Re: [PLUG] CPU info needed

[Tomas Kuchta]

If I would be building PC now, for similar usage patterns. I would
definitely go AMD Ryzen route + fanless low end MSI Nvidia GT 1030 cards
for about $70.

AMD just dropped their Ryzen CPU prices, so that should help

If you chose go the Intel CPU route, you will not need to buy graphics
card. What you save on graphics will most likely be spent on more expensive
motherboard.

Though Intel Linux support is second to none. Their graphics just works as
long as you do not buy their latest CPUs for the first half year. So, I'd
forget about Coffee Lake untill about May-ish.

Hope it helps,
T



On Feb 1, 2018 8:16 PM, "Jason Barnett"  wrote:

> I think only AMD's mobile CPUs have integrated graphics. I know my Ryzen 7
> desktop does NOT have integrated graphics.  AMD has a new open source
> driver AMDGPU that performs quite well under Linux.  I typically build my
> own systems, but bought a prebuilt one because it had good parts and I
> could not buy half the parts for the cost of a complete system.
> The Ryzen processors are an excellent value, perform quite well and the
> motherboards are reasonably priced. I can't say the same for Intel
> CPUs/motherboards.
>  The most expensive part of the build will likely be RAM. DDR4 is still a
> bit pricey. I have 8GB and it has been sufficient for my use. I may add
> more in a couple of years when the prices come down a bit.
>
> While shopping, you can use this for comparison on prices:
> This is what I bought for ~$550 after multiple discounts were applied ($780
> before discounts), 6 months ago:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06W5J5XJJ/ref=oh_aui_
> detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
> If you are planning on buying from Amazon, I recommend using the website
> camelcamelcamel.com to see the price history for the items you are looking
> for.  Here is the ccc for the system I bought, the price would swing from
> $1170 to $780 in a matter of days.
> https://camelcamelcamel.com/iBUYPOWER-AM3101EA-Desktop-
> Gaming-8-Core/product/B06W5J5XJJ
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:10 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > First, let me make it clear that when it comes to CPUs, motherboards
> > and RAMI am hopelessly out of date. I was out of date four years ago
> > when I bought my laptop - I just selected component options based on the
> > price. I had no idea what any of the features of the CPU actually did.
> >
> > So now I need to buy a CPU, motherboard and RAM for the new desktop
> > computer that I am going to build. From web sites I see that you can pay
> > up to a couple thousand dollars for a CPU, so for my first step in the
> > decision making process I drew a line at ~$300 for the CPU. Intel/AMD
> > are going to have to find someone else foolish enough to pay thousands
> > of dollars for a CPU.
> >
> > My current desktop has an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ on an ASUS
> > M2NPV-VM motherboard with nVidia video. It is pathetically slow. My
> > laptop has an Intel Core i7-4800 MQ CPU @ 2.7GHz. It is fast enough,
> > but I'd like the new desktop to have something faster, if only to stave
> > off obsolescence.
> >
> > I'm not averse to AMD, but don't their CPUs now come with video built
> > in, and haven't there been some driver issues with Linux?
> >
> > And speaking of video, my current monitor will do 1920x1080 and the
> > ancient nVIDIA on the ASUS motherboard drives it fine. But some day 4K
> > will no longer be cutting edge, so planning ahead for it might be a
> > good idea.
> >
> > Most of what the desktop does is stream internet radio all day long and
> > play over the air tv or movies at night. This is trivial work, but
> > sometimes I rip and encode a Blu-ray movie. On the faster laptop this
> > will take 2-4 hours. I tried it once on the current desktop and it took
> > a day and a half. I use Handbrake for this stuff and while it is
> > working it takes over 90% of the CPU. So I can justify a reasonably
> > fast processor.
> >
> > I asked DuckDuckGo what kind of CPU to get and was presented with a
> > bewildering array of choices. There's i3, 15 and i7, there are cores
> > and threads, there are different GHz ratings, not to mention Kaby Lake,
> > Skylake and even Coffee Lake. (Coffee Lake? So if I get one of these I
> > can just stick a spigot in the case and throw away my coffee maker?)
> >
> > I need a really, really dumbed down explanation, dumber than I have
> > found on the net.
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Re: [PLUG] CPU info needed

[Jason Barnett]

I think only AMD's mobile CPUs have integrated graphics. I know my Ryzen 7
desktop does NOT have integrated graphics.  AMD has a new open source
driver AMDGPU that performs quite well under Linux.  I typically build my
own systems, but bought a prebuilt one because it had good parts and I
could not buy half the parts for the cost of a complete system.
The Ryzen processors are an excellent value, perform quite well and the
motherboards are reasonably priced. I can't say the same for Intel
CPUs/motherboards.
 The most expensive part of the build will likely be RAM. DDR4 is still a
bit pricey. I have 8GB and it has been sufficient for my use. I may add
more in a couple of years when the prices come down a bit.

