[PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my 
goals using MATE's workspaces.


I found one reference stating explicitly that it cannot be done.

Workspaces in Mate can be individually named, but they share the same 
wallpaper and desktop icons with each other.


Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.

How might this be done?
TIA



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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Russell Senior]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
> using MATE's workspaces.
>
> I found one reference stating explicitly that it cannot be done.
> 
>>
>> Workspaces in Mate can be individually named, but they share the same
>> wallpaper and desktop icons with each other.
>
>
> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.
>
> How might this be done?
> TIA
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 01:41 AM, Russell Senior wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration


That describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

Asking on the debian-user list referred me to KDE's "activities".


which links to
  


  

I have some reading followed by thoughtful re-reading to do :}
Thank you.



On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
using MATE's workspaces.

I found one reference stating explicitly that it cannot be done.



Workspaces in Mate can be individually named, but they share the same
wallpaper and desktop icons with each other.



Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.

How might this be done?
TIA



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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Tomas Kuchta]

I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.

On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by locking
the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching between
the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for graphical
environment.

Tomas

On Feb 17, 2018 4:37 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

> On 02/17/2018 01:41 AM, Russell Senior wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration
>>
>
> That describes what triggered my thoughts.
> It links to  
> which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
> user experience I want.
>
> Asking on the debian-user list referred me to KDE's "activities".
>
> 
> which links to
>    >
>
>  -linux-desktop-classic-1.html>
>   
>
> I have some reading followed by thoughtful re-reading to do :}
> Thank you.
>
>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Richard Owlett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
>>> using MATE's workspaces.
>>>
>>> I found one reference stating explicitly that it cannot be done.
>>> >> aces-how-do-they-differ.html>
>>>

 Workspaces in Mate can be individually named, but they share the same
 wallpaper and desktop icons with each other.

>>>
>>>
>>> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
>>> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
>>> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host
>>> device.
>>>
>>> How might this be done?
>>> TIA
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:

I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.


I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an 
"either/or" situation.

I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
Just color me confuzed ;/



On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by locking
the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching between
the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for graphical
environment.


For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical 
Lenovo T510.




Tomas



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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Tomas Kuchta]

It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being setup
by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
days.

So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different login
managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use different
login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome - locking
the session might not give you the option to start new one.

Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should be
able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...

For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.

If I understand your question correctly.

T

On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

> On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>
>> I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
>> depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.
>>
>
> I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
> I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
> "either/or" situation.
> I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
> Just color me confuzed ;/
>
>
>> On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by locking
>> the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching between
>> the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...
>>
>> For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
>> graphical
>> environment.
>>
>
> For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
> Lenovo T510.
>
>
>> Tomas
>>
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
This morning I've been reading


  and
  

I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal and KDE.
It appears that fvwm-crystal should be optimal for my idiosyncratic 
preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens 

Thank you.

On 02/19/2018 01:40 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:

It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being setup
by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
days.

So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different login
managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use different
login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome - locking
the session might not give you the option to start new one.

Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should be
able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...

For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.

If I understand your question correctly.

T

On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:


On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:


I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.



I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
"either/or" situation.
I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
Just color me confuzed ;/



On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by locking
the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching between
the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
graphical
environment.



For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
Lenovo T510.



Tomas




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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Russell Senior]

I don't know what your goals are, fwiw.  It might help to spell them out.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
> I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
> This morning I've been reading
>
>
>   and
>   
>
> I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal and KDE.
> It appears that fvwm-crystal should be optimal for my idiosyncratic
> preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens 
> Thank you.
>
>
> On 02/19/2018 01:40 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>
>> It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
>> switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being
>> setup
>> by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
>> days.
>>
>> So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different login
>> managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use different
>> login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome - locking
>> the session might not give you the option to start new one.
>>
>> Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
>> login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should be
>> able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
>> Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...
>>
>> For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.
>>
>> If I understand your question correctly.
>>
>> T
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>>
 I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
 depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.

>>>
>>> I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
>>> I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
>>> "either/or" situation.
>>> I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
>>> Just color me confuzed ;/
>>>
>>>
 On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by
 locking
 the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching
 between
 the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

 For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
 graphical
 environment.

>>>
>>> For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
>>> Lenovo T510.
>>>
>>>
 Tomas
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/19/2018 05:47 PM, Russell Senior wrote:

I don't know what your goals are, fwiw.  It might help to spell them out.



 That's why I mentioned KDE "activities".
https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html

I'm investigating lvwm and lvwm-crystal as I find KDE "uncomfortable".
It appears I can get what I want without excessive featuritis of KDE.



On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
This morning I've been reading


  and
   

I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal and KDE.
It appears that fvwm-crystal should be optimal for my idiosyncratic
preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens 
Thank you.


On 02/19/2018 01:40 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:


It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being
setup
by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
days.

So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different login
managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use different
login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome - locking
the session might not give you the option to start new one.

Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should be
able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...

For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.

If I understand your question correctly.

T

On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:


On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:


I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.



I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
"either/or" situation.
I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
Just color me confuzed ;/



On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by
locking
the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching
between
the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
graphical
environment.



For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
Lenovo T510.



Tomas



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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Russell Senior]

I have no idea what a kde activities is, fwiw. Why don't you explain in
English what it is your goal is, and then we won't have to guess?

On Feb 20, 2018 3:39 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

> On 02/19/2018 05:47 PM, Russell Senior wrote:
>
>> I don't know what your goals are, fwiw.  It might help to spell them out.
>>
>>
>  That's why I mentioned KDE "activities".
> https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html
>
> I'm investigating lvwm and lvwm-crystal as I find KDE "uncomfortable".
> It appears I can get what I want without excessive featuritis of KDE.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
>>> I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
>>> This morning I've been reading
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>> I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal and KDE.
>>> It appears that fvwm-crystal should be optimal for my idiosyncratic
>>> preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens 
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/19/2018 01:40 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>>

 It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
 switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being
 setup
 by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
 days.

 So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different
 login
 managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use
 different
 login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome -
 locking
 the session might not give you the option to start new one.

 Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
 login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should
 be
 able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
 Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...

 For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.

 If I understand your question correctly.

 T

 On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

 On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>
> I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
>> depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.
>>
>>
> I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
> I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
> "either/or" situation.
> I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like
> properties.
> Just color me confuzed ;/
>
>
> On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by
>> locking
>> the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching
>> between
>> the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...
>>
>> For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
>> graphical
>> environment.
>>
>>
> For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
> Lenovo T510.
>
>
> Tomas
>>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[David Fleck]

On Tue, 2018-02-20 at 03:41 -0800, Russell Senior wrote:
> I have no idea what a kde activities is, fwiw. Why don't you explain
> in
> English what it is your goal is, and then we won't have to guess?

From Richard's link:

Activities were introduced with the KDE 4 release series. For some
reason, they have never caught on, partly because the project has
rarely emphasized or explained them, and partly because how they are
different from virtual workspaces has never been clear. It doesn't
help, either, that from the virtual workspace pager on the panel, you
can set virtual workspaces so that each can have its own icons, widgets
and settings, just as Activities can.

I've been using KDE + SuSE for over a decade, and I *still* haven't figured out 
what "Activities" are or why I need them. On the other hand, I've found that I 
can ignore their existence without detriment.

(I'd just like to take this opportunity to give a shout-out to whomever put 
together the OpenSuSE 42.2 -> 42.3 update process. Smoothest upgrade I've ever 
done, on any OS.)


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