Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Michael Madigan]

We made one a month ago that was unbelievably good.   

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Stephen Russell  wrote:

> From: Stephen Russell 
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 3:56 PM
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Pete
> Theisen 
> wrote:
> 
> > The fat is the best part.
> > --
> 
> Pete, you should try to look away for beef and factor in
> more pork /
> chicken instead.
> 
> I bet you could find a crock pot at the many different
> second sale
> shops for 5.00 or so.
> 
> Buy at the grocery chicken and or beef bullion store brand
> or get some
> from someone at Sams and split it.
> 
> Now you can season the water your are going to cook your
> meat(s) in
> then bag them and freeze them for later consumptin. 
> the old buy and
> cook in bulk is cheaper.
> 
> A pork butt will take 6 to 8 hrs to cook, but the volume of
> meat after
> wards is tremendous.  toss in 1/2 an onion as well
> into the crock.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Michael Madigan]

A Dutch oven is just a large covered pot.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/ProductDisplay?partNumber=00830617000P&storeId=10153&sName=Casseroles+&psid=FROOGLE01&vName=For+the+Home&cName=Cookware&catalogId=12605&sid=IDx20070921x3a


Any cut of meat tastes great after a long, slow cook.


I hear Raccoon is awesome too.


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Paul Hill  wrote:

> From: Paul Hill 
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop
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> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:36 PM
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Pete
> Theisen 
> wrote:
> > Michael Madigan wrote:
> >> You can slow cook meat in a dutch oven.   Recipes
> are on the internet.   The lower and slower the better.
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > Such a treasure as a "dutch oven" is beyond me, I run
> out of money on
> > the 15th every month, remember?
> 
> A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you
> call them
> crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The
> best thing is you can buy
> the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on
> the low
> setting and end up with a tasty meal.
> 
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Re: [NF] Bank's cost to handle an $80 overdraft for 2 days

[Pete Theisen]

Richard Quilhot wrote:
> The fed rate is at zero or nearly so.
> The fees that the bank charges are 99.999% pure profit

Hi Richard,

Well!

They sent me a notice, that cost them 50 cents.

>> Does anyone know how much it really costs a bank to handle an $80
>> overdraft for two days? They might charge $35, but what does it cost?
>>
>> My credit union hit me for $29 when my electric bill came in two days
>> before the Social Security Check last month. They refunded it when I
>> complained but they said the fed charges them for the funds, there are
>> computer costs, etc.
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Re: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Pete Theisen]

Jim Felton wrote:

> Pete, just a thought you can't buy a
> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2J in the
> US, but you can buy a
> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2
> 
> Things that my me go Hum.

Hi Jim,

Probably the voltage.
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RE: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Jim Felton]

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Jim Felton wrote:
> Pete, all the APC units we use are rack mounts. If you remove the front
> panel and the cover over the battery, you should find a set of plastic
> connectors with a red and black wire in each side. One end goes the
> batteries and the other to the charge circuit. Most of the time one of the
> connectors has a small rope pull attached to aid with disconnection of the
> connectors. Pull the connectors apart. If you have the connectors don't
try
> to remove the wires from the batteries as the terminals on the battery
tend
> to break off.
> 
> This link will take you to the style of APC units we use.  You can look up
> your UPS on the same site. 
>
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUR
> TA1500RMXL2U&total_watts=50

Hi Jim,

I have these:

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK3
50&total_watts=200

Two good ones, and this one that doesn't work. I think they were around 
$40. The battery might be $50, if you could even find it. Oh, wait, 
there are links.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2J

Don't know which one to get - they look the same.
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Pete, just a thought you can't buy a
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2J in the
US, but you can buy a
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2

Things that my me go Hum.

Jim
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Re: [NF] Hot APC battery

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Pete Theisen wrote:
> Jim Felton wrote:
>> Pete, all the APC units we use are rack mounts. If you remove the front

>> This link will take you to the style of APC units we use.  You can look up
>> your UPS on the same site. 
>> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUR
>> TA1500RMXL2U&total_watts=50
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> I have these:
> 
> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK350&total_watts=200
> 
> Two good ones, and this one that doesn't work. I think they were around 
> $40. The battery might be $50, if you could even find it. Oh, wait, 
> there are links.
> 
> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2
> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2J
> 
> Don't know which one to get - they look the same.

Battery costs what the UPS costs, so get a new UPS.

http://www.apc.com/tools/upgrade_selector/index.cfm
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Re: [NF] Bank's cost to handle an $80 overdraft for 2 days

[Richard Quilhot]

The fed rate is at zero or nearly so.
The fees that the bank charges are 99.999% pure profit

Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A.
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Retail Reporting Analyst for Flagstar Bank

Pablo Picasso
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Does anyone know how much it really costs a bank to handle an $80
> overdraft for two days? They might charge $35, but what does it cost?
>
> My credit union hit me for $29 when my electric bill came in two days
> before the Social Security Check last month. They refunded it when I
> complained but they said the fed charges them for the funds, there are
> computer costs, etc.
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>
> Pete
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>
>
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Re: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Pete Theisen]

Jim Felton wrote:
> Pete, all the APC units we use are rack mounts. If you remove the front
> panel and the cover over the battery, you should find a set of plastic
> connectors with a red and black wire in each side. One end goes the
> batteries and the other to the charge circuit. Most of the time one of the
> connectors has a small rope pull attached to aid with disconnection of the
> connectors. Pull the connectors apart. If you have the connectors don't try
> to remove the wires from the batteries as the terminals on the battery tend
> to break off.
> 
> This link will take you to the style of APC units we use.  You can look up
> your UPS on the same site. 
> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUR
> TA1500RMXL2U&total_watts=50

Hi Jim,

I have these:

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK350&total_watts=200

Two good ones, and this one that doesn't work. I think they were around 
$40. The battery might be $50, if you could even find it. Oh, wait, 
there are links.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC2J

Don't know which one to get - they look the same.
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> 
>> The fat is the best part.