While shopping, you can use this for comparison on prices:
This is what I bought for ~$550 after multiple discounts were applied ($780
before discounts), 6 months ago:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06W5J5XJJ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1

If you are planning on buying from Amazon, I recommend using the website
camelcamelcamel.com to see the price history for the items you are looking
for.  Here is the ccc for the system I bought, the price would swing from
$1170 to $780 in a matter of days.
https://camelcamelcamel.com/iBUYPOWER-AM3101EA-Desktop-Gaming-8-Core/product/B06W5J5XJJ


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:10 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> First, let me make it clear that when it comes to CPUs, motherboards
> and RAMI am hopelessly out of date. I was out of date four years ago
> when I bought my laptop - I just selected component options based on the
> price. I had no idea what any of the features of the CPU actually did.
>
> So now I need to buy a CPU, motherboard and RAM for the new desktop
> computer that I am going to build. From web sites I see that you can pay
> up to a couple thousand dollars for a CPU, so for my first step in the
> decision making process I drew a line at ~$300 for the CPU. Intel/AMD
> are going to have to find someone else foolish enough to pay thousands
> of dollars for a CPU.
>
> My current desktop has an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ on an ASUS
> M2NPV-VM motherboard with nVidia video. It is pathetically slow. My
> laptop has an Intel Core i7-4800 MQ CPU @ 2.7GHz. It is fast enough,
> but I'd like the new desktop to have something faster, if only to stave
> off obsolescence.
>
> I'm not averse to AMD, but don't their CPUs now come with video built
> in, and haven't there been some driver issues with Linux?
>
> And speaking of video, my current monitor will do 1920x1080 and the
> ancient nVIDIA on the ASUS motherboard drives it fine. But some day 4K
> will no longer be cutting edge, so planning ahead for it might be a
> good idea.
>
> Most of what the desktop does is stream internet radio all day long and
> play over the air tv or movies at night. This is trivial work, but
> sometimes I rip and encode a Blu-ray movie. On the faster laptop this
> will take 2-4 hours. I tried it once on the current desktop and it took
> a day and a half. I use Handbrake for this stuff and while it is
> working it takes over 90% of the CPU. So I can justify a reasonably
> fast processor.
>
> I asked DuckDuckGo what kind of CPU to get and was presented with a
> bewildering array of choices. There's i3, 15 and i7, there are cores
> and threads, there are different GHz ratings, not to mention Kaby Lake,
> Skylake and even Coffee Lake. (Coffee Lake? So if I get one of these I
> can just stick a spigot in the case and throw away my coffee maker?)
>
> I need a really, really dumbed down explanation, dumber than I have
> found on the net.
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[PLUG] Fwd: Ticket Received - Re: CPU info needed

[Michael Rasmussen]

I believe it was Rich Shepard who asked about this. Now I am too. 

Why do I get a message from supp...@webafrica.freshdesk.com after
sending a message to PLUG? 

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DATE:
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Re: [PLUG] CPU info needed

[Michael Rasmussen]

On 2018-02-01 18:10, John Jason Jordan wrote:

First, let me make it clear that when it comes to CPUs, motherboards
and RAM I am hopelessly out of date. I was out of date four years ago
when I bought my laptop - I just selected component options based on 
the

price. I had no idea what any of the features of the CPU actually did.

...

I need a really, really dumbed down explanation, dumber than I have
found on the net.


Go to System76 and see what they provision in their Wild Dog and Leopard 
desktops. Use that as a starting guide. Remember that the lowest cost 
CPU + Lots of RAM will outperform the highest cost CPU + Minimal RAM for 
most use cases.


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[PLUG] CPU info needed

[John Jason Jordan]

First, let me make it clear that when it comes to CPUs, motherboards
and RAMI am hopelessly out of date. I was out of date four years ago
when I bought my laptop - I just selected component options based on the
price. I had no idea what any of the features of the CPU actually did.

