Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread bpa

castalla wrote: 
 Does this mean that  when DASH is sprung upon users that all this pain
 will be repeated all over again?  [/Wailing and gnashing of teeth .]

Probably.

The BBC doesn't seem to care about ordinary listeners anymore especially
wrt change management. They broke iPlayer on a lot of Smart TVs by
ending feeds last Sept with the promise that Nitro API would be
available to all developers in a few months - 6 months later Nitro is
still beta BBC only.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread gasteropod

bpa wrote: 
 There is more to the this than just altering a conf file as LMS will get
 the Mime from the http URL and IIRC it is ambiguous and if set up
 wrongly may break playing other non HLS http streams.
Yes, that was the bit I was missing when wondering how to do this. I
could not see how we would detect that the stream was HLS to do the
conversion. I have never looked at the LMS code before so this was going
to take me a while to work out.

bpa wrote: 
 I did a hack job of a plugin for HLS / m3u8 about 2 yrs ago and it was
 revived last Aug   see
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97542-Any-ideas-why-this-stream-won-t-playp=728964viewfull=1#post728964
I saw this and did not understand it :o But I was thinking this was the
way to go.

bpa wrote: 
 I'll look at the BBC streams over the weekend if this is still a live
 issue.  Since BBC will be changing to DASH soon there is little point in
 putting much effort into this.
I thought DASH was an addition coming in the summer rather than a
replacement?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread castalla

bpa wrote: 
 Since BBC will be changing to DASH soon there is little point in putting
 much effort into this.

Does this mean that  when DASH is sprung upon users that all this pain
will be repeated all over again?  [/Wailing and gnashing of teeth .]



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng support thread

2015-02-11 Thread arressen

Thanks again pippin.  Here is the information you requested.

1 - previously it was loading the menu initially in something like 3
seconds.  I never actually timed it back then simply because I was very
happy with that performance.  Now it's taking 10-20 seconds and it's
frustrating when all you want to do is turn off the player.

2 - it does get better on consecutive starts - while the app is still in
memory then it's almost instantaneous.  Once it has loaded up then it
appears to stay in memory (cached) for a while.  However, it does not
stay like that for as long as 12 hours - again I've never timed it, but
for now at least I would say we're talking well less than one hour.  It
will take me a while to be able to get a more accurate value on that.

3- all IP addresses (that are relevant to the discussion) on my network
are reserved based on MAC address and never change.  Server, player,
iPad are always on their same IP addresses respectively.

4 - I would never do a full 'clear  re-scan' unless absolutely
necessary.  Overnight scans are always incremental.

5 - There is nothing shown in the server log to explain this.  The last
entry in the log is timed at 09:57:44 today, but I have seen the problem
happen a few times since then.

Hope that helps,
Richard



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: ShairTunes Plugin

2015-02-11 Thread straightc

I was never able to get it working on MAC. I ended up trying multiple
ways and doing plenty of research and troubleshooting, but could never
get any audio in the end. I ended up switching to using a 3rd party
Airplay Server like Reflect or Air Server and then funneling that stream
into NiceCast and having the Squeezebox tune into that MP3 stream. Sure
its not audiophile quality, but it works very reliably. 

I am a Spotify user, which was the main reason I looked to do this b/c
the 3rd Spotify plugin is lacking. I assumed I would have to Airplay
this, but actually the desktop client can be controlled via the Spotify
mobile app, so I can tune SqueezeBox into NiceCast and have NiceCast
specifically re-broadcast audio from the Spotify App and NiceCast has
the nice benefit of supporting track names, etc. for specific
applications like Spotify so track information comes across to
Squeezebox display.

All of this is fairly easily scriptable, so I can click a few buttons on
my phone to ensure all appropriate apps are launched and Squeezebox is
tuned in.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread bpa

gasteropod wrote: 
 This seems to be an HDS stream rather than the earlier quoted HLS
 streams which VLC can play. It looks like VLC cannot handle HDS
 natively.
 
 I think ffmpeg can handle both HLS and HDS (maybe with a patch), so
 someone more familiar with LMS may be able to create entries in
 custom-convert.conf to use ffmpeg to convert these to flac to allow them
 to be played on a squeezebox.

There is more to the this than just altering a conf file as LMS will get
the Mime from the http URL and IIRC it is ambiguous and if set up
wrongly may break playing other non HLS http streams.