> A pork butt will take 6 to 8 hrs to cook, but the volume of meat after
> wards is tremendous.  toss in 1/2 an onion as well into the crock.

Hi Steve,

I checked with the meat guy at the Publix and he *gave* me a food 
thermometer and showed me how to calibrate it with ice water.

http://www.taylorusa.com/using-bitherm

When the check comes in a couple of weeks I will try one of those pork 
butts.

Price is not great, though. $1.79 lb (on sale when I don't have any 
money) and you wouldn't know how much the bone weighs. The pork I am 
buying now in small pieces is $1.99 so not that much of a saving.

There is a "Sam's Club" in town but it is a 20 mile round trip and you 
have to be a member.
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RE: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Jim Felton]

Pete, all the APC units we use are rack mounts. If you remove the front
panel and the cover over the battery, you should find a set of plastic
connectors with a red and black wire in each side. One end goes the
batteries and the other to the charge circuit. Most of the time one of the
connectors has a small rope pull attached to aid with disconnection of the
connectors. Pull the connectors apart. If you have the connectors don't try
to remove the wires from the batteries as the terminals on the battery tend
to break off.

This link will take you to the style of APC units we use.  You can look up
your UPS on the same site. 
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUR
TA1500RMXL2U&total_watts=50

Good luck,
Jim


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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Hot APC battery

Jim Felton wrote:
> Pete, we use APC UPSs all over the station. We have found they will run
warm
> when on battery power.  If they feel hot I would suggest you pull the
> battery and check for blistering.  We have found the UPS will pass the
self
> test and have a battery that has melted the plastic battery housing to the
> point they have blistered. 

Hi Jim,

The battery is connected by a couple of wires that don't *want* to come 
off. How do you remove them?

Unless they are disconnected you can only see part of the battery.

> The last power failure one of my APCs did not maintain the power. The 
> battery is quite hot, like a cheap notebook. However, the "Replace 
> Battery" light is not on. Is the whole APC shot, or just the battery?
> 
> "Back-UPS CS 3 5 0" is on the front of it.
> 
> Not a lot of info on the apc website
> 
> http://www.apc.com/support/
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> Pete Theisen wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> You would think after 37 years of living alone I would know this, but I 
>> don't. What temperature should I use to cook meat on the stove top?
>>
>> The choices are 1 through 6 and "sim", sim being the lowest temperature 
>> and 1 being the hottest. No idea what that means in F or C.
> 
> Update:
> 
> "sim" gives a thermometer reading of 200 F after an hour in an empty 
> pan. I don't know if this would get through a piece of meat in an hour 
> or not.
> 
> Yesterday I got 275 after 40 minutes on "3".

A hamburger patty wrapped in foil was well done but not burned in 25 
minutes at "3" turned over at 12 minutes.
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> You would think after 37 years of living alone I would know this, but I 
> don't. What temperature should I use to cook meat on the stove top?
> 
> The choices are 1 through 6 and "sim", sim being the lowest temperature 
> and 1 being the hottest. No idea what that means in F or C.

Update:

"sim" gives a thermometer reading of 200 F after an hour in an empty 
pan. I don't know if this would get through a piece of meat in an hour 
or not.

Yesterday I got 275 after 40 minutes on "3".

> I intend to wrap the meat in non-stick foil to contain most of the mess, 
> and put a cover on the (iron) pan so I don't have splatters all over.
> 
> I have been using George Foreman grilles, but these are made in China 
> and fail after a couple of months. Sometimes I get them replaced under 
> warranty but usually they fail right after the warranty expires. Arrgh!


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Re: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Pete Theisen]

Jim Felton wrote:
> Pete, we use APC UPSs all over the station. We have found they will run warm
> when on battery power.  If they feel hot I would suggest you pull the
> battery and check for blistering.  We have found the UPS will pass the self
> test and have a battery that has melted the plastic battery housing to the
> point they have blistered. 

Hi Jim,

The battery is connected by a couple of wires that don't *want* to come 
off. How do you remove them?

Unless they are disconnected you can only see part of the battery.

> The last power failure one of my APCs did not maintain the power. The 
> battery is quite hot, like a cheap notebook. However, the "Replace 
> Battery" light is not on. Is the whole APC shot, or just the battery?
> 
> "Back-UPS CS 3 5 0" is on the front of it.
> 
> Not a lot of info on the apc website
> 
> http://www.apc.com/support/
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RE: TeeChart V7 ActiveX control

[Allen]

I will look it out tomorrow
Al

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Allen wrote:
> It comes with a help file. What do you want to know ?
> I use this mainly for Gantt charts.
> Al
Hi Al

I have a registered version of the control but the help file is missing 
 lost in the flood ...

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Re: TeeChart V7 ActiveX control

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Allen wrote:
> It comes with a help file. What do you want to know ?
> I use this mainly for Gantt charts.
> Al
Hi Al

I have a registered version of the control but the help file is missing 
 lost in the flood ...

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RE: [NF] Hot APC battery

[Jim Felton]

Pete, we use APC UPSs all over the station. We have found they will run warm
when on battery power.  If they feel hot I would suggest you pull the
battery and check for blistering.  We have found the UPS will pass the self
test and have a battery that has melted the plastic battery housing to the
point they have blistered. 

