RE: [pinhole-discussion] Some New Pictures
Nice photos! Where is Dirleton in relation to Hilton Head? (went to the site, couldn't find which county Dirleton was in) I'll be in HH in July again, would like to do some plantation sightseeing and photography.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Flashing
First, you need to know the Guide Number of the flash you're using, so you can calculate how much light you're putting on the subject. As for light sources, if you're working in total darkness, you can paint with light to illuminate the subject, it's background, whatever, moving the light to simulate multiple light sources. (here's the key light, here's the fill, i need a little rim light from back and above) If working in color, get some gels (you only need scraps, a Rosco swatch book has pieces large enough to cover a flash lens) and paint with colored light. Just remember that you need to start with the guide number of the flash and do the math to see how many pops at what distance you need to register some light on the subject through your pinhole. Y'know, this is a LOT of work using flashbulbs, you have to change bulbs for each pop. In the dark. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com With every mistake We must surely be learning Still my guitar gently weeps George Harrison 1943-2001 |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of MARK POWER |Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:13 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Flashing | | |Dear Pinholers, |I found the discussion on using flash interesting. There's an article |in Pinhole Journal Volume 6, issue 2 recommending use of flash |bulbs/cubes on the basis that they were more powerful than most flash |guns. Unfortunately, at least here in the UK, they're no longer |available. I've been thinking about using flash for a series of |portraits and still lifes (?lives) I'm planning. I've converted a |Pentax to pinhole with an aperture of about f200 and a focal length of |about 24 mm. I want to shoot in total darkness against a black |background to emphasize the objects and was wondering how many flashes I |would need in those circumstances? I'll be using a starblitz flashgun |with twin flashes and 35 mm film at 200 asa. Should I use it in |combination with other kinds of lighting and would it be better with a |white background, i.e. less difficult, ? | |Does anyone have any suggestions? | |Regards, |Mark UK |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole info
If you're considering purchasing your pinhole camera on Ebay... |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Leonard |Peterson |Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:21 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole info | | |What does any of this discussion on ebay have to do with pinhole |photography??? |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] oh Diana!
Katherine, take a look at the bid history again, you'll see it's not listed in chronological order. abullen placed the $200 bid on Dec 4, and on dec 5 megan8585 placed three quick bids in a row trying to beat abullen, without of course knowing what abullen's actual bid had been. In each case megan lost. ianturnbull came in at the end and topped abullen by a few dollars. I can'r explain megan's three bids on Dec 3, which seemed only to be driving up her own bid. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? | | | http://cgi.ca.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1304204524 | | | I'm curious about the bid history on this and hoping someone who's |familiar with the ways of ebay can enlighten me. To me it looks like one |person made six bids in a row, running the price up from $65 to $145 |without any intervening bids from anyone else, and then dropped out of |the bidding. Is there a reasonable explanation for this? To me the |moral of this story isn't that the Diana is pure gold, but that all that |glitters isn't, and furthermore that there's a sucker born every minute. |Katharine Thayer | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Calculating accumulated flash for my pinhole camera...
No. You have to double the previous number of flashes for each F/stop change. F22.1 pop F32.2 pops F45.4 pops F64.8 pops F9016 pops F128...32 pops F180...64 pops Never done it with pinhole, but done it plenty of times on large format. Watch for reciprocity failure. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com With every mistake We must surely be learning Still my guitar gently weeps George Harrison 1943-2001
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Anyone seen any interesting work lately?
Dick Blick handles most of the easy printmaking supplies, asphaltum's at http://www.dickblick.com/zz452/05/products.asp?param=0ig_id=1830 Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com With every mistake We must surely be learning Still my guitar gently weeps George Harrison 1943-2001 |-Original Message- | | | |asphaltum now thats one I haven't heard in a while...Where can |you get it? |thanks |andy |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Anyone seen any interesting work lately?