I did a hack job of a plugin for HLS / m3u8 about 2 yrs ago and it was
revived last Aug   see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97542-Any-ideas-why-this-stream-won-t-playp=728964viewfull=1#post728964

I'll look at the BBC streams over the weekend if this is still a live
issue.  Since BBC will be changing to DASH soon there is little point in
putting much effort into this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread bpa

gasteropod wrote: 
 
 I used a trick - adding by getting the user to add a prefix protocol
 designation to the HLS URL - (e.g. http://.. become xplay://http://...)
 - that way it bypasses all LMS http processing - quick and dirty but
 means no changes.  The best solution would be to change LMS to supprt
 HLS/HDS/DASH but that is a bigger task and needs someone with time and I
 worry that nature of HLS (small fragemenbt of audio each possibly with
 different bit rate characteristics) could cause problems for old SB
 players.
 
I thought DASH was an addition coming in the summer rather than a
  replacement?  
 I don't believe the BBC has fully revealed their plans - HLS is Apple
 proprietary and not well structured - it may not work well with large
 number of BBC users. Why go with a format which can be tweaked/changed
 by a vendor - BBC will then have to follow wherever Apple leads them.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread castalla

bpa wrote: 
 Probably.
 
 The BBC doesn't seem to care about ordinary listeners anymore especially
 wrt change management. They broke iPlayer on a lot of Smart TVs by
 ending feeds last Sept with the promise that Nitro API would be
 available to all developers in a few months - 6 months later Nitro is
 still beta BBC only.

They certainly seem to be junking a heck of a lot of goodwill by chasing
after the social media tablet/smartphone generation



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread gasteropod

bpa wrote: 
 I used a trick -  by getting the user to add a prefix protocol
 designation to the HLS URL - (e.g. http://.. become xplay://http://...)
 - that way it bypasses all LMS http processing - quick and dirty but
 means no changes to LMS.  The best solution would be to change LMS to
 supprt HLS/HDS/DASH but that is a bigger task and needs someone with
 time and I worry that nature of HLS (small fragemenbt of audio each
 possibly with different bit rate characteristics) could cause problems
 for old SB players.
Ok, that makes sense, I think I understand now. I did not see where the
xplay came from and did not realise that was the URL that would be
entered. I might be able to hack something using this knowledge.

bpa wrote: 
 I don't believe the BBC has fully revealed their plans - HLS is Apple
 proprietary and not well structured - it may not work well with large
 number of BBC users. Why go with a format which can be tweaked/changed
 by a vendor - BBC will then have to follow wherever Apple leads them.
Yes, that is true, but unless Apple supports DASH, they are too big a
market to disable HLS.

Thanks for your replies. If I get time and get something working, I'll
report back, but it would probably not be before the weekend either.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread ModelCitizen

Cheers Sid.  xxx

last.fm/user/modelcitizen



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-02-11 Thread slartibartfast

I've just noticed that the alarm sounds available are mostly in German.
Sound effects, natural sounds etc are affected. I have set language to
English. Is there a way to change this?





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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread W92Neriah

Another multi Squeezebox user seriously upset by another BBC blunder :(

@Triode: Hoping you can save 'us' from more tech pain. If you want to
put a 'PayPal donation' link on your profile page I'd happily donate
towards your costs for updating the BBC iPlayer plugin for LMS - It is
awesome and I really hope we will get it working again with decent
quality ACC or equivalent streams.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread fgj

I'm a longtime user of Spotify and this great plugin and it has worked
flawless on my different devices.
I can use the players interface to navigate Spotify and mostly I use it
through Orangesqueeze on my phone. 

But I can't find a webinterface (servername:9000) to navigate it. Can
anyone give me a hint of what I'm missing here? A setting or something?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Siduhe

It takes quite a bit to drag me back onto the forums these days, but
this has certainly done it. - for those who haven't seen it, Jim Simmons
has recently posted on the BBC blog:

Jim Simmons wrote: 
 Squeezebox users. Hello! One of my colleagues is talking to Triode
 amongst others about what we can do for you. I don't know what the
 outcome will be yet but we will do our best. It seems that our shoutcast
 streams can be accessed at this time through radiofeeds or tunein. I
 don't have a Squeezebox myself so I can't offer any further advice. which is 
 good, if a little vague.

It's worth reading his whole post though which just makes me despair
about what the future focus of BBC streaming is going to be - smartphone
and tablets seem clearly to be the priority now.

