Re: 1400 capabilities

[Peter F Grenier]

On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:09 PM, KG wrote:
Dunno about that either, but not even an upgraded 1400 can use OSX,
just too much memory requirement. So you'd be limited to a older OS9
version of iTunes, at best.
A 1400 can't do OSX because it doesn't have a PCI bus, and a PCI bus is
crucial to getting OSX to install and run.
Not necessary...
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Re: 3400/198 = 3400/240?

[KG]

> Although the 3400 and 3500 are similar, you cant necessarily say its
> capable of 50 MHz bus speed.  The ICs on the motherboard may not be
> rated for that speed, and the RAM may have the same problem.  Getting
> the bus speed to 44 MHz doesnt surprise though.

I've heard of people getting the 180 MHz boards up to a 50 MHz bus for a
clockspeed of 225 MHz, but mine locked up at that speed when I tried it. I
had a 44, a 48 and a 50 MHz crystal, but the 48 and 50 both failed. I was
thinking it was either the onboard RAM or the cache holding me back. I
really didn't expect to make 225 anyway when I saw the CPU; it was an older
stepping on a larger process than my 240. I wish I'd had a 45 and a 46 to
try, but no such luck.

I think 44 works most of the time. I remember another listmember reaching
264/44 with a 240 MHz 3400 earlier this year.

> I have tried, and tried, and swapped many ICs and I have had no luck so
far.

Hmmm...it might work with the one on my new board, but I'm not going to
sacrifice it in order to find out. I'm pleasantly surprised with how it
performs at 198 MHz, plus I have the knowledge that it's a brand new board
with a new IC on it.

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Re: 3400/198 = 3400/240?

[Tom and Lisa P]

Which begs the question for me...Apple knew this board was capable of at
least 50 MHz bus speeds, since they did it on the Kanga. Why did they
cripple the 603 models with anemic bus speeds when a 10 percent increase can
offset a 20 percent difference in clockspeed?
Although the 3400 and 3500 are similar, you cant necessarily say its 
capable of 50 MHz bus speed.  The ICs on the motherboard may not be 
rated for that speed, and the RAM may have the same problem.  Getting 
the bus speed to 44 MHz doesnt surprise though.

Here's a screenshot of the comparsion if anyone's interested...
http://athalawulf.com/desktop198.jpg
As a side note, I know there was some discussion about possibly replacing
the failing IC's that cause 3400 sleeping sickness. Did anyone figure out a
way to do this, and if so, how? I wouldn't mind fixing my 240 MHz board if I
could.
I have tried, and tried, and swapped many ICs and I have had no luck so far.
Mad Dog
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3400/198 = 3400/240?

[KG]

While doing a repair/hack job on a 3400c/240 this weekend, I got yet another
reminder of just how bottlenecked older Macs were by their slow bus speeds.
I took a 3400/240 which was developing the sleeping sickness problem, and
managed to get my hands on a new Apple Service 3400/180 logic board off
eBay. Prior to doing the transplant, though, I removed the 40 MHz clock
crystal from the board and replaced it with a 44 MHz one, turning the board
into a 198 MHz one.

What happened when I rebooted was totally unexpected...even at 198 MHz, the
new board seemed as fast or sometimes even faster than the original 240 MHz
one did. I had a copy of Speedometer on the PowerBook with the 240 board's
benchmarks, and I ran it with the 198 board just to see what it would say.

The results were interesting, to say the least. The CPU and FPU benchmarks
were off by anywhere from 10 to 30 percent. But thanks to the faster bus
speed, the graphics and disk benches were higher, in spite of the slower
clock speed. The disk was more than 10 percent higher (4.69-4.17). The
overall performance rating was a dead heat (3.28 for the 240, 3.27 for the
198).

Which begs the question for me...Apple knew this board was capable of at
least 50 MHz bus speeds, since they did it on the Kanga. Why did they
cripple the 603 models with anemic bus speeds when a 10 percent increase can
offset a 20 percent difference in clockspeed?

Here's a screenshot of the comparsion if anyone's interested...
http://athalawulf.com/desktop198.jpg

As a side note, I know there was some discussion about possibly replacing
the failing IC's that cause 3400 sleeping sickness. Did anyone figure out a
way to do this, and if so, how? I wouldn't mind fixing my 240 MHz board if I
could.

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Re: 1400 capabilities

[KG]

> Dunno about that either, but not even an upgraded 1400 can use OSX,
> just too much memory requirement. So you'd be limited to a older OS9
> version of iTunes, at best.

A 1400 can't do OSX because it doesn't have a PCI bus, and a PCI bus is
crucial to getting OSX to install and run. This is why the "unsupported"
2400, 3400 and Kanga can be made to run X, but the 1400 and 5300 can't.
They're built on the same NuBus architecture as the x100 Power Macs.

iTunes 1 and 2 can be installed on a 1400, but they're so demanding on CPU
and RAM that it's unrealistic to use it on an unaccelerated 1400. You might
have some success with a 1400/166 with 64 megs of RAM.

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Re: 1400 capabilities

[bmcewen]

> Dunno about that either, but not even an upgraded 1400 can use OSX, 
> just too much memory requirement. So you'd be limited to a older OS9 
> version of iTunes, at best.

The 9.1 iTunes is on my 1400/G3 and working fine for playing internet radio.

