Re: test
Making it through what? ;-) Alan On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote: is this making it through? --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comwrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Yes, I should start using incognito mode to get a less tailored view from time to time. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:07 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:57 AM I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Joe, Most browsers now have a mode that prevents cookie tracking and other such methods of correlating you to the places you browse. I don't know who first called it incognito but it's a good name for it. http://browsers.about.com/od/faq/tp/Incognito-Browsing.htm (I don't know how accurate that page is but it appears to cover the settings for many popular browsers.) Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Well, of course there is one trustworthy source of truth ;) but it doesn't specialize in today's headlines (or then again perhaps it does ;) In any case, I took another look at news.google and perhaps it does about as objective a job of presenting today's headline stories as any. I wasn't aware that google tailors news to our individual preferences. That's very interesting. How does one specify an incognito mode, as Alan mentioned? I'd really like to be able to compare that to whatever is tailored for me. I did notice (for the first time today), that they offer four different format options: Modern, headlines, compact, and classic. I wish one could check a box beside articles that have been read so only the titles would appear and nothing else. That would make the overall list of articles even more concise, but one could still go back to a previously read article if desired. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: programming
Most places I visit use web-based applications more and more often. And, in such places, JavaScript developers seem to be in short supply. Alan On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: thank you so much for your help. What would you suggest as a marketable language for me to learn? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: http://codeacademy.com has free classes for much of the basics in several languages. They just added Python. Look to see if that fits your learning goals. Alan On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. how do you find the free kindle books and I was hoping to find a book that would teach programming from the ground up with exercises and stuff like that. Free is about all I can afford with two kids and being on disability and all the crap that is going on in my life! WHat is a good language to start learning? I remember that a friend of mine who went to Devry in 91 the first language he learned was Pascal. Is that a good language to start with or should I rather start with something more useful? Like maybe Java or Javascript or would you recommend something else? This is going to be completely a home study thing. I do have a Python book for python2.1 by Deitel, Liperi, and Weidermann (copywrite 02). I think I will work out of that unless you think it is too old. Please don't ask what I want to do with whatever I learn because right now I don't know what the possibilities of learning a language (be it Python, DHTML, or whatever). You know what, I also have a DHTML book (c1997) anda java book (c 96) that are really old. Do you think I should use them? Yeah, I'm thinking HTML and Java are more practical. I can offer to program things for people. What do you think I should do? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
The need for source file locking is often an indicator of a problem. Three likely ones: 1. Developers are not communicating enough. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. Fix the reason file locking is needed instead of diminishing the ability to get work done. Alan On Mar 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com* wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
1. Software development IS communication. To make it otherwise is to make it harder than it should be. Seems you either wait to ask for a file or you wait to see when the file is unlocked. Or you change how you work as a team such that asking is usually answered right away. 2. Don't rewrite, separate and organize. For example: One function per file. Or five per file or something like that. This will increase the granularity of the files and decrease the chance that two people will want the same file at the same time. Not knowing your code, even this simple rule could be a bit difficult to do. It's still easier than being locked out of files when you need them or wiping out the other developers modifications. 3. Poor craftsmanship has a high cost, yes. All my experience with VSS tallies up to calling it barely usable. It did file locking by default and has thus trained many developers that locking is a necessity. CVS was invented years before VSS and it has strong merging capability. The C stands for concurrent, after all! IMO file locking is a brute force bandage hiding other incorrect practices that developers don't think hurts the work and product. Sorry to steer the conversation away from your question. I don't know what alternatives to Git do file locking since I don't use that feature, even if it is available. Alan On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Alan, 1. Developers are not communicating enough. - I was hoping to reduce the need to verify each time I need a file or a group of files. This can be rather time consuming especially when we work when we want and may have a last minute task to fix or modify something that takes minutes. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) - There is a little of this going on. Sometimes you get what you get and you do not have the luxury to rewrite massive amounts of code. 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. - From my experience, especially in the PHP world this is the nature of almost all the code I have seen. In the end it looks like we will just have to communicate more. 17 years ago I worked with a company that used Visual Source Safe. There was 4 of us and a lead. On a number of occasions it it saved us from stepping on someone else's modifications. I'm not sure how you can track the work of 4 people working all day on small modifications to an existing system without spending a lot of time coordinating. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 5:31 PM The need for source file locking is often an indicator of a problem. Three likely ones: 1. Developers are not communicating enough. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. Fix the reason file locking is needed instead of diminishing the ability to get work done. Alan On Mar 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com * wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we
Re: ABLEconf dates?
Hmm. I had not correlated that many conflicts. There is a committee now running Desert Code Camp instead of one person. Hopefully that changes/softens any adversarial targeting by someone. If I get the sniff of any such specific nonsense, I will call it out. In fact, I will ask some people about it in the next week. Alan On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: Considering they changed it 3 years in a row to match, it's hard to see it any other way. On 10/12/2011 10:04 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: Deliberately? Really? Doubtful. Alan On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: 24/25 is Saturday/Sunday. Desert Code Camp deliberately sets their date to coincide with ours in an effort to limit the impact of ABLEConf; there's not much we can do about their desire to harm free and open technology adoption in Arizona except hope they eventually learn better. On 10/12/2011 03:08 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: My calendar shows March 24,25 2012 being Sat,Sun. No? Please clarify. ;) I sure hope we don't coincide with Desert Code Camp again. :( --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ABLEconf dates?
Deliberately? Really? Doubtful. Alan On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: 24/25 is Saturday/Sunday. Desert Code Camp deliberately sets their date to coincide with ours in an effort to limit the impact of ABLEConf; there's not much we can do about their desire to harm free and open technology adoption in Arizona except hope they eventually learn better. On 10/12/2011 03:08 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: My calendar shows March 24,25 2012 being Sat,Sun. No? Please clarify. ;) I sure hope we don't coincide with Desert Code Camp again. :( --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
A note of PLUG appreciation
Last Thursday I visited the beginning of the East Side Meeting. It was my fist visit to a PLUG meeting in literally years. I was gratified to see many of the familiar people and a strong mix of new faces too. That you are still a community, still working to improve each other's knowledge and spread FS/OSS to the larger Phoenix community is a great thing. Thank you for your collective work, performed by dedicated individuals. I will find a day when I can stay longer and enjoy more time with you all. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Conezilla vs dd
Clonezilla is designed and easy to use for exactly this need. Use dd if you want more control and don't mind using an additional tool to adjust the partition sizes. Alan On Jul 14, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I bought a larger hard drive for my laptop, so I need to clones my existing drive to the new drive. I have one of those cool usb hardrive caddies for my new drive, so all I need to do is fire up a live cd and clone the disk. I know I will have to repartition the new drive once it is cloned to recapture the new space to the new drive. I was wondering if the list has a preference for clonezilla over a plain ol' dd to clone a drive. Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
GUI or other interface to process accounting?
I recently had need to install process accounting on a Linux server. The commands like ac and lastcomm are nice, and powerful. And I figured it would be easy to find a GUI or other nice interface to the data. For example, something that allows selection of a user and then displays summary and detail about that user's commands, usage time, etc. But I haven't found anything like that. I'm surprised at the apparent lack of a GTK or whatever interface to flip, flop and otherwise display this data. Or maybe I'm just not finding it. Do any of you system administrator professionals know of such an application? Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Hi PLUG - Moving Back in July
It will be good to see you around the valley, Austin! Alan On Tuesday, June 7, 2011, Ben Trussell azlob...@gmail.com wrote: An early welcome back! Ben On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Austin Godber god...@uberhip.com wrote: Hello PLUG Folks, Seems I will be back in Phoenix in just a few weeks. Just thought I'd mention it to those I still know here. Austin --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for Ideas to facilitate group communication on the road
http://belugapods.com/ While they showcase the iOS and Android apps, works fine with just a text messaging phone too. Alan On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: This group always has great suggestions for my odd requirements, so here I go again;-) My two club softball teams are going to out of town for nationals at the end of June (~26 families). (We might even make ESPN...) We need a way to send messages to each other, and as a group. Up to this point, I have been running a private group email list that everyone can use to send and receive emails for the group. But not everyone has Internet or email on their phone, so the group email list is not the best option for everyone. My android phone can send a text message to a group, so I can handle the issue of schedule changes. But, not everyone's phone on the two teams can send a group text, which makes those impromptu 'team lunch' difficult for someone in the group to schedule, unless I become the group sms operator, which is **not** something I want to do! I am wondering if there is some open source technology that can help us My requirements 1. Send sms to a whole group, part of a group, or individually 2. Work on low end cell phones - ie no Internet plan or email 3. Does not require a lot of setup, either for me or for each person going. The people on the trip are not techies, but parents of 11-15 year old softball players (and the players as well). 4. Free, or really low cost as I only need it for ~10 days. I have a Debian server on Linode for our web site, so I could add some more software I thought of these ideas: 1. pass out a cell phone list to everyone. That solves individual sms messages, but not group/sub group messaging for those who don't have that on their phone 2. twitter - maybe a private group? I have not used twitter before, but I will have challenges getting everyone to sign up for an account. 3. some other sms micro-blog app on my own server? 4. Face to face communication.how old fashion! 5. Phone trees..from my experience, only works in an emergency. I am focused on sms only because it seems to be available to every player and parent on the trip. I am open to any other suggestions y'all may have! Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for Ideas to facilitate group communication on the road
My experience consists of someone on a team I work with signing me up and me getting text messages. So I don't know the details you are asking, just that our team has used the service very successfully. Alan On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Alan, I signed up for an account on belugapods - I used one email address and then added two others as members of a pod. I get messages to these email addresses. I don't see how to invite a cell # as opposed to an email address, and when I just type in my cell # instead of the email address, I don't get an error message, nor an invite, nor a message via sms. The help screens are not very...helpful..;-) Do you use this service? Any ideas on what I am missing? Thanks, Mark On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: http://belugapods.com/ While they showcase the iOS and Android apps, works fine with just a text messaging phone too. Alan On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: This group always has great suggestions for my odd requirements, so here I go again;-) My two club softball teams are going to out of town for nationals at the end of June (~26 families). (We might even make ESPN...) We need a way to send messages to each other, and as a group. Up to this point, I have been running a private group email list that everyone can use to send and receive emails for the group. But not everyone has Internet or email on their phone, so the group email list is not the best option for everyone. My android phone can send a text message to a group, so I can handle the issue of schedule changes. But, not everyone's phone on the two teams can send a group text, which makes those impromptu 'team lunch' difficult for someone in the group to schedule, unless I become the group sms operator, which is **not** something I want to do! I am wondering if there is some open source technology that can help us My requirements 1. Send sms to a whole group, part of a group, or individually 2. Work on low end cell phones - ie no Internet plan or email 3. Does not require a lot of setup, either for me or for each person going. The people on the trip are not techies, but parents of 11-15 year old softball players (and the players as well). 4. Free, or really low cost as I only need it for ~10 days. I have a Debian server on Linode for our web site, so I could add some more software I thought of these ideas: 1. pass out a cell phone list to everyone. That solves individual sms messages, but not group/sub group messaging for those who don't have that on their phone 2. twitter - maybe a private group? I have not used twitter before, but I will have challenges getting everyone to sign up for an account. 3. some other sms micro-blog app on my own server? 4. Face to face communication.how old fashion! 5. Phone trees..from my experience, only works in an emergency. I am focused on sms only because it seems to be available to every player and parent on the trip. I am open to any other suggestions y'all may have! Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
AZloco BigBlueButton usage?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: AZloco has set up a BigBlueButton ( http://bigbluebutton.org/ ) server ( http://azlocobbb.banditti.com/ ). This is pretty cool! I've been playing with BigBlueButton myself recently. I've been evaluating BBB and OpenMeetings for use as a communication tool for geographically distributed teams and for family conferences. What are the usage rules for this server? Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for Facebook App Developers
I know some local developer shops that can handle this, for pay. What sort of coder are you looking for? Alan On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Judd Pickell pick...@gmail.com wrote: While I can not speak to your particular situation, I would say that converting an existing app to be a Facebook app will be a uphill battle unless it was planned for the social requirements of a Facebook app in the first place. That is not say it can't be done, but the expectations of Facebook users will work against you if the core flow of the app doesn't accommodate it. Good Luck and let us know how it fares. I would offer more advice, but as my current employer also makes Facebook games I can not provide more then that. Sincerely, Judd Pickell --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for a C class
Maybe something from MIT? http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/ I'm too lazy to dig through the list for you but you have the incentive! Alan On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: I am looking for a C class that is data structures focused and not windows dominate. Suggestions? -- Sent from my mobile device --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Nice article on SSD partitioning for Linux
Interesting and logical. I followed some of the other links to articles and threads. The most interesting thing I saw was everyone talking about improved performance by following these ideas but no one posted any performance comparisons. Did I just miss them? Alan On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8397/?hq_e=elhq_m=1209744hq_l=12hq_v=eac08fc492 -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: email via linux?
