Re: more html issues
On Tue, Jun 29, 20048:42 AM, the following words from Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 stated: HTML/XML mail or similar will sooner or later supersede the pure text messages of today, no matter what PM users think about it. Not without one helluva fight, it won't... (and we PM users are not exclusive with this opinion) Ben is correct. However, I do feel that the ASCII vs. HTML/XML fight will at some point be won by the make it look pretty crowd. However, I also think the ASCII/text fight will be won, not on the desktop, but where more mail is soon to be flowing that is via cell phones, PDAs, and the like. Part of the problem is that new people don't know the difference between HTML and text email. These people just type in text, see that they can make stuff bold or colored along with graphics and do it because it is there as their program's default configuration. These are the same people who usually have HTML pages automatically displayed - with all the graphics, viruses, and triggers for email harvesting spammers. I think HTML is persistent in email from ignorance more than anything else. Spam and viruses wouldn't be the problems they are today without the ignorance factor. Most of the HTML I receive from those who know the different formats are usually advertisers who believe their products are more tempting if displayed with graphics, yet they often leave out important details about the products they are tempting you with in the hopes that you will be more gullible because of flash and glitz. Virus spreaders and spammers count on the ignorant as much as the advertisers do. I'm hoping that the pen (text) will continue to be mightier than the (eye-catching appearance) sword in the battle of which is supreme and long-lasting. cheshirekat -- Sleep after toil, port after stormy seas, ease after war, death after life does greatly please. -Edmund Spenser, poet (1552-1599) * 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram * * Addictions: iTunes 4 * WarCraft * The Sims * FileMaker Pro
RE: more html issues
Jeffrey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If that's how you want your email, you probably need to use a different program This is not a useful response. I absolutely hate it when some people respond to a problem like that. The user can't be blaimed for the format of mail that is sent to him/her. It is a 100% useful response. If you want HTML mail, PM is not the client for you. What can be more clear and concise? I absolutely hate it when non-newbies start whining about HTML. You've obviously used computers, email, the internet and PM for some time now, figure it out! If HTML encoded inoming mail should be second class citizens in PM, then PM should have the option to automatically decode the message to clear text, built-in or come with the appropriate scripts and software ready to use. That such are downloadable is not enough. I'll sorta concede to PM needing to get along. Except it already does, as mentioned every month on this board and repeatedly in this thread. Again, if you don't like its implementation of HTML (or windows, or shortcuts, or the toolbar buttons), buy something else. What is the big deal? If you dislike Coke and like Pepsi, do you drink Coke every day and write Coke saying you should make your beverage taste like Pepsi? It's a big market, use what you want and learn what you use. And, since I know what comes next, don't bother telling me, I like the other features, just not this one. So why can't I whine about it? The answer is, people are sick of the whining. Obviously, anybody on the fence needs to reassess their wants and needs and either learn to like PM or learn to like one of the other clients. HTML/XML mail or similar will sooner or later supersede the pure text messages of today, no matter what PM users think about it. So what? It's today, not tomorrow. Get the appropriate email client tomorrow when tomorrow arrives. Personally, however, I prefer pure text. Make up your mind, Mikael. Do you want text or HTML? Jeff T
Re: more html issues
Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 stated: HTML/XML mail or similar will sooner or later supersede the pure text messages of today, no matter what PM users think about it. Not without one helluva fight, it won't... (and we PM users are not exclusive with this opinion) Ben is correct. However, I do feel that the ASCII vs. HTML/XML fight will at some point be won by the make it look pretty crowd. However, I also think the ASCII/text fight will be won, not on the desktop, but where more mail is soon to be flowing that is via cell phones, PDAs, and the like. But I also agree that a wonderful idea would be to have an option to decode the HTML on the fly as it comes in, of course that would probably require a whole new text engine. In the meantime, people can use the existing AppleScript's as a band-aid. Wayne -- Nature can survive without man--in fact, that may be its salvation--but man cannot survive without nature. - Homero Aridjis Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: 54-40 Secret : Goodbye Flatland
Re: more html issues
Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 stated: This is not useful with international umlauts. Mikael: The only way we have been able (we being my soon to be former employer) to make this work 100% of the time is by using UTF-8. Of course as Hiroaki will point out, UTF-8 is far from perfect too. Wayne -- sans la Musique la Vie serait une Erreur Without music, life would be a mistake. - Friedrich Nietzsche Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: 54-40 Secret : Goodbye Flatland