So now I need to buy a CPU, motherboard and RAM for the new desktop
computer that I am going to build. From web sites I see that you can pay
up to a couple thousand dollars for a CPU, so for my first step in the
decision making process I drew a line at ~$300 for the CPU. Intel/AMD
are going to have to find someone else foolish enough to pay thousands
of dollars for a CPU.

My current desktop has an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ on an ASUS
M2NPV-VM motherboard with nVidia video. It is pathetically slow. My
laptop has an Intel Core i7-4800 MQ CPU @ 2.7GHz. It is fast enough,
but I'd like the new desktop to have something faster, if only to stave
off obsolescence.

I'm not averse to AMD, but don't their CPUs now come with video built
in, and haven't there been some driver issues with Linux?

And speaking of video, my current monitor will do 1920x1080 and the
ancient nVIDIA on the ASUS motherboard drives it fine. But some day 4K
will no longer be cutting edge, so planning ahead for it might be a
good idea.

Most of what the desktop does is stream internet radio all day long and
play over the air tv or movies at night. This is trivial work, but
sometimes I rip and encode a Blu-ray movie. On the faster laptop this
will take 2-4 hours. I tried it once on the current desktop and it took
a day and a half. I use Handbrake for this stuff and while it is
working it takes over 90% of the CPU. So I can justify a reasonably
fast processor.

I asked DuckDuckGo what kind of CPU to get and was presented with a
bewildering array of choices. There's i3, 15 and i7, there are cores
and threads, there are different GHz ratings, not to mention Kaby Lake,
Skylake and even Coffee Lake. (Coffee Lake? So if I get one of these I
can just stick a spigot in the case and throw away my coffee maker?)

I need a really, really dumbed down explanation, dumber than I have
found on the net. 
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Re: [PLUG] Do any of you have a contact at Fibersphere?

[Tomas Kuchta]

They have customer support phones published on their website. I am sure
that there will be the usual phone gateway menu with tones of of option for
reporting all sorts of things.


On Feb 1, 2018 1:56 PM, "Bill Weiss"  wrote:

> I have a private question for someone with a clue over there. I tried a
> couple of obvious addresses (security, abuse, postmaster) and didn't get
> anyone. It's not super urgent, but I suspect they would like to hear it :)
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Daniel Hedlund wrote:


The .com domain is still being hosted by linode and the host still has an
smtp server running. I'm guessing that's where the mail is coming from
(45.33.84.65), but you would need to check the email headers from an email
you've received from the list to confirm.


Daniel,

  Looking at github.com I discovered that the .com name is active, but it
used to be under the .org name. I used the URL in the monthly subscription
message to try to unsubscribe and it pointed to the .org TLD.


If that's where the email is originating, I believe you host your own mail
server, so you can add that "45.33.84.65 ledger123.org" to your mail
server's /etc/hosts file and try to send an email.


  There's been no mail on the list for several years and I stopped using
the application long ago. Rather than wasting time on this (yours, John's,
mine, etc.) I just added that domain name to /etc/postfix/badaddr and future
monthly reminders will be rejected.

  I did sent Armaghan a message at his gmail address but when he switched
TLDs he didn't notify me; perhaps not any other list subscriber, either.

Thanks,

Rich


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[PLUG] Do any of you have a contact at Fibersphere?

[Bill Weiss]

I have a private question for someone with a clue over there. I tried a
couple of obvious addresses (security, abuse, postmaster) and didn't get
anyone. It's not super urgent, but I suspect they would like to hear it :)

Thanks,

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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, John Meissen wrote:


Won't help. ledger123.org doesn't have an MX record associated with it, so
there's no way to send email to the domain.


John,

  I thought the lack of an MX record would prevent messages to Mailman, but
I tried and it apparently went directly to /dev/nul with passing Go or
paying 200 euros.

Regards,

Rich


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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, wes wrote:


Mailman isn't a web server application. It has a web interface, but it's
not required for Mailman to work. It just means that whatever server the
original maintainer was using to host web and mail services for this
product is still up and running. Probably hosting whatever his new endeavor
is.


Wes,

  True, that. It's written in Python.


Imagine if your domain expired. Your copy of Mailman running on your
system at your house would still be happily sending out monthly membership
notices, none the wiser. The only difference it would notice is a sudden
drop in incoming messages.


  So, the server on which Mailman is installed is still running and
connected to the 'Net with a new IP address and domain name. This answers my
question.

