Re: ROIR (was Television)
Jeff Weiss wrote: Yep, they are still very much around. isn't it a bit net-centric to assume if you can't find them on the web, they don't exist? Net-centric, perhaps, but as easy as it is to post a website these days, there's no excuse for a label to not be up and running on the web. I mean, Jeff Wall has a website, ferchrissakes Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: ROIR (was Television)
At 09:21 AM 4/8/99 -0400, you wrote: Jeff Weiss wrote: Yep, they are still very much around. isn't it a bit net-centric to assume if you can't find them on the web, they don't exist? Net-centric, perhaps, but as easy as it is to post a website these days, there's no excuse for a label to not be up and running on the web. I mean, Jeff Wall has a website, ferchrissakes Point well taken, especially while he's out to sea. Jeff
RE: Television Live (and twangless)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 1:54 PM To: passenger side Subject: Re: Television Live (and twangless) Richard Lloyd is now and forever on my guitar god list no matter who he plays with. Amen. The single most under-rated guitar player going. Perhaps it's because he used to play with one of the most over-rated. Nicholas
Re: Television
In a message dated 99-04-06 17:15:54 EDT, you write: I never saw 'em, but "See No Evil" and "Marquee Moon" are two of the best rock songs ever made. They should be playing in the lobby at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. ...and "In The Arms Of Venus De Milo" Elena Skye
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
In a message dated 99-04-06 17:19:33 EDT, you write: Richard Lloyd is now and forever on my guitar god list no matter who he plays with. Deb he was teaching voice here in Hoboken at The Guitar Bar not long enough. If I had only had the bucks... Elena Skye
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
William F. Silvers writes: Review/commentary on the re-release of Television's live BLOW-UP record. I don't get it. This has been on CD as a French import for, what, six years or so? I've had it that long, anyway. To be honest, it's not their best work. It's interesting, but the sound quality ain't too hot. I never saw them back in the day and my sole live encounter with them was the '91 Paradise date, though I have no doubt that better live material exists. There was a great story about Mike Watt playing at the Middle East (I think) last year while Verlaine was doing a date next door at TT the Bear's. I might have the clubs reversed, but it doesn't really matter. Anyway, Watt is almost as big a Television fan as he is a B.O.C. fan and closed his set with a Television cover, hoping that Verlaine would hear it; "Little Johnny Jewel," I think. Speaking of New York punk bands from the '70s, the Dictators are at the Middle East on May 7th. Woo hoo! Rock 'n' roll made a man out of me... Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
ROIR (was Television)
Steve Gardner wrote: I hear this new old live record is really really great. A friend of mine has it from its original release on a ROIR cassette. ROIR isn't still around, is it? I looked for it on the net the other day and came up empty. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Nah, Amy, I don't hate 'em or anything. I've just never quite been on the wavelength. I enjoyed those shows way back when and I even see the sense in which their were certain innovations there (like the phrasing thing Barry mentioned). They just never rang my own little bell, etc I did that the live recording, however, when it came out on ROIR some time back and thought at the time that it was the best recording of them I'd ever heard. And that Patti Smith quote was hilarious, thanks for that one! g. So maybe Verlaine needs to do a tour with the Ex-Husbands now... --junior
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
I'm probably jumping into this late (sue me, I've been in bed with a fever of 103 the past three days) but Richard Lloyd is indeed a guitar god. The closest I ever got to seeing his fingers fly was a tour that the Heath Happiness Show did with Butch Hancock in 1995. Lloyd was playing with HH, who opened the show then backed Butch during his set. Talk about your mingling of influences and scenes. Great night of music and Butch sure seemed to enjoy the hell out of it. Jim, smilin' and coughin'
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Junior says: And that Patti Smith quote was hilarious, thanks for that one! g. It's even better if you imagine it being said in Patti's weird South Jersey hippie accent. So maybe Verlaine needs to do a tour with the Ex-Husbands now... Shudder
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Television isn't quite as twangless as you'd think, in my opinion. They are played a
different sort of twang than most of us are used to hearing. In my opinion, they
could have been one of the great bands of the 70s, had they not been sidetracked by
drug abuse. Tom Verlaine's vocals were an acquired taste, but one I certainly
acquired.
I'm sure I wasn't the only person who spent time trying to align a cassette recording
of both sides of the "Little Johnny Jewel" 45 so they played in sync. I later bought
the big EP version (which I still have somewhere).
More TV facts: Richard Lloyd also played with John Doe, on his CD "Meet John Doe".
