Format

[Matthew A Coulliette]

Hi,

I just wanted to thank everyone who adds their comments at the top of
the reply instead of at the bottom.  It saves time and scrolling down
the page of every reply is only good for being annoying.

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Re: Format

[Mike Schwartz]

On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at least
for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and
flamers... yikes).

As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else.  But I think
the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" within PLUG-discuss, on
whether to "top post" or "bottom post", I think the "consensus" was,
umm...   something along the lines of, trying to "orchestrate" PLUG-discuss
is like trying to herd cats...
(YMMV)
good luck ...
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On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Matthew A Coulliette wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to thank everyone who adds their comments at the top of
> the reply instead of at the bottom.  It saves time and scrolling down
> the page of every reply is only good for being annoying.
>
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Re: Format

[der.hans]

Am 12. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so:


On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at least
for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and
flamers... yikes).


It's a near-religious topic which seldom gets useful discussion.


As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else.  But I think
the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" within PLUG-discuss, on
whether to "top post" or "bottom post", I think the "consensus" was,
umm...   something along the lines of, trying to "orchestrate" PLUG-discuss
is like trying to herd cats...


The general consensus is that people are going to do whatever they want.
I think it's also generally realized that no matter what method someone
uses there will people who think it's the right way and there will be
people who think it's the wrong way.

In any case, write for your audience.

Also, there is no need to start a thread on this topic :).

ciao,

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Re: Format

[Ed]

VVV

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:25 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> Am 12. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so:
>
>> On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at
>> least
>> for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and
>> flamers... yikes).
>
> It's a near-religious topic which seldom gets useful discussion.
>
>> As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else.  But I
>> think
>> the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" within PLUG-discuss, on
>> whether to "top post" or "bottom post", I think the "consensus" was,
>> umm...   something along the lines of, trying to "orchestrate"
>> PLUG-discuss
>> is like trying to herd cats...
>
> The general consensus is that people are going to do whatever they want.
> I think it's also generally realized that no matter what method someone
> uses there will people who think it's the right way and there will be
> people who think it's the wrong way.
>
> In any case, write for your audience.
>
> Also, there is no need to start a thread on this topic :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Format

[Lisa Kachold]

I tend to ignore all such control-versy.

"Should" is a product of the codependent family model that also created:

black/white thinking
nothing handled in the solution
communicating to the wrong source

There's a saying, "Is someone is "should-ing" you, find and handle the 7
deadly sin type payoff"  (false pride, jealousy, rage, greed, gluttony,
vanity, lust).

Almost as fun as identifying the obvious signature of someone with ethical
problem in relation to you who always "project",  accusing you of doing
something their ego denial refuses to let them see/remember and apologise
for what they did to you.


On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Ed  wrote:

> VVV
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:25 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> > Am 12. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so:
> >
> >> On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at
> >> least
> >> for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and
> >> flamers... yikes).
> >
> > It's a near-religious topic which seldom gets useful discussion.
> >
> >> As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else.  But I
> >> think
> >> the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" within PLUG-discuss, on
> >> whether to "top post" or "bottom post", I think the "consensus" was,
> >> umm...   something along the lines of, trying to "orchestrate"
> >> PLUG-discuss
> >> is like trying to herd cats...
> >
> > The general consensus is that people are going to do whatever they want.
> > I think it's also generally realized that no matter what method someone
> > uses there will people who think it's the right way and there will be
> > people who think it's the wrong way.
> >
> > In any case, write for your audience.
> >
> > Also, there is no need to start a thread on this topic :).
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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Re: Format

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 05:53 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> I tend to ignore all such control-versy.
> 
> "Should" is a product of the codependent family model that also
> created:
> 
> black/white thinking
> nothing handled in the solution
> communicating to the wrong source
> 
> There's a saying, "Is someone is "should-ing" you, find and handle the
> 7 deadly sin type payoff"  (false pride, jealousy, rage, greed,
> gluttony, vanity, lust).
> 
> Almost as fun as identifying the obvious signature of someone with
> ethical problem in relation to you who always "project",  accusing you
> of doing something their ego denial refuses to let them see/remember
> and apologise for what they did to you.  

Since this thread seems to have a life despite everyone's acknowledgment
that it never changes anything...

There are times when I don't want to bother replying to a top posted
reply because I am too lazy to re-arrange it so the context of any
comments might actually make sense.

Most 'top posters' are too lazy to actually clean up the e-mail below to
just retain the pertinent items to which they are responding to, leaving
the challenge to the next reader to figure it out.

That said, I generally don't care if the point is about communication,
it either succeeds in its mission or doesn't and there's nothing
inherently changed whether the reply is on the top or bottom.

Handheld devices, twitter, e-mail all seem to be conspiring to dumb down
our communication efforts so we say less, communicate less effectively
at a rate much faster than ever before.

I don't recall anyone saying 'should' in this thread but I suspect that
Lisa is just playing the tune that's been played so many times before
and I will take that bait. People 'should' endeavor to make their point
relative to the point expressed before them in a way that someone making
a counterpoint could easily add their message yet be able to effectively
communicate. For me, that means either at the bottom or interspersed
within the replied sections. If you are inclined to 'top reply', take a
moment to clean up below so it becomes obvious what you are replying to.

Craig


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Re: Format

[Bishmer Sekaran]

>
> Most 'top posters' are too lazy to actually clean up the e-mail below to
> just retain the pertinent items to which they are responding to, leaving
> the challenge to the next reader to figure it out.

This is what happens when people have no Usenet chops. The storied 
customs and traditions of the internet fall by the wayside for 
unthinking and clumsy new vulgarities.
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Re: Format

[Stephen]

Actually herding cats is quite easy... I use a laser pointer

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Mike Schwartz
 wrote:
> On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at least
> for some readers / posters.
> (and never mind even mentioning trollers and flamers... yikes).
> As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else.  But I think
> the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" within PLUG-discuss, on
> whether to "top post" or "bottom post", I think the "consensus" was,
> umm...   something along the lines of, trying to "orchestrate" PLUG-discuss
> is like trying to herd cats...
> (YMMV)
> good luck ...
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> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Matthew A Coulliette 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just wanted to thank everyone who adds their comments at the top of
>> the reply instead of at the bottom.  It saves time and scrolling down
>> the page of every reply is only good for being annoying.
>>
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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

Amen ;)

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Bishmer Sekaran wrote:

>
> >
> > Most 'top posters' are too lazy to actually clean up the e-mail below to
> > just retain the pertinent items to which they are responding to, leaving
> > the challenge to the next reader to figure it out.
>
> This is what happens when people have no Usenet chops. The storied
> customs and traditions of the internet fall by the wayside for
> unthinking and clumsy new vulgarities.


I find it almost as annoying as when people don't trim the footers that
gnu-mailman tags onto mails (which I have been guilty of a few times)

Whether I top or bottom post mostly depends on if I'm in GMail or KMail...

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Re: Format

[Jerry Davis]

On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
Craig White  wrote:

> Most 'top posters' are too lazy to actually clean up the e-mail below to
> just retain the pertinent items to which they are responding to, leaving
> the challenge to the next reader to figure it out.

1. top posting is the default with Micro$oft Outlook, and a lot of us are
FORCED into using it at the office. So most people being outlook users will
tend to do "what comes natural" /wrt email systems.

2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes less time
to reply that way than other ways.

3. what I hate MUCH more than top posting, is those FW'd emails from my
relatives that have forwarded their mail from 25 different people (not
bothering to strip out all the headers etc. this makes for an email whose
"meat" is at the last 10 lines of a 1000 line email.

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Re: Format

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> Craig White  wrote:

> 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes less time
> to reply that way than other ways.

As in their time is more valuable than my time?

If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.

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Re: Format

[Judd Pickell]

In their minds? Yes.. This argument goes round and round every time. There
is no way to win it, so why must it continue? People each post their own
way, and nothing said here is going to overwhelming change everyone to a
single way of doing it. I am sorry it sucks for those that don't like it
their way. But 'tis the way the world turns currently.

Judd

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> > Craig White  wrote:
>
> > 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes less
> time
> > to reply that way than other ways.
> 
> As in their time is more valuable than my time?
>
> If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.
>
> Craig
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Re: Format

[Craig White]

Hi -

On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:35 -0700, Judd Pickell wrote:
> In their minds? Yes.. This argument goes round and round every time.
> There is no way to win it, so why must it continue? People each post
> their own way, and nothing said here is going to overwhelming change
> everyone to a single way of doing it. I am sorry it sucks for those
> that don't like it their way. But 'tis the way the world turns
> currently.

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Craig White 
> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> > Craig White  wrote:
> 
> 
> > 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in
> it takes less time
> > to reply that way than other ways.
> 
> 
> As in their time is more valuable than my time?
> 
> If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.
> 

To some extent, I agree. I always have the prerogative to delete and move on or 
reply.