Can't seem to link direct but it's comment 170 in the url below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/977a1954-658f-4fb2-a23c-71680c49882f?comments_page=2initial_page_size=20filter=nonesortBy=CreatedsortOrder=Descending#comments



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread gallafent

So, the live stream locations that have been published here so far seem
to work OK and provide 128kb/s AAC at 48kHz sample rate, … but of course
I'm looking for the 320kb/s stream for Radio 3.

http
://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hds/uk/hd/llnw/bbc_radio_three.f4m
looks like quite a good starting point, but I'm not sure quite how to
turn that into something that I can play anywhere (even with VLC or
mplayer, let alone through LMS to a squeezebox!).

Apologies for the space in the above URI, forum rules prevent me from
posting links as a new user.

I do wonder what the thinking was behind the new-world AAC streams being
“kept secret”.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread cathcam

HectorHughMunro wrote: 
 These aren't high quality but if you put these in your favourites, they
 should work and get you through the day until the BBC sees sense.  I
 don't know if these will work for non UK residents.
 
 Radio 4
 http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/vpid/bbc_radio_fourfm/format/pls.pls
 

Indeed, still working here(Austin, TX), the pls file resolves into
http://bbcmedia.ic.llnwd.net/stream/bbcmedia_radio4fm_mf_p?s=1423660772e=1423675172h=71f6fe4cc4cafe63f06d0828d3ae618b

Which I can open directly in tools like VLC.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread gasteropod

gallafent wrote: 
 So, the live stream locations that have been published here so far seem
 to work OK (in for example VLC), and provide 128kb/s AAC at 48kHz sample
 rate, and so look good for getting to a LMS / Squeezebox solution quite
 quickly, but of course I'm looking for the 320kb/s stream for Radio 3.
 
 http
 ://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hds/uk/hd/llnw/bbc_radio_three.f4m
 looks like quite a good starting point, but I'm not sure quite how to
 turn that into something that I can play anywhere (even with VLC or
 mplayer, let alone through LMS to a squeezebox!).

This seems to be an HDS stream rather than the earlier quoted HLS
streams which VLC can play. It looks like VLC cannot handle HDS
natively.

I think ffmpeg can handle both HLS and HDS (maybe with a patch), so
someone more familiar with LMS may be able to create entries in
custom-convert.conf to use ffmpeg to convert these to flac to allow them
to be played on a squeezebox.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread gasteropod

It looks like the latest ffmpeg 2.5.3 can only encode HDS but not
decode. It can decode HLS though so in theory ffmpeg can be used to
decode the HLS streams and convert to flac for playback:

$ ffmpeg -formats 2/dev/null | grep -e hds -e hls
E hdsHDS Muxer
E hls Apple HTTP Live Streaming
D  hls,applehttp   Apple HTTP Live Streaming



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: ShairTunes Plugin

2015-02-11 Thread RikkP

Hello,
I didn't find an how-to for the installation of the *plugin *and the
*helper *on synology NAS (X64). There is a link to a package / how-to ?

Thanks for help.

Regards, 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng support thread

2015-02-11 Thread pippin

arressen wrote: 
 
 - is it possible that we could have settings control over how aggressive
 the startup process is?  The decision on whether we want to hit the
 server hard or not is then our choice to trade off one versus the
 other.
 - alternatively, would it be possible to cache the player details and
 refresh in the background, similar to the library media content?
 

No, that's not how this works. The problem with the previous way of
handling the startup was that the aggressive reconnect often
re-requested everything even though the original menu was fine but just
a little late, throwing away perfectly fine data and therefore actually
making the startup process much longer for a lot of users.
In a well-working setup the whole menu should load within 3-5s after
start.

Caching is risky, the concept is that the menu is only valid at the time
it gets transmitted by the server so there is no indication whether it
still is. All other Apps and the Squeezeboxes also re-request it every
time it's opened, the Squeezeboxes, however, maintain a permanent
connection to the server as long as they are powered on, something an
App can only do while it's running. A previously cached menu could be
wrong in many points and there would be no way to know about it.

What we need to do is find out about what's going wrong in your case and
why it's taking the server longer than the usual 2-3s to deliver a
menu.

What I see for my server is that usually the first time I request a menu
after not having used it from a client for a longer time (12h or so) it
takes longer for the menu to be delivered. I believe that is because the
menu, too, gets _created_ on the server side only after it is requested
and then it's cached for a while, I don't know how long but definitely
hours. If the menu is cached, it can be delivered more or less
instantaneously.

