Re: Cannot remove a widget

[Brian Cluff]

For packaged items that you really want to make it go away and not come 
back you can do this:
dpkg-divert --rename --add 
/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-timer.desktop

dpkg-divert --rename --add /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_timer.so

For widgets, they will immediately disappear from the system, there is 
not need to reboot, or even so much as log out.
That will add a diversion to the package system so that it moves the 
offending files out of the way that timer needs to run.  The diversion 
will persist till you tell it to stop diverting the files, so new 
versions of the package will also have the timer files moved out of the 
way automagically and will not make the timer widget come back.


To stop the diversion just run:
dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_timer.so
dpkg-divert --rename --remove 
/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-timer.desktop


And everything will be as it was.

Brian Cluff

On 11/13/2012 12:47 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

Hmm,  Yes it is the right one.  But If read you correctly, you're saying
it is a "standard" widget included on everyone's install. Correct?  I
added so many I may have confused it with one (I) added.



THANKS!   Explains why there's no "un-install"






On 11/12/2012 09:13 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:

Are you sure you are looking at the correct plasmoid?

I just installed a widget and the one I installed shows an uninstall
button when I hover the mouse over it.

You can also do  -> addwidgets -> get new widgets -> download
new widgets
Then under oder by select "Installed".  Everything you have installed
should how up there with a coresponding uninstall button.

While looking in the widgets list I noticed that I also have "timer" by
Davide Bettio.  But mine was installed via normal packages.  I suspect
you got yours the same way, so it's most likely another widget that
you are trying to get rid of.

If you really want to get rid of it you can uninstall the package
"kdeplasma-addons"
But be warned that it will also remove the following widgets:

Binary Clock
Black Board
Bookmarks
Bouncy Ball
Bubblemon
Calculator
Character Selector
Color Picker
Comic Strip
Dictionary
Eyes
Fifteen Puzzle
File Watcher
Fuzzy Clock
Icon Tasks
Incoming Message
Knowledge Base
Konqueror Profiles
Konsole Profile
LCD Weather Station
Leave a Note
Life
Luna
Magnifique
Media Player
Microblogging
News
Notes
Now Playing
OpenDesktop.org Community
OpenDesktop.org Social News
Paste
Pastebin
Picture Frame
Plasmaboard
Previewer
Qalculate!
Remember The Milk
RSSNOW
Show Widget Dashboard
Show Desktop
Spell Check
System Load Viewer
Timer
Unit Converter
Weather Forecast
Web Slice

Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff

On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

Kubuntu 12.10

I installed a  timer widget from the widget download repository link.
"TIMER" by Davide Bettio

I cannot UN-INSTALL it. there is no un-install button. Arrrgghh


I did search the web, and found similar instructions. but they do not
pertain to 12.10 were not 'close enough' to provide a solution.

I would guess that if I knew WHERE it is, that would be most of what I
need.  But I do not know what to look for.

Suggestions?

TIA
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Re: Cannot remove a widget

[Brian Cluff]

Thats too inefficient and will give a lot more output than you want. 
Since we already know the name of the package it came in, we can narrow 
down what files to look at greatly by doing:

dpkg -L plasma-widgets-addons | grep -i timer

That will simply list just the files in the package and then grep out 
anything that matched timer (case insensitive, just to cover our butts).


Brian Cluff

On 11/13/2012 09:17 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

find  /

On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

I would guess that if I knew WHERE it is, that would be most
of what I
need.  But I do not know what to look for.

Suggestions?

TIA
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Re: Cannot remove a widget

[Brian Cluff]

I wouldn't say it's a "standard" widget, but it is in a package that is 
very likely to be installed.


...and I would bet good money that you do have it installed.

Do you suspect that this widget breaking things, or are you just doing 
some housekeeping, and getting rid of unused widgets?


Brian Cluff

On 11/13/2012 12:47 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

Hmm,  Yes it is the right one.  But If read you correctly, you're saying
it is a "standard" widget included on everyone's install. Correct?  I
added so many I may have confused it with one (I) added.



THANKS!   Explains why there's no "un-install"






On 11/12/2012 09:13 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:

Are you sure you are looking at the correct plasmoid?

I just installed a widget and the one I installed shows an uninstall
button when I hover the mouse over it.

You can also do  -> addwidgets -> get new widgets -> download
new widgets
Then under oder by select "Installed".  Everything you have installed
should how up there with a coresponding uninstall button.

While looking in the widgets list I noticed that I also have "timer" by
Davide Bettio.  But mine was installed via normal packages.  I suspect
you got yours the same way, so it's most likely another widget that
you are trying to get rid of.

If you really want to get rid of it you can uninstall the package
"kdeplasma-addons"
But be warned that it will also remove the following widgets:

Binary Clock
Black Board
Bookmarks
Bouncy Ball
Bubblemon
Calculator
Character Selector
Color Picker
Comic Strip
Dictionary
Eyes
Fifteen Puzzle
File Watcher
Fuzzy Clock
Icon Tasks
Incoming Message
Knowledge Base
Konqueror Profiles
Konsole Profile
LCD Weather Station
Leave a Note
Life
Luna
Magnifique
Media Player
Microblogging
News
Notes
Now Playing
OpenDesktop.org Community
OpenDesktop.org Social News
Paste
Pastebin
Picture Frame
Plasmaboard
Previewer
Qalculate!
Remember The Milk
RSSNOW
Show Widget Dashboard
Show Desktop
Spell Check
System Load Viewer
Timer
Unit Converter
Weather Forecast
Web Slice

Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff

On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

Kubuntu 12.10

I installed a  timer widget from the widget download repository link.
"TIMER" by Davide Bettio

I cannot UN-INSTALL it. there is no un-install button. Arrrgghh


I did search the web, and found similar instructions. but they do not
pertain to 12.10 were not 'close enough' to provide a solution.

I would guess that if I knew WHERE it is, that would be most of what I
need.  But I do not know what to look for.

Suggestions?

TIA
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Re: Cannot remove a widget

[Brian Cluff]

Are you sure you are looking at the correct plasmoid?

I just installed a widget and the one I installed shows an uninstall 
button when I hover the mouse over it.


You can also do  -> addwidgets -> get new widgets -> download 
new widgets
Then under oder by select "Installed".  Everything you have installed 
should how up there with a coresponding uninstall button.


While looking in the widgets list I noticed that I also have "timer" by
Davide Bettio.  But mine was installed via normal packages.  I suspect 
you got yours the same way, so it's most likely another widget that you 
are trying to get rid of.


If you really want to get rid of it you can uninstall the package 
"kdeplasma-addons"

But be warned that it will also remove the following widgets:

Binary Clock
Black Board
Bookmarks
Bouncy Ball
Bubblemon
Calculator
Character Selector
Color Picker
Comic Strip
Dictionary
Eyes
Fifteen Puzzle
File Watcher
Fuzzy Clock
Icon Tasks
Incoming Message
Knowledge Base
Konqueror Profiles
Konsole Profile
LCD Weather Station
Leave a Note
Life
Luna
Magnifique
Media Player
Microblogging
News
Notes
Now Playing
OpenDesktop.org Community
OpenDesktop.org Social News
Paste
Pastebin
Picture Frame
Plasmaboard
Previewer
Qalculate!
Remember The Milk
RSSNOW
Show Widget Dashboard
Show Desktop
Spell Check
System Load Viewer
Timer
Unit Converter
Weather Forecast
Web Slice

Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff

On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

Kubuntu 12.10

I installed a  timer widget from the widget download repository link.
"TIMER" by Davide Bettio

I cannot UN-INSTALL it. there is no un-install button.   Arrrgghh


I did search the web, and found similar instructions. but they do not
pertain to 12.10 were not 'close enough' to provide a solution.

I would guess that if I knew WHERE it is, that would be most of what I
need.  But I do not know what to look for.

Suggestions?

TIA
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Re: mass rename help

[Brian Cluff]

You can also do:

prename -v 's/meetthegimp=mobile([0-9]+).mp4/meetthegimp$1-mobile.mp4/' 
meetthegimp=mobile*.mp4


prename is also probably linked to by rename and comes with PERL, so it 
should already be on your system.


Brian Cluff

On 10/29/2012 06:21 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I have a bunch of files named "meetthegimp=mobile999.mp4" where 999 is
any 3 digit number.  I want to rename them all to be
"meetthegimp999-mobile.mp4".

Can anyone give me a mv or rename command to do them all in one fell
swoop?  I could probably figure one out but it would take more time due
to having to make test cases and doing trial and error than just asking
you folks.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: mass rename help

[Brian Cluff]

Install the package mmv and then do:

mmv "meetthegimp=mobile*.mp4" "meetthegimp#1-mobile.mp4"

That should take care of it don't forget the quotes.  It needs them 
even if there aren't any spaces and such.


Brian Cluff

On 10/29/2012 06:21 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I have a bunch of files named "meetthegimp=mobile999.mp4" where 999 is
any 3 digit number.  I want to rename them all to be
"meetthegimp999-mobile.mp4".

Can anyone give me a mv or rename command to do them all in one fell
swoop?  I could probably figure one out but it would take more time due
to having to make test cases and doing trial and error than just asking
you folks.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Reiserfs

[Brian Cluff]

I've haven't seen those problems with ext4.  I ran it on thousands of 
machines in a school environment where the kids more often than not 
would just turn the power off in order to leave quickly.  So the 
machines got hard rebooted several times a day and I never had any 
problem with any of them scrambling their data.  They just took a lickin 
and kept on ticking... much to my amazement, I had just assumed that 
they would screw on up from time to time by just random chance.


I can tell you that a kid picking up a keyboard and beating a computer 
with it seems to be a sure fire way to scramble the data though :)


Brian Cluff

On 10/24/2012 06:51 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

I can't say I've much seen ext4 stabilize.  I've had way more issues
with it with unclean shutdowns and repairs that need intervention than I
ever had with reiserfs for far longer.

Admittedly all the issues may or may not be ext4's direct fault, but
I've tried as much wackiness then w/reiser as I do now experimenting
with features now that cause a panic, and found ext4 somewhat more
fragile when provoked.  YMMV.

I don't condone reiserfs's use much today because the performance is
pretty poor by modern standards (check phoronix for benchmarks against
ext3/4, btrfs, xfs).  Otherwise I'd rather trust my data to Reiser's
code personally, dubious character of the creator or not.

-mb


On 10/24/2012 11:52 AM, Ryan Rix wrote:

On Thu 18 October 2012 08:49:34 Derek Trotter wrote:

I noticed when I installed the latest kubuntu a couple of weeks ago that
reiserfs was one of the options to use for formatting the partition.
Does it have some advantage over newer filesystems? Or is it there
because it's been around for several years?


I never really saw the purpose of Resiser since ext4 stabilized. However!
ReiserFS is murderously fast and has tons of killer features

http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-married-a-kernel-programmer


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Re: diff question

[Brian Cluff]

If you want to kill lines that start with // then you need to anchor it 
to the beginning of the line with ^.  If you want to also get comments 
that start with spaces or tabs you can also add \s to match white space 
followed by a * to match 0 or more occur aces of white space.


So the line you would want to use would look like:

diff -I '^\s*//' file1 file2

Also note that I put it in single quotes to keep the shell from escaping 
some characters.


Brian Cluff

On 10/22/2012 01:59 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

Hi all,
I am trying to diff between two sets of files. I want to ignore comments
(lines that start with //).
I've tried

  * diff -I "//" file1 file2
  * diff -I "\/\/" file1 file2
  * diff -I "//.* file1 file2

among others. Has anyone successfully used diff and its ignore option?

Thanks,
Eric


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Re: Question about linux and AMD based chipsets/onboard raid

[Brian Cluff]

Aarrrg, sorry I had to 0 the whole drive without any payoff, I really 
thought that would yield results.


As for your current problem, at the grub prompt, press e and edit the 
boot line, delete the words quiet and splash and then press CTRL+x to 
boot.   That should allow you to see all the boot process in all it's 
glory including the line that it is getting stuck on.


With any luck it's actually getting hung up on the splash screen itself 
and will just boot.  Then all you'll have to do is remove those options 
from the /etc/default/grub file and then update-grub.


If not, you should at least have a better idea of what to look for now.

Brian Cluff

On 10/21/2012 02:25 PM, Stephen wrote:

So after 0ing my drive, removing all other drives and still gettign no
results i gave up on 12.04 install media. also having a failure wiht
dist-upgradeing from 10.04 once it went to 12.04 i tried a 11.04
server install media. dist upgrade it to current and was still able to
boot. sheesh do not try this hardware combination. it has officially
earned PITA status.

new hiccup. I cannot get it to boot smoothly without intervention. if
i let it boot (still entirely on its own drive) it gets out of grub
and sits at a black screen. if i choose recovery then normal boot its
fine. even after turning on lightDM. fun thing is i am not sure what i
would be looking for on this. suggestions would be appreciated
certainly.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Stephen  wrote:

Funny thing is 10.10, 11.4, and 11.10 were fine with the array's in place
once 12.4 made the rounds it fell over. If i knew more about grub and udev i
could probably bring it back up.

On Oct 18, 2012 7:28 PM, "Brian Cluff"  wrote:


H, that should have been good enough, but I guess they could have put
it in the middle.  It's not unheard of.

Like I said, something is triggering that device mapper on your drive, so
there has to be something on the drive that it likes.

Brian Cluff

On 10/18/2012 07:04 PM, Stephen wrote:


Generally i run the quick zero which is the first and last 300mb i hiess
the next step is finding a home for the data and the 10+ hours to zero
the long way.

On Oct 18, 2012 6:45 PM, "Brian Cluff" mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

 Did you zero the drive all the way to the end, or just the first
 part. Also maybe you zeroed the partition and not the drive? Many of
 the raid superblocks are at the very end of the drive, and it would
 still be catching them if you haven't done the whole thing.

 I really think this is whats happening since the Device Mapper is
 trying to grab hold of it.

 Brian Cluff

 On 10/18/2012 12:50 PM, Stephen wrote:

 well  4 of the 6 drives involved are actively part of a raid.
 the one
 i am using for Linux was already 0ed for that very reason, i do
 still
 have a usb HDD still attached so i will try disconnecting that.

 odd thing is i was able to boot a 10.10x64 no issue and installed
 there and have been doing dist-upgrades to current. i will take
 a 2nd
 look but its is really puzzling.

 I will certainly have to keep an eye out. I haven't even figured
out
 how i'm going to configure grub yet to get multiple boot set up.
 i may
 leave it ghetto and just use bios.

 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

 The fact that the device mapper is getting involved with the
 drive leads me
 to believe that the drive was part of a raid, or at least
 configured by your
 raid controller at one time and there is now a superblock on
 it that is
 messing up everything.
 You'll probably need to zero out that superblock before
     things will start to
 behave correctly.

 Brian Cluff


 On 10/17/2012 07:42 PM, Stephen wrote:


 I have an AMD based chiset and i am trying to get ubuntu
 to boot right
 now and it is stalling, and i am having trouble ironing
 out what is
 going on.

 I have onbaord raid drives attached to the onboard raid
 chipset
 (SB710) however i am not intending to install to those
 drives the
 drive i wish to install to is actually a SATA connected
 single drive
 but i am having the worst time getting Ubuntu 12.04 to
 even finish its
 boot cycle. and im not getting allot of feedback.

