Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > I am not sure he's able to ping an ip address off-site, but the > reports have been too fragmentary to really tell. > My reports were not making much sense partially because the entire issue has been so cloudy. I now have the issue resolved (I think) - at least now all seems calm - and I think I’m in a better position to describe what happened. All of your information gathering and pointers as to where to start pinpointing the culprit’s was spot-on, and, mostly already verified. My problem seems to have begun with mis-describing the actual problem. The first sign of a problem centered around an issue getting out of the modem and into the Internet itself. All of the signs from inside pointed towards DNS problems, or the like. In actuality I now believe the issue was in the modem. When I was finally able to speak to someone at Frontier with Knowledge, he started me resetting various ip addresses, dos settings, turning dhcp off then on, etc. I was starting to get the idea the next command was to be “now stand on one foot and make a noise like a chicken” . But his suggestions started to clear up the issues, all based on re-doing the settings on the modem. Of course, by this time I had managed to trash the better part of my LAN along with screwing up the router! Finally got that all sorted out and now seem to have things again working properly. The original DSL connection, from Aracnet, was handled by a Zoom 5792 ADSL Modem/Router and has worked flawlessly., so I saw no reason to use Frontier’s modem when switching over. When they completed the switch, they wanted to send a rep out to “hook me up and set me up”. I got them to give me the login/password stuff and got the Zoom modem up while on the phone with them. For some reason they sent me a Netgear D2200D modem with Frontier stuff pasted all over it. As part of getting tech support to even talk to me, I broke out the Netgear modem and am using it now. Why the Zoom DSL modem got it’s brain scrambled is what I now would like to find out. So many thanks again for the assistance. I’n strictly an amateur at this, but have been at it a good long time. Managed to keep together this smallish network of 3 Linux boxes as well as the router and a couple of Macs and phones and such, but it’s been working and working well since dial-up days, and I never saw a crash like tis. Thanks Bob "If You want to Get Right ... ... Be Right" ... jld ... ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
I am not sure he's able to ping an ip address off-site, but the reports have been too fragmentary to really tell. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Unless I missed something, it seems pretty simple - Bob has demonstrated > that he is able to ping IPs from LAN behind his router. What he cannot do > is to ping URLs such as www.google.com. > > So, he needs to fix DNS forwarding at the router, so that the router can > properly hand DNS configuration to the clients. > > Tomas > > On Dec 15, 2017 6:51 PM, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Ishak Micheil wrote: >> >> I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is >> good. >> Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com >> Or >> 8.8.8.8 >> >> >> Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate >> that? If the answer is yes, then it's frontier that should be able to help >> you. >> What is your frontier modem model? >> Once I know the model I can walk you possibly to the modem logs. >> > > I’m beginning to believe the pertinent questions revolve around knowing > what it was that caused this in the first place. > > The options I got today from the DSL tech at Frontier have me well on the > way to “fixing” this issue - - I am becoming more interested in the cause. > > I’m not much more than moderately adept at networking in general, but I do > know events like I’ve been experiencing are not normal and, in many ways, > almost impossible to happen - - but they did. So logic tells me something > had to have caused this. > > Soon as I can fix up this router issue, I believe the issue will clear, > giving more time to figure out why and how. > > Thanks to all for the help > > Bob > >--- > 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
Unless I missed something, it seems pretty simple - Bob has demonstrated that he is able to ping IPs from LAN behind his router. What he cannot do is to ping URLs such as www.google.com. So, he needs to fix DNS forwarding at the router, so that the router can properly hand DNS configuration to the clients. Tomas On Dec 15, 2017 6:51 PM, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Ishak Micheil wrote: > > I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is > good. > Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com > Or > 8.8.8.8 > > > Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate > that? If the answer is yes, then it's frontier that should be able to help > you. > What is your frontier modem model? > Once I know the model I can walk you possibly to the modem logs. > I’m beginning to believe the pertinent questions revolve around knowing what it was that caused this in the first place. The options I got today from the DSL tech at Frontier have me well on the way to “fixing” this issue - - I am becoming more interested in the cause. I’m not much more than moderately adept at networking in general, but I do know events like I’ve been experiencing are not normal and, in many ways, almost impossible to happen - - but they did. So logic tells me something had to have caused this. Soon as I can fix up this router issue, I believe the issue will clear, giving more time to figure out why and how. Thanks to all for the help Bob --- 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Ishak Micheil wrote: > > I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is > good. > Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com > Or > 8.8.8.8 > > > Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate > that? If the answer is yes, then it's frontier that should be able to help > you. > What is your frontier modem model? > Once I know the model I can walk you possibly to the modem logs. > I’m beginning to believe the pertinent questions revolve around knowing what it was that caused this in the first place. The options I got today from the DSL tech at Frontier have me well on the way to “fixing” this issue - - I am becoming more interested in the cause. I’m not much more than moderately adept at networking in general, but I do know events like I’ve been experiencing are not normal and, in many ways, almost impossible to happen - - but they did. So logic tells me something had to have caused this. Soon as I can fix up this router issue, I believe the issue will clear, giving more time to figure out why and how. Thanks to all for the help Bob --- 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is good. Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com Or 8.8.8.8 Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate that? If the answer is yes, then it's frontier that should be able to help you. What is your frontier modem model? Once I know the model I can walk you possibly to the modem logs. On Dec 15, 2017 6:08 PM, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > > > When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to > > say where you are pinging from. That is, from the router? from a > > device on your LAN? from a device on the DSL modem's LAN? > > > > the question was — "with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to > LAN:” > > I took that to mean pinging from a computer on the internal LAN to the > various ip’s in his list > So, to be precise, from a machine on the internal LAN, I could > successfully ping both interfaces on the router, as well as the DSL modem. > > Bob > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to > say where you are pinging from. That is, from the router? from a > device on your LAN? from a device on the DSL modem's LAN? > the question was — "with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to LAN:” I took that to mean pinging from a computer on the internal LAN to the various ip’s in his list So, to be precise, from a machine on the internal LAN, I could successfully ping both interfaces on the router, as well as the DSL modem. Bob ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the router > (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem, 192.168.1.1. Could > not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com. When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to say where you are pinging from. That is, from the router? from a device on your LAN? from a device on the DSL modem's LAN? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
You have/had DNS resolution problem. Couple of ways to solve that on the router: A) let router pick DNS by DHCP from WAN side B) configure the router to use ISPs DNS servers by typing in their IPs. You could get them by: cat /etc/resolved.conf while being connected to the DSL modem directly. C) use someone else's DNS for example Google's 8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.4 Hope it helps, T On Dec 15, 2017 4:44 PM, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > > > On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > > > Thanks Bob, > > > > This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing > > or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only. > > > > Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem > and > > a PC to LAN: > > * Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? > > * Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ? > > * Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ? > > * Ping www.google.com ? > > > > Thanks, > > T > > One of the issues that cropped up today, as a result of my fiddling with > the labeling on the router, I now have issues with my LAN, which will be > attended to later. > > From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the > router (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem, > 192.168.1.1. Could not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com. > > Thanks > > Bob > > > "If You want to Get Right ... > ... Be Right" > ... jld ... > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >> >> To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve >> actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no >> windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem >> . > > I was using the term in the very generic sense. And I was being flip (in the very generic sense). Actually I was just happy you didn’t ask me what distro I was running Bob - If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it. -- W.C. Fields ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does >> not, because that makes zero sense from your description. >> >> Russell > > To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve > actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no > windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem > . I was using the term in the very generic sense. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > Thanks Bob, > > This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing > or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only. > > Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem and > a PC to LAN: > * Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? > * Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ? > * Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ? > * Ping www.google.com ? > > Thanks, > T One of the issues that cropped up today, as a result of my fiddling with the labeling on the router, I now have issues with my LAN, which will be attended to later. From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the router (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem, 192.168.1.1. Could not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com. Thanks Bob "If You want to Get Right ... ... Be Right" ... jld ... ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does > not, because that makes zero sense from your description. > > Russell To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem . My description of this issue is fragmented and spotty because of the nature of the issue itself - - - a good solid connection requiring minimal maintenance, the, all at once, zero traffic out or in - - and all of the normal troubleshooting tasks showed no problems anywhere. Now that makes no sense. I only wished there was a better description of the issue other than “it doesn’t work”, but I can’t come up with a one-liner that begins to explain it. Now, the DSL tech from Frontier gave me a couple of ideas to work on and, once I get it resolved, i’ll try to concisely summarize. Thanks Bob --- 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