Re: more html issues
On 29 6 2004 at 7:22 am -0400, Mikael Byström wrote: HTML/XML mail or similar will sooner or later supersede the pure text messages of today, no matter what PM users think about it. Not without one helluva fight, it won't... (and we PM users are not exclusive with this opinion) Of course, the idea of Microsoft or AOL buying the IETF is not all that far-fetched I suppose. -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: more html issues
Jeffrey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If that's how you want your email, you probably need to use a different program This is not a useful response. I absolutely hate it when some people respond to a problem like that. The user can't be blaimed for the format of mail that is sent to him/her. If HTML encoded inoming mail should be second class citizens in PM, then PM should have the option to automatically decode the message to clear text, built-in or come with the appropriate scripts and software ready to use. That such are downloadable is not enough. HTML/XML mail or similar will sooner or later supersede the pure text messages of today, no matter what PM users think about it. Personally, however, I prefer pure text. PM 5.0 | OS X 10.3.4 | Powerbook G4/400 | 768 MB RAM | 30 GB HD
Re: can't send mail
John R. Hopper wrote: When trying to send a message, a dialog box saying A file error occurred, clicking on more info shows Class=file; what=100; when=1; err=-50. This happens twice before being returned to message compose window. This is a file related problem, but I don't see exactly what. Is she trying to send an attachment? If so, with what encoding/ compression? What's the attachment name? Check the write permissions in the Temp Outgoing folder, into her PowerMail user folder. Is there some temporary files there? Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - There's a reason Mac users from different countries have chosen this very good program. 1) It just works. 2) It's not bloated like some other mail applications. 3) And it's better than Mail, the program that comes with OS X. Honest. Would I recommend PowerMail? Definitely. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: SpamSieve not found
At least it works for me how many copies of SpamSieve you have on your Mac. I think it should be only 1. All the best Matthias --- schmidt-systemdevelopment http://www.schmidt-system.com iChat/AIM: MatKoyasan Tel. +31-736-56-3905 --- Am/On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:25:24 +0200 schrieb/wrote Rene Merz: Am 29.6.2004 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: Put SpamSieve to the Application Folder. That should work ... All the best Matthias It does definitly not! Different to PM 5.0 Since PM 5.01, the program is allways (means: once after mounting) asking where SpamSieve is. Seems to be a bug.
Re: Annoyances with views and attachments
On 28/06/2004 at 8:27 PM I saw cheshirekat type: This message is about the Views menu and viewing options. First, shouldn't View Options... be listed right under the View All, View Unread and View Only... choices? No idea. Sounds like a good idea. Secondly, I prefer the 3 pane views of the Browser Layout because then I don't have PM message windows opening in different places and sizes. However, when viewing messages in either of the 3 pane views, I can't figure out a shortcut for Delete current viewed message and go to the previous or next message. If I double-click a message in the list, it opens in a separate window, and THEN I can use shortcuts for deleting and moving to the next message. Command-Delete will delete the current message and select the next/ previous message based on your preferences. Note: This may reflect the fact that I'm using 10.3.4 instead of 10.2.8 OS X. Also, when viewing messages in the 3-pane views, why are all the attachment options in FileAttachments always unavailable? It would be nice to right-click (sorry, control-click for those without multiple input device buttons) or select one of the menu options to act on the attachments of an incoming message without opening the message. This threw me at first. I regularly deal with a lot of attachments and thought maybe I was doing something different. I went back and checked, and I can access the attachment options via the contextual menu. Again, it may be partially an issue of OS versioning too. Is your mailserver IMAP or POP? Open attachment, Show in Finder and Move to Finder trash are the enabled choices. Is it possible to have these options available when in list view without resorting to the multiple-step process of opening the message and clicking in the attachment area? I'd also like to suggest one addition option to the contextual menu when dealing with attachments. For those attachments that have lost their connection, it would be nice if the contextual menu could offer the Reattach Lost Attachments functionality found in the script menu. It seems like the natural extension of the menu and location. Kename
Re: SpamSieve not found
Am 29.6.2004 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: Put SpamSieve to the Application Folder. That should work ... All the best Matthias It does definitly not! Different to PM 5.0 Since PM 5.01, the program is allways (means: once after mounting) asking where SpamSieve is. Seems to be a bug.
