RE: [pinhole-discussion] new list moderator
Congratulations Guy! Great Choice guys... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Gregg Kemp Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:39 PM To: Pinhole Discussion List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new list moderator Hi all, I'm very pleased to announce that Guy Glorieux will be joining James Kellar and myself as a list moderator. Guy has provided a strong presence on the list for some time and is known by many of you in both on- and off-list discussion. I met Guy in Toronto a few years ago at a pinhole exhibition and symposium held there. We only talked briefly at that time, but I was impressed with his jovial personality. We kept in touch over time, but I never really got to know Guy until early this year when he joined the coordinating team for the first worldwide pinhole photography day. Guy was one of the main leaders in organizing and following through with pinhole day held this past spring. I don't think many people would believe how many hours Guy put into planning that event - much of it in the middle of the night for weeks on end! Guy has become a good friend and I'm glad he has let me twist his arm into helping moderate the list. Guy lives in Montreal, speaks French, English, and pinhole. If you haven't seen the on-line exhibit of his pinhole photos at http://www.???/exhibits/Glorieux/, you should be ashamed of yourself; his pinhole images are remarkable. I hope I haven't embarrassed him out of being a moderator. Welcome, Guy! Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] cheap press for relief printing
Yes, water-based inks work, but in that case you have to use a block made of something slightly absorbent that will hold the ink. In Japan, cherry wood was traditional (very expensive today), but any good wood will do. Surely there are other things that would be suitable, but metal plates (copper, brass, aluminum and zinc, among others can be used with oil-based inks), rubber, linoleum, etc. don't work with water-based inks. In my own work, I use combinations of wood and cardboard as the plates but use oil-based inks because the cardboard holds up better that way. Still interested to hear if anyone knows what kind of tonal range the oven cleaner method allows. Also interested in ongoing reports on the UV-sensitive resin emulsion developed in water that someone mentioned. I suspect these both require screens to get any kind of tonal range. Given the already highly contrasty nature of pinhole negtives in many cases, I wonder if this approach would yield good results very often, but who knows? For what it's worth, all the oil-based stuff can be done using relatively benign fuel oil (Japanese toyu--Ed help me if this is the wrong translation) as the solvent. It's not very volatile nor is it as carcinogenic as the stuff people often use (often benzene-rich). I'm very sensitive to solvents as well and this stuff is OK for me. The process is time-consuming, however. You either have the temperament for it or you don't. It can be tedious and messy--you're definitely right about that. Colin --- Gregory Parkinson g...@panix.com wrote: I love printing off of photo plates, but what I couldn't get into the was the prep and cleanup time for each print. Inking the plate - and then cleaning it for the next print - was a time-consuming and messy job that involved the use of lots of solvents. I didn't like breathing that stuff for so long. Can you use water-based inks for this process? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new list moderator
Great choice, Gregg. I'm very pleased to announce that Guy Glorieux will be joining James Kellar and myself as a list moderator. ... Welcome, Guy! good luck, Guy! regards from Brazil Ana Maria Schultze Sao Paulo - SP - Brasil - arte-educar-ow...@egroups.com arteeducad...@hotmail.com uin 1457876 Conheça a lista de discussão sobre arte-educação: http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/arte-educar Veja as mensagens já postadas em: http://www.eScribe.com/art/arte-educar/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole camera in any lang
muchas gracias, Guillermo! Jim - Original Message - From: Guillermo pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole camera in any lang - Original Message - From: Kosinski Family zin...@telenet.net How do you write pinhole camera and natural camera in Spanish? Pinhole camera would be: Camara Estenopeica and the literal translation for natural camera would be Camara Natural. Finally a question I can answer cathegorically! (I hope :-) Hasta luego, Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] new list moderator
