Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country with 
a per capita GDP of $9800, is a flaming retard.  



 From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List'  
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:55 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
And perhaps the real problem here is that your credibility on many issues is
so low that when someone claims something and you disagree, you
automatically grant your opponent a degree of credibility.

and your health system still sucks. Most people seem to understand that
already

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system.

This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg 




From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:27 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

And you think USA has a wonderful health system so that dispenses with your
opinion as well. Perhaps what moore was saying that if Cuba has a better
system than USA then how bad is that?

and while you love to hate australia... our health system is great and yours
sucks

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 3:44 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Michael Moore would have his viewers believe that Cuba has a wonderful
medical system, it's just not so.   



From: Christina Bull 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend that you
watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete.  I couldn't believe how
stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that and I am so
grateful to live in the lucky country. 

EVERY time I take any of my five children to see a General Practitioner, I
pay nothing - the national health system, Medicare, covers it.  This is up
until they turn 16.  I too pay a monthly fee for private insurance (a bit
less than Geoff, but it still covers the whole family for most specialists).
This pays most my costs for any specialist appointments required or hospital
stays, I pay a small "out of pocket" expense whenever we use the service.  

I was able to choose which private hospital I would like to give birth in -
for each one of my children - and I was able to stay a private room in that
hospital for up to 7 days if I wanted to - or I could have used the public
system, paid nothing and had 2 days in a shared ward.  I chose private
because I could... and hell, they even had wine as an option on the hospital
menu for dinner time! 

Australia's health system is one of the best in the world.  I received a
voucher in the mail just yesterday from Medicare for $167.50.  This is to be
used for the "Teen Dental Plan" - My son has just had a birthday and now
Medicare will pay for a special teen dental check for him.  If he needs
braces, private healthcare will cover most of it.

$5000 per day for any kind of medical treatment??  To an Australian, that
just makes no sense.  For that price, we'd expect the treatment to deliver a
HELL of a lot of extra benefits ... car washing, coffee making, house
cleaning, babysitting, orgasms, investment advice, timeshare holidays... 


Christina Bull
DataHouse
0414 576 453
www.datahouse.com.au


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From: Pete Theisen [mailto:petethei...@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012 11:06 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

geoff wrote:
> Yes, our prices tend to be higher here although it could also said 
> that as a nation we tend to not run deficits and govt debt for 
> extended periods of time which means our economy doesn't crash like 
> Europe and USA. That means we pay taxes enough to cover expenses etc 
> so the higher prices should be kept in context of a sustainable 
> economy. Also keep in mind that the exchange rate is currently at 
> record highs meaning prices here are (in$US) 30-40% more than 
> traditional. That makes it a problem for visitors - not locals.
> 
> and healthcare??? are you kidding? are you not aware that USA has the 
> most expensive healthcare in the world by an enormous margin? our 
> hospital charges are 1/3 - 1/4 of yours and our medications are even 
> cheaper. I don't know what your healthcare system does but whatever it 
> is
- don't export it.
> I pay $300/month for full health coverage australia-wide. If I chose 
> to not pay anything the national health service would pick it up.

RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[geoff]

That is hardly evidence. Our healthcare system is vastly better than yours
and our percapita income is a little less than yours.

Care to try again?

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:31 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country
with a per capita GDP of $9800, is a flaming retard.  



 From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:55 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
And perhaps the real problem here is that your credibility on many issues is
so low that when someone claims something and you disagree, you
automatically grant your opponent a degree of credibility.

and your health system still sucks. Most people seem to understand that
already

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:23 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system.

This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg 




From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:27 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

And you think USA has a wonderful health system so that dispenses with your
opinion as well. Perhaps what moore was saying that if Cuba has a better
system than USA then how bad is that?

and while you love to hate australia... our health system is great and yours
sucks

-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 3:44 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Michael Moore would have his viewers believe that Cuba has a wonderful
medical system, it's just not so.   



From: Christina Bull 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend that you
watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete.  I couldn't believe how
stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that and I am so
grateful to live in the lucky country. 

EVERY time I take any of my five children to see a General Practitioner, I
pay nothing - the national health system, Medicare, covers it.  This is up
until they turn 16.  I too pay a monthly fee for private insurance (a bit
less than Geoff, but it still covers the whole family for most specialists).
This pays most my costs for any specialist appointments required or hospital
stays, I pay a small "out of pocket" expense whenever we use the service.  

I was able to choose which private hospital I would like to give birth in -
for each one of my children - and I was able to stay a private room in that
hospital for up to 7 days if I wanted to - or I could have used the public
system, paid nothing and had 2 days in a shared ward.  I chose private
because I could... and hell, they even had wine as an option on the hospital
menu for dinner time! 

Australia's health system is one of the best in the world.  I received a
voucher in the mail just yesterday from Medicare for $167.50.  This is to be
used for the "Teen Dental Plan" - My son has just had a birthday and now
Medicare will pay for a special teen dental check for him.  If he needs
braces, private healthcare will cover most of it.

$5000 per day for any kind of medical treatment??  To an Australian, that
just makes no sense.  For that price, we'd expect the treatment to deliver a
HELL of a lot of extra benefits ... car washing, coffee making, house
cleaning, babysitting, orgasms, investment advice, timeshare holidays... 


Christina Bull
DataHouse
0414 576 453
www.datahouse.com.au


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From: Pete Theisen [mailto:petethei...@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012 11:06 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

geoff wrote:
> Yes, our prices tend to be higher here although it could also said 
> that as a nation we tend to not run deficits and govt debt for 
> extended periods of time which means our economy doesn't crash like 
> Europe and USA. That means we pay taxes enough to cover expenses etc 
> so the higher prices should be kept in context of a sustainable 
> economy. Also keep in mind that the exchange rate is currently at 
> record highs meaning prices here are (in$US) 30-40% more than 
> traditional. That makes it a problem for visitors - not locals.
> 
> and healthcare??? are you kidding? are you not aware that USA h

RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[geoff]

You give arseholes a bad name. Perhaps it comes from your (in)breeding.

