RE: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Dave Crozier]

To John Harvey,

John, every time I send you a personal email I get it returned as not at
this address. I've tried to send you the VFP Organiser updates 3 times now
so could you check your ISP? I get you email as john.harvey at shelbynet.com

Dave Crozier

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:53:30 -0400
  "Alan Lukachko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>Of Bill Arnold
>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:04 PM
>To: 'ProFox Email List'
>Subject: RE: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure
>
>
> 
>
> 
>>> With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee 
>>> spilled on them, I'd emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy 
>>> water. Rinse with clean water and use a hair dryer to dry off 
>>> the water. Keyboard back to normal.
>
>
>>Have you done this? I tried it once and it didn't work. 
>
>Did it twice for clients and once for my wife and once when I spilled beer
>on the keyboard. Waste of beer!!! 
>
>Last keyboard I washed was 7 years ago.
>
>Cardinal rule - No drinks near keyboards.
>
>Haven't had a reoccurrence since 
>
>
>
the problem is - this is a Laptop Keyboard.  You can't immerse that sucker 
without having a little problem or two!


John 


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RE: Report preview / print

[Rick Schummer]

If you are talking about generating a "quick report" or on-the-fly report 
without user
interaction you can use the following syntax:

CREATE REPORT FileName | ? FROM Source [FORM | COLUMN]
 [FIELDS FieldList] [ALIAS] [NOOVERWRITE] [WIDTH nColumns]

The FORM will build a report with fields stacked in the detail band, and the 
COLUMN
setting will generate a columnar report.

Rick
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Hello,
I am trying to create a generic report preview / print form in VFP9.

Has anyone done this and willing to share before I start mine?

Thanks,
Kent



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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[MB Software Solutions]

Ken Kixmoeller (j/s) wrote:

I will lend you Mr. Boko, my children's lovebird. When he escapes, he  
likes to peck at the keyboard of my wife's laptop. One time he  
loosened 15-20 keys. I'm sure he'd do the same for you. I haven't  
asked him what his rates are.


http://information-architecture.com/KOFamily/P5230832.jpg.php (he's  
prettier than that now)




Great photos, Ken!  I see you've started dabbling with PHP, too!


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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[john.harvey]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:53:30 -0400
 "Alan Lukachko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee 
spilled on them, I'd emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy 
water. Rinse with clean water and use a hair dryer to dry off 
the water. Keyboard back to normal.



Have you done this? I tried it once and it didn't work. 


Did it twice for clients and once for my wife and once when I spilled beer
on the keyboard. Waste of beer!!! 


Last keyboard I washed was 7 years ago.

Cardinal rule - No drinks near keyboards.

Haven't had a reoccurrence since 




the problem is - this is a Laptop Keyboard.  You can't immerse that sucker 
without having a little problem or two!



John 



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RE: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Alan Lukachko]

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>> With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee 
>> spilled on them, I'd emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy 
>> water. Rinse with clean water and use a hair dryer to dry off 
>> the water. Keyboard back to normal.


>Have you done this? I tried it once and it didn't work. 

Did it twice for clients and once for my wife and once when I spilled beer
on the keyboard. Waste of beer!!! 

Last keyboard I washed was 7 years ago.

Cardinal rule - No drinks near keyboards.

Haven't had a reoccurrence since 






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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[john.harvey]

Yep, pop the keys at one end of the keyboard, then hit the other end with 
canned air.


John


On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:48:23 -0400
 "Alan Lukachko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I had a similar problem on my Toshiba with the 's' key. I gently pried up
the key and found a small piece of plastic preventing the key from fully
depressing. Once the plastic was removed, the key worked as normal.

You may also want to try (with the laptop powered off) shaking the laptop
from side to side and upside down to see if something is lodged under the
key and if loose may drop out.

If it's something sticky or gooy, you'll have to remove the key and
hopefully with a mild dishwasher solution remove the sticky substance. Rinse
with clean water and make sure all water is removed before powering up.

With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee spilled on them, I'd
emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy water. Rinse with clean water and
use a hair dryer to dry off the water. Keyboard back to normal.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MB Software Solutions
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:08 PM
To: Profox
Subject: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 years old) 
appears to be fine. 

My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard as it sets.  
Other tips or suggestions?


tia,
--Michael

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MB Software Solutions, LLC
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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Ken Kixmoeller (j/s)]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:07 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:


Other tips or suggestions?


I will lend you Mr. Boko, my children's lovebird. When he escapes, he  
likes to peck at the keyboard of my wife's laptop. One time he  
loosened 15-20 keys. I'm sure he'd do the same for you. I haven't  
asked him what his rates are.


http://information-architecture.com/KOFamily/P5230832.jpg.php (he's  
prettier than that now)


Ken



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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[MB Software Solutions]

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:


MB Software Solutions wrote:

I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 years 
old) appears to be fine.
My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard as it 
sets.  Other tips or suggestions?



2. Use an asterisk to begin a comment on its own line, instead of 
using the && as the comment character inline. You know that Ed Esber 
invented the && character string, making it inherently evil.


That's exactly the case here.  I have a bad habit of always doing 
comments on the line instead of a line above the block of code!



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--- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > This shows you the result of allowing bushco to steal the last two 
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> > http://www.yesoncleanenergy.com/downloads/pumps_8.swf
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Re: [NF] [Fwd: Follow up - File Error Notification]

[MB Software Solutions]

Ed Leafe wrote:

On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:09 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account  
wrote:



Anyone else receive this?  It is crap, right?



Didn't receive it, but it sure smells like crap.



Thank goodness that "Smellovision" never came to be with computers!!!  

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Re: [NF] -- Most Microsoft Workers Search With Google

[MB Software Solutions]

Bill Anderson wrote:



"An overwhelming majority of Microsoft employees use rival Google to 
search the Internet, bloggers and a Web metrics company claimed Tuesday.


Andrew Hitchcock, a 20-year-old student at the University of 
Washington, got the ball rolling by posting Google Analytics 
statistics on visitors to his Web site. Of the users originating from 
Microsoft's domain who reached Hitchcock's site via a search engine, 
80 percent came through Google. Only 20 percent used a Microsoft 
search engine (either MSN's or the Live.com's)."


 





Wasn't there a hilarious graphic/cartoon that featured Bill Gates and 
Steve Ballmer, with BG posing a question about how to do something to 
thwart competition and Ballmer saying that he'd research it on Google?  
Someone posted it here awhile back...hilarious!


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RE: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Bill Arnold]

 
> I had a similar problem on my Toshiba with the 's' key. I 
> gently pried up the key and found a small piece of plastic 
> preventing the key from fully depressing. Once the plastic 
> was removed, the key worked as normal.
> 
> You may also want to try (with the laptop powered off) 
> shaking the laptop from side to side and upside down to see 
> if something is lodged under the key and if loose may drop out.
> 
> If it's something sticky or gooy, you'll have to remove the 
> key and hopefully with a mild dishwasher solution remove the 
> sticky substance. Rinse with clean water and make sure all 
> water is removed before powering up.


I've had some success with above

 
> With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee 
> spilled on them, I'd emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy 
> water. Rinse with clean water and use a hair dryer to dry off 
> the water. Keyboard back to normal.


Have you done this? I tried it once and it didn't work. 



Bill


> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of MB Software 
> Solutions
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:08 PM
> To: Profox
> Subject: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure
> 
> I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
> responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 
> years old) 
> appears to be fine. 
> 
> My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard 
> as it sets.  
> Other tips or suggestions?
> 
> tia,
> --Michael
> 
> -- 
> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
> MB Software Solutions, LLC
> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
> http://fabmate.com
> "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software 
> solutions!" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 years old) 
appears to be fine.
My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard as it sets.  
Other tips or suggestions?


1. Shorter sentences.

Stop concatenating thoughts with the "&" sign, & break them into two 
separate sentences.


2. Use an asterisk to begin a comment on its own line, instead of using 
the && as the comment character inline. You know that Ed Esber invented 
the && character string, making it inherently evil.


& never begin a sentence with an "&". Bad grammir & no need for it.

W&il



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RE: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[Alan Lukachko]

I had a similar problem on my Toshiba with the 's' key. I gently pried up
the key and found a small piece of plastic preventing the key from fully
depressing. Once the plastic was removed, the key worked as normal.

You may also want to try (with the laptop powered off) shaking the laptop
from side to side and upside down to see if something is lodged under the
key and if loose may drop out.

If it's something sticky or gooy, you'll have to remove the key and
hopefully with a mild dishwasher solution remove the sticky substance. Rinse
with clean water and make sure all water is removed before powering up.

With desktop keyboards that had a soft drink or coffee spilled on them, I'd
emerse the whole keyboard in warm soapy water. Rinse with clean water and
use a hair dryer to dry off the water. Keyboard back to normal.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MB Software Solutions
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:08 PM
To: Profox
Subject: [NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 years old) 
appears to be fine. 