 The errors i am getting are ata_id[336]:
 HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for
 '/dev/sdb': Invalid argument
 - this is with all Raid disks di

Re: mk802, g-82

[Brian Cluff]

But my point is that what Hans would be more accurately looking for is a 
CEC controllable device and TV since that would also include any number 
of other HDMI connected devices in addition to MHL devices, including a 
MythTV box if it's running the latest .26 release. (Whoo Hoo!)


Upon looking at the Roku stick, it appears that the MHL port on a TV is 
actually a USB port that has the MHL adapter internal to the TV.  So it 
just simply keeps you from having to purchase a USB to MHL adapter, 
which only cost about $7, that converts your phone USB port to an HDMI 
port.  You could just as easily get the adapter and plug it into your 
non MHL ready TV's HDMI port and use it's CEC ability to do the exact 
same thing.


Brian Cluff

On 10/20/2012 11:20 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

The Roku Stick, and many phones, use MHL-compatible ports; CEC is the 
remote-control interface for MHL, but it's the MHL port that is required for a 
Roku stick.
As far as I can tell, all MHL compatible host devices (e.g. TVs) also support 
CEC.

On 10/20/2012 10:34 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:

I think you mean CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) compatible TV instead of 
MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) which is the interface to convert the USB on 
your phone into an HDMI port that understands CEC.
In that video they are actually demonstrating CEC when they are showing off the 
remove controlling the phone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC

Brian Cluff

On 10/20/2012 10:03 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

Inline:

On 10/19/2012 11:16 PM, der.hans wrote:

Am 19. Oct, 2012 schw�tzte Joseph Sinclair so:


<>

MHL means one remote controls both TV and the plugin device? Do you have
to switch back in forth like TV/Sat/DVD/AUX or can you just change
channels or change volume and the correct thing happens?

With the MHL connection, the device has no remote control of it's own, 
everything is controlled by the host device; that includes volume.



Finally found a video showing a remote with a TV to control a phone over
MHL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmuvzfkyP78

I don't see him changing volume, but I would think the TV could be kept at
constant volume and changing the phone volume would be sufficient.

No, The phone volume has no effect as the output stream is a straight digital 
content stream.  The TV controls volume.



What about for the roku stick?

Same, the TV does volume, the stick just provides an A/V data stream.



What about integration with an OTA receiver? Can Roku handle that as a
channel?

No, He would switch to (e.g.) HDMI-3 for the Roku, and HDMI-1 for the OTA.  
Most TV remotes can make this a single button for each source.



I need simple. While the person is intelligent, whatever I set up might be
a brand new interface to learn multiple times a day on the bad days.

Simple is good, and I have gotten some absolutely technophobic persons to use 
Roku just fine (as long as I turn on the system; I have a complex turn-on 
sequence due to having 5 non-integrated devices, something you'll want to 
avoid), and switching (via single-button) from Roku to OTA is not a problem 
when I provide a small instruction sheet (3 sentences [for Watch TV, Watch 
Movies, Turn Off], fits on a 3X5 in 16pt Courier).

I should mention that some of the newer "Smart" TV sets have built-in streaming 
video capability (including viewing any DLNA content on the local net), and that can be 
made fairly simple to use as well with a bit of remote-control programming.



ciao,

der.hans

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Re: Need urgent help repairing a video file...and yeah, it's a Linux issue...

[Brian Cluff]

It appears that you have managed to chop off the end of your file, and 
since MPEG4 files keep their header at the end of the file nothing will 
touch that file.  Sure, much of the data is there, but you would have to 
know a heck of a lot about it and have some very special software in 
order to reconstruct it, but that still wouldn't replace whatever video 
also got chopped off.


One of the utilities that I ran it though said the file should have been 
closer to 152MB instead of 17MB, so you appear to have lost most of the 
data too.


Brian Cluff

On 10/20/2012 10:58 AM, Jim March wrote:

Folks,

I have a broken .mp4 file on my hands that is critically important to a
political thing I'm doing.

The file is at:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1825088/ScytlBaltimore.mp4

I've tried using a front-end to ffmeg called "format junkie" to fix this
critter and the error it spits out is "moov atom not found".  This
apparently means the data might be there, but the video format structure
does exist.

Some google-fu led me to this page:

http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/~ponchio/untrunc.php

Awesome!  An open-source util that can cope with this.

Problems though...

It needs "libavformat-dev and libavcodec-dev straight from the Ubuntu
repositories" and the Quantal that I'm running (latest Ubuntu) can't
load those per Synaptic - not without a lot of dependency hell stuff
that might break FSM only knows what.

I have a VM copy of Mint 8 that might, but I can't seem to get
Virtualbox to pass it networking so that I could load those and load the
build-essentials stuff needed to compile this critter.

Can anybody help by compiling untrunc and then applying it to that data
file!?  I'd be very, very grateful :(.

Thanks,

Jim


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Re: mk802, g-82

[Brian Cluff]

I think you mean CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) compatible TV 
instead of MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) which is the interface to 
convert the USB on your phone into an HDMI port that understands CEC.
In that video they are actually demonstrating CEC when they are showing 
off the remove controlling the phone.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC

Brian Cluff

On 10/20/2012 10:03 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

Inline:

On 10/19/2012 11:16 PM, der.hans wrote:

Am 19. Oct, 2012 schwätzte Joseph Sinclair so:


<>

MHL means one remote controls both TV and the plugin device? Do you have
to switch back in forth like TV/Sat/DVD/AUX or can you just change
channels or change volume and the correct thing happens?

With the MHL connection, the device has no remote control of it's own, 
everything is controlled by the host device; that includes volume.



Finally found a video showing a remote with a TV to control a phone over
MHL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmuvzfkyP78

I don't see him changing volume, but I would think the TV could be kept at
constant volume and changing the phone volume would be sufficient.

No, The phone volume has no effect as the output stream is a straight digital 
content stream.  The TV controls volume.



What about for the roku stick?

Same, the TV does volume, the stick just provides an A/V data stream.



What about integration with an OTA receiver? Can Roku handle that as a
channel?

No, He would switch to (e.g.) HDMI-3 for the Roku, and HDMI-1 for the OTA.  
Most TV remotes can make this a single button for each source.



I need simple. While the person is intelligent, whatever I set up might be
a brand new interface to learn multiple times a day on the bad days.

Simple is good, and I have gotten some absolutely technophobic persons to use 
Roku just fine (as long as I turn on the system; I have a complex turn-on 
sequence due to having 5 non-integrated devices, something you'll want to 
avoid), and switching (via single-button) from Roku to OTA is not a problem 
when I provide a small instruction sheet (3 sentences [for Watch TV, Watch 
Movies, Turn Off], fits on a 3X5 in 16pt Courier).

I should mention that some of the newer "Smart" TV sets have built-in streaming 
video capability (including viewing any DLNA content on the local net), and that can be 
made fairly simple to use as well with a bit of remote-control programming.



ciao,

der.hans

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Re: Question about linux and AMD based chipsets/onboard raid

[Brian Cluff]

H, that should have been good enough, but I guess they could have 
put it in the middle.  It's not unheard of.


Like I said, something is triggering that device mapper on your drive, 
so there has to be something on the drive that it likes.


Brian Cluff

On 10/18/2012 07:04 PM, Stephen wrote:

Generally i run the quick zero which is the first and last 300mb i hiess
the next step is finding a home for the data and the 10+ hours to zero
the long way.

On Oct 18, 2012 6:45 PM, "Brian Cluff" mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

Did you zero the drive all the way to the end, or just the first
part. Also maybe you zeroed the partition and not the drive? Many of
the raid superblocks are at the very end of the drive, and it would
still be catching them if you haven't done the whole thing.

I really think this is whats happening since the Device Mapper is
trying to grab hold of it.

Brian Cluff

On 10/18/2012 12:50 PM, Stephen wrote:

well  4 of the 6 drives involved are actively part of a raid.
the one
i am using for Linux was already 0ed for that very reason, i do
still
have a usb HDD still attached so i will try disconnecting that.

odd thing is i was able to boot a 10.10x64 no issue and installed
there and have been doing dist-upgrades to current. i will take
a 2nd
look but its is really puzzling.

I will certainly have to keep an eye out. I haven't even figured out
how i'm going to configure grub yet to get multiple boot set up.
i may
leave it ghetto and just use bios.

    On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

The fact that the device mapper is getting involved with the
drive leads me
to believe that the drive was part of a raid, or at least
configured by your
raid controller at one time and there is now a superblock on
it that is
messing up everything.
You'll probably need to zero out that superblock before
things will start to
    behave correctly.

Brian Cluff


On 10/17/2012 07:42 PM, Stephen wrote:


I have an AMD based chiset and i am trying to get ubuntu
to boot right
now and it is stalling, and i am having trouble ironing
out what is
going on.

I have onbaord raid drives attached to the onboard raid
chipset
(SB710) however i am not intending to install to those
drives the
drive i wish to install to is actually a SATA connected
single drive
but i am having the worst time getting Ubuntu 12.04 to
even finish its
boot cycle. and im not getting allot of feedback.

The errors i am getting are ata_id[336]:
HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for
'/dev/sdb': Invalid argument
- this is with all Raid disks disconnected and raid
turned off in
bios. just a single SATA HDD

I get one of the two following errors if i have raid
disks attached

A similar entry as above comes up or i get
udevd[167] inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed:
No Such file or
directory

the most promising option i have so far is booting with
nodmraid but
it seems to just hang and go no place after detecting my
CDrom devices

This is rather perplexing overall.

Ideally i would like my 2 onboard raids to be connected
running
windows and then let linux run amok on my extra sata hdd
but it either
is really pissed off in a way i cannot figure out or it
really does
not like that port.

Anyone have any thoughts?


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Re: Question about linux and AMD based chipsets/onboard raid

[Brian Cluff]

Did you zero the drive all the way to the end, or just the first part. 
Also maybe you zeroed the partition and not the drive? Many of the raid 
superblocks are at the very end of the drive, and it would still be 
catching them if you haven't done the whole thing.


I really think this is whats happening since the Device Mapper is trying 
to grab hold of it.


Brian Cluff

On 10/18/2012 12:50 PM, Stephen wrote:

well  4 of the 6 drives involved are actively part of a raid. the one
i am using for Linux was already 0ed for that very reason, i do still
have a usb HDD still attached so i will try disconnecting that.

odd thing is i was able to boot a 10.10x64 no issue and installed
there and have been doing dist-upgrades to current. i will take a 2nd
look but its is really puzzling.

I will certainly have to keep an eye out. I haven't even figured out
how i'm going to configure grub yet to get multiple boot set up. i may
leave it ghetto and just use bios.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

The fact that the device mapper is getting involved with the drive leads me
to believe that the drive was part of a raid, or at least configured by your
raid controller at one time and there is now a superblock on it that is
messing up everything.
You'll probably need to zero out that superblock before things will start to
behave correctly.

Brian Cluff


On 10/17/2012 07:42 PM, Stephen wrote:


I have an AMD based chiset and i am trying to get ubuntu to boot right
now and it is stalling, and i am having trouble ironing out what is
going on.

I have onbaord raid drives attached to the onboard raid chipset
(SB710) however i am not intending to install to those drives the
drive i wish to install to is actually a SATA connected single drive
but i am having the worst time getting Ubuntu 12.04 to even finish its
boot cycle. and im not getting allot of feedback.

The errors i am getting are ata_id[336]: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for
'/dev/sdb': Invalid argument
- this is with all Raid disks disconnected and raid turned off in
bios. just a single SATA HDD

I get one of the two following errors if i have raid disks attached

A similar entry as above comes up or i get
udevd[167] inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed: No Such file or
directory

the most promising option i have so far is booting with nodmraid but
it seems to just hang and go no place after detecting my CDrom devices

This is rather perplexing overall.

Ideally i would like my 2 onboard raids to be connected running
windows and then let linux run amok on my extra sata hdd but it either
is really pissed off in a way i cannot figure out or it really does
not like that port.

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Re: Question about linux and AMD based chipsets/onboard raid

[Brian Cluff]

The fact that the device mapper is getting involved with the drive leads 
me to believe that the drive was part of a raid, or at least configured 
by your raid controller at one time and there is now a superblock on it 
that is messing up everything.
You'll probably need to zero out that superblock before things will 
start to behave correctly.


Brian Cluff

On 10/17/2012 07:42 PM, Stephen wrote:

I have an AMD based chiset and i am trying to get ubuntu to boot right
now and it is stalling, and i am having trouble ironing out what is
going on.

I have onbaord raid drives attached to the onboard raid chipset
(SB710) however i am not intending to install to those drives the
drive i wish to install to is actually a SATA connected single drive
but i am having the worst time getting Ubuntu 12.04 to even finish its
boot cycle. and im not getting allot of feedback.

The errors i am getting are ata_id[336]: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for
'/dev/sdb': Invalid argument
- this is with all Raid disks disconnected and raid turned off in
bios. just a single SATA HDD

I get one of the two following errors if i have raid disks attached

A similar entry as above comes up or i get
udevd[167] inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed: No Such file or directory

the most promising option i have so far is booting with nodmraid but
it seems to just hang and go no place after detecting my CDrom devices

This is rather perplexing overall.

Ideally i would like my 2 onboard raids to be connected running
windows and then let linux run amok on my extra sata hdd but it either
is really pissed off in a way i cannot figure out or it really does
not like that port.

Anyone have any thoughts?



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Re: Reiserfs

[Brian Cluff]

There used to be some advantages, but most of the file systems have seen 
upgrades too, so they aren't as apparent as they used to be.  These days 
if you watch spiffy new features in your file system look at BTRFS.  All 
eyes are on that for the next generation of standard linux file system. 
 I believe that it is also an option when installing a new system. 
I've considered doing an install with it just so that I can play with 
it's snapshotting features.


Brian

On 10/18/2012 08:49 AM, Derek Trotter wrote:

I noticed when I installed the latest kubuntu a couple of weeks ago that
reiserfs was one of the options to use for formatting the partition.
Does it have some advantage over newer filesystems? Or is it there
because it's been around for several years?


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Re: OT Anyone else remember this?

[Brian Cluff]

If only you could send all the old junk that is too slow and too small 
to use by todays standards back in time to yourself, you would look like 
a computing god to everyone else.


I have a picture from the early 90's of the server rack, which was 
completely full, for cdrom.com that they were showing around because 
they were so proud of the fact that they had a whole terabyte of 
storage.  That amount of space seemed unimaginable at the time, 
especially since if I remember right that my computer had a 105MB HD at 
that time.  Times have changed and now I have around 20TB of storage in 
my house... and climbing, and I suspect that it another 20 years I'll be 
laughing about how we ever got along with only terabytes of storage 
because I'll have some sort of solid state drive on my keychain that 
holds terabytes.


Brian Cluff

On 10/18/2012 09:00 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I sure remember it.  No chance I could have afforded it back then, but I
did want one.

http://www.howtogeek.com/126846/retro-ad-10-mb-hard-drive-for-3398-image


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Re: Driver Install Conundrum

[Brian Cluff]

You need to do:
sudo dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq brscan4

so that it will force it's removal despite being marked inconsistent, an 
apt-get remove won't do it.


Brian

On 10/15/2012 11:45 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

On 10/15/2012 10:37 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:

rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.postins



wayne@8-Core:~$ *sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.prerm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.postinst *
wayne@8-Core:~$ *sudo apt-get remove brscan4*
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: The package brscan4 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an
archive for it.


wayne@8-Core:~$ *sudo dpkg -C*
The following packages are in a mess due to serious problems during
installation.  They must be reinstalled for them (and any packages
that depend on them) to function properly:
  brscan4  Brother Scanner Driver


MUON INFO

Package: brscan4

Error: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
reinstall it before attempting a removal.



