Re(3): Import Failures

[Olaf Dr]

I have been using CCC as my standard procedure for backing up my
PowerBook (12"/867GHz/80GB) for quite some time now (over a year? backup
every week or so). I also used it to transfer my system to a white iBook
14" as I my PowerBook needed repair (and transfered the system back the
same way). For backup, I use an external 200 GB hard disk which holds up
to three versions of my internal HD. For transferring systems I connect
the target machine by FireWire and start it in target mode - it then
shows up as a hard disk, and can transfer my system directly (after
erasing the target hard disk - make sure you do not erase something
important).

One tip that may once in a while be needed:
in one instance I could not boot the target machine (iBook), don't know
exactly why... Nevertheless, I simply used the copied system on the
target machine from the source PowerBook, i.e. connect target machine in
target mode, set its internal disk to be the start disk for my source
PowerBook, and booted the source PowerBook while the target machine was
still connected in target mode. That worked, and after booting the target
system once form the source machine, I could also boot the target machine
directly.

Olaf

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:57:49 +0300

>Would CCC help transferring a set-up from one PB to another? I will soon
>have to move everything to a new PB, and while many things are relatively
>straightforward, there are also things which will need a lot of time if I
>have to install them all from scratch again (those apps which have files
>installed outside the app folder, especially TeX).
>
>FYI, I am using Retrospect Express which preserves previous back-ups.
>This saved me when a database had been corrupted for over a week (as a
>result of restarting), and the latest back-up turned out to be worthless.
>A complete back-up overwrite would have left me in the cold. RE is not
>the most intuitive piece of software around, but solid.
>
>willem
>
>
>1:21 am Monday, June 7, 2004 cheshirekat cheshirekat sent the following
>message:
>
>>On Mon, Jun 7, 200410:04 PM, the following words from Stephane Terreaux
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...
>>
>>>Le 7/06/04 à 13:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>>>
I'm curious because I'm
getting ready to reformat my internal hard drive now that my new external
backup drive has finally arrived, so I want to be sure to backup
everything required.
>>>
>>>I suggest you have a look at Carbon Copy cloner
>>>
>>>
>>>With this software, and with a comfortable external drive, you don't have
>>>to think much about what you need to backup ...
>>
>>I was considering CCC until I heard about a few glitches on other mailing
>>lists that I'm not comfortable with encountering. One major glitch is
>>that someone didn't have enough space on their backup disk and CCC didn't
>>check for this prior to starting the backup. When the backup erred
>>because CCC filled the drive as much as possible, there wasn't enough
>>room for the user to access anything on that drive without errors. (I
>>don't recall whether they were able to use another utility to salvage the
>>data on that drive.) I shouldn't have that problem with my new backup
>>drive since it is empty and twice the size of my internal drive, but it
>>is a glitch that combined with other things I've heard about CCC makes me
>>choose to stay away, at least for now.
>>
>>I'm trying out Apple's Backup application and LaCie''s SilverKeeper
>>application. The Backup log shows that Backup didn't have any problems
>>copying over all my PM files and preferences. Although I'm not sure I
>>want to rely on a proprietary format backup to get to stuff on my backup
>>drive. But some folders can't be copied directly to my external without
>>errors related to invisible files. This was much easier to do with OS 7-
>>9, IME. I may still use a combination of backup software and AppleScripts.
>>
>>--
>>Music is the sole art which evokes nostalgia for the future.
>>- Ned Rorem
>>
>>* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re(2): Import Failures

[smelik]

Would CCC help transferring a set-up from one PB to another? I will soon
have to move everything to a new PB, and while many things are relatively
straightforward, there are also things which will need a lot of time if I
have to install them all from scratch again (those apps which have files
installed outside the app folder, especially TeX).

FYI, I am using Retrospect Express which preserves previous back-ups.
This saved me when a database had been corrupted for over a week (as a
result of restarting), and the latest back-up turned out to be worthless.
A complete back-up overwrite would have left me in the cold. RE is not
the most intuitive piece of software around, but solid.

willem

1:21 am Monday, June 7, 2004 cheshirekat cheshirekat sent the following
message:

>On Mon, Jun 7, 200410:04 PM, the following words from Stephane Terreaux
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...
>
>>Le 7/06/04 à 13:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>>
>>>I'm curious because I'm
>>>getting ready to reformat my internal hard drive now that my new external
>>>backup drive has finally arrived, so I want to be sure to backup
>>>everything required.
>>
>>I suggest you have a look at Carbon Copy cloner
>>
>>
>>With this software, and with a comfortable external drive, you don't have
>>to think much about what you need to backup ...
>
>I was considering CCC until I heard about a few glitches on other mailing
>lists that I'm not comfortable with encountering. One major glitch is
>that someone didn't have enough space on their backup disk and CCC didn't
>check for this prior to starting the backup. When the backup erred
>because CCC filled the drive as much as possible, there wasn't enough
>room for the user to access anything on that drive without errors. (I
>don't recall whether they were able to use another utility to salvage the
>data on that drive.) I shouldn't have that problem with my new backup
>drive since it is empty and twice the size of my internal drive, but it
>is a glitch that combined with other things I've heard about CCC makes me
>choose to stay away, at least for now.
>
>I'm trying out Apple's Backup application and LaCie''s SilverKeeper
>application. The Backup log shows that Backup didn't have any problems
>copying over all my PM files and preferences. Although I'm not sure I
>want to rely on a proprietary format backup to get to stuff on my backup
>drive. But some folders can't be copied directly to my external without
>errors related to invisible files. This was much easier to do with OS 7-
>9, IME. I may still use a combination of backup software and AppleScripts.
>
>--
>Music is the sole art which evokes nostalgia for the future.
>- Ned Rorem
>
>* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *
>
>

Re: Import Failures

[cheshirekat]

On Mon, Jun 7, 200410:04 PM, the following words from Stephane Terreaux
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...

>Le 7/06/04 à 13:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>
>>I'm curious because I'm
>>getting ready to reformat my internal hard drive now that my new external
>>backup drive has finally arrived, so I want to be sure to backup
>>everything required.
>
>I suggest you have a look at Carbon Copy cloner
>
>
>With this software, and with a comfortable external drive, you don't have
>to think much about what you need to backup ...

I was considering CCC until I heard about a few glitches on other mailing
lists that I'm not comfortable with encountering. One major glitch is
that someone didn't have enough space on their backup disk and CCC didn't
check for this prior to starting the backup. When the backup erred
because CCC filled the drive as much as possible, there wasn't enough
room for the user to access anything on that drive without errors. (I
don't recall whether they were able to use another utility to salvage the
data on that drive.) I shouldn't have that problem with my new backup
drive since it is empty and twice the size of my internal drive, but it
is a glitch that combined with other things I've heard about CCC makes me
choose to stay away, at least for now.

I'm trying out Apple's Backup application and LaCie''s SilverKeeper
application. The Backup log shows that Backup didn't have any problems
copying over all my PM files and preferences. Although I'm not sure I
want to rely on a proprietary format backup to get to stuff on my backup
drive. But some folders can't be copied directly to my external without
errors related to invisible files. This was much easier to do with OS 7-
9, IME. I may still use a combination of backup software and AppleScripts.

--
Music is the sole art which evokes nostalgia for the future.
- Ned Rorem

* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *

Re: Import Failures

[Stephane Terreaux]

Le 7/06/04 à 13:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

>I'm curious because I'm
>getting ready to reformat my internal hard drive now that my new external
>backup drive has finally arrived, so I want to be sure to backup
>everything required.

I suggest you have a look at Carbon Copy cloner


With this software, and with a comfortable external drive, you don't have
to think much about what you need to backup ...

Stéphane.

Re: Import Failures

[cheshirekat]

On Mon, Jun 7, 20044:15 PM, the following words from Mikael Byström
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...

>>If you're the one and only user of PM on your Mac, place this folder into
>>the "PowerMail"-program-folder (if there would be an other one with the
>>same name, first delete this one).
>
>One should NEVER put data files along the application. What if you update
>the application and have forgotten where your data is? I even keep all my
>user files on a separate partition to further separate OS, apps and
>production data. Also makes it a lot easier to knwo what folders need
>backing up.

I agree that user data files should not be placed in the same folder as
the application - in most cases. There are a few occasions that have
warranted this prior to OS X, but I don't see the need in OS X. It's not
a good situation to be in when a new version of an application creates a
new install folder and deletes the old folder without warning. It's
always best to assume that the developer's installer won't be as cautious
about saving your stuff as you'd like.

I once moved my "PowerMail Files" folder to my Documents folder for
easier backup as I always backup the entire Documents folder. I'm getting
ready to do that again. I think I made a duplicate of the folder in my
Documents folder, then chose the "Switch User Environment" option before
deleting the "PowerMail Files" folder in user/Mail/ - is this correct? Or
do I import the "PowerMail Files" folder that I move to my Documents folder?

Also, does anyone know specifically what the "PowerMail Prefs" file is
for in the preferences folder? I've made a backup copy of my PM key, but
haven't been saving this preference file when I do backups. I also
haven't yet needed to use one of my PowerMail backups, so I don't know
what PM would be lacking without that file. I'm curious because I'm
getting ready to reformat my internal hard drive now that my new external
backup drive has finally arrived, so I want to be sure to backup
everything required.
--
I think I should have no other mortal wants, if I could always have
plenty of music. It seems to infuse strength into my limbs and ideas into
my brain. Life seems to go on without effort, when I am filled with music.
- George Eliot (1819 - 1880)

* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *

Re: Import Failures

[Rene Merz]

Am 7.6.2004 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben:

>One should NEVER put data files along the application. What if you update
>the application and have forgotten where your data is?