I'm on a digital art list, and they recently had a viewing of work to select some pieces to be displayed on a web site. If you're interested in new tech vs old tech, take a look at http://www.digitalphotoart.org/ No pinholes, but many started life as photos. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com With every mistake We must surely be learning Still my guitar gently weeps George Harrison 1943-2001
RE: [pinhole-discussion] changing bags
No, it's the result of the awful stinky plastic odor trapped inside a well-sealed changing bag.g |-Original Message- | | I'm happy enough with my changing bag, | but my hands stink everytime I use it.g | |Maybe the stink comes from the spray Andy is suggesting me to use! |which brand you use? so I avoid it. :-)) | |Guillermo | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Darkroom door - suggestion needed
Make sure you make it large enough to accomodate the largest piece of gear you'll want to bring through that door. That includes allowing for the door jamb and moulding.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Greetings and paper negative info
I would presume you can use color darkroom safelights with Panalure. |-Original Message- | | |Guy, | Panalure is panchromatic, not ortho or blue sensitive. That's why it |requires full darkness. | |Mike |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives)
Duraclear or Duratrans?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
Was deleting older mail from another list, and found this, thought I'd post it here: New Postal Service Equipment May Destroy Film Responding to the threat of additional anthrax attacks, the United States Postal Service has announced that it is installing irradiation equipment to sterilize mail. This security measure, which is reasonable in light of the current situation, has prompted questions from several members regarding the possibility of film being damaged or destroyed in the mail. The Postal Service has cited security concerns and is refusing to give specific details about the equipment. However, the Postal Service has said that the irradiation equipment will be similar to that used for food sterilization. Such food sterilization equipment either uses gamma rays or electrons, generated by the radioactive isotope Cobalt-60 and electricity respectively, to destroy bacteria. According to a NASA study obtained by PPA, these types of so-called soft radiation, are also very efficient in transferring energy to photographic film. (NASA Contractor Report 188427, Sept. 1995) While the potential for film damage and fogging will likely depend on the settings and types of equipment used, Professional Photographers of America is urging caution on the part of all members who use the United States Postal Service to ship film.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
I've never had a problem with getting a hand check of roll film in a US airport. I put the film (either in clear cans or NO cans) in a Ziplock bag in my camera bag, then remove the film and hand it to the security guy while sending my camera bag and junk through the scanner. In a flight three weeks ago, where all I carried was my Horizon in a little bag (I was flying to DC to buy a car and drive it back, no luggage), I let that go through, but for the first time they all sent all the junk from my pocket through the scanner (keys, change etc) rather than just handing it through the other side of the the people scanner. Also, the security folks were checking EVERYthing they didn't understand, including looking in my fanny pack for my Palm III.g In the past I've had em look in my camera bag, I guess they're not used to seeing camera bodies and lenses separately.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
From http://www.luminous-landscape.com/mail.htm: The following is a recent (Oct 26) Alert by the PPA (Professional Photographers of America). According to Post Office materials, the USPS is conducting research to ensure that technology used for sanitizing equipment does not cause other problems by damaging sensitive material such as videotapes. However, PPA has not received any concrete assurances from the Post Office that the new equipment will not harm photographic film. When asked if Airborne Express was intent on purchasing irradiation equipment to sanitize parcels, a spokesman for the company stated that he is not specifically aware of the additional equipment that may or may not be purchased, and promised to notify PPA of any developments. He also provided PPA with a copy of a letter sent October 18 to Airborne clients, which notes that since their shipments are traceable to the originating shipper, Airborne Express as well as most cargo carriers would not be a popular target for bioterrorist activity. Federal Express and United Parcel Service have not yet responded to PPA inquiries regarding the use of irradiation equipment. When that information is provided, PPA will notify its members. Several members have asked about the possibility of damage to CDs. According to data from manufacturers, compact discs should be immune to damage from radiation.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
FRom Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/sanitize.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/xRayScanner.shtml
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
I checked UPS' web site and saw nothing about the electron beaming. Got a specific source? |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
Euuuwww, didn't know that. |-Original Message- | | | |Of course the UPS is now electron-beam scanning packages to try and kill |anthrax, and I don't know what effect those things have on films... | | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for security now???
