Re: [pinhole-discussion] Need Polaroid Pinhole help for 600 camera
I don't think it is light reflecting, as it usually leaves a flare that is more obvious in shape. You are just over-exposing a bit. Either too much light, too big a pinhole, or too fast a film, or to short a focal length! I kind of like it the way it is, though! On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:41:39PM -0500, Traci Bunkers wrote: Yes, taking the shutter off would be one way. But I'd have to figure out how to open up the camera without breaking it. I don't want to mess up the mechanism that makes the film pop out. Yes, the center is over exposed. I'm wondering if it's because of the flash, or if light is reflecting off the inside of the pinhole material. -- Traci Bunkers Bonkers Handmade Originals http://www.bonkersfiber.com From: Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:14:33 -0400 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Need Polaroid Pinhole help for 600 camera I am not familiar with that camera, but, can't you just rip the shutter out completely? Then, you can make a little shutter for in front of the pinhole. That is my usual method of butchering perfectly good cameras for pinhole... ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney Pinhole
Who said the reason for pinhole was a fuzzy image? I use a Finney, and quite enjoy a relatively sharp image, in some instances. Great depth of field, which implies a degree of sharpness, is one reason many people like pinhole. That is like saying if you want a fuzzy image, forget pinhole, use your Nikon, and throw your enlarger out of focus... Some people don't believe this was taken with a pinhole, but it was. Your only tip off might be the depth of field: http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=blackbeard.jpg -Jeff On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 08:31:15AM -0400, Christian Harkness wrote: Well, no!!!??? You should not be getting a sharp image - isn't that one reason for using pinhole in the first place. If you want that with your 35mm camera, you best use a Nikon lens. I bought a Finney Pinhole Body Cap for my Nikon F2 just to play around with. It's a very cool product. However, all the pictures are soft (not always cool). Should I be getting a sharp image from the body cap? Anyone else out there tried one of these? _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Trio of Leonardo Pinhole Cameras for sale
Hello all! Being the consumate gear-aholic, I am in need of divesting myself of several excellent pinhole cameras. The cameras are the Leonardo Pinhole cameras, and can be seen at: http://www.pinholeresources.com/products.html#leonardo I am offering a package of the three 4x5 models, which consist of the 1.5 super wideangle, 3 wideangle, and 6 normal cameras. These are finely crafted sturdy pinhole cameras designed by Eric Renner, complete with brass shimstock laser drilled pinholes. These cameras are in excellent condition, and only show small evidence of normal usage. As an extra bonus, I will include a black nylon backpack for carrying your new cameras in the field. Samples of images made with these cameras available on request. The cameras would retail for $262 if purchased new. Before I advertise these on EBAY, I would like to make them available first to members of the list for $199 for the package, plus actual shipping charges. Please contact me right away if you would like me to reserve these for you. Thanks, Jeff Dilcher Atlanta, GA
[pinhole-discussion] Web forums
If anyone would like to start a new forum, just write to me at gregg@??? and I'll set it up. If you'd like to also moderate a forum, even better! Great work, Greg! I like the idea of additional ways to post pictures. I fear, however, that a web based group of pinhole sub-topics will weaken our catch all email forum. An email group, like ours, is very passive, in that, I am a part of the flow of discussion without having to remember to visit web sites, register, etc. I just have to check my email now and then, which I do anyway during my day. Others won't be like me, and will branch away from this group to discuss things on the seperate web forum, thereby fracturing our group. Some of us will miss contributions which, I guess, would have been directed here. I host a mailing list (unrelated topic) of 700 people, http://www.hiddenworld.net/tag-net . I thought about doing the same web based sub groups, but didn't, only because I feared diluting the email group, which I had fostered for about 10 years. Maybe this Pinhole group has reached the volume level where some branching out is necessary, however, I don't feel I get two much mail, as it stands. Anyway, just my two cents, as a fellow moderator. I appreciate the forum, however it changes, and enjoy reading and contributing to the group, when I can. I appreciate the positive tone of most of the discussions here, and the willingness of folks to help others out. Happy Holidays all- Take advantage of some time off from work to get some images!! -Jeff Dilcher Atlanta, GA USA
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wondering
computers are almost occult medium to many people at my workplace- otherwise I wouldn't have a job as a computer technician. When you take the romanticism and emotion out of it, film and computers are just two different technologies. On the face of it, neither one can claim to be more pure or mystically better able to capture light. They are just mechanical processes. Both are capable of great pictures. I used to have a similar argument with a friend who claimed that music CDs just could not capture the nuances of sound that were transcribed on his vinyl LP albums. I suspect that the fact that he had thousands of dollars wrapped up in his vinyl collection probably made him a little biased! When you take romantic and subjective opinion out of it, most people agree that digital CDs are far more capable at capturing the spectrum of sound. Still, even after all these years, I haven't thrown out my own vinyl LPs, however, I wouldn't buy one! I try to choose technologies that just work best, in terms of price and ability to achieve my desired end. I like using film now, and scanning it later, then printing via inkjet. The reason I use film is, for now, I get high resolution images for a relatively cheap price. I see a day, however, when I will drop film altogether- I really don't like futzing around developing color film. Water baths, temperatures, developing drums, chemicals, time, scratched film, etc. conspire to make me not even want to shoot pictures at times! On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 michelbayar...@aol.com wrote: Something being lost? The mystery? The understanding of an almost occult medium? An atempt to see what light is really doing as it hits and wraps around an object? well said Jean. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinhole?
The newer, more expensive camera apparantly can handle longer exposures better. Here is a 30 second Nikon D1 exposure (not pinhole): http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD1/Samples/Night/000902-0739-37.jpg the dots in the night sky are stars, and not artifacts! In a few years, technology will increase to where long exposures will be routine, I imagine... On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Byron wrote: Indeed. I have. I took a Logitec USB digital camera as a starting point. The images are lousy. The CCD firmware isn't all that accessible and it's fun to tinker with. Start with a cheap camera...it's less painful. Byron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] uploaded photo with thing in corner
Looks like a light leak. I think Holga owners considers that a feature and not a problem! There is a reason these cameras were (originally) inexpensive... On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Traci Bunkers wrote: Thanks for the suggestions so far on my pinhole shots with my Holga. I just uploaded a photo that shows this weird thing in the bottom right. I said earlier that it didn't appear in my b/w shots. But I just looked at some negs, and there are some shots with it. . . . I like the quirkiness of using a Holga, but it would be good to know what's causing this and if it's something I can fix. http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=traci_bu nkers_3.jpg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] recent zoneplate image posted.