Am i doing something wrong?


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Re: Driver Install Conundrum

[Brian Cluff]

If those pre-remove and post-remove scripts are failing, then lets get 
rid of them.  They appear to not be needed anyway since the package 
never made it onto the system in the first place.


rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.postinst

Then try purging the package again

sudo dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq brscan4

Brian Cluff

On 10/15/2012 08:25 AM, Wayne Davis wrote:

:-(GOT THIS:

/wayne@8-Core:~$ *sudo dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq brscan4*//
//dpkg: warning: overriding problem because --force enabled://
// Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should//
// reinstall it before attempting a removal.//
//(Reading database ... 413752 files and directories currently installed.)//
//Removing brscan4 ...//
///var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.prerm: 3: /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.prerm:
/opt/brother/scanner/brscan4/setupSaneScan4: not found//
//dpkg: error processing brscan4 (--purge)://
// subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 127//
//This software is based in part on the work of the Independent JPEG
Group.//
///var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.postinst: 11:
/var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan4.postinst:
/opt/brother/scanner/brscan4/setupSaneScan4: not found //
//dpkg: error while cleaning
up: 
  
&
nbsp;&nbs p; //
// subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit
status 127 //
//Errors were encountered while processing: ; &n bsp; //
// brscan4 /


On 10/14/2012 11:43 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:

*Try doing this: **
**dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq brscan4 *

Brian Cluff

On 10/14/2012 11:29 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:


I want to get rid of this:



wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg -C

The following packages are in a *mess* due to serious problems during
installation.  They must be reinstalled for them (and any packages
that depend on them) to function properly:
* brscan4  Brother Scanner Driver*

wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg*-r *brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64
dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching
brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64

wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg -r brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64*.deb*
dpkg: error: you must specify packages by their own names, not by
quoting the names of the files they come in


wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg *-P *brscan4
dpkg: error processing brscan4 (--purge):
  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
Errors were encountered while processing:
  brscan4


wayne@8-Core:~$ ls

brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64

*
**
Any Ideas?*


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Re: Driver Install Conundrum

[Brian Cluff]

Try doing this:
dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq brscan4

Brian Cluff

On 10/14/2012 11:29 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:


I want to get rid of this:



wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg -C

The following packages are in a *mess* due to serious problems during
installation.  They must be reinstalled for them (and any packages
that depend on them) to function properly:
* brscan4  Brother Scanner Driver*

wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg*-r *brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64
dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64

wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg -r brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64*.deb*
dpkg: error: you must specify packages by their own names, not by
quoting the names of the files they come in


wayne@8-Core:~$ sudo dpkg *-P *brscan4
dpkg: error processing brscan4 (--purge):
  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
Errors were encountered while processing:
  brscan4


wayne@8-Core:~$ ls

brscan4-0.2.4-0.amd64

*
**
Any Ideas?*


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Re: gimp 2.8

[Brian Cluff]

They left the option of multiple windows in 2.8, and by default it 
starts in the original multi windows mode.
If you want to put it into single window mode, which I suggest you do, 
just go to Windows -> Single-Window Mode


Brian Cluff

On 10/11/2012 01:31 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

Yeah, I was thinking of doing the tutorials in decending order. And
meetthegimp.org <http://meetthegimp.org> is using 2.8  now so I figured
I better do the same. Funny thing though one of the supposed
benefits of 2.8 is that everything is in one window. I fired it up and
everything is as it was before (three windows). I guess it is a setting
or something.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

You might want to just skip the 2.2 and 2.4 tutorials and move to
the tutorials for 2.6+  There are a lot less cosmetic/placement
issues between those versions.  If you are serious about learning
it, once you get a grasp of the basics, it will be possible to watch
Photoshop tutorials and do the same thing in the gimp, since the
tools are usually there and the names are usually the same or
similar.  If not, a quick search on Google will tell you the
equivalent GIMP name

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Re: gimp 2.8

[Brian Cluff]

You might want to just skip the 2.2 and 2.4 tutorials and move to the 
tutorials for 2.6+  There are a lot less cosmetic/placement issues 
between those versions.  If you are serious about learning it, once you 
get a grasp of the basics, it will be possible to watch Photoshop 
tutorials and do the same thing in the gimp, since the tools are usually 
there and the names are usually the same or similar.  If not, a quick 
search on Google will tell you the equivalent GIMP name


Brian Cluff

On 10/11/2012 01:06 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

Thank you so much. I added the ppa and installed it and I now have gimp
2.8! But that present a question: what is the best way to go about
learning it? I tried following the tutorials on meetthegimp.org
<http://meetthegimp.org> but when he first started producing the film he
was using gimp 2.2 and the differences between 2.2 and 2.6 were
confusing. Now we're at 2.8. I was thinking of following their manual
(http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/) and trying to learn that way but I
thought I should ask those in the know :D If this is the best way is
there a way to wget the manual and then to turn that into a pdf? or
would you not recommend that?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Dazed_75 mailto:lthiels...@gmail.com>> wrote:

BTW, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEAP-CS__pU would seem to
indicate there is no need to compile, just follow the instructions
for ubuntu/debian and install the PPA and go to it.


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Dazed_75 mailto:lthiels...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why do you always do things the hard way and seem not to bother
researching your question?  Try doing a google search on "gimp
2.8 mint" (without the quotes) and you will get lots of hits.
If you do want to compile it look at
http://www.noobslab.com/2012/08/install-latest-gimp-282-in-ubuntu.html


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

okay I want to install gimp 2.8 (I run mint... not
ubuntu). I ran configure and it hung saying babl isn't
installed. I go to a webpage and it says that it is kept in
a git repository. HOw do I install it into the directory it
is supposed to be installed in? hm i just ran 'find
bal|grep babl' and found where babl is installed is
installed. How do I tell it to do what I need to tell it?
:-)~MIKE~(-:

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Re: gimp - resynthesizer

[Brian Cluff]

No, either install the PPA for Ubuntu 12.04 (if thats what you are 
running), or wait a few days and upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10 and it will 
already have gimp 2.8 in it.


gimp 2.8 PPA:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install gimp

Brian Cluff

On 10/09/2012 08:23 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

what do you think... should I download and compile GIMP 2.8.x?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I tried  gimp-resynthesizer before yur response. Thanks for letting
me know it has been changed to gimp-plugin-registry!

:-)~MIKE~(-:



On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

That should be all you have to do.  If you are running one of
the ubuntus then you can get the resynthesizer by installing
gimp-plugin-registry on newer installes and gimp-resynthesizer
on older installs.

Brian


On 10/07/2012 02:36 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

I d/l the files to install it but I don't know what to do
with them. Can
someone help me? Here are the files I d/l:

 -Laptop:~/Downloads/gimpresynth$ ls
 plugin-heal-selection.py plugin-resynth-enlarge.py
resynthesizer
 plugin-heal-transparency.py  plugin-resynth-fill-pattern.py
resynthesizer-gui
 plugin-map-style.py  plugin-resynth-sharpen.py
 plugin-render-texture.py plugin-uncrop.py

H I just opened the file in a terminal and was told
that it IS
the plugin. Which file do I put it in though?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


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Re: gimp - resynthesizer

[Brian Cluff]

That should be all you have to do.  If you are running one of the 
ubuntus then you can get the resynthesizer by installing 
gimp-plugin-registry on newer installes and gimp-resynthesizer on older 
installs.


Brian

On 10/07/2012 02:36 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

I d/l the files to install it but I don't know what to do with them. Can
someone help me? Here are the files I d/l:

-Laptop:~/Downloads/gimpresynth$ ls
plugin-heal-selection.py plugin-resynth-enlarge.py
resynthesizer
plugin-heal-transparency.py  plugin-resynth-fill-pattern.py
resynthesizer-gui
plugin-map-style.py  plugin-resynth-sharpen.py
plugin-render-texture.py plugin-uncrop.py

H I just opened the file in a terminal and was told that it IS
the plugin. Which file do I put it in though?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


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Re: What benefit .png over .jpg?

[Brian Cluff]

I tried looking for that article and it appears to have been taken down, 
but I did find that it was from about 2005.  At that time it was 
probably reasonable to exclude digital camera pictures from their 
magazine, considering that there were very few digital SLR cameras out, 
and the good ones were around 8 Mp.  8 Mp is almost certainly better 
than anything they will be doing with it, but you have to consider that 
the vast majority of the digital cameras that they would have been 
accepting images from at that time would be about 1 to 2 Mp that they 
certainly would have a point, at the time. I see now that they accept 
digital images, and considering that you can find 15+ Mp camera for 
extremely cheap these days it makes sense that they do now.  And 15Mp is 
about what people consider around what it takes to equal film.


Brian Cluff

On 10/04/2012 05:29 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:

Higher resolution allows for printing large pictures while maintaining
picture quality. A few years ago I saw an article in Arizona Highways
showing why they don't accept pictures in digital format. The had two
photos of the same tree. One taken on film and one taken with a digital
camera at several megapixels. Both looked equally as good. Then they
blew up a small portion of the image. The film version looked great. The
digital version was obviously of poor quality. The article went on to
say what resolution was needed to equal the quality of 35mm film. I
forget the number, but it was way higher than what was commonly
available at the time.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't png developed in part
because of concerns about software patents relating to the gif format?

On 10/4/2012 17:16, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Thanks.  Very helpful explanation.  I've always used .jpg almost
exclusively and never noticed any degradation when editing.

Guess I'll have to re-learn everything I thought I knew ;)

Never did understand the need for 3, 5, 8, 10 or larger megapixel
cameras.

I take all my snapshots at about 1/2 megapixel jpg and then crop and
further resize everything down to about 1/4th the original size, and I
can't tell any difference in image quality, even with a jeweler's loop.
I've sometimes printed an original and a resized smaller version at
Costco
and asked people to tell me which is better, and I've never found anyone
who could tell any difference.

People send these 3-megapixel (and bigger) images to me all the time and
they are really slow to load. So, I've always used imagemagick 'convert'
to bulk resize everything to about 1-20th the original size and they all
look the same to me.

On a recent vacation, I took more than 1,000 snapshots and by resizing
them, they all fit on a single CD with lots of room to spare. I also
upload our travel pix to a web page for our family to view online and by
reducing the image size, all the images load and display very quickly and
beautifully online.  With 3+meg image files it would take 20 times more
bandwidth and 20 times longer to load and display.

So, I just don't understand the benefit of keeping snapshots in gigantic
image file sizes.


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TL;DR,
   If you just want to have an image you can view and you want a smaller
file size, then use JPEG and don't edit it.
   If you want to edit the image or it's very small and speed of
display is
important, use PNG.

The two file formats are quite different:
PNG is *lossless* which means that you can edit, adjust, etc... the file
without losing any image data.  It stores all of the data in compressed
form, so it's larger, but everything from the original image is still
present.
JPEG is *lossy* it actually discards around 90% of the image data, so
you
can't edit a JPEG without losing some of the image quality; by the third
or fourth edit a JPEG gets pretty bad.  It also uses some fairly complex
math to store and reconstruct the image, so it's much more
computationally
intensive to view a JPEG compared to a PNG.
The system (generally) uses PNG for thumbnails because (for small
images)
PNG is generally faster to create and faster to load due to less
computation needed to compress/decompress data versus reconstructing an
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Re: video transcoding app

[Brian Cluff]

I usually use Handbrake ( Packages available from http://handbrake.fr/ 
), Which does a very nice job.  You can also use VLC in a pinch, but it 
just compresses the movie and doesn't offer to add subtitles, 
alternative audio tracks, or chapter markers.


Brian Cluff

On 09/24/2012 03:22 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:

Can anyone tell me what are some good applications for ripping DVDs and
transcoding video on kubuntu 12.04?

Thanks

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Re: How to reprogram the M$ key?

[Brian Cluff]

If you are talking about the key that is just to the left of the space. 
 That is the "meta" key.  It's like CTRL, ALT or SHIFT and should be 
used to get to extra functions in combination with that key.  It 
shouldn't really do much beyond that and shouldn't be capable of locking 
up your computer.


It is used quite a bit in KDE in hotkeys that adjust the window manager.
For instance if I press META + 0 I get a magnified image around the mouse.

Brian Cluff

On 09/21/2012 06:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

How can I reprogram/neutralize that annoying M$ key on a standard keyboard?

In the past, I have inadvertently hit that key and had it lock up my Linux
system.

I don't know what it is for anyway, other than as an annoying reminder of
M$ anti-trust coercion tactics to try to make the whole world conform to
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Re: Minimum ram for kubuntu?

[Brian Cluff]

512M is about the minimum that I would try and use.  It will work, but 
you will find that most modern browsers will tend to eat all that RAM up 
immediately.  The machine is going to swap a lot.  You would be much 
better off with 1G or more if possible.
The biggest problem is that old RAM costs a LOT more than the newer 
types of RAM on the market and often times a small RAM upgrade on an 
older machine will exceed the worth of the machine.
If Stephen can find some RAM for this machine I would jump on it.  I'll 
bet it feels like a brand new machine with a decent amount of RAM in it.


Brian Cluff

On 09/19/2012 06:21 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

What is the minimum ram required for kubuntu?

Some online sources say it should run okay with 512-meg of ram.

I'm trying to set up an old Dell for a friend and since I can't seem to
get win-xp wireless to work, thought I'd try kubuntu.  The unit has only
512-meg of ram and when I tried a live kubuntu CD, it worked okay, albeit
slow. So I installed it on half the HD as a dual-boot and it runs, but
very slow and it hangs up.  Is there some way to salvage this old box?



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Re: wireless switch

[Brian Cluff]

Sounds like your device might be getting stuck off.  I had a netbook 
with this problem, the solution was:


After pressing the wifi button and then turning it back on run:

rkfill list

and see if it tells you that anything is soft or hard blocked.

If you see something that is soft blocked, just run:

rkfill unblock 0

Where 0 is the number of the device.  It's probably 0 but you might have 
more than one.


Brian Cluff

On 09/18/2012 03:19 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

I have a compaq cq57 and am very upset with the wifi button. If I
accidently turn it off it won't turn back on unless I restart the stupid
thing. Is there a way to make it so it is always on?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


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Re: Linux Stammtisch - TUESDAY

[Brian Cluff]

5 Hours till Stammtish...  See ya'll there.

Brian

On 09/16/2012 01:47 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

We'll be meeting up at Iguana Macks at 7pm on Tuesday for the Linux
Stammtisch.

A Stammtisch is a gathering of people with a common interest, so there
is no formal presentation. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammtisch )

Please come and join us for some good conversation over good food and
drinks, which are both optional... Friends and family are all welcome.
Come see where the conversation leads this time, it doesn't just stick
exclusively with Linux.  Us Linux geeks are interested in all sorts of
things tech, so the conversation always leads to good time.

The private room that we have has power and high speed wireless
Internet, so if you have any problems, feel free to bring in your
machine and we'll see what we can do to fix your problem...  We even
have facilities there to do a formal presentation, so if you have a
projector and want to show everyone something exciting, we can handle
that as well.

Iguana Macks is located on the South East corner of Knox (half way
between Warner and Ray) and Alma School in Chandler.

