Re: Backing up
Mikke Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 stated: Those of you users that also have insights into the scriptability of PM, could possibly tell me this. Or if, there is such an existing script/product already that some of you use for backing up your mail. Am I really alone in needing incremental backups of email? I doubt you are alone. There is nothing in the AppleScript dictionary of PowerMail that would identify what is new there are of course ways around this. There is a tool (somebody chime in here) that is basically a FileMaker database that allows you to export/backup mail. I haven't used it so I can't say how good or bad it is. However, I do know there are some folks on this list that are using it, so it must work. Now, if somebody can jog my frazzled mind and tell us the name of this product, we'll be in great shape... Wayne -- Music is spiritual. The music business is not. - Van Morrison Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: Mike Peters In You I See The World : Edward Henry Street
Re: Backing up
Barbara Needham said like this: You can export the entire PM database, Or you can export folder by folder. Or you can export selected messages. It is under File:Database. You can export into PowerMail format. You can export into MS Entourage exported mailbox [never tried that]. You can export into Eudora format [tried that]. You can export into Eudora Japanese. You can export into Netscape Communicator. You can export into Unix Mailbox format. You can import to Mac OS X Mail format. You can export into Tabulated Text format. Thanks for your response Barbara, I guess what I really wanted to know is - and this should be valid for more PM users than me - whether it is a reasonable assumption that incremental backup can be achieved by regular scripted exports of new only messages, folder by folder or in some other fashion. I'm sorry that I was unclear on this. Those of you users that also have insights into the scriptability of PM, could possibly tell me this. Or if, there is such an existing script/product already that some of you use for backing up your mail. Am I really alone in needing incremental backups of email? I, myself, would keep the mail inside PM and only use backups for in case I get corruption or crashes.
Re: incremental backup options option for An.. ehm Mikke (was Re: An assorted pile of PM questions))
Andy Fragen said like: PM saves the message database in a single file. It would logically be very difficult for Tri-Backup or any backup solution to only backup the changes to the message database without backing up the whole message database. This is the problem with all email clients that store the messages in a single file database. I could be wrong but I think that is what is meant above by backing up the email incrementally. I couldn't have said it better myself. I want an incremental back up solution for Email. For this you need automated export and import routines or a scripting solution that can get data from a message and write it into a database app. EmA for Emailer and Outlook is such an app. I imaging a similar one for PM.
Re: ftp links in e-mail
Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 stated: You need More Internet which is a pref pane you can grab from version tracker or macupdate I probably need to read these messages closer... ;-) -- sans la Musique la Vie serait une Erreur Without music, life would be a serious mistake. - Frederich Nietzsche Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: Mike Peters It Happens : Trafficking
ftp links in e-mail
This probably isn't a PowerMail question, but when I get a message with an ftp link in it, and I click it, it opens Netscape rather than Safari. I couldn't find a preference in PM for this, and I couldn't find an Internet preference related to this either. Where is this set? TIA. Ron
Re(2): Can't view source/headers
Marvellous! :-) Thanks! /Max G At 11 mars 2003, 10.31 CET, Karel Gillissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I get som html spam mails I the Show Simple/Full Header commands are greyed out, and I can't see were the mail comes from. In Entourage (and most other emailers, I believe) the is a View Source command, but I can't find it in PowerMail. What to do? See the little globe at the bottom of the message-window? Click and select 'Show plain text with header' And then you can use the Show full header command. Karel
Re: Backing up
On 10/3/03 Barbara Needham wrote: I do find it works better folder by folder than doing the whole thing at once, but I do that sometimes also. Doing it folder by folder (at least for me with OS9) means the 'linkage' for some of the contextual menu items is lost. EG ctrl-click on msg and 'find reply' doesn't work after re-importing the folders. I got caught by that after I had a problem with the mail database and exported all the mails folder by folder and re-imported them into a clean database. Totally forgot you could export the whole thing. By the time I realised what had happened the original (problematic) database had gone to the trash can. cheers, Chris
Re(2): Backing up