And Billy Ficca was the drummer for the Waitresses ("I Know What Boys Like").
np in my head: "Prove It"
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Former and future Amy Haugesag wrote: Bill writes: I'm with you, which is why I baited the hook that way. (Though "Prove It" does end up as a song I get stuck in my head from time to time) Wondered if any NYC types who maybe saw them back in the day had different ideas. the twin guitars of Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine were revelatory. Patti Smith once said of Tom Verlaine, "He plays guitar like a thousand bluebirds screaming," and as pretentious and silly as that sounds, it's oddly accurate in a way. Television were a band like no other, and the relative unevenness of Verlaine's solo output and the reunion record shouldn't distract or detract from that fact. Well, your using that quote and verifying it despite how it sounds is reminicent of what always bothered me about Television. I was a naive little midwestern high schooler when those Television/Talking Heads/Ramones shows were happening, and of course I never even saw Television live. The level of hyperbole always seemed to me disproportionate to the way the records struck me- unique and unquestionably talented, but relatively sterile and uncompelling. The level (and the *tone*- like "bluebirds screaming"g) of critical praise given the band was a lot higher than my esteem for them- I liked MARQUEE MOON, played the heck out of it, but never fell in love despite trying to. ADVENTURE was even less interesting to me. Now Talking Heads, well, who'd guess that I liked them sorta OK? But David Byrne's "Sessions at West 54th" interviews...yow. Makes you long for a competent interviewer like Charlie Rose or Craig Kilborn...g b.s. n.p. XTC APPLE VENUS VOLUME 1
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
In a message dated 4/7/99, 9:42:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but Richard Lloyd is indeed a guitar god He was great playing on the "Meet John Doe" tour as well. I had a space by the stage right by him and though I find John Doe pretty darn easy on the eyes -- I still couldn't take my eyes off Richard's fingers. Deb
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 7-Apr-99 Re: Television Live
(and tw.. by Brad Bechtel@macromedia.
More TV facts: Richard Lloyd also played with John Doe, on his CD
"Meet John Do
e". And Billy Ficca was the drummer for the Waitresses ("I Know What
Boys Like"
).
And the original bassist co-leader was Richard Hell, to my ears a
better writer than Verlaine (though not a better singer or player).
Has Richard lloyd put out any solo work this decade? His record on
Celluloid about a dozen years ago was excellent.
Carl Z.
television / roir
Dave wrote: I hear this new old live record is really really great. A friend of mine has it from its original release on a ROIR cassette. ROIR isn't still around, is it? I looked for it on the net the other day and came up empty. I think they are. I read an interview in Billboard about two months ago and the head guy said that he was now releasing CDs (ooh!). So, I assume they are still around. -- == Steve Gardner * Sugar Hill Records Radio Promotion [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.sugarhillrecords.com WXDU "Topsoil" * A Century of Country Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.topsoil.net ==
Re: television / roir
I too think Roir is still in business. In fact I seem to see more of their CDs today than ever. Their MC5 compilation, for ex., is terrific and highly recommended --junior
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Carl Abraham Zimring writes: Has Richard lloyd put out any solo work this decade? His record on Celluloid about a dozen years ago was excellent. I have an import LP that he did at some point on a Swedish label with - I believe - a Swedish backing band. I think it was done earlier in the decadebut can't remember any details. It's been a while since I pulled it out to listen to it. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
Re: ROIR (was Television)
At 09:06 AM 4/7/99 -0400, you wrote: Steve Gardner wrote: I hear this new old live record is really really great. A friend of mine has it from its original release on a ROIR cassette. ROIR isn't still around, is it? I looked for it on the net the other day and came up empty. Yep, they are still very much around. isn't it a bit net-centric to assume if you can't find them on the web, they don't exist? Jeff Miles of Music mail order http://www.milesofmusic.com FREE printed Catalog: (818) 883-9975 fax: (818) 992-8302, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.
Re: Television (Richard Lloyd)
All this fun talk about Television and Richard Lloyd made me notice that there's a new record by someone named Bibi Farber which features Richard lloyd on guitar. I know nothing about this record - just a description I saw at www.notlame.com... anyone know about it? -ldk
Television Live (and twangless)
Review/commentary on the re-release of Television's live BLOW-UP record. Seminal and magical or pretty much overrated, you decide. http://www.salonmagazine.com/ent/music/review/1999/04/06/verlaine/index.html b.s.