Jim

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Subject: [NF] Hot APC battery

Hi Everybody,

The last power failure one of my APCs did not maintain the power. The 
battery is quite hot, like a cheap notebook. However, the "Replace 
Battery" light is not on. Is the whole APC shot, or just the battery?

"Back-UPS CS 3 5 0" is on the front of it.

Not a lot of info on the apc website

http://www.apc.com/support/
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[NF] Hot APC battery

[Pete Theisen]

Hi Everybody,

The last power failure one of my APCs did not maintain the power. The 
battery is quite hot, like a cheap notebook. However, the "Replace 
Battery" light is not on. Is the whole APC shot, or just the battery?

"Back-UPS CS 3 5 0" is on the front of it.

Not a lot of info on the apc website

http://www.apc.com/support/
-- 
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Michael Madigan]

As in Jean bleus.  

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jean Laeremans  wrote:

> From: Jean Laeremans 
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:55 AM
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM,
> Stephen Russell 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?
>  Color or other
> > method is fine.
> >
> > Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a
> great deal of
> > sense to me.
> 
> should be:
> bleu, saignant,à point etc.. oc 
> 
> Bloody foreigners
> 
> A+
> jml
> 
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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Michael Madigan]

Everyone releases them except this slug.

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Adam Buckland  wrote:

> From: Adam Buckland 
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 8:57 AM
> Because his school and medical
> records are none of your or my business.
> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school
> records) for them
> to be released. You have no right to see my records and I
> have no right
> to see yours.
> 
> If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take
> office then
> that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't
> a judge
> ordered him to?
> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com
> [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the
> Ropes
> 
> > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal
> definitions of a natural
> > born citizen... when there was no country to be a
> citizen of... Also
> > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you
> take the
> parents
> > aren't US citizens and include English law to which
> the posting points
> > towards...
> > " every child born in England of alien parents was a
> natural-born
> > subject".
> 
> The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how
> difficult a
> legal issue it really is when you start sifting through
> nuances about
> parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in
> defining who a
> citizen
> is, etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> 
> Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most
> basic levels is a
> mess. 
> 
> His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His
> step father was
> a
> citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a
> dual citizen
> on
> some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and
> Indonesia. I'd
> like
> to see his college records just to see what his records
> say... Was he
> perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> 
> The dude has something on his long form birth certificate,
> school
> records
> and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be
> protecting and
> defending
> them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or
> pretending the short
> form
> suffices to prove his eligibility.
> 
> The man is now President of the United States for crying
> out loud... but
> all
> his vital records are sealed. Why?
> 
> > 
> > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists
> and those who
> > just want to divert attention from a new government
> taking over from
> > the
> > most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the
> issue of
> paternity
> may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis),
> and started out
> technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a
> curious
> thing.
> 
> If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so
> many lawsuits
> from
> so many different sources in so many municipalities across
> the country
> challenging the so called established facts, nor would the
> main reason
> for
> the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but
> rather lack
> of
> standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over
> it that made
> it
> past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for
> January 26, 2010,
> in a
> California court, which the Justice Dept is trying
> desperately to quash,
> because discovery could open up the documents that are for
> some reason
> sealed.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be
> fighting
> attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their
> declaration was
> made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such
> determinations
> public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at
> this point.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form
> birth
> certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what
> citizenship he
> CLAIMED
> as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the
> university)
> and
> be done with it.
> 
> But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an
> executive order on
> day
> 2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.
> 
> And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different
> versions of the
> nomination letter---one with language regarding
> eligibility, the other
> without...the latter being what got filed with the states.
> 
> Why is that?
> 
> And to make matters juicier, it is now established by
> credible sources
> what
> Jack Cashill discovered by various methods of literary
> investigation,
> namely, that Bill Ayers was indeed on some level a MAJOR
> contributor to
> the
> writing of Dreams. This directly contradicts Obama's claim
> to have
> written
> every word himself, and has implications that go way beyond
> the usual
> stigma
> of needing a ghost writer, given who and what Ayers is, and
> what

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Michael Madigan]

It's only a dead subject to those dead from the neck up.

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Adam Buckland  wrote:

> From: Adam Buckland 
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 6:48 AM
> What  pile of rubbish, how can
> you have legal definitions of a natural
> born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen
> of... Also
> dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take
> the parents
> aren't US citizens and include English law to which the
> posting points
> towards...
> " every child born in England of alien parents was a
> natural-born
> subject".
> 
> This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and
> those who
> just want to divert attention from a new government taking
> over from the
> most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com
> [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 14 October 2009 19:17
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> http://bit.ly/8LOVs
> 
> - - -
> The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the
> information it
> used to
> declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be
> very
> interesting,
> considering Obama's Father was a British Citizen. therefore
> Barack Obama
> Jr
> is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very
> nature of his
> parentage.
> 
> Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600's
> is not, was
> not,
> and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not
> matter where
> Barack
> Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan
> citizen. He could
> have
> been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in
> Washington D.C.
> itself,
> and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama's
> parentage
> remains
> the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born
> Citizen.
> 
> There is absolutely no doubt.
> 
> There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is
> Barack Obama. He
> and
> those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC
> are guilty of
> Treason to the United States. Every law that has been
> passed, every
> treaty
> signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal
> weight.
> 
> This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be
> dealt with.
> The
> United States does not have a constitutional government.
> 
> This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing
> things through
> as
> fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case
> of the Senate
> even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it
> becomes public
> knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their
> fraud upon
> America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get
> anything done.
> Rightly so.
> 
> This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of
> Watergate. This
> time,
> it won't be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will
> also be the
> DNC
> Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation
> microscope for
> the
> cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.
> 
> This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can
> to keep
> people
> focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate.
> He would
> rather
> people be thinking about where he was born rather than the
> citizenship
> that
> was conferred upon him by his British father.
> - - -
> 
> The letters she quotes earlier in the article from the
> state of Hawaii
> were,
> to say the least, eye opening. They clearly don't want to
> explain the
> basis
> for their declaration, at all.
> 
> Gets curiouser and curiouser all the time.
> 
> The only way it could work out that he's a Natural Born US
> citizen is if
> his
> father -- as I hypothesize in this case -- is actually
> Frank Marshall
> Davis.
> 
> http://bit.ly/224zI2
> 
> 
> - Bob[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> 
>> The fat is the best part.

