Re: either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 9:42 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Problem solved! ChatGPT skirted around the solution, and should have > ... > Cause: netmask on the SERVER was wrong, resulting in the server trying > to use the firewall as a router. Ping worked in this case, but ssh > wouldn't. (netmask on server was 255.255.255.0, the correct mask is > 255.255.252.0). > > This was the result of my entering the netmask as a bit count, not as a > bit field, and I was off by 2 bits. > > Fixed, now all works! > Thanks for sharing the root cause of your issue! Netmask has tripped many of us. -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
Problem solved! ChatGPT skirted around the solution, and should have asked for the output of ifconfig on both computers - that would have saved me a lot of time. Anyway, here's what my diagnosing led me to: The server can ping the client. The client can ping the server. The server can ssh to the client. Another computer can ssh to either client or server. When the client tries to ssh in to the server, the server sees the SYN and acknowledges it, but the client never sees it. Cause: netmask on the SERVER was wrong, resulting in the server trying to use the firewall as a router. Ping worked in this case, but ssh wouldn't. (netmask on server was 255.255.255.0, the correct mask is 255.255.252.0). This was the result of my entering the netmask as a bit count, not as a bit field, and I was off by 2 bits. Fixed, now all works! On 7/9/24 17:19, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: I wish my answer was that simple! Ok, I'm off to try chatgpt... Wow, I'm impressed... It hasn't help me find the issue, other than the interesting fact that the file server is responding to the SYN request just fine, but the laptop isn't seeing it! (wireshark on both sides - is your friend!) All sorts of nice ideas. It does get a bit stuck on some ideas, and repeats them even after I've tried to tell it that isn't applicable. Oh, well. I'm now going to try rebooting the laptop and see if that fixes it On 7/9/24 15:51, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: By using ChatGPT I was able to determine SSH was not installed on my desktop. I did the install and now it works. On 2024-07-09 15:30, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Rusty, I was unable to SSH into my desktop from a new Ubuntu VirtualBox guest this morning. Was able to ping. Have not had the time to resolve. My response is to your mentioning AI. I use the free version of ChatGPT. It is version 3.5 It responds to normal language. Ask it a question like you would ask me. Then refine your question based on what it's response is. I just went to https://chatgpt.com/ and did not sign in and asked "Why do I get an error when trying to SSH into my kubuntu desktop from a ubuntu 24.04 server running on VirtualBox. I an ping." Notice I misspelled can at the very end. These questions are called prompts. And are regular English. I got a ton of information... And I can continue to refine my question. In this case it looks like this is all I might need. I created a YouTube video on using AI to create PHP programs : https://youtu.be/k7CNqcKxKTg Keith On 2024-07-09 15:07, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hopefully the answer isn't that *I'm* the insane one! ;-) So, my laptop, which is running Linux Mint 20.2 Uma, and my file server have suddenly had a falling-out. They used to talk to each other just fine, but now the file server, running Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia, slams my laptop into the deny list as soon as I try to SSH in to it. And I don't (believe I have) automatic update enabled on either computer, and I certainly don't remember doing anything to the laptop or the server related to networking. The laptop has an NFS connection to the file server - or it HAD before the blocking! The file server has no problem ssh-ing to the laptop (no surprise there, of course). Initially I thought it was some problem with port 161, but I added that (and the laptop IP address!) in to the portsenty ignore file, and it still got flagged. It isn't in hosts.deny, nor is it in the portsentry bad guys list. I looked (find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 egrep ') on the file server: Tue Jul 09 14:02:30 RustyC ~ $ cat /tmp/finding.laptop /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static~:myLaptopIP Tue Jul 09 14:05:59 RustyC ~ $ (I hacked the local IP to the string 'myLaptopIP'. What is actually there is the actual IP addr). So, I removed (uninstalled) portsentry from the file server, rebooted, and tried again. Still blocked! Waited about a day, still blocked. So, I changed the IP address of the laptop - the server blocks the laptop! Just for fun, I changed my laptop's IP again and tried mounting the file server via NFS, without doing anything else (no attempt to ssh, etc) - blocked, as far as I can tell. BUT! I can still ping the file server from the laptop! Checked iptables - NOTHING in any table on the server. I'm totally stumped, and about to re-install Linux on both the Laptop and the file server. (One of these days I hope to get time to fool with AI for this kind of thing, but haven't yet had the time...) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl
Re: either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
I wish my answer was that simple! Ok, I'm off to try chatgpt... Wow, I'm impressed... It hasn't help me find the issue, other than the interesting fact that the file server is responding to the SYN request just fine, but the laptop isn't seeing it! (wireshark on both sides - is your friend!) All sorts of nice ideas. It does get a bit stuck on some ideas, and repeats them even after I've tried to tell it that isn't applicable. Oh, well. I'm now going to try rebooting the laptop and see if that fixes it On 7/9/24 15:51, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: By using ChatGPT I was able to determine SSH was not installed on my desktop. I did the install and now it works. On 2024-07-09 15:30, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Rusty, I was unable to SSH into my desktop from a new Ubuntu VirtualBox guest this morning. Was able to ping. Have not had the time to resolve. My response is to your mentioning AI. I use the free version of ChatGPT. It is version 3.5 It responds to normal language. Ask it a question like you would ask me. Then refine your question based on what it's response is. I just went to https://chatgpt.com/ and did not sign in and asked "Why do I get an error when trying to SSH into my kubuntu desktop from a ubuntu 24.04 server running on VirtualBox. I an ping." Notice I misspelled can at the very end. These questions are called prompts. And are regular English. I got a ton of information... And I can continue to refine my question. In this case it looks like this is all I might need. I created a YouTube video on using AI to create PHP programs : https://youtu.be/k7CNqcKxKTg Keith On 2024-07-09 15:07, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hopefully the answer isn't that *I'm* the insane one! ;-) So, my laptop, which is running Linux Mint 20.2 Uma, and my file server have suddenly had a falling-out. They used to talk to each other just fine, but now the file server, running Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia, slams my laptop into the deny list as soon as I try to SSH in to it. And I don't (believe I have) automatic update enabled on either computer, and I certainly don't remember doing anything to the laptop or the server related to networking. The laptop has an NFS connection to the file server - or it HAD before the blocking! The file server has no problem ssh-ing to the laptop (no surprise there, of course). Initially I thought it was some problem with port 161, but I added that (and the laptop IP address!) in to the portsenty ignore file, and it still got flagged. It isn't in hosts.deny, nor is it in the portsentry bad guys list. I looked (find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 egrep ') on the file server: Tue Jul 09 14:02:30 RustyC ~ $ cat /tmp/finding.laptop /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static~:myLaptopIP Tue Jul 09 14:05:59 RustyC ~ $ (I hacked the local IP to the string 'myLaptopIP'. What is actually there is the actual IP addr). So, I removed (uninstalled) portsentry from the file server, rebooted, and tried again. Still blocked! Waited about a day, still blocked. So, I changed the IP address of the laptop - the server blocks the laptop! Just for fun, I changed my laptop's IP again and tried mounting the file server via NFS, without doing anything else (no attempt to ssh, etc) - blocked, as far as I can tell. BUT! I can still ping the file server from the laptop! Checked iptables - NOTHING in any table on the server. I'm totally stumped, and about to re-install Linux on both the Laptop and the file server. (One of these days I hope to get time to fool with AI for this kind of thing, but haven't yet had the time...) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
By using ChatGPT I was able to determine SSH was not installed on my desktop. I did the install and now it works. On 2024-07-09 15:30, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Rusty, I was unable to SSH into my desktop from a new Ubuntu VirtualBox guest this morning. Was able to ping. Have not had the time to resolve. My response is to your mentioning AI. I use the free version of ChatGPT. It is version 3.5 It responds to normal language. Ask it a question like you would ask me. Then refine your question based on what it's response is. I just went to https://chatgpt.com/ and did not sign in and asked "Why do I get an error when trying to SSH into my kubuntu desktop from a ubuntu 24.04 server running on VirtualBox. I an ping." Notice I misspelled can at the very end. These questions are called prompts. And are regular English. I got a ton of information... And I can continue to refine my question. In this case it looks like this is all I might need. I created a YouTube video on using AI to create PHP programs : https://youtu.be/k7CNqcKxKTg Keith On 2024-07-09 15:07, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hopefully the answer isn't that *I'm* the insane one! ;-) So, my laptop, which is running Linux Mint 20.2 Uma, and my file server have suddenly had a falling-out. They used to talk to each other just fine, but now the file server, running Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia, slams my laptop into the deny list as soon as I try to SSH in to it. And I don't (believe I have) automatic update enabled on either computer, and I certainly don't remember doing anything to the laptop or the server related to networking. The laptop has an NFS connection to the file server - or it HAD before the blocking! The file server has no problem ssh-ing to the laptop (no surprise there, of course). Initially I thought it was some problem with port 161, but I added that (and the laptop IP address!) in to the portsenty ignore file, and it still got flagged. It isn't in hosts.deny, nor is it in the portsentry bad guys list. I looked (find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 egrep ') on the file server: Tue Jul 09 14:02:30 RustyC ~ $ cat /tmp/finding.laptop /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static~:myLaptopIP Tue Jul 09 14:05:59 RustyC ~ $ (I hacked the local IP to the string 'myLaptopIP'. What is actually there is the actual IP addr). So, I removed (uninstalled) portsentry from the file server, rebooted, and tried again. Still blocked! Waited about a day, still blocked. So, I changed the IP address of the laptop - the server blocks the laptop! Just for fun, I changed my laptop's IP again and tried mounting the file server via NFS, without doing anything else (no attempt to ssh, etc) - blocked, as far as I can tell. BUT! I can still ping the file server from the laptop! Checked iptables - NOTHING in any table on the server. I'm totally stumped, and about to re-install Linux on both the Laptop and the file server. (One of these days I hope to get time to fool with AI for this kind of thing, but haven't yet had the time...) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
Rusty, I was unable to SSH into my desktop from a new Ubuntu VirtualBox guest this morning. Was able to ping. Have not had the time to resolve. My response is to your mentioning AI. I use the free version of ChatGPT. It is version 3.5 It responds to normal language. Ask it a question like you would ask me. Then refine your question based on what it's response is. I just went to https://chatgpt.com/ and did not sign in and asked "Why do I get an error when trying to SSH into my kubuntu desktop from a ubuntu 24.04 server running on VirtualBox. I an ping." Notice I misspelled can at the very end. These questions are called prompts. And are regular English. I got a ton of information... And I can continue to refine my question. In this case it looks like this is all I might need. I created a YouTube video on using AI to create PHP programs : https://youtu.be/k7CNqcKxKTg Keith On 2024-07-09 15:07, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hopefully the answer isn't that *I'm* the insane one! ;-) So, my laptop, which is running Linux Mint 20.2 Uma, and my file server have suddenly had a falling-out. They used to talk to each other just fine, but now the file server, running Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia, slams my laptop into the deny list as soon as I try to SSH in to it. And I don't (believe I have) automatic update enabled on either computer, and I certainly don't remember doing anything to the laptop or the server related to networking. The laptop has an NFS connection to the file server - or it HAD before the blocking! The file server has no problem ssh-ing to the laptop (no surprise there, of course). Initially I thought it was some problem with port 161, but I added that (and the laptop IP address!) in to the portsenty ignore file, and it still got flagged. It isn't in hosts.deny, nor is it in the portsentry bad guys list. I looked (find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 egrep ') on the file server: Tue Jul 09 14:02:30 RustyC ~ $ cat /tmp/finding.laptop /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static~:myLaptopIP Tue Jul 09 14:05:59 RustyC ~ $ (I hacked the local IP to the string 'myLaptopIP'. What is actually there is the actual IP addr). So, I removed (uninstalled) portsentry from the file server, rebooted, and tried again. Still blocked! Waited about a day, still blocked. So, I changed the IP address of the laptop - the server blocks the laptop! Just for fun, I changed my laptop's IP again and tried mounting the file server via NFS, without doing anything else (no attempt to ssh, etc) - blocked, as far as I can tell. BUT! I can still ping the file server from the laptop! Checked iptables - NOTHING in any table on the server. I'm totally stumped, and about to re-install Linux on both the Laptop and the file server. (One of these days I hope to get time to fool with AI for this kind of thing, but haven't yet had the time...) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
either portsentry is insane, my laptop has been compromised, or ...