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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:24 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

She chose to build a dream house rather than pay for healthcare.   In
America we're free to make choices.  



 From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
wow... you refer to Kristyne who passed away because she couldnt afford
medication that a responsible government would have subsidised or given
freely - like over here? Could you have possibly chosen a worse example to
make your point? Maybe Michael Moore exaggerates, but maybe not because
everything we ever hear about the standard of healthcare in the USA is that
unless you have a good job or are wealthy, the standard is third-world. What
is perhaps the most remarkable thing is that when Obama tries to improve it
and help the poor out, people on here go ape. Perhaps you deserve a society
that demands cheap petrol but doesn't give a crap about health care. 

Do you know how much it costs me to get a new kidney? NOTHING. and if i want
to have it in a private hospital it might end up costing me $5000. over
there you pay $250K-$500K.

pass.

-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:02 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Christina Bull wrote:
> I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend 
> that you watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete.  I couldn't 
> believe how stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that

Hi Christina,

Well, you were right to not be able to believe it. Michael Moore sometimes
mixes in a bit of fiction into his "documentaries". Not that he is as big a
liar as Obama, but, a bit of fiction.

I can't remember all of the fictions as it has been years since I viewed it.
That viewing was on Kristyne McDaniel's challenge, a little while before she
left us for the hereafter. She was such a sensitive liberal, God rest her.

Our healthcare is terrible, but not as bad as Michael Moore would have you
believe.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

I'm not sure you're capable of reason. 



 From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List'  
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:09 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
That is hardly evidence. Our healthcare system is vastly better than yours
and our percapita income is a little less than yours.

Care to try again?

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:31 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country
with a per capita GDP of $9800, is a flaming retard.  



From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:55 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

And perhaps the real problem here is that your credibility on many issues is
so low that when someone claims something and you disagree, you
automatically grant your opponent a degree of credibility.

and your health system still sucks. Most people seem to understand that
already

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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:23 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system.

This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg 




From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:27 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

And you think USA has a wonderful health system so that dispenses with your
opinion as well. Perhaps what moore was saying that if Cuba has a better
system than USA then how bad is that?

and while you love to hate australia... our health system is great and yours
sucks

-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 3:44 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Michael Moore would have his viewers believe that Cuba has a wonderful
medical system, it's just not so.   



From: Christina Bull 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend that you
watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete.  I couldn't believe how
stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that and I am so
grateful to live in the lucky country. 

EVERY time I take any of my five children to see a General Practitioner, I
pay nothing - the national health system, Medicare, covers it.  This is up
until they turn 16.  I too pay a monthly fee for private insurance (a bit
less than Geoff, but it still covers the whole family for most specialists).
This pays most my costs for any specialist appointments required or hospital
stays, I pay a small "out of pocket" expense whenever we use the service.  

I was able to choose which private hospital I would like to give birth in -
for each one of my children - and I was able to stay a private room in that
hospital for up to 7 days if I wanted to - or I could have used the public
system, paid nothing and had 2 days in a shared ward.  I chose private
because I could... and hell, they even had wine as an option on the hospital
menu for dinner time! 

Australia's health system is one of the best in the world.  I received a
voucher in the mail just yesterday from Medicare for $167.50.  This is to be
used for the "Teen Dental Plan" - My son has just had a birthday and now
Medicare will pay for a special teen dental check for him.  If he needs
braces, private healthcare will cover most of it.

$5000 per day for any kind of medical treatment??  To an Australian, that
just makes no sense.  For that price, we'd expect the treatment to deliver a
HELL of a lot of extra benefits ... car washing, coffee making, house
cleaning, babysitting, orgasms, investment advice, timeshare holidays... 


Christina Bull
DataHouse
0414 576 453
www.datahouse.com.au


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From: Pete Theisen [mailto:petethei...@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012 11:06 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

geoff wrote:
> Yes, our prices tend to be higher here although it could also said 
> that as a nation we tend to not run deficits and govt debt for 
> extended periods of time which means our economy doesn't crash like 
> Europe and USA. That means we pay taxes enough to cover expenses etc 
> so the higher prices should be kept in context of a sustainable 
> economy. Also keep in mind that the exchange rate is cur

Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

Every post by you in a bigger gem than the previous.  Keep posting.   



 From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List'  
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:09 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
You give arseholes a bad name. Perhaps it comes from your (in)breeding.

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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:24 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

She chose to build a dream house rather than pay for healthcare.   In
America we're free to make choices.  



From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

wow... you refer to Kristyne who passed away because she couldnt afford
medication that a responsible government would have subsidised or given
freely - like over here? Could you have possibly chosen a worse example to
make your point? Maybe Michael Moore exaggerates, but maybe not because
everything we ever hear about the standard of healthcare in the USA is that
unless you have a good job or are wealthy, the standard is third-world. What
is perhaps the most remarkable thing is that when Obama tries to improve it
and help the poor out, people on here go ape. Perhaps you deserve a society
that demands cheap petrol but doesn't give a crap about health care. 

Do you know how much it costs me to get a new kidney? NOTHING. and if i want
to have it in a private hospital it might end up costing me $5000. over
there you pay $250K-$500K.

pass.

-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:02 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

Christina Bull wrote:
> I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend 
> that you watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete.  I couldn't 
> believe how stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that

Hi Christina,

Well, you were right to not be able to believe it. Michael Moore sometimes
mixes in a bit of fiction into his "documentaries". Not that he is as big a
liar as Obama, but, a bit of fiction.

I can't remember all of the fictions as it has been years since I viewed it.
That viewing was on Kristyne McDaniel's challenge, a little while before she
left us for the hereafter. She was such a sensitive liberal, God rest her.