I will sometimes ask people to trim their replies but in reality, I
don't have a mission to correct people on what I believe is the right
way. I didn't bring up this thread. I don't want to be the list mom. I
make rules for no one but myself.

People that I expect to know better might very well not get a reply if I
am put off by the html, untrimmed replies, etc. I have no dog in this
fight...the options are mine. I do agree that arbitrary rules insistence
fights are generally much worse than the intransigence of a few.

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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

Yeah, and next you'll want us to beautify it.

The problem I have with bottom posters, is when there is a long message,
taking the time to scroll through all the stuff I've already read.

The copy is there if I need to refer to it, so I don't have to go opening up
other emails.

But I'll tell you the most annoying thing, is when you are sending questions
in multiple emails to someone, and they don't include the original in the
reply.

You get back answers like  "I agree with that" and "I don't agree with that"

And you're supposed to figure which ones. Arg   lol

I have had this happen, I told them if they don't include the original, I
won't email them anymore. lol, it worked.

 

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On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> Craig White  wrote:

> 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes 
> less time to reply that way than other ways.

As in their time is more valuable than my time?

If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.

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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

Should we turn this into which way should the toilet paper face on the roll
???
 
I know my way is right on that one.
lol
 

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In their minds? Yes.. This argument goes round and round every time. There
is no way to win it, so why must it continue? People each post their own
way, and nothing said here is going to overwhelming change everyone to a
single way of doing it. I am sorry it sucks for those that don't like it
their way. But 'tis the way the world turns currently.

Judd


On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Craig White  wrote:


On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> Craig White  wrote:


> 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes less
time
> to reply that way than other ways.


As in their time is more valuable than my time?

If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.


Craig


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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

Bob,

You use Gmail, Gmail collapses top posts just the same as bottom posts (in
the web client)

So, for those who prefer top posting can have their top posts,
Those who "don't wanna have to scroll", like you dont.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> Yeah, and next you'll want us to beautify it.
>
> The problem I have with bottom posters, is when there is a long message,
> taking the time to scroll through all the stuff I've already read.
>
> The copy is there if I need to refer to it, so I don't have to go opening
> up
> other emails.
>
> But I'll tell you the most annoying thing, is when you are sending
> questions
> in multiple emails to someone, and they don't include the original in the
> reply.
>
> You get back answers like  "I agree with that" and "I don't agree with
> that"
>
> And you're supposed to figure which ones. Arg   lol
>
> I have had this happen, I told them if they don't include the original, I
> won't email them anymore. lol, it worked.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> White
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> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Format
>
> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> > Craig White  wrote:
>
> > 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes
> > less time to reply that way than other ways.
> 
> As in their time is more valuable than my time?
>
> If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.
>
> Craig
>
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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the hard copy on my own
disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone else having copies of
it.lol
 

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Bob,
 
You use Gmail, Gmail collapses top posts just the same as bottom posts (in
the web client)
 
So, for those who prefer top posting can have their top posts,
Those who "don't wanna have to scroll", like you dont.


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:


Yeah, and next you'll want us to beautify it.

The problem I have with bottom posters, is when there is a long message,
taking the time to scroll through all the stuff I've already read.

The copy is there if I need to refer to it, so I don't have to go opening up
other emails.

But I'll tell you the most annoying thing, is when you are sending questions
in multiple emails to someone, and they don't include the original in the
reply.

You get back answers like  "I agree with that" and "I don't agree with that"

And you're supposed to figure which ones. Arg   lol

I have had this happen, I told them if they don't include the original, I
won't email them anymore. lol, it worked.




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On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:16 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:42 -0700
> Craig White  wrote:

> 2. it might not be laziness as much as time-starved, as in it takes
> less time to reply that way than other ways.

As in their time is more valuable than my time?

If you have the time to reply, you have the time to trim.

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RE: Format

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 10:48 -0700, Bob Elzer wrote:
> LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the hard copy on my
> own disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone else having
> copies of it.lol

do you mean aside from the copies that the NSA has? To paraphrase Bill
Maher, "mail yourself a copy of the Constitution once in a while just so
you can hope that those in government might actually read it."

G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail client application
anyway so you're not stuck with only having to use their web mail
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RE: Format

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--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: Format
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:58 AM
> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 10:48 -0700,
> Bob Elzer wrote:
> > LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the
> hard copy on my
> > own disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone
> else having
> > copies of it.lol
> 
> do you mean aside from the copies that the NSA has? To
> paraphrase Bill
> Maher, "mail yourself a copy of the Constitution once in a
> while just so
> you can hope that those in government might actually read
> it."
> 
> G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail client
> application
> anyway so you're not stuck with only having to use their
> web mail
> client.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 

I use Yahoo mail for my personal mail.  They require a fee to be able to 
connect via a client.

Is it possible to connect via a client to gmail for free?




  
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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

I wonder what the guy at the NSA is, a bottom or top poster. Do you think
he's getting tired of this thread. LOL

We could probably make it last longer if we started talking about everyone's
preferences of indent characters

>>
||
..
::

He's probably crying now
 

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On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 10:48 -0700, Bob Elzer wrote:
> LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the hard copy on my 
> own disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone else having 
> copies of it.lol

do you mean aside from the copies that the NSA has? To paraphrase Bill
Maher, "mail yourself a copy of the Constitution once in a while just so you
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G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail client application anyway
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RE: Format

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:02 -0700, keith smith wrote:

> > 
> > G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail client
> > application
> > anyway so you're not stuck with only having to use their
> > web mail
> > client.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
> 
> I use Yahoo mail for my personal mail.  They require a fee to be able to 
> connect via a client.
> 
> Is it possible to connect via a client to gmail for free?

yes, G-mail is free regardless of how you use it.

I believe Yahoo has changed and you can also use it with your own e-mail
client but if you pay for Yahoo 'premium' services, you do get more
options. You might want to check on their 'free' services as I think
they have changed.

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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

Yes, that's why I chose gmail, you can do pop3 or imap to retrieve your mail
 

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--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: Format
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:58 AM On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 10:48 
> -0700, Bob Elzer wrote:
> > LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the
> hard copy on my
> > own disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone
> else having
> > copies of it.lol
> 
> do you mean aside from the copies that the NSA has? To paraphrase Bill 
> Maher, "mail yourself a copy of the Constitution once in a while just 
> so you can hope that those in government might actually read it."
> 
> G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail client application 
> anyway so you're not stuck with only having to use their web mail 
> client.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 

I use Yahoo mail for my personal mail.  They require a fee to be able to
connect via a client.

Is it possible to connect via a client to gmail for free?




  
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Re: Format

[Joseph Sinclair]

keith smith wrote:
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Craig White  wrote:
> 
> 
> I use Yahoo mail for my personal mail.  They require a fee to be able to 
> connect via a client.
> 
> Is it possible to connect via a client to gmail for free?
> 
Yes, You can connect to GMail via POP3 or IMAP without any additional fees.  
You can also have GMail check and consolidate your other POP3 accounts without 
any fees.




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RE: Format

[keith smith]

Thanks.  I think I might do so.


Keith Smith


--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: Format
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:10 AM
> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:02 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > G-Mail and others allow you to use your own mail
> client
> > > application
> > > anyway so you're not stuck with only having to
> use their
> > > web mail
> > > client.
> > > 
> > > Craig
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > I use Yahoo mail for my personal mail.  They
> require a fee to be able to connect via a client.
> > 
> > Is it possible to connect via a client to gmail for
> free?
> 
> yes, G-mail is free regardless of how you use it.
> 
> I believe Yahoo has changed and you can also use it with
> your own e-mail
> client but if you pay for Yahoo 'premium' services, you do
> get more
> options. You might want to check on their 'free' services
> as I think
> they have changed.
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:

>  LOL, I'm a real man, I don't use web email. I like the hard copy on my
> own disk drive. It's my mail I don't believe someone else having copies of
> it.lol
>
>
Oh, I guess I'm not now that I think about it... e_e

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Re: Format

[Matthew A Coulliette]

Bob Elzer wrote:

  
  
  Should we turn this into which
way should the toilet paper face on the roll ???
   
  I know my way is right on that
one.
  lol
   

The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags
down in front of the role and away from the wall.  ;-) 

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Re: Format

[Lyle Tuttle]

CORRECT!!

At 06:48 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:

Bob Elzer wrote:
Should we turn this into which way should the toilet paper face on 
the roll ???


I know my way is right on that one.
lol

The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it 
hags down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)


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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

Bingo, You are correct sir.
 

  _  

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Bob Elzer wrote: 

Should we turn this into which way should the toilet paper face on the roll
???
 
I know my way is right on that one.
lol
 

The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags down
in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-) 

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Re: Format

[Bishmer Sekaran]

Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags 
> down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)
>
> MatthewMPP
Exactamento.
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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

and... why isn't this OT?

