Re: [OT] Hey Ricardo, how do you like Global Warming?

[Michael Madigan]

I hear the Argentinians are freezing their swastikss
off. 


--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 July 2007 01:02, Michael Madigan
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> >
>
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=0
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> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> The chicks are kind of cute in their parkas. At
> least it isn't Global 
> Crossing.
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Chet Gardiner]

Foxpro IDE???

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and 
> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week.  Then 
> you can add functionality a little at a time.  Also, the framework 
> usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone 
> going in a hurry.   A command window is fine, but limited, as the code 
> go away when the window is closed.  I believe its better to have 
> test/learn code in a file that can be run and debugged.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Chet Gardiner]

And view all variables and how they interact/react to the code, etc.

Paul Newton wrote:
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and 
>> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week.  Then 
>> you can add functionality a little at a time.  Also, the framework 
>> usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone 
>> going in a hurry.   A command window is fine, but limited, as the code 
>> go away when the window is closed.  I believe its better to have 
>> test/learn code in a file that can be run and debugged.
>>   
>> 
> Leland
>
> Thats's very true but at least in VFP, with the PM, you can do as you 
> say - build small programs, test code etc - WITHOUT any framework.
>
> Paul Newton
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RE: [OT] How about a real first lady?

[Adam Buckland]

Well given you mentioned Hillary first where is your evidence on her as
I'm sure you could use that to scupper her 2008 campaign?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Michael Madigan

http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/herstory/a/Eleanor.htm



--- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ahem...alleged unless you have the proof no one has
> been able to find.
> 
> 
> ::a
> 
> PS Damn shouldn't have read that biography of
> Hillary whilst on holiday, wasn't that helpful and
> up to date either! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Contrast and compare his wife to lesbians like
> Hillary
> Clinton and Eleanor Roosevelt.  Bill's saying to
> himself, "damn".


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Re: [NF] Keyboard remapping

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:46:20 +0100, "Paul Hill"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Cheers from me too.  I'm going to give them a try.  My keyboard is one
> of those with a 'feature' button that re-maps the F-keys to 'useful'
> functions.  

Yes, because pressing a button to open Internet Explorer is so much
easier than double-clicking the icon.
-- 
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Peter Cushing]

Ken Dibble wrote:
> I mean, really, who cares about Fibonacci 
> sequences?
Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code?   :-)   That's the first time 
I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:41 +0100, "Peter Cushing"
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> Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code?   :-)   That's the first time 
> I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.

Fibonacci was also bandied around quite a lot in the whole chaos theory
/ fractals thing in the early to mid 90's. 
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[OT] Unanimity Is Diversity

[Robert Calco]

http://tinyurl.com/3a7cj7

- - -

However, Etheridge aside, it was nonmusicians at this concert who  
made the most passionate pleas about demanding action for the  
environment. "Get rid of all these rotten politicians that we have in  
Washington, who are nothing more than corporate toadies," said Robert  
F. Kennedy Jr., the environmentalist author, president of Waterkeeper  
Alliance and Robert F. Kennedy's son, who grew hoarse from shouting.  
"This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors."

- - -

So, it's OK to undermine the commander-in-chief during war, and root  
for US defeat in the war on terror---indeed, that literally _defines_  
patriotism and "support for the troops" these days among our friends  
in the majority---but don't you dare have an opposing view on  
climatology, or it's off with your head!

That sounds about right.

- Bob


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RE: [OT] Unanimity Is Diversity

[Adam Buckland]

I was waiting for the image selling me Viagra or pump/dump shares top
pop up when I saw this!

::a

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http://tinyurl.com/3a7cj7

- - -

However, Etheridge aside, it was nonmusicians at this concert who  
made the most passionate pleas about demanding action for the  
environment. "Get rid of all these rotten politicians that we have in  
Washington, who are nothing more than corporate toadies," said Robert  
F. Kennedy Jr., the environmentalist author, president of Waterkeeper  
Alliance and Robert F. Kennedy's son, who grew hoarse from shouting.  
"This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors."

- - -

So, it's OK to undermine the commander-in-chief during war, and root  
for US defeat in the war on terror---indeed, that literally _defines_  
patriotism and "support for the troops" these days among our friends  
in the majority---but don't you dare have an opposing view on  
climatology, or it's off with your head!

That sounds about right.

- Bob


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[OT] problems with my Bean Counter Part III

[Adam Buckland]

Has a laptop that won't keep time and looses it's settings so decided
that I as the most knowledgeable person in the universe! (Patronising
b4stard) must be able to
help him out.

He has gone to PC World for a new battery for the settings and a
replacement dilithium crystal for the clock.

:)

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Paul Hill]

On 7/10/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:41 +0100, "Peter Cushing"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code?   :-)   That's the first time
> > I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.
>
> Fibonacci was also bandied around quite a lot in the whole chaos theory
> / fractals thing in the early to mid 90's.

'Fibonacci Delta compression' is used as a crude technique for
compressing 8bit audio samples down to (IIRC) 4 bit.  You use
Fibonacci numbers to store the difference between the current sample
and the next one.

-- 
Paul


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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ted Roche]

On 7/10/07, Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nobody does desktop any more?  Good luck Steve.

Jeff, please don't feed the troll. Stephen gotcha. I guess you didn't
see his smile. This was an attempt at irony. Or satire. Or farse. With
Stephen, it's so hard to tell.

> Major corporations are concerned about
> security and I don't mean people surfing the internet.

That's interesting. Do you maintain there is actually a difference
between a desktop app and a web-browser-based app in terms of
security?

> Follow Ed to a Python conference and see how "painful" it is.

>  Maybe there are no database frameworks because no one can do it!

There are lots of _database_ frameworks. Take a look at SQLAlchemy.
The Object-Relational-Management-Systems (ORMs) are taking over the
universe. It's seems like everyone and their brother thinks they can
make one. One in a hundred is actually on to something.

As for _desktop_ frameworks, there are a lot of different toolkits
available for the graphics (GTK+, Qt, wxWidgets, Tk), database
interfaces (from ORMs to ODBC) and scripting languages to glue them
all together. Thousands of desktop apps are out there right now. Ed
and Paul and the dabo crew are trying to build a more integrated stack

> Dabo is no trivial undertaking!