Our healthcare is terrible, but not as bad as Michael Moore would have you
believe.
--
Regards,

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Alan Bourke]

Good luck - if you have any familiarity at all with Java or C you'll
have a headstart. .NET is a very, very broad church so don't get put off
by that fact.
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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Jean Laeremans]

Geoff,

Why bother reasoning with those morons ? They just manage to lower you
to their standards or lack of them.
Our health system too is vastly superior to the US one, but i let it be... ;)


A+
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[OT] N-words attack reporters - cops, suits, pols back off, cover up.

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RE: Started learning C# today

[Allen]

I'm not convinced by these leaning online. There is no feedback, your told
and that's it. But mainly, do you remember your first VFP lesson. Well I
believe to learn something like C# for example, you need a reason. In other
words you need to have something you want to write. This is how I did it. I
was in need of writing a web service not doable in VFP so I had to use C#.
C# is not far removed from other languages but you need to know how to do
stuff that  in VFP was so easy, and C# so hard. Best way is to start a
project you need to do and find out as you go how to do it. Bing subjects
(yes I know will stop using google after I spotted that they share searches
with faceache) you need to know and even ask here. Steve is a great guy who
has helped me no end with this stuff on and off list. In other words just do
it. You will get it and if you have been programming for a while it will
make sense. But I think these online lessons will be a waste of money.
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I shook hands with my husband last night and promised that by September 1st,
I too would start learning C#.  

I just checked out LearnDevNow.com and the special they are running at the
moment looks very good.  $99 for annual subscription instead of $349...  I
might just subscribe.  I've already been to http://tinyurl.com/ch768jr and
downloaded some manuals but they've been sitting on the hard drive untouched
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[OT] How can Oprah lose money?

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Hi Everybody,

I mean, she's Oprah!

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RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Adam Buckland]

Michael once you start arguing who's got the worse health system between the US 
and Cuba... you've already lost both the argument and the  plot...



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Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country with 
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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

The best thing about Cuban healthcare is that Chavez is probably going to die 
from it.   



 From: Jean Laeremans 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
Geoff,

Why bother reasoning with those morons ? They just manage to lower you
to their standards or lack of them.
Our health system too is vastly superior to the US one, but i let it be... ;)


A+
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Re: [OT] N-words attack reporters - cops, suits, pols back off, cover up.

[Michael Madigan]

My father was stationed in Norfolk in the 50s.   Blacks were treated like 
second-class citizens.   The White sailors would go with the Black sailors to 
the Black-owned saloons that tolerated Whites because they couldn't all get 
into the White-owned saloons.

Now it looks like racism has gone 180 degrees, where Blacks now can beat up 
Whites with immunity and it doesn't even make the papers.   



 From: Pete Theisen 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:38 AM
Subject: [OT] N-words attack reporters - cops, suits, pols back off, cover up.
 
Hi Everybody,

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1626697710001/the-bias-crime-cover-up-in-virginia-grows/?playlist_id=87485
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Re: [OT] How can Oprah lose money?

[Michael Madigan]

She lost half her audience when she chose to support Obama (A man) over Hillary 
(a woman).    Then she lost half again when she chose Obama over McCain.    

Hopefully she'll lose everything and be found dead in a bathtub.  



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Hi Everybody,

I mean, she's Oprah!

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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

Healthcare in the US is the best in the world.  Nobody rafts to Cuba for 
healthcare.   American doctors on the Canadian border do amazing business as 
Canadians cross the border to avoid long waits.   In America, if you have an 
emergency, the hospital has to accept you with or without insurance, even 
illegal aliens.

The worst thing to happen to US healthcare is the election of Barack Obama.  My 
uncle's urologist retired because he didn't want to deal with lower fees and 
long waiting lines.  That's happening all over the country.   Pretty soon we'll 
be as bad as Cuba where only the ruling elite will get quick healthcare.     



 From: Adam Buckland 
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Michael once you start arguing who's got the worse health system between the US 
and Cuba... you've already lost both the argument and the  plot...



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Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country with 
a per capita GDP of $9800, is a flaming retard.  


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Re: Re: DBF Synchronization

[AndyD]

I looked at in some depth a few years ago and as far as I can remember 
the main problem was lack of decent documentation, I didn't use it in 
anger because in the end I convinced the user to move the backend to SQL 
Server and wrote a small fairly limited web app for the remote users.
AndyD 8-)₹

On 08/05/2012 06:03, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 1:40 PM, AndyD wrote:
>> offline views?
> I saw that in VFP Help years ago but I thought I had heard somewhere
> that they didn't work as well as you might think?
>
>

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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Ricardo Araoz]

On 08/05/12 04:31, Jean Laeremans wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> Why bother reasoning with those morons ? They just manage to lower you
> to their standards or lack of them.
>

LOL
We say that if you fight a pig you may win or you may loose, but you'll
certainly get dirty.


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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

Win or Loose?  



 From: Ricardo Araoz 
To: ProFox Email List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
On 08/05/12 04:31, Jean Laeremans wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> Why bother reasoning with those morons ? They just manage to lower you
> to their standards or lack of them.
>

LOL
We say that if you fight a pig you may win or you may loose, but you'll
certainly get dirty.


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Re: Re: Started learning C# today

[AndyD]

I played with C# when it first came out and got as far as linking to a 
VFP com object, but then the day job intervened.
I recently decided to have another go. I bought the ms books (much 
cheaper in India) - but I found them a bit daunting so I decided to 
split the learning task into two parts: the syntax and the API. For a 
refresher on C syntax I downloaded LCC for Windows and I was very 
impressed (there is a tutorial included), for someone who learned C in 
the dumb terminal days it was a real eye-opener.
For those moving from FoxPro there used to be a VFP library for C# - 
anyone know if it's still available and functioning?