All of the PLUG email lists are publicly archived. The plug-discuss list (this one) has a nice search engine front-end on it too. The others are kind of raw. For example: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-applications is the management interface to the plug-applications email list. Note the PLUG-applications archive link. See the same link for this list on http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss That the archive is public is not a hidden fact, but perhaps should be more explicitly announced. And I think it's safe to assume that any email list for a public group is publicly archived, just as the PLUG lists are archived. Alan On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: Maybe some of you know what is going on here? I Google my name and somewhere in Linux land some of my very old email showed up. It was old email that I sent to this group? How is this possible? I think that our email must be stored on some server somewhere? It was a big shocker, but now I am warned. Email never dies, it is out there. What do you think? Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Hosting for BigBlueButton?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Crawford Rainwater crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com wrote: Alan and company: Linux ETC also provide Big Blue Button hosted as well if you (or others) are interested. Feel free to visit our web site for some more details: http://www.linux-etc.com/web-conference I will also offer a discount for PLUG folks as well. If there are any questions, comments, or such on this topic by all means email me directly as well as the list. Regards, Crawford Rainwater Interesting offering, Crawford. Thank you for the time to reply and a discount offer to boot! I'll put you on my list of possibilities. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Hosting for BigBlueButton?
I could us some pointers to a hosting solution. Many of you might know the best way to get this going. I'd like to find a host provider for an instance of BigBlueButton[1] to use occasionally for family meetings. Below is what I imagine the need to be. Server: - A Ubuntu 10.04 virtual machine on a shared host -- 2GB of RAM -- 5GB disk space -- I have root access of the VM via ssh -- Access to the VM on port 80 from the Internet -- On this VM I would install BigBlueButton according to the project's easy instructions[2] Use: Once or twice a month 5-8 people would connect for an hour or two for discussion and chatting. Video (webcam) and audio (VoIP) capabilities of BigBlueButton would be actively used during these sessions. Bandwidth: The FAQ page for the project lists general calucations for bandwidth[3]. Based on that page and my suggested use model I think we would use about 300-480 kbytes/sec incoming and 900-2400 kbytes/sec outgoing bandwidth. Payment: Obviously no cost would be cool but not expected. What I'd like to do is pay-per-use. Schedule the meeting in advance and pay some reasonable fee for each time we use it. Existing Options: - Generic Conferencing[4] - Has a pay-per-month limited by number of attendees. Provides telephone dial-in too which probably adds to the price. No contract, so could work. - HostBBB[5] - Has shared hosts combined with CMS for $25 per month and $50 setup fee. Too much money and capability for what I want. - Self host at home - Would work fine once I have the box together. Violates my terms of use with my Cox cable, the main reason for finding hosting elsewhere. Can any of you recommend a solution from your hosting provider experiences? Maybe a standard hosting service with enough bandwidth would work? Alan [1] http://bigbluebutton.org [2] http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/InstallationUbuntu [3] http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/FAQ#Bandwidth_Requirements [4] http://www.genericconf.com/en/articles/domestic-web-conferencing [5] http://hostbbb.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Hosting for BigBlueButton?
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: http://aws.amazon.com/free/ Interesting! I had not thought of AWS. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Hosting for BigBlueButton?
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: http://aws.amazon.com/free/ Interesting! I had not thought of AWS. A little digging in the BigBlueButton email archives yields simple instructions on using AWS to host BigBlueButton. See the last post on this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/bigbluebutton-users/browse_thread/thread/f7a780bebff4990a I'm going to try this! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: web conference
Setup your own video and voice conferencing server. http://bigbluebutton.org is dead easy to set up. http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ is more manual to set up and I have not used it yet. Demo videos look nice. Either can handle simultaneous video and audio for up to 25 people, depending on your bandwidth and hardware. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software for lots of possibilities. Alan On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:22 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, a vendor wants to share a desktop with dial in for voice for some meetings. Said vendor is using gotomeeting which does not support GNU/Linux. I'm going to point out that deficiency and suggest we use a service that does work. Haven't needed to use web conferencing for a while. Any suggestions on what's good now? Lots of suggestions for DimDim, but it was purchased and is no longer available. I found suggestions for Yugma and Vyew, both claiming to support all 3 major desktop OSen. The source also says Zoho Meeting does, but since Zoho Meeting's site doesn't want to confirm that I'm ignoring it for now. WebEx is also out there and supports all 3 platforms. I believe GNU/Linux can not share the desktop, but that's fine in this particular case. In our case we'll have at least 3 people from the vendor and 3 people from my company in the meetings. We've been using[0] Skype for the calls, but the vendor would like something more reliable than Skype and would like to share presentations. I also need to find something other than Skype :). Yugma has a Skype plugin, but it looks like you can also call in to a conference bridge. That's sufficient. We don't need VoIP, but it would be cool if we could reliably use it. [0] For values of using that include 'reconnecting frequently due to technical problems'. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf - 2011Apr02 - Free Software for Free Enterprise # It is appallingly obvious that our technology exceeds our humanity. # -- Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: web conference
Can get bugbluebutton hosted too. Click on Support and scroll down. Alan On Mar 4, 2011 3:21 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 04. Mar, 2011 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: moin moin, Setup your own video and voice conferencing server. I do need to do that. Not for this instance, though. http://bigbluebutton.org is dead easy to set up. I forgot about bigbluebutton. I need to finally get to it. http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ is more manual to set up and I have not used it yet. Demo videos look nice. Page says it's available as a hosted solution as well. Hosted would be good as I can get vendor to pay for the service :). Bah, registration required. Demo registration get's an unknown error :(. Moodle video demo appears to be working. Whiteboard is, will try other components. Either can handle simultaneous video and audio for up to 25 people, depending on your bandwidth and hardware. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software for lots of possibilities. Thanks for the suggestions and links. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf - 2011Apr02 - Free Software for Free Enterprise # Fairy Tale, n.: A horror story to prepare children for the newspapers. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: recommend serial-to-usb adapter?