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Bill ponders the mysteries of Televison and that epochal artiste, Tom Verlaine... Seminal and magical or pretty much overrated, you decide. Ah well, these are taste matters I know. I tend toward the latter however I'd give their entire recorded output for a single track by the Ramones. --junior
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Reply to: Re: Television Live (and twangless) Everyone's entitled to their own opinion blah blah blah, but I have to interject an objection here. I remember the first weekend I went to CBGB's, back in 75 or 76. First night it was Mink Deville and Ramones, next night was Talking Heads opening for Television. As great as Ramones were, Television blew em away. I've never been a big fan of guitar solos, but Verlaine and Lloyd always managed to surprise me. And "Marquee Moon" still holds up. Additional twang: Richard Lloyd backed up Butch Hancock at the Mercury Lounge a couple of years ago, and I still consider it one of the best shows I've ever seen. lloyd's solo on "Bluebird" brought tears to my eyes. BARNARD wrote: Bill ponders the mysteries of Televison and that epochal artiste, Tom Verlaine... Seminal and magical or pretty much overrated, you decide. Ah well, these are taste matters I know. I tend toward the latter however I'd give their entire recorded output for a single track by the Ramones. --junior
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Bill Silvers wrote: Seminal and magical or pretty much overrated, you decide. I'm with you, which is why I baited the hook that way. Lord, lord no. As Robin wrote, Marquee Moon stands up well over time. Yeah, he's done some goofy stuff, but even the reunion Televsion record was pretty strong. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion blah blah blah, but I have to interject an objection here. I remember the first weekend I went to CBGB's, back in 75 or 76. First night it was Mink Deville and Ramones, next night was Talking Heads opening for Television. As great as Ramones were, Television blew em away. I've never been a big fan of guitar solos, but Verlaine and Lloyd always managed to surprise me. And "Marquee Moon" still holds up. FWIW, anyone a fan of Television who hasn't tapped into Sleater-Kinney might want to check 'em out. They're two-guitar interplay is really something special. As is their two vocal interplay. Just two of several things that make them maybe the most vital rock band around at the moment. Cheerleadingly, Neal Weiss
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Actually, I saw 'em in 76 at CBGB's too old old old!!! and several other times, but they didn't do any more for me then than they do now, in retrospect. Ah well, --junior
Re: Television Live (and Butch Hancock)
Additional twang: Richard Lloyd backed up Butch Hancock at the Mercury Lounge a couple of years ago, and I still consider it one of the best shows I've ever seen. lloyd's solo on "Bluebird" brought tears to my eyes. I saw Butch Hancock when The Health and Happiness Show served as his backup band (of which Richard Lloyd was the lead guitarist at the time) and it gave a chance to hear Butch rock. On the rafting trip I took with Butch as guide - he mentioned how much fun that was - he loves to rock with a band like that I think, but it takes some effort (and money) to make that happen. But that show did rock - Lloyd's good on his own, but he's great backing up good songwriters. keep dancing, -ldk
Television
I never saw 'em, but "See No Evil" and "Marquee Moon" are two of the best rock songs ever made. They should be playing in the lobby at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I hear this new old live record is really really great. A friend of mine has it from its original release on a ROIR cassette. -- == Steve Gardner * Sugar Hill Records Radio Promotion [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.sugarhillrecords.com WXDU "Topsoil" * A Century of Country Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.topsoil.net ==
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Richard Lloyd is now and forever on my guitar god list no matter who he plays with. Deb
Re: Television Live (and twangless)
Bill writes: I'm with you, which is why I baited the hook that way. (Though "Prove It" does end up as a song I get stuck in my head from time to time) Wondered if any NYC types who maybe saw them back in the day had different ideas. Yep. And evidently Robin Hall did too (in fact, we were probably at the same show(s); my very first CB's show was Television with Talking Heads opening, back in fall 1975). And I'm certain that Barry Mazor saw them a few dozen times back in the day. Evidently Junior and I just can't agree on anything lately--the Ex-Husbands, Television...The Ramones (my fourth or fifth CB's show) were wonderful, and more seminal than they're given credit for, but the twin guitars of Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine were revelatory. Patti Smith once said of Tom Verlaine, "He plays guitar like a thousand bluebirds screaming," and as pretentious and silly as that sounds, it's oddly accurate in a way. Television were a band like no other, and the relative unevenness of Verlaine's solo output and the reunion record shouldn't distract or detract from that fact. --Amy, who is bound to get back to talking about twangier stuff any minute now
Clip: Gospel Music Television...I Want My GMT
Howdy, Of particular interest to the gospel and bluegrass fans out there (and also of interest to Alex Millar-- note the barbershop quartet reference. g) From the Wednesday, January 13 edition of the Knoxville News-Sentinel. Some local content with national implications. Now, I've gotta get cable installed at my apartment... Gospel channel on cable Terry Morrow, News-Sentinel entertainment writer Gospel Music Television's prayers are being answered. Comcast cable is running a sneak peek of the 24-hour Southern gospel music channel through Friday for subscribers in Knox and Campbell counties. The peek, which can be seen on Channel 72, is reaching 110,000 homes in the area, says Jeff Moser, affiliate marketing director for Gospel Music Television. Although GMT is based in Pigeon Forge, the channel can only be viewed usually through satellite subscription services. Moser says GMT has about 10.5 million viewers nationwide and Canada. "We are coming from right here at home and if there is any place in the country where we should be been, it should be here in East Tennessee," he says. "The network has been up and running for two years. We have been incubating and forming and gelling, and now we are busting out of our shell. We are getting aggressive about marketing ourselves to cable companies. "Our whole goal is to become a cable network." The Comcast preview could provide that chance. Moser said GMT is already negotiating with Comcast to be added permanently, but viewers can express their opinions of what they think by calling Comcast. GMT shows performance videos and some original programming. Among the shows it produces: coverage of the Southern gospel music festival held each August at the Grand Hotel in Pigeon Forge and the National Quartet Convention in Louisville, Ky. If GMT is added permanently to Comcast, the network would also expand its variety of gospel music sounds to include more country and bluegrass, Moser says. "The results of this Comcast peek is very big for us," Moser says. "It shows to other cable operators what kind of a demand and response we have right here. This is a big opportunity for us." Unlike many other religion-related TV channels, GMT does not solicit donations from viewers and is not affiliated with a denomination, Moser says. For more information about GMT, call (423) 453-4683. # # # Take care, Shane Rhyne Knoxville, TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NP: Mary Cutrufello, "Candy in the Window"