AndyD 8-)₹

On 07/05/2012 22:58, Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:37 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC
>   wrote:

> The hardest thing I faced was thinking that VFP was like every other 
> language. C# is pretty wide in scope so what are you going to try to 
> do first? Win forms, Web forms, WPF, WCF? 

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 10:40 AM, AndyD wrote:

> For those moving from FoxPro there used to be a VFP library for C# - 
> anyone know if it's still available and functioning?

http://foxcentral.net/microsoft/vfptoolkitnet.htm

Should still work fine although it hasn't been updated in 10 years.
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RE: Re: Started learning C# today

[Allen]

It is still there, well was a month ago. Try the MS VFP pages
Al

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Behalf Of AndyD

I played with C# when it first came out and got as far as linking to a VFP com 
object, but then the day job intervened.
I recently decided to have another go. I bought the ms books (much cheaper in 
India) - but I found them a bit daunting so I decided to split the learning 
task into two parts: the syntax and the API. For a refresher on C syntax I 
downloaded LCC for Windows and I was very impressed (there is a tutorial 
included), for someone who learned C in the dumb terminal days it was a real 
eye-opener.
For those moving from FoxPro there used to be a VFP library for C# - anyone 
know if it's still available and functioning?

AndyD 8-)₹



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RE: Started learning C# today

[Lou Syracuse]

Their "special" rate of $99 has been in place for over 2 years, they just 
change the date on the homepage.  I've been a member there for two years; 
remember to cancel if you don't want them to auto-renew you.  :)

It's not a bad deal, I use it more as a reference than sitting down and 
watching a series from beginning to end.  If you're just getting started in 
.NET I recommend learning C#.   VB.Net was an easier transition for me from 
VFP, and the companies I worked for were VB.Net shops (one slowly changed to 
C#).  After doing VB.Net for 5 years and am moving to C# too as it seems to be 
more widely used.  Just take a look at the online job listings...

Actually I got about 1/2 way through a  really good C# book before the day-job 
job busy and I started working on an outside web project.  Check out "Head 
First C#" from O'Reilly.   It is not your fathers' textbook as they take a 
little different approach to learning, but it might be look.  As always, YMMV.  
 :) 

http://www.headfirstlabs.com/books/hfcsharp/ 

ls


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Subject: RE: Started learning C# today

I shook hands with my husband last night and promised that by September 1st, I 
too would start learning C#.  

I just checked out LearnDevNow.com and the special they are running at the 
moment looks very good.  $99 for annual subscription instead of $349...  I 
might just subscribe.  I've already been to http://tinyurl.com/ch768jr and 
downloaded some manuals but they've been sitting on the hard drive untouched 
now for ages...  

Will be interested in how your fair Mike with the skills transfer - I think 
that's what is holding me up from making the shift - I don't like the idea of 
knowing what I "want" to do in code, but having to re-learn "how" to do it.

Keep me posted :-)

Christina Bull
DataHouse
www.datahouse.com.au

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RE: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[Lou Syracuse]

I inherited two fairly (overly might be a better word there) complex systems 
that were developed with the wizards using formsets.  Worst apps I ever saw, 
but then again the skills of those who wrote them weren't so great either.   
Can't wait to re-write them someday...

I blame those apps for the acceleration of my hair turning to a lighter color...

ls

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I *hated* those controls.  They gave me such trouble back in 1999. 
HATED the wizard-created forms.


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Re: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 8:44 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
> I inherited two fairly (overly might be a better word there) complex systems 
> that were developed with the wizards using formsets.  Worst apps I ever saw, 
> but then again the skills of those who wrote them weren't so great either.   
> Can't wait to re-write them someday...
>
> I blame those apps for the acceleration of my hair turning to a lighter 
> color...


It's things like those app wizards that gave FoxPro a bad name, imo, 
because it fostered really bad apps.


-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
President, Chief Software Architect
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RE: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[Kurt Wendt]

I don't think the wizards were SO BAD - if you only used them as a
starting point. I haven't really touched them much in a long time
though. I think years ago I used the Report Wizard on several occasions
- only to quickly generate a base report - get the data fields on there.
Then, I would open up the report and greatly clean-up the layout, and
more fields, nice lines, etc...

These days - I like using the WYSIWYG design tools, where I drop DBF's
in the Env. for a screen, then drag fields onto the screen to start
laying out the design. I know, its not a Wizard - but rather a better
option for creating screens.

-K-

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On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:09 AM

On 5/8/2012 8:44 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
> I inherited two fairly (overly might be a better word there) complex
systems that were developed with the wizards using formsets.  Worst apps
I ever saw, but then again the skills of those who wrote them weren't so
great either.   Can't wait to re-write them someday...
>
> I blame those apps for the acceleration of my hair turning to a
lighter color...

It's things like those app wizards that gave FoxPro a bad name, imo, 
because it fostered really bad apps.

-- 
Mike Babcock, MCP

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 07:37 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
>  After doing VB.Net for 5 years and am moving to C# too
> as it seems to be more widely used.  Just take a look at the online job
> listings...
> 

These days I would advise anyone not to bother with VB.Net, IMO.

Shaun 'DotNetNuke' Walker sums it up fairly well: 

http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Resources/Blogs/EntryId/2978/DotNetNuke-Switches-to-C.aspx

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RE: Started learning C# today

[Dave Crozier]

I agree with Alan.

When using VB.NET you still tent to think in terms of "Basic" as opposed to 
using all the oops features that seem to come naturally within C#.

The one thing you will miss in C# is the "with .endwith" structure and 
initially you will look at the repeated long winded code identifying the 
"variable" as being inelegant. There are various ways around this, but no 
complete solution such as:
1. redefining the control/variable

var MyVar = FDooApp.FooElement.Foo
Myvar.Name="Fred";
Myvar.Address="High Street"

etc

or in C# 3.0 you can use a constructor to initialise properties etc.