> Pete, you should try to look away for beef and factor in more pork /
> chicken instead.
> 
> I bet you could find a crock pot at the many different second sale
> shops for 5.00 or so.
> 
> Buy at the grocery chicken and or beef bullion store brand or get some
> from someone at Sams and split it.
> 
> Now you can season the water your are going to cook your meat(s) in
> then bag them and freeze them for later consumptin.  the old buy and
> cook in bulk is cheaper.
> 
> A pork butt will take 6 to 8 hrs to cook, but the volume of meat after
> wards is tremendous.  toss in 1/2 an onion as well into the crock.

Hi Stephen,

I would have to have a meat thermometer to use large cuts of pork and 
chicken?
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> 
>> The fat is the best part.

> Pete, you should try to look away for beef and factor in more pork /
> chicken instead.

Hi Stephen,

I have been eating all three, actually. The chicken comes frozen in bulk 
sizes, the other is fresh.

> I bet you could find a crock pot at the many different second sale
> shops for 5.00 or so.

Had one, gave it away. Never could get a meal to come out in it.

> Buy at the grocery chicken and or beef bullion store brand or get some
> from someone at Sams and split it.

Bullion? Too much salt for my taste + the blood pressure Nazis . . .

> Now you can season the water your are going to cook your meat(s) in
> then bag them and freeze them for later consumptin.  the old buy and
> cook in bulk is cheaper.

Freezer is already full with chicken and veggies until the middle of 
month. Then can't afford anything.

> A pork butt will take 6 to 8 hrs to cook, but the volume of meat after
> wards is tremendous.  toss in 1/2 an onion as well into the crock.

How big are they? I have a fair sized pot for the stovetop.
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Gene Wirchenko]

At 06:55 2009-10-15, Jean Laeremans  wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Stephen Russell 
> wrote:
>
> > Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
> > method is fine.
> >
> > Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
> > sense to me.
>
>should be:
>bleu, saignant,à point etc.. oc 
>
>Bloody foreigners

  Your pun is well done.

  I was just asking my mom about this this last weekend.

  A point that I have not seen made yet: be 
sure that the meat is thawed before cooking 
it.  This makes sure that it is all cooked.  You 
can use a shortcut of VERY low heat until it is 
thawed and then turning up the heat.

Sincerely,

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Stephen Russell]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Pete Theisen  wrote:

> The fat is the best part.
> --

Pete, you should try to look away for beef and factor in more pork /
chicken instead.

I bet you could find a crock pot at the many different second sale
shops for 5.00 or so.

Buy at the grocery chicken and or beef bullion store brand or get some
from someone at Sams and split it.

Now you can season the water your are going to cook your meat(s) in
then bag them and freeze them for later consumptin.  the old buy and
cook in bulk is cheaper.

A pork butt will take 6 to 8 hrs to cook, but the volume of meat after
wards is tremendous.  toss in 1/2 an onion as well into the crock.





-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
SQL Server DBA
Web and Winform Development
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Jean Laeremans]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jean Laeremans
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
>>  Duck'> A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you call them
>>> crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The best thing is you can buy
>>> the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on the low
>>> setting and end up with a tasty meal.
>>
>> Another 'Fat Duck' fan.?
>
> Que?
>
> --
> Paul
>
http://www.fatduck.co.uk/

A+
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How to change a desktop icon

[Eurico Chagas Filho]

Hi.

I need make program in VFP9.2 that allows me to change the target
of a desktop icon. It's an InnoSetup installation, but I don't know
hw do it using Pascal.
Any hints ?

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Jean Laeremans wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
>  Duck'> A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you call them
>> crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The best thing is you can buy
>> the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on the low
>> setting and end up with a tasty meal.
> 
> Another 'Fat Duck' fan.?

Hi Jean,

The fat is the best part.
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[OT] McAfee and FireFTP (FireFox)

[Rafael Copquin]

I recently changed my AV software and acquired McAfee. Now my notebook, my 
wife's and my desktop are "protected".
On the other hand, I have been using FireFox as my preferred browser and 
FireFTP (a plugin) to handle all my ftp transfers.
And very recently I started using FileZilla as my ftp server.

FTP stopped working until I managed to add to the list of trusted programs the 
FileZilla client. This one works well now.

I want to also add the FireFPT program to that list, but I have no clue as to 
where it sits in my desktop and the name of the file I should be looking for.

Any help will be appreciated.

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RE: TeeChart V7 ActiveX control

[Allen]

It comes with a help file. What do you want to know ?
I use this mainly for Gantt charts.
Al

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Sent: 15 October 2009 20:02
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: TeeChart V7 ActiveX control

Hi

If anybody has any docs, manual or help file for this which they could 
send me privately, I would be very grateful

Many thanks

Paul Newton



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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Paul Hill]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jean Laeremans
 wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
>  Duck'> A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you call them
>> crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The best thing is you can buy
>> the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on the low
>> setting and end up with a tasty meal.
>
> Another 'Fat Duck' fan.?