In my setup, a cold start requiring after several hours of not using a
client takes around 20s for the menu to show up, all consecutive
requests will then be fast for several hours, even from other clients.
This _might_ be because my library NAS goes to sleep and takes several
seconds to wake up, maybe the server will check something on that disc
before returning the menu, my server itself never sleeps.

Your nightly rescans also might play a role.

So a few more questions:

  
-  If it takes long for iPeng to get the menu, _how_ long exactly is
  that? 20s? A Minute?
-  Does it get better on consecutive starts?
-  Does your server and/or iThingy change it's IP address?
-  Do you do a ClearRescan overnight? This would add a lot of load
  on iPeng's initial start because after a clearrescan iPeng will throw
  away it's cache and re-request everything (the cache would be
  worthless and invalid anyhow) creating a lot of load and delays. It's
  usually better to do an incremental rescan, especially with 7.8 which
  no longer has 7.7's limitations (e.g. changed artwork will now be
  found)
-  Is there anything in server.log after iPeng connects and takes long
  to get the menu? Could you send me a server.log?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread Diana

fgj wrote: 
 I'm a longtime user of Spotify and this great plugin and it has worked
 flawless on my different devices.
 I can use the players interface to navigate Spotify and mostly I use it
 through Orangesqueeze on my phone. 
 But I can't find a webinterface (servername:9000) to navigate it. Can
 anyone give me a hint of what I'm missing here? A setting or something?

I assume you mean the web interface at localhost:9000 (or server IP
address:9000)? 
You find it there under My Apps

HTH



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread fgj

kidstypike wrote: 
 Just a thought - if you're using Triode's 3rd party Spotify plugin, look
 under Radio, not My Apps
In the settings for Triodes Spotify plugin, there is a setting Show in
My Apps and this setting is chosen.
I am not using the official Spotify plugin only the Triode plugin.
Spotify is neither under the Radio section in the menu.
Well, it is not a big thing for me, I can do without, but I am puzzled
with this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread JohnB

W92Neriah wrote: 
 Another multi Squeezebox user seriously upset by another BBC blunder :(
 
 @Triode: Hoping you can save 'us' from more tech pain. If you want to
 put a 'PayPal donation' link on your profile page I'd happily donate
 towards your costs for updating the BBC iPlayer plugin for LMS - It is
 awesome and I really hope we will get it working again with decent
 quality ACC or equivalent streams.

I agree with both points.

This is devastating news, such arrogance on the part of the BBC.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

fgj wrote: 
 Yes, I mean the web interface at localhost:9000.
 But there is nothing under My Apps except a link to AppGallery which
 brings me to mysqueezebox.com

In the LMS webui have you entered your mysqueezebox.com credentials at
Settings  mysqueezebox.com tab?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread ModelCitizen

I can only add my agreement. 6 squeezeboxes and mostly I listen to BBC
radio on them. I'm still lamenting the loss of bpa's BBC iPlayer Extra
plugin, but now to have iPlayer go too is getting a bit final.
I'm tempted to stop paying my licence fee. The organisation has even
ruined the Archer's for me, and don't get me going on the total
bo*** that they've made of the World Service with that cringemaking
Newsday.  I used to revere the BBC but that's not the case now.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

fgj wrote: 
 Yes, I mean the web interface at localhost:9000.
 But there is nothing under My Apps except a link to AppGallery which
 brings me to mysqueezebox.com

Just a thought - if you're using Triode's 3rd party Spotify plugin, look
under Radio, not My Apps



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread fgj

Diana wrote: 
 I assume you mean the web interface at localhost:9000 (or server IP
 address:9000)? 
 You find it there under My Apps
 
 HTH
Yes, I mean the web interface at localhost:9000.
But there is nothing under My Apps except a link to AppGallery which
brings me to mysqueezebox.com



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread PasTim

Another very disgruntled listener here.  

The only blessing is that there is still such a strong community here
and some sort of solution might be found.  I only wish my technical
skill were up to helping with that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Chippy

Does anyone have the links for Radio 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra? 

I've been trying to guess them without success. Any help before the
Cricket World Cup starts would be appreciated!

cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Chippy

kidstypike wrote: 
 Assuming you're running LMS, Search Tunein Radio for 5 live.

Awesome - I'd missed that as it wasn't in the radio menu. Many thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Jeff07971

Sorry that was meant for Patrick Dixon

Finger trouble ! :)

Jeff



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Owen Smith

JohnB wrote: 
 I agree with both points.
 