Thanks,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[wes]

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Daniel Bolduc wrote:
>
> Rich, your original message lists the expiry date as 2019.
>>
>
>   That's correct, and as I wrote in my original message I sent Armaghan an
> e-mail about this. However, I've sent several messsages to him over the
> past
> couple of years with no response.
>
>   My curiosity is why Mailman sends out notices about a defunct mail list
> when it's a web server application and the web server appears to not be
> active.
>
> Rich
>
>
Mailman isn't a web server application. It has a web interface, but it's
not required for Mailman to work. It just means that whatever server the
original maintainer was using to host web and mail services for this
product is still up and running. Probably hosting whatever his new endeavor
is.

You can't reach it because the domain is no longer set up. Maybe he just
quit paying for the hosting package at his provider.

Imagine if your domain expired. Your copy of Mailman running on your system
at your house would still be happily sending out monthly membership
notices, none the wiser. The only difference it would notice is a sudden
drop in incoming messages.

-wes
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Michael Rasmussen]

On 2018-02-01 09:42, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Louis Kowolowski wrote:


You could look in the headers for the sender's IP and try pointing a
browser there. You might be able to still use the mailman interface.


  All I want to do is unsubscribe so I no longer receive the monthly
reminders. I deleted this morning's message. And whois does not provide 
an

IP address or range:


Mailman will help with that. Send an email to 
-requ...@ledger123.org with a message subject of unsubscribe. 
You don't mention that listname.


As an example to unsubscribe from this email list you would send a 
message to plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org with a subject of unsubscribe.


The  message headers of emails from the list "should" include this 
information.


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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Daniel Bolduc wrote:


Rich, your original message lists the expiry date as 2019.


  That's correct, and as I wrote in my original message I sent Armaghan an
e-mail about this. However, I've sent several messsages to him over the past
couple of years with no response.

  My curiosity is why Mailman sends out notices about a defunct mail list
when it's a web server application and the web server appears to not be
active.

Rich
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[PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT PLUG Meeting: Municipal Broadband in Portland

[Michael Dexter]

Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement

Who: Russell Senior
What: How to get a Municipal Broadband network in the City of Portland
Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level)
When: Thursday, February 1st, 2018 at 7pm
Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live

How to get a Municipal Broadband network in the City of Portland

As many of you know, Russell has been kind of passionate about building 
an open-access Internet infrastructure in Portland for the last decade 
or more. No privately owned network would voluntarily allow open-access, 
and hasn't since the DSL days (when they were required to), and the 
Feds, namely the FCC has been steadfast in its refusal to enforce 
line-sharing (essentially the same thing as open access) on 
infrastructure built since 1996. Many of you may have heard about the 
FCC action in December rescinding the relatively new Title II regulation 
of ISPs and the Network Neutrality rules that went with it. With the 
consciousness raising this event has provided, there is a new window of 
opportunity from the groundswell of interest to create pressure on our 
political systems, namely City Council in Portland OR, failing that, an 
initiative petition to provide a local solution.


Russell will describe the problem and what a solution would look like, 
where the user ends up in the driver seat.


Bring your Net Neutrality questions!

Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250473188

Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the meeting.

Rideshares to the Lucky Lab available

PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its 
mailing lists or at its meetings.


PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/
Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux

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[PLUG] TONIGHT PLUG Meeting: Municipal Broadband in Portland

[Michael Dexter]

Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement

Who: Russell Senior
What: How to get a Municipal Broadband network in the City of Portland
Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level)
When: Thursday, February 1st, 2018 at 7pm
Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live

How to get a Municipal Broadband network in the City of Portland

As many of you know, Russell has been kind of passionate about building 
an open-access Internet infrastructure in Portland for the last decade 
or more. No privately owned network would voluntarily allow open-access, 
and hasn't since the DSL days (when they were required to), and the 
Feds, namely the FCC has been steadfast in its refusal to enforce 
line-sharing (essentially the same thing as open access) on 
infrastructure built since 1996. Many of you may have heard about the 
FCC action in December rescinding the relatively new Title II regulation 
of ISPs and the Network Neutrality rules that went with it. With the 
consciousness raising this event has provided, there is a new window of 
opportunity from the groundswell of interest to create pressure on our 
political systems, namely City Council in Portland OR, failing that, an 
initiative petition to provide a local solution.


Russell will describe the problem and what a solution would look like, 
where the user ends up in the driver seat.


Bring your Net Neutrality questions!

Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250473188

Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the meeting.