Received from: Max Gossell At: 7:33 am (GMT) on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 Yes, so I've understood. But you're a bit more scrupulous than me, and you seem to know far more about tech stuff. I just wanted a confirmation that's the folder to backup. When talking about a file that is some 30 times smaller than my Entourage database was, I'm quite happy for now to backup the whole thing... :-) Max; yes, the 'Powermail files' folder is the one to back up. The reason that your PM database is so much smaller than the entourage one is that Entourage (AFAIK) actually embeds any attachments into the message database itself; PM does not, it just provides an alias-like link to the attachment file itself -- which resides in either the Attachments folder (by default) or whatever folder you have specified for attachments in the preferences. in any case the data of the attachment is not integrated into the mail database. PM's database exists as a single file, and so I guess that incremental backup is not possible unless you go through the export process. Personally I just backup the whole Powermail Files folder anew each time, and to hell with incrementals. Hope this helps; Rick --- G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS 10.2.4 :: PM 4.1.2 :: 3 pane mode :: 768 MB RAM www.sharkattack.co.uk
Re(2): Multilingual Dictionary (Was: Driven Mad by Keyboard shortcut)
At 10 mars 2003, 19.59 CET, PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I messed something up when I directed PowerMail to Spell Catcher in Preferences? What should the default look like? It works for me for english and french. It has nothing to with with the external spell checker defined in the prefs, which is used only with the check via external application menu. Well, Spell Checker did have something to do with it -- it's Universal commands made PowerMail a bit schizophrenic. When I made a special configuration in Spell Checker for PowerMail, turning about everything off, the multilingual dictionary started to work over here as well. I use it writing in English and Swedish, and although the Swedish dictionary isn't that good this is by far the best solution! Now I can even use both languages in the same message. :-) Jättebra med en flerspråkig ordlista! See? ;-) /Max G.
Re(4): Deleting messages attachments
At 10 mars 2003, 20.46 CET, Marlyse Comte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: next to be a desktop clogger, I am an utility hoger wow, even rimes ;-) This is such a rare and unique discussion list. Not only do you get a friendly treatment and valuable tips -- you also get high class poetry... ;-) /Max G
Can't view source/headers
When I get som html spam mails I the Show Simple/Full Header commands are greyed out, and I can't see were the mail comes from. In Entourage (and most other emailers, I believe) the is a View Source command, but I can't find it in PowerMail. What to do? (My preference settings for HTML Reader is Enabled, with the two sub boxes unchecked.) Max Gossell
Re(2): Backing up
At 11 mars 2003, 03.35 CET, Mikke Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it I just back up the PowerMail Files folder then. Right? Well, yes and no. Yes, you can do that from time to time. But what I'm asking for is incremental backup. That is when only the new messages are added to the backup. Clearly this needs to be done with another backup database or databaseimportable structure and it needs to be automated with scripting or some other solution. Yes, so I've understood. But you're a bit more scrupulous than me, and you seem to know far more about tech stuff. I just wanted a confirmation that's the folder to backup. When talking about a file that is some 30 times smaller than my Entourage database was, I'm quite happy for now to backup the whole thing... :-) Max Gossell Another Suede
Re: Deleting messages attachments
How do I do to delete the message but _keep_ the attachment (without manually move/copy it directly from the finder first)? Is this possible? you will need to move the attachment manually from the attachment folder if you want to keep it but trash the message. control-click onto the attachment icon reveal in finder drag it to another location (e.g. 'attachments_to_keep' within the attachment folder or just a level higher - makes the manual drag step fast and painless). PM needs to loose the link to the attachment which happens through manually moving the attachment to another location. now you're save to trash the email message. ---marlyse Another option, if you know you're going to keep the attachment(s) when you're reading the message, is to use the attachment icons at the bottom of the mail window. You should see one icon for each attachment, and the icons should have the proper badge showing you the document type they are. If you select one of the attachment icons from within the mail you are reading and drag it to the Desktop, you will move the attachment out of the Attachments folder and onto the Desktop (breaking the link between message and attachment, by the way). This is one way to do what you want. The other is to Option- drag the icon to the Desktop. This creates a copy of the attachment on the Desktop. In this case, you will now have two instances of the attachment: one on the Desktop (or wherever you dragged to, actually) and one in the Attachments folder. This does not break the link between message and attachment. Of course, this only works while you're reading the messages. The reason being, that is the only time you see the icons representing attachment files. Tim Tokyo, Japan iBook PPC G3 300MHz OS 8.6 160MB/+400MB VM CarbonLib 1.6 PM 4.1.2 (15MB allocated) 2 pane view Digest Mode Tim's PowerMail FAQ http://home.hpo.net/timm/PowerMailFAQ.html Last updated: March 21, 2002 PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html
