[SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
I'm thinking of getting some headphones to use for LMS, and I'm looking into iPeng's Playback facility to do this. (This is the iPeng add-on that effectively turns an iPhone or iPad into an LMS/Squeezebox player.) The iPad I'd use is a mini 4. I believe the out from iPeng through the headphone jack on that would be good enough to make for a reasonably high quality noise. Correct? I'm considering the well-rated Grado SR80x cans, which have an impedance of about 35 ohms. I'm assuming they're OK for the iPad to drive without assistance as I have a cheap pair of about 32 ohms that seem OK through that route. Anyone using a similar setup with advice or comments? (Wasn't sure exactly where to post this, but figured iPeng = software probably closest.) whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Depends what you mean by good enough. Should work ok but youll get better audio by using a Lightning to USB cable (Apple Camera Converter) and an Audioquest Dragonfly. I used to use this config with my B&W P7s. iPeng via the Dragonfly supports up to 24/96. I have also used other portable USB DACs but some arent loud enough/wouldnt drive the headphones. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Jim, thanks for that. Quick glance at Amazon shows variable prices for what looks like different colours of the Audioquest Dragonfly—90 quid for black, 200 for red, etc. I presume there are technical differences? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
whitman wrote: > Jim, thanks for that. > > Quick glance at Amazon shows variable prices for what looks like > different colours of the Audioquest Dragonfly90 quid for black, 200 for > red, etc. > > I presume there are technical differences? Yes but black will be more than good enough. If you are in UK which I think you are Id say get the Lightning USB cable then take your iPad, cable and headphones to Richer Sounds and test the Dragonfly before you buy. If it works to your satisfaction with the native iOS music app and some music you know well then it will also work with iPeng. Just check that Richer Sounds have some in stock. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
I did say earlier that I used to use this config with iPeng on my iPhone. What I use now is a Pi Zero Velcrod to a Powerbank with the Audioquest Dragonfly but controlled by Material on my iPhone. Why did I move away from iPeng on the iPhone? 1. Crossfade. IPeng doesnt support it. 2. iPeng/iOS is limited to 24/96. If I ever upgrade the Dragonfly to one of the colours that supports higher than 24/96 I would never see the benefit. 3. I was using iPeng solely as the player but using Material on the same iOS device to control it. 4. Interference (sounds) and phone calls interrupting my listening. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Jim, this is all intriguing stuff, and thanks so much for the advice. I have my thinking cap on nowit always takes me a while. But will report back. And yes, I'd much rather spend money with Richer than the dreaded Amazon. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
And a thought... I have an unused SB3, so maybe I could hang a DAC like the Dragonfly off that to drive the cans? Would that work? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
whitman wrote: > And a thought... I have an unused SB3, so maybe I could hang a DAC like > the Dragonfly off that to drive the cans? Would that work? No. SB3 has no USB out. Try iPeng with an Audioquest first. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Of course. I was excited there for a moment. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
So, can you use Material Skin as a player on the device it's running on? In the same way as you can use iPeng's Playback function? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
whitman wrote: > So, can you use Material Skin as a player on the device it's running on? No - Material skin does not include a player. It could be used to control a player on the same system (via LMS) ... just like it can control any other players. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Thanks, Paul. Does that mean iPeng's Playback feature is unique in its ability to turn an iPad etc into a player? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
As a native LMS player using SlimProto ... I think it is unique. However, you could use a different sort of player. For example - something that can play a SHOUTcast stream (an "internet radio" app that allows you to enter a stream URL of your own choice) could access the stream.mp3 stream from LMS. A UPnP Renderer could also access LMS via UPnP protocols (via LMS plugin). Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Paul Webster wrote: > As a native LMS player using SlimProto ... I think it is unique. > However, you could use a different sort of player. > For example - something that can play a SHOUTcast stream (an "internet > radio" app that allows you to enter a stream URL of your own choice) > could access the stream.mp3 stream from LMS. > A UPnP Renderer could also access LMS via UPnP protocols (via LMS > plugin). This is of course correct but the SQ is poor by the stream.mp3 route and UPnP is a dogs dinner (and not a very nice one at that). I used to use iPeng as the player on my iPhone but controlled it with Material on same iPhone. As far as native players on iOS go iPeng is the best option. There is nothing wrong with iPeng's control interface it was just that I use Material everywhere else. To the OP - stick with your iPeng plan - its only a few £ to activate player mode. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Thanks Paul and Jim for further advice. Still thinking my way through, as for me this counts as a potentially big investment, so I want to consider as many alternatives as poss. So, I do have an M! MacBook Air (2020). I imagine using that would eliminate the need for the camera adapter for the iPad. I have a spare USB3USB adaptor I could use on one of the laptop's Thunderbolt/USB4 jacks. Presumably a Dragonfly DAC would work connected to that? I do have iPeng working on the laptopit's an M1 version, and most iOS/iPadOS apps work on itso that side of it is covered. Mind you, despite all that, I wonder how good the laptop's internal DAC is, via the 3.5 headphone out? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