Rideshares to the Lucky Lab available

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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[John Meissen]

I notice the domain registration says

 Registrant Name: Armaghan  Saqib
 Registrant Organization: Maverick Solutions
 Registrant Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
 Registrant City: London
 Registrant State/Province: Middlesex
 Registrant Postal Code: HA9 8SS
 Registrant Country: GB
 Registrant Phone: +44.2030075505
 Registrant Phone Ext: 
 Registrant Email: sa...@ledger123.com

www.ledger123.com  appears to be alive and well

Given that he owns the .org domain, I would start there.



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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Louis Kowolowski wrote:


You could look in the headers for the sender's IP and try pointing a
browser there. You might be able to still use the mailman interface.


  All I want to do is unsubscribe so I no longer receive the monthly
reminders. I deleted this morning's message. And whois does not provide an
IP address or range:

$ whois ledger123.org
Domain Name: LEDGER123.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D161242365-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server:
Registrar URL: https://www.onlinenic.com
Updated Date: 2018-01-22T01:04:39Z
Creation Date: 2011-01-19T01:36:38Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-01-19T01:36:38Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date:
Registrar: OnlineNIC Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 82
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited 
https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod https://icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod
Registry Registrant ID: C101565128-LROR
Registrant Name: Armaghan  Saqib
Registrant Organization: Maverick Solutions
Registrant Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Registrant Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Registrant City: London
Registrant State/Province: Middlesex
Registrant Postal Code: HA9 8SS
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.2030075505
Registrant Phone Ext: 
Registrant Fax: +44.2030075505
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: sa...@ledger123.com
Registry Admin ID: C101565132-LROR
Admin Name: Armaghan  Saqib
Admin Organization: Maverick Solutions
Admin Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Admin Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Admin City: London
Admin State/Province: Middlesex
Admin Postal Code: HA9 8SS
Admin Country: GB
Admin Phone: +44.2030075505
Admin Phone Ext: 
Admin Fax: +44.2030075505
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: sa...@ledger123.com
Registry Tech ID: C101565135-LROR
Tech Name: Armaghan  Saqib
Tech Organization: Maverick Solutions
Tech Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Tech Street: 69 Chamberlayne Ave, Wembley
Tech City: London
Tech State/Province: Middlesex
Tech Postal Code: HA9 8SS
Tech Country: GB
Tech Phone: +44.2030075505
Tech Phone Ext: 
Tech Fax: +44.2030075505
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: sa...@ledger123.com
Name Server: NS2.ONLINENIC.NET
Name Server: NS3.ONLINENIC.NET

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Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, John Meissen wrote:


To be more specific, a valid domain only provides a mapping between a name
and and an IP address so that incoming traffic can determine how to get
there. It has nothing to do with the web or mail server operation itself.

There may very well still be a web server out there still listening for
connections, there's just no longer any way to determine from the domain name
what address that web server is actually listening on.


John,

  In this case I would not see a page telling me that domain is parked,
expired (not resting), or otherwise not able to display a page. Take a look
at .

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Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[Louis Kowolowski]

You could look in the headers for the sender's IP and try pointing a browser 
there. You might be able to still use the mailman interface.


> On Feb 1, 2018, at 10:56 AM, John Meissen  wrote:
> 
> 
> rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said:
>>   Thanks for clarifying. I assumed that because Mailman had a BUI it required
>> a web server as host. 
> 
> There may actually be a functioning web server.
> 
> To be more specific, a valid domain only provides a mapping between a name 
> and 
> and an IP address so that incoming traffic can determine how to get there. It 
> has nothing to do with the web or mail server operation itself. 
> 
> There may very well still be a web server out there still listening for 
> connections, there's just no longer any way to determine from the domain name 
> what address that web server is actually listening on.
> 
> 
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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[John Meissen]

rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said:
>Thanks for clarifying. I assumed that because Mailman had a BUI it required
> a web server as host. 

There may actually be a functioning web server.

To be more specific, a valid domain only provides a mapping between a name and 
and an IP address so that incoming traffic can determine how to get there. It 
has nothing to do with the web or mail server operation itself. 

There may very well still be a web server out there still listening for 
connections, there's just no longer any way to determine from the domain name 
what address that web server is actually listening on.



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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders

[John Meissen]

rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said:
>So my question is: how can mail...@ledger123.org keep sending monthly mail
> list subscription reminders when the web site no longer exists? 

Because mail servers and web servers are two different things, and mail servers 
only depend on domains to route INCOMING mail, and have no dependency on an 
actual domain to SEND mail. You can claim to be anything you want in your 
outgoing email. But then it might be difficult for people to reply. :-P


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