 This is devastating news, such arrogance on the part of the BBC.

This was always going to be the case with online streaming media and
smart TVs etc. The formats simply are not going to stay the same for the
15+ years we are used to with broadcast technology. Computer stuff
becomes obsolete and unsupported a lot faster than we're used to, and it
would cost the BBC a fortune in taking on maintenance of old
discontinued systems to do so.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

Klammer wrote: 
 Hi,
 I have the Radio Feeds app installed but my SB3s and Booms won't play
 the mp3 feeds, can you help please?
 Thanks

Mp3 feeds though Radio Feeds are working fine for me on my Classic.  Try
Tunein Radio instead.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Patrick Dixon

How do I get Tunein Radio?

I only have a TuneIn URL on the browser UI although the TuneIn pluging
says it's installed?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

Patrick Dixon wrote: 
 How do I get Tunein Radio?
 
 I only have a TuneIn URL on the browser UI although the TuneIn pluging
 says it's installed?

Dunno, it's ages since I delved into Radio apps and plugins, however, as
far as I'm aware, the menu choices under the Radio section are the same
as those in the Tunein Radio App. So try Radio  Local  your area, and
pick a station.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread W92Neriah

I have Logitech Squeezebox 'Duet'  'Radio' players connecting to
Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 on Windows (yes that is an old version, but if
it aint broke...): If we are lucky enough for Triode  the BBC etc. to
sort out the iPlayer plug-in to give us back the AAC streams will I be
able to update my iPlayer plugin on v7.5.5, or will I need to 'upgrade'
to Logitech Media Server :confused: (which I get the impression might be
a 'downgrade' in some ways)?

Thanks in advance :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread ModelCitizen

Crikey. They're all coming out of the woodwork now! Thanks for the SB+
Patrick. Mine's still going strong (but not the BBC Radio bit,
obviously).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng support thread

2015-02-11 Thread pippin

arressen wrote: 
 
 1 - previously it was loading the menu initially in something like 3
 seconds.  I never actually timed it back then simply because I was very
 happy with that performance.  Now it's taking 10-20 seconds and it's
 frustrating when all you want to do is turn off the player.
 
So you are seeing this even if a player is running? That's indeed quite
long.
I have only be seeing this is the server really has not been used at all
for quite a while.

One more thing: you mention something about not being able to e.g. power
off a player: does this mean you don't even see the list of players?
That would be a different issue then, this means iPeng doesn't even have
a connection to the server and the server status has not yet come in.
This sounds more like an issue with your iThingy getting disconnected
from WiFi and having to reconnect or something (if the server is up and
running and even music is playing on some players).

 
 2 - it does get better on consecutive starts - while the app is still in
 memory then it's almost instantaneous.
 
I meant with consecutive cold starts. If the App stays in memory it
_looks_ faster (the player list and menu is preserved) but menus should
then re-initialize whenever the main menu comes in. If you can't even
get the initial connection done then any commands sent to the player
should fail, too.

 
 Once it has loaded up then it appears to stay in memory (cached) for a
 while.  However, it does not stay like that for as long as 12 hours -
 again I've never timed it, but for now at least I would say we're
 talking well less than one hour.  It will take me a while to be able to
 get a more accurate value on that.
 
There is no time limit. iOS suspends Apps in the background but keeps
them in memory as long as the memory isn't otherwise needed. If some
other App needs lots of memory, the suspended App gets purged from
memory and needs to restart when you want to go back.

One thing to prevent this is to keep iPeng active in the background
(Settings-iPeng Settings-Preserve Connection but it will impact
battery life since the App stays active in this case.

 
 5 - There is nothing shown in the server log to explain this.  The last
 entry in the log is timed at 09:57:44 today, but I have seen the problem
 happen a few times since then.
 

You mean the server logs _nothing_ when iPeng connects??? Are you sure
you are using that server? Usually the server should at least throw a
lot of warnings due to some bugs in internal components, it usually does
that whenever a device requests a menu.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Jeff07971

Hi kidstypike 

Did you restart your server, I had to do this before it appeared

Jeff



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Klammer

kidstypike wrote: 
 Assuming you're running LMS, Search Tunein Radio for 5 live.