I can see the unaccellereated 1400 now, sitting on my stereo cabinet, streaming radio 
to my stereo (I don't have the digital radio channel thing thru the cable company) so 
this would help out radio options a lot.

I'll post once I try it.

Brian


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Re: 1400 capabilities

[Ken Norris]

On Oct 26, 2004, at 4:33 AM, PowerBooks wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:43:48 -0400
Subject: 1400 capabilities
From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So, I take it no one with an un-accellerated 1400 has tried playing
mp3's or wireless?
My stock 1400c plays mp3's just fine. Haven't tried wireless, but I 
believe others have.

or combined the two with iTunes?
Dunno about that either, but not even an upgraded 1400 can use OSX, 
just too much memory requirement. So you'd be limited to a older OS9 
version of iTunes, at best.

My experience is that it will play MP3's and some MPEG movies, but not 
DVD;s, it will play most music and video which QT 4 will handle, but it 
will not load and use modern Adobe PDF and Java stuff. It will _never_ 
be able to use any USB nor Firewire products (it uses the old nuBus 
hardware architecture, which itself is not upgradable to cardbus 
architecture).

I tend to look at a 1400 and older PB's in terms of a few dedicated 
programs which it can do well. I like using mine with HyperCard stack 
projects I create, and others as well. With the right software it will 
work with network printers, and it's really quite a good email machine. 
Things like that.

HTH,
Ken N.
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Re: 5300CE ethernet

[Michael Druckenmiller Jr.]

> Go to ebay and look for the Global Village PowerPort cards.  The PowerPort
> Platinum goes fairly cheaply.


Thanks, Picked one up on Ebay this morning for $25. It the 56k modem and
Ethernet in one, it's got the mac cd and the 2 pc floppies with it, which
means I can use it in the PB and in My Compaq 'sario notebook as well.

I had a regular GV A956 56k modem but didn't have the cable the you plug the
phone line into. Also have a TrueMobile 1150, one day I'll have a wireless
router in the house, probably when I get my g4 Ibook.


Thanks again,
-Mike-



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Re: Lucent Silver to Gold

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

>>> Or, you can install the card in your Pismo's internal slot and
>>> upgrade to AP 2.0.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Wallstreet internal slot


Sorry I understood PC card slot. However now I am even more puzzled: how can
I get the Lucent Siver PC card fit into the Pizmo internal slot?

Ben




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Re: Lucent Silver to Gold

[Peter F Grenier]

On Oct 26, 2004, at 2:29 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:
I tried with the Wallstreet internal slot, I managed to install AP 
2.0.4, but still I cannot join a 128bit network...

Ben
Or, you can install the card in your Pismo's internal slot and 
upgrade to AP 2.0.

Wallstreet internal slot?
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Re: 5300CE ethernet

[Howard R. Katz]

Go to ebay and look for the Global Village PowerPort cards.  The PowerPort 
Platinum goes fairly cheaply.  It'll install in the PC card slot on the 
left of the machine.  Software's downloadable--I have it here if too, if 
your card doesn't come with the setup stuff.  I've been using a PowerPort 
with my 5300c for almost a year now and it works fine.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Michael Druckenmiller Jr. wrote:
I would like to be able to connect my pb5300 up to my home ethernet so I can
make use of my DSL line on it, as I have no other way to get software and
files over to it.
Does anyone know of any good 10/100 ethernet pccards that have mac drivers.
My two linksys cards are not mac compatible, so they don't help. Would the
PB be decent on the DSL line, it has to be faster than dialup, even on that
slow machine. If anyone has a eth. card they'd like to sell at a reasonable
price email me.

Later.Howard

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5300CE ethernet

[Michael Druckenmiller Jr.]

I would like to be able to connect my pb5300 up to my home ethernet so I can
make use of my DSL line on it, as I have no other way to get software and
files over to it.

Does anyone know of any good 10/100 ethernet pccards that have mac drivers.
My two linksys cards are not mac compatible, so they don't help. Would the
PB be decent on the DSL line, it has to be faster than dialup, even on that
slow machine. If anyone has a eth. card they'd like to sell at a reasonable
price email me.

Thanks
-Mike-



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Re: 1400 capabilities

[Brian]

On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
I run OS 8.6 on mine with a Dell TrueMobile 1150 wireless card and 
play mp3s using Cabrio.  Of course, my 1GB HD is rather limiting.


Thanks guys.  If I have time this weekend, I will have to assemble and 
test out a 1400 for "wireless internet radio" use.

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Re: PB 165C Disk Problem

[Christoph Pistor]

I have the same problem with my trusted old PB 180c . However, I was able to
see an external Zip drive sometimes. I think the PB's have an internal
termination transistor (MOSFET) and I think I can see it on the board. I
tried to find it on the internet, but without luck.
Please let me know if you find a cure.

Christoph

On 10/25/04 6:13 PM, "Gary Lyerla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A young daughter of a co-worker bought a PB 165C from a garage sale.  It
> will start from a floppy disk, but does not recognize either the internal
> hard drive or an external hard drive.  Before I tried the external drive, I
> assumed the internal drive was bad.  So, attached an external SCSI drive,
> and it was not recognized either.  [The external drive worked fine on
> another PB 165C.]  So, I am guessing that the SCSI is broken and a
> motherboard replacement is the only cure.  Does anyone have any other ideas
> before I give up?  Could it be a termination problem?  Is there an internal
> termination?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 


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