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran wrote:

> Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> > The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags
> > down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)
> >
> > MatthewMPP
> Exactamento.
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Re: Format

[Charles Jones]

Shouldn't it be TP? ;-)

Ryan Rix wrote:

and... why isn't this OT?

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran > wrote:


Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that
it hags
> down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)
>
> MatthewMPP
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Re: Format

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 09:12 -0700, Charles Jones wrote:
> Shouldn't it be TP? ;-)
> 
> Ryan Rix wrote: 
> > and... why isn't this OT?
> > 
> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran
> >  wrote:
> > Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> > > The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so
> > that it hags
> > > down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)
> > >
> > > MatthewMPP
> > 
> > Exactamento.

you know what they say...

no job is finished until the paperwork is done.

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Re: Format

[Lisa Kachold]

Again,

Posting format like much of PLUG, is not decreed by rule for a reason.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 09:12 -0700, Charles Jones wrote:
> > Shouldn't it be TP? ;-)
> >
> > Ryan Rix wrote:
> > > and... why isn't this OT?
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran
> > >  wrote:
> > > Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> > > > The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so
> > > that it hags
> > > > down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > MatthewMPP
> > >
> > > Exactamento.
> 
> you know what they say...
>
> no job is finished until the paperwork is done.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top OR bottom post!"

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Again,
>
> Posting format like much of PLUG, is not decreed by rule for a reason.
>

PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top AND/OR bottom post!"

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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

What are the rules on double posting ???

  _  

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PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top OR bottom post!"


On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Lisa Kachold 
wrote:


Again, 

Posting format like much of PLUG, is not decreed by rule for a reason. 

 
PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top AND/OR bottom post!"

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What are the rules on double posting ???
 
 
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Re: Format

[Stephen]

double post as needed but expect some people to skip the second one?

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> What are the rules on double posting ???
> 
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
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>
> PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top OR bottom post!"
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Lisa Kachold 
> wrote:
>>
>> Again,
>>
>> Posting format like much of PLUG, is not decreed by rule for a reason.
>
>
> PLUGaz, Free as in "I can top AND/OR bottom post!"
>
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>
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>
> What are the rules on double posting ???
>
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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> double post as needed but expect some people to skip the second one?
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>> What are the rules on double posting ???

I'll skip the top posts from now on then...
Huh? what? Why are you posting blank messages?


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RE: Format

[Bob Elzer]

I'll make sure on my double posts, to add extra information to the first
post, and remove it from the second.

So when you read the second you'll wonder what I'm talking about.

And if you filter my posts out, I'll sign up as Leo G Carroll, aka "Topper"
and do the same.

muwhahaha


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topper_(TV_series)


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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> double post as needed but expect some people to skip the second one?
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>> What are the rules on double posting ???

I'll skip the top posts from now on then...
Huh? what? Why are you posting blank messages?


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RE: Format

[Bryan O'Neal]

On posting
1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
scrolling down.  If I read this in digest mode where I only read the last
message in a thread, then yha, bottom posting would make more sense.
2) Use a threaded email client that removes the extraneous copies of prior
content and you never have to worry about this again. All messages are
either top or bottom posted depending on how you order the thread.
 

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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bob
Elzer
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:09 AM
To: 'Main PLUG discussion list'
Subject: RE: Format

I'll make sure on my double posts, to add extra information to the first
post, and remove it from the second.

So when you read the second you'll wonder what I'm talking about.

And if you filter my posts out, I'll sign up as Leo G Carroll, aka "Topper"
and do the same.

muwhahaha


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topper_(TV_series)


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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:53 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Format

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> double post as needed but expect some people to skip the second one?
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>> What are the rules on double posting ???

I'll skip the top posts from now on then...
Huh? what? Why are you posting blank messages?


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Re: Format

[Ryan Rix]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

> On posting
> 1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
> the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
> scrolling down.  If I read this in digest mode where I only read the last
> message in a thread, then yha, bottom posting would make more sense.
> 2) Use a threaded email client that removes the extraneous copies of prior
> content and you never have to worry about this again. All messages are
> either top or bottom posted depending on how you order the thread.
>
>
>means I don't
So it's a personal preference, is what you're saying basically?

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Re: Format

[Stephen]

really the top post vs bottom post is a personal prefrence.

I like top posted email, personally it means i can get to their
response, and if I am lost i have an email thread to get back to.

does not mean i cannot understand the logic of a bottom post it just
means its my preference...

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ryan Rix  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Bryan O'Neal 
> wrote:
>>
>> On posting
>> 1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
>> the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
>> scrolling down.  If I read this in digest mode where I only read the last
>> message in a thread, then yha, bottom posting would make more sense.
>> 2) Use a threaded email client that removes the extraneous copies of prior
>> content and you never have to worry about this again. All messages are
>> either top or bottom posted depending on how you order the thread.
>>
>
>>means I don't
> So it's a personal preference, is what you're saying basically?
>
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video format

[Michael Havens]

well, I figured out that with youtube-dl you need to know the format of the
video to extract the audio (I suppose that means it actually is for
ffmpeg). How does one figure out the format of the original file if it
isn't listed in the file extension?
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3rd office format

[der.hans]

moin moin,

this one comes from an office suite claiming to already have ODF support.

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080721140512962

If China moves to an office suite that supports ODF that'll go a long way
to breaking the binary office format monopoly.

ciao,

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Re: video format

[sean ritzler]

You can do do `file /path/to/file` to see what it really is. file's man
page is pretty useful as well.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> well, I figured out that with youtube-dl you need to know the format of
> the video to extract the audio (I suppose that means it actually is for
> ffmpeg). How does one figure out the format of the original file if it
> isn't listed in the file extension?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: video format

[Michael Havens]

  Thanks, buddy!
  so then, this is a known file:

JumpJiveAnWail.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains: MPEG ADTS,
layer III, v1,  32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Stereo

  MPEG tells mpeg. Does 'layer III', or 'ID3' tell me it is an 'mp3'?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:15 AM, sean ritzler wrote:

> You can do do `file /path/to/file` to see what it really is. file's man
> page is pretty useful as well.
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> well, I figured out that with youtube-dl you need to know the format of
>> the video to extract the audio (I suppose that means it actually is for
>> ffmpeg). How does one figure out the format of the original file if it
>> isn't listed in the file extension?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: video format

[Matt Graham]

From: Michael Havens 
> JumpJiveAnWail.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains: MPEG ADTS,
> layer III, v1,  32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Stereo
>   MPEG tells mpeg. Does 'layer III', or 'ID3' tell me it is an 'mp3'?

mp3 means "MPEG-1, layer 3".  I've seen a few .mp2 files in the wild; those
were probably MPEG-1 layer 2.  ID3 is a standard for embedding information
like artist, title, album, track, genre, and so forth into a formatted block
of data within an audio file.

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Re: video format

[sean ritzler]

The layer III tells you it's mp3 :-)

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

>   Thanks, buddy!
>   so then, this is a known file:
>
> JumpJiveAnWail.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains: MPEG
> ADTS, layer III, v1,  32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Stereo
>
>   MPEG tells mpeg. Does 'layer III', or 'ID3' tell me it is an 'mp3'?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
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Re: video format

[Michael Havens]

You guys are so helpful.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM, sean ritzler wrote:

> The layer III tells you it's mp3 :-)
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>>   Thanks, buddy!
>>   so then, this is a known file:
>>
>> JumpJiveAnWail.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains: MPEG
>> ADTS, layer III, v1,  32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Stereo
>>
>>   MPEG tells mpeg. Does 'layer III', or 'ID3' tell me it is an 'mp3'?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
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OT:Posting Style (was: Format)

[Stephen P Rufle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

I was unsure why it mattered, I looked it up. Thought it would be nice
to share with others that are maybe new to the community.
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OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Vaughn Treude]

Hello:
For quite some time I've been wanting to move my company books form 
QuickBooks to GnuCash or some other Linux application.  I was having 
difficulty finding a way to convert my existing data, but I 
procrastinated.  Recently something happened that convinced me to do it. 
  Sad story follows:

I have a copy of QB Pro 99 I need to move to a newer Windoze computer, 
yet when I installed it, it refused to read my data files, because they 
were from a "newer" version.  Huh? What I believe caused that is the 
fact that I allowed Intuit to update my QB99 online.  I've posted a 
question to their forum.  If their answer is "buy a new version", I 
swear I'll never give Intuit another nickel.  I did some searching and 
discovered a product called DataBlox  (a Windows product, at 
datablox.com) which claims to be able to extract data from all QB 
formats.  It costs $99 and even if this is more expensive than buying a 
new QB, at least I wouldn't be giving my money to Inuit.

