Make KDE more accessible - Registration for Randa Meetings ends soon
Good morning dear KDE contributor As the registration [1] for the Randa Meetings 2017 ends soon: Sunday, 16th of September 2017, 23.59 UTC, I wanted to remind you about this years topic: Make KDE more accessible. Please help us with this challenge and read more about it [2]. If there are any questions don't hesitate to ping me (unormal) on IRC or mail me. Hope to see you soon Mario PS: And don't forget to go to https://reimbursements.kde.org if you need travel support. [1] https://events.kde.org [2] https://randa-meetings.ch/2017/06/16/randa-meetings-2017-make-kde-more-accessible/
Re: Plasma Vision v 2.0
Am Sonntag, 11. Juni 2017, 23:20:52 CEST schrieb Jens Reuterberg: Morning Good vision and thanks everybody for working on it. > Thanks :) > > I tried to find a different, less convuluted way of saying "different > distros" - that also tied in other devices beyond laptops and stationary. > > If you have a better wording I would love to have it - I can't think of one > single word that better fits the need. What about "Our motivation is that we enable actual work to happen, across devices, across different platforms, using any application needed." griits Mario
Re: Plasma 5.10 video NOT FINAL
Am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2017, 22:51:19 CEST schrieb Łukasz Sawicki: > Hi, Morning Łukasz > Here is a Plasma 5.10 video NOT FINAL yet ;). Feel free to post your > opinions, comments etc about it. I don't plan any radical changes but > I can still tweak it a bit if there will be such a need. > > https://youtu.be/AtI2DcA70bY Great work indeed. Thanks. Just a small hint oder question: At the beginning of the video the two top left icons seem to jump to the right. Is that intended or a glitch? > Cheers > Łukasz Thanks Mario
Accessibility at Randa Meetings 2017
Morning guys With some of you I already talked about this topic but most of you I missed at QtCon or elsewhere. In short: I'd like improve the accessibility of our software and for this task I'd like to have at least some of you in Randa. But before we can continue with the details of the organization and how we plan to tackle this problem we need to find a date: http://doodle.com/poll/x5ysdghp8s8d3cer As we plan to close this date selection this Wednesday I need to ask for a bit of hurry. So please add yourself if you'd like to come. Thanks and cu Mario
Spread to more platforms - Randa Meetings 2016 open for registration
Good morning everyone I'd really love to see some of you guys working on Plasma Mobile and its components. Our topic: multi-platform end-user application development. This includes stuff like improving KDE Frameworks 5 (KF5) on other platforms like MS Windows, Android or Apple’s MacOSX, presenting and discussing how software distribution works on other systems than GNU/Linux (Windows installers, app stores and application bundles) and learning from the experience projects like Krita, digiKam, Rkward, Kdenlive & Co collected. We’d like to bring this information to more KDE Applications and work on this during a full week. So if you're interested and can help please go to: https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/301 and add yourself. And spread this information and tell people that could be of great help. Don't hesitate to contact me for further information. Thanks and cu soon Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [plasma-devel] Re: 5.5 video
Am Tuesday 08 December 2015, 09.21:05 schrieb Lucas S: > Hi, Morning Lucas > -Fixed a typo "managment" => "management". > > Thanks for spotting this > > Link > https://youtu.be/3wFTo34mCj0 So you're video is in the announcement and I wanted to tel you: thanks a lot for your work and constructive work with the criticism. Hope to see much more of your work in the future! Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: 5.5 video
Am Monday 07 December 2015, 06.56:53 schrieb Lucas S: > Hi Morning Lucas > Thanks for all comments. I think that I fixed most (all?) remaining issues. > > - Improved visibility of the text by adding black transparent > background and by moving to the beginning of the sequences > - Fixed a typo > - Added 2 more activities so filtering looks more natural now. (With > more than 5 activities there is a scrollbar visible, which looks kinda > out of place) > - Removed a window with activities settings > - Improved muon part (cropped "freedom") > - Added simple fade in/fade out effect for the first and last title > (but still think that 3d dissolving animation looked the best ;)) > > Link: > https://youtu.be/DsSyPpHS6HI Looks nice. Thanks a lot. One last nitpick from my side: - The appearance of the overlays texts and the some scene cuts at roughly the same time should be more synchronous. Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: 5.5 video
Am Monday 07 December 2015, 16.30:26 schrieb Lucas S: > Hi, Morning > - Added simple cross fade effect between the end of the sequences and the > titles > > Link > https://youtu.be/WZWmtAohp7s Found another typo: - 1.42: "managment" => "management" Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Urgent: Google Code-In tasks needed
Morning What about asking students to make each a video to explain the setup and use of a single Plasma feature. Simple tasks. For people that have never seen Plasma or don't know about all the features. I mean really the "simple" stuff: - Digital clock: setup (add plasmoid somewhere), features and usage - User Switcher: setup, features and usage - Panels: setup, features and usage - ... We'd need new tasks by tomorrow. Anybody willing to mentor and add them? ping valorie, nightrose or bshah on IRC. Let's show the power of Plasma via short videos. They could be redone (new releases) every year at GCI? Nice weekend wishes Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: 5.5 video
Am Thursday 03 December 2015, 11.02:45 schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > Updated video > > https://youtu.be/AAPE_G-FVBc Looks nice. Some remarks: - Overlay text at 0:09 has a typo: "Enahanced" => "Enhanced" - Filtering of activities doesn't really make sense with 3 of them... - Overlay text at 0:58. Badly readable, mostly at the windows borders - At 1:40: why is "Freedom" cropped in Muon? - At 1:43: same problems with overlay text (readability) Take this as constructive feedback. I like the work and hope to see more videos of this kind for all the great Plasma features. Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Am Montag, 10. August 2015, 22.00:59 schrieb Jens Reuterberg: Morning visionary people Sounds like productive and good work. Liked to read it and like the overall vision. One thing I'd like to state for change (hopefully in a constructive manner) see below. PRESENT: Ivan, Sebas, Thomas and Jens MEETING GOAL: write up a vision statement for Plasma Mobile and talk about the early work of the Plasma Mobile HIG and design goals. The vision we ended with, after much debate of different wordings, what should and shouldn't be included in a vision statement was VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I'd definitely scratch -- unlike Android --. I think that's something for the case if somebody asks: But what about Android, isn't it open source. Then you can describe it. But not in a vision statement. Don't refer in there to another competitive product. Plasma Mobile can work and define itself on its own. You don't need to differentiate from others like this. Be self-confident. [snip] Nothing to add to the rest. Looking forward to see Plasma Mobile prosper. Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma mobile and Fairphone
Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015, 22.08:04 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Morning Sebas On Sunday, July 26, 2015 21:19:13 Mario Fux wrote: Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015, 15.18:55 schrieb Marco Martin: As a Fairphone user from the first hour I'm of course all open ears here (oh and I use KDE software occasionally too ;-). Most important, if anyone has any contact to anybody working there... brilliant and let's talk We were in contact with Fairphone last year about participating in the Randa Meetings which in the end didn't happen because of too many events on their side. I can try and get in contact this year again. Or I can introduce somebody here? me! I'm living in the Netherlands and was already planning to contact them and visit their office for a coffee. Ok, will write the introduction email this afternoon and of course CC you. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma mobile and Fairphone
Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015, 15.18:55 schrieb Marco Martin: Morning guys As a Fairphone user from the first hour I'm of course all open ears here (oh and I use KDE software occasionally too ;-). Most important, if anyone has any contact to anybody working there... brilliant and let's talk ;) We were in contact with Fairphone last year about participating in the Randa Meetings which in the end didn't happen because of too many events on their side. I can try and get in contact this year again. Or I can introduce somebody here? griiits Mario On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Omar Radwan toxemicsqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I heard about your project about Plasma Mobile, which is honestly one of the best things I've heard about. I'm really glad you guys made this project, because first of all, Android was too Google controlled, iOS, we'll, is iOS, Ubuntu is too far away from the regular Linux distro model, and Jolla is a closed source piece of garbage. This actually seems like a good idea that will appeal to most of us. So I have an idea, since most of the phones running Android right now (and every other mobile phone) is like super closed source with like the worst of blobs that will never be able to be replaced, I have an idea, maybe you guys should discuss with Fairphone, which I heard were trying to get more open hardware on their phone, which, coupled with your goal of a fully open software stack, could be for the better of things. Is there any thought about this at all? Hi Omar, I also thought about Fairphone at some point, spoiler alert, I love their work. It definitely makes sense, there's 2 main difficulties: we lack the people who could approach them (Fairphone or any other manufacturer, for that matter) with guaranties and I have the impression it wouldn't be all that easy to adopt the hardware under our software stack. On the other hand, I hope we all can pull these issues off, as a community. The main question is: who is on board and how are you going to help? Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [kde-promo] Plasma naming scheme
Am Dienstag, 06. Januar 2015, 17.53:57 schrieb Martin Klapetek: Morning In general I think the first proposal by Thomas is quite good and agree with notmart and Co, that we can't fix every little detail as these are different levels of abstraction. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer thomas.pfeif...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 06 January 2015 14:11:49 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Does that make sense to everyone? And if so: Where should we publish it and where should we announce it? This nomenclature sounds fine to my ears. Does this need announcement? I think the Dot editors have some wiki pages with these things, but other than that, to my biased self, this is common knowledge / common sense? Well, if it were clear to everyone, we wouldn't have taken the effort to define a naming scheme in the first place. Maybe the VDG is the only group to which this wasn't clear yet (we were not sure whether to call it Plasma Desktop 5, Plasma 5 Desktop or the Plasma 5 desktop, for example), but maybe it's not 100% clear to others, either. The broad nomenclature is probably clear at least to people within KDE by now, but we believe a good brand communication should be consistent down to details like the ones mentioned above. It probably doesn't need a public announcement, any maybe sending it to the two lists I sent it to was sufficient. I'd also update the KDE Brand Map [1] if that's the document which people who do public communication refer to. Looking at the wiki, it says KDE Plasma *. Originally we went for Plasma by KDE format to get further from the idea that Plasma = KDE and make the rebranding clearer. Was that dropped? Or just forgotten? I think neither nor. Looking at the wiki pages shows that the last edit is from December 2010 so why before (Plasma by KDE, which I like). And there is even still KOffice on this wiki page so it's just out of date. But don't fear as the kde-promo team is mostly inexistent atm it doesn't make much difference ;-( And I think it would make sense to update it of course so as soon as we agree I volunteer (if nobody beats me, I'm not really bored atm ;-) to update it. Imho puts a nicer touch to the name than KDE Plasma (which still supports the Plasma = KDE) Cheers Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout
Am Montag, 01. Dezember 2014, 14.49:09 schrieb Marco Martin: Morning On Monday 01 December 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On 01.12.2014 13:05, Sebastian Kügler wrote: Aleix: [...] - worked on kamoso, frameworks branch should work like 4.x version, modulo - sharing of pictures (could be shared with quickshare plasmoid) What about Share/Like/Connect? Is that completely dead by now? Will it come back at a later point? as soon there is some library to share stuff, for instance the mentioned one, having it used by share/like connect becomes trivial (also more applications starting to report their current open file). i didn't really try to port so far becasue what was still missing was a) the share library Was there a kdelibs4 version or was it missing back then too? b) integrated with kaccounts for authentication that or *anything* else would solve the problem And there are also Friedrich Kossebau's (CC'ed) plans for a new context plugin framework which would also allow sharing (he talked to the usability group about them at Akademy). Could we use that when it's done? ah, didn't know those.. where there is more info? https://frinring.wordpress.com/ Sharing is more and more important and should be accessible as easily as possible, without having to add additional Plasmoids manually. one thing i would like is the share icon also automatically activated and added in the systray by default when the current application is exporting some url griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Addons and KDE Applications 14.12 release
Am Samstag, 01. November 2014, 17.34:04 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: Morning guys Hi guys, should Plasma Addons be part of the KDE Appliications 14.12 release? I guess not? Do you want to keep doing bugfix releases of KDE/4.14 or just declare it done with 4.14.3 (next week)? Just to remind. Plasma 4.11.x was promised as an LTS till August 2015. Cheers, Albert Best regards Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Customized default behavior for new plasmoids and other KDE applications, how to do this?