1371 N Alma School Rd
Chandler, Arizona 85224
(480) 899-6735

http://maps.google.com/maps?channel=cs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=iguana+macks&fb=1&gl=us&hq=iguana+macks&hnear=Chandler,+AZ


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Re: OT: Google Voice question.

[Brian Cluff]

Try setting the do not disturb on the line you want answered 
immediately.  You should be able to set to for 999days and then you'll 
have to set it again in 2015.  In theory that should make it answer 
immediately.


If not, then you are trying to use a Pontiac Fiero as a moving van, it's 
just not made to do that.


Brian


On 09/13/2012 05:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:



I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is.


Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice
that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping
my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my
primary, ring-first number)?  I do not want to go through the nuisance and
annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere.


1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended
to function opposite to a voicemail service.


To each his own.


2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then
forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone,
gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up.


That is just not what I need or want.


The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your
home or cell number(s).  Then you can change home or cell service without
impact to people who want to call you.


Again, that is not what I need or want.


You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring
through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but
not the cellphone.


Again, that is not what I need or want.


So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it
behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal
phone is *behind* Google Voice.


Again, I just want my "normal" land-line phone to be my primary telephone
and my primary telephone number.  Is it wrong to want that and to want to
use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it?

I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications,
one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls
to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business
Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the
*first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered "live" and
the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment.  All calls *must*
be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google
Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable.  The 25-second five-ring
delay is extremely detrimental.

Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many
other people have the same need that I have.



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Re: Helping a Japanese Ftiend

[Brian Cluff]

These appear to be the errors that are keeping you from mounting the 
DVD. It looks like that drive thinks the DVD is broken.


Brian Cluff

On 09/12/2012 05:37 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

[  132.095180] UDF-fs: error (device sr0): udf_read_tagged: read failed,
block=2394887184, location=0
[  132.095185] UDF-fs: warning (device sr0): udf_fill_super: No fileset
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Re: making PDFs workable

[Brian Cluff]

I think I remember that you were running KDE..  If so, the Okular PDF 
viewer will allow you to copy and paste, you just need to be in 
selection mode (Don't polute your KDE install with evince).  Just click 
the "selection" icon or pick "tools -> selection" from the menu (ctrl-3 
will do it too).


You can also load the "libreoffice-pdfimport" package and load PDFs 
directly into openoffice.


Also inkscape can do a VERY good to percfect job of loading a PDF, the 
quality being mostly dependent on if you have all the fonts installed 
that the PDF is using, but it can only handle a single page at a time.


If you have been doing any of that with no luck, you might have a PDF 
where the text is actually a graphics and nothing will allow you to copy 
and paste text in it.  You best bet for those is to extract the graphics 
out of the PDF and see if one of the OCR software packages can turn it 
into text for you.


Brian Cluff

On 09/11/2012 02:20 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

Well, the reason seems to be that 'document viewer is the default. I
jusat d/l evince and can't seem to make it the default PDGF viewer. I
right click on a pdf>open with>evince but it keeps opening with Document
Viewer!
:-)~MIKE~(-:


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 > Michael Havens wrote:
 >> HOw can I make it so I can copy-n-paste the text from
 >> a pdf into a oo document?
From: Mark Jarvis mailto:m.jar...@cox.net>>
 > The Foxitpro PDF reader allows text to be marked and copied.
 > Unfortunately, it's only available for Windows. I don't know if
 > there's a Linux PDF reader that has that capability.

AFAICT, evince (the PDF reader that's standard for GNOME-based
distros) will
allow you to copy and paste text from PDFs as well.  Also remember
that some
PDF readers have multiple tools available, and the default tool might be
"scroll/drag pages" not "select text".

Also also remember that if the PDF doesn't actually contain text,
but is a
pile of images, then there will be no text to select.  The PDF that
you're
trying to look at doesn't have that problem, but for some reason,
evince won't
let you copy the text.  Acrobrat Reader will.  No, I don't know why
either

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Re: rsync problem

[Brian Cluff]

Looks like you just need to install openssh-server

Brian Cluff

On 09/10/2012 12:09 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

I am having a little problem. An OS was just reinstalled an in this
network and, while the printer is now operational again rsync doesn't
work. In my googling it was gleaned that the problem is that the rsync
daemon is no longer running. So the page said to run the command  'rsync
--daemon' to start it but the response it gives is, 'Failed to parse
file /etc/rsyncd.conf'. I tried to look at the file but discover it
doesn't exist. Then the thought comes to copy the file off of the other
computer. Unfortunately, it is soon discovered that the file doesn't
exist there either. So, please do share what needs to be done to get it
to work?

what follows is the error message:

  rsync -vva --exclude=.*mozilla* --exclude=.*chromium* ~/
bmike2@192.168.0.3:/home/bmike2/;rsync -vva --exclude=.*mozilla*
--exclude=.*chromium* bmike2@192.168.0.3:/home/bmike2/ ~/
opening connection using: ssh -l bmike2 192.168.0.3 rsync --server
-vvlogDtpre.iLsf . /home/bmike2/
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [sender=3.0.9]
opening connection using: ssh -l bmike2 192.168.0.3 rsync --server
--sender -vvlogDtpre.iLsf . /home/bmike2/
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [Receiver=3.0.9]

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Re: Firefox screen font size too small and unstable

[Brian Cluff]

I found that sometimes when accidentially using CTRL + + and CTRL + - 
that the font size stays that setting.  You can return the page to it's 
default settings by pressing CRTL + 0
I find that's a good key sequence to hit every once in a while to get 
things back to default.


Brian

On 09/03/2012 07:25 PM, JD Austin wrote:

You can increase the font size using ctrl +   and decrease the font size
using ctrl -.
Otherwise can change the default fonts and sizes in preferences.
JD


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:25 PM, mailto:j...@actionline.com>> wrote:


The firefox font sizes on my 20" monitor are too small, unstable, and I
can't seem to adjust them in firefox preferences.  Example:

http://www.upquick.com/temp/ffprint.jpg

As you can see in these screen captures, I have the default font
size set
to 16, which is much bigger than it should need to be, but when I
open my
menu, the font size I see on my screen (the center image) is only about
5-point. Yet when I click on any of the menu options shown, and then
click
'back' to the same html menu (the third screen capture image in the
back),
the font sizes are much larger (approx 11 or 12 point).

Why does firefox show such a different font size on the initial opening,
and then larger when I go back to the same html page after opening any
other page?  And why does changing the font size in preferences have no
effect? (I can change it to 30 and it will still remain the same.)

My screen resolution is 1280x1024.



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Re: Firefox screen font size too small and unstable

[Brian Cluff]

This is as on topic as much as any of the other help for pieces of 
software that run on Linux.

Firefox runs on Linux, and this is a list for discussing all things Linux.
This particular problem could also be caused by the desktop font 
settings being inherited by firefox... but there are separate mailing 
lists for those desktops too... 


Brian

On 09/03/2012 07:23 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Accessibility_features_of_Firefox

I don't think this is the Firefox users group, do you?

They have forums there for these questions?


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Your password policy sucks

[Brian Cluff]

Here's a link to the video that I was talking about in the meeting last 
night.  It's really interesting view into passwords and common human 
behavior and using statistics to quickly crack your passwords.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ9BE0hJcKc

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Re: How can a usb device crash a computer?

[Brian Cluff]

Sounds like your adapter is wired wrong.  Hopfully you can hit the 
company up for any repairs to your computer that might be necessary.


That being said, Many computer power supplies have an internal breaker 
of sorts that you might have just tripped.  You just need to have the 
power supply bleed off ALL the power inside of it.  Just unplug the 
power cord for 10 minutes or so and see if that will allow the computer 
to come back on.  Don't try to skimp on the time, it can take a long 
time to bleed off everything and it won't work unless it has.


Hopefully that is all that has happened and it didn't just fry your 
motherboard.


Brian Cluff

On 08/07/2012 01:59 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


How could plugging in a printer via a usb port crash my computer?

I just got a usb to rs232 connector cable and when I plugged it
in to my computer, the computer instantly quit. So I unplugged
the usb cable immediately, but now I cannot power on the computer.

What in the world could have caused such a drastic failure?

And what can I try to resurrect the computer?

Or, to whom would you recommend I take the computer for repair?



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Re: networking down

[Brian Cluff]

Any chance you put the computer to sleep and the battery ran out, or it 
wasn't allowed to come out of sleep properly for some other reason such 
as crashed on wakup.


The reason I ask is that there was/is (I think it's been fixed in newer 
releases though) a bug in network-manager that if your computer wasn't 
let out of sleep properly that it would turn off the networking and it 
make it extremely difficult to get it turned back on.


If this is what happened, simply delete this file and reboot:
/var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state

It's safe to delete that file no matter what, it will be recreated and 
hopefully if that is what was wrong all the "fixes" didn't break the 
networking more. :)


Brian Cluff

On 07/22/2012 12:21 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

Yeah I just checked and nothing appears to be blocked
How do I give you enough info,  Brian?

As for restarting the computer after the update I didn't really update
it. I burned an install disk and did a fresh install preserving /home.

As for the wireless chip it is a:
Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe

but it can't only be the card because the ethernet is not working
either. No Networking seems to have been setup.


On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

Not having enough info, here's my stab in the dark...
Have you checked to see if the radio got turned off?

To check, run as root:
rfkill list all

If it says they are soft blocked, just run:

rfkill unblock all

If it says they are hard blocked, then you have a switch on your
    laptop that got turned off, just turn it back on.

Brian Cluff



On 07/21/2012 12:07 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

Everything was working great on my laptop and then I up graded.
Well,
everything ran great still for about a month but then I shut my
computer
down and then the next day I start my computer again but as it is
booting am told 'waiting for network configuration...' Then
'Waiting up
to 60 more seconds for network configuration...' Then the login
screen
appears. I login but the network is still down until I open a
terminal
and type:

ifconfig wlan0 up


Well, The little blue networking light comes on when I type
ifconfig but
no pages will load and I can't rsync so I guess it doesn't work
still. I
know it isn't the card because another OS I have on the computer
acts
normally when it is loaded.

Could someone tell me what is going on?

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Re: networking down

[Brian Cluff]

Not having enough info, here's my stab in the dark...
Have you checked to see if the radio got turned off?

To check, run as root:
rfkill list all

If it says they are soft blocked, just run:

rfkill unblock all

If it says they are hard blocked, then you have a switch on your laptop 
that got turned off, just turn it back on.


Brian Cluff


On 07/21/2012 12:07 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

Everything was working great on my laptop and then I up graded. Well,
everything ran great still for about a month but then I shut my computer
down and then the next day I start my computer again but as it is
booting am told 'waiting for network configuration...' Then 'Waiting up
to 60 more seconds for network configuration...' Then the login screen
appears. I login but the network is still down until I open a terminal
and type:

ifconfig wlan0 up


Well, The little blue networking light comes on when I type ifconfig but
no pages will load and I can't rsync so I guess it doesn't work still. I
know it isn't the card because another OS I have on the computer acts
normally when it is loaded.

Could someone tell me what is going on?

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Re: kubuntu 12.04 performance deterioration

[Brian Cluff]

On 07/21/2012 09:30 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Now, if I can just figure out how to get rid of the annoying kwallet,
cashew, panel icons continually being spontaneously rearranged from the
way I want them, (and several other kde annoyances), perhaps I can finally
get this system stablized and usable.  ;)


Kwallet is easy to get rid of...  If you want it to store passwords just 
give it an empty password when it asks.  It will give you a warning 
about the security of an empty password... just accept it.  From then on 
it will automatically log into your password wallet.  Of source doing 
that provides no security for your passwords, it simply keeps it from 
asking for a password for the wallet. If you don't want it to store 
passwords, go into system settings -> Account Details -> KDE Wallet and 
uncheck "Enable the KDE wallet subsystem"


As for the cachew, I suggest you just ignore it, or drag it below one of 
your panels.  It is possible to make it disappear, but you have to put 
the system in immutable mode which will leave it totally unconfigurable.


As for icons moving around, I have never seen this before.  The only 
icons that I know of that might spontaneously move around are the tray 
icons. And they have the possibility of moving because they are popping 
in and out of existence depending on their status.  You might be able to 
stick their position a little better by going into the tray settings, in 
the entries tab, and adjusting all the tray items to be some combination 
of either shown all the time, or be hidden all the time.  That should 
keep anything from popping up, like the printer status or USB.   Of 
course that will also make your tray much larger than normal or have it 
not show something when it occurs.


Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff
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Re: kubuntu 12.04 performance deterioration

[Brian Cluff]

A runaway task would be my guess as well (Ctrl + ESC is your friend). 
I've installed the lastest kubuntu on many machines and I've had the 
opposite results.  KDE just keeps getting faster and faster with every 
new release including 4.9 which has a very noticable speed increase.


Was this a fresh install, or an upgrade?

Brian

On 07/20/2012 04:06 PM, James Mcphee wrote:

Standard system troubleshooting would be a good place to start.  What is
your IO and CPU like?  Are you swapping to disk a lot?  Do you have any
obvious errors in /var/log/messages?  Do some of your processes consume
an inordinate amount of memory?  etc etc

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM, mailto:j...@actionline.com>> wrote:


After installing the latest version of kubuntu on my thinkpad,
it started out working fairly well, but performance gradually
deteriorated horribly.  I've tried every "fix" I could find on
the net, but every time I get something fixed, something else
goes haywire.  Many things to like about kubuntu (i.e. suspend
actually works) ... but, every time I logout/in or reboot, it
something goes wrong.

Firefox was working fine, but after closing the lid (to suspend)
and later opening the lid again, Firefox will not start at all.
Both Konqueror and rekonq also are flaky and they also will
hardly work at all.  Very, very slow, jerky, and locking up.

What can I do to get this fixed and stablized?

PS: Like lots of other people whose notes I have seen, I "HATE"
the cashew and all that stupid "activities" business, but as far
as I know, KDE is the only desktop interface that allows multiple
virtual desktops with different backgrounds on each one.

Or is there some other option?



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Re: Video Editing software ideas?

[Brian Cluff]

On 07/15/2012 04:24 PM, Kenn wrote:

They did a kdenlive demo at the last PLUG meeting, I should have dragged
my a$$ over there ...


I'm the "they" that did the presentation, and if you can make it Tuesday 
to the stammtisch I would be happy to show you around kdenlive.  I would 
imagine if Larry shows up that he would be happy to do the same for 
Openshot, but I think you might prefer kdenlive if you are thinking 
about doing some serious editing.  Openshot is great for light editing 
work that won't need a lot of processing or effects.


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Re: presentation for Thu

[Brian Cluff]

OK, I have us down for the following on thurs:

Presenter: Brian Cluff
Title: Kdenlive
Description: Demonstration of the kdenlive nonlinear video editor.  If 
you are using Openshot or thinking about using it, I think it will be 
worth your time to check out kdenlive instead.


Presenter: Der.Hans
Title: Text (ASCII) art tools and demos

Description: GNU/Linux has several fun tools for creating text art and
effects. See tools such as sl, figlet and cowsay in action!

I also have next months topic in the website and it will be published 
just after this thursdays meeting finishes. :)


I hope to see everyone there.

Brian

On 07/10/2012 11:42 AM, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

Brian, in addition to your presentation for Thursday, put me down for a
presentation on text art tools and demos.