Hopefully the answer isn't that *I'm* the insane one! ;-) So, my laptop, which is running Linux Mint 20.2 Uma, and my file server have suddenly had a falling-out. They used to talk to each other just fine, but now the file server, running Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia, slams my laptop into the deny list as soon as I try to SSH in to it. And I don't (believe I have) automatic update enabled on either computer, and I certainly don't remember doing anything to the laptop or the server related to networking. The laptop has an NFS connection to the file server - or it HAD before the blocking! The file server has no problem ssh-ing to the laptop (no surprise there, of course). Initially I thought it was some problem with port 161, but I added that (and the laptop IP address!) in to the portsenty ignore file, and it still got flagged. It isn't in hosts.deny, nor is it in the portsentry bad guys list. I looked (find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 egrep ') on the file server: Tue Jul 09 14:02:30 RustyC ~ $ cat /tmp/finding.laptop /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore:myLaptopIP /etc/portsentry/portsentry.ignore.static~:myLaptopIP Tue Jul 09 14:05:59 RustyC ~ $ (I hacked the local IP to the string 'myLaptopIP'. What is actually there is the actual IP addr). So, I removed (uninstalled) portsentry from the file server, rebooted, and tried again. Still blocked! Waited about a day, still blocked. So, I changed the IP address of the laptop - the server blocks the laptop! Just for fun, I changed my laptop's IP again and tried mounting the file server via NFS, without doing anything else (no attempt to ssh, etc) - blocked, as far as I can tell. BUT! I can still ping the file server from the laptop! Checked iptables - NOTHING in any table on the server. I'm totally stumped, and about to re-install Linux on both the Laptop and the file server. (One of these days I hope to get time to fool with AI for this kind of thing, but haven't yet had the time...) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
On 6/9/24 4:54 PM, Arun Khan wrote: A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) I got my Framework 16 a couple of months ago. Quite happy with it except for the battery life when under load, but with a dedicated GPU on board I'm not sure what I expected. It's definitely not a lightweight computer, but it's not so heavy that it's a bother. My only complaints besides the battery are minor nitpicks and not enough to diminish from the overall experience. Highly recommended if you can afford it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin Hawk, I would like to try one of these, but I’m not sure how much they cost. Also, are these windows or Lennox and if Lennox, will they run the The 13 was about $1300 for self-assemble. Pre-assembled is another 2 or 3 hundred dollars. They default to windows, but several Linux distributions are supported. I don't know about screen readers. For another install today I saw that the new LTS version of Ubuntu asked about accessibility and included screen reader as an option, but that was several screens in. ciao, der.hans screen reader orca? If Windows, will they accept NVDA? If other, what accessibility options are available. I’d like to get one of these just as a test case to see how well it actually works for me. – Eric From the offices of the Technomage guild, equipment, procurement, and testing department. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:58 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the passenger seat :). Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. ciao, der.hans On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. How's the 16 for heft and mobility? I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty well anywhere. I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't exercised it much that way either. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. Yeah, extra layer of protection. I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. ciao, der.hans On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. https://frame.work/ Might look at one of these if/when they come about. -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "You want weapons? We're
Re: Modular laptop concept
I would like to try one of these, but I’m not sure how much they cost. Also, are these windows or Lennox and if Lennox, will they run the screen reader orca? If Windows, will they accept NVDA? If other, what accessibility options are available. I’d like to get one of these just as a test case to see how well it actually works for me. – Eric From the offices of the Technomage guild, equipment, procurement, and testing department. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:58 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: > > moin moin, > >> "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was >> annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." >> >> those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, > > The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the > passenger seat :). > > Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. > > Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't > fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine > sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. > > ciao, > > der.hans > >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>> Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: >>> >>> moin moin, >>> >>>> I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the >>>> Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish >>>> issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for >>>> being repairable and upgradable. >>> >>> How's the 16 for heft and mobility? >>> >>> I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty >>> well anywhere. >>> >>> I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was >>> annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. >>> >>> It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't >>> gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have >>> kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. >>> >>> I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't >>> exercised it much that way either. >>> >>>> If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the >>>> situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes >>>> by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot >>>> of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that >>>> port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and >>>> you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered >>>> to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the >>>> motherboard in your laptop. >>>> >>>> With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So >>>> you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. >>> >>> Yeah, extra layer of protection. >>> >>> I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me >>> anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. >>> >>> ciao, >>> >>> der.hans >>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>>> This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://frame.work/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Might look at one of these if/when they come about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -mb >>>>>> >>>>>> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still >>> seems >>>>>> to be going strong. >>>>> >>>>> A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility >>> (mix and match). >>>>> I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my
Re: Modular laptop concept
Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the passenger seat :). Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. ciao, der.hans On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. How's the 16 for heft and mobility? I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty well anywhere. I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't exercised it much that way either. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. Yeah, extra layer of protection. I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. ciao, der.hans On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. https://frame.work/ Might look at one of these if/when they come about. -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books! The best weapons in the # world! This room's the greatest arsenal we could have - arm yourselves!" # -- the Doctor: Doctor Who, Tooth and Claw, 2006--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
"I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: > > moin moin, > > > I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the > > Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish > > issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for > > being repairable and upgradable. > > How's the 16 for heft and mobility? > > I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty > well anywhere. > > I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was > annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. > > It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't > gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have > kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. > > I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't > exercised it much that way either. > > > If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the > > situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes > > by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot > > of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that > > port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and > > you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered > > to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the > > motherboard in your laptop. > > > > With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So > > you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. > > Yeah, extra layer of protection. > > I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me > anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. > > ciao, > > der.hans > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >>> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >>> > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > >>> > > >>> > https://frame.work/ > >>> > > >>> > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > >>> > > >>> > -mb > >>> > >>> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still > seems > >>> to be going strong. > >> > >> A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility > (mix and match). > >> I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old > Thinkpad is still going strong :) > >> > >> -- > >> Arun Khan > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > -- > # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." > # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
> How's the 16 for heft and mobility? It's quite the unit, to say the least, though with the dedicated gpu it just barely fits in the following case: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BM4XS66N/ The bottom bezel of the screen combined with the hop hinge and the large "trunk" make it a bit deeper than other laptops, so it's a bit of an odd size. > I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. I haven't been on an airplane in years but I can tell you it definitely wouldn't be comfortable using on a plane. If you don't otherwise like large laptops, it's probably not for you, though I personally have always had large laptops. I spent my last couple years of college lugging around and HP HDX 18 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAQpF5CKWVo>. > I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me > anyway. That's basically what I did at first; now I use the front left port for an additional 1TB ssd. On the 16, I have 4 USB-C, and then for the front ports (the ones closest to me), the left is a USB-A and the right is a 1TB ssd. I went with that configuration since the front two ports are just regular plane USB ports with no alt modes, so they can't be used for anything other than regular USB anyway. I might end up swapping out the dedicated gpu for the dual nvme carrier once it comes out; it was leaked in an LTT video recently so I'm just waiting for it to show up in the store. On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, at 7:14 PM, der.hans wrote: > Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: > > moin moin, > > > I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the > > Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish > > issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for > > being repairable and upgradable. > > How's the 16 for heft and mobility? > > I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty > well anywhere. > > I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was > annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. > > It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't > gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have > kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. > > I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't > exercised it much that way either. > > > If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the > > situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes > > by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot > > of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that > > port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and > > you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered > > to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the > > motherboard in your laptop. > > > > With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So > > you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. > > Yeah, extra layer of protection. > > I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me > anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. > > ciao, > > der.hans > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss > >> wrote: > >>> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >>> > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > >>> > > >>> > https://frame.work/ > >>> > > >>> > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > >>> > > >>> > -mb > >>> > >>> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems > >>> to be going strong. > >> > >> A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix > >> and match). > >> I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad > >> is still going strong :) > >> > >> -- > >> Arun Khan > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > -- > # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." > # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. How's the 16 for heft and mobility? I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty well anywhere. I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't exercised it much that way either. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. Yeah, extra layer of protection. I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. ciao, der.hans On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > > https://frame.work/ > > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > > -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss > wrote: >> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. >> > >> > https://frame.work/ >> > >> > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. >> > >> > -mb >> >> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems >> to be going strong. > > A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix > and match). > I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is > still going strong :) > > -- > Arun Khan > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > > > > https://frame.work/ > > > > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > > > > -mb > > How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems > to be going strong. > A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > > https://frame.work/ > > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > > -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
On 2023-10-12 17:31, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 12 Oct 2023 07:37:11 -0700 I know it could be used as a simple LAMP+BIND+Mail server because I did so on a lesser laptop last year. I have no doubt 4GB RAM is plenty for a lightweight, no X server. My only other question would be whether a cheaper Raspberry Pi would fill the bill with less money, less space, and less energy usage. This was a laptop that was on special at Walmart for under $200. That is the only reason I picket it. Interesting you bring up the Raspberry Pi with less resources. I wonder what the cost would come to for the Raspberry Pi once you add in power, an SSD, Keyboard, mouse, and a small monitor. I really like the Raspberry Pi. The CanaKit Raspberry Pi 4 Extreme Kit - Aluminum Edition (8GB RAM) is $189 and runs a Broadcom BCM2711 CPU that looks to be very inferior to the CPU in the laptop. https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Pi-Extreme-Kit/dp/B08NZ4JK26 I take it you do not believe something like Xfce would run on this laptop? Keith SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
You guys and gals are much more informed in this matter than I. I am running Kubuntu on an old i5, with 4 cores/4 threads. It has 16GB of RAM... The specs say it will run in 4GB of RAM - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements I'm not arguing, I'm thinking this cheap little $200 laptop might be able to meet the needs of a lot of Linux people. I know it could be used as a simple LAMP+BIND+Mail server because I did so on a lesser laptop last year. And maybe it could run a lightweight desktop. And it does appear the browser might be the short coming. Keith On 2023-10-12 05:53, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 10/11/23 08:47, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Processor-N200-Pentium-4GB-RAM-128GB-UFS-Natural-Silver-Windows-11-Home-in-S-Mode-15-fd0081wm/2950076964?athbdg=L1800 The N200 CPU has a decent benchmark with 4 cores and 4 treads... Seems like it would make a nice Linux machine. Keith As others have said, 4GB ram isn't really going to cut it as a daily driver machine. 8GB is functionally the minimum in 2023. This is under-spec'd even compared to my basic no-thrills Lenovo Thinkpad that I bought in 2018. -Matt --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
On 10/11/23 08:47, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Processor-N200-Pentium-4GB-RAM-128GB-UFS-Natural-Silver-Windows-11-Home-in-S-Mode-15-fd0081wm/2950076964?athbdg=L1800 The N200 CPU has a decent benchmark with 4 cores and 4 treads... Seems like it would make a nice Linux machine. Keith As others have said, 4GB ram isn't really going to cut it as a daily driver machine. 8GB is functionally the minimum in 2023. This is under-spec'd even compared to my basic no-thrills Lenovo Thinkpad that I bought in 2018. -Matt --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I think it would be an interesting experiment to see how far this computer can go. I think this computer can go further than you think. Keith On 2023-10-11 16:21, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:47:13 -0700 https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Processor-N200-Pentium-4GB-RAM-128GB-UFS-Natural-Silver-Windows-11-Home-in-S-Mode-15-fd0081wm/2950076964?athbdg=L1800 The N200 CPU has a decent benchmark with 4 cores and 4 treads... Seems like it would make a nice Linux machine. It would make a nice Linux machine for email with a lightweight email client and very simple web browsing with a lightweight browser. Or for simple programming, or CLI work. But keep in mind that with 4GB RAM, this computer was already obsolete in 2019. I have some advice for anyone who buys this 90 pound weakling. Garbage can your Gnome, kart away your KDE, xplode your XFCE. User IceWM or FVWM or maybe Openbox without a panel. Use Dillo except when you *really* need Javascript ability, then maybe Qutebrowser. Use as few tabs as you can. Don't use VMs. This computer's going to have trouble just running its metal instance. Forget those cutesy distros like Mint, Ubuntu, and all their spawn. Forget Redhat. You might be able to shoehorn Debian or Devuan into such service, or maybe *too or Arch, but personally I'd recommend Void Linux or Slackware. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I agree the flash is going to be slower, from my experience. I do think 4GB RAM is enough for a Linux machine. This computer would be all my wife would need - email, surfing the internet, and occasional letter writing. On 2023-10-11 12:17, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: Looking at the actual machine, note that it only has 4GB of RAM, which is likely not upgradeable, and 128GB of UFS storage (not NVME), and thus is likely not upgradable either. So, that's all it's going to have ever, and the disk is going to be a bottleneck, at least for writes. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: It's basically a CPU with just the Efficiency cores of a U or P series processor I believe. They're pretty good from what I've seen, much better than the older celeron J and N series processors. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, at 8:47 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Processor-N200-Pentium-4GB-RAM-128GB-UFS-Natural-Silver-Windows-11-Home-in-S-Mode-15-fd0081wm/2950076964?athbdg=L1800 The N200 CPU has a decent benchmark with 4 cores and 4 treads... Seems like it would make a nice Linux machine. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
It's basically a CPU with just the Efficiency cores of a U or P series processor I believe. They're pretty good from what I've seen, much better than the older celeron J and N series processors. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, at 8:47 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Processor-N200-Pentium-4GB-RAM-128GB-UFS-Natural-Silver-Windows-11-Home-in-S-Mode-15-fd0081wm/2950076964?athbdg=L1800 > > The N200 CPU has a decent benchmark with 4 cores and 4 treads... > > Seems like it would make a nice Linux machine. > > Keith > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Setting up a webserver lab on one laptop
Trent, Since you have two machines you might be able to use Proxmox. I have it installed on an old i5 with 4 cores/4 threads and 16Gb of RAM. I followed this guy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u8qTN3cCnQ He also has a tutorial on VirtualBox : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX75Z-4MEoM I'm strictly PHP so I can not be much help with the other languages. Keith On 2023-02-22 15:19, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: /*Author: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Date: 2023-01-25 08:30 -700 To: Main PLUG discussion list CC: techlists Subject: Re: TDD w/ Python, ch 9 Hi Trent, First question is what is in your heart? Is the path you are following where you want to go? Do not read anything into my question. It is all about you, and what you want to do. I would suggest Bluehost and get as many months as you may need. I know they have a discount for new customers and I think you have to buy a year or more to get the discount - worth investigating. I think they use cPanel, which may or may not be of use to you. Make sure you have shell access to your shared hosting server. / I decided to go with DreamHost, as I had a good experience with them before. I got chapter 9 working on Apache on a shared server (the default). Unfortunately, chapter 10 is implement on NGINX, and DreamHost does not provide NGINX hosting at the lower service tiers. I have no current or likely use for NGINX except for the tutorial, so more money for more service is not happening. /* If you are not going to keep the website you might consider a hypervisor instead of shared hosting. Look at VirtualBox and Proxmox. By using a virtualization software you can build your own server (good for learning and resume) and save a few bucks. It will take some time and there is a learning curve. I recently configured Proxmox on a old piece hardware and am glad I did. Keith / I want to do this ^^^ I want to set up a development environment which mimics live development and production environments with hypervisor hosts and guests. I'm currently using Mint on VMWare Workstation Pro on Windows 11 as my development environment. The problem is my 4 core, 16 gig Dell laptop is lacking in horsepower. (Compiling a Scala3 Hello World program on the Mint guest is slow. Compiling two Scala3 programs at the same time freezes the Mint guest.) I don't want to burden the group with providing a detailed handbook or tutorial on how to set up a test NGINX-Django test system on a modest laptop, but what are the big parts I'm going to need, some integration gotchas, and is there a name for this variety of stand-alone web-development test environment? (And is there a Linux distro which provides it in a box? Maybe that would make a good PLUG FOSS project ... Linux Web-Dev Environment in a Box. LWDE-IAB. maybe not.) I get a NEW HP lappy Friday. I could convert this laptop to all Linux All the Time once the new laptop is stable. I'm gonna see if I can get some memory added to the Dell tonight Trent Also Keith, are you going to do the presentation some time? On 2023-01-25 07:53, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm on the bench with my employer asd studying test driven development using Harry Precival's Test-Driven Development with Python. Percival uses a simple web site on Django as the practice or example project. In chapter 9 the baby website gets put on a real hosted web server. It needs to be an olde fashioned service where you have the freedom to do a lot of admin work. That is, you need to have enough rope to hang yourself. I also need a domain name and two sub-domain names. Price is important. I will probably finish the tutorial book and throw the site away instead of keeping it as a personal website. Has anyone got any suggestions for where to get a domain name and a hosting service? Trent Choosing Where to Host Our Site There are loads of different solutions out there these days, but they broadly fall into two camps: * Running your own (possibly virtual) server * Using a Platform-As-A-Service (PaaS) offering like Heroku, OpenShift, or PythonAnywhere Particularly for small sites, a PaaS offers a lot of advantages, and I would definitely recommend looking into them. We’re not going to use a PaaS in this book however, for several reasons. Firstly, I have a conflict of interest, in that I think PythonAnywhere is the best, but then again I would say that because I work there. Secondly, all the PaaS offerings are quite different, and the procedures to deploy to each vary a lot — learning about one doesn’t necessarily tell you about the others. Any one of them might radically change their process or business model by the time you get to read this book. Instead, we’ll learn just a tiny bit of good old-fashioned server admin, including SSH and web server