Que?

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Jean Laeremans]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
 Duck'> A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you call them
> crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The best thing is you can buy
> the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on the low
> setting and end up with a tasty meal.

Another 'Fat Duck' fan.?

A+
jml


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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Paul Hill]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
>> You can slow cook meat in a dutch oven.   Recipes are on the internet.   The 
>> lower and slower the better.
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Such a treasure as a "dutch oven" is beyond me, I run out of money on
> the 15th every month, remember?

A good alternative is an electric slow cooker (I think you call them
crock-pots).  Mine was £20 (about $30).  The best thing is you can buy
the cheapest stewing meat, cook it for hours (up to 8) on the low
setting and end up with a tasty meal.

-- 
Paul


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TeeChart V7 ActiveX control

[Paul Newton]

Hi

If anybody has any docs, manual or help file for this which they could 
send me privately, I would be very grateful

Many thanks

Paul Newton


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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Pete Theisen  
> wrote:
>> Stephen Russell wrote:
> 
>> Last half of the month we have the bean course, the cat food course and
>> the laundry starch course.

> Sorry to hear that.
> 
> Can you help out at a soup kitchen and get a meal out of it for your
> work effort?

Hi Stephen,

The doctor has me so messed up on drugs that I can scarcely do anything. 
I keep asking him to change the meds, but doctors are stubborn. I 
changed doctors because the last doctor was even worse.

The drug companies send around cheerleader homecoming queen types to 
show the docs power point presentations about drugs and get their 
orders. Those girls are so cute it is like a lap dance from an ordinary 
girl.

How can mere patients compete with that kind of incentive?
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Stephen Russell]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:

> Last half of the month we have the bean course, the cat food course and
> the laundry starch course.
--

Sorry to hear that.

Can you help out at a soup kitchen and get a meal out of it for your
work effort?


-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
SQL Server DBA
Web and Winform Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN

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[OT] Rich jerks' jerk-fest

[Pete Theisen]

Hi Everybody,

Nothing, nothing warms the heart of a rich person quite like the specter 
of his or her other countrymen starving and going homeless.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-surpasses-the-1-mark-for-26th-time-2009-10-15

or

http://tinyurl.com/ylg6p7s

http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/2009-10-15-dow115_CV_N.htm
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Re: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Pete Theisen]

Bob Calco wrote:
> Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:
> 
>  0403.htm>

Link breaks, try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yz4jdju
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Jean Laeremans
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Stephen Russell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
>>> method is fine.
>>>
>>> Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
>>> sense to me.
>> should be:
>> bleu, saignant,à point etc.. oc 
>>
> -
> 
> LOL
> 
> What do you mean there is a cheese course?
> 
> damn foreigners!

Last half of the month we have the bean course, the cat food course and 
the laundry starch course.
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:

> Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
> method is fine.
> 
> Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
> sense to me.

Hi Stephen,

Well, but not tough. In a restaurant I used to ask for medium well. 
Don't ever eat out, any more. Might not eat anywhere the last half of 
the month.
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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

Oh, and then there's this, January 8, 2006:



- - -
Duckworth knows that political pundits are focused on her. As a Democratic
candidate in a historically Republican district trying to win the House seat
being vacated by retiring Republican icon Henry Hyde, her 6th District race
is becoming a Democratic Party priority and a talking point among political
heavyweights.

"Very rarely have I met a more impressive person than Tammy Duckworth," said
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in an article the day before she announced her
candidacy Dec. 18. "She just has the poise and exudes the type of character
that I think would make her an astounding public servant."

Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate
Obama have "a kama'aina connection."

Both were born outside the country - Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in
Thailand - and graduated from high school in Honolulu - Punahou and
McKinley, respectively.
- - -

H. Once upon a time suggesting Obama wasn't born in Hawaii was OK, even
in Hawaii.

- Bob


> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> For the cut and paste challenged:
> 
> http://bit.ly/1b0wG5
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:
> >
> >
>  > s2606
> > 0403.htm>
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> > > To: ProFox Email List
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> > >
> > > Because his school and medical records are none of your or my
> > business.
> > > There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for
> > them
> > > to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no
> > right
> > > to see yours.
> > >
> > > If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office
> then
> > > that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> > > ordered him to?
> > >
> > > Adam.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > > Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> > >
> > > > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> > > natural
> > > > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of...
> > Also
> > > > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> > > parents
> > > > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> > > points
> > > > towards...
> > > > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > > > subject".
> > >
> > > The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how
> difficult
> > a
> > > legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances
> about
> > > parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who
> a
> > > citizen
> > > is, etc:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> > >
> > > Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels
> > is
> > > a
> > > mess.
> > >
> > > His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father
> > was
> > > a
> > > citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual
> > citizen
> > > on
> > > some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia.
> > I'd
> > > like
> > > to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was
> he
> > > perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> > >
> > > The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> > > records
> > > and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> > > defending
> > > them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the
> > short
> > > form
> > > suffices to prove his eligibility.
> > >
> > > The man is now President of the United States for crying out
> loud...
> > > but
> > > all
> > > his vital records are sealed. Why?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those
> > who
> > > > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > most unpopular president for many decades.
> > >
> > > I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