The Linux drivers for USB-to-serial converters are pretty robust now days. I have seen ones from Tripplite and others work well. Take care with your connection parameters, however. If you use software flow control (a.k.a. Xon-Xoff) and baud rate above 19.2K you will have issues with long data streams. It is as if the flow control is not fast enough through the driver layers and bytes will drop. This happens with a USB-to-serial converter on Windows, Linux or OSX. A way around it is to use correcting protocols like kermit for long transfers, if your target supports such. Alan On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Joseph King joseph.k...@joking.net wrote: Which brand did you try? I use a Keyspan converter, and although I haven't tried it directly from my Ubuntu VM, it works great with OS X... In Your Service, Joseph King http://www.linkedin.com/in/joking http://www.joking.net http://joking611.wordpress.com/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: recommend serial-to-usb adapter? I have a embedded ECU that I have to program and I have been doing it with an older laptop that still has a serial port. I would like to use one of my newer laptops but the last time I tried buying a serial-to-usb convertor at Frys Electronics I ended up with one that I just could not get to function in Linux. Can anyone recommend a brand or model to me and possibly a place that stocks such a thing? If it was local I would have better chance of returning it if it did not work. Thanks in advance. -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Caught this lead through Twitter. Tempe company Meltmedia has a full-time position for the right Front End Web Developer. I don't know them well but everything I've heard about Meltmedia has been good. Position description and applicaiton form are here: http://meltmedia.theresumator.com/apply/l29a7k/Front-End-Web-Developer.html I don't know any more detail than that and cannot put you on the inside track. Just passing along the link. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: rsync help the gramma
Do not think yourself stupid! I know software developers who are afraid of anything on a command line. The fact that you are using rsync is a long ways from anything close to stupid! Excellent work. Alan On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, betty nicepeng...@webcanine.com wrote: ok, great, so do i just do this; sto...@stormy-desktop:~$ rsync -avEHh /home/stormy/ /media/october or do i do this : sto...@stormy-desktop:~$ rsync -avEHh --delete-after --progress /home/stormy/ /media/october sorry to be so stupid, but i rely on you guys for this ;) thank you!! betty On 12/08/2010 08:32 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote: You're pretty close to ideal there. I use rsync -avEHh --delete-after --progress $SOURCE $DESTINATION Generally no need to sudo for your own homedir, and -z is really only useful for network copying (it compresses in-transit, not on disk). That will only copy over changes between the source and destination, and will remove anything in destination that's no longer in source. Make sure the external drive is formatted EXT3 or XFS so you can preserve things like access controls and ownership. When you look at the final output of the command, there's usually a ratio listed. That's the amount that could be copied vs. the amount actually copied. If that's much larger than 1, then you're only copying changes. ==Joseph++ betty wrote: I have an ext hdd that i copy my stuff to every few months. I think that i am copying everything all over again each time. What I'd like to do is just copy files that have changed. This is the command i have been using sto...@stormy-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -azvH /home/stormy/ /media/october please don't suggest that i use dd or whatever else there is because i am not good at trying new things. i think i'm doing a lot just to do the backup every few months. any rsync suggestions greatly appreciated. if i am already using the correct command for just copying things that have changed, please let me know. THANKS, Merry Christmas to all pluggers ! -- betty i. www.webcanine.com information for people who care for dogs. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Anyone know how to load DV from a Movie Camera over Firewire
Sorry, Mark. I have the configuration working on my Linux box and have not touched it in over a year. I am not aware of recent kernel or driver changes. I know and feel your frustration. I've been through similar DV issues before. :-| Alan On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: Well, the chroot lenny install was not able to access the firewire hardware. I tried a vm player version of lenny, and vmware is not able to access firewire. So, I am back to my amd64 machine trying to get the video off my camera. I see that raw1394 have been replaced in newer kernals. Some posts say it should not matter, and others disagree. Do you know of ither ways to grab DV from a camera? Google has not helped much in that regard. Thanks, Mark On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: I have always used Kino and the interface to dvgrab and other tools in my acquisition of video from my camera. I have not seen driver problems like you are describing. And yes, that does look like a driver problem to me. I was always on 32-bit Linux. It appears you are using 64-bit. Are there any problems with this difference? I just installed from the Debian repositories so I am not aware of any issues. I have a chroot lenny 32 bit installed, so perhaps I could try that. Just the command line dvgrab, and then move the files over to 64 bit land. Sorry, but at the moment I am out of ideas for you. So am I! ;-) Alan On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I have been trying to get dvgrab to work with my setup and I can't seem to get it to grab the video from my camera over firewire. It starts the camera says it is grabbing video, but never writes a file with the video to my hard disk. Running dvgrab as a normal user occaisionally gives me a segmentation fault. Even running it as root does not create an output file. A typical run: orca:/home/mark/Movies/Savage/clips# dvgrab -f dv2 foo- Found AV/C device with GUID 0x0800460102561c47 Waiting for DV... : damaged frame near: timecode ??:??:??.?? date .??.?? ??:??:?? This means that there were missing or invalid FireWire packets. ..quite a few of these as the camera starts and comes up to speed. Once the camera is up to speed, they stop. I assume (perhaps incorrectly?) that these are just due to the camera motor coming up to speed. After running for a minute and no error messages I hit ctrl-C and get this: ^C: 0.00 MiB 0 frames timecode 00:00:00.00 date 2010.12.05 09:10:52 Capture Stopped Warning: 151 damaged frames. I am running Debian testing amd64. Google gave me this tip: http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/grabbing-dv-from-a-video-camera-using-dvgrab-kdenlive/and followed those simple instructions. Still noo ouput file. Is the addition of the file raw1394.rules with the contents (*KERNEL==”raw1394″, GROUP=”video”*) to /etc/udev/rules.d necessary? I am trying to use Lives to edit the videos, but I can't even get past the command line usage of dvgrab! Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Anyone know how to load DV from a Movie Camera over Firewire
I have always used Kino and the interface to dvgrab and other tools in my acquisition of video from my camera. I have not seen driver problems like you are describing. And yes, that does look like a driver problem to me. I was always on 32-bit Linux. It appears you are using 64-bit. Are there any problems with this difference? Sorry, but at the moment I am out of ideas for you. Alan On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: I have been trying to get dvgrab to work with my setup and I can't seem to get it to grab the video from my camera over firewire. It starts the camera says it is grabbing video, but never writes a file with the video to my hard disk. Running dvgrab as a normal user occaisionally gives me a segmentation fault. Even running it as root does not create an output file. A typical run: orca:/home/mark/Movies/Savage/clips# dvgrab -f dv2 foo- Found AV/C device with GUID 0x0800460102561c47 Waiting for DV... : damaged frame near: timecode ??:??:??.?? date .??.?? ??:??:?? This means that there were missing or invalid FireWire packets. ..quite a few of these as the camera starts and comes up to speed. Once the camera is up to speed, they stop. I assume (perhaps incorrectly?) that these are just due to the camera motor coming up to speed. After running for a minute and no error messages I hit ctrl-C and get this: ^C: 0.00 MiB 0 frames timecode 00:00:00.00 date 2010.12.05 09:10:52 Capture Stopped Warning: 151 damaged frames. I am running Debian testing amd64. Google gave me this tip: http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/grabbing-dv-from-a-video-camera-using-dvgrab-kdenlive/and followed those simple instructions. Still noo ouput file. Is the addition of the file raw1394.rules with the contents (*KERNEL==”raw1394″, GROUP=”video”*) to /etc/udev/rules.d necessary? I am trying to use Lives to edit the videos, but I can't even get past the command line usage of dvgrab! Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: OT: Teaching at a CC
WARNING: Tangential comment ahead! On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: ... I loved my time in the classroom, interacting with the students. Hated all the rest. The only way I for one would ever consider going back to it would be as a retirement, get out of the house once or twice a week kind of situation. For Lisa sugar coated the nightmare of politicking at a modern college. I was offered by a major university (Regius University) to finish my degree and come teach for them, and understand its not as bad at that level, but choose the corporate world because it was so nasty at the CC. ... Ugh. nightmare of politicking nasty Makes me sad. Another reason our current education system needs to change. http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: A survey engine?
I'm in Desert Code Camp right now. So far so good. Sorry I won't see you here this time. I'm out to do an internal survey on a project just finishing. - Anonymous respondents - Brief - Must be internal because of corporate policy - May grow into subsequent similar surveys but want to start simple with that growth possible. I'll look at Web_Survey as an add on to Mod_Survey. Some of the other more complex or feature rich answers are too much for this need. Start simple is my goal. Can't use the outside services. They may be privacy safe but the company deals in stuff that must stay absolutely private. By policy we don't use outside services for company business. Thanks for the comments! Alan On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Hi Alan, How was DesertCodeCamp.com this year? pout I had to work! On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the replies. I had forgotten about freshmeat.net. They have several possibilities. http://freshmeat.net/search?q=surveysubmit=Search I installed Mod_Survey before leaving the office. I'll look at it in more detail on Monday. Yes. mod_survey is incredibly easy: Since it's perl, you WILL have to build everything. Since it's perl, you GET TO build everything. Be sure to get Web_Survey, an adjacent tool: Web_Survey is a set of PHP scripts for managing populations and samples, contacting respondents via email, and keeping track of answers. Web_Survey does not have its own home page, but the latest tarball can be downloaded here. Web_Survey is developed by Mirko Pace Other disadvantages of mod_survey include: It's shell code; therefore not really complete;secure (but you can layer on authentication) I still question your assumption that you can't use an online survey tool like surveymonkey or os http://www.surveymonkey.com/ http://www.hostedsurvey.com/information-technology.html http://Zoomerang.com http://www.novisystems.com/Survey-Software-Price.aspx Not Free $15.00 - $350 a month My Google.com search was very profitable (don't know what you were surfing for?)! And the list IS extensive. Commercial: .Net: http://www.classapps.com/ http://www.surveysaid.com/Survey_Said/Home.html php based: http://www.chumpsoft.com/products/phpq/features/ [includes mail and export to cvs, html, etc] (way better than perl's mod_survey, since it just installs and you use it!) WORTH the $ (although the interface is not pretty). Free: LIMESURVEY: LimeSurvey is a PHP survey software to create online surveys. Features open/closed surveys, branching, participant administration, quotas, WYSIWYG HTML editor, email invitations reminders, assessments, basic statistics and more. http://www.limesurvey.org/download http://sourceforge.net/projects/limesurvey/files/1._LimeSurvey_stable/ http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php?page=LimeSurvey+2.x+Installation Limesurvey is about as good as it gets, BTW. It's php and can use MSQL, MySQl, or Postgresql. It is also secure, with no current known exploits (1.52 has a remote code execution issue). http://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=searchfilter_page=1filter_description=surveyfilter_exploit_text=limesurveyfilter_author=filter_platform=0filter_type=0filter_lang_id=0filter_port=filter_osvdb=filter_cve= Don't forget about Drupal plugins, Joomla modules, Wordpress mods, etc. Gee these CHAT BOTS look fun also: http://www.alicebot.org/non.html Alan On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sometimes thing are elusive. I tried php survey software on Google and found some free stuff. I have no idea what any of this is or if it is of any value. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: A survey engine? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:51 PM Hey, I have a question that Google is not helping to answer. I get so many hits on the terms and I have not been able to find the right combination to weed out the hits I don't want. So, I'll ask you, the wonderful PLUGgers! I want to do an anonymous survey within our company. Because the questions are specific to our work, I can't use Survey Monkey or Google Docs, which would be really easy. Instead I need to do something like that on an internal server. I'm the admin for two servers so can install and run whatever I need on either of these boxes. I am not finding a ready-made survey engine. Google falls down when doing searches, giving results of surveys, online survey services or online surveys to take. Do any of you know of a survey engine I can install on a Linux web server, input the questions and have people respond? (This should be easy but finding it is taking lots
A survey engine?
Hey, I have a question that Google is not helping to answer. I get so many hits on the terms and I have not been able to find the right combination to weed out the hits I don't want. So, I'll ask you, the wonderful PLUGgers! I want to do an anonymous survey within our company. Because the questions are specific to our work, I can't use Survey Monkey or Google Docs, which would be really easy. Instead I need to do something like that on an internal server. I'm the admin for two servers so can install and run whatever I need on either of these boxes. I am not finding a ready-made survey engine. Google falls down when doing searches, giving results of surveys, online survey services or online surveys to take. Do any of you know of a survey engine I can install on a Linux web server, input the questions and have people respond? (This should be easy but finding it is taking lots of time!) Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: A survey engine?
Thanks for the replies. I had forgotten about freshmeat.net. They have several possibilities. http://freshmeat.net/search?q=surveysubmit=Search I installed Mod_Survey before leaving the office. I'll look at it in more detail on Monday. Alan On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sometimes thing are elusive. I tried php survey software on Google and found some free stuff. I have no idea what any of this is or if it is of any value. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: A survey engine? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:51 PM Hey, I have a question that Google is not helping to answer. I get so many hits on the terms and I have not been able to find the right combination to weed out the hits I don't want. So, I'll ask you, the wonderful PLUGgers! I want to do an anonymous survey within our company. Because the questions are specific to our work, I can't use Survey Monkey or Google Docs, which would be really easy. Instead I need to do something like that on an internal server. I'm the admin for two servers so can install and run whatever I need on either of these boxes. I am not finding a ready-made survey engine. Google falls down when doing searches, giving results of surveys, online survey services or online surveys to take. Do any of you know of a survey engine I can install on a Linux web server, input the questions and have people respond? (This should be easy but finding it is taking lots of time!) Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: What's the easiest-to-use video editor?