Does anyone know of any cheaper alternatives?  I'm having trouble 
locating "quickbooks hacks" because there are at least 100 programs out 
there to recover lost QB passwords, which causes Google to return a lot 
of noise.

While googling I've also found a lot of examples of Intuit's obnoxious 
business practices.  The worst was requiring banks to pay extra to 
support Quicken for Mac, which means that a lot of banks won't support 
Mac users, even though THE FILE FORMAT USED IS IDENTICAL.  It is an a 
totally artificial crippling of the product.  (BTW, the poster found a 
workaround by configuring his copy of QB with a different bank's ID.) 
Intuit is probably losing money doing this - unless MS is paying them 
off to discourage the Mac - which I doubt, since MS makes most of its 
money on Office, not the OS.

Intuit is evil!

Vaughn
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Re: OT:Posting Style (was: Format)

[keith smith]

And mankind's  struggle continues

".within some communities the use of the "wrong" method risks being seen as 
a breach of netiquette.".




Keith Smith


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> Subject: OT:Posting Style  (was: Format)
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:59 AM
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
> 
> I was unsure why it mattered, I looked it up. Thought it
> would be nice
> to share with others that are maybe new to the community.
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Re: OT:Posting Style (was: Format)

[Lisa Kachold]

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Stephen P Rufle
wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> I was unsure why it mattered, I looked it up. Thought it would be nice
> to share with others that are maybe new to the community.
>

Sure this has been the same since like forever (1994) or as long as I have
been a Systems Administrator (1989) and is strictly adhered to on some
lists.


BUT PLUG Does NOT HAVE a STRICT posting style.


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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[fouldragon]

You should see their online product.

My employer used it for a while for time-card submissions.

Windows-only.

IE only.

Download of a "Trust us, it's safe" ActiveX control required, with 
instructions as to how to work around the fact that recent Windows 
versions don't think it's too hot that you do that.

If you had a Mac, their suggestion was to buy Parallels or the 
equivalent.

That's burying the chutzpah needle if you ask me.

Plus, the package sucked in the usability department.

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From: Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Sent: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:31 pm
Subject: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format










Hello:
For quite some time I've been wanting to move my company books form
QuickBooks to GnuCash or some other Linux application.  I was having
difficulty finding a way to convert my existing data, but I
procrastinated.  Recently something happened that convinced me to do 
it.
  Sad story follows:

I have a copy of QB Pro 99 I need to move to a newer Windoze computer,
yet when I installed it, it refused to read my data files, because they
were from a "newer" version.  Huh? What I believe caused that is the
fact that I allowed Intuit to update my QB99 online.  I've posted a
question to their forum.  If their answer is "buy a new version", I
swear I'll never give Intuit another nickel.  I did some searching and
discovered a product called DataBlox  (a Windows product, at
datablox.com) which claims to be able to extract data from all QB
formats.  It costs $99 and even if this is more expensive than buying a
new QB, at least I wouldn't be giving my money to Inuit.

Does anyone know of any cheaper alternatives?  I'm having trouble
locating "quickbooks hacks" because there are at least 100 programs out
there to recover lost QB passwords, which causes Google to return a lot
of noise.

While googling I've also found a lot of examples of Intuit's obnoxious
business practices.  The worst was requiring banks to pay extra to
support Quicken for Mac, which means that a lot of banks won't support
Mac users, even though THE FILE FORMAT USED IS IDENTICAL.  It is an a
totally artificial crippling of the product.  (BTW, the poster found a
workaround by configuring his copy of QB with a different bank's ID.)
Intuit is probably losing money doing this - unless MS is paying them
off to discourage the Mac - which I doubt, since MS makes most of its
money on Office, not the OS.

Intuit is evil!

Vaughn
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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Joshua Zeidner]

I know someone at Intuit in Tucson and he had mentioned that there have
been talks at Intuit about pursuing an 'Open Format Strategy', which I
assume involves publishing their data formats.

 -jmz


On 7/3/07, Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello:
For quite some time I've been wanting to move my company books form
QuickBooks to GnuCash or some other Linux application.  I was having
difficulty finding a way to convert my existing data, but I
procrastinated.  Recently something happened that convinced me to do it.
  Sad story follows:

I have a copy of QB Pro 99 I need to move to a newer Windoze computer,
yet when I installed it, it refused to read my data files, because they
were from a "newer" version.  Huh? What I believe caused that is the
fact that I allowed Intuit to update my QB99 online.  I've posted a
question to their forum.  If their answer is "buy a new version", I
swear I'll never give Intuit another nickel.  I did some searching and
discovered a product called DataBlox  (a Windows product, at
datablox.com) which claims to be able to extract data from all QB
formats.  It costs $99 and even if this is more expensive than buying a
new QB, at least I wouldn't be giving my money to Inuit.

Does anyone know of any cheaper alternatives?  I'm having trouble
locating "quickbooks hacks" because there are at least 100 programs out
there to recover lost QB passwords, which causes Google to return a lot
of noise.

While googling I've also found a lot of examples of Intuit's obnoxious
business practices.  The worst was requiring banks to pay extra to
support Quicken for Mac, which means that a lot of banks won't support
Mac users, even though THE FILE FORMAT USED IS IDENTICAL.  It is an a
totally artificial crippling of the product.  (BTW, the poster found a
workaround by configuring his copy of QB with a different bank's ID.)
Intuit is probably losing money doing this - unless MS is paying them
off to discourage the Mac - which I doubt, since MS makes most of its
money on Office, not the OS.

Intuit is evil!

Vaughn
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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Randy Melder]

I get that the objective is export the whole company file but
Quickbooks has all kinds of data export options... from customers, to
items, to whatever...

Why not export/import into whatever you want to use?
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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Vaughn Treude]

Randy Melder wrote:
> I get that the objective is export the whole company file but
> Quickbooks has all kinds of data export options... from customers, to
> items, to whatever...
> 
> Why not export/import into whatever you want to use?

Quickbooks - at least the version I have - is pretty limited on its 
export capabilities.  I could probably do a whole bunch of reports and 
get the data out, but that would be too much work, I think.  Though I 
don't know how usable the output from DataBlox is, either.

Vaughn

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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Vaughn Treude]

Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> 
>  I know someone at Intuit in Tucson and he had mentioned that there have 
> been talks at Intuit about pursuing an 'Open Format Strategy', which I 
> assume involves publishing their data formats.
> 
>   -jmz

Now there would be a 180-degree turn.
Another funny thing about QuickBooks- I got tired of paying for the tax 
table updates, when the amounts weren't changing all that much, and I'm 
the sole employee of my company anyway.  So QB warns you at first that 
the tax tables are out of date, but eventually it refuses to do any 
payroll calculations at all.  At this point I gave them the benefit of 
the doubt, because  our hyper-litigious society makes companies do some 
pretty idiotic things.  Instead of renewing, I just did a spreadsheet to 
calculate all the amounts, and plugged them in each month. (The IRS 
publishes the formulas in its Employers Tax Guide.)  A bit of a pain, 
but not so bad when you have only one paycheck to create.
Vaughn
> 
> 
> On 7/3/07, *Vaughn Treude* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> For quite some time I've been wanting to move my company books form
> QuickBooks to GnuCash or some other Linux application.  I was having
> difficulty finding a way to convert my existing data, but I
> procrastinated.  Recently something happened that convinced me to do
> it.
>   Sad story follows:
> 
> I have a copy of QB Pro 99 I need to move to a newer Windoze computer,
> yet when I installed it, it refused to read my data files, because they
> were from a "newer" version.  Huh? What I believe caused that is the
> fact that I allowed Intuit to update my QB99 online.  I've posted a
> question to their forum.  If their answer is "buy a new version", I
> swear I'll never give Intuit another nickel.  I did some searching and
> discovered a product called DataBlox  (a Windows product, at
> datablox.com <http://datablox.com>) which claims to be able to
> extract data from all QB
> formats.  It costs $99 and even if this is more expensive than buying a
> new QB, at least I wouldn't be giving my money to Inuit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any cheaper alternatives?  I'm having trouble
> locating "quickbooks hacks" because there are at least 100 programs out
> there to recover lost QB passwords, which causes Google to return a lot
> of noise.
> 
> While googling I've also found a lot of examples of Intuit's obnoxious
> business practices.  The worst was requiring banks to pay extra to
> support Quicken for Mac, which means that a lot of banks won't support
> Mac users, even though THE FILE FORMAT USED IS IDENTICAL.  It is an a
> totally artificial crippling of the product.  (BTW, the poster found a
> workaround by configuring his copy of QB with a different bank's ID.)
> Intuit is probably losing money doing this - unless MS is paying them
> off to discourage the Mac - which I doubt, since MS makes most of its
> money on Office, not the OS.
> 
> Intuit is evil!
> 
> Vaughn
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Re: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format