Hi all, I'm very pleased to announce that Guy Glorieux will be joining James Kellar and myself as a list moderator. Guy has provided a strong presence on the list for some time and is known by many of you in both on- and off-list discussion. I met Guy in Toronto a few years ago at a pinhole exhibition and symposium held there. We only talked briefly at that time, but I was impressed with his jovial personality. We kept in touch over time, but I never really got to know Guy until early this year when he joined the coordinating team for the first worldwide pinhole photography day. Guy was one of the main leaders in organizing and following through with pinhole day held this past spring. I don't think many people would believe how many hours Guy put into planning that event - much of it in the middle of the night for weeks on end! Guy has become a good friend and I'm glad he has let me twist his arm into helping moderate the list. Guy lives in Montreal, speaks French, English, and pinhole. If you haven't seen the on-line exhibit of his pinhole photos at http://www.???/exhibits/Glorieux/, you should be ashamed of yourself; his pinhole images are remarkable. I hope I haven't embarrassed him out of being a moderator. Welcome, Guy! Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] Intaglio Pinhole printing Using Solar plates
No (oddly, perhaps) it doesn't. The paper is used just moist enough to soften the fibers. The pressure of the press is more than enough to force the ink into the paper despite the water. Colin Colin! Is there any inexpensive ways to do at least small Intaglio? I would like to try printing some pinhole positives using s9olar plates. there is a great book called Printmaking In The Sun, which explains how to make very easy and inexpensive Intaglio plates using photopolymer water developed plates. Unfortunately, I don't have a press. I to have a small 1 ton hand Arbour Press. The arbour hoes up and down. I wouldn't even mind making 3x3 intaglio prints. Thanks Mac
Re: [pinhole-discussion] cheap press for relief printing
I love printing off of photo plates, but what I couldn't get into the was the prep and cleanup time for each print. Inking the plate - and then cleaning it for the next print - was a time-consuming and messy job that involved the use of lots of solvents. I didn't like breathing that stuff for so long. Can you use water-based inks for this process? At 12:55 PM -0400 9/25/01, gina wrote: Dick Blick Art Supplies sells an old fashioned wringer type press for less than $200. Actually, I think it really is just a clothes wringer that they sell as a press. I bought mine about 10 years ago and it works great for relief printing, drypoint, monoprints, or anything else you would use an etching press for. Its only limitation is the size-the wringers will only accomodate up to 11 width but the length is not limited. I clamped it to an old table and use scraps of matboard to support everything as it goes through the wringer. Also used it to make polaroid transfers when I was too lazy to hand rub them. :0) www.dickblick.com Gina Bellando http://home.ix.netcom.com/~ginabell/index.html ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ --
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Oven cleaner
No (oddly, perhaps) it doesn't. The paper is used just moist enough to soften the fibers. The pressure of the press is more than enough to force the ink into the paper despite the water. Colin I have a question. If Paper is dampened w/ water, wouldn't that repel oil based ink? Thanks Mac ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
[pinhole-discussion] RE: oven cleaner
somehow i missed the post about an oven cleaner emulsion. i'd be curious to know what this is all about. /aaron
Re: [pinhole-discussion] self-intro/printmaking
- Original Message - From: Eric S. Theise mat...@cyberwerks.com I'm a sysadmin and web designer and yes I use vi Here is for all of you VI lovers: (will never do it again Gregg, I promise!) ADICTED TO VI You press the keys with no effect, Your mode is not correct. The screen blurs, your fingers shake; You forgot to press escape. Can't insert, can't delete, Cursor keys won't repeat. You try to quit, but can't leave, An extra bang is all you need. You think it's neat to type an a or an i-- Oh yeah? You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die You know you're gonna have to face it; You're addicted to vi! You edit files one at a time; That doesn't seem too out of line? You don't think of keys to bind-- A meta key would blow your mind. H, J, K, L? You're not annoyed? Expressions must be a Joy! Just press f, or is it t? Maybe n, or just g? Oh--You think it's neat to type an a or an i-- Oh yeah? You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die You know you're gonna have to face it; You're addicted to vi! Might as well face it, You're addicted to vi! You press the keys without effect, Your life is now a wreck. What a waste! Such a shame! And all you have is vi to blame. Oh--You think it's neat to type an a or an i-- Oh yeah? You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die You know you're gonna have to face it; You're addicted to vi! Might as well face it, You're addicted to vi! Copyright 1989, by Chuck Musciano. All Rights Reserved