Am Donnerstag, 14. August 2014, 16.10:11 schrieb Aaron Peterson: Hi, Morning Aaron I think you're searching this: https://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting griits Mario I am a user experience and user interface enthusiast. I do a lot of Kubuntu installs, and the default configuration is not suitable. It takes a long time for me to configure each users desktop to something sane. For me to support Kubuntu for my other users, I need to change the default behavior for most of the widgets. (when they add a new one, it needs to be initially configured the way I set it) Do you all have some vocabulary to help me search for how to do this? or some time to skype with me or other stuff? I am rather broke, but I was once willing to drive all the way to Canada to visit with Aaron Seigo. Germany is a bit far now. I live in the Seattle area, and I have coherent plans for what I need,(including ideas for settings and directory structures ) I just don't know what other people are working on or will accept, or if there is already a way to do this because the wiki is so disjointed. The cool thing about the way I want to set things up is that it would be very easy for people with opinions other than mine to configure their distros exactly as they want it. --Aaron Peterson 206 334 5925 I really love to chat about this, call any time! myusualnickname Some of the things on my tasklist: (which include settings for other applications in the KDE universe) ** set the default behavior of dolphin file views,, (details, --not expanding tree details, which is a setting I would use on a few folders, but not by default) Make all new folderview show title as full path by default, have small icons, lock the files in place, align to grid, not have shadows. (but still be user configurable) I also need to set the default launchers in quicklaunch.. Set the panel to by default show on the left, at a certain width, with windows can cover I need to set the kicker to classic mode by default (actually disable the application launcher style, as nobody I know has figured out how to use it) There are a lot of other settings I need to set by default, I want to have a specific layout for plasmoids too... I couldn't find documentation on how to do this at techbase or userbase, as this is a user level problem, but It looks like I need to develop it myself, and I'm really frustrated with the duplication of information, and the sparseness of anything useful... I'm willing to combine the wikis into one coherent and useful document, and then figure this stuff out, but my hands are tied. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Request to MacBook users
Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2014, 09.02:55 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Dear MacBook users, Morning Martin with the new kglobalaccel we can have multiple global shortcuts for the same action. Because of that I would like to map all the special keys for Expose, Dashboard, etc from a MacBook to our matching functionality. But for that I need the key code: please run the tool xev, press the key and look for the keysym and reply to me which expected action caused which key code. What I see on my old MacBook is: * Expose: XF86LaunchA * Dashboard: XF86LaunchB I don't know if it's still needed but for the future (and in CC now) I'd make sense to include the kde-mac list. Cheers Martin Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Request to MacBook users
Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2014, 10.22:48 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Morning again with the new kglobalaccel we can have multiple global shortcuts for the same action. Because of that I would like to map all the special keys for Expose, Dashboard, etc from a MacBook to our matching functionality. But for that I need the key code: please run the tool xev, press the key and look for the keysym and reply to me which expected action caused which key code. What I see on my old MacBook is: * Expose: XF86LaunchA * Dashboard: XF86LaunchB I don't know if it's still needed but for the future (and in CC now) I'd make sense to include the kde-mac list. not really as it was a request to MacBook users using a proper desktop environment :-P Yes, that I understood. But I think the chance to find people using Mac in general is quite high on the Mac list ;-). Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Moving Parts of Baloo into the Workspace
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2014, 12.33:21 schrieb Aleix Pol: Morning Aleix On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: Doesn't that tie Baloo usage to exclusively Plasma? If you want it to be a framework, won't framework users need to configure the things in the KCM? Hmm, you have a point. I was only thinking about it from a non-kde point of view. If you want a file indexer, you probably don't want to drag in KCMUtils. Additionally, it would be nice to combine the (hypothetical) runners kcms with the baloo one. For now, lets leave the kcm in Baloo. Well, you're actually right in that non-kde systems won't want a KCM, so What are non-kde systems? you might want to give some thinking on how you want it to be used outside of KDE, if at all. IIRC the KDE Windows group had kcm/systemsettings working on Windows. But maybe kcm and systemsettings has not the interconnections I mean, then sorry. And the KDE-Mac people had some really early discussions/ideas about a spotlight backend for Baloo. The solution proposed by Kevin makes sense, having an interface class for the config file can make things easy as you're explicitly listing what things can be configured and taking care about it. Aleix Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma 5 branding
Am Freitag, 06. Juni 2014, 12.04:09 schrieb Jonathan Riddell: Good morning A decision needs to be made on Plasma branding because we are now a month away from release. I agree absolutely and after a short chat with Jos below is the decision. I plan to use Plasma 5 for the generation of Plasma using KDE Frameworks 5. For technical numbers I'm using 4.97.0 for this beta and plan to release 5.0.0 in July. Following releases will be 5.0.90 going for a release of 5.1. Let's go with Plasma 5 and for the first release Plasma 5.0 (or 5.0.0, depending on how you plan future releases?). That leaves the marketing release names. My best idea is Summer 2014 etc so this release will be the Plasma 5 Summer 2014 release. This may annoy our antipodean and south american users however. Suggestions welcome but we do need to make a decision toot sweet. Let's forget about a release name or something. Just call it Plasma 5.0 and we're done. As Ben said it's not everywhere Summer in July on this planet. And it adds just confusion and no real value. Let's make it fix: Plasma 5.0 will be released in the beginning of July. For the texts, announcements and release notes there may be used additional terms like the first release in the Plasma 5 series, the first Plasma 5 release, Plasma 5.0... just to get a nice and fluent release text but that's for the writers. And the term Plasma release should be avoided, it sounds squelchy. After looking up squelchy (my dict didn't find it ;-) I might agree. But see above. Best regards Mario (and a virtual Jos ;-) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma 5?
Am Dienstag, 06. Mai 2014, 14.24:47 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: Morning guys 2. I'm afraid of people discarding the version because of fear of repeating 4.0. Yeah. We once did the rebranding thing because there was confusion in our user base about what 'KDE' meant, which was hurting projects like Amarok and Krita (you mean you can run Krita outside of KDE? But you need KDE to run Amarok, right? I don't want all of KDE on my system just to run Kate...). Yes, exactly. This is one (not the only one) big reason for the necessity of the rebranding. Of course, us being marketing noobs, we didn't do that rebranding very well, but history - let's not try to fix the past. And let's just accept that we're human and make errors and mistakes and don't have a multi-million rebranding budget. But we did it quite well as there are already quite some journalists who get it. But what doesn't help is KDE people always restarting this discussions without knowing the facts and the reasons. Let this be my only rant in this email and thread. Technically, we've mostly solved this, and our application, library and desktop release schedules have now definitely diverged. But the confusion remains, for now. We CAN prevent this for the future. That's why I think it makes sense to go for Plasma 2 and start at 2.0... It is the 2nd incarnation of Plasma, after all. Of course there is more to Plasma then just plasma itself (KWin and all that) but this will certainly make it harder to call the entire thing 'KDE 5' for the press. +1. I see the problem that 4.11 is not smaller than Plasma 2 but hey. If it helps on another thing. Of course today they call Applications 4.13 KDE 4.13 and they are welcome to call Plasma 2.0 or Applications 5.0 or both 'KDE 5.0' but I doubt they can keep that up. By the end of the year, they would have announced, in (if the plans hold up) this order: KDE 5.0; KDE 5.0; KDE 5.1; KDE 4.14; KDE 5.2; KDE 5.3; KDE 5.4; KDE 5.1; KDE 5.5; KDE 5.0; KDE 5.6. And the number of they's gets smaller and smaller... If they're smart, they will just get with the change: Frameworks 5.0, Plasma 2.0, Frameworks 5.1, Applications 4.14, Frameworks 5.2, Frameworks 5.3, Frameworks 5.4, Plasma 2.1, Frameworks 5.5, Applications 5.0, Frameworks 5.6. If they really need version numbers and not just call it a new version of Frameworks or Plasma and the features are... As people/users normally don't look for version numbers but we can use the version number in helping to prevent confusion. Oh, and to Marco who noted: To me either of which wouldn't make much difference, it's true tough that looks less confusing if it has the same number as frameworks and Qt Don't forget. The majority of our users are quite silent. The vast majority. The ones who like to juggle with version numbers are some small minorities. Louds ones, ok, but small in number. That's not likely to happen at all, as Frameworks, Applications and Plasma will all be on different release schedules. I'd actually think it increases the confusion if all have a 5.x version number but they don't actually sync up in any way. The question the user then has is: do I run KDE 5.1 (Plasma), 5.6 (Frameworks) or 5.0 (Applications)? Aren't the version number mostly important for bug reporting and there they are extracted automatically? It'd rather be that he/she runs Plasma 2.1, Frameworks 6 and Applications 5.0 (yes I just said that the Frameworks should get rid of the 5 if they do indeed go for a monthly release cycle, just like Firefox, Chromium etc). ;-). Makes sense. Best regards Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
New 4.11.x release dates
Morning guys I just added some new release dates for the Plasma 4.11.x LTS release: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule We tried to coordinate it as much as possible with the KDE apps 4.13 and 4.14 release schedules. Nice Sunday wishes Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [kde-promo] Plasma Next Naming
Am Samstag, 18. Januar 2014, 09.23:06 schrieb Martin Graesslin: Hi all, Morning Martin Very good summary. Thx! thanks to Martin for providing the pointer. Please everyone keep both lists in the CC. Replying to the thread makes it really difficult otherwise. That's why I am not replying to any mail know. I just want to add a few notes to the code name topic. First of all I think that any comparison to Ubuntu and MacOS does not matter. Whether they are successful or not cannot be reduced to the name at all. Also I want to point out that during our discussions we hardly scratched the topic of those communities. In the case of Ubuntu it was only in the negative. I remember that we: * considered the name as too difficult (it's always an English word at least I had never heard before and my English is not that bad ;-) * considered it as a problem in discussions with externals. E.g. upstream- downstream communication is broken when referring to the code name * they use multiple code names and sometimes it's referred to as the adjective and sometimes the complete name I cannot remember that we discussed the Mac case. But I brought up the topic of code names and I got the inspiration from Eclipse which uses a moon name scheme. Which I find quite neat given that it needs a moon to get an eclipse. Whether or not to use the code name in external communication I do not want to comment on, but I want to point out that we need a code name for our internal communication as the date scheme doesn't work for internal communication. The release might get delayed to another month and that could make things difficult. In that thinking the code name might also be useful during announcements of beta releases which are targeting the more informed people anyway. The initial idea I gave for a code name pattern was using famous persons of the field of Physics. E.g. * Plasma Cooper * Plasma Hofstadter The thought here is that Plasma already uses many words from physics in it's internal naming. E.g. Plasmoid, Corona, Containment, etc. So I thought that would be nice in the scheme. As said I got the inspiration from Eclipse. The argument against that scheme was that it's too geeky and e.g. a Plasma Einstein would reference complexity and not an easy to use. If we consider to not use the code name in the external communication it would be possible to use a more geeky scheme again which is fun for us to use with. Looking at other projects which do that they seem to have lots of fun with it (hello Beefy Miracle (worst name ever)). Big +1 to this idea and the internal code name. Together with the date release name for the public it sounds quite reasonable now. Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Future KDE Workspaces releases (4.11.x)
Morning Just had some IRC discussion and thus changed (or better added some information to) http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule After KDE SC 4.11.5 KDE Workspaces will get new 4.11.x releases together with the 4.12 and later 4.13 releases till the LTS support for KDE Workspaces 4.11.x ends in August 2015. The next KDE Workspaces release for 4.11.6 will thus be on January 30, 2014 (tagging) and February 4, 2014 (public release). Thanks and everybody a happy new year Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Kaffeine's future
