Re(2): more PGP...
on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:01:41 +0100 / Thomas Thaler said: Message originally sent on: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:13:27 PM - this time w/o attachment! I can't be the only one who wants to use PGP... I will attach the scripts that come with PGP for someone in the hopes that someone here might also 1) have an interest and 2) be able to provide assistance with the modifications. My friend is able to use PGP with AppleScript in Entourage on the fly. I have to work it via the clipboard which is ok, but within the app is obviously much slicker not too mention secure. Thanks, JG __ The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it - John Gilmore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello John to help you we need some more information from your side. What System OS do you use Powermail with? Which Version of PGP do you use? As an first answer, I can tell you that PGP 8.0 and PowerMail 4.1.2 do work together without any problems under Mac OS X 10.2.4. 1.) Write your text. 2.) Type cmd-a after you finished with writing. 3.) After this command go straight to the PowerMail Menu PowerMail. 4.) No choose Service then PGP and then what ever you want. Sign, Encrypt, Signg Encrypt 5.) You will see the result straight after depressing the mouse button. YOU RULE!! SO obvious and yet so difficult in the midst of banging my head last night. That service menu is one handy thing. Thanks, JG -- Whatever it is the government does, sensible Americans would prefer that the government do it to somebody else. - P.J. O'Rourke
Re: more PGP...
Message originally sent on: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:13:27 PM - this time w/o attachment! I can't be the only one who wants to use PGP... I will attach the scripts that come with PGP for someone in the hopes that someone here might also 1) have an interest and 2) be able to provide assistance with the modifications. My friend is able to use PGP with AppleScript in Entourage on the fly. I have to work it via the clipboard which is ok, but within the app is obviously much slicker not too mention secure. Thanks, JG __ The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it - John Gilmore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello John to help you we need some more information from your side. What System OS do you use Powermail with? Which Version of PGP do you use? As an first answer, I can tell you that PGP 8.0 and PowerMail 4.1.2 do work together without any problems under Mac OS X 10.2.4. 1.) Write your text. 2.) Type cmd-a after you finished with writing. 3.) After this command go straight to the PowerMail Menu PowerMail. 4.) No choose Service then PGP and then what ever you want. Sign, Encrypt, Signg Encrypt 5.) You will see the result straight after depressing the mouse button. - -- With the best regards Thomas Thaler Uitikonerstrasse 37 CH-8902 Urdorf Switzerland http://www.machilfe.ch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBPnX/WOJ6D4u7dRg3EQKMJwCfTfE3vftY1JfmRT1f7FadDvxWv0kAn1HJ AmNoAeLMiKUcerD9TdVO+Ic5 =aYjT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Bugs in powermail...
a msg from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/17/03 7:08 AM included ... You might want to check the options for receiving mail where there are more than one POP account - the options are sequential or all at once - I found that if I had it set to all at once I had similar symptoms; automated or scheduled connections stalled part way but manual connections worked fine. Suggest you try changing to sequential or one-at-a-time and see if that solves it... I only have one account to check and I have tried resetting the option to no effect on the problem.
Re(2): Bugs in powermail...
Thanks for the tip... will let everyone know if that fixes it. -- If intelligence were taken out of my life, it would only be more or less reduced. If I had no one to love, it would be ruined. -- Henri de Montherlant, Explicit Mysterium, 1931 on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:08:16 + / Stuart McKnight said: You might want to check the options for receiving mail where there are more than one POP account - the options are sequential or all at once - I found that if I had it set to all at once I had similar symptoms; automated or scheduled connections stalled part way but manual connections worked fine. Suggest you try changing to sequential or one-at-a-time and see if that solves it... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of martin schiller Sent: 17 March 2003 14:44 To: PowerMail discussions Subject: Re: Bugs in powermail... I've been painting the area I use for my OS X box with PowerMail so I've been using my iMac 9.2 with Claris Emailer. In the time that I've been using eMailer I haven't noticed any of the stalled connections that I was having with PowerMail. I reconnected the OS X machine and used Powermail, and the first connection that I had scheduled stalled - the status window remains open displaying 'downloading xx messages...' and remains there until it is dismissed by a mouse click on the 'stop' button. I tried running eMailer and PowerMail alternately from the OS X box, eMailer from classic mode, and I experienced the problem twice more with Powermail over a 24 hour timeframe. I've not had the problem at all with eMailer. I'm beginning to suspect that the culprit in my connection problems is not my ISP, but PowerMail. Your message could not be processed because you are not allowed to post messages to the PowerMail discussions list. For more information, you can contact the list administrator at: Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bugs in powermail...
