Re: [NF] XBone drama
I'll probably be an early adopter to the PS4. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2013/jun/18/xbox-one-vs-playstation-4-at-a-glance Regards, LelandJ On 06/21/2013 08:42 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Even after the u-turns, I'm still firmly in the PS4 camp at the minute, because the Xbox is €100 more expensive due to having an integrated Kinect that I don't want. There are no platform exclusives that would push me toward Microsoft at the minute, the only potential issue is if Sony don't sort out the utterly ridiculous state of affairs where the PS3 is downloading multi-GB patches the whole time. Games? Yeah, there were a few stand-outs. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c47dcd.4040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] XBone drama
On 06/21/2013 11:22 AM, lelandj wrote: I'll probably be an early adopter to the PS4. I'm also considering building my own Linux multimedia player. The motherboards, CPUs, GPUs, video cards, ssd or traditional disk drives, ddr5 memory, etc are all readily available. A $400.00 to $600.00 video card would really keep a 1920 x 1080 P screen moving smoothly along, or a game for that matter. LOL I could hook the computer directly to a HDTV and eliminate the media server software, (middle man). I know the Xbox One and PS4 are 6 to 8 magnitures more powerful than the thier previous generation, but a computer like I,m talking about would make the PS4 and Xbox One look like wimps. LOL Regards, LelandJ http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2013/jun/18/xbox-one-vs-playstation-4-at-a-glance Regards, LelandJ On 06/21/2013 08:42 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Even after the u-turns, I'm still firmly in the PS4 camp at the minute, because the Xbox is €100 more expensive due to having an integrated Kinect that I don't want. There are no platform exclusives that would push me toward Microsoft at the minute, the only potential issue is if Sony don't sort out the utterly ridiculous state of affairs where the PS3 is downloading multi-GB patches the whole time. Games? Yeah, there were a few stand-outs. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c4a1dc.2020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Emulate Apple iPad OS?
On 06/20/2013 06:25 AM, Paul Hill wrote: On 19 June 2013 19:18, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: iOS only runs on the ARM CPU, so visualizing iOS on any other computer will not work. Yet this works fine[1] with Google's free Android emulator. Can't say I'm supprised there is no iOS emulator. Want to try your iPhone app on an iPad? Easy, buy one of each size! I suspect that iOS could run on other CPU platforms seeing as it shares common code with OSX. [1] OK, it's as slow as treacle unless you use the x86 version (which clashes with HyperV on my system). Yes, iSO is compiled exclusive to the ARM CPU. It's Apple proprietary, so source code would not be available to compile on anything else. I've never liked emulators; because, they seem to alway be slow and buggy, plus they seem to constantly be behind the emulated app's curve. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c300ee.8080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Emulate Apple iPad OS?
On 06/20/2013 09:00 AM, Paul Hill wrote: On 20 June 2013 14:17, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Yes, iSO is compiled exclusive to the ARM CPU. It's Apple proprietary, so source code would not be available to compile on anything else. I've never liked emulators; because, they seem to alway be slow and buggy, plus they seem to constantly be behind the emulated app's curve. For gaming, emulators are great! The MAME arcade emulator WinUAE Amiga emulator are my favourites. Well, at least you don't have to worry about being too far behind the curve of the emulated apps and hardware targeted by MAME and WinUAE, since most of the arcade software and Amiga computer went out of production a long time age. LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c322fc.5030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Emulate Apple iPad OS?