[Vaughn Treude]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You should see their online product.
> 
> My employer used it for a while for time-card submissions.
> 
> Windows-only.
> 
> IE only.
> 
> Download of a "Trust us, it's safe" ActiveX control required, with 
> instructions as to how to work around the fact that recent Windows 
> versions don't think it's too hot that you do that.
> 
> If you had a Mac, their suggestion was to buy Parallels or the 
> equivalent.
> 
> That's burying the chutzpah needle if you ask me.
> 
> Plus, the package sucked in the usability department.
> 

Yes, I've also seen a lot of negative comments about the regular 
product's usability.  I've gotten used to it, though.  But I sure 
wouldn't want to run my private financial info through somebody's web 
site, especially if I was forced to use IE.
Vaughn

> -Original Message-
> From: Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> Sent: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:31 pm
> Subject: OT: Cracking Quickbooks format
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> Hello:
> For quite some time I've been wanting to move my company books form
> QuickBooks to GnuCash or some other Linux application.  I was having
> difficulty finding a way to convert my existing data, but I
> procrastinated.  Recently something happened that convinced me to do 
> it.
>   Sad story follows:
> 
> I have a copy of QB Pro 99 I need to move to a newer Windoze computer,
> yet when I installed it, it refused to read my data files, because they
> were from a "newer" version.  Huh? What I believe caused that is the
> fact that I allowed Intuit to update my QB99 online.  I've posted a
> question to their forum.  If their answer is "buy a new version", I
> swear I'll never give Intuit another nickel.  I did some searching and
> discovered a product called DataBlox  (a Windows product, at
> datablox.com) which claims to be able to extract data from all QB
> formats.  It costs $99 and even if this is more expensive than buying a
> new QB, at least I wouldn't be giving my money to Inuit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any cheaper alternatives?  I'm having trouble
> locating "quickbooks hacks" because there are at least 100 programs out
> there to recover lost QB passwords, which causes Google to return a lot
> of noise.
> 
> While googling I've also found a lot of examples of Intuit's obnoxious
> business practices.  The worst was requiring banks to pay extra to
> support Quicken for Mac, which means that a lot of banks won't support
> Mac users, even though THE FILE FORMAT USED IS IDENTICAL.  It is an a
> totally artificial crippling of the product.  (BTW, the poster found a
> workaround by configuring his copy of QB with a different bank's ID.)
> Intuit is probably losing money doing this - unless MS is paying them
> off to discourage the Mac - which I doubt, since MS makes most of its
> money on Office, not the OS.
> 
> Intuit is evil!
> 
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Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Alan Dayley]

http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only

"At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."

Get it if you like!

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How to format an external hard drive?

[Josef Lowder]

I received a small 38-Gig external harddrive as a gift
and it is apparently formatted with an ntfs file system.

It mounts automatically when I plug it in to my Mandriva
system USB port, and I can read the files that are there,
but I cannot write to it as it gives a message "read only
file system."

So, what would be the best way to format it as a fat 32
so I can plug it in and use it on either my Linux system
or on my xp laptop?

While I have not used it for anything, below are some of the
files that I found on this HD:

Contents of external HD:

/dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume
/dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume

# cd /mnt/New_Volume
# ls -ltr
dr-x--  1 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 System Volume Information/
# cd System*
# ls -ltr
dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19 RECYCLER/
-r  2 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 MountPointManagerRemoteDatabase
dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18
_restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}/
dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18 RP471/
-r  1 root root 1390 Sep 21 16:19 change.log
# cat change.log
ïÍ«ì\Device\HarddiskVolume9\System Volume
 Information\_restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}
\RP471\change.logdïÍ«à \Converted2d`ïÍ«à\RECYCLER`¼ïÍ«àx\
RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006¼ÔïÍ« à\
RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
desktop.iniÔ¼ïÍ«àx\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006¼`ïÍ«à\
RECYCLER`þïÍ«à
\Converted2\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
De1▒CONVER~1þ
#
# cd RECYCLER
# ls -ltr
dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19
S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006/

dr-x--  1 root root 12288 Sep 21 16:19 De1/
-r  1 root root65 Sep 21 16:19 desktop.ini
-r  1 root root   820 Sep 21 16:19 INFO2

# cat INFO2
E:\Converted2Ðt'@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006]
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Ryan Rix]

The link is a torrent though... Won't it still 'technically' be up
afterwards?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Alan Dayley  wrote:

> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>
> "At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."
>
> Get it if you like!
>
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Eric Shubert]

Nice observation. I don't know to what extent it would be available. The 
seeds would undoubtedly be there (I see 1349 seeds and 262 peers 
presently). I'm not sure how someone would find the torrent w/out the 
link though. I'm guessing that someone would have to make the torrent 
file available somewhere. Anyone know the details of torrents?

Ryan Rix wrote:
> The link is a torrent though... Won't it still 'technically' be up 
> afterwards?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Alan Dayley  <mailto:ala...@consultpros.com>> wrote:
> 
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
> 
> "At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."
> 
> Get it if you like!
> 
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Ryan Rix]

How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?
I'll bet it's all voer TPB by now (along with the illegitimate PDFs of the
other 100 or so issues, but that's beside the point) and depending on the
legality I have no problem uploading my copy of the torrent somewhere.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

> Nice observation. I don't know to what extent it would be available. The
> seeds would undoubtedly be there (I see 1349 seeds and 262 peers
> presently). I'm not sure how someone would find the torrent w/out the
> link though. I'm guessing that someone would have to make the torrent
> file available somewhere. Anyone know the details of torrents?
>
> Ryan Rix wrote:
> > The link is a torrent though... Won't it still 'technically' be up
> > afterwards?
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Alan Dayley  > <mailto:ala...@consultpros.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
> >
> > "At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."
> >
> > Get it if you like!
> >
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[James Finstrom]

I get mine in the mail :)


James Finstrom
Rhino Equipment Corp.



On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?
> I'll bet it's all voer TPB by now (along with the illegitimate PDFs of the
> other 100 or so issues, but that's beside the point) and depending on the
> legality I have no problem uploading my copy of the torrent somewhere.
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
>
>> Nice observation. I don't know to what extent it would be available. The
>> seeds would undoubtedly be there (I see 1349 seeds and 262 peers
>> presently). I'm not sure how someone would find the torrent w/out the
>> link though. I'm guessing that someone would have to make the torrent
>> file available somewhere. Anyone know the details of torrents?
>>
>> Ryan Rix wrote:
>> > The link is a torrent though... Won't it still 'technically' be up
>> > afterwards?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Alan Dayley >  > <mailto:ala...@consultpros.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>> >
>> > "At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."
>> >
>> > Get it if you like!
>> >
>> > Alan
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>> > TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog
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>> >
>> > Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica
>> > Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace.
>> >
>>
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Eric Shubert]

Ryan Rix wrote:
> How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?

I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use 
the "limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution. Stupid 
(or maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.

> I'll bet it's all voer TPB by now (along with the illegitimate PDFs of 
> the other 100 or so issues, but that's beside the point) and depending 
> on the legality I have no problem uploading my copy of the torrent 
> somewhere.
> 
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Alex Dean]

On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:


Ryan Rix wrote:

How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?


I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use
the "limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution.  
Stupid

(or maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.


They're giving you a magazine and DVD for free.  How is that a scam?   
(Are you expecting it to be full of adware?)


The 'limited time' thing is probably to create a sense of urgency,  
which I agree is cheesy, but I hardly think that deserves to be called  
a scam.  I'm sure they're hoping you'll like what you get, and maybe  
subscribe for real.  Letting you try their magazine before you pay up  
seems like a very honest way to promote their product.


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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Stephen P Rufle]

This is from what was in the zip. It is for promoting their magazine,
but good for them.

You're probably wondering why we're doing this, and that's fair enough -
it's not something we've done before, and we may never do it again.

Well, we're doing it because sales of Linux Format shot up 13% last year
despite print magazines around the world suffering a decline, and we
want to thank everyone for their support by giving away this entire
magazine for free.

Enjoy it. Learn from it. Give it to your friends. Pass it around at your
user group.

If you want more, we hope you know where to go. After all, Linux Format
is available from all good news outlets worldwide every four weeks, or
you can subscribe and get it delivered to your door.

Speaking of subscriptions...

OK, so you didn't think we'd give away all this stuff without at least a
little prod to encourage folks to read the print magazine, did you?

If you want the cheapest way to read Linux Format every month, you can
subscribe today at http://tinyurl.com/podcastlxf for just US $99 for 13
issues - that's about 70 Euros if you live in Euroland, or about AUD
$150 if you live in Australia. UK readers can pay £11.99 every quarter.

If price is of less interest to you, try this subscription offer
instead, because it includes some awesome geek fridge magnets letting
you spell out shell commands, comedy phrases and more on any magnetic
surface.