Dave

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On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 07:37 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
>  After doing VB.Net for 5 years and am moving to C# too as it seems to 
> be more widely used.  Just take a look at the online job listings...
> 

These days I would advise anyone not to bother with VB.Net, IMO.

Shaun 'DotNetNuke' Walker sums it up fairly well: 

http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Resources/Blogs/EntryId/2978/DotNetNuke-Switches-to-C.aspx

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Paul Hill]

On 8 May 2012 15:02, Dave Crozier  wrote:
> The one thing you will miss in C# is the "with .endwith" structure and 
> initially you will look at the repeated long winded code identifying the 
> "variable" as being inelegant. There are various ways around this, but no 
> complete solution such as:
> 1. redefining the control/variable
>
> var MyVar = FDooApp.FooElement.Foo
> Myvar.Name="Fred";
> Myvar.Address="High Street"
> 
> etc
>
> or in C# 3.0 you can use a constructor to initialise properties etc.

You can do this in C#:

MyClass class1 = new MyClass()
{
   Field1 = DateTime.Now,
   Field2 = 1234,
   Field3 = "test",
   Field4 = false;
};

But personally I'm not keen on this.

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Alan Bourke  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 07:37 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
>>  After doing VB.Net for 5 years and am moving to C# too
>> as it seems to be more widely used.  Just take a look at the online job
>> listings...
>>
>
> These days I would advise anyone not to bother with VB.Net, IMO.
>
> Shaun 'DotNetNuke' Walker sums it up fairly well:
>
> http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Resources/Blogs/EntryId/2978/DotNetNuke-Switches-to-C.aspx
---

>From personal experience:
The For Each loop in VB does NOT iterate through the collection.

'For Each pol As POLine In oldPO.POLines  << does not work

For cntr As Integer = 0 To oldPO.POLines.Count - 1<< kludge fix here

VB gives you With  End With and I know how much you VFP folks like
that functionality.  C# doesn't have that.

VB sucks in Linq as well.

I like C# over the two and want to get more into F# as well.

YMMV.
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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system.
>
> This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use
>
> http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg
--

Moon battery is funny not science.  Try another search here from the
National Institutes of Health.gov



I have no experience in this at all.  I am amazed that Chavez will
leave his country and go to Cuba for care.  He chooses not to come to
the USA.

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[OT] Funny maternity shirts

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Re: RE: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[AndyD]

I agree about the report wizard, I used it as a starting point for 
reports - but always based on a cursor of exactly what was wanted (which 
reminds me - I had a quick look at lianja and I noticed it doesn't 
support 'use again').
As regards wizards; microsoft seems to still be committed to them -' 
lightswitch' looks like one big wizard - you can't even place things 
yourself.

AndyD 8-)₹

On 08/05/2012 14:32, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> I don't think the wizards were SO BAD - if you only used them as a
> starting point. I haven't really touched them much in a long time
> though. I think years ago I used the Report Wizard on several occasions
> - only to quickly generate a base report - get the data fields on there.
> Then, I would open up the report and greatly clean-up the layout, and
> more fields, nice lines, etc...
>
> These days - I like using the WYSIWYG design tools, where I drop DBF's
> in the Env. for a screen, then drag fields onto the screen to start
> laying out the design. I know, its not a Wizard - but rather a better
> option for creating screens.
>
> -K-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
> On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:09 AM
>
> On 5/8/2012 8:44 AM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
>> I inherited two fairly (overly might be a better word there) complex
> systems that were developed with the wizards using formsets.  Worst apps
> I ever saw, but then again the skills of those who wrote them weren't so
> great either.   Can't wait to re-write them someday...
>> I blame those apps for the acceleration of my hair turning to a
> lighter color...
>
> It's things like those app wizards that gave FoxPro a bad name, imo,
> because it fostered really bad apps.
>

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Re: DBF Synchronization

[Paul McNett]

On 5/7/12 2:39 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Good points, but begs the question:  is this a 1-way synch or 2-way?  In
> other words, are changes on the laptop only going to the server, or is
> it possible for server changes to be newer than the laptop and thus you
> go that direction (from server to laptop db)?  If you have the date/time
> stamping like Stephen said, it helps make this possible.

I have five things to offer as requirements for true 2-way synchronization 
between 
any number of clients:

1) all timestamps stored in UTC (duh).
2) all clients sync with ntp server regularly to avoid time drift
3) UUID primary keys generated on the client side
4) transaction log kept on server and on client for use in the 2-way sync
5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing at the 
same time

Paul

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Re: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 9:32 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> I don't think the wizards were SO BAD - if you only used them as a
> starting point. I haven't really touched them much in a long time
> though. I think years ago I used the Report Wizard on several occasions
> - only to quickly generate a base report - get the data fields on there.
> Then, I would open up the report and greatly clean-up the layout, and
> more fields, nice lines, etc...


I have nothing bad to say about the report wizard as it's a quick/dirty 
way for me to get report data fast.  It's the app generator wizard iirc 
that made me cringe.  But to be fair...that was over a decade ago.


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Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?

[Michael Madigan]

It is wonderfully ironic that he could have been cured in the US but chose to 
die in Cuba. 



 From: Stephen Russell 
To: ProFox Email List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers?
 
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system.
>
> This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use
>
> http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg
--

Moon battery is funny not science.  Try another search here from the
National Institutes of Health.gov



I have no experience in this at all.  I am amazed that Chavez will
leave his country and go to Cuba for care.  He chooses not to come to
the USA.

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Sr. Analyst
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Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell

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Re: Started learning C# today

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 10:23 AM, Paul Hill wrote:
> You can do this in C#:
>
> MyClass class1 = new MyClass()
> {
> Field1 = DateTime.Now,
> Field2 = 1234,
> Field3 = "test",
> Field4 = false;
> };
>
> But personally I'm not keen on this.