Am Montag, 02. Dezember 2013, 18.34:15 schrieb Christoph Pfister: Hi guys, Good morning Christoph I know I should have done this step earlier. After taking over this project from Christophe Thommeret long ago and doing a lot of interesting stuff, I've been busy with real life in the past months (years) and the situation will not change in the future. As I'm unable to maintain Kaffeine in an appropriate manner, I've decided to abandon the project. Too bad to hear but thanks a lot for your past work! I watched TV hours with Kaffeine and used it a lot. So thanks for your work and Kaffeine. Therefore I'm asking whether someone is interested in taking over maintainership; I've listed the current state of the project at the end of this mail. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to deal with patches earlier [ sorry guys! ], so I don't have a logical candidate or so. But if somebody is willing to take over [ you should know a bit about Qt and KDE and preferably have some Dvb / Atsc equipment at hand ], I will try to support the handover. Depending on where you are on this planet I could send you a DVB-S card to test and port Kaffeine. Christoph: What do you think of migrating the code and mailing lists (etc.) from sourceforge to KDE infrastructure? Or would it even make sense to merge Kaffeine with the Plasma Media Center? Just my 2 Rappen Mario Regards, Christoph - Last released version (QT4 / KDE 4): Kaffeine 1.2.2 on 2011-04-04. This should still be stable enough for many purposes. - Bug tracker: https://bugs.kde.org/ - Git repository: KDE extragear; https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/multimedia/kaffeine/repository There is a transition from xine to vlc going on; needs some love. - Mailing lists / releases: hosted at sourceforge. - Home page: http://kaffeine.kde.org/ which is down at the moment (but can be reactivated if someone takes care of it); archived version: http://web.archive.org/web/20130613232503/http://kaffeine.kde.org/ - Varia: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Keep the Things You Forgot
Am Mittwoch, 23. Oktober 2013, 21.49:27 schrieb Mark: Morning [snip] A blog post that i'd very much like from you (Aaron) is about the next big KDE version, the naming and how the complete collection is going to be called or if there even will be a collection release (what KDE SC is now). Press is still getting that wrong, i tend to get it wrong and other people talking about KDE seem to get it wrong. Usually it's just being referred to as KDE 5 which is wrong. (Frameworks 5, Plasma 2, ...). So if you have the time, a blog about that would be wonderful and very educational ^_^ What about all the recent dot articles about KF5, Plasma 2 and Co? I think you won't get it clearer than that. Best Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Keep the Things You Forgot
Am Donnerstag, 24. Oktober 2013, 14.02:16 schrieb Mark: Morning [snip] You probably mean dot.kde.org/2013/09/25/frameworks-5 And this: http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves That would work but not if that's it. This kind of change is one that has to sink in over time so this has to be repeated from time to time. Of course. That's why there are some more stories in the tube. See promo list and co for hints. Best Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Keep the Things You Forgot
Am Dienstag, 22. Oktober 2013, 22.27:18 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: hi :) Morning guys (i stole the subject without shame. but it seemed appropriate given the topic) we’ve all gotten out of the habit of communicating with the outside world, with some notable exceptions. Martin, in particular, has become an outstanding blogger. the rest of us have been overly quiet. i’m working on getting my bloggerificness going again rather than just hiding on irc and g+ ... i’d like to invite all of you to blog at least once a week about the amazing work everyone is doing with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 2. there is SO MUCH ACTIVITY in the repositories and the progress is astounding. it is important that the rest of the KDE (and beyond!) community sees this movement too so they know what we’re up to and that we’re still running ahead at great speed. communicating is how we get more contributors, it’s how we get more users, it’s how we find more partners, it’s how we remind others to believe as much as we do in the things we’re doing. I'd like to add a big (HUGE) +1 here. I'm reading several mailing lists (some less to get less distracted from my diploma thesis ;-) and it's great to see what your doing and accomplishing atm. Please tell the world, blog as hell! love ‘n hugs to you all ... Another hugger from Switzerland Mario PS: And cross your fingers that my two concepts get finally excepted so that I can start organizing the Randa Meetings 2014 edition. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: KDE framework 5 - a humble idea
Am Mittwoch 18 September 2013, 11.26:21 schrieb Michele Andrea Kipiel: hello everybody, Good morning Michele the following message is part of an email i sent a few days ago to Marco Martin, who then asked me to share my thoughts on this mailng list. Thanks for your email. Your idea seems quite similar to: https://conf.kde.org/en/Akademy2013/public/events/15 Which was already discussed here and/or on the active list. As I see it this idea just needs implementers. Oh and btw. I think you talk about the Plasma 2 Workspaces and not directly about KDE Frameworks 5 (which are the libraries used). [snip] Best regards Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Switches around the world and broken metaphors [Was: Battery Monitor revamp]
Am Sonntag 26 Mai 2013, 18.07:14 schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: Morning Added the below content to a new page about Repeated Discussions in Plasma: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/RepeatedDiscussions/SwitchesVsCheckboxes Hope that's ok. Thx Mario On Sunday 26 May 2013 00:05:56 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 25 May 2013 14:32:29 Martin Graesslin wrote: And this is clearly the case let's work around something we don't want to fix. Switches are a clear improvement over checkboxes depending on the context even my 60yo mom got it much quickier than a checkbox would be able to on my plasmoids. And I would completely fail to use the switch. I have huge problems understanding those switches and I have not seen any implementation of the switch where I got which one is on and which one is off. that's for me as well. I have to spend a second or more every time to figure/remember if the on that is written on the switch (or being colored vs greyed, same thing) means it's on now or it's an action, so it's telling me it becomes on if i click on it Well actually, there is an easy way to make it absolutely clear which is which, although it takes lots of horizontal space and probably looks very ugly if you have many switches in the same UI: Just add text labels on each side, _next to_ the button, not inside of it. E.g. OFF or O on the left side, ON or I on the right side. That makes things perfectly clear. So if ambiguity is the only reason against using switches on Desktop, we should use them. If you can make it clear on a touch screen, you can make it clear on a normal monitor. However, there may be more reasons than that. Let us look at the issue more closely. First of all, switches are _not_ merely the touch version of checkboxes. Some developers may use them that way, but they are not. They should be used for different purposes, and the GUI guidelines of systems that have both do make that clear (though interestingly, the decision criterion varies from platform to platform: - The Android design guidelines make the following distinction: Checkboxes allow the user to select multiple options from a set. Avoid using a single checkbox to turn an option off or on. Instead, use an on/off switch.[1] - The guidelines for BB10 go in a similar direction[2]: Use check boxes when users can select multiple items or options. Use a toggle switch when users are choosing between two distinct options, such as Off and On. You can also use a toggle switch if you want to make a setting harder for users to change accidentally. So according to the Android or Blackberry guidelines, the Battery Monitor should use a switch, whereas the Printer Manager should use checkboxes. - The Meego UX guidelines[3] (yes, Meego is dead but that doesn't mean their guidelines are bad) say the following: Toggle switches are best used in system or applications settings, and are best suited to toggle a setting or mode that affects the whole system. Good examples are switching networking or silent mode on or off. A checkbox works in the same way as a toggle switch, but it is more suitable to use for smaller settings, like a preference in an application So these guidelines would speak for using a switch in the Battery Monitor as well. Regarding the Printer Manager, it would be a question of interpretation. - The Windows Store apps guidelines[4] offer a distinction which I personally find the most logical: Use a toggle switch for binary settings when changes become effective immediately after the user changes them. Use a checkbox when the user has to perform extra steps for changes to be effective. For example, if the user must click a submit or next button to apply changes, use a check box. The reason why I find this logical is that it relates to the real-world equivalent of checkboxes and switches. When I flick a switch, usually something happens immediately. On the other hand, checking a box on a paper form does not immediately change anything, it only has an effect after I _submitted_ the form somewhere. And this is similar in the digital world: Checkboxes first appeared on digital forms, where changes only went into effect after the form was submitted. Therefore if we only use checkboxes for changes without immediate effect, users can be sure that changing the state of a checkbox won't do any immediate harm. According to these guidelines, both Battery Monitor and Printer Manager would use switches. So conceptually there is indeed a difference between a checkbox and a switch. Now, with that said, comes the big but: All of these guidelines are for touch-based OSes. Looking at the guidelines for mouse/keyboard systems from the same vendors reveals a different picture. Neither the OS X Human Interface Guidelines[5], nor the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines[6] (Toggle Buttons are not the same as switches!), the Microsoft
Re: Keyboard detection and a test request
Am Freitag 21 Juni 2013, 12.01:26 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Hi all, Morning Ivan I (think) I'm now properly detecting regular mice, touch-pads and touch- screens, based on some X properties of those. It would be very nice if people with touch-screens and touch-pads would do the following test - run xinput on your device (if not installed, you can ssh -X to a machine that has xinput) Take the id of the touch* device, and do this (replace 4 with an actual id) xinput list-props 4 Here you go: http://paste.kde.org/780434/ It's a touch pad on the Lenovo X230. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Plasma/RepeatedDiscussion
Good morning This afternoon I started http://community.kde.org/Plasma/RepeatedDiscussions based on the KDE Telepathy pages. There are two pages about: - MultiProcess - RemainingTimeOnBatteryWidget Please add links or additional information so we can use this pages to direct people to if these topics come up again. Important: These pages are not an alternative way to discuss this topics but to document the outcoming of several already done discussions. Best regards Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving Wishlist Items to Brainstorm
Am Samstag 25 Mai 2013, 15.27:15 schrieb Alex Merry: Morning On 25/05/13 07:58, Martin Graesslin wrote: For KWin I use the following template when we get a new feature request: Since you wanted feedback from native speakers on the other one (which was actually fine, by the way), I've tidied up this one (since the idea, I guess, is to copy-paste it into reports). Thank you for your feature suggestion. Unfortunately, bugzilla is not the best place to discuss feature requests. We hardly have any users here, so we don't get a useful evaluation of whether the feature is needed. We recommend you use http://brainstorm.forum.kde.org to suggest this idea. Users are able to up/down-vote the feature request so we can get an idea of whether it's something our users wish to see and whether it is worth investing time in. If the feature request is supported on brainstorm it will automatically be recreated here in the bug tracker. Given that, I'm marking this feature request as WONTFIX for now. Note that this has nothing to do with whether we think this is a good or bad feature request. I'm very sorry that our software does not allow us to send users to brainstorm in the first place. Nice to see this activity and I hope to find some time to participate in one or the other of these doodled meetings to do some productive help. Sometimes it's obvious but sometimes it's not mentioned and thus I want to write my thought here: Do you plan as well to remove the option to send bugs with severity wishlist on bugs.kde.org (and probably just leave it for some brainstorm moderators). Would be two steps less for wishlist submitters and the above message just for the submitters who already sent their wishlists. Thx Mario who goes to lunch and then back to reading the remaining mails on plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Randa Frameworks5 preps
Am Montag 17 September 2012, 17.27:34 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Hey, Morning [This email is mostly interesting to those of us meeting in Randa later this week] Before we meet in Randa, it makes sense to have a look at your dev setup, so that we can get started quickly. We shortly talked about this on IRC today. If you'd like to spare yourself some setup time in Randa, it would be good to have a building frameworks5 checkout. That's probably easiest if you put that into a $PREFIX different from you normal kde devel install. That's of course highly dependent on your development setup, but we can get started quicker if we start roughly off of the same base. kdelibs' frameworks5 branch builds against both, Qt4 and Qt5, but we will stick to Qt4 for now as the first focus is the splitting of the libplasma into functional, non-ui and QGraphicsView-based parts. Introducing too much change at the same time will make it harder to track regressions and fix up the whole thing in the end again. This link could be useful: http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building CU in Randa Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: SLC for all 4.10 workspaces (was: Re: How Can I change wallpaper from CLI?)