Re: SpamSieve not found
Put SpamSieve to the Application Folder. That should work ... All the best Matthias --- schmidt-systemdevelopment http://www.schmidt-system.com iChat/AIM: MatKoyasan Tel. +31-736-56-3905 --- Am/On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:43:59 +0200 schrieb/wrote Oliver Stiebing: Since Version 5.01 PM always ask for SpamSieve. After manually selecting from the 'Where is SpamSieve'-Window, it works. But after closing SpamSieve, PM ask again. SpamSieve is still placed in the unmodified PM-Folder. Greetings Oliver
SpamSieve not found
Since Version 5.01 PM always ask for SpamSieve. After manually selecting from the 'Where is SpamSieve'-Window, it works. But after closing SpamSieve, PM ask again. SpamSieve is still placed in the unmodified PM-Folder. Greetings Oliver
Re(3): can't send mail
[John R. Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 29.6.2004 um 7:20 Uhr:] Are there others out there using Powermail 5 and OS 10.2.8? Yes, me. Works perfectly. -- http://www.subhash.at
Re(2): can't send mail
Hi, we also have the same SMTP server, and it works for my accounts on that server. I just created an account for her email address on my powermail, and was able to send mail - tried it again from hers, and still no go. I then started up Powermail 4.2.1 on hers, created a new user environment and a new account with her email, and it worked. Are there others out there using Powermail 5 and OS 10.2.8? Nothing else is really different between our machines (except I have alot more junk installed on mine). It seems the only solution is to downgrade her Powermail. :( jrh Could be that a setting in 'Outgoing SMTP Server' needs changing. Have a word with your ISP. Brian Jacobs Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:23:48 +0200 John R. Hopper wrote: I hope someone can help - my wife can't send mail from Powermail anymore (powermail version is 5.0.1). I really don't understand. I suspected a corrupted database problem, but we tried creating a new user environment and re-entered the account information and powermail still can't send mail. She has the same mail server I have (though a different account) and can recieve mail normally. The only difference is that my computer is OS 10.3.4 and her computer is OS 10.2.8 (I don't want to upgrade it to panther because there is a problem with printing to an airport base station printer under panther and it's good to have one computer that can print normally). When trying to send a message, a dialog box saying A file error occurred, clicking on more info shows Class=file; what=100; when=1; err=-50. This happens twice before being returned to message compose window. How can we get her Powermail to send mail again? John R. Hopper, Research Scientist IfM-GEOMAR/Leibniz-Institute for Marine Science Dynamics of the Crust and Mantle Research Division GEOMAR Geb. 8/C Wischhofstrasse 1-3 D-24148 Kiel, Germany Tel: +49 431 600 2325 Fax: +49 431 600 2922 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Annoyances with views and attachments
Howdy all! This message is about the Views menu and viewing options. First, shouldn't View Options... be listed right under the View All, View Unread and View Only... choices? Secondly, I prefer the 3 pane views of the Browser Layout because then I don't have PM message windows opening in different places and sizes. However, when viewing messages in either of the 3 pane views, I can't figure out a shortcut for Delete current viewed message and go to the previous or next message. If I double-click a message in the list, it opens in a separate window, and THEN I can use shortcuts for deleting and moving to the next message. In the Preferences, I can choose to Select next message after moving to trash in the General pane, but that's overall unusable because I often want to view or take action upon just one message in the middle of a list of UNread messages, and deleting that message then chooses the next message and marks it as read. Or, when I have to stop reading messages to go do something, I have to undo the mark as read action so I know what messages I haven't yet read when I return to that mailbox. I've been trying numerous shortcuts - have I missed these? Also, when viewing messages in the 3-pane views, why are all the attachment options in FileAttachments always unavailable? It would be nice to right-click (sorry, control-click for those without multiple input device buttons) or select one of the menu options to act on the attachments of an incoming message without opening the message. If I open the message that has attachments in its own window and then select the sliver of a section for attachments, I then have a few options of what I can do with the attachments. Open attachment, Show in Finder and Move to Finder trash are the enabled choices. Is it possible to have these options available when in list view without resorting to the multiple-step process of opening the message and clicking in the attachment area? cheshirekat -- Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker (1920-1955), U.S. jazz musician. quoted in Children of Albion: Poetry of the Underground in Britain, Afterwords, sct. 3, ed. Michael Horovitz (1969). * 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *
Re: iPhoto cannot choose PM
I had already run the IPhoto Mailer Patcher version 2.0, but it still does not recognize PowerMail. I ran the Patcher again restoring iPhoto to its original state and then ran the Patcher again. Same problem. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan PowerMail discussions, Mon, Jun 28, 2004 -- Subject: Re: iPhoto cannot choose PM From: david.gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:35:05 +0100 Daniel Ross, SJ wrote on 28.06.04 at 05:47 +0800 I can no longer choose PM as the email application in iPhoto You need iPhoto Mailer Patcher What is it? iPhoto Mailer Patcher is a hack for Apple iPhoto. iPhoto 2.0 brings the ability to send pictures with America Online, Eudora, Mail and Microsoft Entourage. iPhoto Mailer Patcher adds support for Claris Emailer, Mailsmith, Outlook Express, PowerMail and QuickMail Pro. System requirements iPhoto Mailer Patcher 2.0 requires iPhoto version 2.0. A version for iPhoto 1.1.1 is available at http://homepage.mac.com/jacksim/software/. How much is it? iPhoto Mailer Patcher is free. -- david.gordon
Re(2): Filter not working ?
yes, correct. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - make sure that 'stop applying filter...' checkbox is enabled - if not, it will just continue down the filter list. ---marlyse Thanks Marlyse. Er, the window says: .Don't apply subsequent filters to this message. So that should be checked, right? Cheers, Cotty
Re: can't send mail
Could be that a setting in 'Outgoing SMTP Server' needs changing. Have a word with your ISP. Brian Jacobs Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:23:48 +0200 John R. Hopper wrote: I hope someone can help - my wife can't send mail from Powermail anymore (powermail version is 5.0.1). I really don't understand. I suspected a corrupted database problem, but we tried creating a new user environment and re-entered the account information and powermail still can't send mail. She has the same mail server I have (though a different account) and can recieve mail normally. The only difference is that my computer is OS 10.3.4 and her computer is OS 10.2.8 (I don't want to upgrade it to panther because there is a problem with printing to an airport base station printer under panther and it's good to have one computer that can print normally). When trying to send a message, a dialog box saying A file error occurred, clicking on more info shows Class=file; what=100; when=1; err=-50. This happens twice before being returned to message compose window. How can we get her Powermail to send mail again? John R. Hopper, Research Scientist IfM-GEOMAR/Leibniz-Institute for Marine Science Dynamics of the Crust and Mantle Research Division GEOMAR Geb. 8/C Wischhofstrasse 1-3 D-24148 Kiel, Germany Tel: +49 431 600 2325 Fax: +49 431 600 2922 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Filter not working ?
1. The order in which the filters are applied. Yes, Midi Cox wins tonight's star prize!! Bingo. Thanks so much for pointing that out - and indeed to all the rest who kindly replied. It's working fine now! :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: inconsistency with addresses
On 28/06/2004 at 2:18 PM I saw cheshirekat type: That tiny and easy to overlook dot (eyeball?) that is for searching the PM address book should be changed. Every time I end up in the PM address book, I'm looking all over for a search trigger. There is a lot of space next to the To, CC, and BCC buttons, and I do literally mean a LOT of room for a visually acute FIND button. Some people don't have perfect vision and that tiny thing looks like a smudge - be considerate of those with visual impairments. In Mac OS X 10.3.x it is 'fixed' as it were... The PM address book has a rather large, standardized search field. Kename
Re: Filter not working ?
make sure that 'stop applying filter...' checkbox is enabled - if not, it will just continue down the filter list. ---marlyse Thanks Marlyse. Er, the window says: .Don't apply subsequent filters to this message. So that should be checked, right? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