whitman wrote: > Thanks Paul and Jim for further advice. > > Still thinking my way through, as for me this counts as a potentially > big investment, so I want to consider as many alternatives as poss. > > So, I do have an M! MacBook Air (2020). I imagine using that would > eliminate the need for the camera adapter for the iPad. I have a spare > USB3USB adaptor I could use on one of the laptop's Thunderbolt/USB4 > jacks. Presumably a Dragonfly DAC would work connected to that? > > I do have iPeng working on the laptopit's an M1 version, and most > iOS/iPadOS apps work on itso that side of it is covered. > > Mind you, despite all that, I wonder how good the laptop's internal DAC > is, via the 3.5 headphone out? I would imagine that the internal DAC in an M1 Macbook is OK but I would also imagine that you will see (hear) an improvement with a decent USB DAC such as the Dragonfly. It should work with a Macbook with a suitable adaptor but again I'd say take the Macbook, adaptor and headphones to Richer Sounds to make sure. There are cheaper USB DACs available but the Dragonfly is very highly rated in Audiophile circles. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Paul Webster wrote: > As a native LMS player using SlimProto ... I think iPeng is unique. > However, you could use a different sort of player. > For example - something that can play a SHOUTcast stream (an "internet > radio" app that allows you to enter a stream URL of your own choice) > could access the stream.mp3 stream from LMS. > A UPnP Renderer could also access LMS via UPnP protocols (via LMS > plugin). I came across this thread... https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96328-ANNOUNCE-SqueezePlay-for-Mac-OSX ...but it looks rather techy to set up. Think I'll stick with iPeng's Playback. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
My response was for the iPad idea - iOS/iPadOS. There has been recent discussion about running Unix Squeezebox stuff on iOS via an emulation layer which might lead somewhere. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
My response was for the iPad idea - iOS/iPadOS. There has been recent discussion about running Unix stuff on iOS via an emulation layer which might lead somewhere. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Paul Webster wrote: > My response was for the iPad idea - iOS/iPadOS. > > There has been recent discussion about running Unix Squeezebox stuff on > iOS via an emulation layer which might lead somewhere. I was comparing Squeezeplay to iPeng because my M1 MacOS laptop will run iOS apps, for example iPeng. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Hi, I use exactly this setup daily (IPeng + dongle dac). It's very good and you should try this. Few additional comments: - IPeng playback doesn't recompress anything (it's more of less bitperfect up to 96khz) and the player is quite good compared to other "audiophile" iOS music app - I found old iOS devices (my old iPhone 7) to struggle a bit with battery consumption. No problem on more recent devices (iPhone 12 and iPad) - IPeng EQ is very good if you're into that (Let's say you found a dedicated EQ calibrated for the specific headphone you're targeting) - If you have good internet and a VPN connection between your phone and your server (like WireGuard) it works quite well to stream your music on the go. I do this almost every day. - There's literally tons of "dongle dac" nowadays, some cheaper and some more expensive than Dragonfly. Some require specific USB camera adapter, some don't. If you're not sure yet and your headphone is easy enough to drive you should start without this. The headphone itself will define 90% of the sounds, a dac will later help you to reach the last 10% remaining. Grebg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=72604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
Grebg, thanks for this, very good to hear of your experience. Have you ever tried iPeng on MacOS? M1 Macs will run some iOS apps, and my laptop will run iPeng, though it seems to crash with some streams (but not others). Anyway, my iPhone SE (2016) seems OK on battery usage with iPeng, as does my iPad mini 4. I can't see an obvious way to tell what actual quality (96/24 or whatever) iPeng is shoving out the headphone jack at any point. Good advice on trying the cans without a DAC for now, thanks, and I like your suggestion of the 90 vs 10 balance. My new Grado SR80X arrived yesterday, so I've been digging in. Much fun! What DACs have you tried and liked? The miser in me would be interested in less expensive ones! whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng Playback + iPad + headphones
whitman wrote: > Grebg, thanks for this, very good to hear of your experience. > > Have you ever tried iPeng on MacOS? M1 Macs will run some iOS apps, and > my laptop will run iPeng, though it seems to crash with some streams > (but not others). > > Anyway, my iPhone SE (2016) seems OK on battery usage with iPeng, as > does my iPad mini 4. > > I can't see an obvious way to tell what actual quality (96/24 or > whatever) iPeng is shoving out the headphone jack at any point. > > Good advice on trying the cans without a DAC for now, thanks, and I like > your suggestion of the 90 vs 10 balance. My new Grado SR80X arrived > yesterday, so I've been digging in. Much fun! > > What DACs have you tried and liked? The miser in me would be interested > in less expensive ones! Chiming in again. iPeng with a dongle DAC will go to 24/96 but Im not sure whether the onboard DAC goes beyond 24/48. The Dragonfly has an LED that changes colour based on the stream bit depth. If I listen via it - it will mostly be green (16/44.1 local FLAC) but will change to purple (24/96 Qobuz FLAC). I also have experience of some other dongle DACs eg HiFiMe DIY Sabre which are much cheaper. These dont have as much volume which is an issue with an iOS device but they can be boosted when used with a Pi using Alsamixer. No LED though. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115978 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