Fuji has posted a warning (http://www.fujifilm.com/filmsafety/xray.pdf) about unprocessed film travelling through airports, I wouldn't buy any film unless they agreed to ship UPS. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Uptown Gallery |Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 1:11 AM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by |anyone for security now??? | | |Hello: | |B4 I bid on any eBay film, does anyone know the possibility of |xray usage in |recent weeks to inspect mail/packages like airports? | |Thanks | |Murray |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film instead of photo paper
I use TMax 100 4x5 in HC110 dilution B, simply cause I have a bunch left from some commercial work. |-Original Message- | |Any one use b/w sheet film that uses 'conventional' developer instead of |paper negatives (other than lith/exotics) ? | |If so, what kind? Maybe 4 x 5 film packs? Anything larger? | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] I am not this body
Barbara Ess: http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/reviews/morris/morris6-4-96.asp http://www.artnet.com/magazine/reviews/ebony/ebony(6)5-19-98.asp http://inside.bard.edu/photo/faculty/ess.html http://www.newschool.edu/infotech/va1/va1f97/SONG.HTM http://www.curtmarcus.com/exhibitions/history_detail.asp?exID=9 I love Google.g Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Ilfochrome
B H Photo Video has the P30 chemistry kit for $46.99, but it says that due to shipping regs they can't ship it at this time, you have to buy in the store. Hmmm. Calumet has it for $41.95 and says nothing about shipping. http://www.calumetphoto.com Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com Don't let your mouth write no check your tail can't cash. - Bo Diddley -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Bill Erickson Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:27 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Ilfochrome I want to use ilfochrome paper for direct positive prints. I have experience with RA-4 processing in a JOBO. I can't seem to find the processing chemicals for ilfochrome in any sort of volumes practical for 'wet lab' home processing. It looks like the chemicals are only packaged in larger quantities designed for roller processers. Anybody with more information?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Subject Line on the Received Messages
If you read the header info in your message below, I have both your address and pinhole-discussion, and can sort it any way I want. BTW, don't confuse Outlook with Outlook Express. OE is the toy program.g |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Mike Vande |Bunt |Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:51 AM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Subject Line on the Received Messages |Importance: High | | |This is not universally true. On my system the From: address |lists the actual list member's address. The Reply To: address |is the one that has the list address in it. I believe that the better |e-mail programs such as Eudora have the capability to sort |incomming mail based on ANY header field, but I don't think |that the built in programs such as Outlook and Netscape Mail |can do that. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Subject Line on the Received Messages
An additional data point: in Outlook I can filter using the From: address, and since all the email comes from pinhole-discussion, it would be easy enough to use that filter, instead of the subject line. I imagine you can set a similar filter in other programs.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Subject Line on the Received Messages
I also use the subject line to filter my mail into different folders, but if the subject line was shortened to just pinhole we'd still have the filtering capabilities and the subject lines would be shorter. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com Don't let your mouth write no check your tail can't cash. - Bo Diddley
RE: [pinhole-discussion] body cap pinhole size and developingTri-X
Yeah, you should really mix your powder stock chemistry the day before and allow to cool. For sheet film I use HC110B, so I'm mixing 1/2 ounce of developer in 15.5 ounces of water. (and not hot) For roll film I use TMax developer at 1:9, so again, only small amounts of developer into the proper temp wanter. I will never use powder chemicals again. |-Original Message- | | | |I had trouble getting the temperature right last time (which was the first |time I'd used my own darkroom and my own chemicals) because the Dektol |developer I used was dry and it says to mix some of it with hot water so it |can dissolve completely. Maybe I should just try to get some liquid |developer and do what you said with the water at the right temperature? |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] body cap pinhole size and developing Tri-X
For film, I would worry about the developer temp but not so much on the time. A decent thermometer will take care of that. Get a large container (like a half gallon) and fill that with water at the temperature you need, then mix the chemistry from that and develop. (that gives you more than enough for one shot developer, a prewet tray if you use that, and stop bath or whatever else you may need to mix) Not sure what your developing time is, I do TMax 100 in HC110B for 7.5 minutes, you can count that off, or use a clock. If you get a cheap quartz wall clock, you can fix some glow in the dark tape to the tips of the minute and second hands, stick a piece on the 12 and on wherever you want to count down from, and you have a darkroom timer. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com Don't let your mouth write no check your tail can't cash. - Bo Diddley |-Original Message- | | |Also, in my bathroom-darkroom I've only dealt with developing RC paper |negatives and prints. I just made a camera that will use 4x5 film |backs and |I'm wondering if I should try using Tri-X film instead of paper. Am I |correct that I have to develop the film in complete darkness? No safelight |right? If so, I guess I have to get a better timer and worry more |about the |temperature of the developer - so far the developer temp has been way off |and i've been leaving paper in the developer until it looks right. I guess |that's out with film, huh? |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Slides from negeative?