###
Title: Text (ASCII) art tools and demos

Description: GNU/Linux has several fun tools for creating text art and
effects. See tools such as sl, figlet and cowsay in action! :)
###

For next month I'll do a new version of my on-the-fly presentation from
last month. Here's a new title and description.

###
Title: Online security, privacy and password management

Description: Tools and tips for giving you more control over your online
security and privacy. Recent breaches at LinkedIn, eHarmony and Last.FM
prove that we can't rely on cloud services to protect our data.

Password managers such as KeePassX help us easily use different, strong
passwords for each site. They also enable several other good security
practices. Other tools can also make it easy for you to take charge of
your online security and privacy.

In addition to good practices for online security, the presentation will
cover tools and practices that can be used to effectively keep your online
accounts seperate from each other so that a security breach at one company
doesn't expose your other accounts.
###

ciao,

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Re: ESM

[Brian Cluff]

Just an end user?   End users usually give the better presentations on 
many things.   Some of us old hats tend to get stuck in our little 
grooves and completely miss the new and usually easier ways of doing things.


An example of this that usually pops into mind occurred about 13 years 
ago when the east side meetings were being held at the boys and girls 
club in Scottsdale.


Anyway, someone new to Linux was asking a question about how they could 
get connected to the Internet through their modem on KDE.  There was a 
few of us gathered around giving each other tips on how to create a chat 
script with all the necessary stuff to get them connected, and really 
confusing the poor guy that just wanted to get connected to the Internet.


After a few minutes, another newbie walked up behind us and asked us 
what was going on... we told him, and he said, "Why don't you just run 
kppp".  None of us has ever heard of it, so we fired it up, filled in 
the name, password and phone number and clicked connect.  It connected 
perfectly the first time.


In the end, the "end user" was the one that knew the proper way to do 
things.  We are also all end users with varying skill sets, and I can 
promise you that there is something that you do that you think is common 
knowledge that a bunch of other people don't know how to do.  Not every 
presentation needs to be on some advanced subject.


Hans also likes to point out, that he likes to pick a subject that he is 
interested in from time to time and force himself to learn it in order 
to give a presentation in it, and it in doing so, he has gained more 
knowledge about things than if he had just stuck with things he knew about.


I know this has been VERY true for me.  In trying to find subjects for 
my mini presentations on graphic apps, I've had to learn all sorts of 
new stuff in order to fill a presentation every month.


Brian Cluff

On 06/11/2012 05:53 PM, Eric Allen wrote:

Me?,,, I trip over my tongue and I'm just an end user is all.
.
Eric


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On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Eric Allen mailto:ericall...@juno.com>> wrote:

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.
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Re: ESM

[Brian Cluff]

Believe me, I would have announced it yesterday if I knew.

There is/was someone that said they would do a presentation on a piece 
of software that is a competitor to puppet, but I remember who that was 
or what the name of the software is.  Hans does remember is checking 
with them to see if he is still on for Thursday.


When things get more solid, we'll announce something.

One way or another will have something on Thursday though.

Brian Cluff

On 06/11/2012 05:15 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Wish I knew.  We need Brian Cluff to chime in as he is probably the only
one who knows

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Re: konqueror errors

[Brian Cluff]

You can't just ignore those messages?  They just just informational and 
aren't hurting anything?


In any case, you can make everything that gets spit out on the terminal 
go away by running it like this:


konqueror 2&>1 >/dev/null lb.html

That might not be what you are looking for, but it will work on any 
program that you want to be totally quiet, but you won't be able to tell 
if/why it crashes, unless you redirect it to a file instead of /dev/null


Brian Cluff

On 06/09/2012 02:51 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


When I do (from the command line): firefox lb.htm ... it works perfectly.
No complaints.
When I do (from the command line): konqueror lb.htm ... it works fine,

but I get the series of complaints listed below.

Any idea how to stop those complaint messages?

Also, how can I execute either a firefox or konqueror activation of a
named 'htm' file from the command line without the terminal window having
to stay open?

$ konqueror lb.htm
konqueror(9218)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "konqbrowser" with
KXMLGUIFactory!
konqueror(9218)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "firefox" with
KXMLGUIFactory!
konqueror(9218)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "" with
KXMLGUIFactory!
QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent
QPainter::translate: Painter not active
QPainter::setClipRect: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
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Re: libre calc

[Brian Cluff]

Do you mean like this:
In Sheet1.A1
=HYPERLINK("#Sheet2",Sheet2.A1)

In Sheet2.A1
whatever you want

The first sheet should display the second sheets value and also link to it.

Brian Cluff

On 05/15/2012 03:06 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

How do you associate two fields together? What i mean is you have an
entry on one page and you want the same entry on another page and if you
click on one entry you are taken to the other entry

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Re: How to keep cups printing working?

[Brian Cluff]

Try checking the error policy for the printer.
Printers -> the printer that is having problems -> Set default options 
-> policies


Make sure that Error policy is set to "retry-job".  If it's set to "stop 
printer", every time you have any kind of printing error, the print 
server for that particular queue will be set to stopped, and I believe 
it will even survive a server reset or even a reboot.


If you have multiple users printing from this system or have it setup to 
serve to multiple machines, you might want to go to Administration and 
under server settings and check off "Allow users to cancel any job (not 
just their own)"  That way a print queue can't get jammed up by someone 
that printers something and then walks away leaving a bad print job 
jamming up the queue with no way for someone else to clear it.


As for your error, check the permissions for /etc/cups/printers.conf

If everything else fails, you can always edit that file directly and 
remove the section of config that corresponds with the offending printer.


Brian Cluff

On 03/07/2012 07:09 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


Cups printing had been working fine on my system for a long time,
but then recently it has begun to quit working correctly and I can't
figure out why. I can get it restarted sometimes, but then it will just
quit working again and I have to go through a bunch of steps to get it
restarted.

In the Control Center>>  System>>  Manage system services by enabling etc.
it shows cups running. Then I go to Hardware>  Configure printing and
scanning>  Set up printers, etc. Sometimes it shows the printer has
vanished and I have to reset it again. Other times it is there. When I do
'lpstat' it shows a document waiting to be printed, but it does not print.

How can I get this reset so it will not continually quit printing and have
to get restarted again? If 'lpstat' shows a document waiting to be printed
and it shows the printer to be enabled, but "idle" ... what command could I
use to get the printer to restart and print the waiting document?

$ lpstat -t ... shows the following:
scheduler is running
system default destination: HPLaserJet4
device for HPLaserJet4: ///dev/null
device for HPPSC1200: ipp://192.168.0.73:631/printers/HPPSC1200
HPLaserJet4 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST
HPPSC1200 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST
printer HPLaserJet4 is idle.  enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST
printer HPPSC1200 is idle.  enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST
HPLaserJet4-47  joe  66560   Fri 02 Mar 2012 08:44:02
PM MST

As root, I tried this: service cups restart ... and got this result:
Stopping CUPS printing system: [  OK  ]
Starting CUPS printing system: [  OK  ]
Re-enabling disabled print queues:

In the lpstat -t results, two printers appear, one of which was disconnected
from the system some time ago, but it still appears and I cannot find a way
to get it deleted.  I tried entering this in the web browser:
http://localhost:631 and the CUPS management page appears. I click on
Printers and selected HPPSC1200 and tried to delete that printer, but I
got this response: "403 Forbidden" as shown in this screen capture:

http://www.upquick.com/temp/cups.jpg

How can I get that non-existent printer removed from CUPS?



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Re: Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade experiences?

[Brian Cluff]

I've got 6 computers all running 12.04 and they all run very smoothly. 
I have had a few bumps along the way that were mostly cause by package 
dependency issues which I have found to be quite normal for an 
unreleased system.  There are just too many packages being upgrades too 
often during the development cycle to not break a few things every once 
in a while.


I should note that the 12.04 version that I as running is Kubuntu 
though, and unlike gnome/unity, KDE4 is several years into it's 
development cycle while gnome3/unity are towards the beginning of 
theirs, so you should expect them to be a lot more unstable in a 
distribution that isn't released yet.


Brian Cluff

On 03/01/2012 08:53 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

Just curious, has anyone had a *good* experience upgrading to 12.04
ubuntu yet? Has anyone had a *good* upgrade on ubuntu in somewhat recent
memory?

I'd upgraded to 12.04 a few weeks ago now, and have literally seen it go
from "ok with relics of brokenness" to "almost unusable" within a few
weeks and little fathomable explanation. The distro built thunderbird
crashes constantly (replaced with mozilla build for stability),
compiz/unity half-assed worked for a while, out of nowhere I can't even
get unity to launch (which is almost a plus in itself). Neither Gnome3
or Cinnamon work in it, Banshee/Rhythembox both are fairly unstable, AWN
task manager won't work with most applets (including the default task
manager), cairo is quirky as all getout, and there STILL ISN'T A REAL
SCREENSAVER BY DEFAULT!. I'm still irked libreoffice is forced upon me
and cant render M$ office xml files by default (that anyone but a linux
user has by default now), and it isn't getting any easier to install
openoffice to replace it. Most annoying is luks no longer accepts input
from my logitech wireless keyboard, forcing me upon reboot (which is
every other day since upgrade) to have to jack in a wired keyboard and
keep it at my desk for when ubuntu poops itself.

I'm at something of a crossroads with ubuntu, and just wondering if I'm
alone. Mint is immature, I haven't liked RH-based distro's before, but
leaning toward them now, and then there's the "just use win7 as a
windows manager" as I did for most of my windows-based life prior to
linux. Ubuntu's turned into an abortion for me, consistently eventually
hozing up a system despite whatever care I give to not agitate it.
Upgrades have typically been terrible experiences, usually ending up
installing clean to fix nasty relics of the upgrade, which begs then
"why bother to make an install?"

Literally crappy windows 95 "upgrades" come to mind, where it'll always
turn it into some unusable pile upon completion - which is about what
I'm left with after update-manager -d anymore. It doesn't matter whether
it's in alpha or final, the results are almost always the same beyond
8.04 for me.

Worst is every time something crashes ugly and I try to "send a report"
it just finds an arbitrary upgrade necessary as an excuse not to bother,
that would have me restart every 6 hours. I can't even easily try and
contribute anything to help!

Next time I have to flatten this, I'm going to have to go back to square
one to find a new distro - I just can't trust ubuntu to work adequately
for my needs anymore out of box or sustainable over time. Any they want
to use it in embedded applications?

-mb
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Re: Seeking a concise Linux installation checklist

[Brian Cluff]

For triple booting, you'll get the biggest bang for the buck by going 
with at least 4 partitions.


1) A partition for disto A
2) B partition for disto B
3) C swap partition that is shared between both distros
4) D home partition that is shared between both distros, this should be 
your biggest partition by far.


This setup will allow you to actually use the most amount of space on 
your hard drive as well as share your personal directories between the 
distros.


Brian Cluff

On 02/26/2012 03:51 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


Even after having done several Linux installations (some a lot more
challenging than others), I am still a bit intimidated by it.

Now, I'm about to undertake another and I hope the PLUG brain trust can
provide some guidance, perhaps a concise installation checklist for this
next attempt.  I have a box with win-xp installed on a 100-gig HD and I
need the following:

1. How (most efficiently) to shrink and repartition for a dual boot with
xp on perhaps 20 gig and the rest for installing two Linux distros.

2. I've installed PCLinuxOS several times and I (by far) prefer the older
version with KDE 3.5, so I want to put it on one set of partitions using
about 20-gig.

3. On the rest, I want to install whatever Redhat based distro might work
best with Virtual Box (which I have never been able to get to work
before).
Some have recommended Cent OS (I've been told that there is a KDE 3.5
version available).

Any guidance to make this as concise, easy, and efficient as possible for
a 20-year perpetual "newbie" user would be extremely appreciated. ;)





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Re: sorting 512.192 emails

[Brian Cluff]

Sounds like the easiest way for you might be to setup a different 
program and attach onto your gmail account with IMAP.  Then you should 
be able to slice and dice your email without being hindered by the web 
interface.


Brian

On 12/31/2011 04:08 AM, Technomage Hawke wrote:

that apparently works in standard GUI mode, but trying it in basic html using a 
screenreader did not yield the expected result as there was no select all 
button.

I will have to determine an alternative means.

-eric

On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:


Might 
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=487246c51f78db43&hl=en 
help?

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Technomage Hawke  
wrote:
well,
I just spent a better part of 18 hours trying to cull out the ever expanding 
girth of my email accounts. in that 19 hours, I reduced the all mail folder by 
259,213 emails using the only web interface that has no tools for the blind in 
it. its not like I want to keep all that email. it was starting to take so much 
space that I was getting nasty grains from google about it.

the lesson here: go through your mail folders and clean them up. it is rather 
fast how much that 1,000+ mails a day can clog up the works.

now I have to invent a better way to do this.

-eric

oh, and merry christmas, happy new year and all the other holidays in between.

-eric
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Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to 
multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or 
CC:. Also remove all of the addresses from the message body before forwarding 
the message. These simple measures prevent spy programs from capturing the 
addresses shown in the recipient list and the message body.
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Re: How to Restrict a User's Access Using SFTP?

[Brian Cluff]

Take a look at the rssh package, it has the ability to put users into a 
chroot jail as well as restrict them to only being able to use certain 
commands like sftp.
See the README in /usr/share/doc/rssh for details on how to set the 
chroot jail up.


Brian Cluff

On 12/27/2011 10:46 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

I need to give a user access to my web server via sftp to upload web
site changes. What is the best way to do this? I have several other
sites on the same server, so I want to prevent them or anyone else who
gains access to their account from being able to make changes to those
sites or other parts of the server.

Thanks,

Mark


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Re: ethernet wiring

[Brian Cluff]

First off, you shouldn't need to strip the wires when putting them into 
the jack,  The jacks are designed to cut through the shielding and make 
a connection directly though the shielding.  In fact, I'll bet that the 
connections are much more likely to corrode if you strip them first.


As for the color sequence.  They change a bit depending on what style of 
jack you have and how much the wires twist inside the jack itself.  Just 
go ahead and wire up the jack in the color order that the jack dictates 
and it shouldn't matter if they are in different physical orders on the 
back of the jack.


As for the Jack that shows yellow brown white red etc... It sounds like 
you got a hold of an rj45 based telecom jack.  I would take that back 
and get one that is made for networking.  You could probably get it to 
work just fine if you can figure out the correct wiring order, but why 
not do it right in the first place...


Brian

On 11/20/2011 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

So I'm connecting my brothers computer to the internet . I ran the wire
under the house yesterday (I let him do that... I didn't want to get
dirty) and drilled a hole today and fed the cable through the hole. Then
I stripped the cable; first the blue pair, then the green pair, the.
I'm sure you get the point. Anyways I'm all excited because now I'm
going to connect the wires to the jack, then I'll do the other side,
then my brother is in business! Except I sit down to connect the other
side when I see a nightmare: instead of blue-green-orange-brown wires
the colors of the wires are blue, orange, black, red, green, yellow,
brown, and white; each designated with a number: 1 to 8. Any idea how I
should wire these?

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Re: PLUG website: Calendar subscription?

[Brian Cluff]

On 11/06/2011 10:58 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Silly question?  This looks like a static download of the current
schedule for that event.  So if the schedule is changed, the users
calendar to which they have imported the iCal they downloased never sees
the change.  Correct?


I believe that it depends on if you load the ical file directly into 
your calendar, or if you point your calendar at the URL for the ical 
file.  The latter method should be updated on a regular basis.