Re: Backing up
Mikke Byström on 3/11/03 said For now, I'd be satisfied if somone knowing told me, that PM supports exporting messages and grouops of messages to standardized formats that perhaps can be automated with scripting in order to be imported to PM or elsewhere. We did tell you that. You can export the entire PM database, Or you can export folder by folder. Or you can export selected messages. It is under File:Database. You can export into PowerMail format. You can export into MS Entourage exported mailbox [never tried that]. You can export into Eudora format [tried that]. You can export into Eudora Japanese. You can export into Netscape Communicator. You can export into Unix Mailbox format. You can import to Mac OS X Mail format. You can export into Tabulated Text format. Of course PowerMail Exchange would be the one to use if you are going to export/import from and to powermail. I actually do this export periodically, but the only time I ever tested the import was when I was still on a trial basis and kept getting over 200 messages, then I would export. When I got my paid copy I reimported those messages. I do find it works better folder by folder than doing the whole thing at once, but I do that sometimes also. -- Barbara Needham
Re(3): Deleting messages attachments
Ever tried DragThing http://www.dragthing.com/ ? I'm like you myself, but with this app you can have a set of folders in an extra dock, and then you just drag and drop the files there... thanks for the tip. yes, I do use dragthing. next to be a desktop clogger, I am an utility hoger wow, even rimes ;-) seriously, drag thing, default folder, alias menu etc. - these little apps make life so much more pleasant! ---marlyse
Re: How to Hack PM Sounds in OSX, wi/o OS9
Mikke Byström said it like: Resploder: explodes a Macintosh file into a folder (and back). I'd definitely use this on a copy. As you always should of course. http://ljug.com/sw/resploder.html Most promising of these three despite it's hardcore tactics. Well, having said the above, let me add that a test need to be done before this app can be trusted with editing a PM copy that is going to be used for important stuff: Take it apart, put it back together and compare with Rescompare (Classic). If it's not the same, I wouldn't use this application for anything I need to trust.
Re: Backing up
Max Gossell sa: I take it I just back up the PowerMail Files folder then. Right? Well, yes and no. Yes, you can do that from time to time. But what I'm asking for is incremental backup. That is when only the new messages are added to the backup. Clearly this needs to be done with another backup database or databaseimportable structure and it needs to be automated with scripting or some other solution. For now, I'd be satisfied if somone knowing told me, that PM supports exporting messages and grouops of messages to standardized formats that perhaps can be automated with scripting in order to be imported to PM or elsewhere.
Re(2): recent mail
Thanks Barbara. That's how I set it at first for spam, but thought I should check before I delete, since sometimes I am a bit too quick on the draw with deletions... This does seem like the best way though to maintain a clean view in RMW, since there is no way to easily mark as read and remove from view. I am sure this can be done in AppleScript, but I don't have the power. For now, this solution works just fine. Thanks, JG -- Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. --J.R.R. Tolkien on Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:26:38 -0800 /Barbara Needham said: Jonathan Greene on 3/10/03 said Any way to select messages NOT to display in recent mail? I have a JUNK folder where spam goes and would love to hide that from recent mail views Posted on Monday by Rick Lecoat: One way of getting around even the slight chore of clicking the 'delete read messages' button in the Recent Mail Window (RMW) is to move the messages to the trash before moving them to their final destination, as any message moved to trash is also removed from the RMW. I use this to prevent list stuff (like this list) from cluttering up the RMW; the filter that processes incoming list postings contains the action Move message to Mail Trash followed immediately by Move message to folder PM List. With Spam sieve this would be slightly more complicated because all the message processing is done by the Spam Sieve script rather than by separate filter actions, but it shouldn't be too hard to add a line to the SS Move Spam script that moves the message through the trash en-route to its final resting place. Rick PS. Acknowledgements to Marcus Jarrett who first tipped me off about the move-to-trash trick for preventing RMW clutter -- Barbara Needham