Am Sonntag 09 September 2012, 23.18:09 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: Morning As I'm sold to the SLC concept Maybe you could explain to us mere mortals what's the difference between Share, Like and Connect. First here is a link to some more information about SLC: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development/ActiveHIG/SLC I understand Share, but Like and Connect is just Share to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understood it: - Share is to send or share the data (pic, URL, whatever) with someone e.g. send by email - Like is to rate or like it e.g. rate it with Nepomuk (star rating) or Facebook like (I don't know Facebook enough) - And finally connect is to build a relation as e.g. in Nepomuk to connect or relate it (the pic, person, URL, webpage, etc.) to an activity Note: I've never used SLC since doesn't seem to be easily usable on the desktop. That's why I'd like to change this for the Desktop. Cheers, Albert griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
SLC for all 4.10 workspaces (was: Re: How Can I change wallpaper from CLI?)
Morning As I'm sold to the SLC concept and start to miss it on the Plasma Desktop and read the below message here I'd like to propose the following: Make SLC a release goal for 4.10 and include it in as many KDE apps as possible. And to reach this goal I propose the following: - Organize a weekend when the SLC developers are available for help and interested developers and app developers can get help to integrate SLC in their app. - As I'm not a developer myself I'd offer some of my time to coordinate and document this. My time proposal would be in October (as then the Randa Meetings 2012 are done ;-). So what do you think? Should I start a doodle to find weekend? Thx Mario PS: I often use the Send file as pdf... in LibreOffice and would love to use this kind of feature in all my KDE apps. Am Donnerstag 06 September 2012, 13.50:19 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: On Thursday, September 6, 2012 12:47:16 Kevin Krammer wrote: The problem with that (as far as I can tell) is that this would not be available to non-KDE apps, which (again as far as I understand) is the case of the thread starter. if the issue was non-KDE apps, this would be an interesting starting point for discussion. but the discussion moved to the example of a KIPI plugin for digikam. that is a KDE application. once we get our own house in order, then i'd love to discuss about how we interface with the rest of the world. D-Bus interfaces have the advantage of being accessible from almost any program technology stack, most times even from shell scripts. qdbus org.kde.ActivityManager /ActivityManager | grep Resource we're smart enough to implement things in ways that aren't completely stupid. ;) and really this is a design question (is associating URIs and metadata with windows a good / better solution? if so, how?), not an implementation problem (what is used for remote procedure calls?). even if the implementation is bad (though i don't believe it is), we can usefully improve the implementation as long as we have a good design to start with; the reverse is not true however - design flaws don't get fixed by improving the implementation of them. currently when it comes to things like setting wallpapers, our design sucked. so some of us worked on improving that, and if you look at its use in Plasma Active you can judge for yourself whether or not it is an improvement or not. and now we're asking the rest of our community to use that improved design broadly including on the desktop. show me a dbus api for wallpaper setting that can do that. :) Just curious: what kind of non-D-Bus communication mechanism is used by that? it uses DBus. the differentiation is that it isn't focused on making something to set a wallpaper but focused on allowing content to be introspected so that things can be done for/with that content. making an API for setting wallpaper is not only fragile (see the differences in KDesktop 1, 2, 3 and Plasma; see the differences for windows, mac, xfce, gnome, etc) it is also very limited in scope and needs to be upkept in every single application. the design concept of expose the URI of the content this application window is showing suffers none of those limitations. and it lets us do the trivial things like set that as a wallpaper easily: it's writing one plugin for one app (SLC) instead of writing one plugin for every single application out there. really, it's the same thinking that went into things like kparts. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Please check your group on sprints.kde.org
Good morning The budget and email to the board is almost ready to be sent and thus we can start waiting for approval of this big sprint and budget. In the meantime I was notified about the fact that it makes sense to check the groups. As you see on the sprints.kde.org page [1] the amount of travel costs (plus some more 1000 € for swiss train tickets and accommodation) is quite high this year. Thus it makes sense to be sure if it's really worth to bring all these people to Randa. Therefore (and as I myself don't know each and every person on this big list [1]) I'd like to ask you to take a look at the list of people of your group. Thx and CU hopefully in Randa Mario [1] http://sprints.kde.org/sprint/98 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Last call for Randa 2012 registration
Morning gals and guys Please sent me a 5 to 10 sentences summary on what you plan to do in Randa in September. I'll forward this together with the budget to the e.V. board. Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Last call for Randa 2012 registration
Good morning guys If you plan to come to Randa this September please add yourself asap to s.k.o [1]. Last possibility to add yourself is Saturday, 16th of June till 23:59 UTC. Then we send the budget to the KDE e.V. board. So if you add yourself after this date you need to pay the travel and accommodation costs yourself. @all: Please check all your information on s.k.o [1] For further questions just email me or come to #randa on freenode.net. Thx and CU soon Mario [1] http://sprints.kde.org/sprint/98 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: KDE architecture diagram
Am Freitag 08 Juni 2012, 12.35:46 schrieb Martin Klapetek: Morning On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote: Food for thought: How many Linux kernel developers do you know that try to divide the Linux kernel in subprojects for servers, desktops, embedded systems? Here, just like in Plasma, there are a few codepathes that differ per device, but the majority of the code is shared. The differences come from how you configure it for a given target device. That is conceptually the same as with Plasma we're building a system that you can configure for a wide range of target devices. While I share your idea of Plasma Workspaces, I would imagine that different parts of the kernel are maintained/developed by different people. Sure, the core is the same, but the platform-specific stuff needs to be different (if only a little). So one needs to see the difference between core and the workspace in our Plasma case. In other words - if you add method to the core and make use of it in Active, it doesn't magically happen on desktop too. Which I think might be on of the problems - seeing the Plasma team focusing on Active, bringing new features there while the desktop is...well, it's the same for the past 3 years. And just look at That's simply not true. The Plasma Desktop is not the same as three years ago. There is steady development (even if it my be slower than at the beginning but that can change). Beneath the usual optimization and fixing stuff (which may come mostly from the Active side atm but helps the desktop nonetheless), there are things which are completely different then 3 years ago. Take the Activities vs. ZUI thing as just one example. Facebook - they change stuff every 2 years or so. Now I'm not saying let's forget what we have and start over. Not at all. But we're quite stagnating. And that's in my opinion, where we need the vision. Aaron's vision is great, but to me it sounds more like a general textbook workspace vision. I personally think we need a more precise vision (we already do have organic uis, don't we?). Maybe but that's no reason to scratch this item from a vision list. But atm the same time there is of course the possibility to widen or enhance the vision. So I'm still curious what Spain meeting and after this the Randa Meeting/Tokamak 6 brings: Hint hint: http://sprints.kde.org/sprint/98 - add yourself here. For example - what's our vision for integrating social media in the shell/Plasma? What's our vision for integrating IM? And so on. Sure, there are teams doing these tasks, but we should imho have a common vision, or goal if you wish, clearly defined by the Workspace leaders. Those teams then lookup to that vision and build stuff to reach it. To reach one great Workspace. Just like for Active - you have a vision of creating a touch-based interfaces (very simply speaking), so basically there's a vision of how you'd like Okular to behave in such environment. And I would like to have this precise vision for the rest of the Workspace, not just to have scalable interfaces. Makes sense for me what your write here. Each and every team can do their own vision. But then there will be inconsistencies, different functionality etc. Just look at System Settings - common place for so many apps and yet each module looks different. And it looks bad in the final result. So I think there should be some well understood lead, a way the Workspace should go. Which currently there's not. Or it's not well known. My 2c on this. Just my 2 Rappen Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma@Randa Meetings 2012
Am Donnerstag 31 Mai 2012, 22.29:08 schrieb Mario Fux: Good morning Morning again Today I had a quick chat with Aaron and Marco about the possibility of another Plasma meeting (Tokamak 6) in Randa. This years Randa meetings will be from Friday, the 21st to Thursday, the 27th of September. They seemed interested and thus there will finally be another Tokamak happening this year. So if you're interested to participate please add yourself asap (latest till middle of June): http://sprints.kde.org/sprint/98 Just to remind you (yeah, I may be a bit early for middle of June but atm I write when I find time and at least my time flies by). So please go to the above link and add yourself for Tokamak 6. Thx For question about the location etc. don't hesitate to come to #randa on freenode or send me an email. Thx for your work and CU in Randa griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Plasma@Randa Meetings 2012
Good morning Today I had a quick chat with Aaron and Marco about the possibility of another Plasma meeting (Tokamak 6) in Randa. This years Randa meetings will be from Friday, the 21st to Thursday, the 27th of September. They seemed interested and thus there will finally be another Tokamak happening this year. So if you're interested to participate please add yourself asap (latest till middle of June): http://sprints.kde.org/sprint/98 For question about the location etc. don't hesitate to come to #randa on freenode or send me an email. Thx for your work and CU in Randa Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: R: dah-dah-da-daaaaah! synchrotron!