Setting up a webserver lab on one laptop
/* Author: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Date: 2023-01-25 08:30 -700 To: Main PLUG discussion list CC: techlists Subject: Re: TDD w/ Python, ch 9 Hi Trent, First question is what is in your heart? Is the path you are following where you want to go? Do not read anything into my question. It is all about you, and what you want to do. I would suggest Bluehost and get as many months as you may need. I know they have a discount for new customers and I think you have to buy a year or more to get the discount - worth investigating. I think they use cPanel, which may or may not be of use to you. Make sure you have shell access to your shared hosting server. / I decided to go with DreamHost, as I had a good experience with them before. I got chapter 9 working on Apache on a shared server (the default). Unfortunately, chapter 10 is implement on NGINX, and DreamHost does not provide NGINX hosting at the lower service tiers. I have no current or likely use for NGINX except for the tutorial, so more money for more service is not happening. /* If you are not going to keep the website you might consider a hypervisor instead of shared hosting. Look at VirtualBox and Proxmox. By using a virtualization software you can build your own server (good for learning and resume) and save a few bucks. It will take some time and there is a learning curve. I recently configured Proxmox on a old piece hardware and am glad I did. Keith / I want to do this ^^^ I want to set up a development environment which mimics live development and production environments with hypervisor hosts and guests. I'm currently using Mint on VMWare Workstation Pro on Windows 11 as my development environment. The problem is my 4 core, 16 gig Dell laptop is lacking in horsepower. (Compiling a Scala3 Hello World program on the Mint guest is slow. Compiling two Scala3 programs at the same time freezes the Mint guest.) I don't want to burden the group with providing a detailed handbook or tutorial on how to set up a test NGINX-Django test system on a modest laptop, but what are the big parts I'm going to need, some integration gotchas, and is there a name for this variety of stand-alone web-development test environment? (And is there a Linux distro which provides it in a box? Maybe that would make a good PLUG FOSS project ... Linux Web-Dev Environment in a Box. LWDE-IAB. maybe not.) I get a NEW HP lappy Friday. I could convert this laptop to all Linux All the Time once the new laptop is stable. I'm gonna see if I can get some memory added to the Dell tonight Trent Also Keith, are you going to do the presentation some time? On 2023-01-25 07:53, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'm on the bench with my employer asd studying test driven development > using Harry Precival's Test-Driven Development with Python. Percival > uses a simple web site on Django as the practice or example project. > In chapter 9 the baby website gets put on a real hosted web server. > It needs to be an olde fashioned service where you have the freedom to > do a lot of admin work. That is, you need to have enough rope to hang > yourself. I also need a domain name and two sub-domain names. Price > is important. I will probably finish the tutorial book and throw the > site away instead of keeping it as a personal website. > > Has anyone got any suggestions for where to get a domain name and a > hosting service? > > Trent > > Choosing Where to Host Our Site > > There are loads of different solutions out there these days, but they > broadly fall into two camps: > > * Running your own (possibly virtual) server > * Using a Platform-As-A-Service (PaaS) offering like Heroku, > OpenShift, or PythonAnywhere > > Particularly for small sites, a PaaS offers a lot of advantages, and I > would definitely recommend looking into them. We’re not going to use > a PaaS in this book however, for several reasons. Firstly, I have a > conflict of interest, in that I think PythonAnywhere is the best, but > then again I would say that because I work there. Secondly, all the > PaaS offerings are quite different, and the procedures to deploy to > each vary a lot — learning about one doesn’t necessarily tell you > about the others. Any one of them might radically change their process > or business model by the time you get to read this book. > > Instead, we’ll learn just a tiny bit of good old-fashioned server > admin, including SSH and web server config. They’re unlikely to ever > go away, and knowing a bit about them will get you some respect from > all the grizzled dinosaurs out there. > > What I have done is to try to set up a server in such a way that’s a > bit like the environment you get from a PaaS, so you sho
Re: toshiba laptop with vista presently
Most any dist will work clicking next next next these days, trick is the aftermath. Search the model, see if anyone else complained about issues. First thing I do before buying anything. -mb On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I have a gentleman who wants to try out Linux. Should an install on this > vista machine be a problem? I mean if the live mint install works then it > should be good-to-go? > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
toshiba laptop with vista presently
I have a gentleman who wants to try out Linux. Should an install on this vista machine be a problem? I mean if the live mint install works then it should be good-to-go? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
Not sure what apps are on pine phone but it does run full Linux. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 19:20, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I like the idea. Do android apps run on them? > > > On 10/12/22 16:40, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> With pine phone you have root access. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the >>> ability to install what they want on their computers. It's been that >>> way with android devices since they began. Good luck finding a phone >>> or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you >>> bought. I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market. >>> >>> On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>> I'd say STAY AWAY from it >>>> >>>> About Windows 11 in S mode >>>> >>>> Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for >>>> security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. >>>> To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and >>>> requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. >>>> >>>> >>>> It's a crippled system !!! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at >>>>> Amazon: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, >>>>> FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by >>>>> THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S >>>>> >>>>> Now $179.00 >>>>> was $445.00 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 >>>>> >>>>> Nice!! >>>>> >>>>> Keith >>>>> --- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> --- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I like the idea. Do android apps run on them? On 10/12/22 16:40, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: With pine phone you have root access. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the ability to install what they want on their computers. It's been that way with android devices since they began. Good luck finding a phone or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you bought. I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market. On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'd say STAY AWAY from it About Windows 11 in S mode Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. It's a crippled system !!! On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at Amazon: Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S Now $179.00 was $445.00 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 Nice!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
With pine phone you have root access. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: > It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the > ability to install what they want on their computers. It's been that > way with android devices since they began. Good luck finding a phone > or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you > bought. I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market. > > On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> I'd say STAY AWAY from it >> >> About Windows 11 in S mode >> >> Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for >> security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To >> increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires >> Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. >> >> >> It's a crippled system !!! >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at >>> Amazon: >>> >>> >>> Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, >>> FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by >>> THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S >>> >>> Now $179.00 >>> was $445.00 >>> >>> >>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 >>> >>> Nice!! >>> >>> Keith >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I've watched a few of Louis Rossmann's videos on right to repair. I think he would tell you this is a planned way to force you to upgrade and to always need to go to the vendor for repairs. Louis Rossmann is here - https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos. In the case of MS I think it is a way to control and force all software vendors to be certified. I would expect certification to be long, arduous, and very expensive. In the case of this laptop I would remove the 11S and replace it with Linux. This laptop may be discounted because it runs 11S and no one wants 11S. If I were in need I would take an in-depth look at this laptop because on it's face it looks like an extremely good deal. On 2022-10-12 11:02, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the ability to install what they want on their computers. It's been that way with android devices since they began. Good luck finding a phone or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you bought. I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market. On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'd say STAY AWAY from it ABOUT WINDOWS 11 IN S MODE Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. It's a crippled system !!! On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at Amazon: Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S Now $179.00 was $445.00 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 Nice!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the ability to install what they want on their computers. It's been that way with android devices since they began. Good luck finding a phone or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you bought. I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market. On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'd say STAY AWAY from it About Windows 11 in S mode Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. It's a crippled system !!! On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at Amazon: Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S Now $179.00 was $445.00 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 Nice!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I did not spend much time analyzing this laptop however it is very appealing. I agree, put Linux on it. I posted this incase someone might be in the market for a decent and discounted laptop. I have too much hardware and am saving up to build a fire breathing 12 core 48GB of RAM VM machine so I can have a serious home lab. Stephen, If you have a trusted source for used equipment, I think there are people on the list that might benefit from that information. Keith Smith On 2022-10-12 06:18, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: i would run Chrome OS Flex or Linux on that. Win 11 is kind of iffy in my book, and The S version is half an OS. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:09 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: I have a friend that has 5 laptops for sale right now. He removes all data on it and makes sure everything is running right and installs windows 10 on it. I bought one and it’s great. I installed Linux on it and runs just fine. It is an HP probook. He works for the business that gets ready to replace laptops. Mine is only a little over 2 years old. I can get a list of them he has for sale and the price for them if you’d like. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'd say STAY AWAY from it About Windows 11 in S mode Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. It's a crippled system !!! On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at Amazon: Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S Now $179.00 was $445.00 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 Nice!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
i would run Chrome OS Flex or Linux on that. Win 11 is kind of iffy in my book, and The S version is half an OS. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:09 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I have a friend that has 5 laptops for sale right now. He removes all data > on it and makes sure everything is running right and installs windows 10 on > it. I bought one and it’s great. I installed Linux on it and runs just > fine. It is an HP probook. He works for the business that gets ready to > replace laptops. Mine is only a little over 2 years old. I can get a list > of them he has for sale and the price for them if you’d like. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > I'd say STAY AWAY from it > > > > About Windows 11 in S mode > > > > Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for > > security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows > > experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft > > Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. > > > > > > It's a crippled system !!! > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale > at > >> Amazon: > >> > >> > >> Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, > >> FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by > >> THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S > >> > >> Now $179.00 > >> was $445.00 > >> > >> > >> > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 > >> > >> Nice!! > >> > >> Keith > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Harold Hartley > 17632 N. 5th place > Phoenix, AZ 85022 > wheelie...@ownmail.net > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I have a friend that has 5 laptops for sale right now. He removes all data on it and makes sure everything is running right and installs windows 10 on it. I bought one and it’s great. I installed Linux on it and runs just fine. It is an HP probook. He works for the business that gets ready to replace laptops. Mine is only a little over 2 years old. I can get a list of them he has for sale and the price for them if you’d like. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'd say STAY AWAY from it > > About Windows 11 in S mode > > Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for > security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows > experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft > Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. > > > It's a crippled system !!! > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at >> Amazon: >> >> >> Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, >> FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by >> THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S >> >> Now $179.00 >> was $445.00 >> >> >> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 >> >> Nice!! >> >> Keith >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap Laptop
I'd say STAY AWAY from it About Windows 11 in S mode Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing. It's a crippled system !!! On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at > Amazon: > > > Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, > FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by > THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S > > Now $179.00 > was $445.00 > > > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 > > Nice!! > > Keith > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Cheap Laptop
Hi, I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at Amazon: Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse, FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S Now $179.00 was $445.00 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800 Nice!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ultrathin Laptop ...
Yeah, I use my cellphone right now, so power isn't a concern. Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, 16:51 Seabass via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > My most recent laptop is like this. > Frame.work is what I have and would recommend. > Perhaps it has more power than you are needing, as RDP would mean remote > processing, though? > > > Seeking input on ultrathin laptops that can run Linux adequately well. > > > Prefer a 15" screen, but don't care about much else, as it's only "real" > > job will be to host an RDP session to my Workstation and Server. > > > I know a lot of laptops can run Linux, but I was hoping to get feedback > > from real world usage. > > > Ultrathin and 2-3 pounds is desired. > > > > > > Original Message > On Aug 10, 2022, 12:00, < plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World > Wide Web, visit https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org You can reach the person managing > the list at plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org When replying, please > edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of > PLUG-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Open Source License ( > techli...@phpcoderusa.com) 2. Re: Open Source License (Retro64XYZ) 3. Re: > Open Source License (techli...@phpcoderusa.com) 4. Re: Open Source > License (der.hans) 5. Re: Open Source License (T Zack Crawford) 6. > Ultrathin Laptop ... (Snyder, Alexander J) 7. Re: Ultrathin Laptop ... > (Snyder, Alexander J) > -- > Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:42:07 -0700 From: > techli...@phpcoderusa.com To: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Subject: Open > Source License Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed Hi, I am writing some source code as an example that will > make it into a number of blog posts on my blog. I do not care if anyone > uses this code for any purpose. Any suggestions on how I copyright it? > Thanks!! Keith -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Aug > 2022 14:43:56 -0700 From: Retro64XYZ To: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Subject: > Re: Open Source License Message-ID: < > 72f035c5-93cd-9041-691e-7f9b808b1...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=UTF-8; format=flowed If you REALLY don't care, use the FreeBSD > license. If you care a little, use the latest GPL. On 8/9/22 14:42, Keith > Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hi, > > I am writing some source code as an > example that will make it into a > number of blog posts on my blog. I do > not care if anyone uses this > code for any purpose. > > Any suggestions on > how I copyright it? > > Thanks!! > > Keith > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:52:38 > -0700 From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: > Re: Open Source License Message-ID: < > 28d9ea0345b4d7b73ce0b73f4d383...@phpcoderusa.com> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 2022-08-09 14:43, Retro64XYZ > via PLUG-discuss wrote: > If you REALLY don't care, use the FreeBSD > license. > > Thanks!! > If you care a little, use the latest GPL. > > On > 8/9/22 14:42, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am writing > some source code as an example that will make it into a >> number of blog > posts on my blog. I do not care if anyone uses this >> code for any > purpose. >> >> Any suggestions on how I copyright it? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> > Keith >> --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To > subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Message: 4 Date: T
Re: Ultrathin Laptop ...
My most recent laptop is like this. Frame.work is what I have and would recommend. Perhaps it has more power than you are needing, as RDP would mean remote processing, though? > Seeking input on ultrathin laptops that can run Linux adequately well. > Prefer a 15" screen, but don't care about much else, as it's only "real" > job will be to host an RDP session to my Workstation and Server. > I know a lot of laptops can run Linux, but I was hoping to get feedback > from real world usage. > Ultrathin and 2-3 pounds is desired. \ Original Message On Aug 10, 2022, 12:00, < plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss or, via email, send > a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org You can reach the person managing the > list at plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org When replying, please edit your > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss > digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Open Source License (techli...@phpcoderusa.com) > 2. Re: Open Source License (Retro64XYZ) 3. Re: Open Source License > (techli...@phpcoderusa.com) 4. Re: Open Source License (der.hans) 5. Re: Open > Source License (T Zack Crawford) 6. Ultrathin Laptop ... (Snyder, Alexander > J) 7. Re: Ultrathin Laptop ... (Snyder, Alexander J) > -- > Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:42:07 -0700 From: > techli...@phpcoderusa.com To: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Subject: Open > Source License Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed Hi, I am writing some source code as an example that will make > it into a number of blog posts on my blog. I do not care if anyone uses this > code for any purpose. Any suggestions on how I copyright it? Thanks!! Keith > -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:43:56 > -0700 From: Retro64XYZ To: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: Open > Source License Message-ID: <72f035c5-93cd-9041-691e-7f9b808b1...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed If you REALLY don't > care, use the FreeBSD license. If you care a little, use the latest GPL. On > 8/9/22 14:42, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hi, > > I am writing some > source code as an example that will make it into a > number of blog posts on > my blog. I do not care if anyone uses this > code for any purpose. > > Any > suggestions on how I copyright it? > > Thanks!! > > Keith > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:52:38 > -0700 From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: > Re: Open Source License Message-ID: > <28d9ea0345b4d7b73ce0b73f4d383...@phpcoderusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 2022-08-09 14:43, Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > If you REALLY don't care, use the FreeBSD license. > > Thanks!! > If > you care a little, use the latest GPL. > > On 8/9/22 14:42, Keith Smith via > PLUG-discuss wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am writing some source code as an example > that will make it into a >> number of blog posts on my blog. I do not care if > anyone uses this >> code for any purpose. >> >> Any suggestions on how I > copyright it? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Keith >> > --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > change your mail settings: >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 22:02:58 > + (UTC) From: "der.hans" To: Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: > Open Source License Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; > Format="flowed" Am 09. Aug, 2022 schwätzte Retro64XY
Re: Ultrathin Laptop ...
I bought this one, refurbished for just under $388. Samsung - Galaxy Book S 13.3 inches Laptop https://www.samsung.com/us/app/computing/windows-laptops/galaxy-book-s/lte/ Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 17:47 Snyder, Alexander J wrote: > Seeking input on ultrathin laptops that can run Linux adequately well. > > Prefer a 15" screen, but don't care about much else, as it's only "real" > job will be to host an RDP session to my Workstation and Server. > > I know a lot of laptops can run Linux, but I was hoping to get feedback > from real world usage. > > Ultrathin and 2-3 pounds is desired. > > Thanks, > Alexander > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Ultrathin Laptop ...