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 10:09 pm, pinholeren...@netscape.net wrote: I just posted an image taken last week of an old , soon to be abandoned swiming pool in new jersey.I was real happy with the colors wanted feedback . It was taken with a Finney using kodak 160 asa print film 120mm.I was thinking of selling the camera however I may change my mind if I can get more results like this.here is the link http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?cmd =maxstart=pic=chiprenner.jpg thanks chip renner Nice pic! The colors look so vivid! Is that the way they scanned, or was the shot enhanced somehow? People actually swim here? :)
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Reciprocity
On Wednesday 30 October 2002 02:55 pm, ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J wrote: whatever geek Trying for most un-cool subscriber post? You have my vote...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] using filters
eradicate them. Any suggestions on keeping contrast in the sky without a filter? Or alternatively how to use a filter without rendering every speck of dirt? I gave up on filters altogether, and just started shooting color film. This allows me to adjust contrast and convert to greyscale in PHotoshop. You have an astounding amount of contrast control- much better than filters could ever give. At least, that is my experience. This site appears to talk about it: http://www.bythom.com/bandw.htm
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 film
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Catherine Just wrote: hi, after using 4x5 film holders with my pinhole while traveling, I am very interested in the film that is already in a holder. I can't remember the name of it. I think you are referring to the readyload packs from Kodak. I use TMAX ones for black and white. They are substantially more expensive than traditional film packages, but you can't beat the convenience of not having to load and unload in a dark place. Also, your film stays cleaner and is less likely to get scratched, in my experience. Check this document: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/pubs/kic/kic92753/kic92753.pdf
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lunch Hour Pinhole Project
The page uses cascading style sheets, so I guess a relatively recent browser is helpful. The slide show program is call McPics, and is a free php/image magik program for linux/unix. Pretty cool. Search on google if you need a good image display software... On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:16 pm, Margaret Graham wrote: I had the same problem in Netscape but it is viewable in IE and well worth a look! Margaret Graham George L Smyth wrote: --- Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net wrote: I have started a little project, to keep myself amused, called Lunch Hour Pinhole Project. Feel free to check out the first installment. Wednesday's picture suffered from a stuck shutter, but the rest of the week turned out ok! http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html I was not able to get to http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html. Is it down or is the URL wrong? Thanks - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lunch Hour Pinhole Project
I was not able to get to http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html. Is it down or is the URL wrong? Thanks - george Users behind restrictive firewalls may not be able to access the site, as it is on port 81. This is because my little web site runs off my cable modem, and the friendly ATT folks have decided to not allow port 80 traffic (the standard http port). This is not a problem for most people, unless they have system administrators that are overly restrictive about how they access the `net, they should be able to be routed to the port 81. After paying my exhorbitant broadband fee, unfortunately I don't have any money left over to lease space on a real server!
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Images in show
I like the idea of using color film for BW, primarily for controlling constrast. For instance, you can skip using filters when you take pictures, and, instead, use Photoshop, to, say, darken only the blue sky in a picture, when you are converting to BW. I would be interested in hearing what processes you are using to convert to BW, and whether other people are using color film, for the reasons I mentioned above.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Does anyone use a Jobo for processing
I use a Jobo drum, but roll it on a Beseler motor drive, which is actually designed for rolling print paper. I get great results with it. On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: No experience with the duolab, but I can sure endorse Jobo. - Original Message - From: D. Hill To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:34 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Does anyone use a Jobo for processing Hi everyone, After all this time in the darkroom, I have found it to be a good time to simplifly and condense some space with a Jobo Duolab. Do any of you use this? I have a specific question about it's agitation for the film tube, and whether it continuously spins in one direction, or if it spins for a revolution in one direction then spins back the other way. The unit seems to be portable enough for small darkroom work, and you get the developing slots for paper as well. Any stories of darkroom bliss with the Duolab will be appreciated... thanks, Don -- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
RE: [pinhole-discussion] (no subject)
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Andy Schmitt wrote: good instinct since everything in front gets focus...including any little dusties on the filter. andy Dusties have no problem getting projected onto the film when the filter is behind the pinhole- I know this from painful personal experience! Moral- Take pains to clean any dust fragments from your filter before every shot, and, if your filter is inside your camera, make sure that the inside of your camera squeaky clean, or else as soon as you close your camera, dust will hop on your filter like fleas on a dog!
[pinhole-discussion] Painting inside of tins
Can anyone give advice on what to look for in a paint that will be used to paint and darken the inside of tins? I have not made a pinhole camera from a tin, and was thinking of using some of my pipe tobocco circular tins as wide angle cameras. Thanks! Jeff
Re: [pinhole-discussion] begging for wisdom
I am shooting the same film and the same format. I would advise filtration of Red and Yellow. Red will also darken foilage, in addition to darkening sky, and yellow will lighten foilage in addition to darkening sky. a number 29 dark red will make the blue sky extremely dark. a number 25 will darken more moderately. a number 15 yellow is supposed to darken a sky significantly, while a number 8 might be better for a moderate contrast. I don't think either will do much good if you don't have any blue in your sky., i.e., they will probably only serve to lengthen your exposure. Good luck. I am going to be in Utah next week taking pictures of rock formations... I can't wait! On Thu, 30 May 2002 jeepa...@aol.com wrote: I'm going to the west coast of Ireland at the end of June and I'm hoping to take a lot of pinhole shots, especially of the sea and bogs and the sun through the clouds, etc., etc., etc. I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to get good contrast between the sky and the clouds, in particular. Is it better to use a filter when shooting or in the printing stage? (I'll use negatives as final images, but I won't use the originals.) I'm planning on shooting 4x5 TMax 100, but will probably take along some 400 also. I'd rather not bring along any developing apparatus, but I may lose my nerve and load my suitcase up. Any advise anyone has would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Julie (WPPD#167) ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] developing little pieces of 35mm film
I would put my chemicals in some little coffee cups, and swish them around in there for the recommended times. Upload your results so we can see what develops (pun intended). On Mon, 20 May 2002, Shannon Stoney wrote: I have been thinking about making some tiny cameras with Altoids boxes and 35mm plastic film canisters. But, how do you develop the small piece of film you have exposed with such a camera? It would seem awkward to try to thread it onto a regular reel. Tiny tubes, as in BTZS tubes? Trays? --shannon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 02:55 am, Guy Glorieux wrote: No Jeff, you didn't miss any postings on the Wyndham Montreal Hotel Giant Pinhole picture... I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. Wow! Fantastic! Thanks for updating us! Thanks for posting the picture and the report. I am fascinated by the technical difficulties, and solutions, that you encountered pulling this off! The 7 stops of vignetting would have been something I don't think I would have calculated!!
[pinhole-discussion] Canada Hotel and Great Wall shots?
I may have missed an update... How did the Canadian Hotel room pinhole picture and the Great Wall pinhole projects turn out? -Jeff
[pinhole-discussion] RE: [Followup] airline screening and film
From my research since I first posted, I have determined that a) you are likely to get zapped by much higher powered devices if your film is in bags which are checked and not carried on board. b) 100asa and under film *should* be able to withstand several exposures to walkthrough devices. c) Current FAA regulations state that you can demand a hand check of your film at the walk through scanners. Apparantly some checkers will still require you to put your item through the scanner, if it is not high speed film. d) There are lead lined pouches available, which can safely resist both walk through, and the higher powered checked baggage scanners. Though, high power resistant bags are a bit pricier. Building a camera onsite is not an option for me, and FEDEXING my film back and forth will be difficult since I don't know anyone there. I can't buy and process film on location, since I work with large format, and have my own peculiar processing desires. I decided to order the SIMA lead lined bag product http://www.simacorp.com/photo.html#filmshield for my upcoming Utah trip. The lead lined bag approach will work well if the carry on handlers won't hand check my film- I will still have another layer of protection as I anxiously watch my film go through the cooker.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole is not about sharpness?