Am Donnerstag 06 Januar 2011, 11.23:00 schrieb LucaTringali: Morning (on a side note / as a bit of useless trivia: synchrotron came out of design work i did over the holidays for plasma classroom :) Talking about plasma classroom, I'm working on a plasmoid that shows the screen of all the classroom's computers, so the teacher can take a look at them directly from the desktop. Anyway, I'm having some troubles implementing VNC to remote view the screens. Can someone help me on this thing? Any news about your work in this plasmoid? Luca Tringali thx mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasmate's roadmap
Am Samstag 16 April 2011, 12.07:30 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Hey Aleix, Morning On Friday, April 15, 2011 15:55:22 Aleix Pol wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote: ... and then still we probably want to move away from QWidget-based dialogs in Active altogether. For Plasmate, QWidget-based UIs do not play a role, other than that it will fall back to those where we're lacking suitable apps. More interesting would be to look at lighthouse, and Qt Creator for parts which would make hacking QML easier. I guess it would be good if we can integrate the tools to KDevelop/KDevPlatform somehow, as well. If we can help you in any way, maybe that would be interesting. Yep, maybe we can sit together during BDS to talk about how and where kdevelop are overlapping, and how we can join. Just to remind you're both participants of Randa 2011 ;-). And to use the opportunity: Sebas, what about the decision of the e.V. board about the Randa budget? Poke, poke ;-). My gut feeling suggests that we'd be more likely to integrate kdevelop pieces into Plasmate (but that's my biased POV probably), since Plasmate is very much a workflow-driven tool, so for the purpose of plasmate, kdevelop's UI is probably a bad choice. That's not a problem, just something we have to keep in mind, Plasmate and KDevelop serve similar goals and target groups (maybe comparable to Quanta vs. KDevelop). In any case, sharing and collaboration is good. :) Cheers, Cu Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Custom plasma shell
Am Donnerstag 10 Februar 2011, 09.28:55 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Morning I'm not sure I see this as Martin did. The thing I agree with is that this can't be plasma. This would first and foremost need to be a new window manager, which would load plasmoids as windows. (so, I agree with the 'hardly possible' statement - implementing a new WM is not a trivial task, far from it) So, this can't be window-as-a-plasmoid (as Martin said a hackish and broken concept) but it would need to be the other way round plasmoid-as-a-window which is possible and works well even today. So, essentially if you want to go from 'impossible' to 'hardly possible' replace 'plasmoid' with 'application window' :) As for the ideas: - Creating a window by 'drawing' a rectangle on the desktop is similar to what Plan 9 OS is doing. With one significant difference - you choose 'start an app' and then you can 'draw' anywhere - not only on the desktop. So, it works even when you don't see your desktop. - Having resize/move a window influence other windows is a rather nice concept. Although, IMO, that part could be improved in your mocks - Taskbar showing only windows that are minimized or completely covered by some other window looks nice. Just an uninformed idea. But couldn't the scripting capabilities of Kwin and plasmoidviewer help to at least do a proof of concept? Instead of writing a new windows manager from scratch?!? griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: the next step on the desktop
Am Montag 31 Januar 2011, 21.29:01 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: On Monday, January 31, 2011, Ivan Čukić wrote: Morning hm.. but they don't show up in window titlebar context menus when they are stopped; so a bug in kwin, then? it should be possible imho to send windows to any defined activity. we could put the stopped activities at the bottom of What would that do? 1. Start the activity in question that would be unexpected imho. 2. Stop the application and remember it should be in that activity 2. Just assign the window to the activity (apart from the current one) and do nothing else if it is only associated with stopped activities, then it should probably join them. if it is also associated with the current activity, then it should just be assigned. still thinking about it though :) what would be really nice is if an iconic representation of the activity it was being associated with popped up somewhere on screen to reinforce the idea that the window had been added to it. if the app was stopped, the window would minimize to it like we do with the minimize action to the tasks widget now. if it was just associated with the activity, then perhaps the window title could duplicate and then go into the activity representation. Oh. Visual effect that explain the processes going on. Great. I like it. (Not that other visual effects don't do this). the menu after a separator to help keep the running ones more prominent and easier to find? Yes... the sorting should be added everywhere. +1 griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: the next step on the desktop
Am Montag 31 Januar 2011, 14.42:01 schrieb Marco Martin: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:22 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: Morning Finally I have read all the mails of this thread and hope to add some valuable information and no redundant one. back when we started the path towards plasma i said that we needed to slowly evolve the desktop beyond the desktop folder with icons littered on the desktop. now we have activities, kick-ass containments like search and launch and grouping desktop. the biggest thing that have to be worked on, is making applications activity aware, it's the only way to convince people that activities are -not- virtual desktops ;) The Randa meeting and in particular the Nepomuk would be a great opportunity for this. We (Nepomuk) would like to integrate Nepomuk (and thus activity) stuff and as many apps as possible. it is time to go to that next step and move people away from the old ways. yep, I would still like to push desktop beyond the desktop, resistence against is so amazing that i find it harder and harder. we need a concentrated effort between all areas for this i think, not just plasma ;) i was at a friend's house last night where a bunch of people gathered to hang out, chat, play games, etc. there was a desktop system there running plasma desktop with the search and launch containment and a gorgeous translucent panel couresty of kwin. i do think sl looks great in the dashboard, however i have some issues of it being in the desktop, will explain later ;) let's try something big and new. let's make that Big Move and step away from ~/Desktop. to me the biggest dumb thing is ~/Desktop itself, not much having icons on desktop (in the form of folderview applets) having n folderviews topic-specific goes very well with the concept of activities. the biggest hurdle is always the fact of having them in a background-ish desktop. my proposal is this: * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop There are several issues with sl: * it's not really done for big screens, there is a sad line of icons sitting in the middle of the desktop * it's not really done for containing applets, would almost mean dropping desktop widgets: - right now it contains widgets in a little panel like strip with horizontal form factor. now overly pretty. - making it contain free layout applets like the desktop would look quite dirty since applets would cover the launcher icons randomly * being always mostly covered by windows limits the usefulness, as i said great in dashboard (this is quite true for widgets as well, but being smaller the problem is less strong) * it empasizes the concept of starting apps, (or start menu if you want) a lot, that's really something i would like to get away with Yes. Should be more about documents and not about applications. The user knows about documents and files but shouldn't need to know about applications. E.g. click on a document or media file and not start application xyz. what about having it (or something similar) that appears as a big sidebar of the screen when clicking on the K icon? * an icon in this SL that takes you to your desktop folder .. in a file manager. could be, i would still rather find a way to encoourage use of folderview as activity relevant file containers tough * a new panel layout (TBD: let's work on this together!) a long due thing is moving app systray items in the taskbar and even hiding all xembed icons by default (but, a voluntary is needed to have this done) * improve the tasks widget to have some of the nice features of widgets like smooth tasks with the mouse over highlights yeah, either the tooltip has to be improved a lot or the tasks widget using its own, like the widgets explorer * an activities widget (i'll hapilly write it) that sits next to the app launcher and when clicked brings up the actvities manager there is one on kde-look. however i remeber that you had a valid argument against it: it would slowly become basically a replica of the activity manager with most-but-not-all of its features. * an activities switcher as a kwin effect (!) there is always the problem it would lie a bit if applications become aware of activities * have all activities avaiable in kactivitmanagerd, even if they are stopped in plasma-desktop +1 toughts? I think what this reflect, but still not really addresses is the limit of usefulness of the desktop window as is managed nowdays. both widgets or the sl have a quite limited usage if they are in background, so wanting to change what's inside it seems more a way to go around it (that's one of the reasons in netbook and mobile the desktop is not a desktop window, but it wouldn't work in plasma-desktop)... also the dashboard is nice, but it's a modal thing, that makes you be either in plasma mode or not. Then the Dashboard needs a button
Re: Default activities
Am Montag 08 November 2010, 14.12:04 schrieb Chani: Morning On October 28, 2010 23:54:04 Chani wrote: okay, activity templates work now! :) go to workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/data/layouts/ to see the example :) mario, any chance you could add in a GHNS button for the templates too? I'm sure people will want to create their own... I'm not sure exactly where in the UI it belongs. maybe in the 'new activity' list filterbar creates, maybe beside it... ping, mario, are you still planning on doing this? :) feature freeze is thursday... Planning somehow yes but I'm not very optimistic. There is so much other work there atm. Sorry. When I find time I inform you and try to do something and I know about the deadline. thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Application start animation
Am Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010, 19.53:01 schrieb Ivan Cukic: Hi, Morning I've received a nice idea from a user, but I'm unsure how possible it is to implement. The idea is to have a visual clue from where the application is started - to expand it from the point of launch like we do for minimization and maximization of the windows. MacOSX has it as well (I've an apple computer in my office) and I think usability (and organic, was once a plasma thing isn't it?) wise it makes a lot of sense. Not just in plasma but as well in Dolphin when one clicks a file. I think this would be a kwin thing... Just my 2 Rappen ;-) Cheerio, Ivan BTW: You're marmalade is tasty, thx! Remember? ;-) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Default activities
Am Montag 18 Oktober 2010, 15.30:03 schrieb Chani: Morning Do I need to add something to the release thing on techbase? Is there a freeze near? soft freeze is october 28th. you should update the feature plan: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.6_Feature_Plan Ok. Added: kdebase-workspace: add some default actitivites for 4.6 | Mario Fux But first I'll go through the comments in aaron's blog and through most of the KDE application (in SC and outside). So here my (not all ideas are originally mine!) proposal for some default activities: - Development: Kdevelop, Konqueror with api.kde.org open, Dolphin with kdesdk open Plasmoids: KDE Observatory - Internet: KMail, Konqueror/Rekonq, Akregator Plasmoids: LionMail, Calender - Photo: Digikam, Gwenview Plasmoids: Pictureframe with slideshow from Picture folder, do we something for flickr like pastebin?!? - Office: KWord, KSpread KPresenter Plasmoids: Clipboard - Graphic: Krita, Gwenview, Ksnapshot Plasmoids: Pictureframe, ImagePaste, Colorselector - Multimedia (or Video and Music separate): Dragon Player, Amarok, (kaffeine), Kccd Plasmoids: Videoviewer, NowPlaying - Education: Marble, Parley, Cantor, KPotatoGuy Plasmoids: kdeedu plasmoids (kalzium, kalgebra, etc.) (- Or different edu actitives? does it clash with Plasma classroom? And is it possible that one provides different activities, probably with GHNS integration?) - Games: A KDE card game, a KDE arcade game, ... Plasmoids: Kfifteen okay... uhm... these are mostly lists of applications. are you thinking of adding shortcuts to them on the desktop? Yes. Makes sense. But I think about autostarting them when you switch to these activities. what other plasmoids could be useful for these activity templates? See above. This research does not include anything about the apps config or nepomuk activity application integration as I've trunk not working atm on any of my machine (should change sooner rather the later). config would be an ugly matter I'd rather avoid for now (or forever). nepomuk integration context-awareness is a separate todo-item ;) You mean nepomuk activitiy application integration. And I think I know where this will happen, in Randa. But more about this at another time. the only thing is... I'm not entirely sure when I'll have time to make plasma- desktop support activity templates. I kinda overcommitted myself a teensy bit Is it or will it be possible to save and export activities? Then I could do some stuff. Otherwise, developing in this area. I don't know if I'm good enough already i.e. if I knew enough to work with the activity stuff (would be definitely in my area of interest as there is a connection to nepomuk). :P oops. Oh ;-( Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Default activities
Good morning So I start a new thread to discuss some (possible) default activities for KDE Plasma 4.6. Do I need to add something to the release thing on techbase? Is there a freeze near? But first I'll go through the comments in aaron's blog and through most of the KDE application (in SC and outside). So here my (not all ideas are originally mine!) proposal for some default activities: - Development: Kdevelop, Konqueror with api.kde.org open, Dolphin with kdesdk open - Internet: KMail, Konqueror/Rekonq, Akregator - Photo: Digikam, Gwenview - Office: KWord, KSpread KPresenter - Graphic: Krita, Gwenview, Ksnapshot - Multimedia (or Video and Music separate): Dragon Player, Amarok, (kaffeine), Kccd - Education: Marble, Parley, Cantor, KPotatoGuy (- Or different edu actitives? does it clash with Plasma classroom? And is it possible that one provides different activities, probably with GHNS integration?) - Games: A KDE card game, a KDE arcade game, ... This research does not include anything about the apps config or nepomuk activity application integration as I've trunk not working atm on any of my machine (should change sooner rather the later). The longer I think about the more ideas I've for activites. Can't wait for it ;-). Will be a great feature on Plasma but we need to promote it as this. Another idea I had is to take the applications out of the menu categories: - Internet activity - Graphics actitivy - Games activity - Education activity - ... Sorry for the disorder in my email... CU Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Bugs and aktivities
Morning
I try to read kde-commits for several projects and after Ivan blogged about
his most simple patch I tried to find the commit in the mailinglist (strange
person me, I know). I found it and 2 hours later Aaron sent a patch which IMHO
could reintroduce the bug, probably.
Ivan:
--- trunk/KDE/kdelibs/plasma/theme.cpp #1183401:1183402
@@ -666,7 +666,7 @@
}
// try a compressed svg file in the fallback theme
-path = d-findInTheme(svgzName % QLatin1Char('z'), d-
fallbackThemes[i]);
+path = d-findInTheme(svgName % QLatin1Char('z'), d-
fallbackThemes[i]);
if (path.isEmpty()) {
// try an uncompressed svg file in the fallback theme
Aaron:
--- trunk/KDE/kdelibs/plasma/theme.cpp #1183474:1183475
@@ -666,7 +666,7 @@
}
// try a compressed svg file in the fallback theme
-path = d-findInTheme(svgName % QLatin1Char('z'), d-
fallbackThemes[i]);
+path = d-findInTheme(svgzName, d-fallbackThemes[i]);
if (path.isEmpty()) {
// try an uncompressed svg file in the fallback theme
Am I right or just to naive and still need to learn a lot about programming. I
did not read the code of these files but just the two patches. I saw the z
reappearing in Aarons patch which Ivan removed.
Anyway. Thx for patience. Here my other topic: Activities.
Aaron wrote a blog post about activities in KDE and Gnome (which btw already
has an article on the german pro-linux.de :-). There severel proposed to
include some default activities.
First I thought: Nice idea, but an activity is more than starting some
applications. But then the idea convinced me in another area: KDE software
promotion.
By providing some activities new users get a showcase of our applications in
different task. E.g. the default Photo management activity opens Digikam (if
installed of course) and Gwenview, the default Development activity opens
Kdevelop, Kwrite/Kate and Konsole, the default Multimedia activity opens
Dragon player, Amarok and Kccd (later PMC ;-).