For the cut and paste challenged:

http://bit.ly/1b0wG5

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:
> 
>  s2606
> 0403.htm>
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > Because his school and medical records are none of your or my
> business.
> > There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for
> them
> > to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no
> right
> > to see yours.
> >
> > If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> > that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> > ordered him to?
> >
> > Adam.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> > natural
> > > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of...
> Also
> > > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> > parents
> > > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> > points
> > > towards...
> > > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > > subject".
> >
> > The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult
> a
> > legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> > parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> > citizen
> > is, etc:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> >
> > Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels
> is
> > a
> > mess.
> >
> > His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father
> was
> > a
> > citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual
> citizen
> > on
> > some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia.
> I'd
> > like
> > to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> > perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> >
> > The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> > records
> > and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> > defending
> > them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the
> short
> > form
> > suffices to prove his eligibility.
> >
> > The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> > but
> > all
> > his vital records are sealed. Why?
> >
> > >
> > > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those
> who
> > > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over
> from
> > > the
> > > most unpopular president for many decades.
> >
> > I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
> > paternity
> > may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started
> > out
> > technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
> > thing.
> >
> > If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
> > from
> > so many different sources in so many municipalities across the
> country
> > challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main
> reason
> > for
> > the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather
> lack
> > of
> > standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that
> made
> > it
> > past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26,
> 2010,
> > in a
> > California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to
> > quash,
> > because discovery could open up the documents that are for some
> reason
> > sealed.
> >
> > If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting
> > attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was
> > made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such
> > determinations
> > public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this
> point.
> >
> > If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth
> > certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he
> > CLAIMED
> > as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the
> university)
> > and
> > be done with it.
> >
> > But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order
> on
> > day
> > 2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.
> >
> > And then there's the

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:



- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
> to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no right
> to see yours.
> 
> If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> ordered him to?
> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> natural
> > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> parents
> > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> points
> > towards...
> > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > subject".
> 
> The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
> legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> citizen
> is, etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> 
> Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is
> a
> mess.
> 
> His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was
> a
> citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen
> on
> some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd
> like
> to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> 
> The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> records
> and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> defending
> them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short
> form
> suffices to prove his eligibility.
> 
> The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> but
> all
> his vital records are sealed. Why?
> 
> >
> > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> > the
> > most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
> paternity
> may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started
> out
> technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
> thing.
> 
> If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
> from
> so many different sources in so many municipalities across the country
> challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main reason
> for
> the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather lack
> of
> standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that made
> it
> past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26, 2010,
> in a
> California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to
> quash,
> because discovery could open up the documents that are for some reason
> sealed.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting
> attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was
> made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such
> determinations
> public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this point.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth
> certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he
> CLAIMED
> as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the university)
> and
> be done with it.
> 
> But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order on
> day
> 2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.
> 
> And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different versions of the
> nomination letter---one with language regarding eligibility, the other
> without...the latter being what got filed with the states.
> 
> Why is that?
> 
> And to make matters juicier, it is now established by credible sources
> what
> Jack Cashill discovered by various methods of literary investigation,
> namely, that Bill Ayers was indeed on some level a MAJOR contributor to
> the
> writing of Dreams. This directly contradicts Obama's claim to have
> written
> every word himself, and has implications that go way beyond the usual
> stigm

Looking for a free PDF toolkit.

[Alan Bourke]

I have a requirement to take an existing PDF file and delete ranges of
pages within it. This could be by deleting the pages or extracting pages
to a new PDF file. I've found a command-line tool called pdftk
(http://www.pdftk.com/) that looks like a contender, however I was
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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Stephen Russell]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Jean Laeremans
 wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Stephen Russell  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
>> method is fine.
>>
>> Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
>> sense to me.
>
> should be:
> bleu, saignant,à point etc.. oc 
>
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LOL

What do you mean there is a cheese course?

damn foreigners!

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Jean Laeremans]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Stephen Russell  wrote:

>
> Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
> method is fine.
>
> Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
> sense to me.

should be:
bleu, saignant,à point etc.. oc 

Bloody foreigners

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Stephen Russell]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> Richard Quilhot wrote:
>> Defiantly not all at once.  remember a little goes a long ways.
>> Your max meat temp only needs to be 185 F for poultry less for other meats.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I eat such small pieces of meat that a meat thermometer would not work.
> Is there a fixed relation between the temperature of the pot/pan/oven
> and the temperature of the meat according to time or what?


There is a guide that grill masters at restaurants use.  They will
push tongs into the meat and gauge it's softness.  the softer it is
the more RARE it is.  You can practice with the flesh of your hand in
the area between the thumb and forefinger.  If you don't flex your
hand muscles it is very soft.  You can add a tiny bit of flex to those
muscles and if will resemble the density of cooked beef.  the more you
add in flex the more done the meat will be.

This takes time and practice.

Another ringer to toss into this is one persons med rare is another
persons medium.

Could you describe how you like your beef cooked?  Color or other
method is fine.

Light pink, deep pink to red, or red and bloody make a great deal of
sense to me.

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Re: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Jean Laeremans]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Bob Calco  wrote:
>> Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
>> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
>> to be released.

There are sore losers and then there's Bob

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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> 
> Even in the rather unlikely case that it were true..do those
> technicalities really matter...

Only if you care about free humanity, and the fact that if true it would be
the biggest political fraud in the history of modern civilization, one that
may doom generations of people around the world, not just Americans, to
economic and political oppression of an order and magnitude not yet
experienced in the world's bloody history.

Other than that no big deal. 

> yawn indeed

Sigh indeed.