On Tuesday 07 May 2002 09:51 pm, michael_georg...@trendmicro.com wrote: Perhaps the majority of pinhole is not at all concerned with sharpness. There are many, many of what I consider Pictorial shooters, achieving great soft images, some very dreamlike. Very nice stuff! (eg: Davison's The Onion Field, etc, etc). The WWPD gallery is full of great, soft pinhole images. I have had people who couldn't believe that some Finney pics I made were actually pinhole, due to sharpness. Using the correct focal length and aperature, I was able to get this amount of detail: http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=blackbeard.jpg I don't mind not having razor sharpness, but I like a certain level of clarity...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Montreal Wyndham Hotel Giant Pinhole Camera Project (update)
Great! Hey, could you guys snap a few lens pics, which you could upload, which would show us your camera, being setup? I would be as interested in that, as the final result! Good luck! Jeff On Saturday 27 April 2002 10:52 am, Guy Glorieux wrote: Hi friends, I thought that some of you might be interested in an update on our project to turn a room of the Wyndham hotel in Montreal into a giant pinhole camera and to do a wall size pinhole image of the Montreal landscape. Things are going on as well as could be at this stage and the only dark spot I see is that the weathermen are calling for rain on Sunday, which could play some tricks on us if the window is dripping with rain all day long. As the rain interferes with light flowing through the pinhole, there is no way to anticigarette how the image will ultimately shape up on the emulsion. To make things more difficult, low light levels associated with rain may require inordinate exposure times because paper has huge reciprocity errors beyond 60 minutes exposure times. At 60 minutes, the reciprocity correction factor is 9.5 for a corrected exposure time of 9 1/2 hrs... We'll be using 3 strips of 50'' x 98'' to make the print (it'll be paper negative which will be subsequently contact printed into a paper positive). The paper will be tacked on a frame 150'' x 98'' held vertical with two autopoles. To get the maximum view of the cityscape, we'll be working with a very short focal length (so to speak for those not accustomed to large format). The focal length will be somewhere between 36'' and 48'', to be finalized on site. Optimum pinhole size for a 36'' focal is 1.27 mm which gives us an F/stop of F/720. This is quite manageable on a bright sunny day (6 1/2 minutes, uncorrected for reciprocity), but on a rainy day, this could well rise to 2hrs. Add reciprocity, the theoretical exposure time jumps to 26hrs... -:( The shutter will be opened at exactly 00:00hr on Sunday, April 28, to celebrate the 2nd Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day and we will let exposure run until Midnight exactly. It'll be a 24hr exposure, but my tests in the past few days indicate that not much of the night time exposure will show up on paper (unless we were to use a larger pinhole for night time). The plan is to have a bunch of 8x10 sheets attached to the side of the frame and to process one every hour or so to check how the image build up and to modulate exposure as the image builds up until completion. On a bright sunny day, this should occur around noon time, but if it's rainy, we may barely have enough of the whole day. We'll be spending most of the day today setting up the room, the pinhole and the wood frame and we should be ready well in time for 00:00hr tonight. Exposure will take place all day Sunday and we'll start processing the long strips of paper Monday evening and continuing the subsequent two evenings. We'll use large 50'' x 10 tanks made from boxes used to store rolls of photographic paper, lined up with heavy plastic. The tricky part will be the washing stage, to ensure satisfactory washing. We'll that's it folks. I hear that the team doing the Great Wall of China giant pinhole will have something like 130 people. Hmmm... A lot more than the five of us in this project! -:)) If you want more information, go to http://www.zeroimage.com/Guy/PinholeHotel.html or check the reference on the site of Pinhole Visions at http://www.???/ Happy pinhole day to all, Guy ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Scanmaker 4 film/photo scanner for sale
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[pinhole-discussion] Scanmaker 4 film/photo scanner for sale
I have a scanner for sale on EBAY, if anyone is interested. There is no reserve, so you might get lucky and get it cheap! It is a scanmaker4 dual media scanner - it will scan negatives up to 8x10! I regularly made 4x5 scans on it, which can be seen on http://www.hiddenworld.net/pinhole Here is the URL http://pages.ebay.com/services/buyandsell/index.html?ssPageName=ADME:X:LC:US:2 -Jeff
Re: [pinhole-discussion] viewfinder
I have an even simpler solution. I have a small rectangle with a 4x5 inch whole cut in it. It looks like a little frame. I hold this up to my eye, and, voila, viewfinder! My camera has a bellows, so I am able to adjust the focal length to match my eye to frame distance. Works great, and helps me compose pictures before I haul out my camera, and set up the tripod, etc. I carry it on a cord around my neck... You could make this a little more precise. Say if you have a 3 inch focal plane camera, you could afix a small 3 inch cord to the frame. That would help you ensure that your eye is the proper distance from the frame, to match what your camera will see when it takes your picture. On Tuesday 23 April 2002 03:23 am, Joe Rollins wrote: I made a viewfinder by taking a exposure from a known distance from an object, developing. I then returned to the scene, stood the same distance and cut a template out of cardstock to match the photograph. I then cut a viewfinder out of heavy plastic using the template. Very elementary, perhaps, but it seems to give me an idea of the intended scene if the viewfinder is held the same distance from the eye. Joe Rollins jroll...@starband.net - Original Message - From: Richard M. Koolish kool...@bbn.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: [pinhole-discussion]ground glass Thankyou all for the input on ground glass Guillermo- The reason for the ground glass is so that I can view the scene for composition before exposure. I don't require a necessarily good image, just one for the main lines and masses of the picture. Your idea of a fresnel sheet is inspired, I shall use it. I know that pinhole is also about serendipity but I want a little more control over the final image, particularly when one has taken time to find and there is no retake! I am going to use a viewing pinhole for the ground glass - one that gives me enough light (under a cloth) so I can see the image. I am not concerned with viewing detail just the main masses. Alexis Why not make a viewfinder instead? ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] my first photo
Good job! What kind of camera are you using, and what kind of focal length? I have always shot film, but would like to experiment with paper. What did you mean by Gimp curves? changing contrast? I have found that this is almost always necessary with my pinhole film scans, and even my digital camera pics. Gimp is a great free photo editor, primarily used in Linux. I wonder if anyone else on the list uses it? On Sunday 14 April 2002 01:54 pm, Matti Koskinen wrote: hi The first photo that is partly succeeded with my 4x5 wooden camera and first photo of mine ever in the gallery can be seen at: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=mjkoski n_1.jpg It's the north side of a late-medieval church. Some snow can still be seen, though it has been 15 degrees centigrade temperatures lately here. Exposure time was 8 mins and negative Kodak Polymax II RC. Developer was diluted Neutol, but still Gimp curves had to be used. Moving to hi-speed film instead of paper has the advantage of shorter exposure times, my son was getting bored during this eight minute shot :-) -matti mjkos...@koti.soon.fi ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: RE: RE: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Finney 4x5 for sale
Dreaded circular email loop in progress. You might want to temporarily disconnect David! On 3 Apr 2002, David Weinberg wrote: I am on the west Coast this week with limited access to email. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] New picture posted
I have posted a picture from my travels this last weekend. I visited Jack's River, which flows from East to West along the northern border of the Cohutta Wilderness in North Georgia. This is a pretty scenic area, with lots of photo opportunities. http://www.hiddenworld.net/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=jacksriver1a.jpg I have been working lately with my exposure, and experimenting with developing times to get my contrast range to be something I am happy with. I feel like I'm starting to make a little progress. Thanks to all who responded to my post requesting info on piezography, Jeff Dilcher