Hi,
I have the Radio Feeds app installed but my SB3s and Booms won't play
the mp3 feeds, can you help please?
Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

Jeff07971 wrote: 
 Hi kidstypike 
 
 Did you restart your server, I had to do this before it appeared
 
 Jeff
I don't have a problem :confused:



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Owen Smith

W92Neriah wrote: 
 I have Logitech Squeezebox 'Duet'  'Radio' players connecting to
 Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 on Windows (yes that is an old version, but if
 it aint broke...): If we are lucky enough for Triode  the BBC etc. to
 sort out the iPlayer plug-in to give us back the AAC streams will I be
 able to update my iPlayer plugin on v7.5.5, or will I need to 'upgrade'
 to Logitech Media Server :confused: (which I get the impression might be
 a 'downgrade' in some ways)?
 
 Thanks in advance :)

How can you say If it aint broke... about 7.5.5? I started with 7.5.4
and went through all the 7.5 series on my Duet. The 7.5 series was very
flaky and buggy, always falling over, Reciever rebooting, server doing
stupid things etc. It was agony, I nearly gave up on SqueezeBoxes. 7.6.0
was differently flaky, and then came the sheer bliss of 7.6.1. Every LMS
release from 7.6.1 onwards has been fine, individual bugs yes bit not
the mass instability of 7.5.x or 7.6.0.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread castalla

Owen Smith wrote: 
 This was always going to be the case with online streaming media and
 smart TVs etc. The formats simply are not going to stay the same for the
 15+ years we are used to with broadcast technology. Computer stuff
 becomes obsolete and unsupported a lot faster than we're used to, and it
 would cost the BBC a fortune in taking on maintenance of old
 discontinued systems to do so.

I disagree with your analysis.  The formats the BBC provided were
compatible with a vast array of devices.  What they are doing is
introducing formats which are supported by only a selected range of
devices - seemingly smartphones and tablets.  The users of these are
highly unlikely to actually consume more than a small percentage of what
the BBC outputs.

It's like the old adage of 'the inmates taking over the asylum', only
this time it's the geeks taking over the medium under the guidance of
Senior Managers.  This fiasco is likely to rank alongside the Passport
Office computer debacle, the NHS computerisation project, and the great
Universal Credit scheme. 

It's obvious that nobody thought to do a competent analysis of existing
users before this ridiculous 'Audio Factory' nonsense was signed off. 
Now they are scrambling around trying to justify what they've set in
train.

There are 100s of complaints on the Audio Factory blog - there are
probably 1000s of other uses out there across a wide range of platforms
who are just left in silence wondering what the heck is going on.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread fgj

Man in a van wrote: 
 have you restarted the LMS?

I actually kind of solved the problem by fiddling with this setting.
I haven't touch this settings, at least I can't remember changing it,
but I tried unchecking it, restarted the server and there it was: the
Spotify under the Radio-menu!

Then I tried checking the setting again and restart the server: No
Spotify-menuitem neither in Radio or in My Apps menu.

Maybe this is a bug and this setting is not working?

But I'm happy now: once again unchecking brings Spotify back under
Radio-menu and I certainly can live with that. 
Thanks for all helping me solving this issue!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread castalla

The BBC complaints page:
https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?reset=#anchor

Choose Radio for your complaint as the Online option bungs you off to
Technical Faults !



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2015-02-11 Thread Man in a van

fgj wrote: 
 In the settings for Triodes Spotify plugin, there is a setting Show in
 My Apps and this setting is chosen.
 I am not using the official Spotify plugin only the Triode plugin.
 Spotify is neither under the Radio section in the menu.
 Well, it is not a big thing for me, I can do without, but I am puzzled
 with this.



have you restarted the LMS?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread kidstypike

Chippy wrote: 
 Does anyone have the links for Radio 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra? 
 
 I've been trying to guess them without success. Any help before the
 Cricket World Cup starts would be appreciated!
 
 cheers
 Chippy

Assuming you're running LMS, Search Tunein Radio for 5 live.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread castalla

Chippy wrote: 
 Awesome - I'd missed that as it wasn't in the radio menu. Many thanks!

If there are rights associated with the cricket then you won't hear it -
the mp3 streams are only international.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Squeeze Control, a squeezebox remote app, is now available for Android

2015-02-11 Thread wt0

fphredd wrote: 
 Seems I may be one of the unlucky ones on  Windows Phone - Nolia Lumia
 Icon (929)
 Does not show local servers or launch keyboard. this is Windows Phone
 8.0 - Will update if 8.1 resolves. Otherwise, feel free to use me to
 test anything you might try to make it work from your end (I have no
 idea where the problem lies, obviously).
 
 thanks for any help.