May I ask "why not?"  That looks like the same as a defined class in VFP:

DEFINE CLASS Paul as Custom
Field1 = DateTime()
Field2 = 1234
Field3 = "test"
Field4 = .F.
ENDDEFINE


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RE: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[Lou Syracuse]

Yeah, but it hasn't changed in a decade either.   lol


Ls

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On 5/8/2012 9:32 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
...It's the app generator wizard iirc that made me cringe.  But to be 
fair...that was over a decade ago.


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Re: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[M Jarvis]

>
> I have nothing bad to say about the report wizard as it's a quick/dirty
> way for me to get report data fast.  It's the app generator wizard iirc
> that made me cringe.  But to be fair...that was over a decade ago.
>

As I recall, after sub-classing the forms and controls for the wizard
to use, and knowing about 3-4 tweaks to always make for the navigation
buttons, the Form Wizard seemed to be a decent go-to tool for when I
wanted to just bang out a form...

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RE: DBF Synchronization

[José Enrique Llopis]

I agree with in the first 4 points

¿Why you cannot sync more than one client at the same time?

Yes, it's very complex

Pepe Llopis


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Paul McNett
Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2012 20:26
Para: profox@leafe.com
Asunto: Re: DBF Synchronization

On 5/7/12 2:39 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Good points, but begs the question:  is this a 1-way synch or 2-way?  In
> other words, are changes on the laptop only going to the server, or is
> it possible for server changes to be newer than the laptop and thus you
> go that direction (from server to laptop db)?  If you have the date/time
> stamping like Stephen said, it helps make this possible.

I have five things to offer as requirements for true 2-way synchronization
between 
any number of clients:

1) all timestamps stored in UTC (duh).
2) all clients sync with ntp server regularly to avoid time drift
3) UUID primary keys generated on the client side
4) transaction log kept on server and on client for use in the 2-way sync
5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing at
the same time

Paul

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Re: HELP! I'm getting a record out of range in my new form.

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 2:35 PM, Lou Syracuse wrote:
> Yeah, but it hasn't changed in a decade either.   lol

LOL!  Yeah...very true.  I *still* wouldn't recommend using it!


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Re: [OT] Hank on to Bammer

[Michael Madigan]

Old news. 



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Re: Started learning C# today

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 02:33 PM, MB Software Solutions,LLC
wrote:


> > But personally I'm not keen on this.
> 
> 
> May I ask "why not?"  

Maybe because to do that your class has to implement IEnumerable ? 
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[OT] Romney 49 - Obama 44. Buh Bye Barry

[Michael Madigan]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll 

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Paul Hill]

On 8 May 2012 20:08, Alan Bourke  wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 02:33 PM, MB Software Solutions,        LLC
> wrote:
>
>> > But personally I'm not keen on this.
>>
>>
>> May I ask "why not?"

Not sure :-)  Doesn't seem to 'fit' right.

> Maybe because to do that your class has to implement IEnumerable ?

It doesn't.

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RE: Started learning C# today

[Tracy Pearson]

MB Software Solutions,  LLC wrote on 2012-05-08: 
>  On 5/8/2012 10:23 AM, Paul Hill wrote:
>  You can do this in C#:
>  
>  MyClass class1 = new MyClass()
>  {
>> Field1 = DateTime.Now,
>> Field2 = 1234,
>> Field3 = "test",
>> Field4 = false;
>> };
>> 
>> But personally I'm not keen on this.
> 
> 
>  May I ask "why not?"  That looks like the same as a defined class in VFP:
>  
>  DEFINE CLASS Paul as Custom
>   Field1 = DateTime()
>   Field2 = 1234
>   Field3 = "test"
>   Field4 = .F.
>  ENDDEFINE
>

The C# syntax is the instantiation, the VFP is the declaration. 



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Re: Started learning C# today

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On 5/8/2012 3:08 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 02:33 PM, MB Software Solutions,LLC
> wrote:
>
>
>>> But personally I'm not keen on this.
>>
>>
>> May I ask "why not?"
>
> Maybe because to do that your class has to implement IEnumerable ?



So?  What's the big deal?  Teach me a lesson on this!  lol

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Re: Started learning C# today

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 3:12 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote:
> MB Software Solutions,LLC wrote on 2012-05-08:
>>   On 5/8/2012 10:23 AM, Paul Hill wrote:
>>   You can do this in C#:
>>
>>   MyClass class1 = new MyClass()
>>   {
>>>  Field1 = DateTime.Now,
>>>  Field2 = 1234,
>>>  Field3 = "test",
>>>  Field4 = false;
>>> };
>>>
>>> But personally I'm not keen on this.
>>
>>
>>   May I ask "why not?"  That looks like the same as a defined class in VFP:
>>
>>   DEFINE CLASS Paul as Custom
>>  Field1 = DateTime()
>>  Field2 = 1234
>>  Field3 = "test"
>>  Field4 = .F.
>>   ENDDEFINE
>>
>
> The C# syntax is the instantiation, the VFP is the declaration.

True, but of course I could pass parms in the instantiation of the VFP 
object to set the parms as well, either by explicit parms or better yet 
a parameter object handled in the object's Init event.


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Re: [OT] Hank on to Bammer

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> Old news. 

Hi Michael,

Important to remember that the Bammer has a "History". Unless you are 
going to give him a pass on anything outside of the current news cycle.

I don't think you, or anybody, should ever forget the stuff he has done 
and is likely to continue doing given the chance.