You might want to check the options for receiving mail where there are more than one POP account - the options are sequential or all at once - I found that if I had it set to all at once I had similar symptoms; automated or scheduled connections stalled part way but manual connections worked fine. Suggest you try changing to sequential or one-at-a-time and see if that solves it... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of martin schiller Sent: 17 March 2003 14:44 To: PowerMail discussions Subject: Re: Bugs in powermail... I've been painting the area I use for my OS X box with PowerMail so I've been using my iMac 9.2 with Claris Emailer. In the time that I've been using eMailer I haven't noticed any of the stalled connections that I was having with PowerMail. I reconnected the OS X machine and used Powermail, and the first connection that I had scheduled stalled - the status window remains open displaying 'downloading xx messages...' and remains there until it is dismissed by a mouse click on the 'stop' button. I tried running eMailer and PowerMail alternately from the OS X box, eMailer from classic mode, and I experienced the problem twice more with Powermail over a 24 hour timeframe. I've not had the problem at all with eMailer. I'm beginning to suspect that the culprit in my connection problems is not my ISP, but PowerMail. Your message could not be processed because you are not allowed to post messages to the PowerMail discussions list. For more information, you can contact the list administrator at: Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): Bugs in powermail...
on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:43:52 -0800 / martin schiller said: I've been painting the area I use for my OS X box with PowerMail so I've been using my iMac 9.2 with Claris Emailer. In the time that I've been using eMailer I haven't noticed any of the stalled connections that I was having with PowerMail. I reconnected the OS X machine and used Powermail, and the first connection that I had scheduled stalled - the status window remains open displaying 'downloading xx messages...' and remains there until it is dismissed by a mouse click on the 'stop' button. I tried running eMailer and PowerMail alternately from the OS X box, eMailer from classic mode, and I experienced the problem twice more with Powermail over a 24 hour timeframe. I've not had the problem at all with eMailer. I'm beginning to suspect that the culprit in my connection problems is not my ISP, but PowerMail. I get that occasionally as well though I cannot attribute it to any specific account of the 4 I check. It either eventually goes through or I have to hit stop and try again. -- For seven and half years I've worked alongside President Reagan. We've had triumphs. Made some mistakes. We've had some sex... uh...setbacks. - President George Bush (stated when Vice President)
Re: Bugs in powermail...
I've been painting the area I use for my OS X box with PowerMail so I've been using my iMac 9.2 with Claris Emailer. In the time that I've been using eMailer I haven't noticed any of the stalled connections that I was having with PowerMail. I reconnected the OS X machine and used Powermail, and the first connection that I had scheduled stalled - the status window remains open displaying 'downloading xx messages...' and remains there until it is dismissed by a mouse click on the 'stop' button. I tried running eMailer and PowerMail alternately from the OS X box, eMailer from classic mode, and I experienced the problem twice more with Powermail over a 24 hour timeframe. I've not had the problem at all with eMailer. I'm beginning to suspect that the culprit in my connection problems is not my ISP, but PowerMail.
Re(2): Avoiding Web Bugs - how to?
Splendid! I like PowerMail better and better for each day... :-) Thanks for the info. /Max G. At 17 mars 2003, 14.02 CET, Koen Beerens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:53:33 +0100, Max Gossell wrote: * Are they activated as soon as they arrive? * Are they activated when marked? * Are they activated when opened? They are activated when PowerMail downloads external images. If you deactivate that option in the html reader prefs, they can't contact the webbug server. -- Best regards, Koen 'Organic beings are constantly fighting for life. Every breath, every motion brings you one instant closer to your death. With that kind of heritage and destiny, how can you deny yourself? How can you expect yourself to give up violence?' -- Durandal
Re: Avoiding Web Bugs - how to?
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:53:33 +0100, Max Gossell wrote: * Are they activated as soon as they arrive? * Are they activated when marked? * Are they activated when opened? They are activated when PowerMail downloads external images. If you deactivate that option in the html reader prefs, they can't contact the webbug server. -- Best regards, Koen 'Organic beings are constantly fighting for life. Every breath, every motion brings you one instant closer to your death. With that kind of heritage and destiny, how can you deny yourself? How can you expect yourself to give up violence?' -- Durandal
Re: Bugs in powermail...
