Re: Best OS for a 5300cs
on 1/18/03 3:10 PM, Andrew Kershaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run 8.6 on a 5300cs and a 5300ce, mostly because I can. OS 9 was just too much of a pooch for my tastes. Drew -- how much RAM do you have on these 5300s? I've only got 32MB on mine (two attempts to max it out have ended in complete failure, though by some miracle without costing any money), and have heard that 8.6 requires 48 minimum. It's got 8.5 on there now, but the idea of upgrading has some appeal, primarily because 8.6 runs my rock stable 7600, and its predictable (not to say phlegmatic) habits are in marked contrast to those of the 5300, which keeps dreaming up new flakinesses to entertain me with. This is even after (especially after) a recent clean system reinstall. Is there a reasonable chance that 8.6 would help it settle down, and if so could it get by with so little memory? Best, Victoria -- As war and government prove, insanity is the most contagious of diseases. Edward Abbey -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Flash Memory
on 1/18/03 3:21 PM, John Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this list, so my apologies if this topic has been talked into the ground before, but I have read in various places on the web that it is possible to add a Flash Memory card to the PCMCIA slot of a Powerbook Hi John -- there was a lengthy and fascinating thread on this subject about two (?) months ago. You can search the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Furthermore IIRC Dan Knight wrote a piece for LEM itself on the subject, which can be found on the Website archives and would probably be the best place to look first. BTW, the answer is *yes*. Best, Victoria -- As war and government prove, insanity is the most contagious of diseases. Edward Abbey -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Best place to shop for software?
I just got my 3400c from an auction. It is a 180/32mb..I am going to upgrade the memory to the max (144mb right?) and I want to upgrade my hard drive, but I have no system disk... Its running 8.6 now, so thats what I was looking for. Any opinions on the best place to find it? I guess I need the bootable install disk, I am new to Macs, so sorry if I am being clueless.. I am going to try to get at least a 20gb drive so that I can have both OS 8.6 and Linux... any pointers will be welcomed.. Thanks, Dave -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
change 3400 hard drive?
I was thinking of putting a left over hard drive from a Lombard in my old 3400c. Is there any reason why this would not work? Also, I seem to remember reading that it is tricky to change hard drives in a 3400. I have changed drives in my Lombard and Wallstreet and in my old Powerbook 100, but I don't even have the manual for the 3400 anymore. I thought the old manuals were archived at Apple, but I couldn't find it there - just the 'Read Me' file. I also looked around for archived info about changing drives, but couldn't find that either - just one article on upgrades that said not to try changing drives yourself unless you knew what you were doing. Sorry to be asking questions I know have been answered already, but I would appreciate it if perhaps someone could point me in the right direction to get this information. Charles Siegel -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: change 3400 hard drive?
I wouldn't say it's tricky--it's slightly difficult--and that's only in popping the plastics. You might check out this site--it's what I went by when I installed mine: http://home.earthlink.net/~richardinsd/Supersizeyour3400.html Charles Siegel wrote: I was thinking of putting a left over hard drive from a Lombard in my old 3400c. Is there any reason why this would not work? Also, I seem to remember reading that it is tricky to change hard drives in a 3400. Charles Siegel -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: change 3400 hard drive?
The drive should work fine, although, I would recommend reinitializing it and reinstalling a fresh copy of the OS after the switch. There are things specific to the other Powerbook that your 3400 won't have/need and there are things your 3400 will need that the old drive won't have. (Onr thing that comes to mind is the Modem/Ethernet Extension for the 3400). The drive swap isn't tricky. I'f you've changed drives before, you won't have any trouble. It's under the palm rest on the left side. Remove the keyboard, pop out any added RAM for freedom of movement, and , the trickiest part, release the clips retaining the palm wrest without breaking any... From that point, it's straightforward, removing screws, unplugging cables... It's obvious. Don't sweat it... dive right in. Cheers, Sionnach __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best place to shop for software?