> http://www.newser.com/story/130084/hank-williams-jr-compares-obama-hitler.html
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Re: Started learning C# today

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC
 wrote:
> On 5/8/2012 3:08 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 02:33 PM, MB Software Solutions,        LLC
>> wrote:
>>
>>
 But personally I'm not keen on this.
>>>
>>>
>>> May I ask "why not?"
>>
>> Maybe because to do that your class has to implement IEnumerable ?
>
>
>
> So?  What's the big deal?  Teach me a lesson on this!  lol
---

I use this for defining my data classes:

using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Linq;
using System.Text;
using System.Runtime.Serialization;   << Add a reference to your
project for this

namespace aCompnay.DataClasses
{
[DataContract(Name = "poLine", Namespace =
"http://schemas.aCompany.com/Tools/PO/v1.0";)]
public class POLine
{

[DataMember(Name = "POID", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public Int32 poiD
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "POLinesID", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public Int32 poLinesID
{
get;
set;
}

[DataMember(Name = "LineNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String lineNumber
{
get;
set;
}
//
[DataMember(Name = "Quantity", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String quantity
{
get;
set;
}

[DataMember(Name = "UOM", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String uom
{
get;
set;
}

[DataMember(Name = "Price", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String poCurrency
{
get;
set;
}

[DataMember(Name = "CustomerItemNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String customerItemNumber
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "RingItemNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String ringItemNumber
{
get;
set;
}
//

[DataMember(Name = "Description", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String description
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "Warehouse", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String warehouse
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "BaseUnitCode", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String baseUnitCode
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "POShipments", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public List poShipments
{
get;
set;
}
[DataMember(Name = "Price", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
public String price
{
get;
set;
}
}
}


In your other class that is getting data :

POline pol = new POLine();
pol.warehouse="ABC";




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Re: DBF Synchronization

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Paul McNett  wrote:
> On 5/7/12 2:39 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>> Good points, but begs the question:  is this a 1-way synch or 2-way?  In
>> other words, are changes on the laptop only going to the server, or is
>> it possible for server changes to be newer than the laptop and thus you
>> go that direction (from server to laptop db)?  If you have the date/time
>> stamping like Stephen said, it helps make this possible.
>
> I have five things to offer as requirements for true 2-way synchronization 
> between
> any number of clients:
---
> 1) all timestamps stored in UTC (duh).

#1 mistake I have seen is this one!


> 5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing at 
> the same time

 Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch when
the sales team is all present.


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Re: DBF Synchronization

[Paul McNett]

On 5/8/12 1:02 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> >  5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing 
>> > at the same time
>   Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch when
> the sales team is all present.

I guess that isn't really a hard requirement, but it sure makes reliable 
syncing a 
lot harder to implement.

Paul

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Re: DBF Synchronization

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/8/2012 4:02 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>> 5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing at 
>> the same time
>
>   Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch when
> the sales team is all present.


Salesman #1 updates Acme Company customer records.  So does Salesman #2. 
  Who's update sticks?  Is it "last change in" ?  (Devil's advocate)


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Re: DBF Synchronization

[Paul McNett]

On 5/8/12 1:16 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 5/8/2012 4:02 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>>> >>  5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from syncing 
>>> >> at the same time
>> >
>> > Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch when
>> >  the sales team is all present.
>
> Salesman #1 updates Acme Company customer records.  So does Salesman #2.
>Who's update sticks?  Is it "last change in" ?  (Devil's advocate)

I guess the rule should be whoever's update happened chronologically after the 
other 
(remember everyone is time synced).

But then you have the possibility of one salesperson thinking that their update 
stuck 
(because he or she sync'd first). No big deal, since chronological is how it 
usually 
works anyway.

Paul


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Re: DBF Synchronization

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On 5/8/2012 4:20 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 5/8/12 1:16 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>> On 5/8/2012 4:02 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>>   5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from 
>> syncing at the same time

  Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch when
   the sales team is all present.
>>
>> Salesman #1 updates Acme Company customer records.  So does Salesman #2.
>> Who's update sticks?  Is it "last change in" ?  (Devil's advocate)
>
> I guess the rule should be whoever's update happened chronologically after 
> the other
> (remember everyone is time synced).
>
> But then you have the possibility of one salesperson thinking that their 
> update stuck
> (because he or she sync'd first). No big deal, since chronological is how it 
> usually
> works anyway.

Right.  There's no real way to avoid a mistaken update in this situation 
without extensive coding.


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[OT] Chicago thugs killing Bammer adversaries

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Hi Everybody,

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Ricardo Araoz]

On 08/05/12 16:59, Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC
>  wrote:
>> On 5/8/2012 3:08 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012, at 02:33 PM, MB Software Solutions,LLC
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
> But personally I'm not keen on this.

 May I ask "why not?"
>>> Maybe because to do that your class has to implement IEnumerable ?
>>
>>
>> So?  What's the big deal?  Teach me a lesson on this!  lol
> ---
>
> I use this for defining my data classes:
>
> using System;
> using System.Collections.Generic;
> using System.Linq;
> using System.Text;
> using System.Runtime.Serialization;   << Add a reference to your
> project for this
>
> namespace aCompnay.DataClasses
> {
> [DataContract(Name = "poLine", Namespace =
> "http://schemas.aCompany.com/Tools/PO/v1.0";)]
> public class POLine
> {
>
> [DataMember(Name = "POID", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public Int32 poiD
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "POLinesID", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public Int32 poLinesID
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
>
> [DataMember(Name = "LineNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String lineNumber
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> //
> [DataMember(Name = "Quantity", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String quantity
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
>
> [DataMember(Name = "UOM", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String uom
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
>
> [DataMember(Name = "Price", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String poCurrency
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
>
> [DataMember(Name = "CustomerItemNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = 
> true)]
> public String customerItemNumber
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "RingItemNumber", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String ringItemNumber
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> //
>
> [DataMember(Name = "Description", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String description
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "Warehouse", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String warehouse
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "BaseUnitCode", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String baseUnitCode
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "POShipments", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public List poShipments
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> [DataMember(Name = "Price", Order = 1, IsRequired = true)]
> public String price
> {
> get;
> set;
> }
> }
> }
>
>
> In your other class that is getting data :
>
> POline pol = new POLine();
> pol.warehouse="ABC";
>

Loved to read your code. Made me love Python even more.


