Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-23 Thread david.gordon

Gerald F. Carroll wrote on Thu 22 Apr 2004 at 16:59 -0500

The HAND on mine works no matter where i grab the border with it. 

Yes it does. My point was that it shouldn't be a hand at all but a double
headed arrow. And that the wee arrow thing is annoying as it keeps
catching my eye especially when reading a message.

The icons will take remembering again, i only wish they were a little
darker. They seem sort of washed out.

That's a fair point. I have mine set to small size with text so I don't
have to keep wondering about the fly ;) None of the folder graphics have
changed though. The In Tray and Out Tray now look odd and dated.

-- 
david.gordon




Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-23 Thread Nick Quinn's list address

david.gordon,

Thus spoke david.gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, 22 April 2004
at 7:49 PM +1000:

 I'll probably turn off the icons - just like I did in PM 4.

I tried, then lost the view only entry box, oops

hf,

Nick Quinn
Sunshine Beach Software in OZ




Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-23 Thread Gerald F. Carroll

The HAND on mine works no matter where i grab the border with it. 

The icons will take remembering again, i only wish they were a little
darker. They seem sort of washed out. When you are composing a letter
they are much better.

Gerry

In three pane mode...

There are two funny wee arrow things for resizing the window ratios. They
are horid. I keep trying to clean them off my screen. I find the one
between the folder list and my message pane a real pain.

And anyway, when I mouse over it my mouse becomes a hand. I would expect
it to become a double arrow -|- as the only way to move the borders in
up/down or left/right. You can't 'grab' the border and move it _anywhere_.

The arrows on the border aren't really required - are they.

I must say I'm not that impressed by the new icons in the toolbars. Take
for example the Mark as Spam. Is that a fly? What has a fly got to do
with spam? And Mark as Good doesn't follow the theme (or vis versa).
I'm not sure Reply, Forward or Redirect are clear either. I'll
probably turn off the icons - just like I did in PM 4.

I was actually expecting more from PM 5. So far I haven't found anything
really different from PM 4. I already have SpamSieve and that worked
seamlessly once set up. I haven't found that wow that I felt when
FoxTrot searching was introduced. I guess I'm committed now and I will
pay for the upgrade but I don't think its good value. It doesn't feel
like a full version upgrade to me so far.

-- 
david.gordon




-- 
The faster the computer
The more impatient the user.




Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-22 Thread Richard Hart

David Gordon wrote:

I must say I'm not that impressed by the new icons in 
the toolbars. Take for example the Mark as Spam. 
Is that a fly? What has a fly got to do with spam? And 
Mark as Good doesn't follow the theme (or vis versa).
I'm not sure Reply, Forward or Redirect are clear 
either.

I disagree. I LIKE the new icons. They make perfect sense.

Scott T. Hards wrote:

Frankly, I found the fly to be obvious and intuitive.
I mean, what are flies attracted to the most, right?

I agree.

I'll agree that the difference between forward and 
redirect is not obvious.  That's best done with a
tail of some kind on the arrows.  Forward could be 
a straight arrow pointed right, while the redirect 
arrow could look like a ricochet bouncing off the 
letter icon.

I disagree. A ricochet means the mail bounced.
I believe the forward and redirect icon are better and
more meaningful than any I've seen on email clients
so far.

Keep the new icons!

Richard Hart




Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-22 Thread Anthony Sanna

I mean, what are flies attracted to the most, right?

Spam, of course!

Tony
-- 
Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, WI  53562

1-800-373-7226
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Re: PM 5 icons and some observations

2004-04-22 Thread Scott at HobbyLink Japan

Is that a fly? What has a fly got to do
with spam? And Mark as Good doesn't follow the theme (or vis versa).
I'm not sure Reply, Forward or Redirect are clear either. I'll
probably turn off the icons - just like I did in PM 4.

Allow me to disagree with these observations.  Frankly, I found the fly
to be obvious and intuitive.  I mean, what are flies attracted to the
most, right?

I've already commented on the arrows.  I'll agree that the difference
between forward and redirect is not obvious.  That's best done with a
tail of some kind on the arrows.  Forward could be a straight arrow
pointed right, while the redirect arrow could look like a ricochet
bouncing off the letter icon.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)