Seeking input on ultrathin laptops that can run Linux adequately well. Prefer a 15" screen, but don't care about much else, as it's only "real" job will be to host an RDP session to my Workstation and Server. I know a lot of laptops can run Linux, but I was hoping to get feedback from real world usage. Ultrathin and 2-3 pounds is desired. Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Converting old dual-boot laptop drive to virtual machine drive image
Last year when I was feeling financially comfortable (literally less than a month before a series of car issues started that resulted in trading in a not-yet-paid-off car) and finally bought a new laptop and at roughly the same time bought an ssd and more RAM for the former main daily driver laptop to make it a better carry around beater laptop. I still have the hard drive that had been in the laptop sitting nearby (which shipped with Window 8 and by the time it was retired was a Linux/Window 10 dual boot setup) for potential reuse, but I've wondered if anyone around here has experience converting a yanked drive into a drive image for a virtual machine. This was an idea that just popped into my head last night and the results of the quick web searches I did were mostly assuming two things: That you were primarily a Windows user wanting to virtualize a live desktop or server, so "Just go grab this Microsoft tool that will produce a hyper-v drive image and if you're using some other virtualization environment use its tools to convert that,"; and pretty much all the ones I saw were assuming you had one main partition and that you were just grabbing that. If I wanted something that more or less thought it was the old laptop is it actually as simple as just using dd to slurp up the whole drive into a laptop.img file and then pointing QEMU's QEMU-IMG tool at that file to convert it into one of the standard virtual drive formats? Also, if anyone knows a good M to go RTF, pointers to good documentation is always appreciated. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
I took the battery off. Same issues. When i was in the bios and the orange light started blinking, the buzzer also beeped along with the light. The temps are all in the 70s or lower range. Could it be a power supply problem? The house does have a grounding issue I think. On 7/29/21 9:17 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'll second that, probably battery related. Or overheating, install > psensor and check? > > Not sure if they give spec for what batteries they use, ideally > something fairly generic, but you can probably find a replacement easy > enough and diy. My xps15 started getting weird, then noticed I couldn't > use the trackpad locally on it because the battery was bulging and > wanted to explode. Replacing it made all that go away, but being a dell > meant easy to come by replacements - not sure how standard an oem unit > system76 uses... > > Always the challenge with smaller companies if you have to go back to > them for parts vs. finding it on ebay or alibaba or local. > > -mb > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 8:12 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: > > you can check the bios and see if there is a setting to disable the > battery. what can happen if the battery is old enough or just that > bad the laptop will try to trickle charge it and fail because of an > error. the shutdown is a protective measure. > > you can also open the bottom and track down the battery plug and > disconnect it if the above is not an option. > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Dhruva Lokegaonkar via PLUG-discuss > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: > > Hey, > > My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then > the power led starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. > The battery is pretty much dead. But it was working fine on AC > power. Any ideas what it could be? Its 2.5 years old. I'm in > India right now so I cannot set it to system 76 for repairs. > > I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and > waking it up buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as > the orange light start blinking within 2 min. > > -- > > "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" > Shanti > dhr...@lokegaonkar.in <mailto:dhr...@lokegaonkar.in> > lokegaonkar.in <https://lokegaonkar.in> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you > from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze > button. > > Stephen > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" Dhruva Lokegaonkar dhr...@lokegaonkar.in <mailto:dhr...@lokegaonkar.in> lokegaonkar.in <https://lokegaonkar.in> OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
If it is in fact a battery issue, a quick search says that the Galago Pro is a Clevo N130BU, of which plenty of eBay results turn up for a battery: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Clevo+N130BU+battery You'll probably want to pop it open to confirm the model number before you order though. On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 7:00 AM, Dhruva Lokegaonkar via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hey, > > My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then the power led > starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. The battery is pretty much > dead. But it was working fine on AC power. Any ideas what it could be? Its > 2.5 years old. I'm in India right now so I cannot set it to system 76 for > repairs. > > I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and waking it up > buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as the orange light start > blinking within 2 min. > > -- > > "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" > Shanti > dhr...@lokegaonkar.in > lokegaonkar.in > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
I'll second that, probably battery related. Or overheating, install psensor and check? Not sure if they give spec for what batteries they use, ideally something fairly generic, but you can probably find a replacement easy enough and diy. My xps15 started getting weird, then noticed I couldn't use the trackpad locally on it because the battery was bulging and wanted to explode. Replacing it made all that go away, but being a dell meant easy to come by replacements - not sure how standard an oem unit system76 uses... Always the challenge with smaller companies if you have to go back to them for parts vs. finding it on ebay or alibaba or local. -mb On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 8:12 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > you can check the bios and see if there is a setting to disable the > battery. what can happen if the battery is old enough or just that bad the > laptop will try to trickle charge it and fail because of an error. the > shutdown is a protective measure. > > you can also open the bottom and track down the battery plug and > disconnect it if the above is not an option. > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Dhruva Lokegaonkar via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then the power >> led starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. The battery is pretty >> much dead. But it was working fine on AC power. Any ideas what it could be? >> Its 2.5 years old. I'm in India right now so I cannot set it to system 76 >> for repairs. >> >> I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and waking it >> up buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as the orange light start >> blinking within 2 min. >> -- >> >> "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" >> Shanti >> dhr...@lokegaonkar.in >> lokegaonkar.in >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
This could be the problem. acpi says `Battery 0: Charging, 82%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge.` I'll try this and update. On 7/29/21 8:41 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: > you can check the bios and see if there is a setting to disable the > battery. what can happen if the battery is old enough or just that bad > the laptop will try to trickle charge it and fail because of an error. > the shutdown is a protective measure. > > you can also open the bottom and track down the battery plug and > disconnect it if the above is not an option. > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Dhruva Lokegaonkar via PLUG-discuss > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: > > Hey, > > My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then the > power led starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. The > battery is pretty much dead. But it was working fine on AC power. > Any ideas what it could be? Its 2.5 years old. I'm in India right > now so I cannot set it to system 76 for repairs. > > I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and waking > it up buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as the orange > light start blinking within 2 min. > > -- > > "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" > Shanti > dhr...@lokegaonkar.in <mailto:dhr...@lokegaonkar.in> > lokegaonkar.in <https://lokegaonkar.in> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" Shanti dhr...@lokegaonkar.in <mailto:dhr...@lokegaonkar.in> lokegaonkar.in <https://lokegaonkar.in> OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
you can check the bios and see if there is a setting to disable the battery. what can happen if the battery is old enough or just that bad the laptop will try to trickle charge it and fail because of an error. the shutdown is a protective measure. you can also open the bottom and track down the battery plug and disconnect it if the above is not an option. On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Dhruva Lokegaonkar via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Hey, > > My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then the power > led starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. The battery is pretty > much dead. But it was working fine on AC power. Any ideas what it could be? > Its 2.5 years old. I'm in India right now so I cannot set it to system 76 > for repairs. > > I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and waking it up > buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as the orange light start > blinking within 2 min. > -- > > "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" > Shanti > dhr...@lokegaonkar.in > lokegaonkar.in > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Problems with my System 76 Laptop.
Hey, My galago pro is acting weird. It runs for a few minutes, then the power led starts blinking orange, and then it shuts down. The battery is pretty much dead. But it was working fine on AC power. Any ideas what it could be? Its 2.5 years old. I'm in India right now so I cannot set it to system 76 for repairs. I can prevent the shutdown by putting the laptop to sleep and waking it up buy i have to keep doing it every other minute as the orange light start blinking within 2 min. -- "Jiska Pata Nahi Hota, Uska Pata Nahi Chalta" Shanti dhr...@lokegaonkar.in <mailto:dhr...@lokegaonkar.in> lokegaonkar.in <https://lokegaonkar.in> --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
System76 has some respectable options as does Lenovo. I think you can even get the business machines like thinkpad and think book with Linux instead of ms. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:02 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > They aren't cheap, about $2k for a top spec box maxed out without the > microsoft tax there, but available as cheap as you're willing to sacrifice > as the base model was around a grand with windoze home. I happen to have a > couple 1tb samsung m.2 1tb's floating around unused, I would reclaim to > save some cost, but actually what I like is that they offer a > bring-your-own option. > > A bit pricier than I can probably find an xps 13 or 15 box for on refurb > or coupon deals, but I like the concept more than the price. Combinations > of ports are always annoying on my laptops, I rather like they're > adjustable as just usb-c to whatever. > > -mb > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:14 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Got an idea of how much they cost? >> I have an old Dell here with a semi-broken keyboard and windows 7. I need >> something newer. If I can find a replacement internal keyboard for the >> dell, I will slap linux on it and call it good. >> >> Otherwise, I will need a newer machine for some things that I do. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, equipment acquisitions >> dept. >> >> On Jul 22, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >> I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now >> shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without >> an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for >> under ~10 bucks <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> >> anyways if I have to. >> >> If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. >> >> -mb >> >> >> ------ Forwarded message - >> From: Framework Newsletter >> Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM >> Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! >> >> >> We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >> Laptop >> >> >> >> >> [image: framework logo] >> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> >> The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! >> [image: Framework Laptop on desk] >> >> We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >> Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC >> unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our >> timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to >> repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with >> more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: >> *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular >> laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* >> – Lori Grunin, CNET >> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l8
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
https://frame.work/products/laptop/configuration/edit On Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:02:16 PM EDT, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: They aren't cheap, about $2k for a top spec box maxed out without the microsoft tax there, but available as cheap as you're willing to sacrifice as the base model was around a grand with windoze home. I happen to have a couple 1tb samsung m.2 1tb's floating around unused, I would reclaim to save some cost, but actually what I like is that they offer a bring-your-own option. A bit pricier than I can probably find an xps 13 or 15 box for on refurb or coupon deals, but I like the concept more than the price. Combinations of ports are always annoying on my laptops, I rather like they're adjustable as just usb-c to whatever. -mb On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:14 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: Got an idea of how much they cost?I have an old Dell here with a semi-broken keyboard and windows 7. I need something newer. If I can find a replacement internal keyboard for the dell, I will slap linux on it and call it good. Otherwise, I will need a newer machine for some things that I do. -EricFrom the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, equipment acquisitions dept. On Jul 22, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for under ~10 bucks anyways if I have to. If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. -mb -- Forwarded message - From: Framework Newsletter Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop | | | | | | | | | The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! | | | | | | | | | | | | We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: | | | | | | | | “A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”– Lori Grunin, CNET ( 8.5/10 ) | | | | | | | | “It’s the ultimate Right to Repair laptop”– Gordon Ung, PCWorld | | | | | | | | “The Framework Laptop is more than just [a] worthwhile experiment in modularity, it’s also a great laptop.”– Luke Larson, Digital Trends ( 4/5 ) | | | | | | | | Reviewers loved the freedom to repair and upgrade, the Expansion Card system, CPU performance, keyboard feel, webcam quality, and more. Of course, inside of Framework, we gravitate towards the critical feedback that points us to where to do better. We take every bit of feedback seriously, and we want your thoughts as you start using your Framework Laptop. This lets us know where to focus for future improvements, whether that is for firmware updates, modules, or next products. A wonderful thing about our product philosophy is that improvements can go into replacement parts and upgrades that every existing user can pick up and swap to, rather than needing to wait around and pay for an entirely new product. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | We’re grateful to each of you who have ordered already, and we’re looking forward to getting your Framework Laptop to you. Batch 1 pre-orders for July delivery continue to ship out from our warehouse each day. We’ll start Batch 2 shipments for August delivery soon after. We have a small number of Batch 2 Framework Laptop and Framework Laptop DIY Edition units currently available for sale, with just a fully refundable $100 deposit due today. If you pre-order now, some of you will be able to receive your order within 3 – 4 weeks. | | | | | | | | As proud as we are of the Framework Laptop (and we’re extremely proud!), the greatest thing we have created over the last 18 months is the team that built it. It takes an incredible team to build an excellent product this complex and deliver it on time. We’re hiring on all fronts to continue developing the Framework Laptop ecosystem and initiate our next categories. Let us know if you know anyone who may be interested in helping us build products
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
They aren't cheap, about $2k for a top spec box maxed out without the microsoft tax there, but available as cheap as you're willing to sacrifice as the base model was around a grand with windoze home. I happen to have a couple 1tb samsung m.2 1tb's floating around unused, I would reclaim to save some cost, but actually what I like is that they offer a bring-your-own option. A bit pricier than I can probably find an xps 13 or 15 box for on refurb or coupon deals, but I like the concept more than the price. Combinations of ports are always annoying on my laptops, I rather like they're adjustable as just usb-c to whatever. -mb On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:14 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Got an idea of how much they cost? > I have an old Dell here with a semi-broken keyboard and windows 7. I need > something newer. If I can find a replacement internal keyboard for the > dell, I will slap linux on it and call it good. > > Otherwise, I will need a newer machine for some things that I do. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, equipment acquisitions > dept. > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now > shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without > an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for > under ~10 bucks <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> > anyways if I have to. > > If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. > > -mb > > > -- Forwarded message ----- > From: Framework Newsletter > Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM > Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! > > > We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework > Laptop > > > > > [image: framework logo] > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> > The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! > [image: Framework Laptop on desk] > > We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework > Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC > unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our > timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to > repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with > more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: > *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular > laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* > – Lori Grunin, CNET > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l81oTzRvOjV-2Fy9ESnoTm-2B-2FrzmyM2hYwqcZ9GIRXFBqvKRIAYobAwHklqq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B7PksISgiyKR6jXr-2F-2BIiNHGNfJ8hdxEUqNsSeJaALka-2Fy6fO1Jjka4Mfv6ZNsHhIV2qLGlfMWvTGxq40-2Bamb16aKEbFtEZAQOYbKR6rBH7Murk6zgbtM2zRf4bYGUaifnyBlAPYxW9jfg36TZCBKsjbjatDeBCCNErgjni6bQM2Tg-3D-3D> > ( 8.5/10 ) > *“It’s the ultimate Right to Repair laptop”* > – Gordon Ung, PCWorld > <ht
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
Got an idea of how much they cost? I have an old Dell here with a semi-broken keyboard and windows 7. I need something newer. If I can find a replacement internal keyboard for the dell, I will slap linux on it and call it good. Otherwise, I will need a newer machine for some things that I do. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, equipment acquisitions dept. > On Jul 22, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now shipping > product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without an os (ie > microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for under ~10 bucks > <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> anyways if I have > to. > > If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. > > -mb > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Framework Newsletter <mailto:newslet...@frame.work>> > Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM > Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! > > > > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> > The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! > > We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop > and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC unanimously > voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our timing couldn't be > better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to repair product. > There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with more coming in the > next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: > “A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular laptop > is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.” > – Lori Grunin, CNET > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l81oTzRvOjV-2Fy9ESnoTm-2B-2FrzmyM2hYwqcZ9GIRXFBqvKRIAYobAwHklqq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B7PksISgiyKR6jXr-2F-2BIiNHGNfJ8hdxEUqNsSeJaALka-2Fy6fO1Jjka4Mfv6ZNsHhIV2qLGlfMWvTGxq40-2Bamb16aKEbFtEZAQOYbKR6rBH7Murk6zgbtM2zRf4bYGUaifnyBlAPYxW9jfg36TZCBKsjbjatDeBCCNErgjni6bQM2Tg-3D-3D> > ( 8.5/10 ) > “It’s the ultimate Right to Repair laptop” > – Gordon Ung, PCWorld > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQM6-2BFWPcU8tvulj1u2p7q8UdVp7fhDipW3BS8bR5AXFWHcvlUXuk-2FOkkS8h9EaIfFTkd-2FFAT4ip9Lr035KDTmHG1ErBgf120-2BR6qkiSZJT6LQFSqGOEMfYT-2BxcOvqBmCy7mX6ZXB-2BZZUqFPiy-2FogtGg3GSp5PZOqAGUSj3M0LGx8RqjfrlvuJrHONVdjV4FQHynVLvmXoN-2Bl3oB7GZadeGqqMHOUTahpZTdjFYexTa9BrZRkgWDDbRMT6DiMfvoPz8pcaCicihTX-2FCG-2Bt4Y7Ujnz8b1qtx1z3Hift2hPn-2FmjwuZV-2Bmc31eLSej89ULsirEIPP9E27WPOvKu8z-2FHjXQWyJKV0y9uPulObZVvWp5edZrwq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B4u-2BEGMgm6vqYUt1MCGKez-2FE9mucTgk-2BrMWJRt2mZgrkHglyysBKQVgjxYWx63vSDDLeInVAcrwcs-2FchWnJyigg7Tnpl2EmWiIJryhPYcWg4M7zFLVTRP2d3-2BWBqGPmZkLVixHW-2BNZO7itSGrdaUKDL2BQBX-2FPI64x33io6Em-2FBRA-3D-3D> > “The Framework Laptop is more than just [a] worthwhile experiment in > modularity, it’s also a great laptop.” > – Luke Larson, Digital Trends > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQKFB0I
