Scanning Negatives
>Hello! > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? >Are other people here scanning negatives to >create positive "prints" for web pages?
Re: Scanning Negatives
Jeff, I've had a Microtek Scanmaker 4 for a year or two and have been very pleased with what it can do with film. It combines a conventional flatbed above the scan light with a transparency shelf below the scan light. In the software you pick whether you scan above or below. For the transparency shelf, you get a glass holder with the scanner, and there are optional glassless holders for 4x5, 120, 35 film, and 35 mounted slides. I not only scan 4x5's for the web, but also down to 35mm for the web. I also scan 4x5 negatives and transparencies for making up to 13 x 19 inch prints which I prefer over my chemically processed prints of the same negatives. The scanner and printer were a bit pricey, but have replaced my 4x5 enlarger. I believe Agfa has a similar model to the Scanmaker 4, and there may be newer models and other brands now, but I'm not aware of them. - Gregg At 06:40 PM 9/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello! > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? >Are other people here scanning negatives to >create positive "prints" for web pages? _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ???
[pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives
> >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > >create positive "prints" for web pages? There is not really a difference between scanning a b/w neg or a b/w pos as they are not masked. You can just scan them positive and invert them in Photoshop. Greetings Brahma
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives
> > > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > > > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > > > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? > > > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > > > >create positive "prints" for web pages? Brahma wrote: > > There is not really a difference between scanning a b/w neg or a b/w > > pos as they are not masked. You can just scan them positive and > > invert them in Photoshop. Mike Vande Bunt wrote: > This is mostly correct, but not quite. > > Scanning a b/w negative in a scanner designed for reflective scanning > only will not produce as good a scan as using a scanner designed for > scanning transparencies. The problen is that in a reflective scanner, > the scanner "sees" the scanner pressure plate through the clear areas > of the negative. Because these pressure plates are never a "perfect" > white, the contrast of the negative scan is reduced. The contrast can > be adjusted after the scan, but this will not restore the dynamic > range of the original. > > This is why transparency scanner that passes light through the > negative will produce a much better scan than a reflective scanner. Mike is right, of course. I've been using a drum scanner for so long and wasn't aware that there might still be scanners designed only for reflective originals. Naturally there is a big difference between scanning a b/w film negative and a b/w reflective positive, but there is no difference between scanning a b/w neg or a b/w pos. Brahma
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives
That's about the price range for the Dusocan T1200. There's also a way to make a miniature transparency adapter for a standard flatbed scanner. Not great, but it does work, and in fact, HP made one that came with some cheap scanners. There's instructions somewhere on the Net about how to make this gadget. It looks like a little tent, with reflective material inside, that sits over your slide. (Guess you could make something bigger for 4x5). The trick is that the base has to be twice the short side of your neg. It catches the light through the open portion of the base, and reflects it back down through the neg into the scanner. Might be worth an experiment. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jeff Dilcher |Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 3:11 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives | | |Thanks for all the comments. I tried, just for the heck of it, to |scan on a plain reflective scanner, with pretty miserable results. | |If anyone else has any good brands/models to look for, let me know. |Unfortunately, my wallet runs dry at around $500 - $600. | | |
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Scanning Negatives
Hi. I just bought a UMAX 2200. It will sca 81/2x11 prints or up to 4x5 transparencies. Works good for B&W negs if they are not too dense. Doesnt really have the resolution for 35mm but 2 1/4x2 1/4 is pretty good. It is supposed to do 42bit color and 12 bit B&W but I havn't been able to make mine work. I just uploaded new images from my new Leonardo 3" sacnned by the UMAX http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/. Look for: rheather1,2,3,4 Richard Heather Jeff Dilcher wrote: > >Hello! > > > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > >create positive "prints" for web pages? > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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Thanks for all the comments. I tried, just for the heck of it, to scan on a plain reflective scanner, with pretty miserable results. If anyone else has any good brands/models to look for, let me know. Unfortunately, my wallet runs dry at around $500 - $600.