Brian Cluff

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Re: PLUG website: Calendar subscription?

[Brian Cluff]

You can still do this.  Click on the Calendar tab, and then click on the 
particular event that you want to subscribe to.  Once that even page 
come up, look for an icon that is in the upper right corner of the 
description of the event that looks like a calendar with a little clock 
over it.  That is your link to the ical info.
I've got the meetings that I regularly go to imported into my google 
calendar... it works great!


Brian

On 11/05/2011 06:32 PM, Bill Lindley wrote:

There used to be an ical link on the PLUG website, but apparently that
went away a few years ago.

I would like to subscribe to PLUG's calendar on Thunderbird or Gmail, is
there a way to do this?

\\/

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Re: netmask in a script

[Brian Cluff]

I've never had a need to do any bit twiddling in bash... thanks for this 
solution,  It was very educational.


Brian Cluff

On 10/27/2011 11:43 AM, Dale Farnsworth wrote:

Larry wrote:

I would like to apply a netmask to an arbitrary IP in a bash/dash script
(e.g. apply 255.255.255.0 to 173.10.3.155 to get 173.10.3.0).  Is there any
easy way to do that without taking the IP apart, doing 4 operations and
reassembling the results?


I know you said without disassembly/reassembly, but here are some
bash functions that apply the mask using disassembly/reassembly.

= begin ===
to_int()
{
# Convert from dotted-quad to integer
local i=$1
local OIFS="$IFS"
IFS=.
i=($i)
IFS="$OIFS"
echo $(((${i[0]}<<  24) + (${i[1]}<<  16) + (${i[2]}<<  8) + ${i[3]}))
}

to_ip()
{
# Covert from integer to dotted-quad
local d=$1
echo $(($d>>  24)).$(($d>>  16&  255)).$(($d>>  8&  255)).$(($d&255))
}

and_ip()
{
# And two ip addresses in dotted-quad format
local ip1=$1
local ip2=$2
echo $(to_ip $(($(to_int $ip1)&  $(to_int $ip2
}
= end ===

Just pass the ip and netmask to and_ip:
Example:

$ and_ip 11.22.33.44 255.255.255.0
11.22.33.0

-Dale
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Re: netmask in a script

[Brian Cluff]

Is this along the lines of what you are looking for?
You'll need to install ipcalc first

#!/bin/bash
TEMP=$(ifconfig eth0 |grep 'inet addr')
ADDRESS=$(echo $TEMP|cut -f2 -d:)
ADDRESS=${ADDRESS% *}
MASK=$(echo $TEMP|cut -f4 -d:)
NETTEMP=$(ipcalc $ADDRESS/$MASK|grep Network)
NETTEMP=${NETTEMP#*: }
NETWORK=${NETTEMP%/*}
echo $NETWORK

Brian Cluff

On 10/26/2011 09:49 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I would like to apply a netmask to an arbitrary IP in a bash/dash script
(e.g. apply 255.255.255.0 to 173.10.3.155 to get 173.10.3.0).Is there
any easy way to do that without taking the IP apart, doing 4 operations
and reassembling the results?

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occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
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Re: suggestions for Buying a small server?

[Brian Cluff]

For what you described, as long as you don't need huge amounts of CPU 
horsepower, something like this:

http://www.provantage.com/supermicro-sys-5015a-ehf-d525~7SUP928X.htm
looks like it will more than fit your needs and budget.  If your are 
just serving to a classroom full of students, this should be more than 
adequate.


Brian Cluff

On 10/16/2011 08:33 PM, Phillip Waclawski wrote:

I'm in the market for a small, cheap server machine to replace the aging
Dell Workstations I'm using for my students (Pentium III Coppermine...
really ;).

I don't need anything special in the way of graphics. Need 2-4 Gigs of
Ram ( to be honest, haven't had issues with the 512Meg I have in the
existing ones).

Just want something stable, able to take 2 or more SATA drives and not
be much of a power hog. I'll be using CentOS 6 on them. And I'd like to
keep it in the low range for the student server, under $500 if I can.

Dennis Kibbe has suggested some of the HP Proliant Micro Servers, and
they do look interesting. I figured I'd just ask this group for some of
their opinions,

Phil Waclawski
MCC CIS Faculty


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Re: OT: Netflix and Linux and LAN

[Brian Cluff]

I've got PS3, a blueray player and a roku that all support netflix.  My 
favorite by far is the roku.  It's the fastest and the most versatile 
netflix interface I've encountered so far.  You would think that the PS3 
would be the fastest since it's practically a super computer compared to 
the other 2, but it's actually the slowest.




Brian Cluff

On 09/13/2011 10:28 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

I am thinking of getting Netflix, and I am trying to figure out how to
distribute it to several TVs in the house, and I was wondering if anyone
else has solved this problem. We currently have cox Internet and cable.

The options I found revolve around buying one of a variety of "boxes"
for each TV and have them access netflix via WiFi. The boxes include
googleTV, ROKU, Wii, etc. It looks to me that the ROKU boxes are the
least expensive and offer access to the most services. Anyone have any
experience doing this? Any major pitfalls to watch out for? Is WiFi fast
enough for streaming video, or should I get the more expensive boxes and
use a wired LAN?

Are there any Linux options for distributing Netflix shows over a LAN? I
read that the DRM software used by Netflix is incompatible with Linux,
so perhaps this is a non-starter?

Thanks for sharing any experiences you may have had with Netflix, Linux,
and LANs.

Mark



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Re: PLUG Security Team Meets tomorrow 3PM-6PM @Makerbench in Tempe - BlackHat/DefCon Video Series

[Brian Cluff]

Is it meeting tomorrow (which you put in the subject), which is Friday, 
or 2 Tomorrows from now (which you put in the body), which is Saturday?


Brian Cluff

On 09/08/2011 09:54 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

We will be presenting the 2011 BlackHat/DefCon 19 Videos every 2nd
Saturday@ MakerBench <http://www.makerbench.com/about> in Tempe  3PM-6PM.

Maker Bench Tempe is located at 2010 E University, Drive Suite #4, in Tempe

http://www.makerbench.com/about/

If you missed a certain presentation at DefCon this year, send me an
email request and we will show it.

The 3rd Saturday of Every Month is the Lab HackFest @gangplankhq.com
<http://gangplankhq.com> in Chandler from Noon-3PM.  Next week we will
be evaluating a variety of distros (and rebuilding the VMWare System in
VirtualBox [since we can now run Metasploitable in newer VB]).
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Re: East and West Stammtische

[Brian Cluff]

...and is the west side stammtisch even happening?

Brian

On 07/19/2011 02:00 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

The calendar shows them both to be the third Tuesday of the month.  Is
that correct?

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Re: How to access a server http port 80 with port forwarding behind a router but require a password

[Brian Cluff]

If you just don't want you web server to show up at all, I think that I 
would just use port knocking.  This won't truly secure your information 
as someone would be able to figure out your knock sequence by just 
listening in on the traffic goinging to your machine, but if your after 
hiding it more than securing it, it's a great way to go, and most likely 
nobody will be listing anyway.


Brian

On 06/30/2011 05:22 PM, leeg...@speedymail.org wrote:

Hi,

Using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.

I have an intranet server behind a NAT router. Very standard linksys
router home setup. The server has a static IP. I used port forwarding in
the router to use SSH and log into the server remotely - it works OK.

I want no one outside my home network to access any webpages on the
server unless they're authenticated.. I know I could port forward like
with ssh but with http port 80 and then see webpages , but again this
would open it up to anyone with my cable modem's IP - wouldn't it?

I need a secure way like SSH that requires a password before anyone
could access port 80 and http from the server from a remote network.

How do I do this? And on the local network people can get served pages
normally as usual. Just remote would need authentication. Must be
commonly done(?)

Thanks,

Lee G.
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Re: Possible Repost (Sorry) Windows 7 vs Ubuntu

[Brian Cluff]

The update-grub command (which just points to grub-mkconfig) just 
assembles grub's config file.  The MBR remains unchanged until you do a 
grub-install, so your drives should be 100% intact unless you've done 
something to them trying to "fix" them.


That being said, other OSes are added to the grub menu via the os-prober 
package.  If you don't want them to show up at all, you can simply 
remove that package... but I'll bet you want at least one of them to 
show up.


Larry is probably right in that the os-prober is simply finding some 
left over remnant from a previous windows install that probably doesn't 
do anything, so you can just safely ignore it and just use the menu item 
that does work.


Brian Cluff


On 06/05/2011 11:29 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Carlton,

Doing  the sudo update=grub would have replaced the MBR on sda unless
you specified otherwise.  That should not be a problem unless you
actually WANT to be unplugging and plugging drive to change what boots.
The Win7 loader it found for sdb is probably an artifact of how it was
formatted.  It should not work if it is a data drive as you say.  It is
possible to remove that entry from the grub menu but you need to do it
correctly.

I am not sure you are up to this but here is link to a discussion of
doing this.
http://www.bodhilinux.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1028-how-to-grub2-hide-windows-recovery-partition/

If you are not sure of yourself doing this, ypu could bring your system
to an installfest and I can do it for you.

Larry

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Carlton Brooks mailto:li...@carltonbrooks.net>> wrote:

I have 3 HARD DRIVES. Drive 1 (sda) is a Windows 7 Drive. Drive 2 (sdb)
is a data drive. Drive 3 (sdc) is an Ubuntu 11.04 drive.

I just upgraded to 11.04 by disconnecting sda and sdb. I then installed
11.04. I then reconnect all the drives

After install I did a sudo update-grub. It displayed the following

Generating grub.cfg ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sdb1
done

I have no idea why 2 Windows.

Then ran fdisk -l. It displayed the following

Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000203804160 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xda607973

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   1  121601   976759008+   b  W95 FAT32

Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000203804160 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xda607971

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *   1  13  1024007  HPFS/NTFS
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdb2  13  121601   9766563847  HPFS/NTFS

Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0009ca99

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *   1  120558   968373248   83  Linux
/dev/sdc2  120558  121602 83865615  Extended
/dev/sdc5  120558  121602 8386560   82  Linux swap /
Solaris

Now when I boot up it shows the grub menu, and lists all the choices,
but when the Windows sda1 is picked it reboots. When sdb1 is picked it
says I have a windows error.

I beleive I have corrupted or destroyed the Windows MBR or Boot Record.
I have attempted to fix it using the Windows disk but still does not
work.

Any help would be appreciated.

Carlton Brooks



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Re: May west side mtg topic?

[Brian Cluff]

Google images has a whole bunch of pictures of the side of may West:
http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=may+west&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=973&bih=735

:)

Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2011 12:22 AM, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

the May west side meeting is a week from tonight ( Wed the 25th ). Anyone
have a topic they want to present? The meeting is at DeVry near the
Glendale stadium, Cabellas and the Wildlife World Zoo ( home to some
gentoo penguins ).

Bryan O'Neal will be giving his ABLEconf presentation on cloud computing
in August.

http://www.ABLEconf.com/2011/Phoenix/Presentations#Commodity-Services-Elastic-Computing-Services


ciao,

der.hans


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Re: ON Topic Request For Opinions

[Brian Cluff]

On 05/09/2011 01:32 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote:

Obviously not obvious.
So, you have no opinion on KDE's default settings?


I agree with their default settings, if you had separate widgets on by 
default, it would be a lot more difficult for new users.  Also haveing 
separate backgrounds on by default would use a LOT more ram... which is 
why I don't use them, even though I have plenty of ram.


Brian
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Re: ON Topic Request For Opinions

[Brian Cluff]

You can still do it in KDE 4.x, but you do it in a different way since 
the background is now provided by a plasma widgets (plasmoids).


If you want to put different stuff, including backgrounds on each 
virtual desktop, just go to System Setting -> Workspace Behavior and 
pick the Virtual Desktops section from the left.  Then just check off 
"Different widgets for each desktop"


Then all you have to do is setup a widget such as Desktop (The default), 
or folder view on each desktop and set the appropriate background for 
each desktop.  It's actually a LOT more versatile that the old way of 
doing things, although admittedly a lot less obvious.


Better yet, setup a separate Activity and you can then flip back and 
forth between large sets of tasks opting to hide programs started on one 
activity from the other activities or not.


This will also let you flip back and forth between a netbook type 
interface that you have dialed in for web activities and a more 
traditional desktop for other activities.


Brian Cluff

On 05/08/2011 08:51 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote:

Hiya,

I've had lots of fun installing distro after distro,
some of which have had severe limitations,
some of which are really well-thought-out systems.

The window manager seems to contain my main Linux issue.
In ignorance of Unity, the one question I have for
experienced Linux folks only concerns the *workspace switcher*.
Or maybe you call it the *Desktop switcher*.
All the GUIs have it. None flaunt it. In fact, most are
now hiding it. New composting effects with Widgets prevent
users visualizing multiple Desktops. By that I mean:

*Why is there no ability to set a different wallpaper to each Workspace?
*
IMHO only KDE 3.x can do this. (v.4.x removed it.)
The average Microsoft/"Power User"/ is floored when they see it.
Has Gnome ever been able to do this? Not that I've seen.

It's my opinion that multi-workspace SHOULD *default* to multi-wallpaper.
And why not? What's your opinion?

(-: Chas.M. :-)



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Re: Help with fstab additions

[Brian Cluff]

I just tried doing this on my machine.  I gave it 10 ISOs and they all 
mounted fine until I ram out of loop devices, so only 8 mounts.


I just went to look at the name of the ubuntu ISO for 10.04 and I think 
you might have a typo unless you changed the names of the ones on your 
system.  the name I have is:ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
The one in your fstab has an extra zero after the 10.04.  I'm guessing 
the same typo happenes with the 10.04.1 version as well.


I hope that's it because I can't reproduce your problem :(

Sorry again for the brain fart I had with the file system/options thing.

Brian Cluff

On 05/02/2011 11:05 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Trimmed all past discussion just to save space.

PROGRESS:
- The comma should NOT be there as it is not part of the type, it is an
option allowing a user to do the mount.
- The reason the first two and the last two fail is for some reason the
file is not found even though it is really there.  I suspect something
like wierd syntactical thing or a buffer overflow, or ...   I will have
to look at this more.
- When I dumped the comma and did a sudo mount -a, I got

larry@fogtest:~$ sudo mount -a
mount: special device
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-i386.iso
does not exist
mount: special device
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.01-desktop-amd64.iso
does not exist
mount:
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso is
not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
mount:
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso is
not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
mount: special device
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-i386.iso does
not exist
mount: special device
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-amd64.iso
does not exist


so I tried the following an got back where I started so I think I can
put the loop back now and work at figuring out why it can find the
legitimate files.

larry@fogtest:~$ sudo mount -a -o loop
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-i386.iso:
No such file or directory
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.01-desktop-amd64.iso:
No such file or directory
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-i386.iso: No
such file or directory
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-amd64.iso: No
such file or directory
larry@fogtest:~$ mount
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw)
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/larry/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon
(rw,nosuid,nodev,user=larry)
/dev/loop0 on /tftpboot/howtogeek/linux/ubu1010DL32 type iso9660
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/dev/loop1 on /tftpboot/howtogeek/linux/ubu1010DL64 type iso9660
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)



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Re: Help with fstab additions

[Brian Cluff]

Oops, I read that wrong the first time.  You do not want a comma between 
iso9660 and user.  My brain read them all as the option section and the 
lack of a comma would have been wrong in that case.