You'll probably get your best deal from someplace like ebay on an OS cd... 8.6 is a good choice. If your going to max out the RAM and you have need of features of OS 9, thats an option too. You can pick up an OS CD from somebody like Powerbook Guy or someplace like that if you don't want to fool with the auctions, but you'll end up paying a little more. The CD's are bootable and will have the disk utilities you need. One thing to keep in mind is the difference between getting another Powerbooks restore CD -say an 8.6 CD from a Wallstreet- vs a Full Install CD. I started out with my 3400 installing from a Wallstreet restore CD. 8.6 laid down clean, but I did have to go find the 3400 Modem/Ethernet Extension off Apples website, download it and install it, as that is machine specific and won't install from a restoer CD. If you install from a full CD, you'll be fine and not need to do anything else. Cheers, Sionnach __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best place to shop for software?
on 1/19/03 11:30 AM, David Marshall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got my 3400c from an auction. It is a 180/32mb..I am going to upgrade the memory to the max (144mb right?) and I want to upgrade my hard drive, but I have no system disk... Its running 8.6 now, so thats what I was looking for. Any opinions on the best place to find it? I guess I need the bootable install disk, I am new to Macs, so sorry if I am being clueless.. Hi Dave, Try the LEM Swap List, which is likely to beat eBay's prices by quite a bit. You can buy either 8.6 or 8.5 (and yes, be sure to get the full install version), since an upgrade from 8.5 to 8.6 is available as a free (albeit lengthy) download from Apple. HTH, Victoria -- As war and government prove, insanity is the most contagious of diseases. Edward Abbey -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
USB 2? FireWire!
Gerald said: in my searching I've come to the conclusion that you have to use OS X to support and use 2.1 otherwise it runs at 1.1 speed. Yep, which means it's also 1.1 on your 8500 unless you've hacked X on there. Even then ... Would appreciate your knowledge and suggestions for a solution. Others will have already shown that some CardBus cards either only fit on some 3400's or they don't. The cage really should be modified by MCE to reliably work. If it was my money I'd ditch any USB 2 ideas. As mentioned it's limited to X anyway. For fast relief invest in FireWire; it should work with both the 3400 and 8500 without too much effort (again, the CardBus issue...). -David -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Interested in a 5300cs?
I just acquired a 5300cs. Posting here prior to Swap-List to gauge interest. How much do I want for it? Don't know. You tell me. I know they aren't worth much. Particulars: PRAM is dead. NiMH also appears dead. Power adapter is ... not dead, and included Screen looks good. Entire case looks good (no rear door). No wear on the trackpad. Screen clutches feel awesome. First PowerBook I've used where the lid doesn't feel like molasses when opening/closing. 8MB RAM, 750MB HD Recent 7.6.1 install. Although I know nothing of it's history, this unit appears to have been through the REA program (first phase) because the serial # ends in AA. -David -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300cs
On 1/19/03 Victoria wrote: on 1/18/03 3:10 PM, Andrew Kershaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run 8.6 on a 5300cs and a 5300ce, mostly because I can. OS 9 was just too much of a pooch for my tastes. Drew -- how much RAM do you have on these 5300s? I've only got 32MB on mine (two attempts to max it out have ended in complete failure, though by some miracle without costing any money), and have heard that 8.6 requires 48 minimum. It's got 8.5 on there now, but the idea of upgrading has some appeal, primarily because 8.6 runs my rock stable 7600, and its predictable (not to say phlegmatic) habits are in marked contrast to those of the 5300, which keeps dreaming up new flakinesses to entertain me with. This is even after (especially after) a recent clean system reinstall. Is there a reasonable chance that 8.6 would help it settle down, and if so could it get by with so