[pinhole-discussion] Robert Mann exhibition in London
Hi all, For those interested in Robert Mann's work, he has a show in London at The Special Photographers Company gallery. The show is titled One off and you can see some of this work at: http://www.specialphotographers.com/gallery/exhibitions/robert_mann/robert_mann.html Very surreal, egnigmatic, somewhat reminiscent of Ralf Gibson's work. Don't miss it. Guy Glorieux Peace on earth to goodwill men and women
[pinhole-discussion] pinhole camera in any lang
Por favor, please refresh my memory. How do you write pinhole camera and natural camera in Spanish? How about some other languages? I'd like to share this information with my photo classes and my wife's elementary school students. Many Thanks, Jim K
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Oven cleaner
Sorry, Gordon Missed one part of your question. Yes, any block that can be intaglio printed can also be relief printed. It's simply a matter of where you put the ink. In fact, a single etched plate can simltaneously be relief and intaglio printed. In relief printing you would use hand rollers usually to apply an even layer of ink to the raised surfaces of the plate and avoid getting ink into the cracks (the etched or otherwise lowered portions of the plate). The relief surfaces are usually wiped clean in intaglio printing with the ink ONLY in the cracks. Intaglio printing requires more pressure and usually uses dampened paper to allow the paper to go into the cracks and pull out the ink. Colin I have a question. If Paper is dampened w/ water, wouldn't that repel oil based ink? Thanks Mac
[pinhole-discussion] self-intro/printmaking
Hi everyone, First there was that burst of intros, now there's the discussion on printmaking. With the recent Internet worm knocking two days off my schedule -- I'm a sysadmin and web designer and yes I use vi -- I haven't had a lot of spare writing time but I should pop in now while the context is right... I'm Eric Theise, 42, originally from Chicago, have lived in San Francisco for twelve years. Up until recently, I've always let making art slide in favor of making a living and having some sort of career. But I've taken pictures since I was in grade school, and did some 16mm film work in the 80s. Last summer I took an etching workshop at Crown Point Press, and got very fired up about the whole thing. I joined what is basically a printmakers co-op in Berkeley called Kala, and this summer I took the photogravure workshop at Crown Point. In preparation for that, I built a 4 x 5 pinhole camera out of pine and a grafmatic back, and have by now finished editioning five photogravures, and am getting ready to shoot and print some more. The work is interesting, I think -- I will eventually get some up on the web -- but it puts me in a funny position because I presently think of myself as a printmaker who's used photographic means to get an image onto a copper plate. But everyone who sees the work thinks I'm a fine art photographer. Well, okay. In short, photogravure is a mid-1800s technique, possibly the first successful technique for printing photographic images. It involves contact printing a full sized positive onto a sensitized gelatin sheet, affixing the gelatin to a copper plate which is dusted in rosin -- aquatinted -- and etching through the gelatin into the copper via a series of acid baths. The plate is printed with etching ink and a press like any intaglio method. Even though photogravure was supplanted by rotogravure by the early 1900s, it was used by Alfred Stieglitz for most of the pieces in Camera Work, by Edward Curtis for his famous series of North American Indians, and by Paul Strand for his Mexican series. It is a fairly complex and error-fraught process. So that's what I do, and why I'm here. Seems like we may have a quorum for a Bay Area pinhole group, and I will certainly invite any Bay Area people out to the Headlands Center for the Arts for the Fall Open House, Sunday October 14th from noon to 5pm, where I'll be showing this work, the camera, and some other prints. Three buildings full of art and artists; I'm in the basement of Building 960 overlooking the Historic Nike Missile Site (for real). More later. Best, Eric
[pinhole-discussion] mouth pinholes / pinhole advice