My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard as it sets.  
Other tips or suggestions?

tia,
--Michael

-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> How about asking the accountant?  They often offer discounts 
> to people with accounts packages they can use as it makes there job a 
> lot easier.
> 
> The new MS SBA 2007 offering looks quite good so far.


Just took a look at SBA. It does look good. Says it competes with
QuickBooks and Peachtree, and it's only $149 (with licensing caveats) to
install on 2 machines.
http://www.microsoft.com/office/accounting/howtobuy/default.mspx

I don't see any mention of POS there, though.


Bill



 
> Michael Hawksworth
> Visual Fox Solutions
> 
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Re: Path resolution at design and run time

[Steve Ellenoff]

I've never dealt with logos on my reports so I don't know if this 
would work, but what if you stored the bitmap data in a database, and 
copy out to the expected filename when you run the report. So for 
example, the report would reference a bitmap called logo.bmp. In the 
database you would have the contents of the each company's logo.bmp 
stored. When you run the report, create the logo.bmp from the 
database, overwritting each time as necessary. For multi-user 
situations, you'd have to work it out so that the report was looking 
on the local drive or something, but I'm sure you can make it work 
(well at least I think so). Come to think of it, can't you just use a 
general field? I've not used one in years, so my memory is rusty on it..



For smaller files, common across the application, that'll be fine 
and dandy.  But what about custom graphics (e.g., in a vertical 
niche app where you customize the client's reports to have their 
logo in them)?  I create reports with the client's name (e.g., 
"AcmeJobReport.frx", "ABCJobReport.frx") and then use meta-data to 
reference in my app.  It'd be great for me if I could have just ONE 
report called Report.Frx that just had a placemarker for the logo 
(allbeit perhaps not always named the same) but I never invested the 
extra time to figure out how to do this in the Report 
Designer.  Perhaps some kind soul could tell me?

"Oh, it's easyjust do this: ..."

;-)

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[NF] -- Most Microsoft Workers Search With Google

[Bill Anderson]

"An overwhelming majority of Microsoft employees use rival Google to 
search the Internet, bloggers and a Web metrics company claimed Tuesday.


Andrew Hitchcock, a 20-year-old student at the University of Washington, 
got the ball rolling by posting Google Analytics statistics on visitors 
to his Web site. Of the users originating from Microsoft's domain who 
reached Hitchcock's site via a search engine, 80 percent came through 
Google. Only 20 percent used a Microsoft search engine (either MSN's or 
the Live.com's)."






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Re: Path resolution at design and run time

[MB Software Solutions]

MB Software Solutions wrote:

For smaller files, common across the application, that'll be fine and 
dandy.  But what about custom graphics (e.g., in a vertical niche app 
where you customize the client's reports to have their logo in them)?  
I create reports with the client's name (e.g., "AcmeJobReport.frx", 
"ABCJobReport.frx") and then use meta-data to reference in my app.  
It'd be great for me if I could have just ONE report called Report.Frx 
that just had a placemarker for the logo (allbeit perhaps not always 
named the same) but I never invested the extra time to figure out how 
to do this in the Report Designer.  Perhaps some kind soul could tell 
me?  "Oh, it's easyjust do this: ..."



Let me add that not everyone's logo is the same size/dimensions, so 
currently I'm manually resizing as needed in each one's report.  (yuck).


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Re: [NF] [Fwd: Follow up - File Error Notification]

[Ed Leafe]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:09 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account  
wrote:



Anyone else receive this?  It is crap, right?


Didn't receive it, but it sure smells like crap.

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Re: [OT] -- Conservative Humor

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Bill Anderson wrote:







Whacked!



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[OT] Another benefit from the Oiligarchy

[Chet Gardiner]

This shows you the result of allowing bushco to steal the last two 
pres. elections...


http://www.yesoncleanenergy.com/downloads/pumps_8.swf




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Re: Another benefit from the Oiligarchy

[Chet Gardiner]

Sorry, meant to send OT

Chet Gardiner wrote:

This shows you the result of allowing bushco to steal the last two 
pres. elections...


http://www.yesoncleanenergy.com/downloads/pumps_8.swf




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Another benefit from the Oiligarchy

[Chet Gardiner]

This shows you the result of allowing bushco to steal the last two pres. 
elections...


http://www.yesoncleanenergy.com/downloads/pumps_8.swf


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[NF] Laptop keyboard showing signs of failure

[MB Software Solutions]

I must comment too much.The '&' key is starting to stop 
responding.  The rest of the laptop (Dell Inspiron 5100 -- 3 years old) 
appears to be fine. 

My thought is to get a can of air and blow out the keyboard as it sets.  
Other tips or suggestions?


tia,
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Re: tab order question

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Charlie Coleman wrote:


At 11:56 AM 6/22/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote:


In the thisform.Show method, put the Setfocus command:

For example:

thisform.Show:
this.cboStartingObject.SetFocus



Wouldn't the Form's Activate Event be better? Just curious, I haven't 
used the Show method so I'm wondering if there is some advantage.



In Kent's example, he keeps the form active and just re-uses it when he 
needs it.  I do that with some screens in Fabmate too--when they're 
done, I do a .Hide on them, and so when I need them again, I test for 
the existence and if they exist, I simply skip the NewObject call; then 
the next command is to Show the form.  Here's a snippet from FabMate to 
demonstrate what I mean:


   IF VARTYPE(this.ofrmMaterial) <> "O" THEN && create form
   this.ofrmMaterial = 
NEWOBJECT("frmMaterial",".\classes\mjbeiw.vcx")

   ELSE && form already exists; just reset values
   this.ofrmMaterial.ResetValues()
   ENDIF && VARTYPE(this.ofrmMaterial) <> "O"
  
   llBatchMode = .t.

   llSaveChanges = .t.
   DO WHILE llBatchMode AND llSaveChanges
   WITH this.ofrmMaterial
   .cMode = "ADD"
   .cSKU = ""

   IF !EMPTY(vItems.cDescription) THEN
   .cItemDesc = ALLTRIM(vItems.cDescription)
   ENDIF && !EMPTY(vItems.cDescription)
   .txtDescription.SetFocus
   .Show()

   IF .lSaveChanges THEN
   
this.oBiz.AddMaterial(this.ofrmMaterial.oRecord,liJobID,liItem,liScopeID)

   * else don't bother as user cancelled or data was not valid
   ENDIF && .lSaveChanges
   .ResetValues()
   llBatchMode = .lBatchMode
   llSaveChanges = .lSaveChanges
   ENDWITH && this.ofrmMaterial   
   ENDDO && llBatchMode AND llSaveChanges


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Re: Report preview / print

[MB Software Solutions]

Kent Belan wrote:


Hello,
I am trying to create a generic report preview / print form in VFP9.

Has anyone done this and willing to share before I start mine?

Thanks,
Kent

 



Hi, Kent.

Here's the method I call (created from ProFox tips of the past):

PROCEDURE ShowReport(tcRpt as String, tcCaption as String, tlSkipPreview 
as Logical, tlSkipPrompt as Logical)
* mjb 01-24-05 using Fred Taylor's idea for showing report inside max 
window (courtesy ProFox archives)

* mjb 04-04-06 added tlSkipPreview and tlSkipPrompt clauses
   LOCAL loFrm as Form, loException as Exception
   CLEAR && mjb 04-12-06 get rid of any screen echos
   TRY
   IF !tlSkipPreview THEN
   loFrm = CREATEOBJECT("Form")
   WITH loFrm
   .Caption = tcCaption
   .WindowState = 2 && Maximized
   .Show()
   IF !tlSkipPrompt THEN
   REPORT FORM (tcRpt) TO PRINTER PROMPT NOCONSOLE 
PREVIEW WINDOW (.Name)

   ELSE
   REPORT FORM (tcRpt) TO PRINTER NOCONSOLE PREVIEW 
WINDOW (.Name)

   ENDIF && !tlSkipPrompt
   ENDWITH && loFrm
   loFrm.Release()
   ELSE && no preview window (form)
   IF !tlSkipPrompt THEN
   REPORT FORM (tcRpt) TO PRINTER PROMPT NOCONSOLE
   ELSE
   REPORT FORM (tcRpt) TO PRINTER NOCONSOLE
   ENDIF && !tlSkipPrompt
   ENDIF && !tlSkipPreview
  
   CATCH TO loException

   MESSAGEBOX(loException.Message,16,"Problem generating report.")
   ENDTRY
ENDPROC && ShowReport(tcRpt as String, tcCaption as String, 
tlSkipPreview as Logical, tlSkipPrompt as Logical)



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Re: Path resolution at design and run time

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Charlie Coleman wrote:

Just as a quick aside (in case someone didn't mention this already). 
If you include the file in the project and compile, the path name 
becomes irrelevant. For example, I include the image files in the 
project (under Other files). When I compile to an .exe, the target 
machine does not need to have the same dir structure as my dev machine 
in order to load the image.