Very true. And a awesome job they are doing.

> I love you man and you are a champ in the kitchen, but why do you hang
> around here anyway?

I'll be interested in the answer to that one, too. For me, I enjoy the
high-level discussion of development issues. I still recall a little
bit about FoxPro to share here and there. And there's always MB to
hassle. Despite belonging to another half-dozen LUG lists, Python
lists, Ruby lists, and developer groups, this list still has some of
the best [NF] discussions.

-- 
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Re: [OT] This is how to improve food safety

[Nicholas Geti]

Fastest way to deal with food scares from china. http://tinyurl.com/32aotm


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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Yeah, what is the proper term to use these days for a development tool 
that provides an editor, project/file manager, compiler, a set of OO 
classes, revision control system that allow collaboration between 
members of the development team, version control, installer, etc.  
Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework, so to the 
extent vfp provides essentially everything Visual Studio does, I 
referred to vfp as a framework.  I'm not quit sure what  the difference 
is between an IDE and a Framework.

Regards,

LelandJ

Chet Gardiner wrote:
> Foxpro IDE???
>
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and 
>> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week.  Then 
>> you can add functionality a little at a time.  Also, the framework 
>> usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone 
>> going in a hurry.   A command window is fine, but limited, as the code 
>> go away when the window is closed.  I believe its better to have 
>> test/learn code in a file that can be run and debugged.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>   
>>   
>> 
>
>
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Ted Roche]

On 7/8/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.

Rather than answer with all of our personal agendas, perhaps we should
ask questions, instead.

How old is your nephew? Which grade is he in? What are his other
interests? Is he on the math team and AV team? What's your impression
of his nerd quotient? Kids today are using computers from birth, so
the fact that he's in high school before he indicates an interest in
computers is an interesting data point. What's his math and music
proficiency?

What was it about the application that got him excited? Was it the
screen design? Perhaps he's more of a UI designer than a programmer -
a very valuable and very different profession.

>  I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).

There are a huge number of resources available, most for free. I'd
suggest you can help him focus in on what he wants to learn and find a
good tool to start him with, just as you help clients to narrow their
requirements.

-- 
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Paul Newton]

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Yeah, what is the proper term to use these days for a development tool 
> that provides an editor, project/file manager, compiler, a set of OO 
> classes, revision control system that allow collaboration between 
> members of the development team, version control, installer, etc.  
> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework, so to the 
> extent vfp provides essentially everything Visual Studio does, I 
> referred to vfp as a framework.  I'm not quit sure what  the difference 
> is between an IDE and a Framework.
>   
I take your point, Leland

Paul Newton


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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Ed Leafe]

On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

>  I'm not quit sure what  the difference is between an IDE and a  
> Framework.

VFP is actually two products. There is the engine and the IDE.

You do realize that you can create *any* VFP app without the VFP  
IDE, right? Any app you can create using the visual tools available  
in the IDE can be written entirely using a plain text editor. It is  
the VFP engine that takes PRG code, or VCX/SCX/etc. binaries and  
compiles them into a runnable app.

The VFP IDE is a set of tools designed to make coding easier, by  
providing features such as visual design tools, syntax-colored  
editors, project managers, etc. None of these are required to create  
VFP apps, but I doubt anyone would want to develop without them.

A framework is a base set of code that manages the common parts of  
any application. In the VFP world there is Codebook, VMP, VFE, etc.  
Each of these provides basic application services as well as a  
general approach to creating your specific forms, menus, etc. They  
can be thought of as a coding guideline for constructing your app,  
with a lot of the tedious grunt work already done for you.

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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Peter Cushing]

Ted Roche wrote:
>> Major corporations are concerned about
>> security and I don't mean people surfing the internet.
>> 
>
> That's interesting. Do you maintain there is actually a difference
> between a desktop app and a web-browser-based app in terms of
> security?
>
>   
My take on that was that he meant it was very much more secure if it 
doesn't go outside the building!
I know you can still use web based apps just LAN based but why would you 
bother?
> Despite belonging to another half-dozen LUG lists, Python
> lists, Ruby lists, and developer groups, this list still has some of
> the best [NF] discussions.
>   
I'm just starting to play with Linux to do some simple things with and 
see how difficult/easy it is.
Do you have a recommendation for a Linux list for a newbie?

Peter



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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jul 10, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:

> Do you have a recommendation for a Linux list for a newbie?

http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/prolinux

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Alan Bourke]

> On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>   
>>  I'm not quit sure what  the difference is between an IDE and a  
>> Framework.
>> 

A framework provides you with 'scaffolding', an empty shell of an 
application.  An IDE is just a bunch of helpful development tools 
centralised in one application. After that you're on your own when it 
comes to creating an application.



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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Peter Cushing]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:
>
>   
>> Do you have a recommendation for a Linux list for a newbie?
>> 
>
>   
Ah yes,  I'd forgotten about that.  Is it well subscribed?

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Re: [OT] This is how to improve food safety

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 07:30, Nicholas Geti wrote:
> Fastest way to deal with food scares from china. http://tinyurl.com/32aotm

Hi Nicholas!

Looks like he was convicted some time ago, and executed just in time for the 
evening news. Another was convicted more recently and will get a 2 year 
reprieve, and a commutation to a life sentence if he reforms?

In perspective, though, China executes about 10,000 criminals every year. 
Seems to have minimal deterrant, and no effect on crime. More a panic 
response to evil than anything else.

What they really need to do is increase the likelihood of getting caught. But 
that would overwhelm the system, sad to say.
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RE: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Rick Schummer]

>> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework<<

Common misconception. .NET is the framework of classes, Visual Studio is the 
IDE to develop .NET
based apps. You can build .NET apps without Visual Studio (using an alternative 
IDE), but you need
the .NET framework installed to run a .NET application. 

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SplitBar

[aj]

Has anyone ever seen a window in foxpro with a split bar.  I need to 
implement something like this where the top portion and bottom portion 
of the form are resizeable.



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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Alan Bourke]

>>> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework<<
>>>   
>
>   
Yet another example of operator overloading by MS!

> You can build .NET apps without Visual Studio (using an alternative IDE), 
You can build them with Notepad if you want!


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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ted Roche]

On 7/10/07, Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My take on that was that he meant it was very much more secure if it
> doesn't go outside the building!