I can provide some of my own experience here. First off, some of those on the list Synaptic creates are not what I would call video editors, though they may have excellent other uses. Here are the ones I have used or played with: avidemux Great quick and dirty editor for simply cuts, appending videos together, resolution transformations, format translations and audio extraction. Not very good at titles and the like though it has some of that ability. When I want to do a quick cut or translate from one encoding to another, this is what I use. cinelerra Very complex, high end, high control. If you use this make sure you have lots of RAM, CPU and monitor space. I've not used it much because it's overwhelming in capability. Probably great for professionals or someone who likes lots of control. kdenlive Very promising application. Looks and feels similar to Apple's iMovie. Should be a good amateur editor if it would be stable. About 9 months ago when I tried it crashes were common. Could have been my video driver or something so your mileage may vary. kino Great for extracting raw digital video from your camera if that is what your camera creates. OK with basic cuts and title screens but the interface is pretty technical instead of user friendly. Still use it for capturing from our old camera but then edit the video elsewhere. Has improved by leaps and bounds over the past couple of years. openshot I've only played with this one but looks really nice. Similar to kdenlive and seems to target the same capability level. Did not crash a lot but have not used it much yet. I think this one has a photo slideshow maker where you just point it at a directory of photos and it builds the video for you. For the uses requested, kdenlive and openshot are probably what you are looking for, assuming they work well for you. Alan On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd like to piggyback on this one. I recently bought a camera with the intention of creating YouTube videos. I was going to use the windows movie maker, however now I'm wondering if Linux might have something better. I'm thinking I will need to take an audio recording and apply some photos to make a video, add a graphic to the start and end of an actual video and apply a logo and website address to the entire video. I need something easy to use. I don't intend on becoming a film maker however if there are advanced tools I'd be interested in hearing about them. Thanks! Keith Smith --- On Mon, 11/8/10, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: What's the easiest-to-use video editor? To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:25 PM . What is the easiest-to-use video editor? On my system, Synaptic lists more than a dozen different video editors that are available, only one of which shows as being installed, called mjpegtools ... but I can'y find it or how to start it. Among the others that appear as available to install are these: avidemux (plus a command line 'cli' option) bombono-dvd cinelerra dvd-backup fotowall gjacktransport gnonlin jahshaka kdenlive kino lives mlt mythtv openmovieeditor openshot pitivi wmwebcam I've read the Synaptic short descriptions for each of these, but can't figure out which one or two might be the best to try. All I want to do is to be able to import mp3 videos, cut out unwanted portions from the beginning, middle, and end to make them each one shorter, and then combine two or more into a single video. Also, I'd like to be able to add a title and perhaps captions to some segments; perhaps add or replace an existing audio track; and convert to whatever would be the most disk-space efficient format(s) for viewing either on youtube or as an embedded video on my website. What would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: PLUG-Security List Removed Now?
The DNS was not down. Please note: Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: plug-secur...@lists.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-secur...@lists.phoenix.az.us The correct address is plug-secur...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us. Lisa just got the address wrong the first time by forgetting the .plug. in the middle. No fault of Deru, or DNS or the server or administration. Just a typo. It happens. Alan On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com wrote: Please don't post wild conclusions, the plug-security list has existed for more than a decade and has almost 300 people signed up for it. There is no way we would remove it. You simply fell victim to a DNS outage. Hopefully we will be moving the DNS to our own servers soon, as the service we have been getting from DERU, where our servers are co-located, has been top notch, and we have never had any problems with it at all. Once we have the DNS hosted with them, I expect to never have any unexpected down time again. Brian Cluff On 09/29/2010 10:46 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Unfortunately, Someone has removed the mailing list after we announced we were using it. They gave us no notice it was gone. It was PLUG-Security and there were more than a few people signed up to use it. It has been removed now? Not sure why. Perhaps we need to move to a better hosting solution? I have more than enough disk space on my GoDaddy virtual host? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com mailto:mailer-dae...@googlemail.com wrote: Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: plug-secur...@lists.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-secur...@lists.phoenix.az.us Technical details of permanent failure: DNS Error: Domain name not found --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: elevators and sw raid
Maybe http://www.otisworldwide.com/ ? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Side track: What does the word elevator mean in the context of RAID? Alan On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Is there a particular elevator that generally works best with software raid-1? (More generally, what is the relationship, if any, between elevators and sw raid?) -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: elevators and sw raid
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Maybe http://www.otisworldwide.com/ ? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Side track: What does the word elevator mean in the context of RAID? Ha! In the linux kernel, the I/O scheduler is referred to as the elevator. It can be set to one of 4 values in the 2.6 kernel using the elevator= kernel parameter at boot time. Each block device's scheduler is determined by the value in /sys/block/device/queue/scheduler $ cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] You can change a device's elevator on the fly by doing: # echo deadline /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler I'm just wondering which value gives the best performance when using software raid-1, or if the choice depends more on the type of load that's being processed. Thank you, Eric. I did not know about that kernel setting. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need a mail app for LARGE volumes of mail...
I don't have an answer to your main question, just questions. In your original post you stated: And it has to allow streaming it all in continuously. We're talking about almost 6gig. These requirements are not clear to me. Do you have 6gig total in you archive/local store? Or you get 6gig streaming in per day or some other time frame? Or something else? Streaming continuously is not possible for a traveling laptop unless you keep it turned on and connected to the Internet 24/7, which seems unlikely. So what do you mean by streaming continuously? Email clients are intended to provide an interface for a human to read and mange emails. It seems to me that such a huge volume of email is not human readable anyway, especially if you are getting 6gigs per day or even a fraction of that. Maybe you need some sort of email server on your laptop that pulls the emails into a local real database, like MySQL or Postgres and a database application interface into that. Depending on what you need to do, of course. Just as hauling rock with a Mini Cooper does not make sense, handling that much email with a standard client seems a mismatch to me. Alan On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: My sole computer is a laptop. I travel a LOT. Right now I'm five days into a week-long trip, writing this from a Motel 6 in Globe of all places, for a visit with their elections office tomorrow AM. That doesn't sound like a good situation for using a server? What if it goes down while I'm out? I'd be completely hosed... Jim On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Jim March wrote: I've been using GMail through the web interface. I've just realized it's dropping data. It lost something important and I can't have that. I'm going to have to suck it all down locally. I need a mail client that will handle massive piles. And it has to allow streaming it all in continuously. We're talking about almost 6gig. Thunderbird emphatically won't cut it. Dunno about Evolution but I suspect not. I'm on Maverick. I have enough embedded graphics/PDFs/etc. to deal with that I need something GUI vs. terminal interface. Any clue what I should try? Jim I think you need a personal mail *server*. I recommend http://qmailtoaster.com/. QMT is robust, very reliable, has good community support, and is being continually improved. I've been running QMT since '06. The first one started on a PII-266MH/512MB/80GB machine, which I expect would still suffice for your needs, although more CPU wouldn't hurt. I have seen 6-7G per account on one of these, using IMAP for access (dovecot on the server side) with absolutely no problems (MS Outlook has a 2G limit, not surprisingly, but I doubt that applies to you). You can configure fetchmail with it to grab your gmail, or whatever other accounts. Then you can comfortably use whichever client you like, and more than one at the same time. Since the mail's on the server, when you change something with one client, all clients see the change. You can even use a blackberry (or whatever mobile device w/ internet access) to access your mail. Webmail (squirrelmail, with horde coming soon) is included as well. Let me know if you'd like any help with QMT. I've been active in that community since I started using it. If anyone would like to build a QMT, that can easily be done at an InstallFest. It would take just a couple hours. Please send an email to installf...@plug.phoenix.az.us if you're interested. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Operation (by root) not permitted
You are attempting to change Linux style group settings on files in a vfat file system. That will not work. The vfat file system does not have a way to set or change group ownership. The error message is not worded very well. It should say something like Cannot set group ownership in vfat (FAT32) file system Alan On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com wrote: Hiya, Okay, I'm baffled. What in the Ubuntu 9.07 is going on here? # uname -a Linux BlueBeast.localhost 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux Logged in as root I've edited /etc/fstab. I want the /Meta vfat partition completely open (unlocked). # cat /etc/fstab # /Meta was /dev/sda5 UUID=45F2-140B /Meta vfat utf8,users,noauto 0 1 # mount /dev/sda5 on /Meta type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8) # cat /etc/mtab /dev/sda5 /Meta vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8 0 0 # ls -al drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 1969-12-31 17:00 Meta # chgrp -hR users /Meta chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/Linux/TextTest.txt': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/Linux': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/TextTest.txt': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxMint.jpg': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxFedora.jpeg': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxSuSE.jpg': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.53-pkg1.run': Operation not permitted chgrp: changing group of `/Meta': Operation not permitted I can not figure out what in Ubuntu (Mint 7) stops root (#) from assigning permissions here. Can you? This vfat partition was created in SuSE 9.3 and used mkdosfs to create the file system. /Meta is a common mount point (folder?) for multiple of my Linux distros. But it's getting harder to use. As root, it functions okay (mostly) as a common data folder. I want to give access to all users of any current-booted Linux. In SuSE 10.3 the process required a new /etc/fstab entry followed by the chgrp command as above. But in Ubuntu, I'm a bit lost. Here I can see a disagreement between /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab that I can't reconcile. It may be a while before I can return to the PLUG mail list. So be patient with me. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Compact Flash cards
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Which by the by for those that don't know. gdisk and gnu Parted are the only partitions you can use on SSD/GPT drives or you destroy the block/geometry mappings. There are no such thing as logical/extended partitions on them, everything is primary. YOU MUST after setting the GPT mapping for the MBR set up a min 1MB empty partition, no filesystem, flagged as bios_grub or ee, kinda like the 82/83 schema. GRUB 2 is best on these devices and grub.org recommends strongly using a separate /boot, be prepared with a Super Grub2 Disk just in case. After that you are set as normal with your favorite distro. What does GPT mean? The SSD should not care about what partitioning tool is used. So, at the moment, I am confused about your statements above. Maybe I don't understand something. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Compact Flash cards
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:48 PM, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote: GPT disk A GPT disk uses the GUID partition table (GPT) disk partitioning system. A GPT disk offers these benefits: • Allows up to 128 primary partitions. (MBR disks can support up to four primary partitions and an infinite number of partitions inside an extended partition.) • Allows a much larger volume size - greater than 2 TB, which is the limit for MBR disks. • Provides greater reliability due to replication and cyclical redundancy check (CRC) protection of the partition table. • Can be used as a storage volume on all x64-based platforms. Very interesting. Thank you. You stated: gdisk and gnu Parted are the only partitions you can use on SSD/GPT drives or you destroy the block/geometry mappings. Is the destruction of the geometry mappings a bug in other tools or a side effect of using GPT or what? I'm trying to understand how the drive would allow an outside tool to muck about in it's mapping data. In general, such data is simply not available to outside tools. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Can the old VisiCalc run on linux?