For smaller files, common across the application, that'll be fine and 
dandy.  But what about custom graphics (e.g., in a vertical niche app 
where you customize the client's reports to have their logo in them)?  I 
create reports with the client's name (e.g., "AcmeJobReport.frx", 
"ABCJobReport.frx") and then use meta-data to reference in my app.  It'd 
be great for me if I could have just ONE report called Report.Frx that 
just had a placemarker for the logo (allbeit perhaps not always named 
the same) but I never invested the extra time to figure out how to do 
this in the Report Designer.  Perhaps some kind soul could tell me?  
"Oh, it's easyjust do this: ..."


;-)

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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> > If I were Intuit, I'd build an end-user customizable touch-screen 
> > product that allows a non-technical person (manager) to 
> layout touch 
> > screen displays. This way the manager and staff can get 
> involved and 
> > put the hours into deciding what needs to go where.
> 
> screw intuit and go with some pros in this industry.
 
http://www.capterra.com/restaurant-management-software  For a list of
all the players.


Thanks for the research, Stephen. I'll see what I can make of it. 


Bill



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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> > I'm keeping an eye out for canned solutions. As mentioned, I'm
highly 
> > skeptical about getting involved with any development work at all
for 
> > a single business. I see that approach as nothing but trouble.
> 
> I've had similar experiences. Businesses have to be *REALLY* 
> unique to need something other than what is off the shelf. 
> Mostly, businesses who insist they need a custom solution do 
> not understand what they are asking for, how much it will 
> cost (in money, their time and their effort and in long-term 
> support). At Blackstone, the hardest hurdle a client needed 
> to get over to engage with us was to convince us they needed 
> a custom solution. We convinced many to look into 
> off-the-shelf account, POS, inventory, ERP, CRM and MRP systems.

Yes. Of course that leads to making a determination which is the best of
the breed, and also most likely going to be around in 'n' years. Nothing
like recommending a product from a vendor who then disappears. 

On this note, I've checked to see what IBM has by way of POS systems for
small business, and did find something,
http://www.pc.ibm.com/store/products/pos/500/features.html but no
pricing (which I expect to be substantially higher than the competition,
as usual), so I called and left a message explaining what I'm interested
in and asking for a return call. If I learn anything of interest, I'll
post about it. 


> Restaurants are the business with the highest rate of 
> failure. One of the reasons for that is that there are few 
> business people starting them. Chefs and cooks may make great 
> food, but the business of running  a restaurant depends on 
> many other skills. Kind of like consulting depends on writing 
> great code, but a lot more.


I recall a friends-of-the-family related experience along these lines.
She was a super cook, so they opened a restaurant out in the Hamptons
(Long Island) ... lost a small fortune.

This guy has been around the block a few times and survived so far, so
he's got a lot of savvy. Whether he can get his mind around the
technology and use it successfully is an open question, but he is
open-minded about it. 


Thanks, Ted/all


Bill


 
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
> 



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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> >> I've got a small restaurant *which* has four
> >> interests, in order of priority:
> 
> I did a restaurant a couple of years ago. The realities are:
> 
> 1. For all of the reasons Matt pointed out (and more), direct them to

> buy an off-the-shelf POS system. The better POS systems already have  
> the accounting/inventory/etc, built in. Some even have a loyalty club

> option included with interface to a web site.


Dumb question: what's a 'loyalty club'?  Would you have a name or link
to a POS vendor that has this option? 


> Some also had the wireless PDA or tablet thing worked out. They work
*far* better than  
> anything any one of us could develop as a one-off application.
> 
> 2. Training is a *huge* issue. Servers are a combination of young,  
> usually pretty smart kids (usually college students), older ones for  
> whom it is "just a job." The former "get" computers, the latter  
> don't. All wait staff and cooks come and go like bums at the bus  
> station. Ditto managers. As soon as one crew is trained, 50% of them  
> are gone. The owners mostly are "artistes" who want to cook. They  
> can't or won't manage the _business_. It has to be dead-simple-easy  
> or nobody will use it. The POS systems are all touch screens. The  
> restaurant is laid out on the screen, they "touch" their tables to  
> get going.


Interestingly enough, the Intuit POS hardware package has no touch
screen component. The IBM package does, though. Be nice to know of other
major vendors in this category.


 
> 3. Restaurants are retail. Any system work or updates have to 
> be done after hours or early in the morning. I can't tell you how many
2 am  
> sessions I had. The guy doing their hardware stuff had it worse.


I'm just in this for the initial consulting part. That's why I want to
install products that include sound and ongoing vendor support. This is
where IBM has always shined, but at a cost.

 
> 4. They can't afford you. The good POS systems are expensive, but no  
> single restaurant can afford to have a custom system built. The  
> margins are just not there. A chain run by actual business people,  
> yes. They can spread the cost. A single restaurant will not 
> survive it.
> 
> I got involved when a guy I knew bought the restaurant. I 
> recommended  to him what I am recommending to you: Upgrade to a good
POS system.  
> The owner chose to keep their old, sucky Access-based POS system. I  
> built a loyalty system which integrated with the POS system 
> and their Web site, and had a few other capabilities the POS system
didn't. It  
> was very kludgy, but it works. I got paid only because the owner had  
> very deep pockets, but I wish he had followed my original  
> recommendation.
 

Thanks for the valuable testimony. Nothing like hearing from folks who
have been there.

I'll post about any significant developments.


Bill

 
> Ken



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[OT] -- Conservative Humor

[Bill Anderson]

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[OT] -- Global War on Truth

[Bill Anderson]

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RE: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq

[Bob Calco]

 
! Saddam was the head of a very rough country, and had to deal 
! with many 
! factions, many of which, no doubt, did not support his regime, so,
in 
! order to maintain power over Iraq, Saddam and, his follower, 
! had to use 
! force as opposed to benevolent love of the Iraqi people, to maintain

! power.  As Niccolo Machiavelli noted, the best way to rule a 
! country is 
! through the love and adoration of the people toward the 
! ruler.  When the 
! people stopping loving the ruler, then the country must be ruled by 
! fear.  Maintaining power over a country, because the people 
! fear you, is 
! not as good as deriving power because the people love you, but it is

! almost as good.
! 
! If Saddam was judged competent enough to defend his life in a 
! court of 
! law, against allegations of crimes against humanity, then 
! certainly he 
! was sane enough not to commit suicide by attacking the most powerful

! military ever assemble.  Think about it.

ROTFLMAO!

Keep inhaling that diesel, Leland! You're priceless! 

:)

- Bob

! 
! Regards,
! 
! LelandJ
!  
! 
! Hal Kaplan wrote:
! 
! >Brutal dictator?  It would seem so.
! >
! >Sane and rational?  If you think killing people who you do 
! not like is
! >sane, then there are a lot of people in the USA who pled 
! "not guilty by
! >reason of insanity" that need to be dealt with.
! >
! >Leland, you have been breathing too many diesel fumes.  Next 
! time, wait
! >20 minutes after you shut off the engine of your car before 
! you attempt
! >to make love to it.  OK?
! >
! >HALinNY 
! >
! >-Original Message-
! >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
! >Behalf Of Leland Jackson
! >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:08
! >To: ProFox Email List
! >Subject: Re: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq
! >
! >Even if Saddam had the biggest Nuke ever made, without any way to
! >deliver the payload,  he really was not a clear and present danger
! >threating an imminent attack against the US?  Saddam was a
toothless
! >tiger.  The US had nothing to fear from Saddam.  Even if Saddam had
! >attack the US with WMD, it would mean all out war, and total 
! destruction
! >of his country and people, and he was assured of that.  Why 
! would Saddam
! >commit suicide?  Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was also a
sane
! >and rational man.
! >
! >Regards,
! >
! >LelandJ
! >
! >Bob Calco wrote:
! >
! >  
! >
! >>http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf
! >>
! >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
! >>
! >>
! >>- - -
! >>Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the 
! >>information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra 
! >>conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and 
! >>concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
! >>
! >>Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a
senior 
! >>Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical 
! weapons were 
! >>not in useable conditions.
! >>
! >>"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 
! 1991," the 
! >>official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this 
! country and 
! >>the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for
which 
! >>this country went to war."
! >>
! >>The official said the findings did raise questions about 
! the years of 
! >>weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly 
! >>sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say 
! >>something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report 
! does suggest 
! >>that some of the weapons were likely put on the black 
! market and may 
! >>have been used outside Iraq.
! >>
! >>He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly 
! after the 
! >>March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons 
! facilities 
! >>secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
! >>
! >>"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said,
adding 
! >>that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site 
! has been 
! >>uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed 
! within them.
! >>
! >>- - -
! >>
! >>So much for "no WMDs found". While I agree these are small
potatoes 
! >>compared to what we believed we'd find, it's quite possible 
! we haven't 
! >>found everything, and it's possible what we thought he had 
! was hidden 
! >>somewhere else. And even these "small potatoes" can kill.
! >>
! >>But in any case, for those who are interested here is a factul 
! >>reference in the declassified summary one can point to in order to

! >>refute the "no WMDs found" argument. You cannot say "no WMDs were 
! >>found" all you can say is "only about 500 chemical WMD 
! munitions were 
! >>found so far." If these had been found right away, when every
stray 
! >>fart was screened for WMD content in the initial 
! post-invasion search, 
! >>then our political dialog would be very different right 
! now... But they
! >>
! >>
! >
! >  
! >
! >>were 

Re: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Ken Kixmoeller (j/s)]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote:


You don't want to run out of Coors light for some reason


Couldn't you substitute water without customers noticing?