Greg Saylor wrote: I have tried this several times.. Even individually clicking on each message and clicking send -- nothing causes the send process to get started... Right now I have about 200 messages in my outbox with a waiting status... Strange... You can try to select them, click in the waiting popup menu in the status column, change the status to draft, then click the send button in the toolbar. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - PowerMail is a simple yet powerful email app. Works as it should with none unneeded features that bloat so many email clients. It may not be the cheapest email client for Mac OS X but if mail is important to you -as it is with most professionals- it is worth every cent. The support is fast and outstanding. PowerMail user comment on www.vesiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Mikke Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/17/03 at 7:36 PM stated: This doesn't seem right. If the *client* collects the message and by automatization prepares and sends a receipt message back, that does show that the original sent message is in the mailbox of the adressee, not that it have been collected by the mailserver. Actually this is right and you can read about it here: http://www.tac.nyc.ny.us/cgi-bin/rfc?2076 Also, this is quite interesting (it's from RFC 2298) http:// www.tac.nyc.ny.us/cgi-bin/rfc?2298 The presence of a Disposition-Notification-To header in a message is merely a request for an MDN. The recipients' user agents are always free to silently ignore such a request. Alternatively, an explicit denial of the request for information about the disposition of the message may be sent using the denied disposition in an MDN. ... While Internet standards normally do not specify the behavior of user interfaces, it is strongly recommended that the user agent obtain the user's consent before sending an MDN. This consent could be obtained for each message through some sort of prompt or dialog box, or globally through the user's setting of a preference. The user might also indicate globally that MDNs are never to be sent or that a denied MDN is always sent in response to a request for an MDN. -- Somebody's dead forever... - Somebody Got Murdered -- Joe Strummer (1952-2002 R.I.P.) Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Actually, it's easy to set up a simple filter to do this. Emails which require a return receipt have a Disposition-Notification- To: line in the header. My filter is set up thusly: Filter incoming messages (checked) Conditions: Any field contains: Disposition-Notification-To: Actions: Display alert: sender e-mail address requests a return receipt Auto Reply: (here, click the set reply button compose your preferred reply like this is to acknowdege that your message has been displayed.etc It's very basic and does not give you a yes/no option. But it works for my simple needs. Perhaps one of the filter wizards on this list can further refine it. Hope this helps, Robi -- Robi Gallardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.robigallardo.com DPI Enterprises http://www.robigallardo.com/dpi/ On Sun, Mar 16, 2003, Paolo Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Is there a Return Receipt function From: Paolo Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:48:01 +0100 Thanks for the answers. I begin to suspect that PowerMail has not this feature that other clients have (Eudora, Musashi, Entourage...). I don't know if CTMDEV folks follow this list, but I can say that the lack of this feature will prevent my enterprise from making PowerMail our default e-mail client (though it will not prevent me from using it with satisfaction). In a business environment it is mandatory (or simply useful) to have the certainty of the reception of your messages sometimes. Certified mail services will do it in time, but meanwhile return receipts are the best widely available solution. Anyway... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he is looking to get an email when an email he sends is received at the other end. Exactly
Re: Trashing partly retrieved messages - losing its humour!
Jérôme, Thus spoke Nick Quinn's list address [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, 17 March 2003 at 10:41 AM +1000: Thus spoke PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday, 15 March 2003 at 6:41 AM +1000: You can also delete the message from the server manually, if you have enabled the online status column in the view options. I did that and when I do View-view unread, I get: An Error Occurred MAS Error 1 (MAS feature error) in 100 (). Low level error even when I turned off online status this folder (actually the powermail list one) is unusable in the browse window, even after an option-apple low level rebuild! I have to double click on the folder icon and open a new window to access the folder. Otherwise the other folders catch the same illness. Not funny on a 250MB (compacts to 61MB.sit) database... well less withouts .old's hf, Nick Quinn Sunshine Beach Software in OZ
Re: Bugs in powermail...
Greg Saylor on 3/16/03 said I have tried this several times.. Even individually clicking on each message and clicking send -- nothing causes the send process to get started... Right now I have about 200 messages in my outbox with a waiting status... Any other ideas?.. Well, it seems kind of tedious to try this 200 times -- but double click on the message in the list so that you have a window open with just the mail you want to send. Try to type something in this mail. PowerMail will ask you what you want to do with this. Of the choices, choose change as draft. Then Send. If you want to make sure they go, then hit your command minus to send it off right away. If you want to be brave, do a few and then go to command minus [or from the menu, of course]. -- Barbara Needham
Re: Bugs in powermail...