Thanks Bob, This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only. Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to LAN: * Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? * Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ? * Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ? * Ping www.google.com ? Thanks, T On Dec 15, 2017 3:59 PM, "Russell Senior" wrote: Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does not, because that makes zero sense from your description. Russell On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no >> clear and definite answer. >> >> Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only >> that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts. >> >> 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? >> 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem >> directly? >> 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the >> computer connected to DSL modem? >> 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem. >> 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a >> computer to LAN side of your LAN router? >> >> Thank you, >> Tomas > > Howdy, > > Sorry about the delay - just spent 2 hours with an actual technical person who was helpful. > > In answer to your questions: > > 1 - DSL, the sole Internet connection available here. I live in the hills outside Sherwood, so, except for Frontier’sDSL service, we only have dial-up, wireless, hughes-net, etc. > > 2 - yes > > 3 - 192.168.1.3 — 255.255.255.0 > > 4 - 192.168.1.2 > > 5 - 192.168.107.xxx > > fwiw, I believe a solution to this issue is on the horizon. Working on a fix now > > Thanks > > Bob > > -- > Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat. > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does not, because that makes zero sense from your description. Russell On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta >> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no >> clear and definite answer. >> >> Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only >> that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts. >> >> 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? >> 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem >> directly? >> 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the >> computer connected to DSL modem? >> 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem. >> 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a >> computer to LAN side of your LAN router? >> >> Thank you, >> Tomas > > Howdy, > > Sorry about the delay - just spent 2 hours with an actual technical person > who was helpful. > > In answer to your questions: > > 1 - DSL, the sole Internet connection available here. I live in the hills > outside Sherwood, so, except for Frontier’sDSL service, we only have dial-up, > wireless, hughes-net, etc. > > 2 - yes > > 3 - 192.168.1.3 — 255.255.255.0 > > 4 - 192.168.1.2 > > 5 - 192.168.107.xxx > > fwiw, I believe a solution to this issue is on the horizon. Working on a fix > now > > Thanks > > Bob > > -- > Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat. > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > Bob, > > Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no > clear and definite answer. > > Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only > that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts. > > 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? > 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem > directly? > 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the > computer connected to DSL modem? > 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem. > 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a > computer to LAN side of your LAN router? > > Thank you, > Tomas Howdy, Sorry about the delay - just spent 2 hours with an actual technical person who was helpful. In answer to your questions: 1 - DSL, the sole Internet connection available here. I live in the hills outside Sherwood, so, except for Frontier’sDSL service, we only have dial-up, wireless, hughes-net, etc. 2 - yes 3 - 192.168.1.3 — 255.255.255.0 4 - 192.168.1.2 5 - 192.168.107.xxx fwiw, I believe a solution to this issue is on the horizon. Working on a fix now Thanks Bob -- Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? dal is his phone autocorrecting DSL, I think. Also "sip" == ISP. Russell ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
Bob, Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no clear and definite answer. Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts. 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem directly? 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the computer connected to DSL modem? 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem. 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a computer to LAN side of your LAN router? Thank you, Tomas On Dec 15, 2017 7:59 AM, "Bill Weiss" wrote: Bob Vinisky(b...@cherrycreekdaffodils.com)@Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:32:02PM -0800: > > > Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. > > > > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? > > > Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their web portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday or today. > > My brain is now scrambled. > > Russell, I have checked, double-checked, cross-checked, and toasty cinnamon-coated wheat checks the entire setup, LAN and WAN, rebooted everything that was capable of rebooting, and then, just to make sure, checked again. > > The only conclusion I can draw is that Frontier has made a change in their system, or, this was their policy all along, and it took them this long to catch up to me. Possibly dumb proposal: Unplug all the ethernet everywhere, then unplug the DSL modem from power and put it in time out for a minute. Plug in the DSL modem, wait for it to come up. Optionally, scramble your computer's MAC address. Plug your computer into it, make sure it has internet. Unplug the computer, give the WAN side of your router the same MAC address as your computer, plug WAN into DSL modem. See if that works. If so, use router like normal and go about your business. This used to be the thing you had to do with cable modems before all the cable companies got with the program. They can track what kind of device you have, sort of, based on your MAC prefix. They can also just refuse to learn more than X MAC addresses and keep you from connecting a switch to the stupid thing that way. Most routers even have a handy MAC cloning feature for just this sort of thing. -- Bill Weiss ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