No, water has more taste! (*somebody* had to say it... ducking and  
running to OT-land)



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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Jerry Wolper]

> Turning to wine, beer, and the bar in general your looking for the
> reorder capabilities.  You don't want to run out of Coors light for some 
> reason

Couldn't you substitute water without customers noticing?

-Jerry Wolper
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [NF] On Tape: Rep Won't Let Customer Quit AOL

[mrgmhale]

heh-heh...  I guess their accounting department has yet to catch up to me
...

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] On Tape: Rep Won't Let Customer Quit AOL
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2006, at 5:42 AM, mrgmhale wrote:
>
> > For the record, for anyone who has a Road Runner cable Internet
> > account,
> > RoadRunner is a Time Warner company that has AOL in its group of
> > affiliate
> > companies.  Hence, RoadRunner has been offering AOL to new RoadRunner
> > customers for free for the past few years.  But, neither RoadRunner
> > nor AOL
> > have made "big news" out of the fact that a person who has both AOL
> > and
> > RoadRunner, and has been paying for AOL from before AOL was merged
> > with Time
> > Warner, can request to have their AOL account migrated to a free
> > AOL account
> > on a Go Forward basis.
>
>   AOL has been separated corporate-wise for a while now, and
> TimeWarner no longer offers free AOL as a result.
>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
> -- http://leafe.com
> -- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
>
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[OT] The True Heroes

[Ed Leafe]

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Re: tab order question

[Dan Olsson]

At 2006-06-23 00:12, you wrote:

It's already in the product:
Tools - Options - Forms - Tab Ordering, Choose 'By List'


Thanks a lot - never thought of looking there...

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Re: tab order question

[Jaime Vasquez]

Ken McGinnis wrote:

Yes, that is exactly what we need. I wonder how hard that would be to create?



It's already in the product:

Tools - Options - Forms - Tab Ordering, Choose 'By List'

Accept changes, next:  View - Tab Order.





HTH



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Re: tab order question

[Richard Kaye]

How about View-Tab Order->Assign By List...

Ken McGinnis wrote:

Yes, that is exactly what we need. I wonder how hard that would be to create?

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At 2006-06-22 20:41, I wrote:
  

- or, if the functionality from FPW still was in the product... The
menu "Screen/Object Order" opened a mover list where it was very
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Re: [ADMIN]: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Ken Kixmoeller (j/s)]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Ted Roche wrote:


Seems Marge doesn't like me...


But I did get this one, FYI


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Re: [ADMIN]: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Ed Leafe]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Ted Roche wrote:


Seems Marge doesn't like me...


Doh!  ;-)

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[ADMIN]: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Ted Roche]

Seems Marge doesn't like me...

-- Forwarded message --
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Date: Jun 22, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


This is the Postfix program at host marge.leafe.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

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From: "Ted Roche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: profox@leafe.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:53 -0400
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME
TO: fields in the email addresses - Re: [NF] small business consulting
gig review
On 6/22/06, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Unique is one of a kind. How can you make yourself *REALLY* one of a
kind?



I meant "truly unique" instead of the claims of business owners
deluding themselves into thinking they are unique. Every one of my
clients believes his business is fundamentally different than anyone
else. It's not. Fundamentals are fundamentals. If their accounting is
unique, they're likely the next Enron.

They may strive to provide better service, be more responsive, offer a
greater range of services or inventory or choices, but the
fundamentals of the business are similar.

I had a great meeting a few years ago with a well-known Boston
retailer who insisted they wanted a custom CRM, order processing,
inventory and G/L, complex and secure MAN networking, and mobile
connectivity. We explained that they could have all of that off the
shelf. Or, we could write it for them, at a higher cost, lower
functionality and a later delivery time.

It was a hard sell.

--
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Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: tab order question

[Ken McGinnis]

Yes, that is exactly what we need. I wonder how hard that would be to create?

- Original Message - 
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To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: tab order question


At 2006-06-22 20:41, I wrote:
>- or, if the functionality from FPW still was in the product... The
>menu "Screen/Object Order" opened a mover list where it was very
>easy to see and change the tab order of all objects.

Picture of functionality above...



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[NF] Brando is in the new Superman, but he's dead. How?

[Alan Bourke]

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RE: Report preview / print

[David Crooks]

On Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:52 PM Kent Belan wrote:

>I am trying to create a generic report preview / print form in VFP9.

>Has anyone done this and willing to share before I start mine?

I think Microsoft did a pretty good job.  What is so special about
yours?

David L. Crooks



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Report preview / print

[Kent Belan]

Hello,
I am trying to create a generic report preview / print form in VFP9.

Has anyone done this and willing to share before I start mine?

Thanks,
Kent



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Re: tab order question

[Dan Olsson]

At 2006-06-22 20:41, I wrote:
- or, if the functionality from FPW still was in the product... The 
menu "Screen/Object Order" opened a mover list where it was very 
easy to see and change the tab order of all objects.


Picture of functionality above...



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Re: tab order question

[Dan Olsson]

At 2006-06-22 18:31, you wrote:
New tab order problem/question... Often I add or rearrange a text 
box on a screen. The tab order may be correct up to number 70. I 
need to change #71, 72, 73. What a pain to have to click the 1st 70 
controls!It would be nice if you could CTRL-click or something like 
that so that where you click would be the starting place to change the
tab order. So, in my example, I could CTRL-click on #70 and then 
click the control that I want to be #71, etc.


- or, if the functionality from FPW still was in the product... The 
menu "Screen/Object Order" opened a mover list where it was very easy 
to see and change the tab order of all objects.


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RE: Path resolution at design and run time

[Charlie Coleman]

At 01:44 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Winter wrote:
...


No, I didn't add the picture into the project.  But, correcting the path in
the Picture property took care of the problem.


Just as a quick aside (in case someone didn't mention this already). If you 
include the file in the project and compile, the path name becomes 
irrelevant. For example, I include the image files in the project (under 
Other files). When I compile to an .exe, the target machine does not need 
to have the same dir structure as my dev machine in order to load the image.


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Re: tab order question

[Charlie Coleman]

Ken McGinnis wrote:

...

When a user first goes into the screen it works as desired.
Problem: The next time that same screen is used the focus is still on the 
Save button.
Anyone know a way to force the focus to start with #1 when the form is 
re-activated?


At 11:56 AM 6/22/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote:

In the thisform.Show method, put the Setfocus command:

For example:

thisform.Show:
this.cboStartingObject.SetFocus


Wouldn't the Form's Activate Event be better? Just curious, I haven't used 
the Show method so I'm wondering if there is some advantage.


-Charlie



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Re: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Ted Roche]

On 6/22/06, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Unique is one of a kind. How can you make yourself *REALLY* one of a
kind?



I meant "truly unique" instead of the claims of business owners
deluding themselves into thinking they are unique. Every one of my
clients believes his business is fundamentally different than anyone
else. It's not. Fundamentals are fundamentals. If their accounting is
unique, they're likely the next Enron.

They may strive to provide better service, be more responsive, offer a
greater range of services or inventory or choices, but the
fundamentals of the business are similar.

I had a great meeting a few years ago with a well-known Boston
retailer who insisted they wanted a custom CRM, order processing,
inventory and G/L, complex and secure MAN networking, and mobile
connectivity. We explained that they could have all of that off the
shelf. Or, we could write it for them, at a higher cost, lower
functionality and a later delivery time.

It was a hard sell.

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Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: [OT] Re: [NF] The battle in color

[MB Software Solutions General Account]

Leland Jackson wrote:

Whether nymphos are criminals or not depends on who is setting on the 
Supreme Court.  Be thankful that president Bush didn't nominate Pat 
Robertson to the Supreme Court, because if folks like Pat Robertson 
had their way, the hill tops would be blazing like giant firework 
displays, as women accused of being nymphos, both innocent and guilty, 
would be burning at the stake.  Personally, I think sex is a good 
thing and nymphos are amazing, wonderful creations of nature.  