I think you are falling for the castle-and-moat model. The fact is
that electrons go in and out of the building at a phenomenal rate, and
through a lot of holes - telephony, TCP/IP, wireless, etc. Travelling
salesman "dial in" while on the road, CxOs operate their desktop from
their Blackberries, remote users dial in from home computers. There is
no moat.

> I know you can still use web based apps just LAN based but why would you
> bother?

Because the very next words out of the PHB's mouth after you deploy
the rich client application is "How can the salesman on the road use
this app?" or "How do we let the satellite office in Phoenix enter
data?" or "How can the London office connect?" or "How can I get this
app to work on my Palm Treo?"

> I'm just starting to play with Linux to do some simple things with and
> see how difficult/easy it is.
> Do you have a recommendation for a Linux list for a newbie?

Ed's ProLinux is far more friendly than most. I also recommend a local
user group and encourage them to start a Newbie-Night if they don't
already have one.

-- 
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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jul 10, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:

> Ah yes,  I'd forgotten about that.  Is it well subscribed?

Ted's on it. What more do you need?  ;-)

Currently there are 83 subscribers.

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Re: Task Pane Manager Error

[Garry Bettle]

On 7/7/07, Rick Schummer wrote:
> Hi Garry,
>
> When I have trouble with ZoneAlarm I hit the user forums on the ZoneLabs.com 
> site. I had trouble
> with the 6.1.737 build and it got resolved via the forum (and the eventual 
> update from Checkpoint).
> I did a search on the runtime message you are getting and I see on the forum 
> that there are a number
> of people suffering your problem. It looks like a couple of people have had 
> it fixed with some
> simple suggestions.
>
> I have 7.0 running fine and life is stable for me.
>
> Rick
> White Light Computing, Inc.
>
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> www.rickschummer.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garry Bettle
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 05:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Task Pane Manager Error
>
> 0: Class definition MSXML2.DOMDOCUMENT.4.0 is not found.
>
> Howdy all,
>
> The above error is now appearing when I start VFP 9 SP1.
>
> I had to pull the plug when ZoneAlarm* fell apart & died.  VFP was running
> at the time so I suspect that is where the trouble began.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Garry

Thanks Rick.  I'll have a look on the ZoneAlarm forum.

Does anyone have the answer to the Task Pane Manager Error?:

0: Class definition MSXML2.DOMDOCUMENT.4.0 is not found.

Cheers,

Garry


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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Peter Cushing]

Ted Roche wrote:
> Because the very next words out of the PHB's mouth after you deploy
> the rich client application is "How can the salesman on the road use
> this app?" or "How do we let the satellite office in Phoenix enter
> data?" or "How can the London office connect?" or "How can I get this
> app to work on my Palm Treo?"
>
>   
Fortunately we don't have a PHB, so design a nice desktop app and you 
can use it outside the building with some terminal server software.  We 
also have an offline version that people can put orders on with, then 
import them later.
As for the palm treo - unlucky :-D
>> I'm just starting to play with Linux to do some simple things with and
>> see how difficult/easy it is.
>> Do you have a recommendation for a Linux list for a newbie?
>> 
>
> Ed's ProLinux is far more friendly than most. I also recommend a local
> user group and encourage them to start a Newbie-Night if they don't
> already have one.
>
>   
Right, sold.  I'll join up now.

Peter




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RE: Task Pane Manager Error

[Tracy Pearson]

I'll suggest you download and install the MSXML SDK. Or find the
redistributable msxml4.dll file and register it. (google: msxml sdk
download) The only thing you get extra with the SDK is a chm help file.

Tracy

-Original Message-
From: Garry Bettle
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:31 AM

Thanks Rick.  I'll have a look on the ZoneAlarm forum.

Does anyone have the answer to the Task Pane Manager Error?:

0: Class definition MSXML2.DOMDOCUMENT.4.0 is not found.

Cheers,

Garry




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RE: SplitBar

[Tracy Pearson]

I had seen something like that once. If you take the concept of the
scrollable container, how the tab in the scrollbar works, you may be able to
come up with what you need.

Tracy

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:21 AM

Has anyone ever seen a window in foxpro with a split bar.  I need to
implement something like this where the top portion and bottom portion of
the form are resizeable.




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Re: SplitBar

[aj]

True but foxpro does not have a scrollable container. Ive always 
wondered why not.  My quest continues.
:)



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RE: SplitBar

[Profox]

I use a line between two containers (or however many required)
Allen 

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True but foxpro does not have a scrollable container. Ive always wondered
why not.  My quest continues.
:)



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RE: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Jeff Johnson]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?
> 
> On 7/10/07, Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > My take on that was that he meant it was very much more secure if it
> > doesn't go outside the building!
> 
> I think you are falling for the castle-and-moat model. The fact is
> that electrons go in and out of the building at a phenomenal rate, and
> through a lot of holes - telephony, TCP/IP, wireless, etc. Travelling
> salesman "dial in" while on the road, CxOs operate their desktop from
> their Blackberries, remote users dial in from home computers. There is
> no moat.
> 

Ted:  Maybe security was not the correct word.  Security, reliability, "up
time", "plan B" is more what I meant but that is more than one word.  For
example:  Not all of my customers have internet access, but they all have
network access to terminal servers and data file servers.  In fact this is
typical to my applications.  All of my applications do payroll for hundreds
of employees at tens of locations.  I have one app entirely on terminal
services and the others are on the desktop accessing files on the network.
If a network is going to go down, it will go down during the 6 hour window
for processing payroll on Monday morning.  Since the network relies on phone
lines, I have seen all four sites in Hawaii go down on payroll day.  So I
have built contingency plans into my applications that will allow processing
of payroll when the network is down.  When the application that is on
terminal services is down, that's it.  There is nothing people can do until
the network is restored.

I also allow for some temporary local storage in addition to network storage
for the same reason.  Have you ever asked IT for a major corporation to
restore a file from backup?  Doesn't matter if its SQL server or VFP tables,
you will not get it in time to be responsive.

My applications are using web services, sending email notifications and ftp,
connecting to remote databases; but the desktop application is the hub for
all of the activity.

While this may not be considered "best practices", this is what my
applications have evolved into and reliability is a key feature. 