- Bob

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Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Stephen Russell]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Pete Theisen  wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> You would think after 37 years of living alone I would know this, but I
> don't. What temperature should I use to cook meat on the stove top?
---

I guess it all determines what cut of meat you have and the finished
product you are thinking of preparing.

Beef / Pork / Chicken / Lamb / 

A beef roast is done lower and slower then a beef steak.  Don't
confuse the word steak, as in the cut of meat with a style of cooking.
 Clear as mud right?  A Sirloin steak != Chuck Steak in that you
should not grill at high temp and short time a Chuck Steak.  Instead
you should make it a pot roast or a beef stew.

Pork should be low and slow any and all types of pork.  Chicken the same way.



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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

> Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
> to be released. 

He ran at least in part on his literary genius, which has since been proven
to be totally fraudulent, or in any case complicated by the embarrassing
help of his secret sharer, Bill Ayers. He ran on the fact he was editor of
the Harvard Law Review, but everything he wrote there has been sealed as
well. 

He ran on his identity as Barack Hussein Obama. A name he complained about
because it sounds funny, as if he was a victim, but which he freely
re-adopted after it was changed to Barry Soetoro by his Indonesian (Muslim)
step father. Then bragged about it and his Muslim upbringing to Muslims once
elected.

Which reminds me: He ran on being a Christian, but even this has proven to
be posturing, in light of his apology tour, and his bona fides in this
regard are undermined by his relationship with (Black Liberation Theology
adherent) Jeremiah Wright, who is as much a Christian as James Cone or Che
Guevara or V. I. Lenin. 

> You have no right to see my records and I have no right
> to see yours.

Neither of us are President of the United States, with an obligation to
prove our identity and our allegiance.

> 
> If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> ordered him to?

You can be daft at times. Did you not catch the fact that there is a trial
over the matter scheduled in a California court in January 2010? Have you
not followed the large number of cases that have been dismissed merely on
jurisdiction/lack of standing technicalities, without a hearing of the
facts? Obama has spent over $1 mil. fighting attempts to force him to
release his long form birth certificate.

Isn't the dual nomination letters, one including and the other excluding
normal eligibility language, the latter being what was filed, of interest?
Might the DNC have learned the truth, as it were, too late, and rather than
face embarrassment and defeat, joined in on the charade? Aren't you curious
why he wrote an executive order effectively sealing all his records?

This, I daresay, does matter, given the eligibility clause in the
Constitution, which is not a cut and dry affair. Obama's biography tests
every penumbra of every nuance in the law on this matter, which is why they
are trying to discredit the people asking the questions, instead of shutting
them up by releasing the requested proofs---including any embarrassing facts
they may contain.

- Bob

> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> natural
> > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> parents
> > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> points
> > towards...
> > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > subject".
> 
> The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
> legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> citizen
> is, etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> 
> Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is
> a
> mess.
> 
> His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was
> a
> citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen
> on
> some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd
> like
> to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> 
> The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> records
> and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> defending
> them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short
> form
> suffices to prove his eligibility.
> 
> The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> but
> all
> his vital records are sealed. Why?
> 
> >
> > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> > the
> > most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
> paternity
> may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started
> out
> technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
> thing.
> 
> If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
> from
> so many different sources in so many munici

Re: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Jean Laeremans]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bob Calco  wrote:

Even in the rather unlikely case that it were true..do those
technicalities really matter...
yawn indeed

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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Adam Buckland]

Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no right
to see yours.

If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
ordered him to?

Adam.


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Behalf Of Bob Calco
Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

> What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a natural
> born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
parents
> aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting points
> towards...
> " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> subject".

The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
citizen
is, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is a
mess. 

His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was
a
citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen
on
some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd
like
to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?

The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
records
and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
defending
them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short
form
suffices to prove his eligibility.

The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud... but
all
his vital records are sealed. Why?

> 
> This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> the
> most unpopular president for many decades.

I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
paternity
may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started out
technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
thing.

If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
from
so many different sources in so many municipalities across the country
challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main reason
for
the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather lack
of
standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that made
it
past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26, 2010,
in a
California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to quash,
because discovery could open up the documents that are for some reason
sealed.

If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting
attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was
made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such determinations
public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this point.

If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth
certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he
CLAIMED
as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the university)
and
be done with it.

But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order on
day
2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.

And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different versions of the
nomination letter---one with language regarding eligibility, the other
without...the latter being what got filed with the states.

Why is that?

And to make matters juicier, it is now established by credible sources
what
Jack Cashill discovered by various methods of literary investigation,
namely, that Bill Ayers was indeed on some level a MAJOR contributor to
the
writing of Dreams. This directly contradicts Obama's claim to have
written
every word himself, and has implications that go way beyond the usual
stigma
of needing a ghost writer, given who and what Ayers is, and what he's
claimed in the past about his relationship with him.

There is something very false and plainly deceptive about this guy you
all
think is some political savior. 

And possibly very dangerous, and not just for America. 

Also, consider what our Founders believed about the threat of foreign
plots
to infiltrate our politics. Federalist Paper #59 concludes with these
instructive words:

"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country,
under an
efficient government, will probably be an increasing object of jealousy
to
more than one nation of Europe; and that enter

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

> What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a natural
> born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the parents
> aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting points
> towards...
> " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> subject".

The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a citizen
is, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is a
mess. 

His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was a
citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen on
some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd like
to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?

The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school records
and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and defending
them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short form
suffices to prove his eligibility.

The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud... but all
his vital records are sealed. Why?

> 
> This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> the
> most unpopular president for many decades.

I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of paternity
may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started out
technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious thing.