Rightmore (good) sex is definitely better than less!  ;-)



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RE: Path resolution at design and run time

[Dave Crozier]

Jim,
I see now. Sorry I got the wrong end of the stick. 
That is weird then.

Dave Crozier

-Original Message-
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Sent: 22 June 2006 18:44
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Path resolution at design and run time

Dave Crozier said:
> I presume that you must have deleted the intermediate path whilst the
> picture was in the VFP Cache hence it displayed OK. "Clear resources"
> clears
> out the VFP cache in case you didn't know. At runtime of course VFP would
> rediscover the path and subsequently not find the picture.

Nope, I just added the incorrect path and filename manually - nothing
deleted.  But the correct path was part of the path in effect at both design
and run time.

> Did you add the picture into the project? That way VFP ignores the path
> completely as the picture would exist in the project. And you would have
> maybe found the error sooner. I use this when I programmatically add the
> picture to say a commandbutton without bothering to add any path.

No, I didn't add the picture into the project.  But, correcting the path in
the Picture property took care of the problem.

Regards,
Jim





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RE: Path resolution at design and run time

[Jim Winter]

Dave Crozier said:
> I presume that you must have deleted the intermediate path whilst the
> picture was in the VFP Cache hence it displayed OK. "Clear resources"
> clears
> out the VFP cache in case you didn't know. At runtime of course VFP would
> rediscover the path and subsequently not find the picture.

Nope, I just added the incorrect path and filename manually - nothing
deleted.  But the correct path was part of the path in effect at both design
and run time.

> Did you add the picture into the project? That way VFP ignores the path
> completely as the picture would exist in the project. And you would have
> maybe found the error sooner. I use this when I programmatically add the
> picture to say a commandbutton without bothering to add any path.

No, I didn't add the picture into the project.  But, correcting the path in
the Picture property took care of the problem.

Regards,
Jim





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Re: [NF] How to disable Windows Genuine Advantage from phoning the mothership.

[MB Software Solutions]

Alan Bourke wrote:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/22/wga_remove/

Oh dear .. it appears the that the above article links to is down for
maintenance. After a call from MS lawyers, I'll warrant.
 


It's there now!  I saved it locally just in case

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RE: Path resolution at design and run time

[Dave Crozier]

Jim,
I presume that you must have deleted the intermediate path whilst the
picture was in the VFP Cache hence it displayed OK. "Clear resources" clears
out the VFP cache in case you didn't know. At runtime of course VFP would
rediscover the path and subsequently not find the picture. 

Did you add the picture into the project? That way VFP ignores the path
completely as the picture would exist in the project. And you would have
maybe found the error sooner. I use this when I programmatically add the
picture to say a commandbutton without bothering to add any path.

Dave Crozier

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jim Winter
Sent: 22 June 2006 14:01
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Path resolution at design and run time

Ran into an interesting situation that I haven't seen before.  I have a
command button with a picture on it. The full path to the picture was listed
in the picture property, but, by mistake, I left out an intermediate
directory so it was pointing to a nonexistent directory.  The picture was
visible at design time but not at run time.  So, apparently, at design time
VFP looks at the path setting and overrides the specified path if it points
to a nonexistent directory, but it doesn't do this at runtime.

Regards,
Jim




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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Hal Kaplan]

Ed, there is a ubiquity to uniquity.  We are all different except for
one thing ... Each of us is unique.  That is the way of the world.

HALinNY 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:44
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [NF] small business consulting gig review

On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

> Businesses have to be *REALLY* unique

Unique is one of a kind. How can you make yourself *REALLY* one
of a kind?

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [OT] I guess it was a good idea to install a missile defense system.

[Leland Jackson]

North Korea has, based on US "slam dunk" intelligence, made a missile, 
but North Korea isn't even sure whether it works or not.  Also, bashed 
on US "slam dunk" intelligence, the North Korea missile looks to be long 
range, maybe even capable of reach North America, but nobody can be sure 
of the capability of the North Korean missile, not even North Korea 
herself, until the missile is  tested, but you actually think that North 
Korea is crazy enough to attack the US with this missile.  I don't think 
the North Korean leadership is so self destructive as to make that kind 
of a fool mans bet.


Now, if all military weapons of mass destruction were remove as a viable 
options of war, North Korea's motive for racing into building nuclear 
missile would be removed, and we could all move toward disarmament and 
peace.  An arms race to who can create the most powerful and deadly 
arsenal of weapon is so yesterday.  Why has the world moved back into 
that obsolete mode of thinking and behavior.  Arm races are far to 
expensive and dangerous.


The only way to eliminate the proliferation of WMD is to eliminate them 
form every country.   The idea that a select elite group of countries 
can have nuclear power for industrial and weapon purposes, while the 
rest of the world cannot, will never work.


Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:


North Korea is run my a mentally-unstable leader who doesn't give a sh*t about 
treaties.  When he
shoots his missile towards us, we're going to need something to shoot it down.

--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Hey, a missile defense system wouldn't be needed if all countries 
disarmed their weapons and took down their missiles.  Duh. Instead the 
US choose to rekindle the cool war and bring back the tensions of 
decades past, rather than evolving towards a more enlighten world that 
settled debates around the peace tables of the UN.


Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

   


To all the Lefties who were against installing an missile defense system, you 
were wrong again.
 


Not that you'll admit it.

 New Lower Prices *
Horse Racing Photos at http://michaelmadigan.exposuremanager.com/


 


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Re: [NF] How to disable Windows Genuine Advantage from phoning the mothership.

[Jaime Vasquez]

Alan Bourke wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/22/wga_remove/

Oh dear .. it appears the that the above article links to is down for
maintenance. After a call from MS lawyers, I'll warrant.



Fifteen ways to remove WGA
http://tinyurl.com/nfrgw




Jaime Vasquez


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Re: tab order question

[Malcolm Greene]

Ken,

A control's TabIndex is writable at runtime. The VFP help is vague about
the effects of changing this property at runtime ... anyone on this list
have any experience doing this?

Also, you can replace my suggestion of having your control's When()
return False with setting your first control's .TabStop property to
False.

Other (untested) idea: Could you addobject your generic 'first' control
in your form load event so that it gets added before any other controls
thus guaranteeing a tab order of 1?

Malcolm


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[OT] Ann Coulter in college?

[Stephen Russell]

Stephen Russell
DBA / Developer

Electracash, Inc.
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VFP Organiser Beta Release 3

[Dave Crozier]

For those interested,
1. Dyamic tooltips on the daily event grid
2. Colour coding of event types - Confidential/Penciled In
3. Ability to toggle Delete Events On or Off
 
www.replacement-software.co.uk/blog
 
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Path resolution at design and run time

[Jim Winter]

Ran into an interesting situation that I haven't seen before.  I have a
command button with a picture on it. The full path to the picture was listed
in the picture property, but, by mistake, I left out an intermediate
directory so it was pointing to a nonexistent directory.  The picture was
visible at design time but not at run time.  So, apparently, at design time
VFP looks at the path setting and overrides the specified path if it points
to a nonexistent directory, but it doesn't do this at runtime.

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Re: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Ed Leafe]

On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Ted Roche wrote:


Businesses have to be *REALLY* unique


	Unique is one of a kind. How can you make yourself *REALLY* one of a  
kind?


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[WC] USA RIP

[Ed Leafe]

	As much as I wanted to see the US advance, I gotta say that they  
deserved to be eliminated. Poor coaching decisions combined with  
lackluster performances do not make for a successful team.


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[WC] Ghana Boots U.S. From World Cup

[Michael Madigan]

You've disgraced the country by playing a third-world sport.  Now don't come 
back!  LOL

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDBUAO0.html

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Re: tab order question

[Ken McGinnis]

Thanks, this worked. I have about 280 screens. All are created using a single 
form class. With Malcom's suggestion in mind, I put a 
textbox on the form class and set the focus to it in the class in the show 
method. To make it work it has to be tab #1. If you 
display the screen and click on the text box all the numbers will automatically 
adjust so it is not that difficult to go through 
all the screens.

New tab order problem/question...
Often I add or rearrange a text box on a screen. The tab order may be correct 
up to number 70. I need to change #71, 72, 73. What a 
pain to have to click the 1st 70 controls!

It would be nice if you could CTRL-click or something like that so that where 
you click would be the starting place to change the 
tab order. So, in my example, I could CTRL-click on #70 and then click the 
control that I want to be #71, etc.