Jeff

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RE: SplitBar

[Rick Schummer]

The VFP Class Browser has two splitbars in it (code in the XSource folder). The 
Class Browser code
is stellar code example, but it has what you are looking for.

Another one, and likely much better is one from Craig Boyd:

http://www.sweetpotatosoftware.com/SPSBlog/PermaLink,guid,cbfe9ce7-8b19-4374-8c52-132a853ef7b3.aspx



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Has anyone ever seen a window in foxpro with a split bar.  I need to 
implement something like this where the top portion and bottom portion 
of the form are resizeable.



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RE: SplitBar

[Malcolm Greene]

AJ,

Check Craig Boyd's blog on www.sweetpotatosoftware.com - I think he's
posted an example of a splitter control implemented in VFP.

Malcolm


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Re: SplitBar

[Malcolm Greene]

AJ,

> Scrollable container?

See Carlos Alloatti's set of awesome VFP controls (all free w/source)
including his ctl32_ scontainer.

Run, don't walk, to:

http://www.ctl32.com.ar/

All of Carlos' controls are highly recommended!

Malcolm


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Re: SplitBar

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aj wrote:
> Has anyone ever seen a window in foxpro with a split bar. 
The Class Browser !  Probably others too.
>  I need to 
> implement something like this where the top portion and bottom portion 
> of the form are resizeable
>
>
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Michael Oke, II]

MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
> Ed Leafe wrote:
>>  I certainly don't see any reason why this should be less important  
>> than, say, invading a country to satisfy the personal ambitions of  
>> our President. We like to brag that we are the richest country in the  
>> world, but at the same time we don't even care for our own people.
>>
>>  I think it also helps to phrase the question in an equal but more  
>> revealing way: Are you in favor of letting people get sick or die  
>> because they can't afford to pay for medical care?
>>   
>
> I'd like to hear from Canadians on this list to hear what they've got to 
> say about their government healthcare programs.
>
>
You won't get the answer that you are expecting or most proponents of 
"universal" health care will try to push on you.

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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ted Roche]

On 7/10/07, Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I also allow for some temporary local storage in addition to network storage
> for the same reason.  Have you ever asked IT for a major corporation to
> restore a file from backup?  Doesn't matter if its SQL server or VFP tables,
> you will not get it in time to be responsive.
>
> My applications are using web services, sending email notifications and ftp,
> connecting to remote databases; but the desktop application is the hub for
> all of the activity.
>
> While this may not be considered "best practices", this is what my
> applications have evolved into and reliability is a key feature.

Jeff:

I don't think we have any disagreement here. My clients who are
running "web" apps are using an browser to view pages generated by a
web server on their own network from a database server on their own
(intranet) network. If their DSL connection is unavailable, the app
continues unperturbed. The off-site backup doesn't work until the DSL
is restored, but they can continue to function. Remote users can't
access the app when the line is dark, but the in-house
line-of-business app keeps chugging away.

I have had clients that "had to have" internet connectivity, and they
can pay for multiple connections to servers with multiple trunks to
the internet, redundancy, fail-over routers, etc. For most of my
(relatively small) clients, this is overkill and over-bill.

Now, if only we could figure out a way to get them more reliable
electrical power...

-- 
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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

I guess that makes VFP both an IDE and a framework, since VFP provide 
everything dot.net and Visual Studio provide, but with better 
integration.  For example, VFP provides the OO classes and runtime 
engine as the Framework, and VFP provides the editor, project 
management, source code protection, installer, etc as the IDE.  VFP also 
provides RAD by putting the language, database, and drag and drop WSISUG 
tools in a tightly integrated nutshell.

VFP has its advantages, but Microsoft tended to focus more and the VFP 
disadvantages of:

1)  VFP maintained a statefull connection between the GUI clients and 
the  database tables to which they connected, which is not good over a 
slow Internet, and the industry was moving away from desktop apps 
towards web based apps like java, php, perl, python, etc.

2)  VFP required the runtime be included with the GUI client, where most 
OS(s) provide a browser by default.

3)  VFP engine used lots of memory, did not automatically manage garbage 
collection, and ran in an statefull event loop, which was great for a 
local network over NetBIOS, but not good over the Internets TCP/IP network.

4)  VFP was NOT a big money magnet for the folks at Microsoft, probably 
because Microsoft neglected its VFP product.

Still, VFP is the most productive Framework/IDE I have ever used, and 
way faster in providing for a solution than web based two/three tier apps.


Regards,

LelandJ


Rick Schummer wrote:
>>> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework<<
>>>   
>
> Common misconception. .NET is the framework of classes, Visual Studio is the 
> IDE to develop .NET
> based apps. You can build .NET apps without Visual Studio (using an 
> alternative IDE), but you need
> the .NET framework installed to run a .NET application. 
>
> Rick
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Pete Theisen]

On Monday 09 July 2007 15:03, Ed Leafe wrote:

>   But I don't know of a single doctor who likes being told by some HMO
> accountant how he should be treating (or not treating) his/her patients.
>
>   I also don't know any who think that someone should die because they
> are uninsured.

Hi Ed!

You will be most unlikely to find anyone who thinks that, those who say it 
don't really think it. However, everyone dies, no matter what the doctors do 
or don't do. The best we can do is help people retain their function and feel 
comfortable while they live.

For some time I had the policy that I would not let money keep people from 
seeing me. Eventually all of my patients were poor, some able to pay a 
little, others able to pay nothing. 

The patients able to pay the full price went to doctors who would ONLY see 
patients who pay full price. I closed the clinic in December and took my 
retirement. I still see a few patients on housecalls,
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I was not aware that i could view the code that fox is actually made of.
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Graham Dobson]

The irony is that the USA spends a larger percentage of GDP on health care
than any
other country (and by a wide margin).  You also have more doctors per
population than
any other countries except for Cuba and Italy, but don't even rank in the
top thirty for number
of hospital beds per population.  Among developed econimies the USA has the
highest percentages of
obesity and diabetes (but not cancer, aids or tuberculosis). In Europe
Universal health care stands for
universal access but provision is starting to become a matter of market
driven economics,
which is for the better I think, in other words let the people most able to
provide care at the
cheapest cost prevail.  The US clearly is not a world leader in health care
and has serious problems.
The only candidate I have seen with a properly costed and worked out
proposal on this issue is the
democrat John Edwards.  Clearly his solution is expensive and more or less
socialist.  Better
to study the belated reforms introduced by Tony Blair in England I think.
Graham.


> MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
> > Ed Leafe wrote:
> >> I certainly don't see any reason why this should be less important
> >> than, say, invading a country to satisfy the personal ambitions of
> >> our President. We like to brag that we are the richest country in the
> >> world, but at the same time we don't even care for our own people.
> >>
> >> I think it also helps to phrase the question in an equal but more
> >> revealing way: Are you in favor of letting people get sick or die
> >> because they can't afford to pay for medical care?
> >>
> >
> > I'd like to hear from Canadians on this list to hear what they've got to
> > say about their government healthcare programs.
> >
> >
> You won't get the answer that you are expecting or most proponents of
> "universal" health care will try to push on you.
>
> ::michael
>
>
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RE: [OT] How about a real first lady?

[Michael Madigan]

http://lesbianstudies.com/oldsite/hillary.htm


--- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well given you mentioned Hillary first where is your
> evidence on her as
> I'm sure you could use that to scupper her 2008
> campaign?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> 
>
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/herstory/a/Eleanor.htm
> 
> 
> 
> --- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Ahem...alleged unless you have the proof no one
> has
> > been able to find.
> > 
> > 
> > ::a
> > 
> > PS Damn shouldn't have read that biography of
> > Hillary whilst on holiday, wasn't that helpful and
> > up to date either! 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > 
> > Contrast and compare his wife to lesbians like
> > Hillary
> > Clinton and Eleanor Roosevelt.  Bill's saying to
> > himself, "damn".
> 
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:49, Graham Dobson wrote:
> market driven economics, which is for the better I think, in other words let 
> the people most able to provide care at the cheapest cost prevail.

Hi Graham!

Is this what people want, the cheapest possible health care? Do you buy the 
cheapest car? Do you use the cheapest computer? Do people want to use the 
cheapest developer? Does anyone want to live in the cheapest house? How about 
using the cheapest toilet paper?

My own prejudice is to blame the insurance companies, and call for real 
regulation of them as opposed to the rubber-stamp regulation we have.
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Michael Madigan]

I'm not sure where you're getting this information
that the United States isn't the leader in health
care.

Are you saying the healthcare for its deadbeats aren't
as good as in the UK?

I can assure you that the healthcare for the
gainfully-employed American is the best in the world.


--- Graham Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The irony is that the USA spends a larger percentage
> of GDP on health care
> than any
> other country (and by a wide margin).  You also have
> more doctors per
> population than
> any other countries except for Cuba and Italy, but
> don't even rank in the
> top thirty for number
> of hospital beds per population.  Among developed
> econimies the USA has the
> highest percentages of
> obesity and diabetes (but not cancer, aids or
> tuberculosis). In Europe
> Universal health care stands for
> universal access but provision is starting to become
> a matter of market
> driven economics,
> which is for the better I think, in other words let
> the people most able to
> provide care at the
> cheapest cost prevail.  The US clearly is not a
> world leader in health care
> and has serious problems.
> The only candidate I have seen with a properly
> costed and worked out
> proposal on this issue is the
> democrat John Edwards.  Clearly his solution is
> expensive and more or less
> socialist.  Better
> to study the belated reforms introduced by Tony
> Blair in England I think.
> Graham.
> 
> 
> > MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
> > > Ed Leafe wrote:
> > >> I certainly don't see any reason why this
> should be less important
> > >> than, say, invading a country to satisfy the
> personal ambitions of
> > >> our President. We like to brag that we are the
> richest country in the
> > >> world, but at the same time we don't even care
> for our own people.
> > >>
> > >> I think it also helps to phrase the question in
> an equal but more
> > >> revealing way: Are you in favor of letting
> people get sick or die
> > >> because they can't afford to pay for medical
> care?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear from Canadians on this list to
> hear what they've got to
> > > say about their government healthcare programs.
> > >
> > >
> > You won't get the answer that you are expecting or
> most proponents of
> > "universal" health care will try to push on you.
> >
> > ::michael
> >
> >
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Re: [OT] How about a real first lady?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:54, Michael Madigan wrote:
> http://lesbianstudies.com/oldsite/hillary.htm
>
> --- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well given you mentioned Hillary first where is your
> > evidence on her as
> > I'm sure you could use that to scupper her 2008

Hi Michael, Adam!

Ugh, disgusting. I usually have no problem with female gay/bi but H-woman is 
the exception.
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:59, Michael Madigan wrote:
> I'm not sure where you're getting this information
> that the United States isn't the leader in health
> care.
>
> Are you saying the healthcare for its deadbeats aren't
> as good as in the UK?

Hi Michael!

Around here nearly everyone who works for a living is either poor or very 
poor. For them there is some health care, but it is catch as catch can. I 
know a number of cases where a husband and wife are both working, one or the 
other spends almost their whole income on health and/or health insurance, and 
they still can't get what they need paid for.
-- 
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RE: SplitBar

[Tracy Pearson]

_vfp.DoCmd([!explorer "] + Home() + [tools\xsource"])

In the explorer window that opens is an xsource.zip file. You'll find the
code in there.

Tracy


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Thanks guys very helpful.
I was not aware that i could view the code that fox is actually made of.
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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Michael Madigan]

Cheap toilet paper?  Not me!

I trust Mr. Whipple.



--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:49, Graham Dobson wrote:
> > market driven economics, which is for the better I
> think, in other words let 
> > the people most able to provide care at the
> cheapest cost prevail.
> 
> Hi Graham!
> 
> Is this what people want, the cheapest possible
> health care? Do you buy the 
> cheapest car? Do you use the cheapest computer? Do
> people want to use the 
> cheapest developer? Does anyone want to live in the
> cheapest house? How about 
> using the cheapest toilet paper?
> 
> My own prejudice is to blame the insurance
> companies, and call for real 
> regulation of them as opposed to the rubber-stamp
> regulation we have.
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
> 
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Re: [OT] How about a real first lady?

[Michael Madigan]

Can you imagine getting jiggy with Donna Shalala?  