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Zero 6x9 pinhole
I would second that advice. The formulas give you supposedly the most sharp picture for the given focal length and pinhole size... but, is that really what you want from a pinhole image- the most sharp picture you can get? You can be *way* off, and still get great pictures. On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 07:12, Bill Erickson wrote: There are at least two different formulas for the pinhole to film plane distance question. There are lots of different tables already calculated that have been referred to before. See Eric Renner's book for a long detailed description. Also, since you can be off from the right distance by a factor of 10 and still get usable images, just try something and see what you get. - Original Message - From: cfowler cfowl...@tampabay.rr.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Zero 6x9 pinhole Hi all, How about different subject than photoflo ! I am getting ready to order the zero 6x9 multiformat pinhole camera, has anybody used this camera's ? is it worth 200 Bucks ? I have mostly used large format camera's, I have a big 5x7 view camera, I dont think it be hard to convert to pinhole but how do select the distance of the bellows ( pinhole to film plane ) ? is there certain rule ? C.H. Fowler ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload gallery
Thanks, I went ahead and upgraded my server, even though it is a pain in the $%@! Thanks for pointing this out! On Friday 01 March 2002 07:13 pm, you wrote: Jeff, there's a description of it here: http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html At 10:35 AM 2/28/02 -0500, you wrote: Gregg, What was the vulnerability? I allow people to upload and download via PHP scripts on my web site, and probably should tighten up my security... -Jeff On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Gregg Kemp wrote: Hi all, I have temporarily disabled the ability to upload a file to the list's upload gallery. You can still view everything ok, but you just want be able to upload any new images for a while. I learned today of a bug in the scripting language I use for the uploads that makes the Pinhole Visions web site vulnerable to hackers through file uploads. There is a fix for this bug, but the fix will require some time to implement. I hope to have this fixed this weekend, if possible. Thanks, Gregg ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload gallery
Gregg, What was the vulnerability? I allow people to upload and download via PHP scripts on my web site, and probably should tighten up my security... -Jeff On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Gregg Kemp wrote: Hi all, I have temporarily disabled the ability to upload a file to the list's upload gallery. You can still view everything ok, but you just want be able to upload any new images for a while. I learned today of a bug in the scripting language I use for the uploads that makes the Pinhole Visions web site vulnerable to hackers through file uploads. There is a fix for this bug, but the fix will require some time to implement. I hope to have this fixed this weekend, if possible. Thanks, Gregg ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth
Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? I need something that will work reasonable well with a 4X5 view camera, but am not interested in spending too much, obviously. I have a finney that I am experimenting with using for lens as well as pinhole work.. Any tips appreciated, Jeff
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
Yes, most are 4x5 TMAX100 negatives developed in hc110 dilution B for the recommended times. Some on the web page were shot using a Leonardo pinhole camera: http://www.pinholeresource.com/products.html#leonardo I used to use the 1.5 or maybe 3 focal length versions primarily. Some newer ones are using a Finney pinhole camera, which has an adjustable bellows. I don't take good records, so I don't remember the focal lengths that I use (usally 75 or 150mm): http://www.pinholeresource.com/products.html#finney Hope that helps! Thanks for the encouragement! -Jeff On Tuesday 18 December 2001 06:56 pm, Ricardo Wildberger Lisboa wrote: Jeff, Your photographs are very, very beautiful. Some of the niciest I've ever seen. Impressive contrast and details! Could you tell us what kind of camera and film format and type you used ? What time of the day do you preferably use to photograph ? Congratullations. Ricardo.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Will paper work in 4x5 film holder?
I wonder if 4x5 enlarging paper will fit exactly in the sheet film holders? They should, but I haven't tried... -Jeff On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Andy Schmitt wrote: Why not? As long as you cut it the right side put the emulsion facing out ( 80) ) it should be a very good method for holding it. andy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
Sorry, Garden City South Carolina. It is an ocean side community about 10 miles south of Myrtle Beach South Carolina. On Thursday 13 December 2001 06:39 am, b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/12/01 8:23:35 PM, r...@hiddenworld.net writes: Sunrise on Garden City (with shrimboat on horizon): Garden City? Garden City where? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
I think the main blob of light in the sky really is the sun, and not just flare, and the larger circle of light beneath it is the flare. This picture was really more of a mistake that it came out interesting, rather than a planned effort (like most of my pictures!). On Thursday 13 December 2001 01:05 am, Mike Vande Bunt wrote: Jeff Dilcher wrote: Some new pictures from a recent trip to South Carolina. Joy. Rock Island State Park, near McMinnville Tennessee: http://server1.hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic= rockisland2.jpg Fantastic! The wild diffraction effect from the edges of the pinhole (which has been discussed at great length here in the past...) is a near perfect compositional element in the shot. That's quite an achievement, considering that the effect usually doesn't show up untill AFTER the film is developed! (Or was this done with an SLR where was enough light from the 'lens flare' for it to be visible in the viewfinder??) Mike Vande Bunt ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
Dirleton is near Myrtle Beach- about 10 miles south. Myrtle Beach is very close to the border with North Carolina. Most plantations are privately owned, but Dirleton was deeded to the state, and now what formerly was rice plantations are now wildlife management areas. On Wednesday 12 December 2001 09:53 pm, you wrote: Nice photos! Where is Dirleton in relation to Hilton Head? (went to the site, couldn't find which county Dirleton was in) I'll be in HH in July again, would like to do some plantation sightseeing and photography. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
Some new pictures from a recent trip to South Carolina. Dirleton Plantation: http://server1.hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=direleton.jpg to find out about the history of Dirleton, click here: http://www.lowcountry-sc.com/dirleton/ Sunrise on Garden City (with shrimboat on horizon): http://server1.hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=sunrise-garden.jpg The second shot was so bright, looking right into the sun, that I only did a 3 second exposure on TMAX 100 asa film! Joy. Rock Island State Park, near McMinnville Tennessee: http://server1.hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=rockisland2.jpg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] A test of long exposures
Great shots! Can you give the film and aperature / focal length you used? Thanks! On Saturday 08 December 2001 08:21 pm, you wrote: I uploaded three images which are the result of exposure times arrived at with less than microscopic precision. Specifically, http://www.???/discussion/upload/overnight was just that, an overnight exposure. http://www.???/discussion/upload/parade the exposure was as long as it took for the float to pass me, and with http://www.???/discussion/upload/deadbattery I taped a monkey skull to the end of a flashlight and exposed it until the battery went dead. It seems to be impossible to fatally overexpose something. All you get with more overexposure is better detail in the shadows.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Calculating accumulated flash for my pinhole camera...
By the time you get to a calculated 64 flashes, you actually need to give 80! Might want to have an extra set of batteries on hand. Tell your subject not to move while you are doin' all that poppin'!
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: strange color with Polaroid color materials
Can someone talk about the performance of the fuji instant film? Is it available in 4x5? what speeds? Prone to reciprocity / color shifts? I would think adding a blue filter to poloroid shots would exacerbate the problem. I won't if the blue cast can be adequately compensated for in photoshop?
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 sheet film use.