- Original Message - 
From: "MB Software Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: tab order question


Ken McGinnis wrote:

>To improve performance, once a form (screen) is instantiated, I keep it in 
>memory using a common method many have discussed here.
>
>On screens you set the tab order to determine how the user will progress 
>through a data entry screen.
>
>When a user first goes into the screen it works as desired.
>
>Problem: The next time that same screen is used the focus is still on the Save 
>button.
>
>Anyone know a way to force the focus to start with #1 when the form is 
>re-activated?
>
>

In the thisform.Show method, put the Setfocus command:

For example:

thisform.Show:
this.cboStartingObject.SetFocus

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Re: [OT] I guess it was a good idea to install a missile defense system.

[Michael Madigan]

North Korea is run my a mentally-unstable leader who doesn't give a sh*t about 
treaties.  When he
shoots his missile towards us, we're going to need something to shoot it down.

--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey, a missile defense system wouldn't be needed if all countries 
> disarmed their weapons and took down their missiles.  Duh. Instead the 
> US choose to rekindle the cool war and bring back the tensions of 
> decades past, rather than evolving towards a more enlighten world that 
> settled debates around the peace tables of the UN.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> 
> >To all the Lefties who were against installing an missile defense system, 
> >you were wrong again.
> 
> >Not that you'll admit it.
> >
> > New Lower Prices *
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> >
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RE: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life

[Michael Madigan]

They probably would have killed the homeowner anyway.  Maybe not with a gun, 
but they would have
killed him.

--- Dominic Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> << The criminals *will* be armed with guns. Naive to expect them not to
> be.
> 
> Well duh!  That was not the point I was making, and nor was it the point
> that Michael was making.  I was making the point that *if* neither
> persons was in possession of a gun, then the chances are that *nobody*
> would have been killed.  The point that everyone else is making
> (inclusing yourself) about criminals handing in their guns is an
> *entirely* different argument from the one that Michael is making.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP
> Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer 
> 
> * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074
> *   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
> One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and
> the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of petetheisen
> Sent: 22 June 2006 09:46
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life
> 
> Dominic Burford wrote:
> > Huh!!  It saves one life, by claiming aother like in the process.
> > 
> > If neither one had been armed with guns, both would have survived.  I 
> > don't see your point.
> 
> Hi Dominic!
> 
> The criminals *will* be armed with guns. Naive to expect them not to be.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life

[Michael Madigan]

They probably would have killed the homeowner anyway.  Maybe not with a gun, 
but they would have
killed him.

--- Dominic Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> << The criminals *will* be armed with guns. Naive to expect them not to
> be.
> 
> Well duh!  That was not the point I was making, and nor was it the point
> that Michael was making.  I was making the point that *if* neither
> persons was in possession of a gun, then the chances are that *nobody*
> would have been killed.  The point that everyone else is making
> (inclusing yourself) about criminals handing in their guns is an
> *entirely* different argument from the one that Michael is making.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP
> Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer 
> 
> * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074
> *   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
> One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and
> the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of petetheisen
> Sent: 22 June 2006 09:46
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life
> 
> Dominic Burford wrote:
> > Huh!!  It saves one life, by claiming aother like in the process.
> > 
> > If neither one had been armed with guns, both would have survived.  I 
> > don't see your point.
> 
> Hi Dominic!
> 
> The criminals *will* be armed with guns. Naive to expect them not to be.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] How to disable Windows Genuine Advantage from phoning the mothership.

[stephen . russell]

> From: "Alan Bourke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, June 22, 2006 8:56 am
> To: profox@leafe.com
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/22/wga_remove/

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RE: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life

[Michael Madigan]

It saved the homeowner's life

--- Dominic Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> << Because the criminal will always have the gun and only the
> law-abiding would turn their's in.
> 
> That is not the point you were making.  You posted a link to an article
> which you indicated described how a gun saved a life.  The story
> describes how a burglar is killed by the home owner.  So your gun hasn't
> really saved a life has it?  It has resulted in the death of a burglar
> (which I am sure some may argue is a good thing), but that is *not* the
> point you were making.  The point you were making was that a gun saved a
> life, which it has not.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP
> Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer 
> 
> * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
> One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and
> the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: 22 June 2006 08:14
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life
> 
> Because the criminal will always have the gun and only the law-abiding
> would turn their's in.
> 
> --- Dominic Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Huh!!  It saves one life, by claiming aother like in the process.
> > 
> > If neither one had been armed with guns, both would have survived.  I 
> > don't see your point.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP
> > Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer
> > 
> > * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074
> > * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
> > One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, 
> > and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no 
> > obvious deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> > Sent: 21 June 2006 18:57
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life
> > 
> > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3989147.html
> > 
> >  New Lower Prices *
> > Horse Racing Photos at http://michaelmadigan.exposuremanager.com/
> > 
> > 
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Re: tab order question

[Malcolm Greene]

Ken,

Add a consistenly named button to all your forms and make sure its
always the first control in the tab order. Let's call this btnFirst for
this example:

In button's Init()

* move it out of view
- this.move( -100,-100 )

In button's When()

return .F.

Then in your form's Show method:

thisform.btnFirst.SetFocus()

If you were ambitious, I believe you could do all of this automatically
at runtime via a single addobject() addobject( 'btnFirst', 'clsBtnFirst'
) in your form's init() where your btnFirst class sets tab order
property to 1, bindevents() to its form's Show() method, etc. Would be
an interesting exercise ... 

Malcolm

To improve performance, once a form (screen) is instantiated, I keep it
in memory using a common method many have discussed here.

On screens you set the tab order to determine how the user will progress
through a data entry screen.

When a user first goes into the screen it works as desired. 

Problem: The next time that same screen is used the focus is still on
the Save button. 

Anyone know a way to force the focus to start with #1 when the form is
re-activated?


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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[stephen . russell]

> From: "Bill Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That's a very good point, Stephen.  I do know some chefs, and you are
> right, they can be pretty egotistical.
>
> Nevertheless, one thing that would help the situation at large is photos
> of meals on the menu, like they have in Chinese places, as a standard.
> Funny how this is standard for Chinese places, but only them.

Why not buy the plastic ones out of Asia and have a showcase window up
front?  Just kidding.

What is the problem that you need an image of how something will look? 
You need to trust the wait staff, they are the pros, and they know what
"people" like.

> Going further, such as video clips showing how certain meals are
> prepared, might work in specialized settings, such as very high end
> restaurants who can afford (rare) chef/actors.

You are missing the point to the industry.  TURN TABLES!  If you have a
wait at the door, you don't want to distract anyone who is seated from
finishing their meal and leaving.

> I will stand by the overall observation that entertainment in any/all
> forms is a growth area for businesses dealing with the general public.
> Implementation is the trick.

Yyour nuts, from a business perspective.  I'll go out on a limb and say
get a chefs table at Commanders Palace or likewise.  There you can see
the insanity that occurs in a real kitchen.  You can see stress levels
that you might remember from war times.  It's tough business and few
really make it.  When you know that night ou have your 4 or 6
particular customers are in and you have to do something very special
for them, on top of doing everything else for the other 120+ dishes
that are going out the door that night.

What makes a restaurant successful is knowledgeable staff in both food
and beverages, and an inventive kitchen that can come up with
interesting specials that enhance a great menu.  I worked with a very
talented Swiss trained chef.  He would come into work and say "I have a
new menu for the  "  Pick any season.  Customers hated it!  But his
food was so good that they tried the new dishes and were impressed. 
Today you know of Tuscan cuisine, but back in the 81-2 days it was
unheard of.





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Re: tab order question

[MB Software Solutions]

Ken McGinnis wrote:


To improve performance, once a form (screen) is instantiated, I keep it in 
memory using a common method many have discussed here.

On screens you set the tab order to determine how the user will progress 
through a data entry screen.

When a user first goes into the screen it works as desired. 

Problem: The next time that same screen is used the focus is still on the Save button. 


Anyone know a way to force the focus to start with #1 when the form is 
re-activated?
 



In the thisform.Show method, put the Setfocus command:

For example:

thisform.Show:
this.cboStartingObject.SetFocus

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[NF] How to disable Windows Genuine Advantage from phoning the mothership.

[Alan Bourke]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/22/wga_remove/

Oh dear .. it appears the that the above article links to is down for
maintenance. After a call from MS lawyers, I'll warrant.
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Re: [NF] Yes, Windows protections even for the pirates, Ed (if this person has her way)

[MB Software Solutions]

mrgmhale wrote:


O, so there is someone who cares at MS!
   



It was very courageous of her to take such a position.  My guess is she
won't be with M$ much longer.  Her words sealed her fate.  Shame.
 



Same fate probably for that Windows Vista developer who spoke out 
critically on the MSDN blogs...he'll be "dealt with" for his daring to 
speak against the Borg, er, uh, The Firm (M$).


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Re: [OT] Once again a gun saves a life

[Leland Jackson]

Whoops, I was referring to an extinction level event here.Sorry 
Pete, but I bet you to this one; although, I'm sure I will still hear 
something from you.