Barfo


--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:54, Michael Madigan
> wrote:
> > http://lesbianstudies.com/oldsite/hillary.htm
> >
> > --- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Well given you mentioned Hillary first where is
> your
> > > evidence on her as
> > > I'm sure you could use that to scupper her 2008
> 
> Hi Michael, Adam!
> 
> Ugh, disgusting. I usually have no problem with
> female gay/bi but H-woman is 
> the exception.
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
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Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Kevin Cully]

I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?

SELECT * FROM MySchemaName.MyTableName

instead of just

SELECT * FROM MyTableName

Perhaps I don't have the security set up properly for my User or Group?

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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Michael Madigan]

Health care and health insurance are two separate but
related issues.

We have the finest doctors in the world

We have a greedy insurance industry.

We have a greedy legal industry.

Let's reform the insurance industry, thereby lowering
costs.

Let's put lawyers like John Edwards, who sues doctors
for birth defects, in jail for fraud.  That will lower
costs too.

Let's make some prescriptions available on a very long
term basis.  for instance, I get a bad sinus infection
once a year.  I know what it is.  I should be able to
walk into a pharmacy and get a 10-day supply once a
year, without spending 100 bucks for an office visit.




--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 July 2007 12:59, Michael Madigan
> wrote:
> > I'm not sure where you're getting this information
> > that the United States isn't the leader in health
> > care.
> >
> > Are you saying the healthcare for its deadbeats
> aren't
> > as good as in the UK?
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> Around here nearly everyone who works for a living
> is either poor or very 
> poor. For them there is some health care, but it is
> catch as catch can. I 
> know a number of cases where a husband and wife are
> both working, one or the 
> other spends almost their whole income on health
> and/or health insurance, and 
> they still can't get what they need paid for.
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
> 
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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

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On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
> and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
> schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?

Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
connection or ConnectionString?

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Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 13:57, Michael Madigan wrote:

> We have the finest doctors in the world

Hi Michael!

Well, yes and no. We had a guy here in town who diagnosed EVERY person who 
came in to see him with cancer and performed office surgery on all who would 
consent to it, to the tune of some $10,000 a day, for years. Of course, not 
all of them had cancer.

He drew what for him will amount to a life sentence, which he is appealing, 
wouldn't you know. They would never have caught him but he pissed off one of 
his nurses and she turned him in.

There are thousands of guys doing bad medicine. They hire stunningly pretty 
receptionists and pay all their staff better than average wages, if they are 
thinking. Thus they enjoy a home-grown fine reputation as the best there is 
at whatever they do. As long as the payola flows, mum is the word, everyone 
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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Perhaps the same database name exist under two different schema, one of 
which is probably the default public schema.

http://sql-info.de/postgresql/schemas.html

Regards,

LelandJ

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
>> and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
>> schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?
>> 
>
> Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
> connection or ConnectionString?
>
>   



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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Kevin Cully]

Here's what I'm using to connect:

lcConnectString = "Driver={PostgreSQL Unicode}" + ;
   ";Server="+ THIS.cServer+;
   ";Database="+ THIS.cDatabase+;
   ";Uid="+THIS.cUser+;
   ";Pwd="+THIS.cPassWord


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Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
foxforward.net


Ted Roche wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
>> and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
>> schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?
> 
> Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
> connection or ConnectionString?
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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Kevin Cully]

Could be.  I guess naming a database the same as a schema would result
in some confusion, eh?  Who would do THAT!!!

Gotta go adjust some stuff.

-Kevin
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
foxforward.net


Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Perhaps the same database name exist under two different schema, one of 
> which is probably the default public schema.
> 
> http://sql-info.de/postgresql/schemas.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Ted Roche wrote:
>> On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
>>> and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
>>> schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?
>>> 
>> Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
>> connection or ConnectionString?
>>
>>   
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

[David Crooks]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:23 PM Pete Theisen wrote:

>Well, yes and no. We had a guy here in town who diagnosed EVERY person
who came >in to see him with cancer and performed office surgery on all
who would consent >to it, to the tune of some $10,000 a day, for years.
Of course, not all of them >had cancer.

>He drew what for him will amount to a life sentence, which he is
appealing, 
>wouldn't you know. They would never have caught him but he pissed off
one of 
>his nurses and she turned him in.

>There are thousands of guys doing bad medicine. They hire stunningly
pretty 
>receptionists and pay all their staff better than average wages, if
they are 
>thinking. Thus they enjoy a home-grown fine reputation as the best
there is at >whatever they do. As long as the payola flows, mum is the
word, everyone 
>getting a cut.

I am reading Kevin Trudeau's _Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to
Know About_ book and he says over and over that it is all about the
money!  Now that drug companies are buying ads on TV then the stations
can't say anything bad about them so they don't lose the revenue.  The
only reason they started to list the side effects is so you would get
used to them and then you will need another drug to fix the side effect.

There was a story out today that people are addicted to food.  That is
because the food 'manufactures' put MSG and other chemicals you do not
need to make you eat more and buy more food and drugs.

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[NF] Changing C drive size on raid 5 Dell configuration

[Michael Madigan]

I have a dell server 2500 with 5 16 GB drives in a
RAID 5 configuration.  The OS is Windows 2000 server.

It was configured at the factory for 2 logical drives

C - 4 GB
D - CD ROM
E - 64 GB.


With all the windows updates, etc, my C drive, the OS
Drive, is nearly filled and reporting less than 500 MB
free of the original 4 gb that was set up by Dell.

1.  Can I change the size of it?
2.  I can't seem to find the correct utility to do it.




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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

You can have several schemas under the same database, and you can use 
the same table name and fields under the different schemas.  When this 
occurs you need to give the full path to which table and field you are 
addressing, since the same table name my exist more than once under one 
database, but with different schema's.

Regards,

LelandJ


Kevin Cully wrote:
> Could be.  I guess naming a database the same as a schema would result
> in some confusion, eh?  Who would do THAT!!!
>
> Gotta go adjust some stuff.
>
> -Kevin
> CULLY Technologies, LLC
>
> Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
> foxforward.net
>
>
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> Perhaps the same database name exist under two different schema, one of 
>> which is probably the default public schema.
>>
>> http://sql-info.de/postgresql/schemas.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>> Ted Roche wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
 and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
 schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?
 