I have made slides from black and white negs (I presume you meant that) by using a slide duplicator and Techpan film processed to high (but not maximum) contrast in HC110. Results were good, but if you need burning and dodging, then this is not the best method. Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com Don't let your mouth write no check your tail can't cash. - Bo Diddley |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of |jmeyerh...@aol.com |Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:35 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Slides from negeative? | | |Hi Everyone, |Is it possible to make a slide from a negative? Would it be better than |making a slide from a finished print? |IE; better shadow areas/ |Thanks, i know this is not a direct pinhole question, but you |folks know so |much i thought I would ask. |take care |jm | |___ |Pinhole-Discussion mailing list |Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? |unsubscribe or change your account at |http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Lights across the sky, Tues 18 September 2001
It's a hoax. Sorry. http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blvigil.htm Mike Keller http://www.mikekellerphoto.com Don't let your mouth write no check your tail can't cash. - Bo Diddley |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Kosinski |Family |Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:04 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lights across the sky, Tues 18 |September 2001 | | | |just heard from a friend that the U.S. has asked everyone to step |out on their lawns tonight at 10:30 and light a candle. They will |be taking |a |satellite picture and posting it on the news tomorrow morning. |10:30 PM EASTERN TIME 9:30 Central, 8:30 Mountain, 7:30 Pacific | |please forward | |Jim K | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] my pinhole camera mask
What are the chances that you could slip some film into the mask and take pictures during the exhibit? | |Hey, | |Check this out when you get a chance... |http://www.rahji.com/maskshow.php3 |I won't write anything here since I pretty much wrote everything on the |webpage anyway. :) | |Thanks |Rob. | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
There was an article in today's NY Times online (free, just subscribe) about a retrospective exhibit of Hockney. Synchronicity? Michael Keller www.mikekellerphoto.com |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Colin Talcroft |Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:30 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours | | |I'll keep this short, as it is off-topic, but artist |David Hockney did a lot of work in the 80s (I think) |using color copiers and this is believed to be more or |less permanent. However, at the time it was already |clear that some copiers were much better than others |regarding permanency. An Internet search into Hockney |and this body of work would likely lead to more |info--or the library. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Remember that pinhole swap...
Yes, I must apologize profusely. I'm still getting prints as well, and haven't sent mine out (I haven't got a self-portrait I cared for). Sorrysorrysorry.g |-Original Message- | | |I'm involved in all 3 groups and I'm still receiving prints. |Group 1 is still expecting my selfportrait and should get it sometime in |July. |The experience has really been wonderful and I hope it will be repeated. |It might be worth opening a gallery for those who did'nt get a chance to |participate. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] 8x10 Macro Pinhole
With pinhole you should still think of the focal length in the same manner as you would a lens, so for 8x10 a 12 (300mm) lens would be normal.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] another new photo
|-Original Message- |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of G.Penate | | |- Original Message - |From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net | | | I've been on this airplane.USAir isn't it? 8o). | Great shot | |My first impression was Enola Gay | Memphis Belle. He was the waist gunner.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] new image upload
Very ethereal, I like these a lot. BTW, Tinachair got uploaded twice.g |-Original Message- | | |Hello all- |I have uploaded 5 hand coloured zone plate images to the list page under |Tina. These are all 35 mm taken with a zone plate made by |Guillermo, using |Delta 3200 film. All exposures hand held. | |http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/ | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help me Keep on Pinholin'!!!