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[NF] Debugging in VS 2010 (C#) -- Immediate Window

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Hey!  That kind looks like the Command Window.  Was there always an 
Immediate Window in VS?

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Re: Started learning C# today

[Ed Leafe]

On May 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote:

> Loved to read your code. Made me love Python even more.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing.


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Re: Started learning C# today

[Paul McNett]

On 5/8/12 3:15 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On May 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote:
>
>> Loved to read your code. Made me love Python even more.
>
>   Ha! I was thinking the same thing.

In Python we like to come up with the tersest readable way to define our 
classes. 
Lack of quality is too easily obscured by quantity. (I have no idea if the code 
you 
posted is of high or low standards, Stephen, since I have no interest in C#. 
I'm just 
sayin'.)

Paul


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Re: DBF Synchronization

[Rafael Copquin]

But the thing is, why should one salesperson step on the toes of another 
salesperson? I mean, the ACME Co should be served by one person, because 
it is located in the geographical area assigned to her/him by 
management. Another salesperson would be assigned another co and so on. 
Unless, clients's branches are in many areas. This is a management 
issue, in my view. All we programmers can do is follow the company rules 
and adapt our routines accordingly.

But the basics of synchronization as described here by a few of us 
should be the way to go. Then you can adapt for the different situations.

Rafael Copquin


El 08/05/2012 05:25 p.m., MB Software Solutions, LLC escribió:
> On 5/8/2012 4:20 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> On 5/8/12 1:16 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>>> On 5/8/2012 4:02 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>>>5) syncing a client to a server should block other clients from 
>>> syncing at the same time
>   Not sure about only one at a time.  Makes Monday morning a bitch 
> when
>the sales team is all present.
>>> Salesman #1 updates Acme Company customer records.  So does Salesman #2.
>>>  Who's update sticks?  Is it "last change in" ?  (Devil's advocate)
>> I guess the rule should be whoever's update happened chronologically after 
>> the other
>> (remember everyone is time synced).
>>
>> But then you have the possibility of one salesperson thinking that their 
>> update stuck
>> (because he or she sync'd first). No big deal, since chronological is how it 
>> usually
>> works anyway.
> Right.  There's no real way to avoid a mistaken update in this situation
> without extensive coding.
>
>

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Re: [NF] Debugging in VS 2010 (C#) -- Immediate Window

[Tracy Pearson]

"MB Software Solutions, LLC"  
wrote:

>Hey!  That kind looks like the Command Window.  Was there always an 
>Immediate Window in VS?
>
>-- 

I've seen it since VS 2005. It is nothing like the VFP command window.
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Re: [OT] Turns out Travolta is a faggot

[Michael Madigan]

Vinnie Barbarino bobs on the weeno


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Subject: [OT] Turns out Travolta is a faggot

Hi Everybody,

Can't say I am surprised.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/08/second-lawsuit-masseur-sex-john-travolta-sexual-assault/?intcmp=features
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RE: Started learning C# today

[Christina Bull]

I suspected as much :-)  (special price)

Like the look of that book too  - thanks Lou and thanks all of you for the
encouragement.  I do have a project coming up .. .maybe there is something
in just diving in.

Christina Bull
DataHouse
www.datahouse.com.au


-Original Message-
From: Lou Syracuse [mailto:l...@iconmediadirect.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:37 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Started learning C# today

Their "special" rate of $99 has been in place for over 2 years, they just
change the date on the homepage.  I've been a member there for two years;
remember to cancel if you don't want them to auto-renew you.  :)

It's not a bad deal, I use it more as a reference than sitting down and
watching a series from beginning to end.  If you're just getting started in
.NET I recommend learning C#.   VB.Net was an easier transition for me from
VFP, and the companies I worked for were VB.Net shops (one slowly changed to
C#).  After doing VB.Net for 5 years and am moving to C# too as it seems to
be more widely used.  Just take a look at the online job listings...

Actually I got about 1/2 way through a  really good C# book before the
day-job job busy and I started working on an outside web project.  Check out
"Head First C#" from O'Reilly.   It is not your fathers' textbook as they
take a little different approach to learning, but it might be look.  As
always, YMMV.   :) 

http://www.headfirstlabs.com/books/hfcsharp/ 

ls


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Behalf Of Christina Bull
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 3:52 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Started learning C# today

I shook hands with my husband last night and promised that by September 1st,
I too would start learning C#.  

I just checked out LearnDevNow.com and the special they are running at the
moment looks very good.  $99 for annual subscription instead of $349...  I
might just subscribe.  I've already been to http://tinyurl.com/ch768jr and
downloaded some manuals but they've been sitting on the hard drive untouched
now for ages...  

Will be interested in how your fair Mike with the skills transfer - I think
that's what is holding me up from making the shift - I don't like the idea
of knowing what I "want" to do in code, but having to re-learn "how" to do
it.

Keep me posted :-)

Christina Bull
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Re: Started learning C# today

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Paul McNett  wrote:
> On 5/8/12 3:15 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
>> On May 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote:
>>
>>> Loved to read your code. Made me love Python even more.
>>
>>       Ha! I was thinking the same thing.
>
> In Python we like to come up with the tersest readable way to define our 
> classes.
> Lack of quality is too easily obscured by quantity. (I have no idea if the 
> code you
> posted is of high or low standards, Stephen, since I have no interest in C#. 
> I'm just
> sayin'.)


likewise


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Re: [OT] Last year it was flash mobs, now "for Trayvon"

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 5/5/2012 2:13 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> I won't be going to Baltimore or Philadelphia in the foreseeable future.


fyi -- They got the dirtbags who perpetrated the attack on that dude 
around St. Patrick's Day here in Baltimore.


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