Another purpose for this default activity are excibition booths and staff and
new users get informed about this new concept in an easy way as they can
just start and stop different default activities and see the effect: learning
by doing.
griits
Mario
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Re: I: Re: R: Re: plasma classroom
Am Dienstag 14 September 2010, 19:51:08 schrieb LucaTringali: Morning i'd rather see the suggestions go somewhere else rather than flood this mailing list. Ok, the suggestions could be stored everyone in an html page. What do you prefer? other than that, it's a reasonable idea. could you set this up on a web server somewhere and perhaps store the results in a database or somesuch that we could then grab it from later? Sure, but it's better if it's stored on a KDE server: it would be more official, and other people could help translating it. I can create a tar file with all: you will just need to upload its content on a webserver. Don't care about to many opinions. The school system and education is such a big institution and has such different situations and wishes. You only get distracted by too many opinions and ideas. And if you once have some real working code it's much more concret for teacher and education specialist to see what's possible. Don't let people dream to much. Do something let some people work with it and see how it works. I think it's important that you have some school(s) or teachers and try to fit their needs as good as possible. Plasma is such a flexibel framework that you still can adjust it for other environments and situations. If and when you satisfy the needs of the brasilian school(system) you've done such a big task. Just IMHO Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Small hint for Plasma Classroom
Am Dienstag 14 September 2010, 19:53:29 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: Morning I'm following the things about Plasma classroom (because of time constraints I don't take a more active role) and as I was reading about the current ideas on the community wiki I wanted to leave a comment and decided to do it here. feedback is quite welcome, and preferred on the mailing list for now. i find watching the comments section on individual pages a bit slow (or maybe it's me that's slow .. either way ;) I'm the mailinglist kind of guy myself as well (iff this is an english sentence ;-). About ''Plasma Classroom Network'': A local area network consisting of one leader system and one or more participant systems. When you begin to implement this system please don't stand with only one leader system as a constraint as team teaching gets more and more popular in education (if one can afford it but that's another thing ;-). this is actually one reason why i didn't called it the teacher's system :) i'm not sure yet how i'd like to handle multiple driving systems. options include: * allowing one leader system to hand the lead off to another leader system, causing the participant machines to connect to the other system * allow leader slaves so that there is the one leader system, but other approved systems can be used to drive it Both sound nice. But what comes to my mind now is: do you have an educational scenario?!? I'm not necessarily right but my experience in this field tells me that their should first be an educational scenario and then the technology that solves the problem in this scenario and not the other way around. But I don't know about the contact with the brasilian (or other) school and education system. Do they have one or more scenarios they want technology for to solve it or do they and you (or we ;-) want to invent something nice for school. Ok. I think here were back to the involvement and ideas of teachers as they actually teach and know were the problems are and need to be solved. If there once is an established plasma system in (a) school it will evolve and grow into something really amazing (as plasma is that flexibel). i'd really like to avoid having multiple leader systems at a time for a participant system as that is likely to complicate things quite a bit. also note that since the classroom server (the database, really) will be separate from the leader system (though they could both be running on the same machine), this will make it easy to have multiple teacher computers all working on the same dataset. Sounds nice. i'd like to keep the participant systems going through the leader system as well as that allows the participant systems to be firewalled (or otherwise cut) off from the wide area network while the leader system isn't and can still access the classroom data that may be running elsewhere. So you want all the traffic (web traffic as well, file server, etc.) through the leaders system, right? a lot of the answers will probably become clearer once the leader system GUI starts to come together in a definite form, as we'll then be able to decide exactly what features should be shared between multiple teacher systems. I'd like to see prototype schools which try it out and collect experiences. Would be a nice research topic. Even a nice diploma theme. Still need one but there are so many interesting topics but sending event data around is easy; sending out commends might be a bit more complex (would require a master/slave system for the teacher systems if staying with the one-leader-system design) but as long as we can assume that the teachers are cooperative and trusted to each other, then it becomes easier (we just have to authenticate the other teacher systems to the leader system once) BTW: For them who don't know me. I did the schooling as a primary teacher, study now education and computer sciences and thus have some good educational background. for those who don't know Mario, he also holds kick ass dev sprints in the mountains of Switzerland :) Thx ;-). The next one is already in preparation... BTW2: You'll use nepomuk for the usage event information of the participant plasma desktop? for some of the events, nepomuk won't be very useful. one example use case (and yes, i need to put more use cases on the page... ): Teacher says Ok class, go to today's Math activity.. Students start switching over, teacher watches their screen which shows besides each student's name which activity they are in, with a checkmark next to each one that is in the right activity. Teacher says, John, you haven't switched yet and we're all waiting for you. Can you please stop talking with Sally and do so now? Interesting use case ;-). Two thinks: - I'd dream here of the integration of a system like iTALC [1] or (Free)NX or X2go [2]. - Not really an educational scenario but a problem of
Re: plasma classroom
Am Mittwoch 15 September 2010, 09:12:07 schrieb LucaTringali: Good morning Luca Don't let people dream to much. Do something let some people work with it and see how it works. Obiously we cannot do everything they will ask, but we can try to make real the main ideas. Of course and btw. sorry if it looks as I want to work against you! You're of course more than right when you talk about the fact, that we need to include teachers. What I meant was that there are a lot of teachers, a lot of different educational theories, a lot of school systems and we can't provide the right solution for everyone. When we start with a small (relative) group of teachers I think the success could be bigger. I'm still thinking and pondering of the idea of a diploma thesis about the Plasma Classroom (Desktop) in the field with means evaluating what a school thinks about it... Could start at the end of the year. Do you plasma guys will have some code ready by then ;-)? That's because, in my experiences, I seen that only teachers knows what they really need. More than that, if we ask them what they need and we realize it, they will use Plasma Classroom: it's like we build the solutions just for them. This could be a big opportunity to make a lot of teacher turn from propietary software to KDE and GNU/Linux. But we need to encourage them, giving what they want. Else we will do the same error that Microsoft does: creating things without thinking about the people that will use them. Absolutely. There is a big opportunity. Unfortunately the school I migrated to Linux and KDE several years back switched now back to Windows 7 and Office 10. Still try to get out why exactly... BTW: Your mails are somehow not aligned to the discussion thread in my email client (Kmail). Luca Tringali thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [GSoC 2010] Plasma Media Center Idea
Morning What about your (Alessandros) participation in the KDE Multimedia meeting in Randa/Switzerland? CU Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak III Wrap Up
Am Montag, 7. September 2009 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Good morning On Sunday 06 September 2009 15:26:25 Dario Freddi wrote: Ah, Sebastian, did you download our commercials from the camera? :D Nope, it's not my camera, I think it's Mario's. I hope he'll do it, as it looks like I'll be catching up with stuff here at home this week and won't have a lot of time to fiddle with videos... Yes. My plan is to do it tomorrow in the office. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak III Wrap Up
Am Montag, 7. September 2009 schrieb Marco Martin: Good morning On Sunday 06 September 2009 15:26:25 Dario Freddi wrote: Ah, Sebastian, did you download our commercials from the camera? :D Nope, it's not my camera, I think it's Mario's. I hope he'll do it, as it looks like I'll be catching up with stuff here at home this week and won't have a lot of time to fiddle with videos... Yes. My plan is to do it tomorrow in the office. if there still were some doubts about tat: you rock! :D Thx a lot ;-). Miss you guys @sebas: Please fill in the article one or two sentences about my plans to organize a bigger sprint in the next summer. In the house Maria am Weg http://www.hausranda.ch and if groups of KDE are interested, mail me. Thx. @all: There are some parts which stayed in Randa and are not mine: - USB cable from Canon (white) - Power Supply from Canon (black) - T-Shirt - Power connecter (afaik sebas') - Sleeping back (afaik asraniel's) Greets from Zurich Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: reminder for T3: day 1 presentation topics!
Am Dienstag, 25. August 2009 schrieb Marco Martin: Morning On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: hello... if you are attending T3, please go here: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3#Day_1_Presentations to add what your topic will be for the intro day. each attendee will speak for ~15 minutes or so on their topic, slides are optional and live demos are best. everyone who attends _will_ be presenting on the first day, whether you put your topic there or not ;) putting your topic up there will help me organize things better, however. thanks :) will there be a projector? most of the stuff kinda requires showing the shiny new toys running.. Of course! Mario ;-) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Dienstag, 25. August 2009 schrieb Chani: Morning Btw, when we arrive at Randa, how should we proceed ??? Ask someone for Mario's house ? ;) a very good question. I'll be getting on an airplane in a couple of days, my phone will not work when I'm in europe, and I'd really like to know this stuff before I go. :) I'll do a description of the way. Ok let's do it right here. I'll put it to the wiki with a photo as well. Ok, when you arrive in Randa by train go up to the street (you get out of the train at left). Then follow the street to the right up to the crossroads (and a big house called Maria am Weg). There left up to the church where the road turns left. At the next branching take the right on and follow the street several 100 meters. After some stables at right right the Chalet Nachtigall appears. Final destination. It takes you 10 to 15 minutes. If you'd like a map. Go to http://www.randa.ch (in german only) click to Ortsplan at the top. The red dot is the train station. Search for the Chalet Nachtigall at Ferienwohnungen at the left side. (Sorry, my OSM mapping is not yet ready...) also, I can buy the train ticket with visa, right? how do we get from zurich airport to the train? Aaron already answered this. About the arrivals times. I'll be there after Thursday afternoon. You should have my mobile number. When I find the time I'll come and catch you at the station myself or send someone ;-). Any other questions? Some important reminders: - Think about Swiss Francs (our currency here). - Think about the Swiss power adapters! - Think about fun and good weather. Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Montag, 17. August 2009 schrieb Marco Martin: Morning On Monday 17 August 2009, Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Friday 14 August 2009 19:20:57 Chani wrote: btw, I remember you said to bring warm clothes... just how cold will it be? For you? Luke-warm. For Artur and Annie? Freaking ccoool. ;-) i guess it will greatly depend from the weather. don't know there, but in the mountans near from where i live at ~1600mt these days is as fucking hot as everywhere else, as soon the weather becomes crap, in a period around end of august can go to around 10°C or less so yeah, we can find 10c as well 30c :p Can't agree more. The last weekend it was quite hot during the day. In the evening it's getting cold because of the glaciers but I think I repeat myself ;-). Cu Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Freitag, 14. August 2009 schrieb Chani: Morning On August 12, 2009 08:04:00 Mario Fux wrote: Good morning Here some dates or proposals to Tokamak3. As I'm not the party guy I asked my brother to guide us through the nightlife of Zermatt. I know I know, you guys would find your way through yourselves but my brother will come with us (if it's ok for you) on Saturday the 29th to Zermatt? snip And the third not yet fixed day should be a Day of the Open door for the local people to watch us (or you ;-) what you're doing. Would this be ok for you and any preference for a date? just don't make it sunday the 30th ;) IC and of course ;-). btw, I remember you said to bring warm clothes... just how cold will it be? See the other mails. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Montag, 17. August 2009 schrieb Lukas Appelhans: Morning Sorry for the late answer. Am Montag 17 August 2009 13:39:59 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: On Sunday 16 August 2009 13:11:46 Lukas Appelhans wrote: The budget is already closed unfortunately :(. I don't think that we are able to ask more for the eV but Sebastian can correct me on this one. :( Well sebas where are you? ;) Tokamak3 is already quite an expensive sprint, compared to others, and getting it financed by the e.V. wasn't so easy. I'm travelling for most of the time until T3, so I won't have the time to convince people that we want to extend the budget yet again. Okey :( Sorry from my side as well. I can't help you financially but we would find a place and computer for you when you pay yourself the travel (and of course the food but that's the same for all the others as well). Or try to find a sponsor for your travel costs. Maybe next time we can finalize the list of attendees earlier? Yeap, I didn't plan to attend until Riccardo asked me... :) Lukas Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Montag, 17. August 2009 schrieb Chani: Morning around end of august can go to around 10°C or less so yeah, we can find 10c as well 30c :p sounds like summer to me. :) so, I may need both jeans and shorts. but no woolly sweaters. I hope not but it depends on your sensitivity. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Some dates on Tokamak3