 
>>> Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
>>> connection or ConnectionString?
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>
>> 
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RE: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Jeff Johnson]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP
> 
> Could be.  I guess naming a database the same as a schema would result
> in some confusion, eh?  Who would do THAT!!!
> 
> Gotta go adjust some stuff.
> 
> -Kevin
> CULLY Technologies, LLC
> 
> Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
> foxforward.net
> 

Kevin:  I don't know if this is related, but I was working with MSSQL Server
and I ran into something similar.  I was using ODBC with VFP.  When I made a
connection to a database I could not read the tables unless I referenced the
database.

Connect to rbsi

Select * from sometableinrbsi && would not work

Select * from rbsi.sometableinrbsi&& works fine and I have used this
format for all of my select statements.

Jeff 

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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Allowing the same table names to be used under one database, but 
different schemas, would allow a PostgreSQL application to be run within 
one database but different schemas.  For example, if the ISP provides 
one database for $10.00 per month, you could host your application for 
an unlimited number of clients within the single database, but each 
client would need their own schema, and the application would need some 
way to provide the full path, including schema, to its tables.  Cool.
 
Regards,

LelandJ

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> You can have several schemas under the same database, and you can use 
> the same table name and fields under the different schemas.  When this 
> occurs you need to give the full path to which table and field you are 
> addressing, since the same table name my exist more than once under one 
> database, but with different schema's.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
>
> Kevin Cully wrote:
>   
>> Could be.  I guess naming a database the same as a schema would result
>> in some confusion, eh?  Who would do THAT!!!
>>
>> Gotta go adjust some stuff.
>>
>> -Kevin
>> CULLY Technologies, LLC
>>
>> Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
>> foxforward.net
>>
>>
>> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Perhaps the same database name exist under two different schema, one of 
>>> which is probably the default public schema.
>>>
>>> http://sql-info.de/postgresql/schemas.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> LelandJ
>>>
>>> Ted Roche wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 On 7/10/07, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   
   
 
> I'm working on migrating an application from VFP tables to PostgreSQL
> and I'm running into something curious.  I'm having to specify the
> schema in addition to the table name.  Is this normal?
> 
> 
>   
 Do you have the database (schema) set as the default in the ODBC
 connection or ConnectionString?

   
   
 
>>> 
>>>   
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Who wants an iPhone now?

[Stephen . Russell]

Is it rumor or is it real?



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Re: [NF] Changing C drive size on raid 5 Dell configuration

[Richard Kaye]

There was a company called Powerquest that had a great product called 
Partition Magic. They were bought several years ago by Symantec so I'm 
not sure of the state of that product now but there used to be a server 
based version.

Michael Madigan wrote:
> I have a dell server 2500 with 5 16 GB drives in a
> RAID 5 configuration.  The OS is Windows 2000 server.
>
> It was configured at the factory for 2 logical drives
>
> C - 4 GB
> D - CD ROM
> E - 64 GB.
>
>
> With all the windows updates, etc, my C drive, the OS
> Drive, is nearly filled and reporting less than 500 MB
> free of the original 4 gb that was set up by Dell.
>
> 1.  Can I change the size of it?
> 2.  I can't seem to find the correct utility to do it.
>   

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Re: [NF] Changing C drive size on raid 5 Dell configuration

[Michael Madigan]

OK, so if I understand RAID correctly, Both the C and
the E drive are contained over the 5 physical disks.

I don't understand why that isn't part of the RAID
software?




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> great product called 
> Partition Magic. They were bought several years ago
> by Symantec so I'm 
> not sure of the state of that product now but there
> used to be a server 
> based version.
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > I have a dell server 2500 with 5 16 GB drives in a
> > RAID 5 configuration.  The OS is Windows 2000
> server.
> >
> > It was configured at the factory for 2 logical
> drives
> >
> > C - 4 GB
> > D - CD ROM
> > E - 64 GB.
> >
> >
> > With all the windows updates, etc, my C drive, the
> OS
> > Drive, is nearly filled and reporting less than
> 500 MB
> > free of the original 4 gb that was set up by Dell.
> >
> > 1.  Can I change the size of it?
> > 2.  I can't seem to find the correct utility to do
> it.
> >   
> 
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[JOB] USA based outfit needs Foxpro / Dos programmer

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Re: [NF] Changing C drive size on raid 5 Dell configuration

[Richard Kaye]

It might be but otoh it might not. The great thing about PM was it could 
resize and reallocate space without you having to back everything up, 
wipe it down to the metal, recreate the new partition structure, 
reinstall the OS and restore/reinstall your data and apps. And in its 
earlier versions, it also supported OS/2...

Michael Madigan wrote:
> OK, so if I understand RAID correctly, Both the C and
> the E drive are contained over the 5 physical disks.
>
> I don't understand why that isn't part of the RAID
> software?
>   

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Re: [JOB] USA based outfit needs Foxpro / Dos programmer

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On Tuesday 10 July 2007 16:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>
> Get a look at that salary.  I'd pick up FPD again for that kind of money!

Hi Stephen!

Good deal if you can relocate overseas, and outrun the 'slim ransom kidnappers 
cum head choppers. Were I interviewing for it I would find out *where* 
overseas and by-the-way what happened to the last guy.

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[NF] Good .NET email lists?

[Fletcher Johnson]

Hi all,

 

Like some of you, I have been using .NET for a while.  Do you know of any
email lists like this one that focus on .NET?

 

Thanks,

 

Fletcher 

 

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[NF] Dell RAID rebuild error

[Michael Madigan]

One of my RAID 5 drives died.  I pulled out the old
one and plugged in the new one.  It immediately
started rebuilding.

Looking at the array manager today, I see that it
finished rebuilding and logical drive E reports fine,
but Logical drive C reports "failed redundancy".

I don't understand how that can be when both logical
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Does anyone know?


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Re: [OT] Get guns that will stop trucks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> Hi Everybody!
> 
> Need BIG guns, however.
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3357527

Sure mate! If that girl the truck hit had only had a gun!



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Re: [OT] Hey Ricardo, how do you like Global Warming?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070709220200.0lbsxdw6&cat=null
> 
> 2008 Presidential Campaign Gear
> 
> 
> 

Hi Mikey! (hey, I'm as polite as Petey!)