On 06/20/2013 11:43 AM, Paul Hill wrote: On 20 June 2013 16:42, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 06/20/2013 09:00 AM, Paul Hill wrote: The MAME arcade emulator WinUAE Amiga emulator are my favourites. Well, at least you don't have to worry about being too far behind the curve of the emulated apps and hardware targeted by MAME and WinUAE, since most of the arcade software and Amiga computer went out of production a long time age. LOL I'll have you know the Amiga's not dead! Mine still works. Probably. If I could find the box it's packed away in. Good One. LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c33d92.2050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Intel i5 vs. Xeon CPU for a data server
On 06/19/2013 02:16 AM, Mike Copeland wrote: Thanks Leland. The i5 my current build is using has 4 cores and Linux shows that it rarely uses more than two. I guess my users just aren't very demanding! Mike My build is an AMD Phenom II X6 1100T with 16GB memory running out of my house. I'm running several apps off this one box including PostgreSQL, Apache, Postfix and dbmail. A modperl application running under Apache connects to the PostgreSQL database using a customary web based interface. This means all connection to my PostgreSQL database are local, (eg Apache connects to posgreSQL responding to users accessing web pages. I think this is more secure, but less efficient than a more direct connection model; because, PostgreSQL uses the Apache web server like a proxy or middle man. LOL PostgreSQL can make good use of multi-core processors; even though PostgreSQL is not multithreaded. PostgreSQL uses connection pooling to reduce process costs, in which connections are reused as they become available. PosgreSQL can have multiple concurrent connections with each connection running under its own process simultaneously with other query processes, but no parallel processing, where many thread, (eg small processes), run under a single process. I really don't need parallelism where a single query is broken down into multiple jobs running conurrently. PostgreSQL is my database of choice, especially when running under UNIX or Linux. Its strong, reliable, and compliant. Relatively specking, my system is practically under no load, so I'm good to go here at the house. If I ever needed a real server, I would probably need to move operations to an outside location; because, there are so many other limiting factors besides CPU power. Regards, LelandJ Original Message Subject: Re: [NF] Intel i5 vs. Xeon CPU for a data server From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 6/18/2013 4:32 PM The server CPU, (eg AMD's Opteron and Intel's Xeon), come with 8, 12, 16, 32, etc cores per CPU, which are useful with multithreaded applications design to serve multiple local and internet users accessing the application concurrently. Also, the design of the motherboards, using server CPUs, often come with sockets to handle multiple CPUs. This allow the server computer to push much more bandwidth out than the typical desktop computer, given the same scenario. Regards, LelandJ #--- Excerpt The server CPU http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance# and desktop CPU are designed with two different targets in mind. Server CPU's are meant to handle many tasks simultaneously and efficiently so that multiple users can operate from it with adequate performance. Desktop CPU's are meant to handle a couple of simultaneous tasks quickly so that one user can operate with good performance. Without getting into CPU architecture http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance#, for a person using a desktop for normal desktop operations (word processing, internet browsing, media playback, gaming, etc) a desktop CPU is what you want; however, if you run virtual sessions, have multiple users accessing your computer running terminal services or if you have large databases stored on your computer which are being accessed routinely then you most certainly want a server CPU. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance #--- #--- Excerpt The differences between desktop and server CPUs: 1. Lifespan and duty cycle. Server CPUs are rated to run for longer periods of time at 100% sustained loads, whereas desktop parts are rated for less (although they will often run darn near forever.) I know AMD rates their Opterons for 5 years at 100% load 24/7 versus three years for the desktop chips. 2. Price. A server chip that is essentially identical to a desktop chip will cost somewhat more. 3. The ability to handle server-type platform features like error-correcting memory (although all of AMD's desktop CPUs with the possible exception of the Semprons have ECC support as well) and registered memory. 4. Some server chips can be run in multiple-CPU setups, whereas all desktop CPUs have been strictly single-CPU-only setups for quite a few years. They have this ability either through additional I/O links that desktop CPUs lack or have disabled. 5. Server CPUs frequently use different sockets than desktop CPUs. Server CPUs running in two-CPU setups sometimes use different sockets than desktop and server CPUs for four-CPU and higher servers always use different sockets than desktop. 6. Server CPUs frequently have more cores than desktop CPUs, since server workloads are much more multithreaded than most desktop workloads. AMD sells 8 and 12
Re: [NF] Intel i5 vs. Xeon CPU for a data server