hello some info on ann hamiltons mouth pinholes are here... http://www.pbs.org/art21/artists/hamilton/clip2.html i caught a few of the episodes of art 21 and it has some great artists and fascinating concepts. does anyone have, or know of, a reliable and accurate source of pre drilled pinholes? i did get some from www.pinholeformat.com but these may be too large for my needs. or perhaps common items to use with accurate sizing? ive read about numbered sewing needles, but have never been able to find them, do they still exist? i ask because i am trying to convert a 35mm camera into a working pinhole camera and for ideal exposure and focus i need about a size .30 mm, or approximately something for in the f/200-225 range for a 60-65mm focal length. thanks. -stephen __ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com
[pinhole-discussion] cheap press for relief printing
Dick Blick Art Supplies sells an old fashioned wringer type press for less than $200. Actually, I think it really is just a clothes wringer that they sell as a press. I bought mine about 10 years ago and it works great for relief printing, drypoint, monoprints, or anything else you would use an etching press for. Its only limitation is the size-the wringers will only accomodate up to 11 width but the length is not limited. I clamped it to an old table and use scraps of matboard to support everything as it goes through the wringer. Also used it to make polaroid transfers when I was too lazy to hand rub them. :0) www.dickblick.com Gina Bellando http://home.ix.netcom.com/~ginabell/index.html
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Oven cleaner
With apologies to listmembers, as this is not pinhole, the Japanese tool called a baren is traditionally a coil of tightly braided or wound rice husks (looking rather like a coiled trivet) covered in large bamboo leaves with a handle on the back to form a flat, smooth disc that can be grasped from behind. These are what are used to rub the back of the paper in traditional wood block printing in Japan to transfer the ink from the block to the paper. Good ones can cost a fortune (I once saw one priced at nearly $1,000!), bad ones fall apart immediately and rip the paper your trying to print on. If you want to see a cheap one just to get the idea, look for a cheapo Japanese woodblock printing kit at an everyday art supply store. Often they have little ones included. Someone invented a wonderful one (the type I use) that is an array of tiny ball bearings in concenric rings set into holes and sandwiched between two round plexiglass discs. Rolls over the paper like a dream but allows you to exert a lot of even pressure over a large area and doesn't wear out. These cost about $200.00, but last practically forever. I can give you a source in Tokyo if seriously interested, but when it comes right down to it, any method of applying pressure to a sheet of paper on a relief block will work. You can do it with the back of a large spoon. This is tedious, time-consuming work--especially if you plan to make large prints--but use your imagination. Pressure is what's important, not lots of ink. I have seen simple relief presses for sale cheap at antique stores. Again, if really interested, I would recommend making the investment in a good, moderately sized intaglio press--something designed for what you want to do. It will save you loads of frustration in the end. Used ones are available and a great idea, but have any candidate checked out before you buy by someone who knows the problems to look for in a used machine (biggest problem is usually a dented or unevenly worn drum, which will cause dropout). I suspect there are related forums out there for this kind of topic. For more, contact me off list. Hope this helps. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Oven cleaner
Hi: Thanks! My printmaking experience is limited to one photo etching workshop taken over 10 years ago. I made one plate and printed a set of just gorgeous prints. Ever since then I've had a fascination with printmaking - but limited access to resources - namely a press. I don't know what a Japanese baren is - can you eplain? Which leads me to a few questions. What is a reasonably good technique for making releif prints without a press? Would this be the baren? I am also looking at photopolymer plates. These are a photosensitive plastic plate. The plate is sensitive to UV light - the plate hardens when exposed to UV light. It is then processed in water - the unexposed portions dissolving in water. These are usually used as an intaglio process - I want to try using them for releif printing. Any ideas on whether or not this would work? The friend I'm working with is an engineer with a well equiped shop - he wants to know if we could build a press fairly easy or economically. My understanding is a releif press could be made very simply - while an etching press would be a little more complicated. Is it possible to buy second hand presses? Is it worthwhile? Gord - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