little memory? If you have OS 9.1 available, why not try that? Just today I was testing a 3400 with only the 16MBs onboard and 9.1 booted and ran fine with a full extension set, but a fast HD does help keep the VM from bogging down the PB. I'm running 9.1 on my PPC 540Cs (pretty much the same as a 5300) with 40MBs ram and it runs fast and stable. I've got VM set to around 64MBs and 9.1 uses about 15MBs or so. The 30GB HDs (converted ATA-to-scsi) aren't all that fast on the scsi bus, so that much VM is _not_ slowing down the PBs enough to make them unusable. I'm very pleased with 9.1, as I've mentioned here previously, the much improved PPC codebase feels faster to me than any version of OS 8. Yes, booting takes longer but since PBs are normally slept rather than shut down and restarted I don't feel that's a drawback. Hey, here's a followup question, anyone get 9.2.x running on their 3400? I'd sure like to know the trick, as major improvements were added to the OS with that release. I've used the tools from OS9forever and they didn't work for me . . . Dan K -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300cs
I run 9.1 on my 1400/166 64M ram, and it is seriously slow. Like OS 8.1 on an LC475 slow. I appreciate the features though so I keep it as the OS on this machine. I have tried 7.53 and 8.1 as well and the best compromise between performance and stability seemed to be OS 8.1. Don't have a copy of 8.5/8.6 to test, but it would be interesting to do so. One of these days I will run across a deal on a Sonnet 466 and then all will be right with the world. On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Dan K wrote: On 1/19/03 Victoria wrote: on 1/18/03 3:10 PM, Andrew Kershaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run 8.6 on a 5300cs and a 5300ce, mostly because I can. OS 9 was just too much of a pooch for my tastes. Drew -- how much RAM do you have on these 5300s? I've only got 32MB on mine (two attempts to max it out have ended in complete failure, though by some miracle without costing any money), and have heard that 8.6 requires 48 minimum. It's got 8.5 on there now, but the idea of upgrading has some appeal, primarily because 8.6 runs my rock stable 7600, and its predictable (not to say phlegmatic) habits are in marked contrast to those of the 5300, which keeps dreaming up new flakinesses to entertain me with. This is even after (especially after) a recent clean system reinstall. Is there a reasonable chance that 8.6 would help it settle down, and if so could it get by with so little memory? If you have OS 9.1 available, why not try that? Just today I was testing a 3400 with only the 16MBs onboard and 9.1 booted and ran fine with a full extension set, but a fast HD does help keep the VM from bogging down the PB. Garry Hamblin Saskatoon, SK iMac Indigo 500 on OS Xyeah baby! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: change 3400 hard drive?
I was thinking of putting a left over hard drive from a Lombard in my old 3400c. Is there any reason why this would not work? Also, I seem to remember reading that it is tricky to change hard drives in a 3400. I have changed drives in my Lombard and Wallstreet and in my old Powerbook 100, but I don't even have the manual for the 3400 anymore. I thought the old manuals were archived at Apple, but I couldn't find it there - just the 'Read Me' file. I also looked around for archived info about changing drives, but couldn't find that either - just one article on upgrades that said not to try changing drives yourself unless you knew what you were doing. Sorry to be asking questions I know have been answered already, but I would appreciate it if perhaps someone could point me in the right direction to get this information. Charles Siegel -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com You can still find the manuals for the 3400 etc on Apples web page. Go to apple.com and look for a link to the older macs and you'll find a link to the manuals download. They are in PDF forman. I just downloaded the user's and tech manual for my recently acquired 3400c. If you can't find it email me and I'll send you the exact URL. Can't get to it just now. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Interested in a 5300cs?