Brian Cluff

On 05/02/2011 10:43 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Interesting.  Putting the comma in all 6 lines made them all fail one at
a time.  The failure message in /var/log/boot.log says

mount: unknown filesystem type 'loop'
mountall: mount /tftpboot/howtogeek/linux/ubu1004DL32 [745] terminated
with status 32

and I find no reference to loop in a man fstab though I do in mount.  I
am wondering if the guide I am using may have been written by someone
who manually mounted as a loop device and then wrote the article and
assumed it was a valid type for fstab.   I have
never understood loop devices.  Is that why you said you did not know
why any of them worked?


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

I can't tell you why any of them work, but there appears to be a
missing comma between iso9660 and user on all the lines.

As for the nfs stuff, nfs requires you to add either the
"subtree_check" or "no_subtree_check" option to the exports file for
every line these days.

Brian


On 05/02/2011 08:21 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I've added these 6 lines to /etc/fstab on this machine:


  /home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-i386.iso
/mnt/ubu1004DL32
udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0

  /home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1004DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso
 /mnt/ubu1010DL32udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1010DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-i386.iso
 /mnt/ubu1104DL32udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1104DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0


Problem is that only the middle two seem to work.  The first one (or
more) show an error on screen and give 2 options before the gdm
login
but gdm comes up too soon to do anything.  After logging in I find

May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [2]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/images/dev".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [3]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1004DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [4]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1004DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [5]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1010DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [6]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1010DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [7]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1104DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [8]:
Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1104DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
   

Re: Help with fstab additions

[Brian Cluff]

I can't tell you why any of them work, but there appears to be a missing 
comma between iso9660 and user on all the lines.


As for the nfs stuff, nfs requires you to add either the "subtree_check" 
or "no_subtree_check" option to the exports file for every line these days.


Brian

On 05/02/2011 08:21 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

I've added these 6 lines to /etc/fstab on this machine:

/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-i386.iso
/mnt/ubu1004DL32
udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.04/ubuntu-10.04.02-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1004DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso
 /mnt/ubu1010DL32udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1010DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-i386.iso
 /mnt/ubu1104DL32udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0
/home/larry/isofiles/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.11-desktop-amd64.iso
/mnt/ubu1104DL64udf,iso9660 user,loop 0 0


Problem is that only the middle two seem to work.  The first one (or
more) show an error on screen and give 2 options before the gdm login
but gdm comes up too soon to do anything.  After logging in I find

May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [2]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/images/dev".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [3]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1004DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [4]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1004DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [5]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1010DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [6]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1010DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [7]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1104DL32".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x
May  2 19:49:11 fogtest exportfs[1100]: /etc/exports [8]: Neither
'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export
"*:/mnt/ubu1104DL64".#012  Assuming default behaviour
('no_subtree_check').#012  NOTE: this default has changed since
nfs-utils version 1.0.x


from processing /etc/exports for nfs.  I don't think this means
anythoing about why only 2 of the 6 gets mounted.  Any ideas?

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Re: Kubuntu 11.04 Problem

[Brian Cluff]

I forgot one other thing.  In the phonon config, click on the "Speaker 
Setup" tab and where is says "Sound Card" select the HDMI device and 
then set profile to "Off"


You can probably get away with only doing the above step since it makes 
the device unavailable to the system afterwards.


Again, you may need to reboot for the setting to take full effect.

Brian Cluff

On 05/01/2011 11:09 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:

Most of the missing sound problems I have seen lately have been caused
my support for HDMI sound being added. If you have an HDMI proport on
your computer/laptop. this is probably what happened.

If you don't ever plan on using HDMI, you can locate the hdmi sound
module with lsmod. The module name probably has hdmi in it, then add
that module to be blacklisted in a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/

A better, but potentially, less permanent thing to do would be to go
into your multimedia settings, select phonon. Then move the device that
is names something like "internal audio analog stereo" to be the top
item in the list. Then at the bottom click on "Apply Device List To".
That will pop up a new window. Just check off all the boxes and click OK.

Double check that your volume is turned up and see if things start working.

You might need to reboot to get everything to be sorted out as well.

Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff

On 05/01/2011 08:01 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:



I upgraded by clean installing it.

I screwed around with it.
I*broke* it. :-(


What WAS wrong: AUDIO not working like I wanted.

What ( I ) did: Removed all pulse audio apps,removed 2nd Sound card and
reactivated on-board audio
What is wrong: NO sound from Amarok, boot up sound IS there. Nothing
Sound related working.
What I am NOW asking: Is there a way to get Kubuntu to go back in and
setup Audio like it does when it is installing itself, WITHOUT
re-installling the whole OS... again.


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Re: Kubuntu 11.04 Problem

[Brian Cluff]

Most of the missing sound problems I have seen lately have been caused 
my support for HDMI sound being added.  If you have an HDMI proport on 
your computer/laptop. this is probably what happened.


If you don't ever plan on using HDMI, you can locate the hdmi sound 
module with lsmod.  The module name probably has hdmi in it, then add 
that module to be blacklisted in a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/


A better, but potentially, less permanent thing to do would be to go 
into your multimedia settings, select phonon.  Then move the device that 
is names something like "internal audio analog stereo" to be the top 
item in the list.  Then at the bottom click on "Apply Device List To". 
That will pop up a new window.  Just check off all the boxes and click OK.


Double check that your volume is turned up and see if things start working.

You might need to reboot to get everything to be sorted out as well.

Hope that helps,
Brian Cluff

On 05/01/2011 08:01 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:



I upgraded by clean installing it.

I screwed around with it.
I*broke*  it.  :-(


   What WAS wrong:AUDIO not working like I wanted.

What ( I ) did: Removed all pulse audio apps,removed 2nd Sound card and
reactivated on-board audio
What is wrong: NO sound from Amarok, boot up sound IS there. Nothing
Sound related working.
What I am NOW asking: Is there a way to get Kubuntu to go back in and
setup Audio like it does when it is installing itself, WITHOUT
re-installling the whole OS... again.


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Re: iptables help

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My guess is that your iptables rule is a little too generic and is 
shoving everything through dansguardian no matter where it comes from or 
heading to... something like if you see traffic destined for port 80 
redirect it to dansguardian.


If thats the case, you might want to change that rule to specify that 
you only want port 80 forwarded if the packets come in from eth0,

or change the rule say not your ip address of your external IP
or put in a rule above your redirect rule specifically accepting traffic 
for port 80 when destined for your external IP or eth1


Brian Cluff

On 04/28/2011 05:41 PM, Nathan England wrote:

I'm running a fedora 14 machine with eth0 being internal and eth1
being external. It is setup for transparent proxying with dansguardian
and squid. All works well. I also have apache running for web
development on port 80, and I can access it. However, I want to access
that web server from the outside world. I cannot for the life of me
(atleast within the limits of my patience) get port 80 open on the
external interface so I can access the web server.

Can anyone offer some advice to make iptables show me some love? Or
can I not do this all on the one machine?




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Re: Looking for used IDE Laptop hard drive

[Brian Cluff]

This place still carries them.  Usually they have used, guaranteed, ones 
for sale, but it looks like they are all new right now.  If you have a 
little bit to wait, you can check back daily until a cheap used one show up.


http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?Cat=414

Brian Cluff

On 04/16/2011 10:17 AM, leeg...@speedymail.org wrote:

Hi,

Would anyone have a used, internal, hopefully working, ATA IDE (not the
newer SATA kind) LAPTOP hard drive for sale?

Many thanks,

Lee G.
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Re: OT: Alternate Work for Linux Admins

[Brian Cluff]

I don't exactly think that a bunch of geeks with "day star" allergies 
are what they are looking for. :)


Not to mention it looks like a scam.

Brian Cluff

On 04/15/2011 05:35 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

Found the following on PHX CL:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tfr/2327662880.html

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Re: PLUG East Topic and Reminder

[Brian Cluff]

I thought I would add that if you have any friends that would like to 
know something about Inkscape but have the misfortune to have Windows 
installed on their system, you can consider this topic for bring your 
Muggel to PLUG day :)  The talk won't contain anything Linux specific, 
and therefore good for Inkscape on all platforms.


Brian

On 04/12/2011 03:15 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

The topic for the East side PLUG meeting this month will be an
introduction to Inkscape with several tutorials on how to do some common
items.

Presented by Brian Cluff (Me)

The plug meeting will be held at it regular date/time at 7PM this
Thursday at MCC. For more details see
http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/34-east-valley-meeting.html

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Humble "Frozen" bundle

[Brian Cluff]

I've gotten in on all the bundles so far and it's been totally worth it. 
 I particularly wanted to get in on this one because I was wanting to 
purchase Trine anyway, and since it's brand new on the linux platform, I 
wanted to let them know that Linux is a good place to put there games.


The current bundle:

"Pay what you want for three awesome DRM-free games on Mac, Windows, and 
Linux: Trine, Shadowgrounds: Survivor, and Shadowgrounds. Additionally, 
your Frozenbyte bundle includes a preorder for Splot and a prototype 
with source code for Jack Claw. Choose to support the Electronic 
Frontier Foundation and the Child's Play Charity at the same time."


http://www.humblebundle.com

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Re: hot new PC

[Brian Cluff]

It's too bad the rest of the computers beyond the C=64 don't look like 
their old counterparts.  My all time favorite computer out of commodore 
was the Amiga 3000, but their new version looks nothing like the 
original, they didn't even bother to make it the same color.


That being said, the design of the computer inside the keyboard could be 
rather nice for a lot of purposes.


Brian Cluff

On 04/08/2011 08:55 AM, Jill R wrote:

For anyone looking for a new computer, the Commodore 64 now runs Ubuntu!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/faster-forward/post/meet-the-new-commodore-64/2011/04/07/AFoIvuwC_blog.html?wpisrc=nl_tech
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Re: The devil you know

[Brian Cluff]

I absolutely agree with you about the initial switch to KDE that 
kubuntu, as well as a number of other distros, did and if you went to 
Aaron Seigo's talk at ableconf a year and a half ago you would have 
heard his spit a lot of venom at a lot of the distros for adopting KDE4 
as their primary KDE desktop well before it had the official blessing 
from the KDE authors.  The way I see it is that they are both at fault 
because although the KDE people did say that 4.0 was only meant to be a 
preview release in order to get people developing for the new system 
they did give it a "dot oh" release which implies a certain amount of 
"doneness/readyness".


Fast forward to 2009 and you get a KDE release that actually has the 
blessing of the authors and it was pretty good, a little rough, but 
usable.  I still wouldn't blame someone for not dealing with the little 
bit of roughness... although I would have called 4.3 the 4.0 release.


These days with 4.6.1 it again feels like a complete, fast, stable, 
desktop.  And although it's a different system than the original, I 
don't feel feel like I'm using a completely different desktop than 3.5. 
 The defaults tend to use the new versions of things like the new 
fangled K menu, dolphin instead of konqueror...etc...etc, but they seem 
to have really gone out of their way to make available configurations 
that act exactly like the old KDE 3.5 versions of things... with that 
being said, I've forced myself to use a lot of the new stuff just to see 
why they decided to make the switch and for the most part I get it and 
tend to use the new stuff.  The new menu with it's quick search feature 
has me very rarely plowing through the various menus trying to find 
where a program is locations, and dolphin launches much more quickly 
than konqueror and makes me feel more like I'm using a file browser and 
less like I'm using a web browser, image viewer thingy that happens to 
also be a file browser.


I guess what I'm trying to say, is if it's been a while since you used 
KDE4, you should really give it another honest try.  It really doesn't 
resemble the steaming pile of crap that the first few releases acted like.


Brian Cluff

On 03/24/2011 08:23 AM, James Finstrom wrote:

It was a dark stormy night in 2005. A stranger in a trench coat
approached and handed me a CD. I no longer had to fight the benign
little issues nor did I have to put any effort in to make my laptop run
Linux. Alas I have been using derivatives of Ubuntu ever since. I used
Kbuntu for years then they decided to move to KDE 4 which lacked my
ability to like it. I switched over to gnome and we have become good
friends. Ok lets get to the point. I am getting a new laptop today and I
am debating of weather I should stick with Ubuntu who has never done me
wrong or do I try something new.  I have no issues from a technical or
moral standpoint with Ubuntu and am happy to use it until I do. That
being said It has been almost 6 years and there have been many new
distros born and old ones brought up to par so I would like feed back. I
do wish to stay in the Debian family tree but outside of that I am open
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PLUG/DEV/INSTALL/ETC booth volunteer(s) at ableconf

[Brian Cluff]

I would like to see PLUG directly represented at ableconf for those 
attendees that aren't already coming or aware of the group... it would 
be a good place for UAT students to get info while they are wandering 
around.


What we need is 1 very committed person, or more preferably several 
people so that they can all trade off and allow everyone to go to the 
talks that they would like to go to.


How 'bout it.. do I have any volunteers?

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Re: New Server for PLUG Server a Brand New Website

[Brian Cluff]

Yup, you need to create new accounts.  We'll probably be getting rid of 
the new account funcationality since there isn't any reason for someone 
that isn't going to edit the website to have an account.  That could 
change in the future but for now it's not worth dealing with the 
headaches caused by the a-holes trying to spam the site.


I'll be doing a presentation next month on how things are done on the 
new site and after that we can decide who has access to what.


Brian

On 03/18/2011 09:01 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

Nicely done Brian.  I don't seem to be able to log in though. And if I
tell it I forgot my password then when I give it my email address it
says invalid token.  Do we need to create a new account on the new server?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Lisa Kachold mailto:lisakach...@obnosis.com>> wrote:

WOOO!!!

Looks good!

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:07 AM, PLUG Announcements
mailto:plug-annou...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>> wrote:

We've had a new (to us) server donated to PLUG.  This is now in
place and with it we have a new website with a brand new unique
template.

All these changes should give us a server that can spit out web
pages significantly faster than the old server and allow it to
survive a simple crawl from a search engine without being
brought to it's knees.

We have also moved to a new CMS that should be much easier for
people to learn and therefore be easier for someone to donate
their time to help with the website.

Please look over the website and let me know if you see any
glaring problems with it.

Many thanks go to Alan Dayley who donated the previous server.
  I can't remember when exactly when it was put into service but
we received 7+ years of service out of it.  And although it's
still a perfectly functional machine, it's only a PIII 800 with
512Mb of ram.  It just couldn't keep up with the world of 2011
anymore.

Also many thanks go to der.hans for donating the new server,
Jill R for doing the initial load of the server.

And lastly, you can throw thanks or eggs whatever you feel
appropriate at me, Brian Cluff for the website redesign.
  (Please try to be nice though... throw the eggs softly)

Now go check it out.

Brian Cluff

PS If anyone would have use for the old PLUG webserver, it's a
2U rack mount HP server with 4 18gig SCSI drives, hardware RAID
controller in addition to the specs listed previously.  It's
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Re: New Server for PLUG Servering a Brand New Website

[Brian Cluff]

The only real problem with using this old beastie as a firewall is that 
it probably pulls somewhere around 200 watts of power, so you could save 
a ton of money very quickly by simply purchasing an ARM or ATOM based 
computer at full price and using that for a firewall.  It should pay for 
itself in around 6 months via it's greatly reduced power usage.