Re(2): How to Hack PM Sounds in OSX, wi/o OS9
Thanks for the legwork and research...Maybe PowerMail should just natively support OS X sound formats. -- UNIVERSAL MIND You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. -Al Capone on Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:16:02 +0100 /Mikke Byström said: Karel Gillissen sa: I don't think there is a way at the moment. This is an issue that CTM dev will need to fix. They need to come up with another method of doing this since new Macintosh computers can't startup in Mac OS 9. Right now, the best solution might be to have somebody else who can startup in Mac OS 9 add additional sounds for you. :-( Wayne John, Wayne, Yes you can, allbeit an expenisve solution: with Resorcerer 2.4 OSX (www.mathemaesthetics.com Open Powermail - Contents - Resources - PowerMail.rsrc and you will find the snd resources to edit/delete or add new ones. Well, a trip to versiontracker reveals these possibly alternatives (not tested though), while in alpha/beta, they may be worth checking out, if Sound exchange is the only use. (It may turn out to be not possible to edit sound resources though): Resploder: explodes a Macintosh file into a folder (and back). I'd definitely use this on a copy. As you always should of course. http://ljug.com/sw/resploder.html Most promising of these three despite it's hardcore tactics. Snoop: Snoop presents the file or memory's data to you in an easy to undersant hex and ascii view, allowing you to do your editing in either view. http://www.resexcellence.com/files/file_Snoop16.sit Versiontracker posts do no bode well for getting an evaluation key, however, so maybe a dead end. The maker Evatac www.evatac.com have a wrongly setup web objects server. Hm. I also found Mac Resource Dog, but it doesn't seem to do sound unfortunately. http://www.illenberger-berlin.de/fearonni/macresourcedog.html Otherwise it seems quite useful. Maybe the author is responsive to requests?
Re: How to Hack PM Sounds in OSX, wi/o OS9
Karel Gillissen sa: I don't think there is a way at the moment. This is an issue that CTM dev will need to fix. They need to come up with another method of doing this since new Macintosh computers can't startup in Mac OS 9. Right now, the best solution might be to have somebody else who can startup in Mac OS 9 add additional sounds for you. :-( Wayne John, Wayne, Yes you can, allbeit an expenisve solution: with Resorcerer 2.4 OSX (www.mathemaesthetics.com Open Powermail - Contents - Resources - PowerMail.rsrc and you will find the snd resources to edit/delete or add new ones. Well, a trip to versiontracker reveals these possibly alternatives (not tested though), while in alpha/beta, they may be worth checking out, if Sound exchange is the only use. (It may turn out to be not possible to edit sound resources though): Resploder: explodes a Macintosh file into a folder (and back). I'd definitely use this on a copy. As you always should of course. http://ljug.com/sw/resploder.html Most promising of these three despite it's hardcore tactics. Snoop: Snoop presents the file or memory's data to you in an easy to undersant hex and ascii view, allowing you to do your editing in either view. http://www.resexcellence.com/files/file_Snoop16.sit Versiontracker posts do no bode well for getting an evaluation key, however, so maybe a dead end. The maker Evatac www.evatac.com have a wrongly setup web objects server. Hm. I also found Mac Resource Dog, but it doesn't seem to do sound unfortunately. http://www.illenberger-berlin.de/fearonni/macresourcedog.html Otherwise it seems quite useful. Maybe the author is responsive to requests?
Re(3): Deleting messages attachments
At 10 mars 2003, 18.57 CET, Marlyse Comte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just drag the attachment from the message window to my desktop. PM only moves files from the attachments folder to the trash when deleting the message. No need to go to the actual attachments folder in the finder. ahhh see, I am one of those people who easily collects hundreds of files on the desktop in one big mess and then end up with a folder on the desktop with these assorted tidbits collected called 'desktop_stuff2sort' and then 'desktop_stuff2sort_2' - LOL, no disciplinary measure has helped so far - so by whatever means I will drag attachments NOT to the desktop but directly into their clients folder or, as suggested, into a sub- attachment folder from PM. assuming others suffer the same untidiness as I do, I tried not to spread my bad desktop habits with suggesting what you did ;-) Ever tried DragThing http://www.dragthing.com/ ? I'm like you myself, but with this app you can have a set of folders in an extra dock, and then you just drag and drop the files there... /Max G
Backing up - Hold it!!