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lva wrote: > > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? > > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > > >create positive "prints" for web pages? > > There is not really a difference between scanning a b/w neg or a b/w pos > as they are not masked. You can just scan them positive and invert them > in Photoshop. > > Greetings > > Brahma > This is mostly correct, but not quite. Scanning a b/w negative in a scanner designed for reflective scanning only will not produce as good a scan as using a scanner designed for scanning transparencies. The problen is that in a reflective scanner, the scanner "sees" the scanner pressure plate through the clear areas of the negative. Because these pressure plates are never a "perfect" white, the contrast of the negative scan is reduced. The contrast can be adjusted after the scan, but this will not restore the dynamic range of the original. This is why transparency scanner that passes light through the negative will produce a much better scan than a reflective scanner. Mike Vande Bunt
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I use a polaroid sprintscan45, a medium and large format negative scanner. I have found that I have difficulty with the density range of BW negatives, often getting washed out highlights no matter what sort of rain dance I do. I only get really good results with BW if I aim for flat negatives. I don't know if the same circumstance holds for the other scanners people mention. - Original Message - From: lva To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:14 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives > > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing exist? > > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > > >create positive "prints" for web pages? > > > There is not really a difference between scanning a b/w neg or a b/w pos > as they are not masked. You can just scan them positive and invert them > in Photoshop. > > Greetings > > Brahma > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
At the office I have the Agfa scanner Gregg mentioned, it's a Duoscan T1200. Comes with good scan s/w, scans transparent up to 8x10, reflective to 8.5x14. The s/w even has profiles for some color negs materials, something you don't often find in flatbed scanner s/w. The nice thing about the duoscan system is that the lid on the reflective bad still holds artwork flat. When I added a transparency adapter to my Umax sxanner, because of the airpsace between the lid and bed, it no longer flattened against reflective artwork.
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Scanning Negatives
Just wanted to second Gregg's opinion about the Microtek Scanmaker 4. I have one and use it much the same way that he does. I, too, have been very pleased with mine. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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Leslie Green wrote: > Richard, > > Is the resolution we see exactly what the scanner gave > you? Seems pretty low, too digital. > > I loved #3. I'm into water and boats these days. > > Leslie > No the res is low for web speed and jpeg compression. I have posted 3b at 300 dpi http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/rheather3b.jpg and 3c at 1200 dpi http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/rheather3c.jpg They are also jpeg compressed. Full frame B&W 4x5 @1200 dpi is a 25mb file Richard Heather >
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Richard, Is the resolution we see exactly what the scanner gave you? Seems pretty low, too digital. I loved #3. I'm into water and boats these days. Leslie --- Richard Heather wrote: > Hi. I just bought a UMAX 2200. It will sca 81/2x11 > prints or up to 4x5 > transparencies. Works good for B&W negs if they are > not too dense. > Doesnt really have the resolution for 35mm but 2 > 1/4x2 1/4 is pretty > good. It is supposed to do 42bit color and 12 bit > B&W but I havn't been > able to make mine work. > I just uploaded new images from my new Leonardo 3" > sacnned by the UMAX > http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/. > Look for: > rheather1,2,3,4 > Richard Heather > > Jeff Dilcher wrote: > > > >Hello! > > > > > >I was thinking of upgrading my scanner, and was > > >hoping to get a unit that might be capable of > > >scanning 4x5 (b&w) negatives. Does such a thing > exist? > > >Are other people here scanning negatives to > > >create positive "prints" for web pages? > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
Is this the same thing as the Linotype Ultra Saphir II, or is it a newer model? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives > New scanners with greater DMax are appearing all the time, but I recommend > the Linotype 1400. It now comes with both reflective and transparency > targets; the Linocolor software, while requiring some study, is excellent; > and Linotypes tech support is second to none. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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The UMAX was selling for $169 at officemax, $149 at the UMAX website and $110-299 on C-net's comparison shopping page. I ordered (also $20 rebate) from Computers4SURE.com and received the scanner the next day! Also lots of software: Net Objects Fusion($299), Photoshop LE, OCR etc. If you need the software you can't beat the deal. Richard Heather "Lists (sldb)" wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Richard Heather wrote: > > > Hi. I just bought a UMAX 2200. It will sca 81/2x11 prints or up to 4x5 > > transparencies. Works good for B&W negs if they are not too dense. > > Doesnt really have the resolution for 35mm but 2 1/4x2 1/4 is pretty > > good. It is supposed to do 42bit color and 12 bit B&W but I havn't been > > able to make mine work. > > I just uploaded new images from my new Leonardo 3" sacnned by the UMAX > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/. > > Look for: > > rheather1,2,3,4 > > Richard Heather > > > > Also take a look at the Epson 1200up. It is also a > flatbed,81/2x11, and 1200X2400 optical resolution. It comes with a > transparency adapter that will do up to 4x5, and it lists for 299$ I just > put one out for my students,So far it looks good for 6x6 and up. > jeff > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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I don't think any flatbed scanner is a good solution for scanning 35mm. It's just too big of a compromise. I thought one would be OK for scanning to web, but after using a 35mm film scanner, it's not adequate anymore. |-Original Message- |From: Colin Talcroft [mailto:ctalcr...@yahoo.com] |Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:46 AM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Scanning Negatives | | |Just a word, for what it's worth, I said in an earlier |message that I had a Microtek Scanmaker 4 that I am |very happy with. I should point out that I started by |buying an inexpensive Umax scanner. I took that back |to the store the same day because it just wasn't |adequate for 35mm. I don't think this is a Umax issue, |its just that the machines in that price range are |limited, I feel. In my opinion, you would in the end |be much happier waiting and getting a better scanner |rather than being disappointed by an inexpensive one |that just doesn't match the performance of a stronger |machine. | |
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Scanning Negatives
> > Also take a look at the Epson 1200up. It is also a > flatbed,81/2x11, and 1200X2400 optical resolution. It comes with a > transparency adapter that will do up to 4x5, and it lists for 299$ I just > put one out for my students,So far it looks good for 6x6 and up. > jeff I also own a Epson 1200u, and have found it a very good scanner for the price. I haven't tried to scan 35mm but the results I have gotten on larger negs have been great. You can check out some of my lasted scans at: http://www.james.kellar.com/wille.jpg and http://www.james.kellar.com/wille.jpg. james
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Just a word, for what it's worth, I said in an earlier message that I had a Microtek Scanmaker 4 that I am very happy with. I should point out that I started by buying an inexpensive Umax scanner. I took that back to the store the same day because it just wasn't adequate for 35mm. I don't think this is a Umax issue, its just that the machines in that price range are limited, I feel. In my opinion, you would in the end be much happier waiting and getting a better scanner rather than being disappointed by an inexpensive one that just doesn't match the performance of a stronger machine. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Scanning Negatives
On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Richard Heather wrote: > Hi. I just bought a UMAX 2200. It will sca 81/2x11 prints or up to 4x5 > transparencies. Works good for B&W negs if they are not too dense. > Doesnt really have the resolution for 35mm but 2 1/4x2 1/4 is pretty > good. It is supposed to do 42bit color and 12 bit B&W but I havn't been > able to make mine work. > I just uploaded new images from my new Leonardo 3" sacnned by the UMAX > http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/. > Look for: > rheather1,2,3,4 > Richard Heather > Also take a look at the Epson 1200up. It is also a flatbed,81/2x11, and 1200X2400 optical resolution. It comes with a transparency adapter that will do up to 4x5, and it lists for 299$ I just put one out for my students,So far it looks good for 6x6 and up. jeff
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But it has more color neg film profiles than the s/w that came with my Polaroid Sprintscan 35+, which is a dedicated 35mm film scanner. As for the Agfa hardware, seems to be cruising along with no problems. |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jeff Spirer | | |Yes, but it would have been nice if they had provided a profile for their |own Ultra 50. I found the profiles useless because it's the only color |film I shoot. Until I ran into their lack of support, I found it odd that |they would include profiles for all their films except one. | | |
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
New scanners with greater DMax are appearing all the time, but I recommend the Linotype 1400. It now comes with both reflective and transparency targets; the Linocolor software, while requiring some study, is excellent; and Linotypes tech support is second to none.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: Scanning Negatives
At 08:50 PM 9/16/00, Michael Keller wrote: At the office I have the Agfa scanner Gregg mentioned, it's a Duoscan T1200. This isn't a bad scanner, but pray that you never need support from Agfa. They lost any possibility of future sales with their inability to provide me with even minimal support (that I ended up offering to pay for, and still didn't get) made me abandon the scanner. The s/w even has profiles for some color negs materials Yes, but it would have been nice if they had provided a profile for their own Ultra 50. I found the profiles useless because it's the only color film I shoot. Until I ran into their lack of support, I found it odd that they would include profiles for all their films except one. Jeff Spirer Photos: http://www.spirer.com One People: http://www.onepeople.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Scanning Negatives-Umax scanner
I have a umax ASTRA 1200s scanner. Is this a reflective scanner/ thanks-JM