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That's actually pretty decent, 2x m.2 disks, nice gpu, but still only 2x sodimm slots sadly. I don't think they do 64gb sodimm sticks in ddr4, so still stuck at 64gb with 2x 32gb. Memory is always my largest problem, I still commonly OOM with 64gb of ram. Occasionally I would even OOM my 128gb desktop. Yeah, I *could* use less ram, but it hampers my ability to work with various customers and/or various technologies in the name of virtual appliances I commonly run for testing, tinkering, and learning. -mb On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:32 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > The Dell G5 5505 is the closest i have seen from one of the big box crew. > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:01 AM Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> I would love that setup as well. This ThinkPad is the closest I have seen >> to date. >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> My big wants are 4x sodimm slots for ram (ie. I can load it with 128gb >>> ram with 4x 32gb sticks), 2x m.2 ssd's (raid 1), and 4k display with a >>> decent gpu, at least better than intel integrated crap. Much like your >>> beefy thinkpad, just without intel vs. nvidia weirdness that never works >>> right anyways with a decent gpu, at least under linux. Something >>> lightweight too akin to my xps15, I don't need a 10lb laptop to haul when I >>> do go onsite with customers to install their networks in a data center. >>> I'm old and it hurts now. >>> >>> I figure in theory AMD + Radeon will work much more smoothly, and offer >>> something better than typically shitty intel graphics or adding nvidia atop >>> intel that requires prime that never works suitably. I don't game a lot, >>> but with steam proton I was finally able to start playing decent games on >>> my desktop before it died, my xps15's intel gpu just doesn't have the umph >>> to deal, and prime is just a basketcase that usually crashes things to try. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:21 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>>> What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i >>>> find very nice. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now >>>>> shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it >>>>> without >>>>> an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for >>>>> under ~10 bucks >>>>> <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> anyways if >>>>> I have to. >>>>> >>>>> If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of >>>>> these. >>>>> >>>>> -mb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>>> From: Framework Newsletter >>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM >>>>> Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >>>>> Laptop >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: framework logo] >>>>> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4Z
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
The Dell G5 5505 is the closest i have seen from one of the big box crew. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:01 AM Stephen Partington wrote: > I would love that setup as well. This ThinkPad is the closest I have seen > to date. > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> My big wants are 4x sodimm slots for ram (ie. I can load it with 128gb >> ram with 4x 32gb sticks), 2x m.2 ssd's (raid 1), and 4k display with a >> decent gpu, at least better than intel integrated crap. Much like your >> beefy thinkpad, just without intel vs. nvidia weirdness that never works >> right anyways with a decent gpu, at least under linux. Something >> lightweight too akin to my xps15, I don't need a 10lb laptop to haul when I >> do go onsite with customers to install their networks in a data center. >> I'm old and it hurts now. >> >> I figure in theory AMD + Radeon will work much more smoothly, and offer >> something better than typically shitty intel graphics or adding nvidia atop >> intel that requires prime that never works suitably. I don't game a lot, >> but with steam proton I was finally able to start playing decent games on >> my desktop before it died, my xps15's intel gpu just doesn't have the umph >> to deal, and prime is just a basketcase that usually crashes things to try. >> >> -mb >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:21 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i >>> find very nice. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now >>>> shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without >>>> an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for >>>> under ~10 bucks >>>> <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> anyways if I >>>> have to. >>>> >>>> If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of >>>> these. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>> From: Framework Newsletter >>>> Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM >>>> Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! >>>> >>>> >>>> We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >>>> Laptop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: framework logo] >>>> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> >>>> The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! >>>> [image: Framework Laptop on desk] >>>> >>>> We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >>>> Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC >>>> unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our >>>> timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to >>>> repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with >>>> more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: >>>> >>>> *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular >>>&
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
I would love that setup as well. This ThinkPad is the closest I have seen to date. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > My big wants are 4x sodimm slots for ram (ie. I can load it with 128gb ram > with 4x 32gb sticks), 2x m.2 ssd's (raid 1), and 4k display with a decent > gpu, at least better than intel integrated crap. Much like your beefy > thinkpad, just without intel vs. nvidia weirdness that never works right > anyways with a decent gpu, at least under linux. Something lightweight too > akin to my xps15, I don't need a 10lb laptop to haul when I do go onsite > with customers to install their networks in a data center. I'm old and it > hurts now. > > I figure in theory AMD + Radeon will work much more smoothly, and offer > something better than typically shitty intel graphics or adding nvidia atop > intel that requires prime that never works suitably. I don't game a lot, > but with steam proton I was finally able to start playing decent games on > my desktop before it died, my xps15's intel gpu just doesn't have the umph > to deal, and prime is just a basketcase that usually crashes things to try. > > -mb > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:21 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i >> find very nice. >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now >>> shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without >>> an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for >>> under ~10 bucks >>> <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> anyways if I >>> have to. >>> >>> If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of >>> these. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: Framework Newsletter >>> Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM >>> Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! >>> >>> >>> We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >>> Laptop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: framework logo] >>> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> >>> The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! >>> [image: Framework Laptop on desk] >>> >>> We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >>> Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC >>> unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our >>> timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to >>> repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with >>> more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: >>> >>> *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular >>> laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* >>> >>> – Lori Grunin, CNET >>> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
My big wants are 4x sodimm slots for ram (ie. I can load it with 128gb ram with 4x 32gb sticks), 2x m.2 ssd's (raid 1), and 4k display with a decent gpu, at least better than intel integrated crap. Much like your beefy thinkpad, just without intel vs. nvidia weirdness that never works right anyways with a decent gpu, at least under linux. Something lightweight too akin to my xps15, I don't need a 10lb laptop to haul when I do go onsite with customers to install their networks in a data center. I'm old and it hurts now. I figure in theory AMD + Radeon will work much more smoothly, and offer something better than typically shitty intel graphics or adding nvidia atop intel that requires prime that never works suitably. I don't game a lot, but with steam proton I was finally able to start playing decent games on my desktop before it died, my xps15's intel gpu just doesn't have the umph to deal, and prime is just a basketcase that usually crashes things to try. -mb On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:21 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i find > very nice. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now >> shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without >> an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for >> under ~10 bucks <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> >> anyways if I have to. >> >> If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. >> >> -mb >> >> >> -- Forwarded message ----- >> From: Framework Newsletter >> Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM >> Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! >> >> >> We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >> Laptop >> >> >> >> >> [image: framework logo] >> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> >> The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! >> [image: Framework Laptop on desk] >> >> We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework >> Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC >> unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our >> timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to >> repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with >> more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: >> >> *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular >> laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* >> >> – Lori Grunin, CNET >> <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l81oTzRvOjV-2Fy9ESnoTm-2B-2FrzmyM2hYwqcZ9GIRXFBqvKRIAYobAwHklqq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B7PksISgiyKR6jXr-2F-2BIiNHGNfJ8hdxEUqNsSeJaALka-2Fy6fO1Jjka4M
Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i find very nice. On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now > shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without > an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for > under ~10 bucks <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> > anyways if I have to. > > If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. > > -mb > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Framework Newsletter > Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM > Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! > > > We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework > Laptop > > > > > [image: framework logo] > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> > The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! > [image: Framework Laptop on desk] > > We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework > Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC > unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our > timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to > repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with > more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: > > *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular > laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* > > – Lori Grunin, CNET > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l81oTzRvOjV-2Fy9ESnoTm-2B-2FrzmyM2hYwqcZ9GIRXFBqvKRIAYobAwHklqq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B7PksISgiyKR6jXr-2F-2BIiNHGNfJ8hdxEUqNsSeJaALka-2Fy6fO1Jjka4Mfv6ZNsHhIV2qLGlfMWvTGxq40-2Bamb16aKEbFtEZAQOYbKR6rBH7Murk6zgbtM2zRf4bYGUaifnyBlAPYxW9jfg36TZCBKsjbjatDeBCCNErgjni6bQM2Tg-3D-3D> > ( 8.5/10 ) > > *“It’s the ultimate Right to Repair laptop”* > > – Gordon Ung, PCWorld > <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQM6-2BFWPcU8tvulj1u2p7q8UdVp7fhDipW3BS8bR5AXFWHcvlUXuk-2FOkkS8h9EaIfFTkd-2FFAT4ip9Lr035KDTmHG1ErBgf120-2BR6qkiSZJT6LQFSqGOEMfYT-2BxcOvqBmCy7mX6ZXB-2BZZUqFPiy-2FogtGg3GSp5PZOqAGUSj3M0LGx8RqjfrlvuJrHONVdjV4FQHynVLvmXoN-2Bl3oB7GZadeGqqMHOUTahpZTdjFYexTa9BrZRkgWDDbRMT6DiMfvoPz8pcaCicihTX-2FCG-2Bt4Y7Ujnz8b1qtx1z3Hift2hPn-2FmjwuZV-2Bmc31eLSej89ULsirEIPP9E27WPOvKu8z-2FHjXQWyJKV0y9uPulObZVvWp5edZrwq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B4u-2BEGMgm6vqYUt1MCGKez-2FE9mucTgk-2BrMWJRt2mZgrkHglyysBKQVgjxYWx63vSDDLeInVAcrwcs-2FchWnJyigg7Tnpl2EmWiIJryhPYcWg4M7zFLVTRP2d3-2BWBqGPmZkLVixHW-2BNZO7itSGrdaUKDL2BQBX-2FPI64x33io6Em-2FBRA-3D-3D> > > *“The Framework Laptop is more than just [a] worthwhile experiment in > modularity, it’s also a great laptop.”* > > – Luke Larson, Digital Trends > <http://trk.kl
Fwd: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!
I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own real windoze license for under ~10 bucks <https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html> anyways if I have to. If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these. -mb -- Forwarded message - From: Framework Newsletter Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping! We're excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop [image: framework logo] <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQDcq6CTTcCRkJlPf79VTETCruDe5fW5KBEvbA-2FguMENTh662Zo84-2B-2Fw33HXG2soNzn6Jtlbkl61VkXrTXnJovz126t3RAOTNj7bnH-2Fv4TrnaezVUPTrdUOgXEUAq5v14WMv9me5bD0GwHqH7WQQfIB-2B6nW5gAzQEMowfgvbH1AXJ3V4U6uEDt3MIQ9CvwFlcESPemb3-2Bls2HGWiF6Nz2hUCPq9cYihhk0UEmoO8bKBPAEe3Yuo8A-2B7SRMt4vxzCuw3GQjbEfi-2FQuL4-2BplyjVDQaVpYH0TC48MT35YDJkzs8M-2FZ5DgecYO65lb1ZSRM-2Bjsw-3D-3DrqB0_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B585pIby9WYBvdr9WAPPJ8ane45tBWQWtKD-2FfKdUaAgfrIqjWdm6TQwM85KtDd2ga9JHCF6F6WkVCDKktQk9Tes9nyrdRzq7nfr3-2F9b4ZqwuawiRpXDQa9-2FGj-2BeLhN6bj62T3c1kvmhkNUzOVsxxcEBAEfkVsRY-2FpW1RtHHO0h-2BiQ-3D-3D> The Framework Laptop is now shipping, and press reviews are up! [image: Framework Laptop on desk] We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are: *“A poster child for the right-to-repair movement, Framework’s modular laptop is one of the smartest designs I’ve seen in a long time.”* – Lori Grunin, CNET <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQEm68Mxq0tDV-2FnMuWKuQt6hsJD9eXGF4nzyF-2BUulUImtVFrZZs-2F-2F6SfgXSSxPgSpTGMhvH57di0P727wepmNVVDjZ2YKmLw52-2B98vpWXEN6jpEmQ9XZDqMRB6jgDoZXdSkMFdZNGTZZvHIpJELerX40WIAwJCU07MyVwqA4qeodgR28exs5UulKO1u8F6hGJyTCrDYS47P6xu6bR6-2F-2FiJolBGtrf1WD1aK5Ijb4P-2BMb7BZSgMVlEj8t5247J7S0p42XAK6kFL9EzliSSuPfkBAbwsZq5iTWFjL0NHC3AgUo098ddi0UZffxzMSt3JNw9UdlbLxvOWvvdYnLwlr7t52pwDJpbPMwE3GFnoVJ2QLhfRL-2FSodgR313l81oTzRvOjV-2Fy9ESnoTm-2B-2FrzmyM2hYwqcZ9GIRXFBqvKRIAYobAwHklqq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B7PksISgiyKR6jXr-2F-2BIiNHGNfJ8hdxEUqNsSeJaALka-2Fy6fO1Jjka4Mfv6ZNsHhIV2qLGlfMWvTGxq40-2Bamb16aKEbFtEZAQOYbKR6rBH7Murk6zgbtM2zRf4bYGUaifnyBlAPYxW9jfg36TZCBKsjbjatDeBCCNErgjni6bQM2Tg-3D-3D> ( 8.5/10 ) *“It’s the ultimate Right to Repair laptop”* – Gordon Ung, PCWorld <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQM6-2BFWPcU8tvulj1u2p7q8UdVp7fhDipW3BS8bR5AXFWHcvlUXuk-2FOkkS8h9EaIfFTkd-2FFAT4ip9Lr035KDTmHG1ErBgf120-2BR6qkiSZJT6LQFSqGOEMfYT-2BxcOvqBmCy7mX6ZXB-2BZZUqFPiy-2FogtGg3GSp5PZOqAGUSj3M0LGx8RqjfrlvuJrHONVdjV4FQHynVLvmXoN-2Bl3oB7GZadeGqqMHOUTahpZTdjFYexTa9BrZRkgWDDbRMT6DiMfvoPz8pcaCicihTX-2FCG-2Bt4Y7Ujnz8b1qtx1z3Hift2hPn-2FmjwuZV-2Bmc31eLSej89ULsirEIPP9E27WPOvKu8z-2FHjXQWyJKV0y9uPulObZVvWp5edZrwq_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B4u-2BEGMgm6vqYUt1MCGKez-2FE9mucTgk-2BrMWJRt2mZgrkHglyysBKQVgjxYWx63vSDDLeInVAcrwcs-2FchWnJyigg7Tnpl2EmWiIJryhPYcWg4M7zFLVTRP2d3-2BWBqGPmZkLVixHW-2BNZO7itSGrdaUKDL2BQBX-2FPI64x33io6Em-2FBRA-3D-3D> *“The Framework Laptop is more than just [a] worthwhile experiment in modularity, it’s also a great laptop.”* – Luke Larson, Digital Trends <http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQKFB0I9A8S8n5iVKwfM6vUa5FKvE8GpjbsGGapz-2BhvNqny8ayD57tNQ9Rolh8wJRaiyviZ0G7-2FdecOxbo1HWS1uXVx867ra7-2BjjyqzFOT2uZLY-2BQhW9eGNAur98fDQxhPZWK3xPq6-2BukYMi0Vn5RtP6ICdjBhI-2B2xcNUR33tIM1sJu0hG8b5FrctM98hH2L8t5tKFDxI5h6pGwdjIuj5dsiLUTV8hBNmdihVxjonxbE4H9-2FYW0Ed5S-2FXrzWFfxocbjnETBhnXfIufGw-2FxUp7KaK7wTejNIpTH2f8YRT-2F2pKvKmxf7yQR9Fxz-2BqLboSTQRJDDCsXw9do4xp1h4iAjR35GhoA1fB3eDbNYA4G5OC
Re: Modular laptop concept
My current main is a Thinkpad T-15g and while it currently runs windows (Shortsights drive choice at the moment) it has been a decent machine so far. 4 Dimm slots, i9, RTX 2070 MaxQ, 2x2280 M.2, and some funky PCIe slot that is apparently a weird variant on an m.2 key B slot. Aside from a tad under in the cooling department I am reasonably happy with it. Part I like the most is that the GPU is a standard MXM slot (if not size/shape/etc) so it can be swapped. Something like this could make for a more modular system in the future and I would love to see it. On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 6:36 AM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2/26/21 7:16 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > I mostly think of thinkpads as chinese crap-gadgets anymore since ibm > > discarded the brand name to lenovo. I have one from my current > > customer, a T14, I7 proc, dock, etc, and not a bad box - other than it > > runs windoze that I can't simply blast and put linux on (outside a vm I > > run on it). I don't really know that I trust it much, to me it's a dumb > > windoze box to do dumb windoze crap that only works on windoze for them. > > You and me have different experiences with modern Thinkpads then. I have > an E580 from 2018, and I bought a touch screen variant for my father in > law a year ago. Both run Linux just fine out of the box (though mine I > replaced the crappy Broadcom wifi card with an Intel one), no fuss, no > mess. I have ran everything from Slackware to Fedora, and even ran > FreeBSD on them without an issue. > > What sold me on Thinkpad is the repairability of them. Maybe not so much > anymore with soldered in RAM, but at least the one I bought has easily > replaceable components. > > I hope this modular laptop works out, but they're going to run into an > economy of scale problem. If they can get past that, here's hoping they > do well. > > -Matt > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
On 2/26/21 7:16 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I mostly think of thinkpads as chinese crap-gadgets anymore since ibm > discarded the brand name to lenovo. I have one from my current > customer, a T14, I7 proc, dock, etc, and not a bad box - other than it > runs windoze that I can't simply blast and put linux on (outside a vm I > run on it). I don't really know that I trust it much, to me it's a dumb > windoze box to do dumb windoze crap that only works on windoze for them. You and me have different experiences with modern Thinkpads then. I have an E580 from 2018, and I bought a touch screen variant for my father in law a year ago. Both run Linux just fine out of the box (though mine I replaced the crappy Broadcom wifi card with an Intel one), no fuss, no mess. I have ran everything from Slackware to Fedora, and even ran FreeBSD on them without an issue. What sold me on Thinkpad is the repairability of them. Maybe not so much anymore with soldered in RAM, but at least the one I bought has easily replaceable components. I hope this modular laptop works out, but they're going to run into an economy of scale problem. If they can get past that, here's hoping they do well. -Matt --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Well, worse than Thinkpad? Ideapad. :^) I'd get a business class Dell, if I had to make a quick decision. Most consumer class stuff is junk - glued, soldered, disposable. On Friday, February 26, 2021, 7:16:59 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: I mostly think of thinkpads as chinese crap-gadgets anymore since ibm discarded the brand name to lenovo. I have one from my current customer, a T14, I7 proc, dock, etc, and not a bad box - other than it runs windoze that I can't simply blast and put linux on (outside a vm I run on it). I don't really know that I trust it much, to me it's a dumb windoze box to do dumb windoze crap that only works on windoze for them. I considered a thinkpad for a bit before I bought my last xps15 dell, but 1) price killed the notion (you'd think they'd be cheaper being owned in china), 2) I don't really trust they're up to par with old ibm-based thinkpads, and 3) simply don't trust them at all. Everything is made in china these days true, but still rather not invest directly in china, trust they aren't adding some snoop hardware ala the Supermicro hardware fiasco, and simply take the blue pill. I agree this frame.work laptop concept is probably a long-shot, but the notion is novel. Not seen one like the framework, but likewise burned on kickstarters and such, I mostly avoid them all together. Here's to hope for better days I suppose. My old xps15 9560 still holds up currently after upgrading to 64gb of ram (and a new battery recently) every day, so while I probably could use a new laptop, it works fine to fidget too much to get a new one. I've been watching for a sleek ryzen/epic amd laptop, and will probably wait for that. -mb On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 6:52 PM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Thick thinkpad improvised weapon chads rise up. I can web dev or I can breach > a door > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> On 2021-02-26 17:56, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>> Michael Butash wrote: >>>> https://frame.work/ [1] >>>> Might look at one of these if/when they come about. >>> I backed one of these projects and the dude never shipped. His was a >>> modular framework for upgrading a laptop and it ended up getting >>> demolished by shoddy work in the shop they chose in China. >> >> These will be more expensive than other laptops in the short term. Making >> computer parts that fit together into a frame that is not custom-designed, >> in form factors that humans can work on, and supported by metal frames >> instead of glue requires effort and money. And regular consumers are >> super-sensitive to price. So I think the only way this won't be a >> hastily-discarded boutique product is if 3rd-party manufacturers start >> making other modules that are cheap and do interesting things. Which is >> possible but unlikely IMHO. (Observing the x86 industry for 22ish years has >> made me a tad pessimistic.) >> >> Also, I do not give a about how thick my laptop is. In 1999, I had a >> Thinkpad 380D that could probably have been used as an improvised weapon. >> It was 2.5 cm in height and weighed 3.6 (?) kg. A modern machine with that >> form factor and weight would have a crazy long battery life. I am obviously >> in the minority, as marketers have conditioned the general population to >> think "looks trendy" >> "functions well". >> >> -- >> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress >> There is no Darkness in Eternity >> But only Light too dim for us to see. >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