Am Montag, 17. August 2009 schrieb Dario Freddi: Hi everyone, Good morning dear people who'd like to come to the beautiful Randa. Right now I organized another appartment (10 minutes away) of another aunt. She wants only 20 CHF for cleaning and you have to say that you know her (because of the missing visitor's tax if you know what I mean ;-). for the late attendees cycle here I am as well. However, I will be coming with Riccardo by car, so basically nothing changes for sponsoring travel, as the budget ruphy already declared is fitting the both of us (even if I'm the one who will drive so I expect extra cheese and beer upon arrival :) ). I might not be able to have a laptop as well, as mine burned a month ago. I'll be back from vacations on the 20th and I hope I will be able to buy another one on time, however I will hit back the list when I'll know more. And yes if you won't bring a computer with you we'll find an solution. There is already a T23 thinkpad (quite old but) in Randa. Then my server under the roof and another older PC in my room. I'll bring my netbook and we'll see what else. Please let me know if there are any problem with my late (sorry again) attendance. Is this enough information or do you need a written invitation ;-)? And Lukas (me brooding of a possible sponsor) if you find a sponsor or other solution. You're welcome as well. griits Mario PS: Next time I'll organize an Akademy myself ;-). ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Some dates on Tokamak3
Good morning Here some dates or proposals to Tokamak3. As I'm not the party guy I asked my brother to guide us through the nightlife of Zermatt. I know I know, you guys would find your way through yourselves but my brother will come with us (if it's ok for you) on Saturday the 29th to Zermatt? This is the first special date. The second is the first of September. I told you about the friend who builds a new house which he wants to automate - probably with Plasma as the interface. He will come to the meeting on the 1st of September and brings some documentation and hardware with him (see the attached text). And the third not yet fixed day should be a Day of the Open door for the local people to watch us (or you ;-) what you're doing. Would this be ok for you and any preference for a date? Greets Mario PS: Above mentioned text (first in German and then a translation attempt ;-): Ich habe ein wenig weiterrecherchiert. Werde einen Standard 750-841 Wago-Controller einsetzen. Ich denke man müsste über eine TCP/IP- Modbus-Anbindung nachdenken http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modbus oder ber den Weg eines OPC-Servers http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLE_for_Process_Control Hier einige Quellen: http://code.google.com/p/modbus-tk/ http://forum.3s-software.com/ http://www.wago.com/wagoweb/documentation/app_note/a3000/a33d_f.htm http://www.wago.com/wagoweb/documentation/navigate/nmwn___d.htm http://www.wago.com/wagoweb/documentation/navigate/nm9do__d.htm http://www.opcconnect.com/tooltech.php Translation: He wrote: I investigated further. Will use a standard 750-841 wago-controller. Think that we should think about a TCP/IP-ModBus binding [first link] or about an OPC-Server [second link]. Some resources: [Link list] I don't no if this is of any value for you?!? ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: tokamak planning
Am Montag, 3. August 2009 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: Morning On Monday 03 August 2009, Ilya M. Cassina wrote: That's ok too, I can show up for just two days (i.e. the 4th and 5th september) and sleep anywhere (or not sleep at all, if it's just for one night!) great; as long as Mario is Ok with this (and, as our host, he does have final say as far as i'm concerned :) then this sounds like a nice opportunity to meet some more people in the local community. :) I'm ok. It would be great if you could bring some kind of air matress or thermal mat for the case I can't find any additional matresses. But there will of course be some place for you to sleep! Possibly under the rooth where our Lego land was ;-)?!? CU Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: tokamak planning
Am Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Morning On Thursday 30 July 2009, 16:22 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: ...[snip]... Seems great to me. Me thinks as well. And my organizational comments will follow tomorrow. p.s. first home automated using plasma == awesome ;) Pictures + Detailsplz !? :) I think Aaron means the thing I wrote at the end of the techbase page. A friend of mine is building a house which is automated to a certain way and didn't know the interface for the automation when I proposed Plasma. He's definitely interested and hopes to come for at least a day... More about this soon Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2009 schrieb Asraniel: Good morning indeed basel should be equaly good. You might want to check the train prices (might be slightly higher, but not much), but appart from that basel works too (i would say, beeing a swiss citizen). I would say the same. Sorry for not adding it to the techbase wiki. The main difference is the train station. In Zurich the trainstation is right in the airport. In Basel you first have to take the bus to the trainstation of Basel (called Basel SBB and NOT Basel Badischer Bahnhof). The price should be the same more or less. The travel duration as well Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2009 schrieb Celeste Lyn Paul: Hi Mario, Morning Celeste The KDE e.V. board is happy to provide funding for Tokamak 3 up to 6344EUR for travel and accommodation for 14 people. This is an adjustment to the final number you sent us minus 1890 EUR because we do not fund food. We have high expectations for Tokamak 3 and are excited to see the results through lots of good blog entries and a dot article. Please have anyone who needs an invitation letter send us an email request. Reimbursements go through the regular process. Thx a lot from my side as well! I'll organize and provide an inspiring location! Cheers! ~ Celeste Griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Good morning On Monday 27 July 2009, 12:20 Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: The KDE e.V. board is happy to provide funding for Tokamak 3 up to 6344EUR for travel and accommodation for 14 people. This is an adjustment to the final number you sent us minus 1890 EUR because we do not fund food. I would like to thank everybody in the board for this help, and say that for sure we're going to do a great use of this money. Thank you very much. Now, we can cover transportation and lodging for everybody and we can probably pay for our own food (maybe give Mario the money so he can buy the food if there are no restaurants and we need to cook by our own?) About the food: I already planed to cook for you most of the days and the menu is almost complete ;-). But I anyone wants to cook some special meal just let me know what I should buy. I planed to provide a buffet with marmale, honey, flakes, bread, fruits and co in the morning. Something warm for dinner (different stuff from Raclette, Pasta, Soup to regional specialities...) and some meat, cheese, bread and co in the evening with the rests of the day or a soup. What do you think ? What do you think ;-)? Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Good morning On Thursday 23 July 2009, 15:42 Ivan Čukić wrote: Ana Cecília Martins Barbosa: anaceciliamb at gmail.com Just came to my mind that she'll also need an invitation letter. I don't need as I have double citizenship and I come as an italian. But it's better for brazilians to have invitation letters when coming to europe. Ana: Please send us your address. Sebas: Could you please do for her the same as for Ivan? Cheers, thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2009 schrieb Chani: Good morning On July 23, 2009 20:10:04 Patrick Aljord wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Chanichan...@gmail.com wrote: it seems the costs for zurich and geneva are the same. is there any reason to pick one airport over the other, or should I flip a coin? ;) Geneva seems to be closer That's right and the train ticket is cheaper from there. crud. I just noticed a problem: all hte flights I'm seeing leave zurich or geneva between 8:30 and 9:30am. I just remembered that it's a 3-4 hour train ride. that means I'd have to get on the train around 3 or 4am. do the trains even run that early/late? No. There is one train from Randa to Zurich, Airport: leaving Randa 5:57 and arrival at the Airport 9:16. But I don't know if this train goes everyday. No such soon trains for Geneva. or maybe we take the train to the airport saturday night and find somewhere to sleep near there. or drink all night ;P In Zurich I could offer this ;-). I live their right beneath the Airport ;-). In a shared flat. I'd give you a key or call the other people of the flat. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 schrieb Asraniel: Good morning I might actually turn up a few days, but i don't know exactly when and how long (work etc). Ok. Bring your sleeping back and we'll find a place for you. But since its so close to where i live (well, thats relative, still 2-3 hours of train) i kind of have to come ;-) Where do you live? I will probably do bugfixing in plasma if i come. greetings Beat Wolf griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2009 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Morning (for real this time ;-) or maybe we take the train to the airport saturday night and find somewhere to sleep near there. or drink all night ;P In Zurich I could offer this ;-). I live their right beneath the Airport ;-). In a shared flat. I'd give you a key or call the other people of the flat. I guess that most of us would benefit from this. Ok. Our living room is quite big ;-). And if you've got your sleeping back with you it won't be a problem at all. BTW, we should add to the wiki the info about our reserved flights. Added another column. Just fill in: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3#Participants Cheerio! griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Morning On Friday 24 July 2009, 10:42 Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: Did your budget include train tickets or just air fare? A lot of people are just going by train (~5 or 6 people). This results in ~9 people that will need train tickets, right Mario ? Checked. Right! According to https://www.sbb.ch, a journey between Zurich -- Randa (Return trip) == 212 Swiss francs == 140 euros. Now, the math (I'm excluding /me and Ana from this math because if you can afford for our air tickets, I'll find some money for our train tickets): Train tickets = 7 * 140 = 980 EUR New Summary: === - Air tickets + Train tickets = ~6200 EUR - Food (9 days * 14 people * 15 EUR) = ~1890 EUR - Additional Apartment (9 days * 4 people * 4 EUR) = ~144 EUR *TOTAL* = ~8234 EUR Cheers, :) Thx Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3)
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Morning On Wednesday 22 July 2009, 14:23 Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: So to be clear, it would be ~1200 EUR (~600EUR/person) more to get more people? Ok, let's do this the proper way and using Mario's data hehe :) + 100 EUR + 120 EUR + 955 EUR BTW: This is Chani's price. 1500 CAD. So double it for Aaron. + 955 EUR + 100 EUR (we forgot this one on the last table) + 1000 EUR + 140 EUR + 350 EUR + 100 EUR + 250 EUR + 1000 EUR (Ana: based on my cost) + 150 EUR (Diego: based on other italian guys) == 4265 EUR in Total 5220 EUR in Total And don't forget the train tickets. As I don't know yet who comes by plane or just by train I can't predict this value. In total ~4115 EUR travel So, ~ yes :) ~1890 EUR lodging (9 days * 14 people * 15 EUR) Yep. ~6005 EUR total for 14 people to attend tokamak ^ is this correct? That's correct. I'm just afraid that we didn't include Aaron Seigo's travel costs as it's written PENDING in the table and I have no clue how much it would be that (and of course we can't forget him hehe :) ). Done ;-) Greets Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - Last bits
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 schrieb Chani: Good morning one thing i'm not clear on - are we supposed to be arriving on the 28th or starting on the 28th? and the same for the end date... btw, if people who have already booked post their flight #s maybe we can get some people on the same flights :) My idea as it to arrive on the 28th and to leave on the 6th. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Dear e.V. board members Here following the prospective costs and important information in a cleaner form: 14 Participants (in alphabetical order): - Aaron Seigo - Alexis Menard - Ana Cecília Martins Barbosa (fresh) - Artur Souza - Chani Armitage - Davide Bettio - Diego Casella (fresh) - Ivan Čukić - Marco Martin - Mario Fux (fresh ;-) - Martin Gräßlin (fresh) - Riccardo Iaconelli - Rob Scheepmaker - Sebastian Kügler Prospective costs for the air tickets: - ~5220 EUR in Total Prospective costs for the food: - ~1890 EUR lodging (9 days * 14 people * 15 EUR) Costs for the additional appartement for 4 persons: - ~ 144 EUR (9 days * 4 people * 4 EUR) TOTAL: - ~7254 EUR When and if there are any further questions or you need more information don't hesitate to ask. Greets from the rainy Zurich Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Prospective costs of the 3rd Plasma meeting (Tokamak3) - part 2
Morning A detail: What is Ana's email address? For a...@ktown.kde.org I get a failure. And are you, Ana, subscribed to this list? griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - Last bits