On 06/19/2013 10:05 AM, lelandj wrote: On 06/19/2013 02:16 AM, Mike Copeland wrote: Thanks Leland. The i5 my current build is using has 4 cores and Linux shows that it rarely uses more than two. I guess my users just aren't very demanding! Mike My build is an AMD Phenom II X6 1100T with 16GB memory running out of my house. I'm running several apps off this one box including PostgreSQL, Apache, Postfix and dbmail. A modperl application running under Apache connects to the PostgreSQL database using a customary web based interface. This means all connection to my PostgreSQL database are local, (eg Apache connects to posgreSQL responding to users accessing web pages. I think this is more secure, but less efficient than a more direct connection model; because, PostgreSQL uses the Apache web server like a proxy or middle man. LOL PostgreSQL can make good use of multi-core processors; even though PostgreSQL is not multithreaded. PostgreSQL uses connection pooling to reduce process costs, in which connections are reused as they become available. PosgreSQL can have multiple concurrent connections with each connection running under its own process simultaneously with other query processes, but no parallel processing, where many thread, (eg small processes), run under a single process. I really don't need parallelism where a single query is broken down into multiple jobs running conurrently. PostgreSQL is my database of choice, especially when running under UNIX or Linux. Its strong, reliable, and compliant. Relatively specking, my system is practically under no load, so I'm good to go here at the house. If I ever needed a real server, I would probably need to move operations to an outside location; because, there are so many other limiting factors besides CPU power. Regards, LelandJ I forgot to mention that PostgreSQL is not only strong, reliable, and compliant, but its also 100% open source. Regards, LelandJ Original Message Subject: Re: [NF] Intel i5 vs. Xeon CPU for a data server From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 6/18/2013 4:32 PM The server CPU, (eg AMD's Opteron and Intel's Xeon), come with 8, 12, 16, 32, etc cores per CPU, which are useful with multithreaded applications design to serve multiple local and internet users accessing the application concurrently. Also, the design of the motherboards, using server CPUs, often come with sockets to handle multiple CPUs. This allow the server computer to push much more bandwidth out than the typical desktop computer, given the same scenario. Regards, LelandJ #--- Excerpt The server CPU http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance# and desktop CPU are designed with two different targets in mind. Server CPU's are meant to handle many tasks simultaneously and efficiently so that multiple users can operate from it with adequate performance. Desktop CPU's are meant to handle a couple of simultaneous tasks quickly so that one user can operate with good performance. Without getting into CPU architecture http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance#, for a person using a desktop for normal desktop operations (word processing, internet browsing, media playback, gaming, etc) a desktop CPU is what you want; however, if you run virtual sessions, have multiple users accessing your computer running terminal services or if you have large databases stored on your computer which are being accessed routinely then you most certainly want a server CPU. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance #--- #--- Excerpt The differences between desktop and server CPUs: 1. Lifespan and duty cycle. Server CPUs are rated to run for longer periods of time at 100% sustained loads, whereas desktop parts are rated for less (although they will often run darn near forever.) I know AMD rates their Opterons for 5 years at 100% load 24/7 versus three years for the desktop chips. 2. Price. A server chip that is essentially identical to a desktop chip will cost somewhat more. 3. The ability to handle server-type platform features like error-correcting memory (although all of AMD's desktop CPUs with the possible exception of the Semprons have ECC support as well) and registered memory. 4. Some server chips can be run in multiple-CPU setups, whereas all desktop CPUs have been strictly single-CPU-only setups for quite a few years. They have this ability either through additional I/O links that desktop CPUs lack or have disabled. 5. Server CPUs frequently use different sockets than desktop CPUs. Server CPUs running in two-CPU setups sometimes use different sockets than desktop and server CPUs for four-CPU and higher servers always use different sockets
Re: [NF] Emulate Apple iPad OS?
On 06/19/2013 12:23 PM, M Jarvis wrote: We are getting more and more requests from users (doctors etc) that want to access our system remotely using wiz bang stuff like Apple iPads and such... We have zero Apple product capability here so are pretty unfamiliar with it so are looking at going out and buying one just to test with. Question: is there a good way to emulate iOS within a pc platform i.e. laptop? iOS only runs on the ARM CPU, so visualizing iSO on any other computer will not work. Below is a link to some ARM iOS emulators. AMD plans to release an ARM-based server CPU in the second half of 2014, (eg second link below). http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/arm.shtml http://seekingalpha.com/currents/post/1091122 Regards, LelandJ Just being a casual listener to all-thing-Apple my understanding is that iOS can do Windows, but nobody can do iOS except iOS... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51c1f5de.5010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Intel i5 vs. Xeon CPU for a data server