I mostly think of thinkpads as chinese crap-gadgets anymore since ibm discarded the brand name to lenovo. I have one from my current customer, a T14, I7 proc, dock, etc, and not a bad box - other than it runs windoze that I can't simply blast and put linux on (outside a vm I run on it). I don't really know that I trust it much, to me it's a dumb windoze box to do dumb windoze crap that only works on windoze for them. I considered a thinkpad for a bit before I bought my last xps15 dell, but 1) price killed the notion (you'd think they'd be cheaper being owned in china), 2) I don't really trust they're up to par with old ibm-based thinkpads, and 3) simply don't trust them at all. Everything is made in china these days true, but still rather not invest directly in china, trust they aren't adding some snoop hardware ala the Supermicro hardware fiasco, and simply take the blue pill. I agree this frame.work laptop concept is probably a long-shot, but the notion is novel. Not seen one like the framework, but likewise burned on kickstarters and such, I mostly avoid them all together. Here's to hope for better days I suppose. My old xps15 9560 still holds up currently after upgrading to 64gb of ram (and a new battery recently) every day, so while I probably could use a new laptop, it works fine to fidget too much to get a new one. I've been watching for a sleek ryzen/epic amd laptop, and will probably wait for that. -mb On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 6:52 PM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Thick thinkpad improvised weapon chads rise up. I can web dev or I can > breach a door > > > On Feb 26, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > > On 2021-02-26 17:56, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >>> Michael Butash wrote: > >>> https://frame.work/ [1] > >>> Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > >> I backed one of these projects and the dude never shipped. His was a > >> modular framework for upgrading a laptop and it ended up getting > >> demolished by shoddy work in the shop they chose in China. > > > > These will be more expensive than other laptops in the short term. > Making computer parts that fit together into a frame that is not > custom-designed, in form factors that humans can work on, and supported by > metal frames instead of glue requires effort and money. And regular > consumers are super-sensitive to price. So I think the only way this won't > be a hastily-discarded boutique product is if 3rd-party manufacturers start > making other modules that are cheap and do interesting things. Which is > possible but unlikely IMHO. (Observing the x86 industry for 22ish years > has made me a tad pessimistic.) > > > > Also, I do not give a about how thick my laptop is. In 1999, I had > a Thinkpad 380D that could probably have been used as an improvised > weapon. It was 2.5 cm in height and weighed 3.6 (?) kg. A modern machine > with that form factor and weight would have a crazy long battery life. I > am obviously in the minority, as marketers have conditioned the general > population to think "looks trendy" >> "functions well". > > > > -- > > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > > There is no Darkness in Eternity > > But only Light too dim for us to see. > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Thick thinkpad improvised weapon chads rise up. I can web dev or I can breach a door > On Feb 26, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > On 2021-02-26 17:56, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> Michael Butash wrote: >>> https://frame.work/ [1] >>> Might look at one of these if/when they come about. >> I backed one of these projects and the dude never shipped. His was a >> modular framework for upgrading a laptop and it ended up getting >> demolished by shoddy work in the shop they chose in China. > > These will be more expensive than other laptops in the short term. Making > computer parts that fit together into a frame that is not custom-designed, in > form factors that humans can work on, and supported by metal frames instead > of glue requires effort and money. And regular consumers are super-sensitive > to price. So I think the only way this won't be a hastily-discarded boutique > product is if 3rd-party manufacturers start making other modules that are > cheap and do interesting things. Which is possible but unlikely IMHO. > (Observing the x86 industry for 22ish years has made me a tad pessimistic.) > > Also, I do not give a about how thick my laptop is. In 1999, I had a > Thinkpad 380D that could probably have been used as an improvised weapon. It > was 2.5 cm in height and weighed 3.6 (?) kg. A modern machine with that form > factor and weight would have a crazy long battery life. I am obviously in > the minority, as marketers have conditioned the general population to think > "looks trendy" >> "functions well". > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
On 2021-02-26 17:56, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: Michael Butash wrote: https://frame.work/ [1] Might look at one of these if/when they come about. I backed one of these projects and the dude never shipped. His was a modular framework for upgrading a laptop and it ended up getting demolished by shoddy work in the shop they chose in China. These will be more expensive than other laptops in the short term. Making computer parts that fit together into a frame that is not custom-designed, in form factors that humans can work on, and supported by metal frames instead of glue requires effort and money. And regular consumers are super-sensitive to price. So I think the only way this won't be a hastily-discarded boutique product is if 3rd-party manufacturers start making other modules that are cheap and do interesting things. Which is possible but unlikely IMHO. (Observing the x86 industry for 22ish years has made me a tad pessimistic.) Also, I do not give a about how thick my laptop is. In 1999, I had a Thinkpad 380D that could probably have been used as an improvised weapon. It was 2.5 cm in height and weighed 3.6 (?) kg. A modern machine with that form factor and weight would have a crazy long battery life. I am obviously in the minority, as marketers have conditioned the general population to think "looks trendy" >> "functions well". -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
I backed one of these projects and the dude never shipped. His was a modular framework for upgrading a laptop and it ended up getting demolished by shoddy work in the shop they chose in China. I hope this one works out. > On Feb 26, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. > > https://frame.work/ > > Might look at one of these if/when they come about. > > -mb > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Modular laptop concept
This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. https://frame.work/ Might look at one of these if/when they come about. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Stephen Partington so: moin moin, Do your best to avoid a mac with the t2 security chip. That basically renders the SSD useless. Hadn't heard of that. Thanks for the heads up. I would also suggest you run refind for your boot. It will make life easier for you to swap back and forth for firmware updates. Hopefully I won't have to do much of that. ciao, der.hans On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 PM Matt Graham wrote: On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # "so now the US army is sacrificing goats" -- Alice Cooper, 15Sep2004--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Matt Graham so: moin moin Matt, On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. It probably won't be a really new machine, but sound is a required feature for me in this particular case. There are several sound applications I need for work. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Extra security exploits for fun. ciao, der.hans Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # You can't handle the source! - der.hans--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Todd Cole so: moin moin, the last intel macbook pro we did at the installfest worked perfect ubuntu 18.04 uefi the hardest part was finding the boot key "C" as I recall and added gnome tweaks to adjust the trackpad and add right click the ram in that one was EEC but could be added and increased and I hear that the newer macbook pro has integrated ram so no upgrades are possible Well, if it's all sautered in they'll have to get me one with sufficient RAM to begin with :). ciao, der.hans On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM der.hans wrote: moin moin, My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a card that all uses the same identifier. Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or just a new battery and some bailing wire. If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my saving throw this time. Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on the laptop color??? ciao, der.hans PS The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the email I was writing and who might respond :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # "This place has everything. It's even got a Hans." -- Ken Bowley--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Do your best to avoid a mac with the t2 security chip. That basically renders the SSD useless. I would also suggest you run refind for your boot. It will make life easier for you to swap back and forth for firmware updates. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 PM Matt Graham wrote: > On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: > > Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on > > Apple > > laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? > > It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part > of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 > and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with > wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel > modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot > like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything > eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. > https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble > with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at > least partially. > > > Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? > > Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to > change your kernel boot parameters all the time. > > > Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? > > Not AFAICT. > > > Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with > > I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
the last intel macbook pro we did at the installfest worked perfect ubuntu 18.04 uefi the hardest part was finding the boot key "C" as I recall and added gnome tweaks to adjust the trackpad and add right click the ram in that one was EEC but could be added and increased and I hear that the newer macbook pro has integrated ram so no upgrades are possible On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM der.hans wrote: > moin moin, > > My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff > that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a > card that all uses the same identifier. > > Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or > just a new battery and some bailing wire. > > If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple > laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my > saving throw this time. > > Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple > laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? > > Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? > > Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a > stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). > > Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on > the laptop color??? > > ciao, > > der.hans > > PS > > The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the > email I was writing and who might respond :) > > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Todd Cole Ubuntu Arizona Team 2928 W El Caminito Phoenix AZ 85051-3957 to...@azloco.com 602-677-9402 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
deb/ub on apple laptop?
moin moin, My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a card that all uses the same identifier. Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or just a new battery and some bailing wire. If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my saving throw this time. Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on the laptop color??? ciao, der.hans PS The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the email I was writing and who might respond :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ansible laptop management
Yeah, I use it for configuring my Debian installs. I don't use it much these days, but it is in my gitlab repo. I appreciate the method of learning it, as that is what I did, but what were you wondering about it? Original Message On Aug 31, 2019, 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Minor monitor gripe(rant) (Steven -) > 2. Ansible laptop management (Steven -) > 3. OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (Victor Odhner) > 4. Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (Andrew McRobb) > 5. Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (Bob Elzer) > 6. Re: Ansible laptop management (Aaron Jones) > 7. Virtualbox 6.0.10 and secure boot (James Crawford) > 8. Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (David Schwartz) > 9. OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (Victor Odhner) > 10. Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (Snyder, Alexander J) > 11. Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service > (David Schwartz) > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: Steven - > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > Subject: Minor monitor gripe(rant) > Message-ID: <1330932448.801645.1567191198...@myemail.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Back when I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s we had a few > computers with a grey-scale monitor that could be rotated between landscape > and portrait orientation. Do you know what happened when we'd do that? You'd > hear the clack of a mechanical orientation sensor, the screen would > momentarily blank, and then the orientation of the display would > automatically update. Which isn't a shock to anyone who has used late model > PDAs and just about every tablet and smart phone. How is it that today, when > all but the cheapest desktop monitor stands allow you to rotate the monitor, > we have to manually tell the computer we've rotated the monitor? > > Okay, yes, this is because back then that was a premium and pricey monitor > which is why only the vo-tech computer class had even two of them in the > entire school (we also had an analog camera that recorded to disk, not a > Kodak disc film camera but an SLR camera which used a camcorder sensor and > recorded single frames of analog NTSC to magnetic 2 or maybe they were 2.5 > inch disks. The drive for these disks was as large as the Mac it was plugged > into). So throwing a sensor onto the monitor wasn't that expensive when we > were already getting charged a premium for it. But would it kill them to > include it on the less than bargain basement monitors today? Although now I'm > wondering if DisplayPort/DVI/etc even have a way in their standards to pass > along orientation information or if you'd need a separate connection, a quick > googling isn't finding anything promising about that. > > Anyway, just a quick rant to get that out. I do in fact feel better having > done so. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.phxlinux.org/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20190830/dcccb19c/attachment-0001.html> > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:18:38 -0700 (MST) > From: Steven - > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > Subject: Ansible laptop management > Message-ID: <82943838.802065.1567192718...@myemail.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Anyone here using some form of configuration management (Ansible, Chef, > Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS > install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to > start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they > aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones > I'm planning to build on them as time goes by using this as a way to build up > actual working knowledge and not just read-tutorials-knowledge of it. > -- next part ---
Re: Ansible laptop management
I manage like 10 thinkpads using ansible. They all run Manjaro. Why? > On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Steven - wrote: > > Anyone here using some form of configuration management (Ansible, Chef, > Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS > install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to > start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they > aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones > I'm planning to build on them as time goes by using this as a way to build up > actual working knowledge and not just read-tutorials-knowledge of it. > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Ansible laptop management
Anyone here using some form of configuration management (Ansible, Chef, Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones I'm planning to build on them as time goes by using this as a way to build up actual working knowledge and not just read-tutorials-knowledge of it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Mike, All of the responses that I received were posted on the PLUG message exchange. Also, it is curious that this message dated Jan 5 just showed up from the PLUG list today, Jan 15? I wonder how that happened? --- On Sat, January 5, 2019 myli...@cox.net wrote: > Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. > Thanks Mike > ---Original Message--- > From: Joe Lowder > Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM > Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift? > > What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) > Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? > > One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed > and that would "just work" out of the box. > > I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but > wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, no muss, no fuss. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Pretty slick deal for a Linux laptop. https://computers.woot.com/offers/dell-latitude-e7450-14-intel-i5-ssd-ultrabook Dell Latitude E7450 14" Ultrabook, Intel Core i5-5300U 2.3GHz, 240GB Solid State Drive, 8GB DDR3, 802.11ac, Bluetooth, Win10Pro $369.99 Refurbished On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 5:22 PM Joe Lowder Thanks to all who responded. > > Mike wrote: Hi Joe. can you share the > answers to your question. Thanks, Mike > > So, Mike, I've quoted three of the most recent responses > below. Earlier replies can be found in the PLUG archives: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/splash/index.html > > I've had great success with Linux installed on several > ThinkPads (both IBM and Lenovo) for many years. A couple > of installs on Dells turned out to be problematic for me. > Mint has worked best for me. > > The reason I asked the "Linux laptop for a gift" question > was to see if the PLUG "brain trust" might have any newer > recommendations for any affordable pre-installed options. > > I gave my wife a Chromebook, but she is not satisfied > with that. > > So, I just purchased another Thinkpad 430u for $150 to set > up with Linux Mint for my wife because she is finally fed up > with Windows 10. After years of using Windows 8, she has now > been coerced into the Windows 10 nightmare and she hates it. > > I personally will not have anything to do with anything > from Micro$haft and I'm now having a problem tring to install > Linux Mint on the 430u because of the UEFI annoyance. > > Please see this link: http://upquick.com/temp/430/ > > Hope somebody can help me get past this UEFI nuisance. > > > == mich...@butash.net wrote: > I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more, > even then it's hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch > linux install cd after a week). Thinkpads tend to have their > issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so much seem to care about > linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out, which only goes > so far. Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel team > to get some real input I've found. Using the ones they sell with > linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's, > at least with ubuntu and such they tend to support. > > == ke...@fries-biro.com wrote: > You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with > "cheapest". You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero > incompatabilities... simple, System76. It will come with either > PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy. > Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny > things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet > to see one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much > effort are you willing to put in and what is your tolerance for > things breaking on upgrade? > > == trent.ship...@gmail.com wrote: > My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used Chromebooks. > Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux desktop, > let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux. > Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine? > There are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there, > assuming you don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft. > A Chromebook can't be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box, > and my understanding is that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under > the covers. So Chromebook is a really good choice for a cheap, > user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google or Chromebook. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Thanks to all who responded. Mike wrote: Hi Joe. can you share the answers to your question. Thanks, Mike So, Mike, I've quoted three of the most recent responses below. Earlier replies can be found in the PLUG archives: https://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/splash/index.html I've had great success with Linux installed on several ThinkPads (both IBM and Lenovo) for many years. A couple of installs on Dells turned out to be problematic for me. Mint has worked best for me. The reason I asked the "Linux laptop for a gift" question was to see if the PLUG "brain trust" might have any newer recommendations for any affordable pre-installed options. I gave my wife a Chromebook, but she is not satisfied with that. So, I just purchased another Thinkpad 430u for $150 to set up with Linux Mint for my wife because she is finally fed up with Windows 10. After years of using Windows 8, she has now been coerced into the Windows 10 nightmare and she hates it. I personally will not have anything to do with anything from Micro$haft and I'm now having a problem tring to install Linux Mint on the 430u because of the UEFI annoyance. Please see this link: http://upquick.com/temp/430/ Hope somebody can help me get past this UEFI nuisance. == mich...@butash.net wrote: I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more, even then it's hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch linux install cd after a week). Thinkpads tend to have their issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so much seem to care about linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out, which only goes so far. Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel team to get some real input I've found. Using the ones they sell with linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's, at least with ubuntu and such they tend to support. == ke...@fries-biro.com wrote: You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest". You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... simple, System76. It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy. Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet to see one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much effort are you willing to put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade? == trent.ship...@gmail.com wrote: My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used Chromebooks. Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux desktop, let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux. Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine? There are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there, assuming you don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft. A Chromebook can't be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box, and my understanding is that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under the covers. So Chromebook is a really good choice for a cheap, user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google or Chromebook. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Trent, The chrome books are nice, but there is a caveat for us blind users. Getting accessibility to work on there is a huge pain and requires visual assistance to activate (unlike OS X with voiceover, or any of the accessible enabled linux distributions) Still, if I wanted to install a full linux distribution on there, would it be possible? -Eric > On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:08 PM, trent shipley wrote: > > And who is it for? My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used > Chromebooks. Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux > desktop, let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux. > > Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine? There are > some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there--assuming you don't > have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft. A Chromebook can't be beat > for cheap, functional, and out of the box, and my understanding is that it's > based on Gentoo, deep, deep under the covers. So Chromebook is a really good > choice for a cheap, user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google > or Chromebook. > > Trent. > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Kevin Fries <mailto:ke...@fries-biro.com>> wrote: > Joe, > > You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest". > > You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... > simple, System76. It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint > dirives. Open the box, enjoy your laptop. > > Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny things > with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet to see one that > can not be made to work in a long time. How much effort are you willing to > put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade? > > Kevin > > > Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=14063> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 5:26 PM, "myli...@cox.net <mailto:myli...@cox.net>" > mailto:myli...@cox.net>> wrote: > > <http://www.incredimail.com/app/?tag=display_picture_click_me_re=9=6395274_id=2_id=1=IncrediMail=81E62892-CAFE-4901-8F70-BF6AC926CCEE_test_id=0> > Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. > Thanks > Mike > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Joe Lowder <mailto:j...@actionline.com> > Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift? > > What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) > Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? > > One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed > and that would "just work" out of the box. > > I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but > wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, > no muss, no fuss. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > FREE Animations for your email > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > Click Here! > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> > > <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=201