I do NEVER forget it. ;-)
Because I collect that very special kind of data file allways with the
application to which it belongs.
(But, of course, I do not collect word-files in the word-application-
directory.)

Re: Import Failures

[Mikael Bystr]

Rene, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Usually you'll find it here: user/documents
"user/Mail" is more likely actually.

>If you're the one and only user of PM on your Mac, place this folder into
>the "PowerMail"-program-folder (if there would be an other one with the
>same name, first delete this one).

One should NEVER put data files along the application. What if you update
the application and have forgotten where your data is? I even keep all my
user files on a separate partition to further separate OS, apps and
production data. Also makes it a lot easier to knwo what folders need
backing up.

PM 5.0 | OS X 10.3.4 | Powerbook G4/400 | 384 MB RAM | 30 GB HD

Re: Import Failures

[Rene Merz]

Am 6.6.2004 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben:

>I am finding that I am unable to import large numbers of files in PM5;
>has anyone attempted this, and if so with what results?
>
>What I am trying to do is take some of my older messages and put them in
>a new user environment (ie, DB) for searching as needed (mainly to get
>rid of false hits).
>
>The steps I took were:
>
>1. Select folders to export
>
>2. Export in PowerMail exchange format
>
>3. Create new DB (user environment)
>
>4. Import:
>
>Trying to import an entire folder (top option) results in an error
>after the first file has been processed.
>
>Trying to import the files one at a time causes PM5 to crash after
>about the 6th file.
>
>
>Also, I thought PM was supposed to export a folder and all of it's
>subfolders when exporting... but I only get the top folder. Is this
>correct? If so, it's an oversight that should be corrected. Having to
>select a few hundred folders individually is a real pain.

I guess you're speaking about exporting from PM 4, importing to PM 5?

The most easiest way is:
Look for the directory "PowerMail Files" on your harddisk.
Usually you'll find it here: user/documents
If you're the one and only user of PM on your Mac, place this folder into
the "PowerMail"-program-folder (if there would be an other one with the
same name, first delete this one).
If there are several users, drag the "PowerMail Files"-Folder icon on the
"PowerMail"-program-icon, so that PM can learn where this folder is.

Now you'll have not only all your mails, but also accounts and filters at
your disposition in PM 5

Re: Import Failures

[Matthias Schmidt]

Hello,

I did it the other way.
Copied my database, renamed it and opened it with changing user environment.
Then I deleted all those things which I didn't want to have in my archive.
And then I compacted the database.
The same I did with my current database, here I just deleted everything
what went to the archieve.
Yes, there are many ways to Rome :-)

But I agree, exporting and importing with the PM Format should work
without problems.

All the best

Matthias

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Am/On: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:09:48 +0200 schrieb/wrote: Lane Lane Roathe

>I am finding that I am unable to import large numbers of files in PM5;
>has anyone attempted this, and if so with what results?
>
>What I am trying to do is take some of my older messages and put them in
>a new user environment (ie, DB) for searching as needed (mainly to get
>rid of false hits).
>
>The steps I took were:
>
>1. Select folders to export
>
>2. Export in PowerMail exchange format
>
>3. Create new DB (user environment)
>
>4. Import:
>
>Trying to import an entire folder (top option) results in an error
>after the first file has been processed.
>
>Trying to import the files one at a time causes PM5 to crash after
>about the 6th file.
>
>Also, I thought PM was supposed to export a folder and all of it's
>subfolders when exporting... but I only get the top folder. Is this
>correct? If so, it's an oversight that should be corrected. Having to
>select a few hundred folders individually is a real pain.

Import Failures

[Lane Roathe]

I am finding that I am unable to import large numbers of files in PM5;
has anyone attempted this, and if so with what results?

What I am trying to do is take some of my older messages and put them in
a new user environment (ie, DB) for searching as needed (mainly to get
rid of false hits).

The steps I took were:

1. Select folders to export

2. Export in PowerMail exchange format

3. Create new DB (user environment)

4. Import:

Trying to import an entire folder (top option) results in an error
after the first file has been processed.

Trying to import the files one at a time causes PM5 to crash after
about the 6th file.

Also, I thought PM was supposed to export a folder and all of it's
subfolders when exporting... but I only get the top folder. Is this
correct? If so, it's an oversight that should be corrected. Having to
select a few hundred folders individually is a real pain.

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