VisiCalc works just fine under dosbox. www.dosbox.com Alan On Aug 27, 2010 12:29 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Can the old VisiCalc run on Linux? The old original VisiCalc had some advantages in simplicity over the new huge and complex openoffice spreadsheet. Is there a simpler alternative available? The old original VisiCalc is available at the following link: www.danbricklin.com/visicalc.htm But the download is to be renamed VC.com and is supposedly only available to run by opening it with M$ exploder (which I do not have or want). Anybody know of any other options? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Can the old VisiCalc run on linux?
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:29 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Anybody know of any other options? Here is a page of all sorts of spreadsheet information: http://linuxfinances.info/info/spreadsheets.html And this Google hit is a nice thread on some options: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=89747 Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Embedded System Driver Testing
That sounds like a fun project! I think your first questions to answer are more architectural rather than programming practice. If your company has done this sort of thing before, they probably have expectations as to what the drive interface will look like, performance, delivery, test frameworks and so on. If not, you need to create all that with the help of the people who will be using your driver. Is it just you working on this as part of a larger project? Alan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: My application is slightly different. I am the hardware engineer designing the embedded chip. I am tasked with writing the sample driver source code for others within my company. The platform is a microcontroller similar to Qualcomm's Snapdragon sans the CMDA engine. That book does look appealing. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: There are books, volumes even, written about embedded development and drivers specifically. An appropriate response is not possible without more details of you project. Also, most chip makers provide sample driver source code, etc. that can be used as a basis for your own code. Or, at least, they have extensive command specifications, etc. I don't think you'll really need to write drivers for _everything_. I'm currently reading this excellent book on the subject, from a TDD perspective: http://www.pragprog.com/titles/jgade/test-driven-development-for-embedded-c If you want more answer than this, please describe your goals and hardware with more detail. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Embedded System Driver Testing
Very cool! We'll have to compare notes sometime. The author is very responsive to feedback and questions. Alan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: I bought the TDD for Embedded C book. Eric --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Embedded System Driver Testing
There are books, volumes even, written about embedded development and drivers specifically. An appropriate response is not possible without more details of you project. Also, most chip makers provide sample driver source code, etc. that can be used as a basis for your own code. Or, at least, they have extensive command specifications, etc. I don't think you'll really need to write drivers for _everything_. I'm currently reading this excellent book on the subject, from a TDD perspective: http://www.pragprog.com/titles/jgade/test-driven-development-for-embedded-c If you want more answer than this, please describe your goals and hardware with more detail. Alan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am starting a project that requires me to write all hardware drivers for an embedded system. Has anyone done this type of development? Any lessons learned? Any good resources out there for testing, static analysis, etc? Thanks, Eric --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gangplank
Gangplank is an awesome place for creativity, knowledge sharing and the spirit of entrepreneurship. I go there as often as possible. They are creating some amazing things to expand their support of the community. Give them a few more months when the classrooms and other things open up! That said, I'm lucky to be there about twice a month, to a lunch time brown bag presentation or another event. I have been spending most of my free time on the team running the Phoenix Scrum User group (http://phxsug.org) and helping with the Ignite Phoenix (http://ignitephoenix.com) events. Some amazing people in those communities! Metro Phoenix is really cranking with energy these days! Alan On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting place. I live down on Riggs Road and find most of the Metro area out of reach. I would like, on occasion, to attend the PLUG and AZPHP meetings. I'm wondering if there would be any interest, after the new year, for some PHP folks to meet at Gangplank on a regular basis. For me the regular meeting held by AZPHP are too far away. Keith Smith --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Gangplank To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 1:58 PM Forty, the ad agency uses at least 2 tables there. Eric On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=catber...@hotmail.com wrote: When I am between gigs (consulting, employee, whatever), I sometimes go down there to work on my own stuff and it is exactly like that. You visit, pick a free spot and do whatever. I don't interact all that much because I just crank on my own projects but the space is very cool and comfortable... the vibe is a bunch of technology people doing interesting stuff. Everyone that I have met and spoken with was very nice and welcoming. I even caught a few of the lunch time presentations that were pretty thought provoking. It is shared space with some real companies nestled in there too so it is a real work space. It is worth the visit. Hope that helps! Ed Knapp -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:08:28 -0700 From: klsmith2...@yahoo.com http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com Subject: Gangplank To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Lisa mentioned Gangplank in her email, which got me to thinking. I read about Gangplank last year some time. I have wondered about such an environment. I seem to recall it was said to be a free place to work. Bring your laptop and find a place. It was described as a place to connect with other techies. Is this the case? Have any of you spent time there? Any feedback? Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.usTo subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Android phone and linux computer
My Android phone connects to a computer by USB cable. When connected, an alert pops on the phone screen to mount (it literally uses that word) the phone as a storage device on the computer. This mounts the phone's micro-SD card as a USB drive for the computer to read and write. Easy. Alan On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: I would like to purchase an Android Phone but I am not clear if I can connect it up to my Ubuntu computer. Is anyone using an Android phone and transferring files from their lunix computer and phone. Thanks for your answer. Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Android phone and linux computer
I have the My Touch from T-Mobile. There are tethering apps that don't require root access to your phone. They use the USB cable connection. One called EasyTether has Linux support. Works great with Jolicloud and Kubuntu. Alan On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: i just bought a droidX to do this very same thing. so yeah it can. sadly you cant get teh same tethering features on some of them, but im hopeing the droidX will (untested) On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: I would like to purchase an Android Phone but I am not clear if I can connect it up to my Ubuntu computer. Is anyone using an Android phone and transferring files from their lunix computer and phone. Thanks for your answer. Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: UG News: Processing and Arduino in Tandem--New Course from O'Reilly
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Re: two i-openers for free..
I remember these. And remember wanting one. Do you have any of the special IDE cables and other hacking pieces? Alan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Michael March mma...@gmail.com wrote: I just found that I have to i-openers. If you remember they were the state-of-the-art in Linux hackable devices back in 1999. If anyone wants one or both, let me know. -- admiral --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: [HSL] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG)
Forwarding a cross post. Looks interesting if it interests you. ;-) Tried to post to plug-devel but it doesn't like my email address. Shrug. Alan -- Forwarded message -- From: Will Bradley bradley.w...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM Subject: [HSL] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG) To: heatsyncl...@googlegroups.com Cross-posting from Refresh Phoenix, in case anyone is interested in coding Google integrations. -- Forwarded message -- From: MSW mwolf...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:44 PM Subject: [refresh-phoenix] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG) To: Refresh Phoenix refreshphoe...@googlegroups.com We have formed a local chapter of the Google Technology Users Group. What is a GTUG? Google Technology User Groups (GTUGs) are user groups for people who are interested in Google's developer technology; everything from the Android and App Engine platforms, to product APIs like the YouTube API and the Google Calendar API, to initiatives like OpenSocial. Check out code.google.com for the full list of offerings. The Phoenix GTUG is targeted towards developers whose focus is on computing in the cloud. The primary focus will be on Google's developer technology products; these can include (but are not limited to): Android, App Engine, Chrome, Google Web Toolkit (GWT), and product APIs (such as Maps, YouTube or Calendar). The focus of our group is not limited to Google products explicitly, but anything that enables using the internet effectively. Please subscribe to our mailing list, to be included in future announcements, and discussions: http://groups.google.com/group/phoenix-gtug You can find information on our website: http://phoenix.gtugs.org/ Meeting schedule: Our meetings will occur on the 3rd Wednesday of every month, with the first meeting scheduled on September 15, 2010 (starting at 6:30 with free Pizza; presentation will start at 7:00). Location: Maricopa Community Colleges SBDC 2400 North Central Avenue, Suite 104 Phoenix AZ 85004 We look forward to growing this group, into another great resource for the Phoenix technical community. Please forward this announcement to anyone who might be interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Refresh Phoenix group. To post to this group, send email to refreshphoe...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to refreshphoenix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/refreshphoenix?hl=en. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: My email address change.
I apologize for this off-topic post. Seemed the best way to reach the most possibly interested parties. I'll be brief. I have changed my email subscription address in this and other PLUG lists from ala...@consultpros.com to my GMail account. Please use the aday...@gmail.com account when you need to reply to me. My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: My email address change.
I thought about that, Joe. It's not that important to me. Someone else replied off list with an offer to forward email addresses for me. I'm fine with that situation and will proceed to do that with them. Alan On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Perhaps you should offer it for sale, Alan. It's a really good domain name. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: WINE ON KEYBOARD
Follow these ideas AT YOUR OWN RISK. - Take apart the notebook enough to remove the keyboard. - Wash the keyboard in warm water. - Dry the keyboard in the AZ sun for a day, maybe two. Longer if not in the sun. - The keyboard must be completely dry before reconnecting. Are you sure it is dry? - Re-install the keyboard and hope it now is clean and works. Or, instead of all that, buy a replacement keyboard from eBay or a repair shop. Alan On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a laptop and wine was spilled on the keyboard. Now it won't type usually and when it will it doesn't type with any sense... usually keys stick. Any ideas on what to do to fix it? If I remember correctly we already discussed this and the decision was that the computer was hosed. Or was it that it needed to be immersed in hot water? Any pointers are appreciated! -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: WINE ON KEYBOARD
To a search on your specific model. For example: disassemble toshiba A135 gets me a photo based, step by step disassembly instructions for my now dead laptop. Alan On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote: From: Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com Find the Fine Manual for that machine first. WHERE would I find this manual? Manufacturer's website would be the first place to look. All the IBM laptops I've ever owned had a Field Circus Manual available in the bowels of their website somewhere. The important keywords are $MODEL and service manual, since the general user manual will probably be completely useless. Dull also had manuals available, though these were less good than the IBM manuals. (This should not surprise you.) I don't know about other makes. This is where you get to find out :-P Good luck! -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: O'Reilly UG News: Ebook Special: Buy 1, Get 1 Free - Buy 2, Get 2 Free...