The server CPU, (eg AMD's Opteron and Intel's Xeon), come with 8, 12, 16, 32, etc cores per CPU, which are useful with multithreaded applications design to serve multiple local and internet users accessing the application concurrently. Also, the design of the motherboards, using server CPUs, often come with sockets to handle multiple CPUs. This allow the server computer to push much more bandwidth out than the typical desktop computer, given the same scenario. Regards, LelandJ #--- Excerpt The server CPU http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance# and desktop CPU are designed with two different targets in mind. Server CPU's are meant to handle many tasks simultaneously and efficiently so that multiple users can operate from it with adequate performance. Desktop CPU's are meant to handle a couple of simultaneous tasks quickly so that one user can operate with good performance. Without getting into CPU architecture http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance#, for a person using a desktop for normal desktop operations (word processing, internet browsing, media playback, gaming, etc) a desktop CPU is what you want; however, if you run virtual sessions, have multiple users accessing your computer running terminal services or if you have large databases stored on your computer which are being accessed routinely then you most certainly want a server CPU. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350660-28-server-desktop-gaming-performance #--- #--- Excerpt The differences between desktop and server CPUs: 1. Lifespan and duty cycle. Server CPUs are rated to run for longer periods of time at 100% sustained loads, whereas desktop parts are rated for less (although they will often run darn near forever.) I know AMD rates their Opterons for 5 years at 100% load 24/7 versus three years for the desktop chips. 2. Price. A server chip that is essentially identical to a desktop chip will cost somewhat more. 3. The ability to handle server-type platform features like error-correcting memory (although all of AMD's desktop CPUs with the possible exception of the Semprons have ECC support as well) and registered memory. 4. Some server chips can be run in multiple-CPU setups, whereas all desktop CPUs have been strictly single-CPU-only setups for quite a few years. They have this ability either through additional I/O links that desktop CPUs lack or have disabled. 5. Server CPUs frequently use different sockets than desktop CPUs. Server CPUs running in two-CPU setups sometimes use different sockets than desktop and server CPUs for four-CPU and higher servers always use different sockets than desktop. 6. Server CPUs frequently have more cores than desktop CPUs, since server workloads are much more multithreaded than most desktop workloads. AMD sells 8 and 12-core server CPUs and Intel sells 8-core server CPUs, while none of them sell more than 6-core CPUs for desktops. Server motherboards are considerably different from desktop motherboards. Server motherboards are built for reliability and stability, not for flashiness. They use generic green PCBs with simple, unadorned heatsinks http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/298442-28-desktop-server# and have absolutely no overclocking options whatsoever. They almost all have a rudimentary onboard graphics chip that hangs off the PCI or PCIe bus rather than sitting in the northbridge. They also have serial ports, PS/2 ports, generally have at least two gigabit Ethernet ports, rarely have onboard sound, and frequently have only a couple of USB ports. They also frequently have many more RAM slots than desktop boards, multiple CPU sockets, SAS controllers, and are often larger than desktop boards. Oh, and they also cost quite a bit more than a desktop board that is otherwise similar. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/298442-28-desktop-server #- Regards, Lelandj On 06/18/2013 02:12 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: I agree w/Ted! For me - powerful CPU is SUPER Useful - since I do 3D graphics and now slicing of 3D files for rapid prototyping. But, for server stuff - I always figured through put of data - like Fast HD's, and internet connection is better bang for Buck. I never personally did RAID Arrays - but, that's supposed be another big deal for Data Servers - which Ted didn't touch on. And, I am in NO WAY an expert on HW (although - I personally built my last 3 or 4 Workstations) - nor an expert on RAID (never implemented it myself). I have just heard that if you do RAID (at least the one kind) - the data can literally be pulled off TWO Drives at the SAME time - which should give a Significant boost to data serving applications! And - yeah - always throw as much RAM at the system that you can... Happy Computing! -K
Re: [NF] Standard Email Sender Verification Procedures
The administrator of the mail server has the authority to set email quotas on a per user basis. In my system, which runs Fedora, Postfix, Dbmail, and PostgreSQL, setting the quota to 0 allows a user to have an unlimited amount of space on the mail server for emails. Otherwise, quotas on each user account is set to some reasonable amount of server disk space. Once a user hits his quota limit, the user is required to clean up his emails in order to continue using his email account on the mail server. You might talk to your administrator to see if he/she would remove quotas on your email account(s) by setting them to zero, or raise the quota limit on the account(s) over quota. I'm using Thunderbird as my email client. I can check my email account quotas on my mail server by right clicking on an email folder, selecting properties, and then clicking on the quota tab. This allow me to easily identify quota problems and delete emails on over quota situations; until, they the space used by the user falls back below quota limits. Regards, LelandJ On 04/29/2013 03:19 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I might not be understanding your question, but I would test the provider's server using Telnet. I think you may not be (or I'm not understanding your explanations). My problem is this: I am u...