Good luck Tom, may the Deity be with you.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Bodily orifices pinhole photography
That's GREAT! But he misspelled Guinness. |-Original Message- | |In the mean time, I found this page I've never seem before: |http://www.progression.co.uk/new-art/new-artvi.html |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] thankyou (and New Site?)
Wow, some nice stuff there! Thanks for the link. |-Original Message- | | |http://www.home.aone.net.au/greatdivide | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] lesson plan
Rather than making a camera from scratch, I'd suggest they make cameras from found objects (like boxes and cans, etc) which is both easier and more imaginative (what kind of image will THIS box give me?). They can move to custom design cameras afterward.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] using digital camera
I dunno. Seriously, digital is just different in some ways than film. As a photographer that uses both, I argue both sides of the digital vs film argument.g |-Original Message- | | |Why do you suppose that is? | |Pam | |Michael Keller wrote: | | I've used a zone plate on a Nikon D1. Not real thrilled with my |results, but | I think it's just me. With digital, long exposures can lead to increased | noise in the shadows. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Scope Works site
Great stuff. But one problem: neworleans2.jpg doesn't come up in the images section.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] using digital camera
I've used a zone plate on a Nikon D1. Not real thrilled with my results, but I think it's just me. With digital, long exposures can lead to increased noise in the shadows.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] HELP!!!
Was that incompetent or incontinent?g |-Original Message- | | |The incompetent Mr. THough348 has been escorted out the rear door. Sorry |for the interruption. |
RE: Please vote ! was Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...
|-Original Message- | | |I guess we should have included a fill-in-the-blank option. :) | Oh please, God, no!
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD Steering Committee more info
Pam, are you volunteering to be on the steering committee? Or are you waiting to volunteer for another committee? I'm sure the makeup of the committee is entirely accidental, but a message was sent asking for folks to volunteer. Obviously, many didn't.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] (no subject)
Please read the bottom of the email for instructions on removing yourself. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Cathy Marzola |Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 9:15 AM |To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] (no subject) | | |Please take me off the list I don't want anymore emails | | |___ |Pinhole-Discussion mailing list |Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? |unsubscribe or change your account at |http://www.p at ???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Uploads
|-Original Message- | |http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/ssellers_gas.jpg | Nice pics, but i think this one is flopped. GAS is backward.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] images at last
Wow! I love these! -Original Message- http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/pinholeinterior.jpg http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/pinholelori.jpg they are taken with a 4x5 polaroid back with a cardboard box taped on the front and type 55 film. the figures are cutouts placed in dioramas or in front of painted backdrops. comments welcome.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD Logo
Since everyone else has taken a turn, take a look at http://www.wvsbha.org/wwpd.jpg
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD Logo
Picture's too sharp for a pinhole.g |-Original Message- | | |I just came up with a logo for World Pinhole Photography Day, you |can see it |at http://www.jameskellar.com/wppdlogo.jpg. What does every one think?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Happy Pinholer's Day
I'd rather be shooting pinholes than paying taxes. Besides, since it's Sunday, taxes aren't due til Monday this year. |-Original Message- | | |I did a bit of research and the birthdate of Leonardo da Vinci was April |15th 1452. The only problem I see is that is when taxes are due here in the |states. Other than that I think of no reason to pick another date. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Happy Pinholer's Day
No no! I want Leonardo's birthday!
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Happy Pinholer's Day
I have yet another suggestion, which is not out of line for the dates we've been discussing. We could use the date of Leonardo da Vinci's birthday, April 15, 1452. Oooh, Tax Day in the US!g But also a SUNDAY this year.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Non-stop pinholes
OK, how'd you do that photo?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] no more multiformat mime messages
You also need to make sure that your reply is always plain text, even if the original message is HTML. Often whole threads of HTML get going because everyone uses their default reply setup.