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PLUG Steering (Was: Re: hey jmz! (and the rest of you guys!) :))
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: just found your blog man (I was trying to locate when plug was officially founded). I noticed that you mentioned: Some claim that there is a Steering Committee associated with PLUG, however the names of the members of this group have never been released to the public. - PLUG has a Steering Committee. - The names of the members of this committee have been released to the public and often. -- At one time we had a page on the web site about the organization of the group. As author of that page, I know the names of the Steering Committee members were on that page. I don't think that page exists anymore, lost in the transitions to new CMS iterations. -- When I led the PLUG Developer Meeting, I would regularly describe the Steering Committee and name it's members as part of the meeting introduction. I would do this even if only one new person was attending. - The names of the committee members have been published in this list incidental to other discussions, I'm sure. Though I'm not going to go hunt the archives. - Members: -- Hans Krugeler (sorry about the spelling) is the Chairperson -- Alan Dayley (I am nearly inactive, as you may have noticed) -- Brian Cluff -- Joseph Sinclair We had a three other members who have moved away but provided excellent support for group activities during their time with the committee. I can conform that there was in fact a steering committee (I should know, I was on it). I have long since forgotten the names of the others on it. The committee was disbanded shortly after the members agreed to a base set of rules to found plug as a 'semi professional community oriented Linux users group. OK. I joined PLUG in May, 2000. It has a Steering Committee then and has had one continuously to today. Maybe you are referring to pre-2000 time. Confession: The current truth is that the Steering Committee is semi-active. I have mostly moved on to other community groups (Ignite Phoenix, Gangplank events, Phoenix Scrum User Group). Others have been busy with many things. From my point of view, the Steering Committee needs to become more active again. I am not the one to drive that as I have my free time focus elsewhere. That founding occurred back in mid 1998. most of the list didn't start getting seriously archived until early 1999. I understand it was founded earlier than that, around 1996. Rusty Carruth was one of the original PLUG members. I work with him at my employment. I'll have to ask him Monday about the founding date. I kn ow Der.hans was pretty much in there from the beginning (you still on list Hans?). Hans is still around. He posts about meetings, etc. in this list quite regularly. He chairs bi-monthly PLUG planning meetings on IRC every other Sunday evening. He's still working for the group. I haven't seen any notices for a west side meeting in some time though (you still doing that tuna?). West side meetings now take place at DeVry University, when there is someone to make sure there is a speaker. They have not always been held every month of late because of a lack of a solid organizer. Hopefully that will change. Calls for west side speakers and meeting organizers go out every month, usually written by Hans. anyway, I thought I'd pop on list and remind you guys that some of us old guard are still about. Thanks! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: O'Reilly UG News: Attend Online Tutorials, Live from OSCON
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Re: ddrescue or dd_rescue?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Does anybody have a reason to recommend one over another? I once did, but I don't remember which one why... :( ET Maybe these pages give a starting place to answer your question: http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Dd_rescue Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: This GOT to be stupid... How do I do a GUI wireles scan in Ubuntu 10.04 ?
Check the section Using network-admin, the GUI Network Tool about a screen scroll down on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo Also, there should be an applet in the top or bottom bar to click and do wifi connections. I don't know GNOME well since I use KDE usually. But, something should already be there. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best domain registration renewal price?
namecheap.com - Many of my friends in the web business recommend them over anyone else. Not the least expensive but reasonable. easydns.com - NOT the least expensive. Stellar service and support. Can't say enough good about them. But they do charge more. I use easydns and godaddy. Godaddy is obnoxious and their admin interface is cuttered and ugly. But it has everything. Alan On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: I too use godaddy despite the numerous issues with the company I use them for almost everything - best service for the price, simple as that. But bomain costs are going up soon, by I think $2/year, so you may with to hurry and make that decision. If you are making a +$100 purchase (easy to do with just a few depending on length) and need a 25% off coupon let me know and will go digging to find one. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:29 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi Joseph, I think you have to think about who you want to be your registrar. I use Godaddy and the Godaddy (Wild West Domains) DomainsProcedRight.com for most of my domains. Last year as I was applying for a mortgage I got a letter from a collection agency stating I owed about $38 each for two domains I let expire. I paid it under duress because I wanted to buy a house. The registrar told me it was in their TOS that I had to cancel the domain, not let it expire. I think that was 11. I think I better take care of that soon! Domains have become important, at least for those who have a web presence. I do not trust any of the registrars. So it comes down to the best control panel if they are a few dollars apart. I like the Godaddy/WWD control panel. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 6/29/10, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com* wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: Best domain registration renewal price? To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:17 PM With several domain names soon coming due for renewal, I'd like to know who might be the best reliable low cost registrar for multi-year renewals. A search showed some advertised at $5.99, 6.99, and 7.99 per year, but when I called them those rates were no longer available. Most are $9.99, although Godaddy offers $8.99 per year for six or more domains or six or more years renewal. Does anyone know of a better option? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Job: Customer Engineer needed
We have an opening for a Customer Engineer. This person is the interface between first line tech support and the engineering department to solve the hard questions that come up. Please get details and apply through the following link: http://hiring.accolo.com/job.htm?id=250672523 Got questions? I'll answer what I can. Off-list please. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Breaking in to a Harddrive
If the hardware manufacturer implemented the ATA spec correctly, the password cannot be bypassed by any normal means. That is, after all, what the password is supposed to do. With special knowledge of the specific hard drive model, not just the manufacturer, the model and even the specific firmware, one can find where the password is stored and erase or nullify it. Oh, and you might need special equipment to get to that password on the platters. To put it another way, throw this hard drive away and go buy a new one. It'll be less costly of your time. Alan On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: Greetings All, So my dad bought a Hitachi Travelstar 5K100 and apparently the drive is password locked at a hardware level and requires some sort of voodoo to report back anything other than vendor data. Anyway I guess there is a byte code you send to the drive and then a password then you live happily ever after. Needless to say we don't have the password. I am sure there is data on the drive but none that we own so don't care if all data is lost. Looking for suggestions on breaking in or clearing the drive. Again total data loss is ok. Tried DD in case it was in the partition table and no dice.. -- James Finstrom --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT (or is it): Fw: The untold doomsday scenario in the Gulf
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:05:48AM -0600, j...@actionline.com wrote: Fw: The untold DOOMSDAY Scenario emerging in the Gulf . . .] snip of tons of apocalyptic crap. Is this list moderated? If so, how did this get through? This is list not moderated. Community discipline and respect keeps the content on topic. Or not. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Brother HL-2140 laser printer report
Our five(?) year old Canon i960 inkjet printer had finally gummed up so bad we have given up on it. So we went printer shopping this evening. We realized we rarely print in color and laser is so much cheaper per page. Fry's had the Brother HL-2140 laser printer for $59. It's a basic printer with three LEDs, one button and USB only interface (http://www.frys.com/product/5533900). Bought one, brought it home, inserted the toner cartridge, printed a self-test page and went looking for Linux configuration information. The page at http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2140 was very informative. The instructions in the last comment of that page are reproduced here: 1) Plug in the printer to the computer. Ignore all the prompts, hit cancel, etc. 2) Download the LPR and CUPS deb files from this link (or search for them on the site): http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/download_prn.html#HL-2140 3) sudo mkdir /usr/share/cups/model 4) sudo dpkg -i --force-all --force-architecture [the two debs you downloaded] THE FORCE SWITCHES ARE VITAL FOR 64 BIT MACHINES! 5)Profit. The printer should work and show up as HL2140. I was installing on a 32-bit Kubuntu 9.04 system. I did NOT use the --force-all --force-architecture options in step 4 above. I DID get great results with the printer working right away! Slick and smooth. Then, I used the printer configuration application to click a few check boxes so that the printer is shared on the local network. Then I grabbed my wife's MacBook running OS X 10.something, told it to find a new network printer, it found the laser printer and I from her laptop I printed wireless-to-wired-to-LinuxDesktop-to-HL-2140. Slick and smooth. Easy configuration and my wife is happy. I'm happy! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: Books and News from the O'Reilly User Group Program--June
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Interesting. And makes sense! http://mashable.com/2010/05/31/google-windows/ Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: UG News: *Free to Choose* Ebook Deal of the Day. Any O'Reilly ebook. Only $9.99.
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Re: UG News: *Free to Choose* Ebook Deal of the Day. Any O'Reilly ebook. Only $9.99.
I have not seen anything that indicates the UG discount is expired. But I have not tried the code in quite a while. I assume one can go through a purchase to see if the code works and then cancel before the transaction trigger point. Alan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: Has anyone used our 'DSUG' discount code on oreilly.com lately? I used that several times to get 40%, though I'm not sure it still works or not. alex On May 21, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: Looks like a good deal from O'Reilly. (Sorry for the HTML email. O'Reilly doesn't send these out in plain text anymore.) Alan -- Forwarded message -- From: Marsee Henon mar...@oreilly.com Date: Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM Subject: UG News: *Free to Choose* Ebook Deal of the Day. Any O'Reilly ebook. Only $9.99. To: ala...@consultpros.com If you cannot read the information below, click here. Free to Choose Ebook Deal of the Day – Only $9.99 Our Ebook Deal of the Day is so popular, we want to make sure you know about it, and give you the chance to choose. Download in 4 DRM-free formats: PDF, .epub, Kindle-compatible .mobi, and Android .apk. Learn more. Only $9.99. Choose any O'Reilly ebook from our list of over 2,000 titles. (Microsoft Press titles are excluded from this offer.) Enter code FAVFA in the O'Reilly cart. One Day Only: 5/21/2010 Spreading the knowledge of innovators oreilly.com You are receiving this email because you are a User Group contact with O'Reilly Media. Forward this announcement. If you would like to stop receiving these newsletters or announcements from O'Reilly, send an email to mar...@oreilly.com. O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 (707) 827-7000 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
Josh, This thread is not about immigration or the economy. Stop hijacking. Alan On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: here's a good place to start your research: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2 the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor. Many groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial. Despite this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL. The situation has progressed so much that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels entitled to American tax money. The ideology that they use to support this belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list appear to be in support of them. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.com wrote: The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10 years? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07 You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather. So yes, that kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you say loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the content in them. I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of this for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people of Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the enormous financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to taxpaying citizens. Similar sentiment is emerging in every state. Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some radical viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers. Some have become very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a completely different situation now*. There is no more funny money and no more credit. So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic. That will speak loudly to the people who want to hear. Im not interested in reaching people like you. Im quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue to disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and since you obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than anyone else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again have the opportunity to read any of your posts. Good bye, Joshua. Joshua Zeidner wrote: I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG. Economics effects Linux and Linux developers. These subjects are bound to come up, we live all live in Arizona. Secondly, I didn't know that you were an official on these matters. Trying to evoke political correctness might score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most certainly not with anyone I respect. So keep telling everyone how utterly intolerable and blasphemous these very important points are. Anyone with half a brain would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer. Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most likely an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the truth, or even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely dangerous in serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim fa...@cox.net mailto:fa...@cox.net wrote: And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN! There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the PLUG mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions should take place. If you choose to ignore the principles that this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away or you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large majority of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest technology discussions. I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue. If they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -
Re: Killing PLUG softly