@mydomain.net. That email address is managed by a company that I pay for the privilege. My desktop email client uses POP/SMTP. It is set to leave messages on the server for a certain number of days and then delete them. This so that the account can be accessed from more than one email client. Yes, I know IMAP can handle this differently but for now let us just assume that I continue to use POP/SMTP (as I had been using for well over a decade without problems until late 2010 or so). Now, the mailbox for u...@mydomain.net on the server is full. I can determine this by checking the webmail, or by trying to send a message to that account and receiving a mailbox over-quota bounce message. Now, while that mailbox is full, I try to SEND email FROM u...@mydomain.net to ANYBODY. The recipient is irrelevant. When I attempt to send the message, I do not receive a bounce-back email. I immediately get 550 Sender verify failed in my email client's error display. My mail provider says that he's using a callback procedure that involves trying to deliver an email to u...@mydomain.net. He says that if the server returns anything other than 250 OK, he sends back the 550 error. My complaint is that his server should be able to differentiate account does not exist from other possible sources of results other than 250, and if the account actually exists, then his server should allow me to send messages. If it will help, I've included a (lightly) edited transcript of my email conversation with the provider about this, below. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org Here are the pertinent parts of the email conversation I had with the provider. If this makes sense to anyone, please let me know. (Actually, the provider's behavior first changed, to start sending 550 Sender Verify Failed if the sender's mailbox was full, in late 2010.) Me: People here frequently have full mailboxes; that situation gets rectified within a matter of days in the normal course of business. They should not have to be bothered by whether their mailbox is full at the moment they want to SEND an email to somebody else. So can you please turn this behavior off for STIC's email accounts? Provider: It is not possible to disable it on a per domain basis, and we are not going to disable it on the per server basis, sorry. It prevents soo much invalid / spam mail. The reason it fails is this,. the server does an SMTP callback to the mx for the domain and try to deliver a mail. Since the mailbox is full it gets fail. We are using totally different mail server software now, then before the move/upgrade hence the reason we cannot disable it. Your options are to either disable quotas on individual boxes, or make sure that people don't let their mailbox fill up. Me: IMO, a bad design, since it monitors an irrelevant state in order to make a decision about something completely different. Simply put, in real terms, full mailbox invalid sender. Mailbox exists == valid sender, but that is an entirely different thing. Provider: The problem is that you are looking at from the point of view that the MTA knows anything about the LDA, and they don't. MTA is the Mail Transfer Agent. The LDA is the Local Delivery agent. So when the MTA gets a message and it is looking to receive it. it looks at the MAIL FROM line. Once it gets that it issues the SMTP Callback to verify the existence of the account. It really doesn't even know that the account is local. So it issues the call back and it gets a temp failure code. The MTA only sees the temp failure code, it doesn't care about the english text
Re: [NF] Standard Email Sender Verification Procedures
On 04/30/2013 11:19 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: At 10:55 AM 4/30/2013 -0500, you wrote: The administrator of the mail server has the authority to set email quotas on a per user basis. In my system, which runs Fedora, Postfix, Dbmail, and PostgreSQL, setting the quota to 0 allows a user to have an unlimited amount of space on the mail server for emails. Otherwise, quotas on each user account is set to some reasonable amount of server disk space. Once a user hits his quota limit, the user is required to clean up his emails in order to continue using his email account on the mail server. You might talk to your administrator to see if he/she would remove quotas on your email account(s) by setting them to zero, or raise the quota limit on the account(s) over quota. I have administrative access to set quotas; I can use CPanel to do that for my domain. I do set quotas on most accounts as we have limited space, for each megabyte of which we have to pay. It is better to cause one mailbox to overflow than to potentially flood the entire domain space allocation and bring all email access to a screaming halt. I know when an account goes over quota, when a user informs me his account isn't working, and I check his quota status, and see its over limit. I then ask the user to clean up his emails to free up disk space, or in some situations, I up that users quota. Some accounts are set to unlimited emails. Do you know exactly the account(s) causing the problem? Several accounts are departmental; intended for access by all department members. Therefore they have to be set to retain email on the server for some number of days to ensure that all users can download them. Other accounts are used by the same person on multiple clients at multiple locations; all but one of those locations must retain email for some number of days. OK. That sounds fine. In that particular scenario (single user, multiple locations), webmail could be used, but I have yet to see a webmail interface that isn't slow, clunky, and somewhat error-ridden, even when used on a high-bandwidth service. Fat-client email applications are just faster, more flexible, and more reliable. Yes, a html email client like Squirrelmail or gmail is usually slower than a gui like Thunderbird running on the desktop, as the html email client refreshed over the internet, but that's not your problem. Nothing slows down an email server faster than a system without quotas that receives heavy traffic, much of which is span, and allows accounts with millions of emails. LOL. Regards, LelandJ Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/517ff778.2080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Standard Email Sender Verification Procedures