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
And who is it for? My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used Chromebooks. Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux desktop, let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux. Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine? There are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there--assuming you don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft. A Chromebook can't be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box, and my understanding is that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under the covers. So Chromebook is a really good choice for a cheap, user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google or Chromebook. Trent. On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Kevin Fries wrote: > Joe, > > You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest". > > You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... > simple, System76. It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which > Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy your laptop. > > Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny > things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet to see > one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much effort are you > willing to put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade? > > Kevin > > > Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=14063> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 5:26 PM, "myli...@cox.net" wrote: >> >> [image: Click Me!] >> <http://www.incredimail.com/app/?tag=display_picture_click_me_re=9=6395274_id=2_id=1=IncrediMail=81E62892-CAFE-4901-8F70-BF6AC926CCEE_test_id=0> >> Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> *---Original Message---* >> >> *From:* Joe Lowder >> *Date:* 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM >> *To:* plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> *Subject:* Best linux laptop for a gift? >> >> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) >> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? >> >> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed >> and that would "just work" out of the box. >> >> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but >> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, >> no muss, no fuss. >> >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> FREE Animations for your email >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> Click >> Here! >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=621159=10501=2820,201206281812,9,1,2102006209352139596=163948671_test_id=0=20190105> >> >> -- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Joe, You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest". You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... simple, System76. It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy your laptop. Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet to see one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much effort are you willing to put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade? Kevin Sent from BlueMail On Jan 5, 2019, 5:26 PM, at 5:26 PM, "myli...@cox.net" wrote: >Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. >Thanks >Mike > > > > >---Original Message--- > >From: Joe Lowder >Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM >To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift? > >What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) >Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? > >One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed >and that would "just work" out of the box. > >I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but >wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, >no muss, no fuss. > > > >--- >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >--- >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more, even then it's hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch linux install cd after a week). Thinkpads tend to have their issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so much seem to care about linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out, which only goes so far. Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel team to get some real input I've found. Using the ones they sell with linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's, at least with ubuntu and such they tend to support. -mb On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Joe Lowder wrote: > What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) > Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? > > One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed > and that would "just work" out of the box. > > I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but > wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, > no muss, no fuss. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. Thanks Mike ---Original Message--- From: Joe Lowder Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift? What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed and that would "just work" out of the box. I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, no muss, no fuss. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Amazon has a great section to buy refurb or similar devices. Good place to get a baseline. And you have recourse if DOA. However look up battery prices and consider a new battery as part of your base price On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:17 PM Mark Phillips Find the laptop you can afford (ie best processor, most RAM, large hard > drive, weight and size for what you want to do with the laptop) and then > google "install mint on " where XXX = make and model of that laptop. > You will quickly see if there are any issues. If there are, pick another > one! > > Also, google the cost of a RAM upgrade and new hard drive for the model > you pick - you may be able to save some bucks on buying a laptop with > little RAM and a bad hard drive and replacing those yourself. > > Finally, if buying a used laptop from a person, install mint on a usb > stick and test if the laptop will boot from the usb stick and into mint. > > I agree with Stephen, Latitudes and Thinkpads are usually Linux friendly > > Mark > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:11 PM Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with >> 1 Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already. >> That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist >> entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream. >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder > >>> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) >>> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? >>> >>> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed >>> and that would "just work" out of the box. >>> >>> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but >>> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, >>> no muss, no fuss. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?
Find the laptop you can afford (ie best processor, most RAM, large hard drive, weight and size for what you want to do with the laptop) and then google "install mint on " where XXX = make and model of that laptop. You will quickly see if there are any issues. If there are, pick another one! Also, google the cost of a RAM upgrade and new hard drive for the model you pick - you may be able to save some bucks on buying a laptop with little RAM and a bad hard drive and replacing those yourself. Finally, if buying a used laptop from a person, install mint on a usb stick and test if the laptop will boot from the usb stick and into mint. I agree with Stephen, Latitudes and Thinkpads are usually Linux friendly Mark On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:11 PM Stephen Partington wrote: > Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with 1 > Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already. > That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist > entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream. > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder >> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) >> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? >> >> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed >> and that would "just work" out of the box. >> >> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but >> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, >> no muss, no fuss. >> >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with 1 Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already. That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream. On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) > Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? > > One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed > and that would "just work" out of the box. > > I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but > wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, > no muss, no fuss. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Best linux laptop for a gift?
What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable) Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift? One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed and that would "just work" out of the box. I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, no muss, no fuss. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Their business is fixing broken computers and recovering damaged disks, so their experience is largely with broken equipment. This guy was the one who saved me from myself when a computer I built in January wouldn’t post: he glanced at all the connections and then turned my memory sticks the right way around. Five minutes, no charge. :) They did get me a smoking deal on a new monitor in 2008, beat Best Buy, but you don’t see stuff for sale there. They cheerfully accept all my old electronics, to go to AZSTRUT for recycling and in some cases AZSTRUT puts together used equipment for worthy causes — I worked with a refugee years ago who was using an AZSTRUT machine. On 20180620, at 12:35, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:36:05 -0700 Victor Odhner wrote: > I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in > there. The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using > computers that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a > dealership. Hi Victor, What points did the guy make? Did the guy's advice still make sense if the store allows the customer to boot a System Rescue CD media on the computer under investigation, to test out all its capabilities under Linux? I'm interested because I occasionally buy used computers. The older the computer, the less likely I'll have EFI, Secure Boot, or driver compatibility issues. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Thanks again for the support. Tom has his computer. Got a Latitude i7 as described below, $169 + $25 (+tax) for another 4GB installed. This was from Feature Marketing, they were very pleasant to work with. When Tom went back to get it, they added a “father’s day” gift of a classy bag. They have certain Linux distros they usually load for non-Windows users, and I asked for something else, verbally, so minor fluke we’ll fix; don’t complicate everything like I do. :) As I said below, they say most of their PCs come from Fortune 500 companies that have leased the computers for something like 2 years and then return them to the manufacturers, who then dump them on the re-use market. This PC was totally clean, one little scratch, keypads didn’t look at all worn. I think they may tend to be my provider for any future PCs. Thanks again especially to Stephen and Phil. ___ On 20180618, at 12:36, Victor Odhner wrote: I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread! My friend Tom also appreciates the concern. I’ll feed back what I’ve collected from this so far, but first I should explain why $200s and 4GB memory is not as stupid as it might seem. Tom’s business is going out and tuning pianos, or providing appraisals for sale. His use of a computer is: (a) using email to communicate with clients; (b) preparing quotes and appraisal documents using Libre Office; (c) printing those documents; (d) working with simple spreadsheets. (e) some web browsing. So 4GB should be just fine. He’s not the kind to get impatient over swap time. He uses an external disk so doesn’t need to store lots of history in the laptop. The only real requirement is that the computer keeps ticking! Tips I’m looking at: Stephen, re: Latitude i5/i7: Tom does carry his laptop around, rugged is good. In fact, we may be onto one of these: ... Feature Marketing — suggested by Phil.Waclawski. They have Dell Latitude i7 E6330 13.3” for $169.00, I think a year warranty. I chatted with them. We *may* run over there and close a deal, maybe with some upgrades. This place seems pretty solid, they say they sell a lot of linux computers to local students, whose teachers have sent them repeat business over several years; some local business, but they do most of their business out of state. Most of the computers come from big companies. Comments? They’re in the Scottsdale Airport area, about 8 miles east of me. Resell Electronics — suggested by Todd. Interesting, I just called them up at 877-726-0104. Their web site doesn’t show inventory because they do most of their business on ebay. Walk-ins are welcome, at 850 W Lincoln St. Door 1 in Phoenix, that’s off 7th Ave just south of the bridge over the railroad tracks. They have a computer there where you can search what’s in their inventory, but the stuff is in their warehouse and you don’t see it till you buy it. I think I’ll run down there tomorrow. Fry’s deal of the week: HP 11-y010nr, 11.6" Stream Laptop Celeron N3060, 4GB, 32GB eMMC, $199. The good point here is solid state and the fact that it’s new, but Fry’s service is horrible in my experience and I don’t like the idea of sending things away for Stephen, re: thinkpad: I’m biased against Corporate China, but I hear good things about thinkpad with Linux. Trent & Stephen have reinforced my feeling against current ChromeBook. And prices aren’t all that great either, if you do some shopping. Eric, we’re in the Paradise Valley area of Phoenix. If we should run into an ongoing warranty hassle you’re totally right about distance. Since Feature Marketing is right here, that is a plus for me. But I don’t mind driving around a bit. (Where are you?) Eric, re Red 7: I haven’t heard much mention of them since they started some 20 years ago, but yes, I see redsevenlinux.com <http://redsevenlinux.com/>: they seem to still be in business, and it looks like a good business model. But either their site has been owned, or they lack focus: Computer solutions are mixed with a lame porn story and big-cock talk on their front page. Looks a tad unstable. I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in there. The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using computers that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a dealership. I spent years running second hand cars into the ground, so that isn’t too convincing to me; but I have also bought one used PC from a repair shop that turned out to be a total lemon, and I wasted money on a new battery that didn’t help, so that carries some weight. Thanks, Victor On 20180614, at 15:15, Carruth, Rusty mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote: Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. (Disclaimer - I have 16G on both my personal laptop and my work laptop. I used to have 4G on my work laptop, bah humbug) My wife’s laptop has 4G, and has to kill off firefox ever
Lecture on used computers: was Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:36:05 -0700 Victor Odhner wrote: > I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in > there. The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using > computers that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a > dealership. Hi Victor, What points did the guy make? Did the guy's advice still make sense if the store allows the customer to boot a System Rescue CD media on the computer under investigation, to test out all its capabilities under Linux? I'm interested because I occasionally buy used computers. The older the computer, the less likely I'll have EFI, Secure Boot, or driver compatibility issues. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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A chromebook could work, but he would have to move to the further end of the spectrum to get a workable device. And then he would have to consider alternatives to a locally run Libre Office. (Google sheets for example or one of the web based libre office options). On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:32 PM Victor Odhner wrote: > I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread! > My friend Tom also appreciates the concern. > > I’ll feed back what I’ve collected from this so far, but first I should > explain why $200s and 4GB memory is not as stupid as it might seem. > > Tom’s business is going out and tuning pianos, or providing appraisals for > sale. His use of a computer is: > (a) using email to communicate with clients; > (b) preparing quotes and appraisal documents using Libre Office; > (c) printing those documents; > (d) working with simple spreadsheets. > (e) some web browsing. > So 4GB should be just fine. He’s not the kind to get impatient over swap > time. He uses an external disk so doesn’t need to store lots of history in > the laptop. The only real requirement is that the computer keeps ticking! > > > Tips I’m looking at: > > Stephen, re: Latitude i5/i7: Tom does carry his laptop around, rugged is > good. > > In fact, we may be onto one of these: ... > > > Feature Marketing — suggested by Phil.Waclawski. > > They have Dell Latitude i7 E6330 13.3” for $169.00, I think a year > warranty. > I chatted with them. We *may* run over there and close a deal, maybe with > some upgrades. > This place seems pretty solid, they say they sell a lot of linux computers > to local students, whose teachers have sent them repeat business over > several years; some local business, but they do most of their business out > of state. Most of the computers come from big companies. Comments? > They’re in the Scottsdale Airport area, about 8 miles east of me. > > > Resell Electronics — suggested by Todd. > > Interesting, I just called them up at 877-726-0104. Their web site doesn’t > show inventory because they do most of their business on ebay. > Walk-ins are welcome, at 850 W Lincoln St. Door 1 in Phoenix, that’s off > 7th Ave just south of the bridge over the railroad tracks. They have a > computer there where you can search what’s in their inventory, but the > stuff is in their warehouse and you don’t see it till you buy it. I think > I’ll run down there tomorrow. > > > Fry’s deal of the week: HP 11-y010nr, 11.6" Stream Laptop Celeron N3060, > 4GB, 32GB eMMC, $199. The good point here is solid state and the fact that > it’s new, but Fry’s service is horrible in my experience and I don’t like > the idea of sending things away for > > Stephen, re: thinkpad: I’m biased against Corporate China, but I hear > good things about thinkpad with Linux. > > Trent & Stephen have reinforced my feeling against current ChromeBook. And > prices aren’t all that great either, if you do some shopping. > > Eric, we’re in the Paradise Valley area of Phoenix. If we should run into > an ongoing warranty hassle you’re totally right about distance. Since > Feature Marketing is right here, that is a plus for me. But I don’t mind > driving around a bit. (Where are you?) > > Eric, re Red 7: I haven’t heard much mention of them since they started > some 20 years ago, but yes, I see redsevenlinux.com: they seem to still > be in business, and it looks like a good business model. But either their > site has been owned, or they lack focus: Computer solutions are mixed with > a lame porn story and big-cock talk *on their front page.* Looks a tad > unstable. > > I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in there. > The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using computers > that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a dealership. I spent > years running second hand cars into the ground, so that isn’t too > convincing to me; but I have also bought one used PC from a repair shop > that turned out to be a total lemon, and I wasted money on a new battery > that didn’t help, so that carries some weight. > > Thanks, > Victor > ____ > > On 20180614, at 15:15, Carruth, Rusty wrote: > > Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. (Disclaimer - I have 16G on both > my personal laptop and my work laptop. I used to have 4G on my work > laptop, bah humbug) > > My wife’s laptop has 4G, and has to kill off firefox every once in a while > due to its apparent memory leak. However, I’ve got 16 G at work running > windows, and every few days **I** have to kill my firefox because it is > taking around 14G (or at least guess which window is causing the leak)…. > > (Ok, yes, I’m a heavy user.