See comments below... Greg Saylor wrote: #1. If you set in a mail rule to first move a message to a folder and then redirect it... The message will not appear as new in the folder it was moved to.. That is not really a bug. The status of a message is either unread, read, redirected etc... It can't be at the same time unread and redirected. If you want the message to remain unread after the auto-redirect filter, you must add a set status to unread action. #2. As a consequence of #1, sometimes my internet connection goes down and there are a bunch of emails in my out box, with a status of waiting.. Even when I click Send waiting messages they won't send.. Yes, there is a problem here; you must resend the messages manually: select them in the out tray and press the send button in the toolbar (or use the mail/send menu). I have tried this several times.. Even individually clicking on each message and clicking send -- nothing causes the send process to get started... Right now I have about 200 messages in my outbox with a waiting status... Any other ideas?.. - Greg Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Mikke, well said. I miss this function since I started with PM and I like the implementation of the function in Eudora. I have a button to add it to the current message and I have a button to send one if it is requested. This function is quite often used in the communication with banks, layers etc. and these people tend to be annoyed, if they don't get one. These people also don't care for RFCs (return requests are not a part of these) or Netiquette. They just want to have the feature. BTW, same is valid for the priority flag. All the Best Matthias Schmidt - schmidt-systementwicklung www.schmidt-system.de www.schmidt-system.com - Am/on: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:36:46 +0100 schrieb/wrote: Mikke Byström: Marlyse Comte said: I definitely would not want such a 'flag' - I think it is my privacy to receive and read or not read something, it is not the other parties business - especially not if I think of all those Spammers out there, just wanting to get an email address verified. So yes, I also think this would be against Nettiquette (next to eating bandwidth etc.). Marlyse, I feel you're assuming too much here. A receipt function could very well let the user maintain control over to whom such is sent. The logic could be: If sender is in Workgroup XXZ, then check for return-receipt header. If such is found prepare receipt and add to que. So if a spammer or anyone not in Workgroup XXZ send such a mail, the receipt header would be ignored. My way of handling email is that if an email does not come back as 'undeliverable' to assume it arrived. Then give and take as with any (postal) mail and knock again if not heard back :) This may work for you and me in 99% of the cases, but for others with another work model it may not be enough. Don't judge other people with yourself as the standard.
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Don't judge other people with yourself as the standard. Any email I send is always only my own opinion (and in no way did I ever judge the other party, I said how it is for me, not for him) - and never would I want nor try to talk for the masses - so please never feel offended by whatever I say. ---marlyse P.S.: But for the matter of survival and my sanity, of course I am always right :
some help please - AppleScript
I've been banging my head against the desk for quite a while trying to get this to work... I can't get PM to print back the resulting encoded text. It seems to be working other in that text is grabbed and encoded, just not swapped out at the end. Any help would be fantastic. -- Get the content tell application PowerMail activate set windowContent to content of front window end tell -- Encrypt and sign the content tell application PGP activate set windowContent to encrypt and sign text windowContent end tell tell application PowerMail activate set content of front window to windowContent set AppleScript's text item delimiters to the ASCII character 10 try set the lineList to every text item of windowContent set AppleScript's text item delimiters to the return set windowContent to the lineList as string set AppleScript's text item delimiters to display dialog windowContent set content of front window to windowContent on error set AppleScript's text item delimiters to end try end tell -- Have a nice day -- I saw a subliminal advertising executive, but only for a second. - Steven Wright
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Marlyse Comte said: I definitely would not want such a 'flag' - I think it is my privacy to receive and read or not read something, it is not the other parties business - especially not if I think of all those Spammers out there, just wanting to get an email address verified. So yes, I also think this would be against Nettiquette (next to eating bandwidth etc.). Marlyse, I feel you're assuming too much here. A receipt function could very well let the user maintain control over to whom such is sent. The logic could be: If sender is in Workgroup XXZ, then check for return-receipt header. If such is found prepare receipt and add to que. So if a spammer or anyone not in Workgroup XXZ send such a mail, the receipt header would be ignored. My way of handling email is that if an email does not come back as 'undeliverable' to assume it arrived. Then give and take as with any (postal) mail and knock again if not heard back :) This may work for you and me in 99% of the cases, but for others with another work model it may not be enough. Don't judge other people with yourself as the standard.