Gentlemen, 1. This thread did NOT start out about immigration, etc. It was hijacked along the way. Please stop hijacking. 2. This list is not the place for this topic. Again, not the right venue. Please, take this discussion elsewhere. Alan On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:39 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 14:55, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.com wrote: So hatred towards a group of people is OK, but you draw the line at calling people out for it? Whatever. I never saw anyone demonstrate HATED towards anyone. I did see a few people calling out La Raza as a militant anti American group, complain about the negative impact that illegal immigration that they've observed, and provide references to support their opinion and to demonstrate how serious of an issue this is. If you're denying that illegal immigration is a drain on this state and many other parts of the country then you need to spend 5 minutes trying to see the whole picture. Please point out where you saw hatred and don't confuse opinions you disagree with with hatred. The real problem is that Mexico is a corrupt evil place in many ways and America does nothing except keeping that way. I am against ILLEGAL immigration and I think the Mexican people are terrific. I have 5 god children from two different families of 1st generation Mexican Americans and I've been to a LOT of large family events where 3/4 of the family there are here illegally. Illegal immigrants are treated like modern day slaves and in my opinion anyone that supports illegal immigration is as disillusioned and wrong as the people that supported slavery in the past. The ones that aren't treated like modern day slaves working normal jobs are working under stolen identities and victims of their crime have to fight with the IRS EVERY year to keep from paying taxes that aren't theirs (it is NOT a victimless crime). Others are in gangs, sell drugs, or steal things to make money. I've had dinner with these people; they're not bad people. But since they are here illegally it opens the door for other illegal activity though coercion (if you don't do this I'll turn you/your parents/cousin/etc into INS). Mexican gangs are serious. Our best friends moved to Az to get away from that culture because they wanted their three beautiful little girls to grow up free of that influence. It took awhile for them to open up about it but while they were in the Mexican gangs they committed murder, sold and did drugs, and stole cars and other things because it was that or fall victim to those same gangs. If you think I'm bullshitting you google LA whitefence to learn about the gang they moved here to get away from. It's just one of MANY gangs in LA. So back to my point.. just because people are anti illegal immigration doesn't mean they're racist or hate Mexicans or Mexico. You're obviously pro-illegal immigration; why? JD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Killing PLUG softly
I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be minimal. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main purpose of the community is drowning into the background is disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. Same with filters. - Flagging as OT is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time and smacks of babysitter-ism Do we really need to be forced into good manners? Really? This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux. Period. Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way. To continue all this discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core meaning of the group. Stop. Please. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
Thanks, Matt. I disagree. plug-discuss is the single most important communication channel for PLUG, bar none. The meetings are very important but the glue that holds the group together is this email list. It is, in my opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced other communication channels. So we are very dependent on this one email list to be the binder that holds Phoenix Linux people together. What makes a group? Communication, interaction, shared purpose, among other things. PLUG is not a legal entity with by-laws or money. There is no marketing budget. This list is it. OK, that sounds a bit dramatic, thinking to highly of PLUG's importance. But, take the this list away and the group will shrink to nearly nothing, if not die. I suppose that would not be a big disaster in the grand scheme of the world or even just Phoenix. But it would be a shame. Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM, matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: Allen, Its just email -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Killing PLUG softly I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be minimal. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main purpose of the community is drowning into the background is disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. Same with filters. - Flagging as OT is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time and smacks of babysitter-ism Do we really need to be forced into good manners? Really? This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux. Period. Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way. To continue all this discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core meaning of the group. Stop. Please. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
It's not: That we don't all have other things to talk about, that we aren't knowledgeable about other things, that I don't want to talk to many of you about many things, that I don't want to hear about immigration or taxes or whatever, that I can't handle hitting the delete key, that I disagree (or agree) about what is being said. I'm not saying any of those things are my issue with having a lot of off-topic discussions. I am saying that PLUG is not intended to be the forum for everything we could possibly talk about or debate. Doing so dilutes our ability to have specific meaning. It destroys our attraction to new members. It causes the group to loose relevancy. Taken to the extreme conclusion, talking about everything turns PLUG into just a club of people who like to talk about stuff. I can get that anywhere! What's hard to find is a clear, intelligent conversation around Linux/FS/OSS. I've tried to have such conversations at other technology events. Doesn't happen. And if it doesn't happen here, it will be lost to Phoenix. On the other hand, if we (the group) wishes to take the list in this direction, I am but one voice. Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all. Some people just want to reify the discussion because thats a very effective way to make it go away. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I get much good information from PLUG. I get good information from on-topic discussions and off-topic discussions. This is a community and we should talk about everything. Everything includes on and off topic things. We have the political debates once in a while but it always falls to the way side after things ccalm down. If you can't handle this community then find another one. I don't want to see you go but if you can't handle it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: Thanks, Matt. I disagree. plug-discuss is the single most important communication channel for PLUG, bar none. The meetings are very important but the glue that holds the group together is this email list. It is, in my opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced other communication channels. So we are very dependent on this one email list to be the binder that holds Phoenix Linux people together. What makes a group? Communication, interaction, shared purpose, among other things. PLUG is not a legal entity with by-laws or money. There is no marketing budget. This list is it. OK, that sounds a bit dramatic, thinking to highly of PLUG's importance. But, take the this list away and the group will shrink to nearly nothing, if not die. I suppose that would not be a big disaster in the grand scheme of the world or even just Phoenix. But it would be a shame. Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM, matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: Allen, Its just email -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Killing PLUG softly I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be minimal. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main purpose of the community is drowning into the background is disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. Same with filters. - Flagging as OT is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time and smacks of babysitter-ism Do we really need to be forced into good
Re: Killing PLUG softly
Desert Code Camp allows anyone to submit a topic to lead a one hour session about anything that has to do with coding. If someone submitted a topic to speak about building homeless shelters, is it wrong for the organizers to reject that submission? Why? Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM, matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: if you don't like what's being said don't read it, but don't censor your fellow plug members from debating. -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: registry cleaner
Let me just state what may be obvious. If one wants a good administration level Windows email list, one can just go to Google or Yahoo! or some other no cost group/email hosting service and create one. And then promote it among like minded people. PLUG should not do a Windows list, IMO. But there is very little barrier to anyone who wants to start one. Alan On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: In the past, I have seen several requests for a good Windows adm list, and not a lot of responses. If there is one, I would like to know about it for the 2 (out of 10 Linux) windows machines I have to work on occasionally. I have found lots of Windows lists, just nothing like the plug lists (not just in Phoenix, but around the country I have have found Linux groups to be very helpful and friendly. I am not sure what the cost is to administer a windows admin list.but would it be heresy for plug to set one up? There are a lot of really smart cross platform folks on this list, and many have been helpful to me in the past with the occasional OT request for windows help. Those of us who have a need could subscribe, and the rest don't have to. I think that might be a better idea than the OT or win tagI can readily understand that many on the list would not like to have the Linux stuff intermingled with Windows stuff. Of course, if there is a good adm level windows list that is as friendly and helpful as this list is for Linux folks, then no need for a new list. Just a referral. Mark On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ed p...@0x1b.com wrote: Mike, before any more flames break out, let me say I (some of my clients me) feel your pain. Most are moving up to Win7 with few problems. do we want to ask that, like ot, widows posts to the list use a [win] prefix for those that may want to filter? On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: Unlike some people on this list I too understand how you could associate so little with windows as to not have a support structure for it. Thus, this being your only geek forum, would ask a windows question here ;) Especially since there are a number of windows admins on the list. I recommend C Cleaner (As one of the few free, decent. ones out there) - You can see the Red Seven guys do a youtube vid on it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLRjpsrOIyQ Good luck :) And if you have any more windows question feal free to ask me off list. Or I will just toss out there - Can any one recommend a good windows admin list? - preferably an enterprise level one. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I got a big bad virus infestation and had to reinstall my xp system. BUMMER! Well, I need a registry cleaner and can't remember which one I had before. Could you all suggest one? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Job: EE needed
This just came through my work email, and I quote: We have another open req for an electrical engineer. Again, if you know any talented EE’s, please have them apply. http://hiring.accolo.com/job.htm?id=246102091 Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON)
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:43 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 16. Mär, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a specific signature. No signature, the binary will not run. This means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones. In other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the software. I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone except that they can only update it via official releases, which are slow coming. Do you mean the OS is TIVOized or also apps? Android Market is working and supposedly other apps will work as well. Official release from Mot or official android releases? Great questions to which I don't know the details. I have two friends who have the Cliq. Both of them complained that they could not go use unofficial builds of the OS and so were behind in the Android version they were running. So, I suppose that means the OS is locked. The apps, well, I don't know. If they are also signed and locked, Motorola would have to maintain a separate marketplace, which does not seem likely. How would it differ from other Android phones? Does HTC do it different for its branded Android phones? As far as I know all the HTC phones can be rooted and have the OS replaced entirely, should you want to do so. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: which t-mobile android phone?
I have a myTouch since November. I like it, though it is laggy sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much. If I were to buy now, I'd get a Nexus One. As you your requirements... - Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you replace the software with some other build. There are many out there and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the boundaries of support from T-Mobile. For you and many here on this list this is not a big problem. Just thought you should know the limitation. -- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to get the following features: . bluetooth tethering . ssh out . root access . play ogg-vorbis . ssh in across cell network . USB tethering . tetherable via wifi - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with any of the Android phones currently available: . tether and call at the same time . on phone internet connection and call at the same time . phone to phone communication via bluetooth . phone to phone communication via wifi . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV ) - For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know what to answer. All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email with your Google account. So if your GNU/Linux contact management can sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone. - The phone comes with three email apps: -- GMail is for your, um, GMail. -- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use this one for your own servers. -- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that way. -- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I can do them all in the GMail app. - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a specific signature. No signature, the binary will not run. This means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones. In other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the software. I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone except that they can only update it via official releases, which are slow coming. Alan On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet the following requirements? Required features: . bluetooth tethering . ability to turn off GPS if one is available . ssh out . bluetooth . connect to my own mail servers . root access . play ogg-vorbis . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux Desired features: . tether and call at the same time . on phone internet connection and call at the same time . ssh in across cell network . USB tethering . fully functional while charging . root access w/o jailbreaking . wifi . tetherable via wifi . phone to phone communication via bluetooth . phone to phone communication via wifi . GPS . camera and video . external storage card, prefer sdmc . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV ) Any features that I forgot? t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1. Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive. I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my wife. What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is the add on cost? . cell phone calling? . internet access ( not just web )? . tethering? . gps? I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it will. I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT, but as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT. Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost phone? This one just needs to be able to make and receive calls on the family plan. Receiving text messages on the family plan would also be good. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes http://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # Boredom is self-inflicted...der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: which t-mobile android phone?