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread! My friend Tom also appreciates the concern. I’ll feed back what I’ve collected from this so far, but first I should explain why $200s and 4GB memory is not as stupid as it might seem. Tom’s business is going out and tuning pianos, or providing appraisals for sale. His use of a computer is: (a) using email to communicate with clients; (b) preparing quotes and appraisal documents using Libre Office; (c) printing those documents; (d) working with simple spreadsheets. (e) some web browsing. So 4GB should be just fine. He’s not the kind to get impatient over swap time. He uses an external disk so doesn’t need to store lots of history in the laptop. The only real requirement is that the computer keeps ticking! Tips I’m looking at: Stephen, re: Latitude i5/i7: Tom does carry his laptop around, rugged is good. In fact, we may be onto one of these: ... Feature Marketing — suggested by Phil.Waclawski. They have Dell Latitude i7 E6330 13.3” for $169.00, I think a year warranty. I chatted with them. We *may* run over there and close a deal, maybe with some upgrades. This place seems pretty solid, they say they sell a lot of linux computers to local students, whose teachers have sent them repeat business over several years; some local business, but they do most of their business out of state. Most of the computers come from big companies. Comments? They’re in the Scottsdale Airport area, about 8 miles east of me. Resell Electronics — suggested by Todd. Interesting, I just called them up at 877-726-0104. Their web site doesn’t show inventory because they do most of their business on ebay. Walk-ins are welcome, at 850 W Lincoln St. Door 1 in Phoenix, that’s off 7th Ave just south of the bridge over the railroad tracks. They have a computer there where you can search what’s in their inventory, but the stuff is in their warehouse and you don’t see it till you buy it. I think I’ll run down there tomorrow. Fry’s deal of the week: HP 11-y010nr, 11.6" Stream Laptop Celeron N3060, 4GB, 32GB eMMC, $199. The good point here is solid state and the fact that it’s new, but Fry’s service is horrible in my experience and I don’t like the idea of sending things away for Stephen, re: thinkpad: I’m biased against Corporate China, but I hear good things about thinkpad with Linux. Trent & Stephen have reinforced my feeling against current ChromeBook. And prices aren’t all that great either, if you do some shopping. Eric, we’re in the Paradise Valley area of Phoenix. If we should run into an ongoing warranty hassle you’re totally right about distance. Since Feature Marketing is right here, that is a plus for me. But I don’t mind driving around a bit. (Where are you?) Eric, re Red 7: I haven’t heard much mention of them since they started some 20 years ago, but yes, I see redsevenlinux.com: they seem to still be in business, and it looks like a good business model. But either their site has been owned, or they lack focus: Computer solutions are mixed with a lame porn story and big-cock talk on their front page. Looks a tad unstable. I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in there. The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using computers that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a dealership. I spent years running second hand cars into the ground, so that isn’t too convincing to me; but I have also bought one used PC from a repair shop that turned out to be a total lemon, and I wasted money on a new battery that didn’t help, so that carries some weight. Thanks, Victor On 20180614, at 15:15, Carruth, Rusty wrote: Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. (Disclaimer - I have 16G on both my personal laptop and my work laptop. I used to have 4G on my work laptop, bah humbug) My wife’s laptop has 4G, and has to kill off firefox every once in a while due to its apparent memory leak. However, I’ve got 16 G at work running windows, and every few days *I* have to kill my firefox because it is taking around 14G (or at least guess which window is causing the leak)…. (Ok, yes, I’m a heavy user. I confess. (Is there a group for that?) ) We’re using Lenovo at work, and a T410 worked fine (as fine as it can with only 4G - but all the hardware worked ok as I remember). 4G max RAM, I think, but I think there’s a T420 or something that takes more RAM. I’ve had relatively good luck in the old days with Dell (Inspiron 8000 or something like that?), but YMMV. The only laptops I’ve got personal experience that I know work fine (again, ignoring memory) are: My wife’s, model and so forth forgotten. If you care I can go look My personal Alienware, which is WAY outside the price range. The only real issue with it was: you need a recent distro (Mint 17 didn’t work well, Mint 18 worked fine). Lenovo ThinkPad T410. Used with an o
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And, unless you have verified that the backup is usable, then you do not have a backup! (The time to discover that your backup wasn't happening is NOT when you need it!) Rusty, who is about to embark on a backup scheme at home which will use 2x4TB drives hooked to an old little cheapo computer that will wake up at night and do the deed...) -Original Message- ...lots of good stuff - deleted! (how rude!) Just back up early and often. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 03:29:42 -0700 trent shipley wrote: > 4. Sometimes it can be reasonable, and even cost effective, to buy > cheap hardware and treat it as disposable. That works if he/she's using fairly lightweight apps, and if he/she is diligent about backup, because I'm pretty sure a $200 will break before its scheduled replacement time. About lightweight apps: Using Openbox with Suckless Tools' dmenu to run applications, and something like xxxterm/xombrero, qupzilla, or surf instead of Chromium or Firefox goes a long way to making a 2006 laptop with 2GB RAM work well. I know, one of my laptops is a 2006 2GB box, and it's pretty snappy. To add to what Trent says, one advantage of really old hardware is it's guaranteed not to have that evil UEFI/secureboot, and its hardware quirks will have long ago been solved by Linux driver programmers. Just back up early and often. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Just to add my 2 cents to the discussion. I would suggest finding out what our piano tuner friend uses in way of applications on this computer for his business. Then size the computer around his needs, as opposed to a fixed dollar amount. I agree that the budget is important and real, but one should come at this problem from the standpoint of his computing needs, and then make the necessary trade offs to fit the machine into his budget. Mark On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 8:39 AM, wrote: > > If you subscribe to the Staples weekly ads you will find that occasionally > they offer some really good deals on laptops for under $400. Especially > around back to school, black Friday, and Christmas. I think Office Depot / > Office Max has the same types of ads. > > > > > On 2018-06-16 08:19, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: > >> Here is what we know: >> >> --- >> A friend needs a cheap Linux laptop for light duty business work: >> Libre Office, printing via USB connection, WIFI, email, and light >> browsing. >> >> His business (piano tuning) hangs on this. >> He would like the provider to be established with a decent reputation, >> whether the computer is new or refurbished. >> >> His cap is $400 but he would prefer closer to $200 . . . >> --- >> >> If he is not doing any image manipulation and does not edit videos on >> this machine then a cheap laptop would do it. i3 or maybe an old duo >> and 2 or more gigs of ram would make it happen. >> >> What we do not know is why this person has a constraint of $400 and >> would like to get down to $200. Maybe this person is semi-retired and >> does just enough piano tuning to supplement his income. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2018-06-15 22:31, Steve Litt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + >>> "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: >>> >>> Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. >>>> >>> >>> I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently >>> svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. >>> >>> But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he >>> should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd >>> call that 16GB. >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >>> >>> >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
If you subscribe to the Staples weekly ads you will find that occasionally they offer some really good deals on laptops for under $400. Especially around back to school, black Friday, and Christmas. I think Office Depot / Office Max has the same types of ads. On 2018-06-16 08:19, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: Here is what we know: --- A friend needs a cheap Linux laptop for light duty business work: Libre Office, printing via USB connection, WIFI, email, and light browsing. His business (piano tuning) hangs on this. He would like the provider to be established with a decent reputation, whether the computer is new or refurbished. His cap is $400 but he would prefer closer to $200 . . . --- If he is not doing any image manipulation and does not edit videos on this machine then a cheap laptop would do it. i3 or maybe an old duo and 2 or more gigs of ram would make it happen. What we do not know is why this person has a constraint of $400 and would like to get down to $200. Maybe this person is semi-retired and does just enough piano tuning to supplement his income. On 2018-06-15 22:31, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd call that 16GB. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
Here is what we know: --- A friend needs a cheap Linux laptop for light duty business work: Libre Office, printing via USB connection, WIFI, email, and light browsing. His business (piano tuning) hangs on this. He would like the provider to be established with a decent reputation, whether the computer is new or refurbished. His cap is $400 but he would prefer closer to $200 . . . --- If he is not doing any image manipulation and does not edit videos on this machine then a cheap laptop would do it. i3 or maybe an old duo and 2 or more gigs of ram would make it happen. What we do not know is why this person has a constraint of $400 and would like to get down to $200. Maybe this person is semi-retired and does just enough piano tuning to supplement his income. On 2018-06-15 22:31, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd call that 16GB. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
find out what ASU does with their old hardware buy some and spruce it up On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 6:29 AM, trent shipley wrote: > 1. It's a business computer. Most businesses think of IT as a cost, not a > strategic advantage. Most business that treat IT as a cost center. > > 2. Presumably, in budgeting $400 for a machine, and wanting to spend $200 > on a machine, the customer is severely constrained in initial cost of > ownership. > > 3. There's no point to worrying about total cost of ownership or longevity > if you can't meet the initial cost of ownership hurdle. > > 4. Sometimes it can be reasonable, and even cost effective, to buy cheap > hardware and treat it as disposable. > > Trent. > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 1:39 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I wouldn’t stop there. Some machines can now support up to 32 GB of ram. >> Sure, that may seem insanely expensive now, but as time goes on, you will >> still have more than enough machine to handle whatever the world throws at >> it. It’s like the 2 10 year old desktop machines I have here. They were top >> end gaming machines in 2008 with 32 GB of ram, 500 GB storage and Nvidia >> cards in the GT 9xxx series. Even today with only 2 cpu cores running at >> 3.02 Ghz each, those machines are still beastly. In fact, I did a game test >> with one of the room mates machines (he likes world of tanks but can’t get >> his newer machines to perform all that well) and pitted it against both of >> mine. Frankly, he want s mine (but doesn’t have the funds). >> >> Btw, the motherboards on these machines are as follows: >> 1. Intel core2 duo cpu on an ASUS IL0-9 pro with 32 GB ram (DDR3 800 Mhz >> FSB) and 500 GB HDD with a 32 GB Nvidia GT-9600 video card. >> >> 2. AMD X2 CPU running at 3 Ghz with 32 GB ram (same as above) on a Tyan >> Motherboard using a Nvidia 9800-GTX 32 GB card. Also has 500 GB storage. >> >> His machine? >> An intel i5 4 core CPU (2.66 Ghz), 4 GB ram, 256 GB HDD and the built in >> intel graphics using shared ram. It’s your basic E-machine brand. >> >> So, older isn’t necessarily a bad thing if it is built up right. >> >> So, if you are going to acquire a laptop, make it as future proof as you >> can. Sure, you will pay through the nose now, but will still have a beast >> later. :) >> >> -Eric >> >> >> > On Jun 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Steve Litt >> wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + >> > "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: >> > >> >> Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. >> > >> > I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently >> > svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. >> > >> > But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he >> > should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd >> > call that 16GB. >> > >> > SteveT >> > >> > Steve Litt >> > June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >> > >> > >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
1. It's a business computer. Most businesses think of IT as a cost, not a strategic advantage. Most business that treat IT as a cost center. 2. Presumably, in budgeting $400 for a machine, and wanting to spend $200 on a machine, the customer is severely constrained in initial cost of ownership. 3. There's no point to worrying about total cost of ownership or longevity if you can't meet the initial cost of ownership hurdle. 4. Sometimes it can be reasonable, and even cost effective, to buy cheap hardware and treat it as disposable. Trent. On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 1:39 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > I wouldn’t stop there. Some machines can now support up to 32 GB of ram. > Sure, that may seem insanely expensive now, but as time goes on, you will > still have more than enough machine to handle whatever the world throws at > it. It’s like the 2 10 year old desktop machines I have here. They were top > end gaming machines in 2008 with 32 GB of ram, 500 GB storage and Nvidia > cards in the GT 9xxx series. Even today with only 2 cpu cores running at > 3.02 Ghz each, those machines are still beastly. In fact, I did a game test > with one of the room mates machines (he likes world of tanks but can’t get > his newer machines to perform all that well) and pitted it against both of > mine. Frankly, he want s mine (but doesn’t have the funds). > > Btw, the motherboards on these machines are as follows: > 1. Intel core2 duo cpu on an ASUS IL0-9 pro with 32 GB ram (DDR3 800 Mhz > FSB) and 500 GB HDD with a 32 GB Nvidia GT-9600 video card. > > 2. AMD X2 CPU running at 3 Ghz with 32 GB ram (same as above) on a Tyan > Motherboard using a Nvidia 9800-GTX 32 GB card. Also has 500 GB storage. > > His machine? > An intel i5 4 core CPU (2.66 Ghz), 4 GB ram, 256 GB HDD and the built in > intel graphics using shared ram. It’s your basic E-machine brand. > > So, older isn’t necessarily a bad thing if it is built up right. > > So, if you are going to acquire a laptop, make it as future proof as you > can. Sure, you will pay through the nose now, but will still have a beast > later. :) > > -Eric > > > > On Jun 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + > > "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: > > > >> Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. > > > > I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently > > svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. > > > > But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he > > should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd > > call that 16GB. > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > > > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?
I wouldn’t stop there. Some machines can now support up to 32 GB of ram. Sure, that may seem insanely expensive now, but as time goes on, you will still have more than enough machine to handle whatever the world throws at it. It’s like the 2 10 year old desktop machines I have here. They were top end gaming machines in 2008 with 32 GB of ram, 500 GB storage and Nvidia cards in the GT 9xxx series. Even today with only 2 cpu cores running at 3.02 Ghz each, those machines are still beastly. In fact, I did a game test with one of the room mates machines (he likes world of tanks but can’t get his newer machines to perform all that well) and pitted it against both of mine. Frankly, he want s mine (but doesn’t have the funds). Btw, the motherboards on these machines are as follows: 1. Intel core2 duo cpu on an ASUS IL0-9 pro with 32 GB ram (DDR3 800 Mhz FSB) and 500 GB HDD with a 32 GB Nvidia GT-9600 video card. 2. AMD X2 CPU running at 3 Ghz with 32 GB ram (same as above) on a Tyan Motherboard using a Nvidia 9800-GTX 32 GB card. Also has 500 GB storage. His machine? An intel i5 4 core CPU (2.66 Ghz), 4 GB ram, 256 GB HDD and the built in intel graphics using shared ram. It’s your basic E-machine brand. So, older isn’t necessarily a bad thing if it is built up right. So, if you are going to acquire a laptop, make it as future proof as you can. Sure, you will pay through the nose now, but will still have a beast later. :) -Eric > On Jun 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:15:12 + > "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: > >> Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM. > > I can get 4GB RAM to walk and talk if I use Openbox and equivalently > svelt software. Firefox and Nautilus need not apply. > > But the OP is asking about a business computer, and in my opinion he > should buy an amount of RAM that will be useful 3 years from now. I'd > call that 16GB. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