Bob Vinisky(b...@cherrycreekdaffodils.com)@Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:32:02PM -0800: > > > Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. > > > > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? > > > Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get > to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of > the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their web > portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday or > today. > > My brain is now scrambled. > > Russell, I have checked, double-checked, cross-checked, and toasty > cinnamon-coated wheat checks the entire setup, LAN and WAN, rebooted > everything that was capable of rebooting, and then, just to make sure, > checked again. > > The only conclusion I can draw is that Frontier has made a change in their > system, or, this was their policy all along, and it took them this long to > catch up to me. Possibly dumb proposal: Unplug all the ethernet everywhere, then unplug the DSL modem from power and put it in time out for a minute. Plug in the DSL modem, wait for it to come up. Optionally, scramble your computer's MAC address. Plug your computer into it, make sure it has internet. Unplug the computer, give the WAN side of your router the same MAC address as your computer, plug WAN into DSL modem. See if that works. If so, use router like normal and go about your business. This used to be the thing you had to do with cable modems before all the cable companies got with the program. They can track what kind of device you have, sort of, based on your MAC prefix. They can also just refuse to learn more than X MAC addresses and keep you from connecting a switch to the stupid thing that way. Most routers even have a handy MAC cloning feature for just this sort of thing. -- Bill Weiss ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. >> >> Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? > > > Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get > to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of > the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their web > portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday or > today. Wait, you said if you plugged directly into their DSL modem it "worked", that is you could get to the internet. Is that true or not true? When (if) that works, say loading Google or something, what is the IP address on your device? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. > > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their web portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday or today. My brain is now scrambled. Russell, I have checked, double-checked, cross-checked, and toasty cinnamon-coated wheat checks the entire setup, LAN and WAN, rebooted everything that was capable of rebooting, and then, just to make sure, checked again. The only conclusion I can draw is that Frontier has made a change in their system, or, this was their policy all along, and it took them this long to catch up to me. Thanks Bob If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> That makes no sense. They can't see past your router. Your router >> pretends to be all the devices on your LAN. Does your computer on the LAN >> have a 192.168.107.x address? Can you confirm this for me? >> >> The other thing is that Frontier (afaik) uses PPPoE for authentication. >> That would be running on their modem. As long as your Frontier credentials >> are programmed in, you should be fine. Are they? You switched from >> Aracnet/SpiritOne how long ago? Maybe this is still part of the transition? >> > > Well, didn’t exactly “switch from” Aracnet. (Visions of John Cleese and > Michael Palin discussing a dead parrot). They went away and Frontier became > my new home. That was a month and a half ago, and the service was ok - - not > a good as when Aracnet fed it, but decent. If plugging into the DSL modem directly works, then my PPPoE theory isn't very likely. > Until Tuesday.. > > The dal modem settings have not changed (or been changed), and all of the > diagnostic readings are the same. Same with the ipFire router. Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > That makes no sense. They can't see past your router. Your router > pretends to be all the devices on your LAN. Does your computer on the LAN > have a 192.168.107.x address? > > The other thing is that Frontier (afaik) uses PPPoE for authentication. > That would be running on their modem. As long as your Frontier credentials > are programmed in, you should be fine. Are they? You switched from > Aracnet/SpiritOne how long ago? Maybe this is still part of the transition? > Well, didn’t exactly “switch from” Aracnet. (Visions of John Cleese and Michael Palin discussing a dead parrot). They went away and Frontier became my new home. That was a month and a half ago, and the service was ok - - not a good as when Aracnet fed it, but decent. Until Tuesday.. The dal modem settings have not changed (or been changed), and all of the diagnostic readings are the same. Same with the ipFire router. This is the perplexing aspect. Thanks Bob --- When man calls an animal "vicious", he usually means that it will attempt to defend itself when he tries to kill it. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Dec 14, 2017 17:41, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > > >> > > > > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on > > your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. > > Nope - the LAN side uses 192.168.107.xxx8 (I know, but they say you can > pick any number in the 192.168 area, so I did) - - (so there). > Okay, thanks. > It appears Frontier now wants all devices either plugged into one of their > 4 available Ethernet ports, or connect wirelessly, AND use their router. > I’m not really wanting to do that for a number of reasons. A computer > connected directly to the dal modem works. That same computer going through > the LAN to the router, then to the dal modem will not work. Their “tech” > folks tell me that’s all I can do. I can’t believe this cannot be overcome, > but am running out of ideas > That makes no sense. They can't see past your router. Your router pretends to be all the devices on your LAN. Does your computer on the LAN have a 192.168.107.x address? The other thing is that Frontier (afaik) uses PPPoE for authentication. That would be running on their modem. As long as your Frontier credentials are programmed in, you should be fine. Are they? You switched from Aracnet/SpiritOne how long ago? Maybe this is still part of the transition? > For completeness sake, I am using a Zoom dal modem I got from Aracnet. > Frontier sent me a Netgear dal modem that I left in the box. “tech” > support, of course, freaked out. YOU CAN’T DO THAT!!! - - - uh, been doing > it for 5 years now - - - - but, but, but … > > Also if you all are not aware of it, I am using a Debian-based distort > called IpFire )iffier.org), a dandy router - - full featured with a very > impressive list of add-ons. > > Thanks > > Bob > > - > I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove > it. > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > The model here is that Frontier did something on their modem (updated > firmware or whatever) that suddenly conflicts with your network. I am > guessing, and asking questions to confirm or rule out that theory. > I would be delighted if that were correct, but two things rule against it to me: 1. even the “techs” who answer the phone should have known about this once they heard theNetgear model no. 2. Just Because (stubbornness), I am now back to using the Zoom modem It was my hope that, once the “tech” found out I was ising an “unauthorized” modem, he/she would pass me along to somebody who actually knew something. So far I haven’t gotten past the Outer Guard. They are a stubborn lot, at Frontier. Thanks Bob - If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
>> > > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on > your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. Nope - the LAN side uses 192.168.107.xxx8 (I know, but they say you can pick any number in the 192.168 area, so I did) - - (so there). It appears Frontier now wants all devices either plugged into one of their 4 available Ethernet ports, or connect wirelessly, AND use their router. I’m not really wanting to do that for a number of reasons. A computer connected directly to the dal modem works. That same computer going through the LAN to the router, then to the dal modem will not work. Their “tech” folks tell me that’s all I can do. I can’t believe this cannot be overcome, but am running out of ideas. For completeness sake, I am using a Zoom dal modem I got from Aracnet. Frontier sent me a Netgear dal modem that I left in the box. “tech” support, of course, freaked out. YOU CAN’T DO THAT!!! - - - uh, been doing it for 5 years now - - - - but, but, but … Also if you all are not aware of it, I am using a Debian-based distort called IpFire )iffier.org), a dandy router - - full featured with a very impressive list of add-ons. Thanks Bob - I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove it. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
The model here is that Frontier did something on their modem (updated firmware or whatever) that suddenly conflicts with your network. I am guessing, and asking questions to confirm or rule out that theory. On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Bob Vinisky > wrote: >> >>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Russell Senior >>> wrote: Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My dal modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does all the heavy lifting. The dal modem only modems - is not a router. >>> >>> I assume you mean DSL. >>> >> yes >> >> This setup has been flawless, until the Great Demise (Aracnet). Since then, as a stopgap, the sip chores now are in Frontier’s clutches - ah - hands. >>> >>> I assume you mean ISP. >> >> yes >> >>> >>> I want to confirm that your the WAN and LAN networks are different, >>> sensible and non-overlapping. >>> >> >> this is true. the dal modem has an ip of 192.168.1.1 and the router WAN ip >> is 192.168.1.2 >> These are the only two devices assigned. >> > > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on > your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >>> >>> Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, >>> about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My >>> dal modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does >>> all the heavy lifting. The dal modem only modems - is not a router. >> >> I assume you mean DSL. >> > yes > > >>> >>> This setup has been flawless, until the Great Demise (Aracnet). Since then, >>> as a stopgap, the sip chores now are in Frontier’s clutches - ah - hands. >> >> I assume you mean ISP. >>> > > yes > >> >> I want to confirm that your the WAN and LAN networks are different, >> sensible and non-overlapping. >> > > this is true. the dal modem has an ip of 192.168.1.1 and the router WAN ip is > 192.168.1.2 > These are the only two devices assigned. > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >> >> Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, >> about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My >> dal modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does all >> the heavy lifting. The dal modem only modems - is not a router. > > I assume you mean DSL. > yes >> >> This setup has been flawless, until the Great Demise (Aracnet). Since then, >> as a stopgap, the sip chores now are in Frontier’s clutches - ah - hands. > > I assume you mean ISP. >> yes > > I want to confirm that your the WAN and LAN networks are different, > sensible and non-overlapping. > this is true. the dal modem has an ip of 192.168.1.1 and the router WAN ip is 192.168.1.2 These are the only two devices assigned. As I said, until two days ago, this setup was working like a champ - and had been for some years now. The outage occurred sometime around 8-9 am and I had been online (web, email, etc) earlier. I am convinced the issue if not here, but with Frontier, but so far cannot confirm this. The very strange set of events looking for answers from Frontier has me scrambling for assistance. Bob - In Space, mexican food is considered a form of propulsion ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and >> their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should >> NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic >> isn't coming from that router. They