiondows Explorer, right-clicking on Properties, then working through the properties until you find the tab that Enables burning on this drive. You can also set the appropriate burn-speed here. You can use CD-R or CD-RW on these burners - CD-R's tend to be good for only one burn though, whereas CD-RW can be used many times. XP Pro has the advantage that burning is built into the system using software purchased from Roxio, who bought Adaptec, and your burner is treated just like a floppy - or any other type of removable storage. One quick way to copy files and folders is to position yourself on the parent folder in WE: if you want to copy an entire folder, highlight it in the right pane and right-click and drag it to the burner letter in the left-hand pane: release the mouse button, and then click on Copy Here (or even quicker, Ctrl-C on the source, Ctrl-V on the destination). For a bunch of files, I use the Ctrl-A technique for selecting all the files in the folder, then Ctrl-click to deselect those I don't want to copy, then again Ctrl-C Ctrl-V I've only just started using Nero Express, but I am impressed with it so far - a little easier to use than Easy CD Creator, which is in widespread use, and Easy Cd has the problem of using a non-standard format, and I have had problems with recovering data from CD's burned using it. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but Help! Thanks, Bill you make it look pretty straight forward. - I'll print this all out and give it a try . It does sound like I can't just copy entire folders, though. sob, sob. :) You can, or at least should be able to. Be warned, CD's don't like a lot of levels of directories. Best bet is as few sub directories as possible. I wouldn't put more than a couple of directory levels past the root onto a CD. William Robb
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
Ann, I don't have time to get too deep into this, but this will start you off: You can drag and drop if the AHEAD software is installed, but the catch is this: You need to be using a CD-RW disc (not a CD-R). Simply put the CD-RW into the cd-recorder and then drag and drop files and folders into the cd drive icon. If you want to use CD-R's, you need to use NERO. Open up NERO and a wizard should automatically open, asking you questions . . . choose new CD, data CD, and then you'll have 2 sets of file trees. One will be on the left, and be empty, and the other will be on the right, and have listings for all the files in your computer. The one on the left represents what you plan to burn, so drag and drop things where you want them. When you've got the files you want set in there, just hit the 'burn now' icon . . . IL Bill Ann Sanfedele wrote: A friend installed it for me. It is there, I can read stuff from the D; drive that used to be my E: drive, I can read Cd's inserted in the new CD-ROM drive. But the software has me totally befuddled. Friend who installed the drive left town (literally) before we actually got to try ot burn something. I'm an old dos girl, I thought you could just sort of say copy blah blah .jpg e: (wrong) or at least save as from photo deluxe. OF course I want the burner to make CD's to send to people - as a way of displaying my photos. I also thought it would be nice to make screen saver slide shows to sell and/or give to friends. I'm a dunce on this stuff. I thought I could wing it. The software that came with the burner is called NERO (hehe) and AHEAD software. Acrobat is included, in case you don't have it, to read the manual. I got this from office max for virtually nothing -- $70 coming back to me in rebates. So any ideas? I felt a bit less like an idiot when another friend told me of two computer savvy folks of his acquaintance (actually his son and his brother) complained of being quite confused by the software. I don't want to burn music, I don't want to do a video, all I want is to get files on a disk to back up my hard drive, to show people images, etc. I had thought that a cd could be used just like a floppy but if there is software around that will make it behave like that I'd sure like to know. annsan the easily confused -- William Kane http://www.KaneScience.com IABT Advisory Board Member http://www.iabt.net Tinley Park High School 6111 W. 175th Street Tinley Park, IL 60477 V: 708/532-1900 ext 3909 http://www.bhsd228.com
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Anyway, today is spoken for with other chores. I does appear that I can't just treat a CD like a floppy on the A drive though. The really bad thing is my friend unhooked my D drive so I cant backup stuff to the zip nor can I get at what Ive already backed up... A big misunderstainding on my part was the idea that I could use a cd as a way to backup directories, as well as making discs to send out. Ignore the naysayers, you can do all that. It may not work as efficently as youw ish, but you can do it anyway. In order to write to the drive as if it were a froppy, you need to install a packetwriting program (I think that's the term for it, its been awhile since I paid attention). The one I can name off the top of my head is DirectCD, but judging from the price you paid, I bet you just bought a CenDyne drive last weekend, which as you mentioned comes with Nero. One of the programs that was optional in teh setup was a packetwriting program which works like DirectCD. I can't tell you how that one works, but I can tell you that DirectCD used to wait for you to put a CD in, and it would just mount it up as a regular drive. You copy, it writes. I don't think it was really all that efficent, but that's how it did its job. Of course, with a once-writable, you filled the disk and moved on. With re-writes, you'd have to erase teh whole thing. ITs not nice and selective, like a froppy or a zip drive. Now, you can just put a CD in, start Nero Express and launch the wizard to create a data CD. Copy your stuff over (again, I can't speak for Nero Express, I used to use EZ CD Creator from Adaptec, or Toast for the Mac), which will probably be a matter of drag and drop. That bar on the bottom? It tells you how much space you have left on your disc. When you fill it up, you just hit the record button. When you write a disc, you can: Write a session, leave disc open: You can keep writing stuff to the disc, but yes, some drives won't like an open disc. Some won't mind, either. Write a session, close disc: WEll, like teh above, but it closes the disc. Just about all drives have no problem with that. Disc at once: Writes the data, closes the disc, never turns the laser off teh whole way. More or less like writing a session, closing the disc, but there's no gaps between tracks...which really only becomes an issue when you're recording music (or, perhaps, dealing with antique cd readers). When you're backing up your files, just write sessions and leave the disc open. If you're sending a CD to a friend, just disc-at-once or close the disc when done. Unless, again, they have an ancient CD-rom drive, there should be no problems. Finally, giant directory structures, etc? Yeah, no doubt CDRW drives vomit on that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be concerned with it..unless you have incredibly nested directories, which probably does violate some sort of iso9660 rule. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: semi OT : I got a CD burner but, but, but.... Help!
On 6 Aug 2003 at 22:10, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Thanks, Bill you make it look pretty straight forward. - I'll print this all out and give it a try . It does sound like I can't just copy entire folders, though. sob, sob. :) The Basic process is; open a new project (file new, select type), drop files, subs to be copied, check that the compilation will fit the media and then select the left compilation file display and then open write dialogue (file, write CD), set you actions under the burn tab in the dialogue box then hit the write button on the right. Nero will allow you to drag a directory to the New compilation. Assuming that you have your windows in a vertical format (you can select the view format under Window in the menu) you can drag files or subs from either of the two right hand panes into either of the left hand panes. I'm running 5.5.10.42. It will let you know if the paths are too long or if file names are inappropriate unless you over-ride the checks in the Write CD dialogue window. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