Here is my tank: http://www.jobo-usa.com/products/3000.htm not all jobo tanks are for film- some are designed for paper. That web site should help you differentiate. I have a plastic device used to pour oil into a car (kind of like a funnel) that sticks in the end, and lets me pour chemical in while it's turning. Then, I just dump one chemical out in the sink, and pour another in. It is really simple with this tank. I think my motor spins the tank about 40 revolutions a minute or so, or at least that is probably a good guess. The motor base I use is an old one made by beseler and pictured on this page: http://www.beseler-photo.com/Product_Catalog/k2.pdf Hope that helps, Jeff On Wednesday 05 December 2001 06:24 pm, you wrote: Hey Jeff, I see some drums on ebay. Did you just get a drum that is able to hold 4x5 sheets and hook a motor up to it? How many RPMs does it turn at? Do you just dump out the dev and put the stop in, etc? Thanks for any info... rob From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:02:53 -0500 (EST) To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 sheet film use. I got started in 4x5 about a year and a half ago. I use TMAX 100 sheet film and process it in HC110. To process the film, I use a large plastic drum by Jobo, which fits 10 sheets at a time, and requires about 500ml of solution to process. These drums are expensive, though. You might get lucky and see one on EBAY like I did. I roll the drum on an old Beseler motorized base, when processing. I have been using the standard two sheet film holders which fit the backs of my Leonardo and Finney pinhole cameras. This is nice, but you have to have a bunch of these holders loaded up when you go out in the field. I have about 10 of them, which gives me about 20 shots. Another option is to use the new ready load films, which come in little light tight packets. YOu can use one single holding device, and carry a bunch of the packets, which you swap in and out of the single holder, in the field. I have bought some of these, but haven't used them yet. Another advantage to these is it almost eliminates dust problems, since the packets are individually wrapped, and, except for during exposure, are always wrapped. They are more expensive though. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Full-Vue and tripod socket
Must be a good camera, because the lovely Teresa Wright endorses it: http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Teresa/teresa-ad.htm
Re: [pinhole-discussion] A couple of tech questions
Hi Guy! I also found this: http://photography.cicada.com/zs/tables/61.html Oddly, I didn't see what is referred to as +1 +2 N -2 -1 development times on Digital Truth. Admittedly, there is much information there , so I may have missed it. That is a good site to bookmark! Thanks for the tip! Jeff On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Guy Glorieux wrote: Jeff, If you go to DigitalTruth.com, you'll see the first item on the menu is the famous Massive Development Chart with all the info to develop every fim on eatth with every combination of developers and push-pull data. Very neat. http://www.digitaltruth.com/ Cheers, Guy Jeff Dilcher wrote: Sorry for the technical questions, but maybe someone could be of help. 1) TMAX 100 film - I am thinking of trying to alter my development times to obtain the -2, -1, +1, +2, contrast adjustments. Can anyone give me some reasonable percentages of normal development times that I should start off with for this film? 2) convergence / parallax - can anyone point me to an online resource which might discuss these distortions when shooting large format, and how to resolve with swings and lifts, etc.? Thanks for any help, Jeff ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] A couple of tech questions
Sorry for the technical questions, but maybe someone could be of help. 1) TMAX 100 film - I am thinking of trying to alter my development times to obtain the -2, -1, +1, +2, contrast adjustments. Can anyone give me some reasonable percentages of normal development times that I should start off with for this film? 2) convergence / parallax - can anyone point me to an online resource which might discuss these distortions when shooting large format, and how to resolve with swings and lifts, etc.? Thanks for any help, Jeff
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid and Bankruptcy
Anyone venture to guess if polaroid materials will still be available in any form following their bankruptcy?
[pinhole-discussion] foam board?
Anyone use that foam board like that sell at craft stores for making pinhole cameras? I wonder if it durable enough... Thought I'd ask before I plunk down any cash...
[pinhole-discussion] Kevin Finney's email?
Does anyone on the list have Kevin Finney's email address? I have need for a small replacement part for my Finney pinhole camera...
[pinhole-discussion] piezography?
I have heard people refer to piezography when referring to printing from a computer. Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing?
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid for newbies?
Does anyone know a good site for someone who knows nothing about Polaroid to learn? What film, what are the properties, caveats, etc? I usually use 4x5 BW, and understand that I can buy 4x5 Polaroid film and film holders to use in my large format camera.
[pinhole-discussion] Lens Flare... ZeroImage 6x9?
Hello, I have been the happy owner of a ZeroImage 2000 camera, and having been mulling the possibility of buying one of the new 6x9 format versions. My older camera seemed very susceptible to lens flare. The web page say: Matt black paints is applied at the inner part of the camera to prevent light leak. The brass shim is stained black to avoid international reflection and lens flare. I think they mean internal reflection. Does anyone know if the newer cameras are less susceptible to flare?
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Image of Trade Center, Friday Before Collapse
Four days before the Twin Towers collapse, we had the opportunity to visit NYC. The first thing we did on Friday was visit the World Trade Center, and take the elevator up to the observation desk on the roof. Here is a ZeroImage pinhole photo, take on the last Friday of the Trade Tower's existance (9-7-2001): http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=towers2.jpg We feel very fortunate to have been able to visit the structures, before their destruction, and survive. We were lucky. Our condolences to those on the list who are more directly impacted by the tragedy. Jeff and Nina Dilcher
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: World Trade Center attacks
Me too! I tried VI... I think you have to have a programming gene (which I must lack) to really like it. maybe EMACS. On Friday 14 September 2001 17:41, you wrote: Hi: No! There's simplicity (pine) and then there's masochism (vi). Pico is the editor I use in pine. Gord On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, George L Smyth wrote: --- Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote: Hey! - At least I'm using Pine to read my email - Its pretty low tech :) Gord Please don't tell me you're using vi to write it! g Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg University of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461Canada S7N 5E2 - ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: World Trade Center attacks
I think the forum we are communicating on is evidence that we are not necessarily moving away from technology in all regards! On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Guy Glorieux wrote: Gregg Kemp wrote: leezy, I truly hope (and believe) our pinhole alliance is much broader than NATO. One of the great things about this list is that we are from all parts of the world, and we encourage membership from all parts of the world. Gregg I wonder if this has to do with the fact that we are moving away from the world of high-tech to a world of greater simplicity? Guy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Pictures from the Trade Center
Thankyou! I took pinhole pictures from the top of the (no longer existing) World Trade Center on Friday. I will publish on the web soon. It is strange to think that the place I was standing on this time on Friday no longer exists... On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jean Daubas wrote: Apologize for being off-subject ! To all our US friends, I heard of the attacks about one hour ago now ; I just want to express my friendship to all of you and want to make you know how i'm close to you in these abject events. Sorry for my off-topic; I needed to tell you. Bon Courage from France Jean ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Some pinhole shots
Great shots! I particularly like: http://users.skynet.be/asveyou/park I don't know if you intended the degree of blurriness that you got, but it makes the picture more interesting for me. Is this in NYC? I'll be visiting there for the first time next weekend. I'd like to do a bit of pinholing while there...
[pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
I took a little road trip last weekend, and took some photos near Desota Falls State Park near Mentone Alabama. Here are the URLs (apologies if these get broken into two lines because of length): http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=0pic=desoto_falls_creek_a_18-18-.jpg http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=0pic=desoto_falls_creek_b_18-18-.jpg http://hiddenworld.net:81/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=0pic=desoto_falls_creek_c_18-18-.jpg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
Try Epson's web site. I think one model is called a 2000 or 2000p. It is listed under their inkjet printers.. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Colin Talcroft wrote: Does anyone know names and model numbers of the archival printers from Epson that Jeff mentions? Thanks. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
That is because inkjet printers use ink that is really a dye, and dyes based prints fade over (little) time. The majority of current Inkjet prints are not archival like real photographs from a darkroom can be. I have noticed that Epson has begun to make archival printers, however which they claim, the prints will last 200 years before fading. Be prepared to spend more for most of these, though. I would never sell a print to someone that is not archival... in a few years they are certainly going to be upset! On Tuesday 14 August 2001 04:07, you wrote: Does anyone know a better alternative than Canons own colurs for their printers? I use a Canon BJC 7000 printer with Canon BC-60 Black ink and BC 62 Photo Color ink. I have not had any problems before, but in my last exhibition I hung my pinhole colour prints in a greenhouse where they have been exposed to direct sunlight all day for two months and upon that high humidity in the nights. And that was a bit too tough! In the last weeks of the exhibition the pictures began to lose some of the colour, they became paler and turned more to the green. The theme for the picuters is garden vegetation and from a philosophical point of view I can se the changes in the print colour as a parallell to the changes in nature when we are turning into late summer and autumn - but I don't think that the potential buyers of my pictures are willing to buy that kind of reasoning. So - is there a more resistant and safe printer ink on the market, that one can use in Canon printers? Jan Hinderson ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Relacement for Quaker Oats Box
You could use shoeboxes, like we used to do way back when when I was in highschool. Of course, your focal length is going to vary- Students with little feet will be able to take wide angle pictures! On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Chuck Flagg wrote: I have my students use chip cans like Fritos, Doritos[holds 5x7]. We wipe out the oils, spray the inside with flat black paint. We use old photo paper bags to cut a circle to fit inside the clear lid. We attach it with spray contact cement. The outer edge is covered with a strip of black electrical tape to discourage light transfer. They are very durable and handy. I also make a lot of use of snack[holds 3.5x5] regular[holds 2.5x7+] Pringle chip cans. Happy Shooting! Chuck Flagg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wideangle, telephoto, etc
This of it this way: If you have a slide projector shining a slide of, say, your family, up on a wall. You are seated between the projector and the wall. If you hold your hand up, between the projector, and the wall, obviously you see some of the image on your hand. As you move your hand away from the projector, only a tiny part of the scene is reflected on your hand- say, only the face of your uncle Mortimer. This is analagous to a long focal length, with the subject zoomed in (on just your uncle's face). Now, walk toward the projector, with your hand up. More and more of the scene is reflected on your hand as you decrease the distance to the projector. Eventually, you hand is only a few inches away from the projector. What do you see projected on your hand? The entire picture of your family. You have zoomed out to wide angle by decreasing the distance. This is pretty much what is happening in your pinhole camera, only the pinhole itself is the projector, shining the scene on the film plane. If we change the distance of the film plane from the pinhole ( focal length), we either zoom or zoom out the scene. Hope this helps... On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Murray wrote: Hello: In the case of pinhole photography, the titles 'wide angle' or 'telephoto' would only refer to the field of view, right? There's nothing to provide magnification. My brain wants to associate the term telephoto with a zoom telephoto lens...I think of tele- anything as meaning at a distance... telekinetic = motion without contact, telephone = sound transported technologically from a distance, television = visual image transported from a distance. So, if one were to change pinhole and focal length (say there were a bellows or telescoping camera chamber), and shoot the same scene from the same camera position, would just the field of view change, or would the image size from the telephoto be 'closer' or larger than that of the wide angle configuration? Thanks for all replies Murray ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Thanks Derek! Have you come up with your own reciprocity adjustments, or are you using what the manufacturer suggests? -Jeff On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Derek Watkins wrote: Jeff I've been shooting Fuji NPS with great success. Although the maximum recommended exposure is 5 seconds, I've used it at 1 and 2 minutes with no problems at all. And I made one early morning shot in October a couple of years ago where the final exposure worked out at 16 minutes! Colour balance on the print was fine. Hope this helps
[pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am not to up to speed on what color films are notable today...
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Blackbeard Island, Georgia
Thanks, The beach is actually a wildlife management area... no people! except an occasional crazy photographer and his wife: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17n=3486598e=481380size=m The pond in the middle is full of alligators, and I hear there are lots of rattle snakes, though I didn't see them! Part of the island has profusion of cypress trees lying on the beach, which the locals call the bone yard. Pretty cool place! This camera is capable of very sharp (by pinhole standards) images, when you use the correct pinhole with the corresponding focal length. I am experimenting with using mismatched pinhole aperatures and focal lengths, however, to see how this affects sharpness, blur, etc. -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Gregg Kemp Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:46 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Blackbeard Island, Georgia Very nice Jeff. Very quiet. (I'm impressed that you found a beach in the US without footprints.) But then to get the cooperation of those Cyprus roots - very cool. I wouldn't even know it was pinhole if it weren't for the smooth transition from the shore to the water. Then I hit your back link and the pleasure continued. You have a very nice collection of images, each one holds up well on its own. congratulations and thanks for sharing, Gregg At 07:10 PM 7/27/01 -0400, you wrote: Hi folks, Here is a photo from Blackbeard Island, off the coast of Georgia, a couple of months ago. Some of the first pics taken with my Finney. Most of the shots I managed to ruin, processing, but I was able to salvage this one reasonably well. My apologies if my mail has bounced for a couple of days. My internet access was disrupted shortly. http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=blackbeard.jpg ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Blackbeard Island, Georgia
Hi folks, Here is a photo from Blackbeard Island, off the coast of Georgia, a couple of months ago. Some of the first pics taken with my Finney. Most of the shots I managed to ruin, processing, but I was able to salvage this one reasonably well. My apologies if my mail has bounced for a couple of days. My internet access was disrupted shortly. http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=blackbeard.jpg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Zero 2000 camera problem
Here is a Zero2000 image I took last summer. No problem with shutter, as the shutter was basically my thumb (!) (pardon the long URL...) http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=jeff_dilcher__coke_.jpg I think I took this in Cartersville, GA. on one of my rambles, but I can't remember... -Jeff
[pinhole-discussion] Anyone processing their own color negatives?
Just wondering if any pinholers here are processing their color negatives at home. Is such a thing viable? I have been concentrating on bw for quite some time, and don't know to much about color chemistry... Maybe someone has some recommended internet links...
[pinhole-discussion] at home color processing?
Just wondering if any pinholers here are processing their color negatives at home. Is such a thing viable? I have been concentrating on bw for quite some time, and don't know to much about color chemistry... Maybe someone has some recommended internet links...