First time in 80 years we have snow in BA (Though you should know my
country goes right up to the south pole, so we don't lack snow). I was
about to explain (once more) it has nothing to do with global warming
but hey! I remembered you had a degree in stubbornness (I think you also
majored in applied racism, didn't you?) so it is wasted effort.
Cheers mate. Kiss to the missus (that would be Petey)


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RE: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Stephen the Cook]

Jeff Johnson <> wrote:

> I also allow for some temporary local storage in addition to network
> storage for the same reason.  Have you ever asked IT for a major
> corporation to restore a file from backup?  Doesn't matter if its SQL
> server or VFP tables, you will not get it in time to be responsive.   
> 
> My applications are using web services, sending email notifications
> and ftp, connecting to remote databases; but the desktop application
> is the hub for all of the activity.  
> 
> While this may not be considered "best practices", this is what my
> applications have evolved into and reliability is a key feature. 

At my current gig we are talking about much the same thing.  Deliver data in
a webservice style for auto information and keep the local business owner
data local.

This is AutoZone and the brand I deal with is Alldata. 



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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Ken Dibble]

> > I mean, really, who cares about Fibonacci
> > sequences?
>Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code?   :-)   That's the first time
>I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.

I read the book. It was the first time I'd seen the inside of a church 
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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Kevin Cully]

Thanks Jeff.  I'm going to run some tests tomorrow to see if I've messed
something up.  I'd prefer not to have to specify the schema ... but if I
gotta, I gotta.

-Kevin
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
foxforward.net


Jeff Johnson wrote:
> Kevin:  I don't know if this is related, but I was working with MSSQL Server
> and I ran into something similar.  I was using ODBC with VFP.  When I made a
> connection to a database I could not read the tables unless I referenced the
> database.
> 
> Connect to rbsi
> 
> Select * from sometableinrbsi && would not work
> 
> Select * from rbsi.sometableinrbsi&& works fine and I have used this
> format for all of my select statements.




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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[Ken Dibble]

> > My take on that was that he meant it was very much more secure if it
> > doesn't go outside the building!
>
>I think you are falling for the castle-and-moat model. The fact is
>that electrons go in and out of the building at a phenomenal rate, and
>through a lot of holes - telephony, TCP/IP, wireless, etc. Travelling
>salesman "dial in" while on the road, CxOs operate their desktop from
>their Blackberries, remote users dial in from home computers. There is
>no moat.
>
> > I know you can still use web based apps just LAN based but why would you
> > bother?
>
>Because the very next words out of the PHB's mouth after you deploy
>the rich client application is "How can the salesman on the road use
>this app?" or "How do we let the satellite office in Phoenix enter
>data?" or "How can the London office connect?" or "How can I get this
>app to work on my Palm Treo?"

Perhaps the defining consideration is, what sort of organization is it? 
There are literally millions of organizations in the world that can use 
customized database software that do not and will never have a traveling 
salesperson, a London office, or a need for people to walk around with 
crackberries glued to their fingers. These are the organizations for whom 
web applications provide nowhere near enough benefit to compensate for 
their eternally clunky, slow, and inflexible nature.

This is where desktop apps are needed, it's the arena toward which VFP was 
targeted, and it's a huge market that now no longer has a single major 
player serving it.

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[NF] Scoble: Microsoft Is Run By Geeks

[MB Software Solutions]

Courtesy Carl/VFUG:

 Original Message 

 >From the VFUG.Org List Server:

Scoble: Microsoft Is Run By Geeks | WebProNews:
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/07/09/scoble-microsoft-is-run-by-geeks


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Re: If dabo did the web would it look like this?

[MB Software Solutions]

Ted Roche wrote:
> I'll be interested in the answer to that one, too. For me, I enjoy the
> high-level discussion of development issues. I still recall a little
> bit about FoxPro to share here and there. And there's always MB to
> hassle. Despite belonging to another half-dozen LUG lists, Python
> lists, Ruby lists, and developer groups, this list still has some of
> the best [NF] discussions.
>
>   

I'm glad to be of good use to you, TR, even if not for tech stuff.  

I agree with your statement though about good discussionswell, some 
of them!

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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[MB Software Solutions]

Jeff Johnson wrote:
> Kevin:  I don't know if this is related, but I was working with MSSQL Server
> and I ran into something similar.  I was using ODBC with VFP.  When I made a
> connection to a database I could not read the tables unless I referenced the
> database.
>
> Connect to rbsi
>
> Select * from sometableinrbsi && would not work
>
> Select * from rbsi.sometableinrbsi&& works fine and I have used this
> format for all of my select statements.
>
>   

I think I recall having to do that with Oracle (8 or 9)i also.

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OT: Free ide's for perl and/or python

[Lew]

Recommendations for a complete newbie, please. I'm sticking to Windows for a 
while. Keep your snickers and
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RE: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[Jeff Johnson]

Kevin:  From day one I have learned to do the verbose with no shortcuts.
For example, I define all of my variables in VFP as I did in COBOL and RPG
and C even though it is not required.  I doesn't hurt, makes your programs
easier to read and will always work.  If you ever looked at anything Drew
Speedie did you will find this also.  No shortcuts.

I really have a hard time with folks that only use 4 characters for
keywords.  I ran across one today that needed 5.  Bill, where are your
quizzes?  

Jeff

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP
> 
> Thanks Jeff.  I'm going to run some tests tomorrow to see if I've messed
> something up.  I'd prefer not to have to specify the schema ... but if I
> gotta, I gotta.
> 
> -Kevin
> CULLY Technologies, LLC
> 
> Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
> foxforward.net
> 
> 
> Jeff Johnson wrote:
> > Kevin:  I don't know if this is related, but I was working with MSSQL
> Server
> > and I ran into something similar.  I was using ODBC with VFP.  When I
> made a
> > connection to a database I could not read the tables unless I referenced
> the
> > database.
> >
> > Connect to rbsi
> >
> > Select * from sometableinrbsi && would not work
> >
> > Select * from rbsi.sometableinrbsi&& works fine and I have used this
> > format for all of my select statements.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Specifying schema when accessing PostgreSQL from VFP

[MB Software Solutions]

Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I really have a hard time with folks that only use 4 characters for
> keywords.  I ran across one today that needed 5. 

They're holdouts from the pre-Intellisense days.  

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