Regards,

LelandJ

Leland Jackson wrote:

I would be happier if the UN made wmd illegal for every country around 
the world, including the US.  Then we could begin disarming the 
nuclear, chemical, and biological weapon that could lead to extenstion 
of the human race.


Regards,

LelandJ


Jason wrote:


Michael Madigan wrote:


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3989147.html



In related news, the U.N. will try to ensure that unneeded deaths 
like this do not continue.


http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9dcc90ec-c64d-40a4-a3c9-a4edd3e332d6 



Of course if they had any authority at all, outside of sanctioning 
somebody, this might worry me :)




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tab order question

[Ken McGinnis]

To improve performance, once a form (screen) is instantiated, I keep it in 
memory using a common method many have discussed here.

On screens you set the tab order to determine how the user will progress 
through a data entry screen.

When a user first goes into the screen it works as desired. 

Problem: The next time that same screen is used the focus is still on the Save 
button. 

Anyone know a way to force the focus to start with #1 when the form is 
re-activated?


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Re: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Ted Roche]

On 6/22/06, Bill Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I'm keeping an eye out for canned solutions. As mentioned, I'm highly
skeptical about getting involved with any development work at all for a
single business. I see that approach as nothing but trouble.


I've had similar experiences. Businesses have to be *REALLY* unique to
need something other than what is off the shelf. Mostly, businesses
who insist they need a custom solution do not understand what they are
asking for, how much it will cost (in money, their time and their
effort and in long-term support). At Blackstone, the hardest hurdle a
client needed to get over to engage with us was to convince us they
needed a custom solution. We convinced many to look into off-the-shelf
account, POS, inventory, ERP, CRM and MRP systems.

Restaurants are the business with the highest rate of failure. One of
the reasons for that is that there are few business people starting
them. Chefs and cooks may make great food, but the business of running
a restaurant depends on many other skills. Kind of like consulting
depends on writing great code, but a lot more.

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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[stephen . russell]

> From: "Bill Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> If I were Intuit, I'd build an end-user customizable touch-screen
> product that allows a non-technical person (manager) to layout touch
> screen displays. This way the manager and staff can get involved and put
> the hours into deciding what needs to go where.

screw intuit and go with some pros in this industry.

http://www.capterra.com/restaurant-management-software  For a list of
all the players.




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Re: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq

[Leland Jackson]

Saddam was the head of a very rough country, and had to deal with many 
factions, many of which, no doubt, did not support his regime, so, in 
order to maintain power over Iraq, Saddam and, his follower, had to use 
force as opposed to benevolent love of the Iraqi people, to maintain 
power.  As Niccolo Machiavelli noted, the best way to rule a country is 
through the love and adoration of the people toward the ruler.  When the 
people stopping loving the ruler, then the country must be ruled by 
fear.  Maintaining power over a country, because the people fear you, is 
not as good as deriving power because the people love you, but it is 
almost as good.


If Saddam was judged competent enough to defend his life in a court of 
law, against allegations of crimes against humanity, then certainly he 
was sane enough not to commit suicide by attacking the most powerful 
military ever assemble.  Think about it.


Regards,

LelandJ


Hal Kaplan wrote:


Brutal dictator?  It would seem so.

Sane and rational?  If you think killing people who you do not like is
sane, then there are a lot of people in the USA who pled "not guilty by
reason of insanity" that need to be dealt with.

Leland, you have been breathing too many diesel fumes.  Next time, wait
20 minutes after you shut off the engine of your car before you attempt
to make love to it.  OK?

HALinNY 


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Even if Saddam had the biggest Nuke ever made, without any way to
deliver the payload,  he really was not a clear and present danger
threating an imminent attack against the US?  Saddam was a toothless
tiger.  The US had nothing to fear from Saddam.  Even if Saddam had
attack the US with WMD, it would mean all out war, and total destruction
of his country and people, and he was assured of that.  Why would Saddam
commit suicide?  Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was also a sane
and rational man.

Regards,

LelandJ

Bob Calco wrote:

 


http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


- - -
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the 
information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra 
conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and 
concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.


Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior 
Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were 
not in useable conditions.


"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the 
official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and 
the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which 
this country went to war."


The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of 
weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly 
sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say 
something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest 
that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may 
have been used outside Iraq.


He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the 
March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities 
secured," has proven itself to be untrue.


"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding 
that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been 
uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.


- - -

So much for "no WMDs found". While I agree these are small potatoes 
compared to what we believed we'd find, it's quite possible we haven't 
found everything, and it's possible what we thought he had was hidden 
somewhere else. And even these "small potatoes" can kill.


But in any case, for those who are interested here is a factul 
reference in the declassified summary one can point to in order to 
refute the "no WMDs found" argument. You cannot say "no WMDs were 
found" all you can say is "only about 500 chemical WMD munitions were 
found so far." If these had been found right away, when every stray 
fart was screened for WMD content in the initial post-invasion search, 
then our political dialog would be very different right now... But they
   



 

were found well after the official news cycle, as evidenced by how 
little play this got in the media yesterday.


I also don't think it's reasonable to say they were "secure" before the
   



 

invasion but the invasion made them "insecure". They were dispersed to 
god-only-knows-where so that the inspections would never find them, 
either, which raises the question in my mind if Hussein even knew where
   



 


all of them were. As Leland might say, "plausible deniability".

And I definitely don't think it's fair to say

RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[stephen . russell]

> From: "Hal Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Which one of the dismal denizens were you, Stephen?

I worked up to a sous chef doing French and N. Italian cuisine depending
on the season in Sedona AZ.  Left the kitchen when I went back to
college so I became a waiter.  Worked at a 4 star French restaurant
that hosted an art collection of 2+ mill dollars in value.  Worked as a
bartender at a huge bar chain that packed the house in it's early days.







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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> > Well, it's also possible that tablets will be built into tables at 
> > some point, and diners will link up directly with the chefs 
> (and maybe 
> > see a video of how certain dishes are prepared, etc.) - which will 
> > really change the role of the waitress. Just being a tad more 
> > futuristic, one thing I did mention to this guy is that 
> entertainment 
> > is a really big wave, and perhaps the waitress of the 
> future will, of
> > necessity, take on a more entertaining angle.  
> 
> Hahahaha. You don't know the personality of chefs do you?  
> The nice ones on TV are few and far between.  Most are 
> egotistical bastards and having them interact with anyone but 
> your staff will only hurt your business.  That is why you 
> hire in commission based sales people, to buffer the clients from
> the insanity.   


That's a very good point, Stephen.  I do know some chefs, and you are
right, they can be pretty egotistical. 

Nevertheless, one thing that would help the situation at large is photos
of meals on the menu, like they have in Chinese places, as a standard.
Funny how this is standard for Chinese places, but only them.  

Going further, such as video clips showing how certain meals are
prepared, might work in specialized settings, such as very high end
restaurants who can afford (rare) chef/actors.

I will stand by the overall observation that entertainment in any/all
forms is a growth area for businesses dealing with the general public.
Implementation is the trick. 



Bill


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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

 
> Bill, having run a small retail business I suggest that the 
> heart of any system should be the cash register[s]


Yes, that makes perfect sense. 


> - take a 
> look at the low end of the various suppliers' networked 
> ranges and check for computer connectivity features; at the 
> very least you want to be able to upload the end-of-session 
> summaries. You should be able to pick up figures for the 
> income side of your accounts. For directly sold items (wine 
> beer &c.) you also have stock control data, and even prepared 
> items (meals) can be analysed to give reasonable ball-park 
> figures to control any serious 'shrinkage'. I agree on 
> Quicken / Quickbooks for accounts (if you don't issue many 
> invoices QuickBooks is ott), you might even find a cash 
> register that will interface with Intuit.

"ott" ?

I'm keeping an eye out for canned solutions. As mentioned, I'm highly
skeptical about getting involved with any development work at all for a
single business. I see that approach as nothing but trouble. I recall
working on Avis Rent A Car systems years ago, and all the trouble they
went through to design was amounted to a POS system for rental agents. 

If I were Intuit, I'd build an end-user customizable touch-screen
product that allows a non-technical person (manager) to layout touch
screen displays. This way the manager and staff can get involved and put
the hours into deciding what needs to go where.


Bill
 
>hth


Yes!

 
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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Bill Arnold]

> >Intuit has a POS system for $1k (approx $2k with hardware)
> 
> interesting but expensive - and it seems to lack a 
> retail/cash register keyboard.


Yeah, I thought it was odd that their hardware package is missing a cash
register component. Seems the deal is that they expect the PC to serve
that purpose, which I really don't think is a good solution. Can't
expect workers who are used to banging away at a sturdy cash register to
accept a delicate instrument as "better" for them. 