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Clouds Over Columbus
http://hiddenworld.net Jeff -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Kate Hudec Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:20 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Clouds Over Columbus Jeff, What the URL to your site? Thanks. Kate ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Clouds Over Columbus
Thanks for the comments on the picture. This was taken on the Chattahoochie river right before a huge storm. The water, below the dam, in the picture was teaming with huge alligator gar fish, which made the scene even more surreal in person. These huge, seemingly armor plated, fish would swim right up to my feet, and glance at me, before swirling off! The other picture on my site, of the pond with pond stumps, was taken on WWPD, a few minutes after I took the photo that I submitted on the WWPD site (#66). The sun was rising in the background, and created a portion of negative that, when scanned, created a solarization effect, where negative and positive reverse on portions of the image. By changing contrast values, I could have nullified the effect, but I kind of like it, so I left it! I like the movement effect that someone talked about here. I think that it is created by, or at least intensified by, the sharpness falloff on the edges of a pinhole picture when using very short focal length. It kind of gives a stretching effect. I can't remember, but the Columbus picture was either 40mm or 75mm focal length.. The software that I used to display the thumbnails, is a modified version of a program called nailcutter by Thomas Weinert http://www.subjective.de/en/nail/index.php4 Greg Kemp, our host, turned me on to this program. He uses it to portray the upload gallery which is associated with this discussion group: http://www.???/discussion/upload/
[pinhole-discussion] Clouds Over Columbus
A scene from Columbus, Georgia, from the spring of this year: (my apologies if your email chops this url) http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=clouds-over-columbus.jpg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Two Zone Plate Photos
This was a finney pinhole camera, set on zone plate pinhole at, I believe, 150mm focal length. The nude was a 3.5 minute exposure, and, i forget the exposure on the statue. TMax 100 film. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, M wrote: A couple of new zone plate scans, one of St. Francis, and one of a nude. I don't know if St. Francis would approve of the nude, but anyway... (if these URLs get chopped into two lines, you may have to piece them back together in your browser...) http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=Francis_in_the_garden.jpg http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=nude.jpg What kind of camera did you use? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Two Zone Plate Photos
A couple of new zone plate scans, one of St. Francis, and one of a nude. I don't know if St. Francis would approve of the nude, but anyway... (if these URLs get chopped into two lines, you may have to piece them back together in your browser...) http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=Francis_in_the_garden.jpg http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=maxstart=pic=nude.jpg
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Food for thought
I think that idea of technological depth has some effect on a print's uniqueness, and more to the point, it directly relates to the issue I have been calling authenticity. The deeper the technology the less the authenticity. The following view may not be politically correct, on a pinhole photography discussion group, but here goes... I guess this guy would have to argue that music produced on vinyl is some how more authentic than music produced on compact discs, if indeed The deeper the technology, the less the authenticity Technology advances and changes, but that fact doesn't diminish the integrity of the art which it facilitates, at least in my mind. The author appears to forget that the processes that he embraces as more authentic were technologically cutting edge at one time, and were undoubtedly denigrated as not being as authentic, at that time, as the technology which preceeded it. I usually find that people who argue in this way are usually those who have become entrenched in a particular manner of doing things, despite advances in technology. As time progresses, and easier and better ways are found to accomplish tasks, they become frustrated as they see relative amateurs able to effortlessly produce the same photographic effects that they continue to labor for hours and hours to produce. It is no wonder that they become resentful and denigrate other processes as less authentic. In 200 years, folks will think it is hilarious that anyone ever argued that a darkroom with an enlarger was any more authentic than a darkroom with a scanner and ink printer! I love pinhole photography, and the unique images that can be created, but I do not feel married to the low technology way of doing everything in photography, nor do I feel my art is any more authentic if all my output is the result of 50 year old methods of producing images. I like to mix in high tech componants that work for me- a pentax digital spot meter, a palm pilot to assist me with difficult exposure problems, a microtek scanner to scan negatives and digitally adjust output. And, if I choose to make my final prints with an inkjet, then anyone would be hard pressed to make me feel guilty!
[pinhole-discussion] A couple of pics
For those who like to looks at scans: http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=0pic=little-river-ca nyon.jpg Little River Canyon, early spring of 2001 http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/index.php?cmd=maxstart=12pic=viningsbuildin g.jpg A building near my work in Vinings, ourside Atlanta, GA. Thanks for looking, Jeff Dilcher http://www.hiddenworld.net
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
Great pictures, Marcy! Are these taken in California? I didn't know you were on this list. Let me say that your junkstore camera page has been an inspiration for me, an aspiring crappy camera collector as well as pinholer. Keep up the good work, Jeff Dilcher Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Marcy Merrill Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:34 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids Benno wrote: Hey Marcy, how about a pinhole poem competition?? Benno: I have enough problems with that silly poetry contest as it is. (Actually, it's kind of fun.) Those Pintoids are moving right along. On Summer Solstice, I went with a friend her 2 year old daughter to a secluded beach near here. Well, one of many secluded beaches near here. My friend is about 8 months pregnant. The weather was perfect, with this weird-ish high overcast and hot mist rolling in from the bay. A nice breeze to make the white dress flow a little. Lots of elements involved. Sun, water, pregnant woman, child, earth. In fact it was VERY element-al. Just like a ... like a ... like a SoBe bottle! Anyway, I posted a few of those images last night http://www.merrillphoto.com/pintoids.htm ) I plan to do a better job of printing them in the coming week. The 4x5 Pintoid is undergoing renovation. I plan to add two more pinholes to it, so I can choose between using the single, centered pinhole or two offset pinholes, making a somewhat stereo (though overlapped) image. I'm looking for more of those 5x7-ish Altoid tins, by the way (hint, hint). -MM Marcy Merrill Photographer www.merrillphoto.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Images
Great pics! I like the sofa picture! Is that you, or a unintentionally cooperative subject? I wonder if the contrast is a result of your film/ processing choices? What did you use? It looks like the Beseler must have a nicely drilled pinhole at just the right focal length for the aperature to get the sharp images... On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Gregory Parkinson wrote: Hi all - I've been on this list for a while but only recently had the time to scan in some images. These were made using a Beseler 6x9. As opposed to a lot of what I've seen here (and there's been some amazing stuff uploaded) the Beseler produces sharp, contrasty images. What makes it different for me is the perspective and depth of field http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=glp_pinholehula.jpg http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=glp_pinholeghost.jpg http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=glp_pinholecouch.jpg http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=glp_baxtercarrot.jpg Greg
[pinhole-discussion] Reciprocity Problem
*** Warning *** *** Technical Question Follows ** ** press delete key if technical questions bother you ** I have a technical question, that, perhaps someone on the list can help me with. Please respond directly if you like. I am trying to develop a mathematical function which will help determine reciprocity compensations. Initially, I would like to be able to submit a small set of reference values (metered exposure times along with exposure time compensation for reciprocity). Using these, I would like be able to enter in any exposure value, and get a corresponding compensated value on the reciprocity curve. I am trying to boil this down into an algebraic equation as easily as is possible. I have quickly reached the endpoint of my math abilities. Can anyone provide a clue for me?
[pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My personal day off from work...)