Brian Cluff

On 03/18/2011 12:20 AM, Technomage Hawke wrote:

A PIII 80 Mhz eh? thats a good firewall box. I have one even
older than that still operating here (PII 400Mhz 256 MB ram using
openbsd 4.1). with over 1.5K days in operation, its been very
reliable.  so? if anyone wants a firewall box setup using that old
server, I can put the OS in place and setup PF for them.

-Eric

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Re: web conference

[Brian Cluff]

Last time we streamed the meetings, a lot of people stopped coming in 
favor of watching them from home.  Then our video capture card burned up 
and we decided that we were probably doing more harm than good.


I can think of a lot more fun things to do on a Thursday night than to 
perform in front of a camera for free without the social interaction 
that makes PLUG really worth it.


I would be more in favor of recording the meetings and eventually 
posting them on the website at a later date.


Brian Cluff

On 03/05/2011 05:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

We could even use these to web cast our plug meetings ;)

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Crawford Rainwater
  wrote:

Folks:

Linux ETC can host both Big Blue Button with a Drupal front end as well as 
OpenMeetings.  I emailed the PLUG Mailman list managers inquiring if PLUG would 
be interested in using either of these for the PLUG meetings as well, but have 
not heard back on that topic.  Linux ETC is hosting for a few other LUGs around 
the US for reference as a donated service.

For specifics and details on our end:

http://www.linux-etc.com/web-conference

If there are specifics, feel free to email me directly as well as post them to 
the PLUG list.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

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Re: (Slightly OT) Weird PDF Printing Problem

[Brian Cluff]

On 02/11/2011 07:15 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

Can't seem to open the page with gedit, but I could with gimp. It then
printed correctly from gimp. Wierd.


Gimp would have rendered everything to a bitmap, so it would have simply 
needed to send a bitmap to the printer rather than some postscript with 
embedded images.


Makes sense and a good work around to keep in mind.

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Re: (Slightly OT) Weird PDF Printing Problem

[Brian Cluff]

Usually when I've seen this type of problem is was due to using a driver 
that was passing along a PDF relatively unchanged to the printer and 
then the printer was gaging on something that it didn't understand, 
either certain font properties or images.
If you have the option of using a different driver, say one from 
openprinting, gutenprint, or if you aren't already using it, the one 
from HPLIP which is usually the most preferable.


Brian Cluff

On 02/11/2011 05:39 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

This problem may be Linux related...A friend send me a pdf he made
on a shudder...Windows machine. It displays properly in my spiffy
Debian testing machine (all images are present), but when I print the
page on my Linux compatible HP printer, some of the images are missing.
I have never had this problem with other PDF documents sent to me, nor
with the pdf pages I create using open office, nor cups print to pdf. He
says the page prints with all the images in place on his printer.

Any ideas on what may be going on would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

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Re: LinkedIn Connect Request

[Brian Cluff]

LOL didn't come from AOL, I was seeing it used on IRC before AOL existed 
and years before AOL was ever hooked to the Internet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lol

I usually saw the variation on LMAO used most in the channels I frequented.

Brian Cluff

On 02/02/2011 09:18 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:




On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:47 PM, keith smith mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


LOL


Did you know that any self respecting Unix/Linux/BSD purist would not
associate with anyone who used "LOL" even in jest?

LOL derived from AOL. "You've GOT Mail" fame.

We used IRC, not any of the OTHER services, like AOHELL

Now that's funny!




Keith Smith

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To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
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Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:52 PM


Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelled of elderberries!


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Re: My sound stopped working.

[Brian Cluff]

You would be amazed at how common a problem that is... and how ofter the 
"fix" is completely overlooked by both the user and the tech they call 
for help.


Brian

On 01/24/2011 04:59 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

I don't know what happened. The sound got turned down in alsamixer. How
strange.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am running Ubuntuu 9,10.
I think it stopped working after I killed the machine. I shorted the
computer when I was plugging a USB device (flash drive) into it. Any
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Re: Adobe reader

[Brian Cluff]

All you need to install is the adobereader package, the rest 
(adobereader-ja adobereader-deu adobereader-fr) are for other languages 
and apparently conflict with each other.


Brian

On 01/21/2011 09:36 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

mike@mike-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu adobereader-ja
adobereader-deu adobereader-fr adobe-flashplugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting acroread instead of adobereader-enu
Package adobereader-ja is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
   adobereader-deu acroread
E: Package adobereader-ja has no installation candidate
mike@mike-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu
adobereader-deu adobereader-fr adobe-flashplugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting acroread instead of adobereader-enu
Package adobereader-fr is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
   adobereader-deu acroread
E: Package adobereader-fr has no installation candidate
mike@mike-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu
adobereader-deu adobe-flashplugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting acroread instead of adobereader-enu
adobe-flashplugin is already the newest version.
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   acroread: Conflicts: adobereader-deu but 9.4.1-1karmic1 is to be
installed
   adobereader-deu: Conflicts: acroread
E: Broken packages
mike@mike-desktop:~$


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My W-2s are online and the computer just told me I need to download
it. How do I apt it?

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Re: fixing apt

[Brian Cluff]

I think you are confusing the -f in apt-get with something else.
From the man page:
-f, --fix-broken
Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This 
option, when used with
install/remove, can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely 
solution. If packages are specified,
these have to completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes 
necessary when running APT for the
first time; APT itself does not allow broken package dependencies to 
exist on a system. It is possible that
a system's dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require manual 
intervention (which usually means
using dselect(1) or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending 
packages). Use of this option together
with -m may produce an error in some situations. Configuration Item: 
APT::Get::Fix-Broken.


There is a force option in apt-get but you have to type out 
"--force-yes" there is no single letter equivalent.


Are you possibly thinking about the -f (force-ignore nonexistant files, 
never prompt) option in rm?


Brian Cluff

On 01/20/2011 02:54 PM, gk wrote:

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 F != fix broken...

 - -f == force

 If you spend any time in Debian's IRC they pretty much tell you
 NEVER use -f. NO system is that far gone to not be fixed by the other
 means Lisa mentioned. Dpkg is the package manager, dselect is another
 low end function and APT/itude is a front end would I've never had
 fail me. If you start with apt get you have to stay with it. IF you
 start with Aptitude manuals say to stay with it.

 Too many horror stories on Synaptic. The only GUI package manager I
 have had that worked every time was in Sabayon, and it is called
 Entropy, IIRC.

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Re: other SCaLE presenters?

[Brian Cluff]

On 01/11/2011 06:34 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

You guys are Conv-extremists!

Rather like the storm chasers, old hippies, Society of Creative
Anacronists, and modern day burners who gallivant across the country at
the least addictive provocation!


Foro me, SCaLE is just a very nice conference considering you can pay 
for the whole thing with money you find while doing the laundry with 
maybe some supplemented from the couch cushions.


Other conferences cost as much just to get in the door as I pay for gas, 
hotel, entrance fee, and parking combined, and then the other 
conferences charge for the classes on top of that which are in included 
at SCaLE.


Usually, you can do the whole conference for around $200 total out of 
pocket.


Brian Cluff
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Re: other SCaLE presenters?

[Brian Cluff]

Just read through the list of presentations... this year definitely 
looks like a huge improvement over last year... probably because I WON'T 
be talking this year.


With my luck they will probably put all the presentations I want to go 
to at the same time.


Brian Cluff

On 01/09/2011 06:49 PM, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

anyone else here get accepted as a presenter for SCaLE this year?

http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/speakers

I see Ted Gould ( still sometimes active on the list even though he moved
away a few years ago ) is giving a presentation again.

Lots of cool presentations this year.

SCaLE 9x, February 25-27 in LA.

Kaia already posted about ride-sharing. Usually a bunch of us do that.
It's a short flight and held at a hotel near the airport, so that's
available. Make sure to take an EFF Bill of Rights card with you. You can
probably also pick one up at SCaLE.

https://secure.eff.org/site/Ecommerce/938892267?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1121&store_id=2441


ciao,

der.hans


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Re: How to convert a pdf file to html ?

[Brian Cluff]

In ubuntu, install the package poppler-utils to get pdftohtml.  I just 
tried it out on a few pdfs I had lying around and it doesn't appear to 
do a very good job of preserving the formatting, but maybe it will work 
for your PDF's


Brian Cluff

On 01/08/2011 04:43 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


Is there a viable linux utility to convert a pdf file to html?

Or, is there a win app that is known to work with wine?

Or, is there an app to convert a pdf file to an open office document
with rtf formatting retained?

(I know pdftotext works for extracting ascii text only.)



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Re: How to rotate videos (and retain quality)?

[Brian Cluff]

It appears that you are trying to rotate audio from your example... Most 
people take LSD for that :)


mencoder defaults to a rather low bitrate, so you get nice small, 
grainly videos.


I believe that you need to explore the -lavcopts vbitrate= 
option.


Something like:
mencoder -ovc lavc -vf rotate=1 -lavcopts vbitrate=1500 -oac 
video_in.mpg -o video_out.mpg


The default vbitrate is 800, so play with that number until you get a 
good balance of quality and video size.  That number should also change 
depending on the image size of the video... smaller videos can use 
smaller bitrates.  If you are doing HD video, you might need much bigger 
than the 1500 I put in my example.


Brian Cluff

On 11/23/2010 05:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


Searching the 'net for a simple command-line solution for rotating videos,
I found one method using 'mencoder' but the quality deteriorated terribly.

mencoder -ovc lavc -vf rotate=1 -oac pcm input.mp3 -o input2.mp3

Is there a modification to retain the image quality ... or another better
solution?



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Re: New Linux patch improves scheduler... by allot

[Brian Cluff]

That does sound like the next kernel will contain at least 1 killer new 
feature.  I'm really looking forward to that one.  That should largely 
take care of one of my biggest pet peeves about Linux.


Brian Cluff

On 11/16/2010 07:56 AM, Stephen wrote:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1

Just in case some of you haven't seen it yet. looking forward to this one.


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Re: Removing 'accept all' for non-subscribed user in mailman?

[Brian Cluff]

I think you will find thir email address under
Privacy Options -> Sender filters -> List of non-member addresses whose 
postings should be automatically accepted.


If I may make an suggestion, you should put the email address of your 
alias in Privacy options -> Recipient filters -> Alias names (regexps) 
which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list.


By doing that you can just treat everything like a normal list and not 
have to worry about setting the accept all setting for each user, so the 
moderation settings work correctly.


Brian Cluff

On 11/14/2010 12:59 PM, Kurt Granroth wrote:

I have a few lists in which people are subscribed primarily by a
redirecting email address. Since they typically post using whatever
physical address they are using at the time, I get a 'moderation
request' the first time they post using that address. I then mark that
address as 'accept all' and that's it.

One of the list members just had one of her physical addresses
compromised, though, and it's sending SPAM to the list. My question is:
how do I revoke the 'accept all' on that address?

The mailman interface seems to only deal with the actual subscribed
addresses. Is there a command line interface or config file or somesuch
that can deal with *all* addresses?

Kurt
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East meeting location...

[Brian Cluff]

For anyone wanting to join us.  We are just north of MCC across the street at 
Pita Jungle.
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Re: East Side Meeting

[Brian Cluff]

Yes, we are still meeting, but without a place suitable for a formal 
presentation it will be to get together at a nearby restaurant and chat.


The steering committee had been trying to figure out a place to meet.  I 
suggested that we meet up in the north east parking lot of MCC and 
figure out where we want to go and then go there at about 7:15


If that sounds good to everyone, then lets proceed with that plan.

Brian Cluff

On 11/09/2010 08:08 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

Given that this Thursday is Vetrens' day and MCC is going to be closed
that day, are we still having the east side meeting? If so, where?
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Re: Plug website down

[Brian Cluff]

Wow, after all the wild speculation on what was going on with the 
server, here's what actually happened:


The hard drive on the server has a rather unfortunate partition layout 
and the /var directory is rather small and was simply filled up, so 
mysql freaked out and quit  that's all, and it's all fixed now.


A new server will to be swapped in rather soon, and we'll make sure that 
it doesn't have the same stupid partitioning on it, and we will be going 
to a new website at the same time.


Brian Cluff

On 10/29/2010 08:53 AM, Jordan Aberle wrote:

I have tried to visit the website last night as well as this morning but
there seems to be a database problem.  It is saying 'mysql: too many
connections' but I tried accessing the website early this morning - I
doubt it was getting bombarded by millions of plug members. :)
Any eta?
Thanks,
Jordan



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Re: What in the World happened to the %#$&! keyboard? (Ubuntu 10.10)

[Brian Cluff]

 You could get a list of every file that doesn't come from a package 
(using a combination find and dpkg -S) and take a good look at what is 
left over.  I have seen the little bit of junk that gets left over on an 
upgrade cause some serious problems.  The most recent was on a couple of 
machines that had been upgraded repeatedly having an old version of 
flash 7 stranded on the machine that got loaded first, so a lot of flash 
stopped working.   Deleting the older flash fixed the problem.


You might be able to just run computer-janitor on the system and have 
that clean up the problem, but I'm guessing the easiest fix would be to 
backup the home directory and pull a list of packages from the system, 
then do a fresh install and feed the old list of packages back into the 
system.


Did you upgrade via apt or with upgrade-manager, if the former, then 
computer janitor will probably help a lot.


Brian Cluff

On 10/22/2010 11:13 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

Did the keyboard work for a bit then suddenly stop working?
I installed Ubuntu 10.10 some week ago (he's been running Ubuntu since 
6.04)

Everything worked as advertised.
Then I don't what happened, his recollection is far from clever (he is 
96).

All I know is that now the GUI ignores the keyboard.
As usual, I was just handed out the mess.
ET
PS: And yes, the hardware is OK...   :)


m...@mjv.com writes:





Oops - I take that back - you were able to get into the command 
prompt and

actually type stuff... Doh.
Did the keyboard work for a bit then
suddenly stop working? Be well,
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October 22, 2010 11:04 am, m...@mjv.com wrote:



May not be the keyboard - but the plug on the computer. Is it PS2

or USB?

 If one, try a keyboard for the other and see if it

works. ie - if it's

PS2, give a USB keyboard a try.

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Re: Removing socket 1156 stock cooler

[Brian Cluff]

Those are relatively east to remove, but not totally obvious how to do 
it.  The heat sync stays connected to the board by pushing a pin between 
the 2 plastic wedges that keep it connected to the motherboard.  To get 
the fan off you have to turn the top that you pressed in when you 
attached it 90 degrees and then pull up it. That will pull the little 
pin back and allow it to be pulled free from the motherboard.  Just do 
that 4 times and the fan should be able to be removed fairly easy.


Brian Cluff

On 10/11/2010 03:32 PM, John wrote:

Sorry, I should've specified it was the stock cooler something similar
to this.

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1417&ID=1960

I'm thinking of sending the MB with the cooler attached. I bent a pin on
the last one even though it was toast already.

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From: JD Austin 
Subject: Re: Removing socket 1156 stock cooler
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 5:24 PM

Which kind do you have? They come in a few different styles:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Products.aspx?C=1417
<http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Products.aspx?C=1417>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 15:19, John > wrote:

I bought the parts to make a new Ubuntu system. Unfortunately,
the new power supply was bad and I cooked my RAM, MB, i5
processor, and one other MB before I realized the PSU was the
culprit. I need to send everything back to the PSU maker. I
removed the 1156 cooler once and it was not a pleasant
experience. Two of the push pins came right up but the other two
would not and I had a nasty time getting it off. I searched vids
and they said to use a screw driver but this didn't work. Anyone
have a video or an idea of how to remove the fan without using
force.



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