Ryan Rix wrote:
> The link is a torrent though... Won't it still 'technically' be up
> afterwards?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Alan Dayley  <mailto:ala...@consultpros.com>> wrote:
> 
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
> 
> "At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link."
> 
> Get it if you like!
> 
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RE: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Bob Elzer]

>>I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use the
"limited time" pitch and then use a >>torrent for distribution. Stupid (or
maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.

You would rather thousands of people hit your server and download the pdf
and the 4GB iso all at the same time and crash the server, and then only ten
people got the complete file. LOL

P2P makes perfect sense to distribute the load, even when they pull the
torrent, people still in the process of downloading will be able to finish
from the peers. There just won't be a link to start any more downloads.


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Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

Ryan Rix wrote:
> How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?

I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use the
"limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution. Stupid (or
maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.

> I'll bet it's all voer TPB by now (along with the illegitimate PDFs of 
> the other 100 or so issues, but that's beside the point) and depending 
> on the legality I have no problem uploading my copy of the torrent 
> somewhere.
> 
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Eric Shubert]

Alex Dean wrote:
> 
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
> 
>> Ryan Rix wrote:
>>> How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?
>>
>> I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use
>> the "limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution. Stupid
>> (or maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.
> 
> They're giving you a magazine and DVD for free.  How is that a scam?  
> (Are you expecting it to be full of adware?)
> 
> The 'limited time' thing is probably to create a sense of urgency, which 
> I agree is cheesy, but I hardly think that deserves to be called a 
> scam.  I'm sure they're hoping you'll like what you get, and maybe 
> subscribe for real.  Letting you try their magazine before you pay up 
> seems like a very honest way to promote their product.
> 

Thanks, Alex. Scam was the wrong word. How about ploy?

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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Alex Dean]

On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:


Alex Dean wrote:


On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:


Ryan Rix wrote:

How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?


I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to  
use
the "limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution.  
Stupid

(or maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.


They're giving you a magazine and DVD for free.  How is that a scam?
(Are you expecting it to be full of adware?)

The 'limited time' thing is probably to create a sense of urgency,  
which

I agree is cheesy, but I hardly think that deserves to be called a
scam.  I'm sure they're hoping you'll like what you get, and maybe
subscribe for real.  Letting you try their magazine before you pay up
seems like a very honest way to promote their product.



Thanks, Alex. Scam was the wrong word. How about ploy?


Sure, ploy it is.  Might have worked in my case.  I'm thinking about  
subscribing.


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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Eric Shubert]

Alex Dean wrote:
> 
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
> 
>> Alex Dean wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>>
 Ryan Rix wrote:
> How 'legal' is it for someone to upload the torrent somewhere?

 I don't know (IANAL). I think it's pretty cheesy of them though to use
 the "limited time" pitch and then use a torrent for distribution. 
 Stupid
 (or maybe not-so-stupid?) marketing scam.
>>>
>>> They're giving you a magazine and DVD for free.  How is that a scam?
>>> (Are you expecting it to be full of adware?)
>>>
>>> The 'limited time' thing is probably to create a sense of urgency, which
>>> I agree is cheesy, but I hardly think that deserves to be called a
>>> scam.  I'm sure they're hoping you'll like what you get, and maybe
>>> subscribe for real.  Letting you try their magazine before you pay up
>>> seems like a very honest way to promote their product.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Alex. Scam was the wrong word. How about ploy?
> 
> Sure, ploy it is.  Might have worked in my case.  I'm thinking about 
> subscribing.
> 

Me too, as long as I can get electronic delivery. My wife screams about 
printed media, mostly because it doesn't seem to get thrown away!

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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Stephen]

i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy subscriptions...

i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally

the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Ryan Rix]

>and DVD for free

How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
with the pdf

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy
> subscriptions...
>
> i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally
>
> the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
> magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
> dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
> deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
> take you the better part of 3 days.
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RE: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Lisa Kachold]

It's a great publication, but costly!

obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!
From: phrkonale...@gmail.com
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

>and DVD for free
 
How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip with 
the pdf


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:

i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy subscriptions...

i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally


the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a

deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
take you the better part of 3 days.



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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Stephen]

the software is linked in the "index" inside the zip

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> It's a great publication, but costly!
>
> obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
> 
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!
> From: phrkonale...@gmail.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> - Show quoted text -
>
>>and DVD for free
>
> How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
> with the pdf
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>
> i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy
> subscriptions...
>
> i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally
>
> the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
> magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
> dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
> deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
> take you the better part of 3 days.
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Ryan Rix]

Indeed. I buy an issue every once in a while, but dear god, 100$ annually is
way too much

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

>  It's a great publication, but costly!
>
> obnosis.com <http://www.obnosis.com/> | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
> --
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!
> From: phrkonale...@gmail.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>
>
> >and DVD for free
>
> How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
> with the pdf
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>
> i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy
> subscriptions...
>
> i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally
>
> the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
> magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
> dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
> deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
> take you the better part of 3 days.
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[AZ Rune]

The...

>and DVD for free

How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
with the pdf

...DVD link is below in the paragraph talking about it. Look once more I
found it :)

Brian
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> Indeed. I buy an issue every once in a while, but dear god, 100$ annually
> is way too much
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>>  It's a great publication, but costly!
>>
>> obnosis.com <http://www.obnosis.com/> | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:25 -0700
>> Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!
>> From: phrkonale...@gmail.com
>> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>
>> >and DVD for free
>>
>> How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
>> with the pdf
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>
>> i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy
>> subscriptions...
>>
>> i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally
>>
>> the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
>> magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
>> dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
>> deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
>> take you the better part of 3 days.
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Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!

[Ryan Rix]

The torrent has an info hash. Just tried to redownload it -- no seeds :(

Kind of cheesy of Linux format to do but w/e :)

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, AZ Rune  wrote:

> The...
>
> >and DVD for free
>
> How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
> with the pdf
>
> ...DVD link is below in the paragraph talking about it. Look once more I
> found it :)
>
> Brian
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:
>
>> Indeed. I buy an issue every once in a while, but dear god, 100$ annually
>> is way too much
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>>>  It's a great publication, but costly!
>>>
>>> obnosis.com <http://www.obnosis.com/> | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
>>> --
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:25 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: Free current issue Linux Format 24hrs!
>>> From: phrkonale...@gmail.com
>>> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>>
>>> >and DVD for free
>>>
>>> How did I miss the DVD iso? It wasn't in the torrent I got, just the zip
>>> with the pdf
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>>
>>> i have always liked Linux format, but im not good with hardcopy
>>> subscriptions...
>>>
>>> i like the idea of a browseable soft copy personally
>>>
>>> the DVD of stuff its cool, but not a bigone for me...  cause of that
>>> magazine's nature they rarely have something that has to come off the
>>> dvd since its a majority of opensource... and bandwidth isn't as big a
>>> deal as it once was, when pulling a 4 cd OS install over a mode could
>>> take you the better part of 3 days.
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Re: How to format an external hard drive?

[Jon M. Hanson]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
> I received a small 38-Gig external harddrive as a gift
> and it is apparently formatted with an ntfs file system.
> 
> It mounts automatically when I plug it in to my Mandriva
> system USB port, and I can read the files that are there,
> but I cannot write to it as it gives a message "read only
> file system."
> 
> So, what would be the best way to format it as a fat 32
> so I can plug it in and use it on either my Linux system
> or on my xp laptop?
> 
> While I have not used it for anything, below are some of the
> files that I found on this HD:
> 
> Contents of external HD:
> 
> /dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume
> /dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume
> 
> # cd /mnt/New_Volume
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 System Volume Information/
> # cd System*
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19 RECYCLER/
> -r  2 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 MountPointManagerRemoteDatabase
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18
> _restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}/
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18 RP471/
> -r  1 root root 1390 Sep 21 16:19 change.log
> # cat change.log
> \Device\HarddiskVolume9\System Volume
>  Information\_restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}
> \RP471\change.logd 
> \Converted2d`\RECYCLER`??x\
> RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006?? ??\
> RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
> desktop.inix\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006??`\
> RECYCLER`??
> \Converted2\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
> De1???CONVER~1??
> #
> # cd RECYCLER
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19
> S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006/
> 
> dr-x--  1 root root 12288 Sep 21 16:19 De1/
> -r  1 root root65 Sep 21 16:19 desktop.ini
> -r  1 root root   820 Sep 21 16:19 INFO2
> 
> # cat INFO2
> E:\Converted2??t'@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006]
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You can't format a mounted drive. You have to umount it first and then
run mkfs.vfat if you want to have it be a FAT filesystem.

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Re: How to format an external hard drive?