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Wayne Brissette said like: Unless you are on a proprietary email system, all return receipt does in every internet email client I've seen is tell you when the server collected the message from you. NOT when the recipient pulled it off his server or read it. In fact, it's still possible that the recipient never gets it. So, by having a return receipt on internet mail is totally worthless. Now, if you are on a proprietary mail system (which includes MS mail servers) this is not the case and it does mean something, but since you're obviously on a Mac this isn't the case either. This doesn't seem right. If the *client* collects the message and by automatization prepares and sends a receipt message back, that does show that the original sent message is in the mailbox of the adressee, not that it have been collected by the mailserver. The read status have not been sent of course, so the script in the client could be improved by sending only when the message have been opened. Then actual read status of the contents will have to be assumed of course.
Re: Trashing partly retrieved messages
Jérôme, Thus spoke PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday, 15 March 2003 at 6:41 AM +1000: You can also delete the message from the server manually, if you have enabled the online status column in the view options. I did that and when I do View-view unread, I get: An Error Occurred MAS Error 1 (MAS feature error) in 100 (). Low level error even when I turned off online status wdyt, Nick Quinn Sunshine Beach Software in OZ
Re: Receipt function - now priorities
Neil Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/16/03 at 14:30 stated: I saw a mention about priorities earlier and was wondering how if at all that might work. Can we set urgent (the only one worthwhile anyway) at all? The two headings required for priorities and return receipts are: Mail Priority: X-Priority: (number from 1-5, one being most urgent) Return Receipt: Disposition-Notification-To: Name of Sendeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not an Applescript guru (Wayne? CTM?), but I'm guessing that if there's any way to add and set these headings via Applescript, that would be the easiest route. The easiest route is what I mentioned a few months back and was reposted recently (Thanks Tim) Here it is again: Subject: Re: Mail priorites From: Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:45:09 -0600 Zach Selland [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 20 December 2002 stated: On Fri, Dec 20, 2002, Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't get into the merits or non-merits of priorities, but will suggest that you contact CTM Development directly and ask them about this feature request. It should be noted, also, that with version 4 there is now an option (under Accounts) to add user-specified headers to outgoing mail. While this isn't terribly realistic for setting various priorities for outgoing mail, perhaps it can be applescripted? Thanks, Zach Hey, now this isn't such a bad idea. AppleScripts to do this aren't the best idea, but you could make this work. To make this work, you would have to do the following: Make 5 accounts Account_Highest Account_High Account_Normal (or just Account) Account_Low Account_Lowest These accounts would be identical except for one part. In the Account area in the Advanced: area you would have to put the following: Set Account_Highest's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 1 (minus the quotes) Set Account_High's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 2 (minus the quotes) Set Account_Normal's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 3 (minus the quotes -- or leave off all together) Set Account_Low's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 4 (minus the quotes) Set Account_Lowest's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 5 (minus the quotes) Then you would need to setup incomming filters that would do something based on the priorities (change items color, put into certain folder, etc.) Now when somebody wanted to send a high priority message, they would simply use the pull-down to change the account. This wouldn't be any more difficult than Microsoft has made setting labels in their products. Wayne -- sans la Musique la Vie serait une Erreur Without music, life would be a serious mistake. - Frederich Nietzsche Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
I think he is looking to get an email when an email he sends is received at the other end. Thanks for the answers. I definitely would not want such a 'flag' - I think it is my privacy to receive and read or not read something, it is not the other parties business - especially not if I think of all those Spammers out there, just wanting to get an email address verified. So yes, I also think this would be against Nettiquette (next to eating bandwidth etc.). My way of handling email is that if an email does not come back as 'undeliverable' to assume it arrived. Then give and take as with any (postal) mail and knock again if not heard back :) ---marlyse
Re: Is there a Return Receipt function
Paolo Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/16/03 at 12:48 stated: Thanks for the answers. I begin to suspect that PowerMail has not this feature that other clients have (Eudora, Musashi, Entourage...). I don't know if CTMDEV folks follow this list, but I can say that the lack of this feature will prevent my enterprise from making PowerMail our default e-mail client (though it will not prevent me from using it with satisfaction). In a business environment it is mandatory (or simply useful) to have the certainty of the reception of your messages sometimes. Certified mail services will do it in time, but meanwhile return receipts are the best widely available solution. Anyway... But you're missing the point. Unless you are on a proprietary email system, all return receipt does in every internet email client I've seen is tell you when the server collected the message from you. NOT when the recipient pulled it off his server or read it. In fact, it's still possible that the recipient never gets it. So, by having a return receipt on internet mail is totally worthless. Now, if you are on a proprietary mail system (which includes MS mail servers) this is not the case and it does mean something, but since you're obviously on a Mac this isn't the case either. Wayne -- Music is spiritual. The music business is not. - Van Morrison Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