If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits from
so many different sources in so many municipalities across the country
challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main reason for
the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather lack of
standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that made it
past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26, 2010, in a
California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to quash,
because discovery could open up the documents that are for some reason
sealed.

If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting
attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was
made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such determinations
public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this point.

If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth
certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he CLAIMED
as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the university) and
be done with it.

But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order on day
2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.

And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different versions of the
nomination letter---one with language regarding eligibility, the other
without...the latter being what got filed with the states.

Why is that?

And to make matters juicier, it is now established by credible sources what
Jack Cashill discovered by various methods of literary investigation,
namely, that Bill Ayers was indeed on some level a MAJOR contributor to the
writing of Dreams. This directly contradicts Obama's claim to have written
every word himself, and has implications that go way beyond the usual stigma
of needing a ghost writer, given who and what Ayers is, and what he's
claimed in the past about his relationship with him.

There is something very false and plainly deceptive about this guy you all
think is some political savior. 

And possibly very dangerous, and not just for America. 

Also, consider what our Founders believed about the threat of foreign plots
to infiltrate our politics. Federalist Paper #59 concludes with these
instructive words:

"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country, under an
efficient government, will probably be an increasing object of jealousy to
more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to subvert it will
sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign powers, and will seldom fail
to be patronized and abetted by some of them. Its preservation, therefore
ought in no case that can be avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of
any but those whose situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in
the faithful and vigilant performance of the trust."

I believe we will regret entrusting it to Obama, and when it's all done,
he'll be even less popular than George Bush, who is already looking like a
fiscal tight-wad and supernaturally tolerant of criticism by comparison.

- Bob 

> 
> 
>

Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Richard Quilhot]

If you are using thawed small pieces of meat, I would think your cooking
time will be around 18 - 25 minutes, depending on how you like your meat.
Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A.
quilh...@gmail.com


Mike Ditka   -
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms."

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

> Richard Quilhot wrote:
> > Defiantly not all at once.  remember a little goes a long ways.
> > Your max meat temp only needs to be 185 F for poultry less for other
> meats.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I eat such small pieces of meat that a meat thermometer would not work.
> Is there a fixed relation between the temperature of the pot/pan/oven
> and the temperature of the meat according to time or what?
>
> >>> I usually work with:
> >>> Herbs:
> >>> Parsley, Sage, & Italian Seasoning
> >>> Spices:
> >>> Salt, Pepper, Garlic powder/salt, Onion powder/salt, Paprika, Red
> >> Pepper
> >>> flakes
> >>> You can also add:
> >>> Lemon Juice to chicken or fish
> >>> Fresh garlic & Onion
> >>> any fresh veggies chopped an included in the foil packet
> > If your going to foil wrap, add some butter or olive oil plus some
> >> herbs.
> >>
>  Good idea. What kind of herbs are good for cooking meat?
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> Thanks, I'll try them. Maybe not all at once. :-)
> >>
> >>> I would use the setting at 50-75% of your scale.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
>
>
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RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Adam Buckland]

What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a natural
born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the parents
aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting points
towards...
" every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
subject".

This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from the
most unpopular president for many decades.



-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Calco
Sent: 14 October 2009 19:17
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

http://bit.ly/8LOVs

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The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it
used to
declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very
interesting,
considering Obama's Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack Obama
Jr
is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his
parentage.

Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600's is not, was
not,
and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where
Barack
Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could
have
been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C.
itself,
and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama's parentage
remains
the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.

There is absolutely no doubt.

There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. He
and
those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of
Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every
treaty
signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.

This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with.
The
United States does not have a constitutional government.

This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through
as
fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the Senate
even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public
knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon
America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done.
Rightly so.

This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This
time,
it won't be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the
DNC
Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for
the
cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.

This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep
people
focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would
rather
people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship
that
was conferred upon him by his British father.
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The letters she quotes earlier in the article from the state of Hawaii
were,
to say the least, eye opening. They clearly don't want to explain the
basis
for their declaration, at all.

Gets curiouser and curiouser all the time.

The only way it could work out that he's a Natural Born US citizen is if
his
father -- as I hypothesize in this case -- is actually Frank Marshall
Davis.

http://bit.ly/224zI2


- Bob



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RE: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

[Dave Crozier]

How about just looking at it and then stabbing with a fork. If it is red
then it's the equivalent of rare, if the fork bounces off then it is well
done...there isn't any black magic to this it's just common sense. USE YOUR
EYES!

Dave Crozier


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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: 15 October 2009 07:02
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Subject: Re: [OT] Cooking meat on the stovetop

Richard Quilhot wrote:
> Defiantly not all at once.  remember a little goes a long ways.
> Your max meat temp only needs to be 185 F for poultry less for other
meats.

Hi Richard,

I eat such small pieces of meat that a meat thermometer would not work. 
Is there a fixed relation between the temperature of the pot/pan/oven 
and the temperature of the meat according to time or what?

>>> I usually work with:
>>> Herbs:
>>> Parsley, Sage, & Italian Seasoning
>>> Spices:
>>> Salt, Pepper, Garlic powder/salt, Onion powder/salt, Paprika, Red
>> Pepper
>>> flakes
>>> You can also add:
>>> Lemon Juice to chicken or fish
>>> Fresh garlic & Onion
>>> any fresh veggies chopped an included in the foil packet
> If your going to foil wrap, add some butter or olive oil plus some
>> herbs.
>>
 Good idea. What kind of herbs are good for cooking meat?
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Thanks, I'll try them. Maybe not all at once. :-)
>>
>>> I would use the setting at 50-75% of your scale.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/


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