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:36 PM, David Deckert wrote: Although I know nothing of it's history, this unit appears to have been through the REA program (first phase) because the serial # ends in AA. Look inside the battery bay (usually upside down) and see if there's a date stamped inside- that means it's been through phase 2 and when. Cathy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300cs
I run 8.6 on a 1400/133, it is a snappy little system, although I would prefer it use a little less memory for the system, it is up to about 20 MB. I agree, a G3 would be great, but that would mean paying more for an upgrade card than I did for the whole machine, which is a little overboard, considering it runs what it needs to (Office 98) well. :-) I think the choice of operating system will change from person to person. If you want features over speed go for 9.x if you want speed over features go for 6.0.8 (just kidding :-)). In general, the older the OS, the faster. A good compromise for me is 8.6, but then again, I have a jaguar machine I use as a desktop, so I don't need the features 9 might offer. 8.6 has everything I'd want, like command-tab application switching, contextual menus, HFS+ support, and most 3rd party peripherals seem to want 8.6 as a minimum os. On 20/1/03 12:19 PM, Garry Hamblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run 9.1 on my 1400/166 64M ram, and it is seriously slow. Like OS 8.1 on an LC475 slow. I appreciate the features though so I keep it as the OS on this machine. I have tried 7.53 and 8.1 as well and the best compromise between performance and stability seemed to be OS 8.1. Don't have a copy of 8.5/8.6 to test, but it would be interesting to do so. One of these days I will run across a deal on a Sonnet 466 and then all will be right with the world. On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Dan K wrote: On 1/19/03 Victoria wrote: on 1/18/03 3:10 PM, Andrew Kershaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run 8.6 on a 5300cs and a 5300ce, mostly because I can. OS 9 was just too much of a pooch for my tastes. Drew -- how much RAM do you have on these 5300s? I've only got 32MB on mine (two attempts to max it out have ended in complete failure, though by some miracle without costing any money), and have heard that 8.6 requires 48 minimum. It's got 8.5 on there now, but the idea of upgrading has some appeal, primarily because 8.6 runs my rock stable 7600, and its predictable (not to say phlegmatic) habits are in marked contrast to those of the 5300, which keeps dreaming up new flakinesses to entertain me with. This is even after (especially after) a recent clean system reinstall. Is there a reasonable chance that 8.6 would help it settle down, and if so could it get by with so little memory? If you have OS 9.1 available, why not try that? Just today I was testing a 3400 with only the 16MBs onboard and 9.1 booted and ran fine with a full extension set, but a fast HD does help keep the VM from bogging down the PB. Garry Hamblin Saskatoon, SK iMac Indigo 500 on OS Xyeah baby! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: USB 2? FireWire!
Gerald said: in my searching I've come to the conclusion that you have to use OS X to support and use 2.1 otherwise it runs at 1.1 speed. Yep, which means it's also 1.1 on your 8500 unless you've hacked X on there. Even then ... Would appreciate your knowledge and suggestions for a solution. Others will have already shown that some CardBus cards either only fit on some 3400's or they don't. The cage really should be modified by MCE to reliably work. If it was my money I'd ditch any USB 2 ideas. As mentioned it's limited to X anyway. For fast relief invest in FireWire; it should work with both the 3400 and 8500 without too much effort (again, the CardBus issue...). -David -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com Since discovering how slow USB 1.1 is I've decided to go firewire. Being a bit chicken, I'll probably go the MCE upgrade and use a Belkin dual firewire card on the 3400c and a PCI card on the 8500. Thanks to one and all for the prompt responses. Thanks. Gerald R.Homeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: change 3400 hard drive?
The drive swap isn't tricky. I'f you've changed drives before, you won't have any trouble. It's under the palm rest on the left side. Remove the keyboard, pop out any added RAM for freedom of movement, and , the trickiest part, release the clips retaining the palm wrest without breaking any... To remove the palmrest/trackpad without breaking anything, all you need do is remove the keyboard, take out the single screw that secures the speaker grill, lift it out of the way, then remove (pry up) the left and the right clutch covers (hinge covers). Now you can remove the palmrest with no danger of breaking any plastics. Nothing is tricky if the proper procedure is applied. Greg __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Different versions of OS 8.6
Does anyone know if the full install iMac OS 8.6 disc will install on my 3400c? I know the restore disc won't work.. but the full install? -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best place to shop for software?