[Joey Prestia]

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Josef Lowder wrote:
> I received a small 38-Gig external harddrive as a gift
> and it is apparently formatted with an ntfs file system.
> 
> It mounts automatically when I plug it in to my Mandriva
> system USB port, and I can read the files that are there,
> but I cannot write to it as it gives a message "read only
> file system."
> 
> So, what would be the best way to format it as a fat 32
> so I can plug it in and use it on either my Linux system
> or on my xp laptop?
> 

First unplug the drive.

# fdisk -l

This will tell you which drive you dont want to format.

Plug in the other drive.

# fdisk -l

Now we know how your system recognizes the drive we want to format.

Now unmount the drive

# umount /dev/sdx# or whatever its called in place of sdx

# fdsik /dev/sdx # delete the ntfs part. and recreate it win95 LBA

# partprobe  # cause the kernel to reread the partition table

# mkfs.vfat /dev/sdx   # create a filesystem on it.

You should be able to remove and reinsert it and be in business.

I run Mandriva 2008 and have had problems with flash drives and fat
partitions and for me to be able to use them in both os's I had to
format them from windows.


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Re: How to format an external hard drive?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I have run NTFS systems before without any issue, the NTFS drivers can do RW 
without problem.
How old is your Mandriva?
Get Kubuntu...:)
Enrique A. Troconis 

PS: The instructions given to you that start "fdisl -l" are correct, so I'm 
omitting them. 

 


Josef Lowder writes: 

> I received a small 38-Gig external harddrive as a gift
> and it is apparently formatted with an ntfs file system. 
> 
> It mounts automatically when I plug it in to my Mandriva
> system USB port, and I can read the files that are there,
> but I cannot write to it as it gives a message "read only
> file system." 
> 
> So, what would be the best way to format it as a fat 32
> so I can plug it in and use it on either my Linux system
> or on my xp laptop? 
> 
> While I have not used it for anything, below are some of the
> files that I found on this HD: 
> 
> Contents of external HD: 
> 
> /dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume
> /dev/sda1  38G  212M   38G   1% /mnt/New_Volume 
> 
> # cd /mnt/New_Volume
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 System Volume Information/
> # cd System*
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19 RECYCLER/
> -r  2 root root 0 Feb 23  2006 MountPointManagerRemoteDatabase
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18
> _restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}/
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:18 RP471/
> -r  1 root root 1390 Sep 21 16:19 change.log
> # cat change.log
> ïÍ«ì\Device\HarddiskVolume9\System Volume
>  Information\_restore{D5341F9C-33F7-43CF-8BD2-1AE937C9BA1B}
> \RP471\change.logdïÍ«à \Converted2d`ïÍ«à\RECYCLER`¼ïÍ«àx\
> RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006¼ÔïÍ« à\
> RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
> desktop.iniÔ¼ïÍ«àx\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006¼`ïÍ«à\
> RECYCLER`þïÍ«à
> \Converted2\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006\
> De1▒CONVER~1þ
> #
> # cd RECYCLER
> # ls -ltr
> dr-x--  1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:19
> S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006/ 
> 
> dr-x--  1 root root 12288 Sep 21 16:19 De1/
> -r  1 root root65 Sep 21 16:19 desktop.ini
> -r  1 root root   820 Sep 21 16:19 INFO2 
> 
> # cat INFO2
> E:\Converted2Ðt'@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S-1-5-21-947519380-1418259369-3847320399-1006]
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How to rename and format a flash drive?

[joe]

How can I rename and format my cruzer 2-gig flash drive so I can install a
live distro?

Searching the 'net, I found pendrivelinux.com which offered a "Universal"
pen drive installer. When tried to use it, it couldn't see my flash drive.
I then found the instructions shown below to "Restore a USB Key to it's
original state."

All seemed to work well, until step #7: "umount /dev/sdx" ... fdisk
originally identified my flash drive by the name: sdf ... but after step
#7 did not work, the installer said that I should reboot the computer so
the flash drive would be recognized.  When I did that, the flash drive
then showed up as sdb1 (which didn't seem right) and the system now sees
it as a "DVD" drive and I can't do anything with it.

So, how can I rename this flash drive back to "sdf" and reformat it so I
can use it to install a Linux live iso?

   www.pendrivelinux.com/restoring-your-usb-key-partition/
To restore a flash pen drive to it's original state.
A. First delete the old partitions that remain on the USB key.
 1. Open a terminal and type sudo su
 2. Type fdisk -l and note your USB drive letter.
 3. Type fdisk /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)
 4. Type d to delete a partition
 5. Type 1 to select the 1st partition and press enter
 6. Type d to delete another partition (fdisk will select the second)

B. Next we need to create the new partition.
 1. Type n to make a new partition
 2. Type p to make this partition primary and press enter
 3. Type 1 to make this the first partition and then press enter
 4. Press enter to accept the default first cylinder
 5. Press enter again to accept the default last cylinder
 6. Type w to write the new partition information to the USB key

*** everything from this point on did not work ***

 7. Type umount /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)

C. Last step: create the fat filesystem.
 1. Type mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdx1 replace x with your USB key drive ltr

You now have a restored USB key with a single fat 16 partition.

*** And the flash drive is useless at this point. ***



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Re: How to rename and format a flash drive?

[joe]

> So, how can I rename this flash drive back to "sdf" and reformat it so I
> can use it to install a Linux live iso?

After further searching the 'net, I did find a way to format the flash
drive by using gparted.  But I still don't know how to set the name of the
drive to 'sdf' instead of 'sdb1' ... and the Universal live flash-drive
installer still does not find the flash drive.



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Re: How to rename and format a flash drive?

[Stephen]

try this one. It will fully format your drive at the same time as it
copies over your distro, whichever you want

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

I have used the windows version several times with great success. and
used the Linux version once. (worked)

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>
> How can I rename and format my cruzer 2-gig flash drive so I can install a
> live distro?
>
> Searching the 'net, I found pendrivelinux.com which offered a "Universal"
> pen drive installer. When tried to use it, it couldn't see my flash drive.
> I then found the instructions shown below to "Restore a USB Key to it's
> original state."
>
> All seemed to work well, until step #7: "umount /dev/sdx" ... fdisk
> originally identified my flash drive by the name: sdf ... but after step
> #7 did not work, the installer said that I should reboot the computer so
> the flash drive would be recognized.  When I did that, the flash drive
> then showed up as sdb1 (which didn't seem right) and the system now sees
> it as a "DVD" drive and I can't do anything with it.
>
> So, how can I rename this flash drive back to "sdf" and reformat it so I
> can use it to install a Linux live iso?
>
>   www.pendrivelinux.com/restoring-your-usb-key-partition/
> To restore a flash pen drive to it's original state.
> A. First delete the old partitions that remain on the USB key.
>  1. Open a terminal and type sudo su
>  2. Type fdisk -l and note your USB drive letter.
>  3. Type fdisk /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)
>  4. Type d to delete a partition
>  5. Type 1 to select the 1st partition and press enter
>  6. Type d to delete another partition (fdisk will select the second)
>
> B. Next we need to create the new partition.
>  1. Type n to make a new partition
>  2. Type p to make this partition primary and press enter
>  3. Type 1 to make this the first partition and then press enter
>  4. Press enter to accept the default first cylinder
>  5. Press enter again to accept the default last cylinder
>  6. Type w to write the new partition information to the USB key
>
> *** everything from this point on did not work ***
>
>  7. Type umount /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)
>
> C. Last step: create the fat filesystem.
>  1. Type mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdx1 replace x with your USB key drive ltr
>
> You now have a restored USB key with a single fat 16 partition.
>
> *** And the flash drive is useless at this point. ***
>
>
>
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Re: How to rename and format a flash drive?