shouldn't be able to see any of >> the hosts on your LAN. >> > > Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, > about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My dal > modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does all the > heavy lifting. The dal modem only modems - is not a router. I assume you mean DSL. > > This setup has been flawless, until the Great Demise (Aracnet). Since then, > as a stopgap, the sip chores now are in Frontier’s clutches - ah - hands. I assume you mean ISP. > > All of a sudden, two days ago, the traffic ceased. Could connect to and ping > the modem, ping the dos servers, gateway, etc - - just no traffic. > > I’ll be glad to fill in more details, but am afraid of going all Stallman on > everyone I want to confirm that your the WAN and LAN networks are different, sensible and non-overlapping. > > Bob > >-- > The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. > Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts > to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you > happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. > -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Bob Vinisky wrote: Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. Bob, Before SpiritOne lost their mail and web servers I connected to them through my Netgear VFS318 router connected to the DSL modem. Infrequently, there was no access to the 'Net, usually occurred overnight. I powered off the router and modem, waited a minute or so, turned on the modem and when it's lights stabilized, turned on the router. This always fixed the problem and we stayed connected until the next failure a few months later. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and > their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should > NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic > isn't coming from that router. They shouldn't be able to see any of > the hosts on your LAN. > Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My dal modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does all the heavy lifting. The dal modem only modems - is not a router. This setup has been flawless, until the Great Demise (Aracnet). Since then, as a stopgap, the sip chores now are in Frontier’s clutches - ah - hands. All of a sudden, two days ago, the traffic ceased. Could connect to and ping the modem, ping the dos servers, gateway, etc - - just no traffic. I’ll be glad to fill in more details, but am afraid of going all Stallman on everyone Bob -- The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Bob Vinisky wrote: A second request is for a recommendation for a decent sip, if one still exists. I, too, am a refugee from Aracnet, and want to get away from this mess soon Bob, If you're running a business Frontier has their 15/5 Mbps voice/fiber Internet package for about $15/month less than the landline phone and DSL through Aracnet/SpiritOne at the annual fee rate. And, the data transfer rate is 5 times faster than it was for me on the DSL service. I learned that where I am (Troutdale) Frontier sells DSL only to resellers (i.e., ISPs). FiOS is the alternative for residential and business. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
From your LAN, log in to the router (I assume it has an admin interface). What are the WAN and LAN networks? On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and > their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should > NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic > isn't coming from that router. They shouldn't be able to see any of > the hosts on your LAN. > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Bob Vinisky > wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The >> modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. After two >> entire days of conversing with various “techs” it became apparent my issue >> was in using a router to feed the lan machines to the modem. Hooking a >> computer directly to the modem gave that one machine access. It appears >> Frontier wants all of the local devices to connect to their router/modem. >> Has anyone else noticed this - and can I get out of this fix? >> >> A second request is for a recommendation for a decent sip, if one still >> exists. I, too, am a refugee from Aracnet, and want to get away from this >> mess soon >> >> Thanks >> >> Bob >> >> --- >> The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it >> were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence. >> -- H. L. Mencken >> >> >> >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] dsl woes
That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic isn't coming from that router. They shouldn't be able to see any of the hosts on your LAN. On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > Greetings, > > Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The > modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. After two entire > days of conversing with various “techs” it became apparent my issue was in > using a router to feed the lan machines to the modem. Hooking a computer > directly to the modem gave that one machine access. It appears Frontier wants > all of the local devices to connect to their router/modem. Has anyone else > noticed this - and can I get out of this fix? > > A second request is for a recommendation for a decent sip, if one still > exists. I, too, am a refugee from Aracnet, and want to get away from this > mess soon > > Thanks > > Bob > > --- > The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it > were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence. > -- H. L. Mencken > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] dsl woes
Greetings, Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. After two entire days of conversing with various “techs” it became apparent my issue was in using a router to feed the lan machines to the modem. Hooking a computer directly to the modem gave that one machine access. It appears Frontier wants all of the local devices to connect to their router/modem. Has anyone else noticed this - and can I get out of this fix? A second request is for a recommendation for a decent sip, if one still exists. I, too, am a refugee from Aracnet, and want to get away from this mess soon Thanks Bob --- The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence. -- H. L. Mencken ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