Ouch -- I just found out... Seems like Powermail managed to un-embedd some attachments when I transferred everything from Entourage. These attachments found their place in the Attachment Folder inside the PowerMail Files folder before I changed the attachments to another folder. Some pretty naughty 100 Mb attachment files in there made up the mystery megs. I'm so sorry to bother you all with this. Please forgive me! I take it I just back up the PowerMail Files folder then. Right? /Max Gossell PS -- Bloody amazing, really. My old Entourage database was almost one Gb in size, and with Powermail I'm down to 30Mb. Can't say I regret moving back to PowerMail... ---Earlier Message (sent a minute ago): After having read the backup discussion I'd like to know: What, exactly, do I have to back up? I presume it's the database files in the folder PowerMail Files. But I don't understand one thing: These 4 files* are together about 30 Mb on my disk, and then there a few other Mb in the other Folder/files (Indexes etc.) _But_ if I mark the folder PowerMail Files and choose Get Info it says 375.6 MB on disk. That makes quite a few megs uncounted for. Hidden data files or what? It would be interesting to know why this is, and exactly what I need to backup. /Max Gossell *(Address Database, Message Database, Server-side Database, Setup Database)
Re(2): Deleting messages attachments
I just drag the attachment from the message window to my desktop. PM only moves files from the attachments folder to the trash when deleting the message. No need to go to the actual attachments folder in the finder. ahhh see, I am one of those people who easily collects hundreds of files on the desktop in one big mess and then end up with a folder on the desktop with these assorted tidbits collected called 'desktop_stuff2sort' and then 'desktop_stuff2sort_2' - LOL, no disciplinary measure has helped so far - so by whatever means I will drag attachments NOT to the desktop but directly into their clients folder or, as suggested, into a sub- attachment folder from PM. assuming others suffer the same untidiness as I do, I tried not to spread my bad desktop habits with suggesting what you did ;-) ---marlyse
Backing up
After having read the backup discussion I'd like to know: What, exactly, do I have to back up? I presume it's the database files in the folder PowerMail Files. But I don't understand one thing: These 4 files* are together about 30 Mb on my disk, and then there a few other Mb in the other Folder/files (Indexes etc.) _But_ if I mark the folder PowerMail Files and choose Get Info it says 375.6 MB on disk. That makes quite a few megs uncounted for. Hidden data files or what? It would be interesting to know why this is, and exactly what I need to backup. /Max Gossell *(Address Database, Message Database, Server-side Database, Setup Database)
Re(3): new sounds?
If you still have your OS9 boot disk use that temporarily. I had my OS9 disk crash so for a month i had to run on OSX only. I used my OS9 boot disk a couple of times to fix things that OSX wouldn't let me touch. Not a neat and tidy way but it worked. Also thanks for the info on Tri-edre. I have been contemplating buying it as well and your message just made the decision for me. Gerry The faster the computer The more impatient the user I don't have 9 installed! Only OSX. Any other way ? On Monday, March 10, 2003 at 7:14 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: on Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:09:17 -0600 /Wayne Brissette said: There must be a way to hack this. Anybody know where PM store's it's (very limited choice of) sound files? in a file that is only accessible from Mac OS 9. Startup in Mac OS 9 and modify the sounds suitcase. I do not run Classic or 9 at all - 100% OS X. Any other option? -- I hate it when my foot falls asleep during the day-because then I know it will be up all night. -- Steven Wright -- The faster the computer The more impatient the user.
Re: recent mail
Jonathan Greene on 3/10/03 said Any way to select messages NOT to display in recent mail? I have a JUNK folder where spam goes and would love to hide that from recent mail views Posted on Monday by Rick Lecoat: One way of getting around even the slight chore of clicking the 'delete read messages' button in the Recent Mail Window (RMW) is to move the messages to the trash before moving them to their final destination, as any message moved to trash is also removed from the RMW. I use this to prevent list stuff (like this list) from cluttering up the RMW; the filter that processes incoming list postings contains the action Move message to Mail Trash followed immediately by Move message to folder PM List. With Spam sieve this would be slightly more complicated because all the message processing is done by the Spam Sieve script rather than by separate filter actions, but it shouldn't be too hard to add a line to the SS Move Spam script that moves the message through the trash en-route to its final resting place. Rick PS. Acknowledgements to Marcus Jarrett who first tipped me off about the move-to-trash trick for preventing RMW clutter -- Barbara Needham