[Dazed_75]

And if all that fails, try just having windows format it.  Give it the name
you want on the format dialog and DO NOT use quick format.  I don't know
what it is but Windows does something in the format that the Linix utilities
do not.  I've gotten at least two rives back that way.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> try this one. It will fully format your drive at the same time as it
> copies over your distro, whichever you want
>
> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
>
> I have used the windows version several times with great success. and
> used the Linux version once. (worked)
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> >
> > How can I rename and format my cruzer 2-gig flash drive so I can install
> a
> > live distro?
> >
> > Searching the 'net, I found pendrivelinux.com which offered a
> "Universal"
> > pen drive installer. When tried to use it, it couldn't see my flash
> drive.
> > I then found the instructions shown below to "Restore a USB Key to it's
> > original state."
> >
> > All seemed to work well, until step #7: "umount /dev/sdx" ... fdisk
> > originally identified my flash drive by the name: sdf ... but after step
> > #7 did not work, the installer said that I should reboot the computer so
> > the flash drive would be recognized.  When I did that, the flash drive
> > then showed up as sdb1 (which didn't seem right) and the system now sees
> > it as a "DVD" drive and I can't do anything with it.
> >
> > So, how can I rename this flash drive back to "sdf" and reformat it so I
> > can use it to install a Linux live iso?
> >
> >   www.pendrivelinux.com/restoring-your-usb-key-partition/
> > To restore a flash pen drive to it's original state.
> > A. First delete the old partitions that remain on the USB key.
> >  1. Open a terminal and type sudo su
> >  2. Type fdisk -l and note your USB drive letter.
> >  3. Type fdisk /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)
> >  4. Type d to delete a partition
> >  5. Type 1 to select the 1st partition and press enter
> >  6. Type d to delete another partition (fdisk will select the second)
> >
> > B. Next we need to create the new partition.
> >  1. Type n to make a new partition
> >  2. Type p to make this partition primary and press enter
> >  3. Type 1 to make this the first partition and then press enter
> >  4. Press enter to accept the default first cylinder
> >  5. Press enter again to accept the default last cylinder
> >  6. Type w to write the new partition information to the USB key
> >
> > *** everything from this point on did not work ***
> >
> >  7. Type umount /dev/sdx (replacing x with your drive letter)
> >
> > C. Last step: create the fat filesystem.
> >  1. Type mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdx1 replace x with your USB key drive ltr
> >
> > You now have a restored USB key with a single fat 16 partition.
> >
> > *** And the flash drive is useless at this point. ***
> >
> >
> >
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Re: How to rename and format a flash drive?

[joe]

Dazed_75 
> And if all that fails, try just having windows format it.
> Give it the name you want on the format dialog and DO NOT
> use quick format.  I don't know what it is but Windows does
> something in the format that the Linux utilities do not.

I don't use M-$haft. Surely there must be a way to do what
I need with Linux.



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Re: How to rename and format a flash drive?

[Dazed_75]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:45 AM,  wrote:

>
> Dazed_75 
> > And if all that fails, try just having windows format it.
> > Give it the name you want on the format dialog and DO NOT
> > use quick format.  I don't know what it is but Windows does
> > something in the format that the Linux utilities do not.
>
> I don't use M-$haft. Surely there must be a way to do what
> I need with Linux.
>
>
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I would think so too but I have not found it.  I do run Windows for gaming
and to try things for the people I support and for a few stick problems,
that has been the only solution that works.  I have not been able to find
out why.

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How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[joe]

What is the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to convert
a cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?



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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Matt Graham]

From: j...@actionline.com
> What is the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to convert
> a cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

0. Install ImageMagick (if it's not already there)
1. convert FILE.cr2 FILE.jpg
2. if FILE.jpg is not an appropriate JPEG, or you get an error message from
convert about image formats, that's when you go to
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php and start digging
for useful junk.  You may have to tell convert what the width and height of
the original were, for instance.

I've always grabbed files from my digicam as JPEG not RAW, but I could try
grabbing one as RAW and trying /usr/bin/convert after dinner.  Will let the
list know what I find, as it might educate me and/or the list.

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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[John]

You could use UFraw which has a plug-in for GIMP and then you just edit the 
image in GIMP.
 
http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/



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What is the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to convert
a cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?



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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Matt Graham]

From: "Matt Graham" 
> 1. convert FILE.cr2 FILE.jpg
> 2. if FILE.jpg is not an appropriate JPEG, or you get an error message...

> I've always grabbed files from my digicam as JPEG not RAW, but I could
> try grabbing one as RAW and trying /usr/bin/convert after dinner.

Well, #include .  According to everything I'm seeing in The Fine
Manual for my camera, it won't record still images in anything but JPEG.  Joe,
if you want to send me a test RAW image for me to try to fiddle with, please
do so.  If it's over 8M, use split to split it up into 4M slices before
mailing it to me, or holler at me off-list and I'll get you a user account so
you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.

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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[joe]

Thanks for the offer Matt. This question was actually for our daughter who
is home for a visit and doesn't have her usual system resources to do the
conversion as she is used to doing it. But the previous suggestion to use
'convert' worked okay albeit incredibly slowly.  She is at a much higher
level of expertise in both photography and computers than me and uses much
more sophisticated equipment.  I just use a point and shoot camera.  She
uses a sophisticated Canon to take 25-meg shots. I use a Kodak to take
1/2-meg jpg shots ;)


> From: "Matt Graham" 
>> 1. convert FILE.cr2 FILE.jpg
>> 2. if FILE.jpg is not an appropriate JPEG, or you get an error ...
>
>> I've always grabbed files from my digicam as JPEG not RAW, but I could
>> try grabbing one as RAW and trying /usr/bin/convert after dinner.
>
> Well, According to everything I'm seeing in The Fine Manual
> for my camera, it won't record still images in anything but JPEG.
> Joe, if you want to send me a test RAW image for me to try to fiddle
> with, please do so. If it's over 8M, use split to split it up into
> 4M slices before mailing it to me, or holler at me off-list and
> I'll get you a user account so
> you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.
> --
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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[AZ Pete]

Hi,

I do amateur phototaography and thought I'd chime in. Since your daughter is 
well versed with Canon RAW files I suspect she's using tools such as Adobe 
Photoshop and perhaps Canon RAW converter utilities. However, since she doesn't 
have access to her usual tools, she can use irfanview (www.irfanview.com). It's 
windows based freeware image display and converter application. When I want to 
do quick and dirty RAW conversions in batch, I use this.
Basically, it's the VLC of the image world, it'll display pretty much any image 
format in existence.  Unfortunately, it's only Windows based. If you're running 
only Linux, perhaps you can get it running via Wine.

Hope this helps.
Peter


On 11/1/2011 8:43 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


Thanks for the offer Matt. This question was actually for our daughter who
is home for a visit and doesn't have her usual system resources to do the
conversion as she is used to doing it. But the previous suggestion to use
'convert' worked okay albeit incredibly slowly.  She is at a much higher
level of expertise in both photography and computers than me and uses much
more sophisticated equipment.  I just use a point and shoot camera.  She
uses a sophisticated Canon to take 25-meg shots. I use a Kodak to take
1/2-meg jpg shots ;)



From: "Matt Graham"

1. convert FILE.cr2 FILE.jpg
2. if FILE.jpg is not an appropriate JPEG, or you get an error ...
I've always grabbed files from my digicam as JPEG not RAW, but I could
try grabbing one as RAW and trying /usr/bin/convert after dinner.

Well, According to everything I'm seeing in The Fine Manual
for my camera, it won't record still images in anything but JPEG.
Joe, if you want to send me a test RAW image for me to try to fiddle
with, please do so. If it's over 8M, use split to split it up into
4M slices before mailing it to me, or holler at me off-list and
I'll get you a user account so
you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.
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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Ted Gould]

On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 15:26 -0600, j...@actionline.com wrote:
> What is the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to convert
> a cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

If you want to adjust values in a GUI I enjoy Darktable:

http://linuxdesigner.com/articles/software/editing-raw-photos-with-darktable/
https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/darktable/

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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Lisa Kachold]

You can give me a shell/ftp/winscp account.



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On Nov 1, 2011 8:51 PM, "Matt Graham"  wrote:

> From: "Matt Graham" 
> > 1. convert FILE.cr2 FILE.jpg
> > 2. if FILE.jpg is not an appropriate JPEG, or you get an error message...
>
> > I've always grabbed files from my digicam as JPEG not RAW, but I could
> > try grabbing one as RAW and trying /usr/bin/convert after dinner.
>
> Well, #include .  According to everything I'm seeing in The
> Fine
> Manual for my camera, it won't record still images in anything but JPEG.
>  Joe,
> if you want to send me a test RAW image for me to try to fiddle with,
> please
> do so.  If it's over 8M, use split to split it up into 4M slices before
> mailing it to me, or holler at me off-list and I'll get you a user account
> so
> you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.
>
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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Matt Graham]

> On Nov 1, 2011 8:51 PM, "Matt Graham"  wrote:
>> or holler at me off-list and I'll get you a user account
>> so you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.
From: Lisa Kachold 
> You can give me a shell/ftp/winscp account.

80c0ffee:badfeed -- "holler at me off-list" condition not met.  Out of cheese
error.  Melon melon melon.

> 

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Re: How to convert cr2 (raw) image format to jpg?

[Alex Dean]

On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Matt Graham wrote:

>> On Nov 1, 2011 8:51 PM, "Matt Graham"  wrote:
>>> or holler at me off-list and I'll get you a user account
>>> so you can scp/WinSCP/sftp:// the file right to my webhost.
> From: Lisa Kachold 
>> You can give me a shell/ftp/winscp account.
> 
> 80c0ffee:badfeed -- "holler at me off-list" condition not met.  Out of cheese
> error.  Melon melon melon.
> 
>> 
> 
> I are serious Matt, this are serious mailing list.  (
> http://crow202.org/2008/cat_serious_magritte2.jpg )

Can I favorite this reply somehow?  Where is the Like button? ;)
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