[pinhole-discussion] RE: crazy pinhole stories
I passed along the airport story to my friend that does Cirkut pictures. (these are the large, rotating camera panoramics, each shot is a 10x6' sheet of film) He once took his camera to Central America and experienced airport difficulties, since the films are rolled in tubes that look like dynamite.g This was his reply: I would love to know where he was when he had the problem. Small airports with clueless bored security people seem to be the worst. My worst problems were in Charleston (WV) and Rapid City SD. In Managua they know just what a gun looks like, what a bomb looks like and what to do about them. They don't hassle the rest of us. This is not always the case of course. I have a recollection that Abbas Shirmohammadi was all set up to do a Cirkut shot of Clinton's last Inauguration and the security bozos made him take the cirkut cameras down. He shot with a Noblex but the pic was kinda crummy.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] swap
I have particpated in beer swaps online before, and the way we did it was to create the list, and each individual sent to TWO other people on the list, in a sort of round robin way. That way, each person received something from two others, and only had to ship two packages. Is this supposed to be a swap or a moving portfolio? If the latter, everyone could create say three prints (or as many as you want, but plan for multiple portfolios) and then ship all to one person. The list is divided into three groups based on location. That person assembles the three packages and ships to the first three people. Each portfolio keeps traveling, but only within its geographic area. For instance, maybe one for Europe, one for Eastern North America, another for Western NA. This would make the portfolios travel faster, everyone gets to share the expense of shipping at least once. The only question is what to do with the prints afterward. Now if it's truly a swap, where we give prints away, I suggest we borrow from my beer exchange technique (although we can send to more people if we want, since prints are easier to ship than beer!g).
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Print swap WAS December Mailing
I'd like to join this fun.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole movie
Actually, in my junior year in high school in 1970 we did something like this. The art teacher had obtained some lengths of clear 16mm film, and exposed black 16mm film. We cut it up and gave it to various class members to draw, scratch, color at will. One guy's dad had some 16mm Korean War film, so we edited scenes of flamethrowers attacking bunkers and lines of POWs in with our orginal artwork. Taped some garage band rock and roll to play behind it, and the whole class had a blast. (literally) Gosh, I just realized how artistically uptight I am in my old age! Anyway, there is a genre of experimental film in which the artists just lays the film out and stamps, paints, and scratches it, then processes it sloppily and awaits the surprises in projection. Film frames are ignored. Registration is ignored. In this spirit I am making a pinhole movie with a cardboard box. My stamped images will fall hither and thither and jump around the screen upon projection.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] cracker images
Pumpkin would transmit light through its sides, although if you used photo paper which isn't sensitive to orange light... |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Andy Schmitt |Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:33 AM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] cracker images | | |I figure we could make an almost completely organic camera by hollowing out |a watermelon or a giant pumpkin.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] 35 mm slides
I suggest using Ektachrome 64 Tungsten, EPY 64. But I photograph artwork for artists a lot, both in my job at a museum, and privately, and I use Ektachrome 100VC and two White Lightning strobes with umbrellas. Fine grain counts. I agree, they should be as good as you can make them. Crop in as close as you can to the work (if it's framed/matted, minimize the amount of mat that shows), they want to see the work as big as possible. -Original Message- Normally they want a 35mm COPIES of your work. You can do this using some Photofloods and Kodak 35mm Ektachrome 160T (Tungsten) film. They should be as good as you can make them.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] 35 mm slides
Art show jurying by slides is becoming widespread, so you need to know how to do this. Make a good print of your work first. If you have a copystand, that's the easiest way to shoot it, but basically you want to set up two matching lights, of proper color temperature, at 45 degree angles to the work. Then using film that matches the color temp of the lights, meter a grey card, than photograph the work. I alays advise artists, who think their slides shot under available light with reflections, glare or mismatched color are acceptable, that the jurors are judging their slide, not the work.Th e slide has to look right. -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of larry fratkin Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:55 AM To: pinhole Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 35 mm slides I want to enter a photo contest in which they want a 35mm slide. How do you go about doing this? Does the slide have to be top quality or do you just shoot it with your 35mm camera?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Monthly newsletter