I could be wrong or out of date with some of my information. Tethering is possible with http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php but requires a client on the computer and does not have a Linux client. And is not Free. Check the article and comments at http://lifehacker.com/5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone for more tether information. That Verizon advertises tethering is a surprise to me. Seems like T-Mobile better get on it! Two for one on the Nexus! Wish I needed one! Alan On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 16. Mär, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: I have a myTouch since November. I like it, though it is laggy sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much. If I were to buy now, I'd get a Nexus One. Yeah, for me I'm going Nexxus One or N900. As you your requirements... - Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you replace the software with some other build. There are many out there True, I guess I should've thought more about what I want from my phone and what I want from my wife's phone. Nexxus One and N900 hit all of my required features, don't they? and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the boundaries of support from T-Mobile. For you and many here on this list this is not a big problem. Just thought you should know the limitation. I appreciate you mentioning it. -- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to get the following features: . bluetooth tethering . ssh out . root access . play ogg-vorbis . ssh in across cell network . USB tethering . tetherable via wifi No tethering on the t-mobile phones? Verizon is advertising tethering up to 5 devices to a droid. I find it difficult to believe Verizon would be first to market with some customer service feature. - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with any of the Android phones currently available: . tether and call at the same time Hmm. I was told that's possible. . on phone internet connection and call at the same time Same here. . phone to phone communication via bluetooth . phone to phone communication via wifi . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV ) - For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know what to answer. All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email with your Google account. So if your GNU/Linux contact management can sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone. Um. No Google account. Well, OK, I now have one for work, so I'll get to use this, but that's not where my important contacts and preferences will be listed. - The phone comes with three email apps: -- GMail is for your, um, GMail. -- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use this one for your own servers. Cool. I will be testing this one :). -- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that way. And avoiding this one. -- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I can do them all in the GMail app. - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a specific signature. No signature, the binary will not run. This means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones. In other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the software. I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone except that they can only update it via official releases, which are slow coming. Very good to know. The Mot phones just dropped off the list. I specifically plan on not mucking with the software on my wife's phone, but that doesn't mean I won't want to do so some other time. I just learned that t-mobile is doing 2 for 1 on droid phones, so I'll have a spare droid anyway :). Thanks for the info!!! ciao, der.hans Alan On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet the following requirements? Required features: . bluetooth tethering . ability to turn off GPS if one is available . ssh out . bluetooth . connect to my own mail servers . root access . play ogg-vorbis . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux Desired features: . tether and call at the same time . on phone internet connection and call at the same time . ssh in across cell network . USB tethering . fully functional while charging . root access w/o jailbreaking . wifi . tetherable via wifi . phone to phone communication via bluetooth . phone to phone communication via wifi . GPS . camera and video . external storage card, prefer sdmc . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV ) Any features that I forgot? t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1. Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so deals don't matter and all phones
Re: Seeking tips for making/editing videos.
Joe, We recently purchased an HD video camera. We were looking for something not special, just usable. We got a Panasonic with a 10x zoom for recording our kids from far away. I think it was about $200. It works just fine for our use. The video looks fine on our 32 LCD. I don't know what formats are acceptable to Youtube. It's been some time since I've uploaded anything to them. Many camcorders have Youtube support built-in, whatever that means. Our new one even has that, though I've not explored how to use it. Alan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: . James Finstrom last wrote: I have played with most of the apps available and found OpenShot to be the best simple editor that does not require a degree to operate. Thanks James. Also would like to know what would be a good, reasonably priced camera recommendation to make videos. Some videos on Youtube (and elsewhere on the 'net) are excellent quality ... but many if not most are really poor quality. How much does one have to spend to get reasonably good video quality? And which of the myriad of video formats is the best to use? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re:
Python. python.org Python for Software Design: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ Go! Alan On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to learn to program. What is a good first language to learn? Could someone give me a place to d/l this language that also has instructional material? Another question I have is: my linux box is not connected to the web; is all I have to do is d/l the *nix version, save it to my flash, and move it over to the ubuntu I have -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
A programming language for learning (Was: Re: )
Every language has strengths and weaknesses. Some one wanted the strengths and so designed the language for that reason. Python is appropriate for many things and not appropriate for many others. So is any other language. Mike wanted a suggestion for learning a language. Python is an easy language to start with because: - the learner can see results quickly for encouragement. - there is an excellent community to support the learner. - there is a large body of libraries (modules) to add interesting functionality quickly. - there is a large body of documentation, tutorials, etc. available online and in print. Does using Python cause bad habits that may hinder the learner when attempting to use other languages or creating other types of programs? Probably, depending on the next language and application. The same can be said for any other programming language. For example, my career has mostly involved developing embedded executables in low resource environments. Only recently has any object-oriented compiler reached a point where coding such systems using OO principles makes sense. Sometimes, in low resource target environments, all kinds of taboo coding behaviors are necessary. So, if Python is not appropriate in your experience, which language or languages would you suggest for a first-time, self-learner? Why? BTW, there are several How to think like a computer scientist books, each centered on a different language. They are very good. So, if Python is not the one, go with Java or C++ (http://www.greenteapress.com/) Alan On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, now I know why it is so hard to hire people that are competent! Python is fun, not right, but fun... Thats your argument? If you want to know why we refuse to hire Python programmers at our company, I can give you real facts on why you should not use that language as a place to learn... Not opinions. Kevin Sent from my Nokia phone -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner Sent: 02/20/2010 4:17:23 PM Subject: Re: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM on the use of Python in for teaching programming. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017 sorry wrong link: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177 -jmz -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Python. Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at consistent use of object-oriented programming. If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing, especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular. Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you attempt C/C++. Whatever you do, Google x tutorial should bring up something good. In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly ( http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on the cover. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re:
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Vaughn Treude vltre...@deru.com wrote: On 02/20/2010 08:01 PM, keith smith wrote: I'm old school and would suggest learning plain old C. Then you can branch out to other languages. Keith Smith I second that. C is simple and versatile, and spawned off a whole family of other language such as C++ and Java. Vaughn Treude I would not describe C as simple. It is a small language (low number of reserved words and operators) but it's highly versatile nature and closeness to the hardware makes it very capable and dangerous. And so not simple, in my mind. It has been my bread and butter for 20+ years so I do love it. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best distribution for an infant :)
Suggestion: Don't give her a computer. The best form of education for any child or adult does NOT directly involve computers. She will have computers pushed upon her soon enough, no need to rush it. If you must, to keep her off your keys, just give her an old keyboard. Let her imagination provide the rest of the computer. Alan On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I have decided to give my daughter (who is not quite a year old) her own laptop (an old Sony I have in the garage). I am doing this because 1) I am tired of her sneak attaching me when I am working on my computers and think if she had her own it would help quell this. So far this has worked for books, magazines, etc. 2) I am tired of working with her with flash cards and would like some applications designed by educational professionals. 3) I want her to be interested in computers as something other then those forbidden objects that take all of daddy's time. Thus I want something a young child could learn how to use over the next few years. Any suggestions for distribution and applications. - Please only serious suggestions - Slackware need not apply --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
May I just say to everyone warming up your keyboards: Stay calm! Be factual! Seek to understand and educate. Alan On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
Just a request to keep the conversation civil. Frank's comments could draw strong statements and feelings. This is an unmoderated, open email list. I don't have the power to moderate or ban anyone. Alan On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I guess we can call this preemptive moderation? -jmz On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: May I just say to everyone warming up your keyboards: Stay calm! Be factual! Seek to understand and educate. Alan On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: message from Microsoft
I'm confused. Re-read the message but substitute Red Had Certified Engineer or Red Hat Partner everywhere it says Microsoft? Is it still a bad message? If not, why not? Alan On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: I got this message (on LinkedIn.com): http://partner.linkedin.com/2010/01/linkedin-partner-message-from-microsoft-12/?n=4d696b65 It has also been archived here: http://www.webcitation.org/5muPL2hYq so that even if the original one gets deleted, or disappears behind a paywall or something, that archived copy should still be available. No comment needed on why (or, let's say, whether) Microsoft's way of doing business strikes me as unpleasant. Their message speaks for itself. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Open-Hardware-Centric Group Forming in the Valley
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:31 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 10. Jan, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: The reality is that there are now a great many different groups and events in the Phoenix valley. Each of them could attract the some of the same sorts of people as the others. And there are so many it is no longer possible to have a certain evening reserved for any one event. There are lots of days open. This is the second event they've scheduled the same night as a nearby event that has now been going for over a decade. No, there are not. Monday - As the beginning of the work week, no group chooses Monday because it kills attendance before you even start. See Friday. Tuesday-Thursday - These are the much preferred days for an evening tech gathering. Friday - As the end of the work week, no group choose Friday because that's when everyone parties or whatever. See Monday. Saturday-Sunday - These usually are for longer events that take several hours. So, we have three days in the middle of the week to have an evening meeting. 12 days per month. Just 12. A sampling of groups and topics from those meeting regularly in the Phoenix valley taken from http://meetupstogoto.com: Refocus Phoenix: Third Wednesday of every month Social Media Club: Second Thursday of every month Stealthmode Partners: Second Monday of every month Creative Coffee: Last Tuesday of every month Phoenix OpenCoffee: Every Thursday morning Gangplank: Hacknight on Wednesdays Creative Connect: Second Tuesday of every month AIGA Arizona Radiate Phoenix Pecha Kucha: Phoenix Phoenix InDesign User Group Web Design Development Group: Third Monday of every month ASP.NET User Group: Second Tuesday of every month Arizona SharePoint Professionls Group: Last Thursday of every month Arizona Security Practitioners Forum: Fourth Monday of every month Silverlight User Group: First Wednesday of every month Phoenix Android Developers Meeting: Fourth Thursday of every month Xcode Phoenix - Cocoa and OSX Developer Group: Second Thursday of every month SQL Server Users Group: Second Wednesday of every month Phoenix Rails Phoenix Ruby User Group: Second Monday of each month Arizona Flash Platform User Group: Fourth Wednesday of every month Arizona Coldfusion User Group: Fourth Wednesday of every month Phoenix Linux User Group: Dev - First Thursday, East - Second Thursday, West - Fourth Wednesday of every month Phoenix Java User Group: Second Wednesday of every month Arizona PHP User Group: Fourth Tuesday of every month Phoenix Python User Group Arizona Macintosh User Group Southeast Valley .NET User Group: Fourth Thursday of the month Phoenix Linux User Group: Four meetings a month Phoenix iPhone: First Wednesday of every month NSCoder Night: Every Tuesday Startup Drinks: Second Tuesday and last Thursday of every month TiE Arizona: Second Wednesday of every month, quarterly mixers Markamp Tiny Army: First Wednesday of every month Phoenix SEO Meetup Group Arizona Media Buzz American Marketing Association - Phoenix Chapter: Fourth Wednesday of every month Enterprise Network: Third Thursday of every month Phoenix Friday Nights: Every Friday And that is not all of the groups in Phoenix. And that's ignoring more traditional business groups in which some of the PLUG audience may be involved. Overlap will happen. Just have to keep offering quality stuff and people will come if they are interested. I see this as a good thing. More choice, more energy, more community. I see it as annoying. Intentional conflicting times is not community building. Intentional? You're saying HeatSync Labs researched when PLUG was meeting and purposefully chose the same day just to conflict with PLUG. I don't believe that at all. They chose a day that worked for their needs and the venue schedule. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: new IRC meetings
It's on my calendar! Alan On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, I'm starting a new IRC meeting on the first and third Sunday of the month at 20:00. The first meeting will be next Sunday. The meetings are explicitly for planning PLUG activities and working on PLUG activities and infrastructure. Be prepared to help out if you show up. We will meet in the normal PLUG channel, #PLUGaz on Freenode. irc.Freenode.net #PLUGaz 20:00 on first and third Sunday of the month. Here's a web interface for Freenode. http://webchat.freenode.net/ This is the same time ABLEconf meetings were taking place. Second and fourth Sundays will be for ABLEconf in the future, so there is a basis for the times I chose :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes http://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. # -- Albert Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