So it won't open the keyboard when you try to edit a text field? If so,
there's nothing I can do about that, it's an automatic function of the
textfield.  Try Win Phone 8.1.  I test on a Lumia 920.  If you can get a
keyboard open, try manually adding a server and see if it will connect
to that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread vinnielo

Klammer wrote: 
 Hi,
 I have the Radio Feeds app installed but my SB3s and Booms won't play
 the mp3 feeds, can you help please?
 Thanks
Which mp3 streams are these?
Please can you name the stations where you're experiencing these
problems.
Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Squeeze Control, a squeezebox remote app, is now available for Android

2015-02-11 Thread fphredd

Seems I may be one of the unlucky ones on  Windows Phone - Nolia Lumia
Icon (929)
Does not show local servers or launch keyboard. this is Windows Phone
8.0 - Will update if 8.1 resolves. Otherwise, feel free to use me to
test anything you might try to make it work from your end (I have no
idea where the problem lies, obviously).

thanks for any help.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Klammer

Using the Radiofeeds app I can listen to BBC Radio Leeds on a WMP stream
but all other links to stream national radio as mp3 shows Error:No
items found in playlist.  Of course, any attempt to stream WMP apart
from local radio lets me listen to the Will Self impersonator telling me
that The BBC no longer provides this service



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread ian_heys

Another complaint submitted.

In yesterday's confusion I did find out that my Revo SuperConnect Radio
will directly decode the BBC's HLS/AAC streams in the near future.
Won't hold my breath though.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread expectingtofly

majones wrote: 
 Well done for finding the streams. Having tried them in LMS, you're
 right that they don't play - presumably because we need a transcoder
 plugin that deals with the HLS/HDS streaming protocols? Hopefully Triode
 can work that one out? It doesn't look good for us when Listen Again
 switches to HLS/HDS.

Yes, that's correct, I believe.   Mplayer can play those HLS streams
(I've tried it), so I presume the playwma plugin that does similar
transcoding for wma streams can be easily adapted to do the same for the
HLS streams



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread majones

expectingtofly wrote: 
 Yes, that's correct, I believe.   Mplayer can play those HLS streams
 (I've tried it), so I presume the playwma plugin that does similar
 transcoding for wma streams can be easily adapted to do the same for the
 HLS streams
It looks like the ingredients are there for a solution, and hopefully
one of our community can provide the plugin. Fingers crossed. One thing
that comes through to me in all this is that having LMS at the core of
the Squeezebox concept, with it's capability to process pretty much
whatever is thrown at it, was an amazingly forward-looking idea on the
part of the Slimdevices guys.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread mphearn

Owen Smith wrote: 
 Listen Again still seems to be working, even for things broadcast just a
 couple of hours ago. Radio 3 in 320kbps AAC and Radio 2 in 128kbps AAC.
 
 Given the huge fuss about this I assumed Listen Again was broken also.
 If I want to listen live I have the options of FM, DAB and Freeview all
 using equipment I already own. Does anyone here really not own receivers
 for any of those?
 
 It's Listen Again that really matters (to me anyway), because unless you
 had the foresight to record something in advance there is no other way
 to listen to it.
 
 Now I would like listening live to work again. But I really don't see it
 as quite so desperately must be fixed by tomorrow levels of urgency
 others here and on the BBC blog have been stating.

I entirely agree with you, it is 'Listen Again' which really matters to
me and, as I write, it is still working! Let's hope it continues to
work!!!

Live BBC Radio channels can still be received by using 'Search' at the
Squeezebox top level menu and then saving to Favourites.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread majones

Owen Smith wrote: 
 Given the huge fuss about this I assumed Listen Again was broken also.
Start counting the minutes until is. And there won't be MP3 options.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Cessquill

mphearn wrote: 
 Live BBC Radio channels can still be received by using 'Search' at the
 Squeezebox top level menu and then saving to Favourites.

My experience of going down the Internet Radio or Search route is that
the streams seem to cut out frequently.  I was doing so this morning,
and after five minutes, nothing.  Same the other day.  That was a rarity
with the old system.