|-Original Message- | |BTW It looks like we are going to keep the monthly mailing. The vote is |about 30 to 1, in favor. I'm glad that the vote was not as close as the |Bush, Gore vote. I'd hate to count all the dimples. | Yeah, can you imagine all of us cramming our faces on our scanners so you could check for dimples? (no, pinhole self-portraits would be inaccurate, your pinhole might have some hanging chad)
RE: [pinhole-discussion] math
But did you eat your pinhole afterward? |-Original Message- | | | |comparison with previous results. I'm building another cardboard box camera |which will allow for interchangeable cracker-pinholes, and them |I'm going to |photograph food with food. Results to follow. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] READ THIS ONE- Studio Photography
Because reciprocity failure comes about in accumulated exposure. 100 pops of a flash is accumulated exposure in the same way that 100 seconds of continuous exposure is. My experience is that you need to account for some reciprocity failure. |-Original Message- | | | |Why would reciprocity failure even be a problem? It occurs when there are |very long exposure times. I beleive even the slowest flashes on the market |are much faster than 1/1000 of a sec, so even if you flashed 100 times, it |would still be less than 1/10 of a sec, which is in the |reciprocity range of |most films. Failure would not be a problem. If I am wrong, please correct |me, I've never tried it, this is just what 'popped' into my head. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] READ THIS ONE- Studio Photography
|-Original Message- | | Ideally if you can get your meter to read F-45 you are doing good. This | whole bit about doubling your number of flashes to add an extra stop is | nonsense. Everytime that you flash the strobes you add an extra stop of | light. Lets say that I set up my lights and get a meter reading of F-45. | Lets count: F-45, F-60, F-90, F-128 That equals 4. You have to be kidding, right? In regular shutter speeds, let's see, 1/30 is twice the exposure of 1/60. 1/15 is twice the exposure of 1/30, or FOUR times the exposure of 1/60. 1/8 is twice 1/15, or FOUR times 1/30, or EIGHT times 1/60. Now you pop your flash once. That's 1/60. You pop it twice, that's 1/30. If you pop it three times, that's NOT 1/15. You need FOUR pops to make 1/15, and EIGHT pops to make 1/8. Every change in stop is 1/2 or twice the exposure of the previous stop. When kids ask me what they need to know to be a good photographer, I tell them Math!
RE: [pinhole-discussion] studio photography / flash
On large format, I've used multiple flashes many times to get F/32 or smaller in a studio. If your pinhole is effectively f200 or something, you will certainly need multiple flashes. If you have a flashmeter, just read the light as normal, extrapolate out to your real f/stop (double the flashes for every f/stop change, see below*), darken the room, turn out the modeling light(!), find a comfy chair and some sunglasses, and start popping and counting.g Plan to add some pops at the end because of reciprocity. *If your flashmeter reads one flash at f/16 (for your ISO), and your pinhole is f/250, that's 8 stops, so it's 2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256 pops! |-Original Message- | | |Andrew, | | Do I need to fire the flash multiple times during the exposure? | |Never tried flash + pinhole yet, but would like to use my lighting |equipment for that purpose too. Just never asked so far, so your |question comes in handy. | | ...who has experimented in this area. Have a great day. | |Let's hope for competent support. | |Erich | | |http://www.fotair.de |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] information please
As webmaster for my state agency's site, I really have to comment that this sounds like many of the queries I receive via email after some teacher has given an assignment. Instead of making an open-ended request like that (everything?), why don't you do a search on pinhole photography at http://www.raging.com (be sure to click on exact phrase) and see what you find? I came up with over 1700 pages.g Once you've scanned that and have some specific questions (like what's this mean?), come back and join the discussion. |-Original Message- | |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] information please | | |I am a year 10 pupil at Chelmer Valley High School and am doing a project o |pinhole cameras. Please could everyone send me information regarding any |aspect on pinhole cameras. |e-mail it to cm7...@yahoo.co.uk |thanks Ruth Boatwright | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: motion picture, registration, basicpinhole info