Yes, I was kind of surprised that the edges hadn't fallen off more than they did, however this is the only 40mm I have taken . My only problem with the Finney is this: In the past, when using a Leonardo camera, I always could visualize what portions of my scene would be in the final negative by lining up my vision down guidelines, which were traced on the camerabody from the negative corners, down to the pinhole. Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are making a photograph? Guesswork? I thought about making a minute mark on the top-center of the lens board, and a tiny mark corresponding to each corner of the film plane, so that I could line up my picture. I hate to significantly modify the camera in this way, all though I did remove the carrying handle, to help me compose my first photos. The ground glass viewing plate is dissapointing except, maybe, for decoration. From my initial observations, it would appear that you would have to have a dark cloth wrapped tightly in order to utilize it as an aid in composition. These are my only negatives with the camera- in every other way, the Finney is a really great tool, and, a piece of art in it's own right! Any comments? On Fri, 11 May 2001, Edward Levinson wrote: Although is was kind of spooky, I got up the nerve to go inside the building (the door was open), and took this photograph: http://www.hiddenworld.net/files/masters2.jpg The interior of the building is pretty delapidated, and some of the floor is rotting through, and the pews are dusty. This picture was taken with an exposure of 9 minutes, and demonstrates the most wide angle shot you can get with a Finney. (40mm focal length). Jeff, You will enjoy the Finney. I have one and it is now well worn in. I find the super wide 40mm works well for that kind of interior and big trees that otherwise wouldn't get in the picture. But the negatives are difficult to print if they are made on a bright sunny day outside due to the fall off at the edges. ED Edward Levinson *Specializing in Fine Art and Editorial Pinhole Photography* *online portfolio at http://www.awa.or.jp/home/edo * ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] My personal day off from work...
I hope my boss isn't reading... Monday was just too nice a day to go back to work, and, having just received a new Finney 4x5 camera, I was longing to shoot some photos. This shot is from Master's Cemetary, about 10 miles or so east of Atlanta, Georgia. http://www.hiddenworld.net/files/masters1.jpg I was driving along aimlessly, as is my custom when I go out to find something to photograph, when, from the road, I was attracted by this mysterious octagonal white building perched in the back of this old cemetary. Although is was kind of spooky, I got up the nerve to go inside the building (the door was open), and took this photograph: http://www.hiddenworld.net/files/masters2.jpg The interior of the building is pretty delapidated, and some of the floor is rotting through, and the pews are dusty. This picture was taken with an exposure of 9 minutes, and demonstrates the most wide angle shot you can get with a Finney. (40mm focal length). Although the building doesn't appear to have been used in quite some time, I could almost picture mourners gathered here grieving the loss of a loved one...
[pinhole-discussion] An idea for the picture submission!!
I had an idea today about the picture submission. I realize that it is close to the 29th, so it may not be feasible to setup on the server though... How about if each person who submits a photo taken on WWPD put the aproximate time of day, Greenwich Mean Time, that they picture was taken. That way, later, when people are viewing our results, they could have an option to sort the gallery picture viewing order based on the time of day the picture was taken- early morning shots first, then work your way through the day's pictures based on the time of day they were captured. I think that an option to view the gallery in this manner would add to the fact that the WWPD gallery represents one 24 hour day in pinhole time! Any thoughts? Jeff Dilcher Atlanta, GA
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Yahoo Webring List
That is not unusual. I see remailers that translate certain characters as 2D and 3D, although, usually I see this when mailing systems replace end of line characters... -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Dieter Bublitz Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:47 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yahoo Webring List Dieter Bublitz dieter.bubl...@bingo-ev.de wrote: This is not what I wrote. The URL is http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=pinholelist Don't know where the 3D in your quote comes from ... Hm, this is funny In my first mail replying to Ron Hughes I wrote the above URL. In the mail the list sent back to me it still was the above correct URL. In Temi's quote the URL suddenly was http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=3Dpinholelist and this is what is in the Pinhole List Archive. What happened to my mail? Dieter -- Dieter's Lochkamera Seite: http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/ 1. weltweiter Tag der Lochkamerafotografie: http://www.pinholeday.org ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney is Back!
I would love to get one, but justifying it to my wife might be tricky! Has anyone here actually seen a Finney? I like the idea of the pinhole turret, but, I am wondering, if the bellows extension has preset stops to coincide with the various focal lengths. Also, I wonder if the the ground glass viewing screen is usable with pinhole... Is there any reason why a conventional lens/shutter can't be interchanged on this camera? On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 larrybul...@netscape.net wrote: Hi, Eric Renner asked me to mention to the list that the Finney camera is back in production and Pinhole Resource has some. ?Check their website http://www.pinholeresource.com/;. Larry Bullis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] A website pinhole discovery
Some of these pictures were definately very short exposure times. For instance, the bath pictures, the water's action is stopped. Anyone know how they did it? I thougth that perhaps the pinhole camera had a shutter on it, and extremely fast film was used. But, the pictures almost don't seem grainy enough for that to be possible...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Could someone help me?
Yes, this is known as cranial reciprocity failure. Briefly stated, the subject's head size varies in proportion to the length of the time of the exposure, up until a certain point, after which the subject's head will be removed from the photo altogether. Try using faster film in order to keep from decapitating your subjects. Or, use a flash. On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Kellie Deem wrote: I am doing a project for my photography class and I am going ot make a pinhole camera. I was researching some galleries and I came across a picture of a man, whose head was gone. How did they do that? Does it have something to do with the time? Kellie kde...@hotmail.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD Steering Committee more info
I wonder how many expressed an interest! -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Pam Niedermayer Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:44 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD Steering Committee more info Seems to me there must be one or two women who belong on this committee. Now this is just a supposition based on rough numbers, I'm too new to the group to know this for sure, certainly too new to know who they may be. But I think it's worth the committee's consideration. Pam
[pinhole-discussion] Need help with BW film scanning
Does anyone know any good resources and/or tips for scanning black and white film? A while back I purchased a fairly decent scanner, (microtek scanmaker 4), which has trays for scanning film. I have been trying to scan 4x5 BW negatives, but seem to be having miserable results- way to much contrast and little usable shadow detail. If anyone has any good sources or internet sites that have to do with scanning film and/or Photoshop use, I would appreciate it!
[pinhole-discussion] Santa Barbara Cameras?
Anyone had much experience using Santa Barbar pinhole cameras? Care to post your opinion of them? I have been a happy user of the 1.5 and 6 inch Leonardo 4x5 cameras. I was thinking of getting a camera of around 3 inches focal length...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Happy Valentine's Day
I like the idea. I don't have the resources to print, but would gladly make my pics available online. I think we need to do this on a weekend, unless you want a view of my office (come to think of it, that might be interesting.. maybe we could do a workplace theme sometime...) On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/14/01 1:28:13 PM, pam_p...@cape.com writes: Is the plan to put together a pinhole day in the life? Yes...with online exhibition, off line exhibition, swaps, etc. The only parameter is that all the shooting must be done on THAT day. Whatdaya think? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Exposure incl. reciprocity
Have you ever given thought to allowing folks to choose from several popular film types, so that the values on your page would take into account reciprocity? For my cameras, I have printed your page, then corrected the values based on reciprocity charts, but it would be convenient for newbies to have the ability to factor it on the page. -Jeff --- Larry Fratkin la...@mrpinhole.com wrote: Plug the number (fstop) into my calculator http://www.MrPinhole.com/Exposure.html or http://www.MrPinhole.com/calcpinh.html Then add 1 fstop to bracket Larry __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: PRINT SWAP: Self-portrait as the topic?
I like the idea of a swap of some sort, however, I don't do much hard copy printing- i.e., I primarily scan negatives and display electronically via the web. I suppose I could get some decent printer paper, and print via my ink jet printer, if this would not offend the traditionalists out there.
Scanning Negatives
Hello! I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was hoping to get a unit that might be capable of scanning 4x5 (bw) negatives. Does such a thing exist? Are other people here scanning negatives to create positive prints for web pages?