I personally rarely use listen again, I do not own FM/DAB receivers, and
I'm not going to turn my TV on in the front room so that I can listen to
freeview radio in the bedroom.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng support thread

2015-02-11 Thread arressen

Thanks for your response pippin.  Here is what I've done:

1. Re-started the LMS - tried both stop/start the service (without
reboot), and then also rebooted the RPi
2. Installed the latest nightly build for 7.8.1 (1423565104) and
rebooted the RPi

Unfortunately they have not made any difference to the startup time.  I
can also confirm that the server is not scanning - I have that scheduled
to run overnight, other than occasional manual rebuilds which I initiate
myself.  And our router/broadband should not be a problem (24ms pings to
MySqueezebox.com, and typically 75Mbps d/l and 17Mbps u/l).  I can't
speak for performance on the other end, but don't suspect any problems.

Just to be clear, the app itself is displayed immediately - it's just
building the content that takes time.  The media list is displayed
straightaway, but I believe that is cached on the device anyway so I'm
not surprised.  Next it determines the current playlist and displays
that, also a placeholder for the current track artwork (but with a
default graphic shown).  Then it gets the correct artwork.  And then
some time later it works out the correct menu list to display.

By comparison, I don't see the same issues with other controllers, but I
am seeing the same problem on my wife's iPad (v2, also 8.1.3).  Your
comments about the less aggressive approach in iPeng 8.0.4 seem to be
the more likely the explanation for what is happening.  

A couple of thoughts:

- is it possible that we could have settings control over how aggressive
the startup process is?  The decision on whether we want to hit the
server hard or not is then our choice to trade off one versus the
other.
- alternatively, would it be possible to cache the player details and
refresh in the background, similar to the library media content?

Best regards,
Richard



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread mphearn

majones wrote: 
 Start counting the minutes until is. And there won't be MP3 options.

Presumably an new BBC iPlayer plugin for LMS to provide all the previous
functionality could be created?  Triode? bpa?? anybody else???



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread majones

expectingtofly wrote: 
 Working out what the HLS AAC stream url doesn't seem to be that tricky.
 However, I presume that finding out the URL is not the problem anyway,
 but getting the squeezebox server to support HLS streaming is the main
 challenge to overcome?
Well done for finding the streams. Having tried them in LMS, you're
right that they don't play - presumably because we need a transcoder
plugin that deals with the HLS/HDS streaming protocols? Hopefully Triode
can work that one out? It doesn't look good for us when Listen Again
switches to HLS/HDS.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread majones

mphearn wrote: 
 Thank you for your perception. All of a sudden I feel optimistic for the
 future. My Squeezeboxes have become a part of my life!
It's just an extension of the cleverness of LMS that we already enjoy
- my Boom can't handle AAC, but right now I'm listening to Listen Again
Radio 3 streaming at 320kps AAC courtesy of LMS converting it to 705kbps
FLAC.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Squeeze Control, a squeezebox remote app, is now available for Android

2015-02-11 Thread elim92

That's very sad to hear, I noticed today that your app was completely
removed from my past orders as well (wtf, Google?)... 
It now appears as if I've never bought that app - unfortunately, I got a
new phone today and am now unable to install Squeeze Control anymore :(
Could you perhaps make an apk available for buyers of your app? It would
be a shame if such a good app just vanishes from one day to the other...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread mphearn

majones wrote: 
 It looks like the ingredients are there for a solution, and hopefully
 one of our community can provide the plugin. Fingers crossed. One thing
 that comes through to me in all this is that having LMS at the core of
 the Squeezebox concept, with it's capability to process pretty much
 whatever is thrown at it, was an amazingly forward-looking idea on the
 part of the Slimdevices guys.

Thank you for your perception. All of a sudden I feel optimistic for the
future. My Squeezeboxes have become a part of my life!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Owen Smith

Richie wrote: 
 I don't have FM or DAB. I guess I could use the TV to listen through
 Freeview. The main advantage, for me, of having multiple squeezeboxes is
 that instead of having the music / radio cranked up in one room so that
 I can hear it all around the house, I can have it playing at a sensible
 volume in multiple rooms all synced together.
 
 Richard

I could never get synced playback to work. I changed to wireless
speakers on my main hifi, so I can distribute whatever is playing on my
hifi throughout the house whether that is SqueezeBox, DAB, FM, Freeview,
cassette tape, DVD etc.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-02-11 Thread Klammer

castalla wrote: 
 The BBC complaints page:
 https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?reset=#anchor
 
 Choose Radio for your complaint as the Online option bungs you off to
 Technical Faults !

Thanks for the link, Complaint submitted. Hopefully we'll get enough
people doing the same so we can get our radios fixed.



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