Photography with movie film is the same as photography with a still camera, it's still a function of film speed vs f/stop (aperture) vs shutter speed. Usually, movie cameras are set for one shutter speed, so the f/stop is set based on film speed (and perhaps adjusted by neutral density filters if they wish there was less light). So OK, in this case you'll have a fixed f/stop, so you need to determine the shutter speed. What's the film's ISO? You're f/stop won't be 2, it will be more like 1/300 or something. There are calculators online where you can figure out the time exposure for that f/stop, all you need to do is light the scene and use your regular still camera as a light meter to get a starting exposure (which you then extrapolate out with the calculator). If you're experienced you can also do the extrapolation in your head, but I'm not getting that impression from your posts.g As for making an animated film, you're going to need a box that simulates a real movie camera, with chambers for the feed and take up reel and the film passing through a gate that will keep the registered and not expose adjoining frames. That's the tricky part, but if you are using 16mm film, how many sprocket holes to a frame, one? If you had something inside that clicked as a sprocket hole passed over it, you could get a rough registration, the same way a Watson bulk film loader clicks every eight sprockets to let you know you've loaded one frame of 35mm film. This sounds real interesting, if you get this even close to being off the ground, I have an animation teacher friend that would be interested to hear about it. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Bernard P |Roddy |Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 6:30 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: motion picture, registration, |basicpinhole info | | |Ed: With humble gratitude to all on the list, I must confess I can't |imagine measuring a pinhole to the thousandths of an inch. You are right |that a Bolex with a pinhole would work wonderfully, too. I guess I was |hoping to bypass the need for a Bolex. I did build the camera. It |actually required that I buy a $1.50 needle and .79 of dowel rod, no more. |I had a shipping box, etc., lying around. Part of the charm for me is |making this film with as few resources as possible (and few indeed do I |have). My only experience with pinhole photography was one summer as a |child, an art class. I still remember setting the box down on a rock. |But to address the practical matters, you may be right about the |difference between pulling film around a dowel that is bare and pulling it |around a dowel with 50 ft of film on it. Perhaps I can just do a test of |the whole 100 ft and make whatever adjustment I discover is needed. But |also, suppose I have determined the f-stop I need. (Stop me if I should |just read a certain book everyone has.) How does this translate into |exposure time? I realize the f-stop is determined by the focal length and |the hole diameter. Suppose it is 2. Does that mean expose for 2 seconds? |My humble thanks. |Bernie | |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] black tape
I've entirely forgotten what we want the black tape for!g If it's to assemble and light-tight a camera, I've used the black masking tape, usually called Photo Tape. It works well (I've used it to replace the hinge tape on film holders too). |-Original Message- | | |what are people's thoughts on black paper tape? Wendy Garfinkel |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] black tape
If it's for inside a camera, you want to make sure it's not the shiny black tape. |-Original Message- | | |Actually, there is no cloth electrician's tape because cloth is |flammable. |But if you go to an electrician's supplier you can get extra wide black |vinyl tape (up to 2 inches wide). There are lots of these suppliers around, |even in the middle of nowhere. |
RE: [pinhole-discussion] black tape
Check photo supply stores and web sites, also film/video locations, for black gaffer tape. |-Original Message- | |Boy, I'd sure like to know where to find that tape. I have combed all |the hardware stores in my region for such and have found only very |narrow (says 1/2 but looks more like 3/8 inches) plastic tape, which |I've been told is the only electrician's tape available any more to my |outlets. I've also used every roll of black duct tape within fifty |miles, and again I'm told that they can't order more because black duct |tape is no longer available.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
But it has more color neg film profiles than the s/w that came with my Polaroid Sprintscan 35+, which is a dedicated 35mm film scanner. As for the Agfa hardware, seems to be cruising along with no problems. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jeff Spirer | | |Yes, but it would have been nice if they had provided a profile for their |own Ultra 50. I found the profiles useless because it's the only color |film I shoot. Until I ran into their lack of support, I found it odd that |they would include profiles for all their films except one. | | |
[pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
At the office I have the Agfa scanner Gregg mentioned, it's a Duoscan T1200. Comes with good scan s/w, scans transparent up to 8x10, reflective to 8.5x14. The s/w even has profiles for some color negs materials, something you don't often find in flatbed scanner s/w. The nice thing about the duoscan system is that the lid on the reflective bad still holds artwork flat. When I added a transparency adapter to my Umax sxanner, because of the airpsace between the lid and bed, it no longer flattened against reflective artwork.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] posting of images to the list?
What happens to the digest version when you post an image? I imagine it sucks.g There's also the problem of the image being left in peoples' replies back to the list. I suggest images be left out of emails.