You can probably find an OEM version of 8.6 at the LEM Swap list, through this same list group or on eBay. Don't get a model specific version (I.E. the version that shipped with an iBook or iMac, etc.) as they are designed to install on that specific model only. There are some hacks available that are supposed to allow their use, but I've never been able to make one work. The full install version is the best and will cost about the same as a model specific version most of the time. Max RAM is 144 Meg as you thought. The hard drive is an ATA (IDE) 2 1/2 wide and 12.5 mm thick or less. I like the thin ones, (9.5mm) better as they leave more space between the drive and keyboard for cooling. http://www.otherworldcomputing.com has some new 20 Gig drives for about $100, 30 Gig for about $120 and 40 Gig for about $140. When you put in the larger drive, you can partition it to allow separate partitions for each system and (if you plan on using it for internet access) I like to use a small separate partition for my internet connection apps. They fragment often and are much easier to keep in good shape if on their own partition. David Allen David Marshall wrote: I just got my 3400c from an auction. It is a 180/32mb..I am going to upgrade the memory to the max (144mb right?) and I want to upgrade my hard drive, but I have no system disk... Its running 8.6 now, so thats what I was looking for. Any opinions on the best place to find it? I guess I need the bootable install disk, I am new to Macs, so sorry if I am being clueless.. I am going to try to get at least a 20gb drive so that I can have both OS 8.6 and Linux... any pointers will be welcomed.. Thanks, Dave -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
OS 8.6 and 1400c
Hello, I've been looking at some older Macs with older operating systems, and these leaner meaner things seem to work much faster than OS 8.6 does on my stock 133mHz PB 1400c. I've always felt like its slow as molasses in January. It takes forever to load anything, and occasionally stalls completely for 20 seconds or so. When it's online, sometimes it goes way longer than that, making me think it's locked up (or almost ready to). All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. Sometimes even the delete key bogs down. I have shut off all the extensions I can live without. I use OS 8.6 because it's really the oldest OS that will still run most modern software, like Explorer 5.1, PhotoShop 6.0, etc. I'm wondering if I'm the only one with this problem. What say ye? TIA, Ken N. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
I'm running a PB1400c/133 with OS 8.6, and for me, it's quite zippy. I don't use Photoshop or anything like that, and I try to stick to the most ancient programs I can live with. Generally, I find that using programs made at about the same time as the computer (ie, 1997ish) will work best as far as speed is concerned. Internet is a little hard to use old software with, but perhaps try and source an older version of Photoshop? I used to use Photoshop 4.0 on a 7200/120, which, whilst not brilliantly fast, was acceptable. (of course, I don't do much with it, just a bit of playing. I have it, because it came with the scanner :-) I sometimes get the pause thing you described, not only with the Powerbook, but also on a 5500/225 running 8.6. As far as I can tell, it is doing something or other with the network connections. The solution that worked for me (on the powerbook) was to use location manager to disable TCP/IP and AppleTalk when I didn't need them. If it tries to connect, and there is nothing to connect to, it does that pause thing. (When I had it on the 5500 it was just because I borrowed the Ethernet cable for something.) Also, if you have any servers set to 'connect at start-up' the machine spends what seems like an eternity looking for them. Hope some of this helps :-) John. On 20/1/03 6:24 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been looking at some older Macs with older operating systems, and these leaner meaner things seem to work much faster than OS 8.6 does on my stock 133mHz PB 1400c. I've always felt like its slow as molasses in January. It takes forever to load anything, and occasionally stalls completely for 20 seconds or so. When it's online, sometimes it goes way longer than that, making me think it's locked up (or almost ready to). All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. Sometimes even the delete key bogs down. I have shut off all the extensions I can live without. I use OS 8.6 because it's really the oldest OS that will still run most modern software, like Explorer 5.1, PhotoShop 6.0, etc. I'm wondering if I'm the only one with this problem. What say ye? TIA, Ken N. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