Am Dienstag, 21. Juli 2009 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): Hello everybody :) Good morning First. No need to CC: me I'm subscribed to both mailinglist. Than thx artur for coming up with this. Tokamak 3 is right around the corner and we still need to finish some bits like: - Everybody that plans to go have to fill the information on techbase asap: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3 Yes. Could you indicate on which Airport you arrive. There is a new column in the table. - Price of the train tickets; Let's see... A ticket from the Airport Zurich to Randa and back costs: 218 Swiss Francs which is approx. 145 Euro A ticket from the Airport Geneva to Randa and back costs: 170 Swiss Francs which is approx. 115 Euro - People that needs a VISA (Just Ivan?); Seems to be done now. This is important so we can estimate the costs for e.V. and to help Mario organizing all the stuff. Today I'll work on a first set of the costs for travelling and food and send this to the e.V. board. Greets Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Samstag, 18. Juli 2009 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Hi Morning Ok. Would it be ok if I write some invitation. I'm just a person and no company ... but hey, wait, I've got some company. I'm not really sure. I think it would be better if the e.V. writes the invitation to avoid the questions like and what is he to you. It is much easier to get Visa for conferences than for the casual travel. IC. Makes sense. Sebas, you're a board member. Can you give us some advice? Would a letter as pdf be enough? No, they require the printed copy :( Cheers Griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Freitag, 17. Juli 2009 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Good morning Ivan But yesterday in the news there was an article about that the Schengen area is thinking about omitting the VISA duty for Serbia, Montenegro and Yes, unfortunately it is not going to happen on the time for T3. So, I'll definitely need it as soon as possible (have no idea how long the VISA process is - it *was* one week the last time I came to CH, but it can be much longer) Ok. Would it be ok if I write some invitation. I'm just a person and no company ... but hey, wait, I've got some company. Or do you need an invitation by KDE e.V.? Would a letter as pdf be enough? Cheers p.s. CH is now a part of Schengen? (as in the VISA is the same?) Afaik we finally are part of Schengen. griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 schrieb Anne-Marie Mahfouf: Good morning annma [snip] I can't come, it's the beginning of the school year for the kids (little Clarisse joining her first year!) Oh, nice... I'll also be away for most of July and August so if someone pops in (mail, IRC, Akademy,...) and wants to work on the Picture Frame, please encourage him! Things should be less frantic from September and will allow me a better involvement in KDE. Best regards, I would have enjoyed meeting you again Mario, ... but it's a pity you can't come. But hey, if the plasma people behave perhaps I'll organize a KDE Education meeting as the next one ;-). Anne-Marie All the best Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Hi all, Good morning Ivan Since I'd be very glad to meet you all at T3, I have to ask a few questions first. The first is who (from KDE e.v.) to ask to send me an invitation mail since I will need to apply for the VISA. I've got the same question and I'm in contact with Claudia Rauch about this and other financial stuff. Will inform this list when I know it. Ups, sorry, no, I had questions about the financial stuff. But yesterday in the news there was an article about that the Schengen area is thinking about omitting the VISA duty for Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia and I remembered that you need one for Tokamak III. And the second is how much can I hope to get the travel expenses reimbursed. Will ask as well. Cheerio! Greets out of the train between Zurich and (cool) Randa Mario who sleep colder this night ;-) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 schrieb Rob Scheepmaker: Good morning I'd also like some confirmation that it's 'safe' to buy plane tickets for tokamak 3. Will there be reimbursement like Tokamak 2 and are the dates really final? From my side the dates are final. And for the reimbursement. I'm in contact with Claudia and will send a list to the board within the next hours or tomorrow. Regards, Rob Griits Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Am Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Morning On Thursday 25 June 2009 10:58:56 Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: On Wednesday 24 June 2009 23:26:18 Mario Fux wrote: Just a friendly reminder. The end of June/begin of July is near. Please add yourself to: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3 Aaron, Davide and Rob are already added. I'm planning to come to, don't have internet right now, but I'll add myself soon then. When is soon ;-)? BTW: Any other people? I should know it now. There are still possibilities for last minutes organizations but atm I think we don't need another appartement. Greets from Germany. Tomorrow I'll go to Berlin for the Linuxtag. Mario I've just met Mario on a train station in fact :-) In fact. For 30 seconds or one minute ;-). But at least you know now that I'm real ;-). But Aaron and Chani should be able to acknowledge it as well ;-). [snip] Greets Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Good morning Just a friendly reminder. The end of June/begin of July is near. Please add yourself to: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3 Aaron, Davide and Rob are already added. Greets from Germany. Tomorrow I'll go to Berlin for the Linuxtag. Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Tokamak 3 - The organization begins
Good morning all As you may now the next plasma meeting will be in Switzerland in the center of the Alpes and as the proposed dates [1] come nearer the final organization has to begin. The meeting dates are now set to: - From: Friday, August 28th 2009 - To: Saturday, September 5th 2009 We will see who can arrive when and organize the topics corresponding to the people who are available. But the Chalet [2] is reserved for you for this time. As propably some of you already saw I began to fill the techbase page with information and it's now at a state which is complete enough to announce [3]. In following coming days I'll complete the missing bits and correct my errors and mistakes [*]. I ask you to fill in the table till the end of June/beginning of July. Then we can look for the financial stuff. And read the page. If there are any questions just ask here or in private. BTW: The username and password for the photos [4] are: plasma and meeting. Greets from the now rainy Switzerland Mario BTW: Will somebody of you be at the Linuxtag in Berlin next week? I'll hold a presentation about the KDE Semantic Clipboard there. [*] Excuse my english. If you don't understand something just ask and if you find errors please correct them if possible ;-). [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalet [3] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak3 [4] http://www.unormal.org/fotos/tokamak3 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak III in Switzerland
Am Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2009 schrieb Mario Fux: Good morning once again So dear Plasma devs. What can I do to motivate you to fill in this date finding thingy: [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 Current state is a preference for the days Wednesday, September 26 to Monday, September 31. Aaron seems to prefer September. I offer the weeks from middle August to the middle of September. Five persons (including me) already showed their preference: Davide Bettio, Alessandro Diaferia, Luca Gugelmann and MoRpHeUz. So could people as Aaron, Annma, Sebastian Kuegler, Celeste, Riccardo, Chani and especially the once I forgot please fill in the form? And what about the people from Kwin. As I heard it would be good to have some of them onboard as well. I don't wanna annoy or rush you but just like to fix a date to begin with the organisation of beds, hardware, food, etc. Thx and greets from cloudy Zurich Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak III in Switzerland
Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: Hi Mario, Morning sebas On Thursday 05 March 2009 13:39:37 Mario Fux wrote: So dear Plasma devs. What can I do to motivate you to fill in this date finding thingy: [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 Current state is a preference for the days Wednesday, September 26 to Monday, September 31. Aaron seems to prefer September. I offer the weeks from middle August to the middle of September. Five persons (including me) already showed their preference: Davide Bettio, Alessandro Diaferia, Luca Gugelmann and MoRpHeUz. So could people as Aaron, Annma, Sebastian Kuegler, Celeste, Riccardo, Chani and especially the once I forgot please fill in the form? As Marco and Pinheiro said, for some people it's hard to plan right now, which, in terms of getting on with it means any of the dates has an equal chance to suck in the end, so they're all OK ;-) That's also what I filled in. I think the biggest issue was that some people want it in the last week of holiday so they don't have to skip school for Plasma (again). That's not me though, and I guess those people (modulo Chani) have already filled in. IC. And what about the people from Kwin. As I heard it would be good to have some of them onboard as well. We want to invite Lubos, Martin and Lucas as well, they're on k...@kde.org Shall I ask them and direct them to the doodle? I don't wanna annoy or rush you but just like to fix a date to begin with the organisation of beds, hardware, food, etc. Fully understandable. Thx and greets from cloudy Zurich Same weather here, luckily leaving for a summery in Brazil later today :P Lucky man you Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Tokamak III in Switzerland
Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2009 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: On Monday 16 February 2009, Mario Fux wrote: Good morning Aaron, Chani and Co So let's go concrete: - Is there still interest (see my mails last year about the details of my offering)? absolutely. Great. - Add your preferences for a date to the doodle [1]? i think September is the better option for two reasons: No problem for the first part of September from my side. But there is a preference for the end of august in the Doodle pool [1]. I'd prefer if you decide what's the best time for you all. * we have akademy in july; it's nice to give people a month in between ;) Right ;-). * traveling in August tends to be horrifically expensive if you don't live on the continent in question. the downsides to September are that it's when school starts for many people. *shurg* As said above. Decide yourself. I'll give you the range from middle of August to the middle of September. The sooner you find a common agreement the sooner you can book the flights and I'll begin to organize. - Let me begin to organize so that you'll come to a comfortable and inspiring hacking place. :) Greets Mario [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Tokamak III in Switzerland
Good morning all you Plasma hackers As I read in your blogs the Tokamak II meeting in Portugal was a real success (I'm especially excited about Nuno's AIR theme). And as you probably still know I proposed a location for the next Plasma meeting. At the KDE 4.2 release event in Zurich/Switzerland I had a quick talk with Aaron about my proposal and we left with the agreement that I'll sent another email to the list (which is hearby done ;-). There is still a doodle [1] vote for a date (end of August or beginning of September 2009) with already some people added. When there is still interest I'd like to fix the date in the coming days and weeks (say till the end of march) that I can begin to plan, organize and search for sponsoring. Furthermore the sooner we fix the meeting date and location the sooner you can begin to book the flights and apply for financial help at KDE e.V. So let's go concrete: - Is there still interest (see my mails last year about the details of my offering)? - Add your preferences for a date to the doodle [1]? - Let me begin to organize so that you'll come to a comfortable and inspiring hacking place. Greets out of the train Mario [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Tokamak in Switzerland date selection
Good morning after weeks I setup a doodle.ch survey [1] to fix a date for the Tokamak Plasma meeting in the south of Switzerland. Please check the dates and select the ones you prefer. Greets from here Mario [1] http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=8444b4t2t7t74bp9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Proposal for a Plasma meeting location (Tokamak III?)
Good morning all I'd like to make you a proposal and offer for the location of a possible next Plasma meeting (Tokamak III?). And here is the overview to this mail: - Abstract - Offer in detail: -- Exact location -- Sleeping -- Time date - Something about me - And at the end an excuse for my bad english... Abstract: - I'd like you to offer my family's vacation home for a next Plasma meeting. It's located in the middle of the Alpes (Switzerland) in a very inspiring area. The house offers room for 10-20 people working there and 10-12 people sleeping there (there will be other possibilities to sleep nearby). The best date for me would be between middle of January and the middle of February 2009 which is around or short after the release of KDE 4.2 [1]. Offer in detail: - What's included? -- -- Working rooms -- Electricity -- A decent internet connection -- Other infrastructure: e.g. whiteboard, cables, network, etc. -- Heating (it'll be winter then ;-) -- Sleeping possibilities inhouse for most of the people and I'll try to get more (from my aunt) for the rest (there will be a solution!) -- I'll try to find sponsors for the food and will see that you won't go hungry to bed. -- An inspiring and wonderful winter landscape... - Exact location? - The house is located in Randa [2] a small village in the middle of the Alpes in Switzerland. Randa is located near to a famous winter sport destination called Zermatt [3]. The village is reachable by public traffic and cars. If you come by plane you can chose from three different airports (Zurich, Switzerland; Geneva, Switzerland and Malpensa, Italy) which are all approx. three hours away from Randa. Randa and Zermatt are located in the Canton Valais [3] in the south of Switzerland near the Italian border. In Valais people speak French and German. - Sleeping conditions? -- I can offer warm rooms but we won't have enough beds for all the people in the house. What I can and will offer are the few beds, mattresses, futons and other possibilites to sleep. For the people which have no room in the house to sleep I'll try to get one or two appartements 1 minute away. But I'm not yet sure about the financial conditions of these appartements. I'll do my best ;-). - Time date? -- The personal reason to chose the interval from middle of January to the middle of February 2009 are quite simple: I've exams till the middle of January and the university begins again at the middle of February. But I think the timing isn't that bad as you see in the release schedule of KDE [1]. Something about me: --- I use free software since 10 years and try to promote it where and when I can. Since 5 years I study education, computer sciences and computational linguistics at the university of Zurich, Switzerland. But in 1999 I already finished a schooling as a primary school teacher. My experience with KDE is mainly as a user. Since almost 4 years the primary school in Ried-Brig (the village in Valais where I grew up) uses KDE as their main desktop. Last year in Glasgow at the Akademy I presented their usage of free software. I lurk since years on more than 10 KDE mailinglists and hope to finally start to contribute to KDE codewise this next term... So what do you think? Are you interested? Would this be something for a Plasma meeting? I'll be AFK till the weekend and will answer possible questions from then on. If you're interested I'll offer even more information and details and photos... Greets from Switzerland and happy hacking Mario [1] http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule [2] http://www.randa.ch (only German) [3] http://www.zermatt.ch [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valais ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