One solution that I have observed and spoken to waitresses about is the
IHOP setup, which involves a touch screen and a keyboard. The few I
asked report they do like that setup once they get used to it (some
waitresses are quite speedy at it). But that's IHOP, which probably
tasked a team of developers to design just the right interface for their
restaurants and then went through a period of acceptance testing to make
sure it was right. 

A Big Thing that I'm very sensitive to with these small business deals
is not to get into custom development, because that's a losing
proposition. For development there must be a "multiplier", such as a
chain of stores, otherwise it's a choice between canned packages. Herein
seems to lie the difficulty with POS systems - in that a 'general
purpose' design doesn't fit all and begs customization. I can *imagine*
a touch-screen POS system that's end-user customizable, but have no idea
if such a thing actually exists.


Bill















 


 
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Re: What was that thing where it had a map and our locations with pics?

[Ted Roche]

Shades of Ocean's Eleven:

Reuben: Look, we all go way back and uh, I owe you from the thing with
the guy in the place and I'll never forget it.

Danny: That was our pleasure.

Rusty: I'd never been to Belize.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240772/quotes

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RE: [NF] it's a matter of scale

[Allen]

It was a program used to make voices in tune when they didn't stand a chance
without it.
Allen 

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Wasn't Antares a disco group during the 70's?  They sure beefed up since
then!

HALinNY 



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Re: [NF] it's a matter of scale

[Kevin Cully]

Where's the Sedna ball?

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Hal Kaplan wrote:

Wasn't Antares a disco group during the 70's?  They sure beefed up since
then!

HALinNY 


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Spheres that show the scale between planets, and between suns.  
 



Stephen Russell
DBA / Developer

Electracash, Inc.
5100 Poplar Ave.
Suite 2518
Memphis, Tennessee 38137
1-901-684-0348
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.electracash.com 


The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.




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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Allen]

One thing that really pee's me off is tips. Most restaurants in the USA,
Canada and UK are overpriced yet want more for service. No wonder I wont go
out that much in the UK for food. Sorry getting OT here but I just got back
from Vancouver and had to eat out all the time.
Allen 

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Because they are treated like crap from managers/owners in almost all
situations.

It is rare to find a talented owner(s), kitchen, and front of house that
are not at some stupid war with one another.  I use to live in this
environment for years so I dwell on experience here.

If you audit the tickets from the kitchen against the same one coming
through the register you would be amazed at differences.  Those are
usually fraudulent mind you.



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[OT] Till the mission is complete

[Stephen Russell]

Stephen Russell
DBA / Developer

Electracash, Inc.
5100 Poplar Ave.
Suite 2518
Memphis, Tennessee 38137
1-901-684-0348
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.electracash.com 

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moment.



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RE: [NF] small business consulting gig review

[Hal Kaplan]

 

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It is rare to find a talented owner(s), kitchen, and front of house that
are not at some stupid war with one another.  I use to live in this
environment for years so I dwell on experience here.

===

Which one of the dismal denizens were you, Stephen?

HALinNY


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RE: [NF] it's a matter of scale

[Hal Kaplan]

Wasn't Antares a disco group during the 70's?  They sure beefed up since
then!

HALinNY 

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Spheres that show the scale between planets, and between suns.  
 


Stephen Russell
DBA / Developer

Electracash, Inc.
5100 Poplar Ave.
Suite 2518
Memphis, Tennessee 38137
1-901-684-0348
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.electracash.com 

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.



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RE: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq

[Hal Kaplan]

Brutal dictator?  It would seem so.

Sane and rational?  If you think killing people who you do not like is
sane, then there are a lot of people in the USA who pled "not guilty by
reason of insanity" that need to be dealt with.

Leland, you have been breathing too many diesel fumes.  Next time, wait
20 minutes after you shut off the engine of your car before you attempt
to make love to it.  OK?

HALinNY 

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Even if Saddam had the biggest Nuke ever made, without any way to
deliver the payload,  he really was not a clear and present danger
threating an imminent attack against the US?  Saddam was a toothless
tiger.  The US had nothing to fear from Saddam.  Even if Saddam had
attack the US with WMD, it would mean all out war, and total destruction
of his country and people, and he was assured of that.  Why would Saddam
commit suicide?  Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was also a sane
and rational man.

Regards,

LelandJ

Bob Calco wrote:

>http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf
> 
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
> 
> 
>- - -
>Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the 
>information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra 
>conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and 
>concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
>
>Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior 
>Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were 
>not in useable conditions.
>
>"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the 
>official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and 
>the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which 
>this country went to war."
>
>The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of 
>weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly 
>sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say 
>something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest 
>that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may 
>have been used outside Iraq.
>
>He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the 
>March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities 
>secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
>
>"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding 
>that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been 
>uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.
>
>- - -
>
>So much for "no WMDs found". While I agree these are small potatoes 
>compared to what we believed we'd find, it's quite possible we haven't 
>found everything, and it's possible what we thought he had was hidden 
>somewhere else. And even these "small potatoes" can kill.
>
>But in any case, for those who are interested here is a factul 
>reference in the declassified summary one can point to in order to 
>refute the "no WMDs found" argument. You cannot say "no WMDs were 
>found" all you can say is "only about 500 chemical WMD munitions were 
>found so far." If these had been found right away, when every stray 
>fart was screened for WMD content in the initial post-invasion search, 
>then our political dialog would be very different right now... But they

>were found well after the official news cycle, as evidenced by how 
>little play this got in the media yesterday.
>
>I also don't think it's reasonable to say they were "secure" before the

>invasion but the invasion made them "insecure". They were dispersed to 
>god-only-knows-where so that the inspections would never find them, 
>either, which raises the question in my mind if Hussein even knew where

>all of them were. As Leland might say, "plausible deniability".
>
>And I definitely don't think it's fair to say "Bush lied" -- clearly he

>believed there was significant stockpiles there and on that basis made 
>a good part of his decision (Geore Tenet's "slam dunk"), which is one 
>reason why he's not trumpeting this. The idea that this was all 
>fabrication of some pinheads at PNAC also doesn't float because, for 
>one thing, these WMDs are real, and the suspicions about Iraq's 
>capabilities and potential collaboration with Al Qaeda have been around

>for years and were equally pumped by Democrats and Republicans in their

>turn. I will gladly pull out the quotes again, not to mention the 1998 
>ABC News story centered around the 1998 indictment of Bin Laden that 
>alleges that very connection, all over again. It's funny how they sunk 
>down the memory whole when it was politically convenient.
>
>Talk about an inconvenient truth...
>
>
>- Bob
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq

[Leland Jackson]

Even if Saddam had the biggest Nuke ever made, without any way to 
deliver the payload,  he really was not a clear and present danger 
threating an imminent attack against the US?  Saddam was a toothless 
tiger.  The US had nothing to fear from Saddam.  Even if Saddam had 
attack the US with WMD, it would mean all out war, and total destruction 
of his country and people, and he was assured of that.  Why would Saddam 
commit suicide?  Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was also a sane 
and rational man.


Regards,

LelandJ

Bob Calco wrote:


http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


- - -
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the
information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra
conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and
concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior
Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were
not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the
official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and
the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which
this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of
weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly
sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say
something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest
that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may
have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the
March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities
secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding
that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been
uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

- - -

So much for "no WMDs found". While I agree these are small potatoes
compared to what we believed we'd find, it's quite possible we haven't
found everything, and it's possible what we thought he had was hidden
somewhere else. And even these "small potatoes" can kill.

But in any case, for those who are interested here is a factul
reference in the declassified summary one can point to in order to
refute the "no WMDs found" argument. You cannot say "no WMDs were
found" all you can say is "only about 500 chemical WMD munitions were
found so far." If these had been found right away, when every stray
fart was screened for WMD content in the initial post-invasion search,
then our political dialog would be very different right now... But
they were found well after the official news cycle, as evidenced by
how little play this got in the media yesterday.

I also don't think it's reasonable to say they were "secure" before
the invasion but the invasion made them "insecure". They were
dispersed to god-only-knows-where so that the inspections would never
find them, either, which raises the question in my mind if Hussein
even knew where all of them were. As Leland might say, "plausible
deniability".

And I definitely don't think it's fair to say "Bush lied" -- clearly
he believed there was significant stockpiles there and on that basis
made a good part of his decision (Geore Tenet's "slam dunk"), which is
one reason why he's not trumpeting this. The idea that this was all
fabrication of some pinheads at PNAC also doesn't float because, for
one thing, these WMDs are real, and the suspicions about Iraq's
capabilities and potential collaboration with Al Qaeda have been
around for years and were equally pumped by Democrats and Republicans
in their turn. I will gladly pull out the quotes again, not to mention
the 1998 ABC News story centered around the 1998 indictment of Bin
Laden that alleges that very connection, all over again. It's funny
how they sunk down the memory whole when it was politically
convenient.

Talk about an inconvenient truth...


- Bob




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