On 04/30/2013 12:13 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I know when an account goes over quota, when a user informs me his account isn't working, and I check his quota status, and see its over limit. I then ask the user to clean up his emails to free up disk space, or in some situations, I up that users quota. Some accounts are set to unlimited emails. Do you know exactly the account(s) causing the problem? Yes I do, though many users really have trouble following the simple directions I provide on how to clean up their boxes. I try to get them to do it but there is a persistent percentage who will mess it up. And if they're using multiple accounts on Thunderbird (which happens if they work part-time for more than one department), they will also sometimes do it for the wrong account. *sigh* So sometimes I just go into the webmail and clean it myself, and if there's a persistent problem with one account I will increase the quota. Last December, a few people who correspond with us unleashed viruses on their machines and/or had their Yahoo email accounts hacked (Yahoo email really, really, really sucks), and suddenly the daily influx of spam messages across all accounts in my domain went from about 400 to about 4000, and the influx of malware went from near zero to a couple dozen. Since then over-quota situations have increased significantly. It's one thing if a user can't *receive* email for a day or two until I can get around to dealing with it. It's another if that user can't *send* email when the mailbox is full due to the email provider's insane method of verifying users. That's what prompted this whole thread. So I'm giving serious thought to using another SMTP address. My email hosting provider is not the same as my connectivity provider; the connectivity provider may have an SMTP server I can use, so I'm looking into that. SMTP is the protocol, (eg Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), and the email address is the username, followed by a @, followed by the domain name. The outgoing SMTP server is the server that delivers emails going out from the email client and the SMTP incoming server is the server that has all the email accounts, (eg inbox and other folders). In my situation the SMTP incoming and outgoing servers are one and the same, but they can be completely different computers with different IPs. I'm not sure having a separate server to deliver emails would solve your problem. if an email was sent by a user, whose account was over quota, to be delivered by a separate outgoing server, any reply from a recipient would fail, due to quota limits, and the user whose account was over quota might not be notified of the problem. LOL From what I've gather from reading the threads, you're currently running on an ISP mail server that services accounts under multiple domains, (eg a single mail server servicing multiple domains), and you can administer your own domain with the HTML interface provided by your ISP. You might consider setting up another domain with your ISP devoted strictly for email services. Regards, LelandJ Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51800977.2010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dang, Leland!
On 04/25/2013 12:09 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: There you go again! www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130410/ARTICLE/130419993?tc=obinsite Better stop pushing the VW idea to these impressionable kids! I enjoyed the article. As noted in the comments, VWs sold in North America have their top speed capped by computer. The European countries get all the really good stuff from VW. Also, Europeans use their VW TDIs for towing, rather than buying heavy trucks and SUVs. I'll be towing my new Tracker Grizzly 1448 Jon boat with my 2012 VW golf TDI. VW discourages towing in the the USA market by not offering any OEM equipment, (eg trailer hitches, or other towing accessories), and publishing a very low tow weight limits in their manual. In the European markets the towing ability of VWs is used as a selling point and VWs consistently win the best tow vehicle awards). Just go the the British VW web site, (eg Google VW EU) and build a VW golf TDI. Then click on order a brochure and download the specifications. For all intent and purposes the European VW Golf TDI and USA VW Golf TDI and identical. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzkmR0tWA_UCryMTIx2BS1PzDhNtA8gZeu-N-ZdAM963l_5T9Mqw http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/02/the-great-american-anti-towing-conspiracy/ Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51798061.1060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dang, Leland!
On 04/25/2013 02:56 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:13 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 04/25/2013 12:09 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: There you go again! www.heraldtribune.com/article/**20130410/ARTICLE/130419993?tc=**obinsitehttp://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130410/ARTICLE/130419993?tc=obinsite Better stop pushing the VW idea to these impressionable kids! I enjoyed the article. As noted in the comments, VWs sold in North America have their top speed capped by computer. The European countries get all the really good stuff from VW. Also, Europeans use their VW TDIs for towing, rather than buying heavy trucks and SUVs. I'll be towing my new Tracker Grizzly 1448 Jon boat with my 2012 VW golf TDI. VW discourages towing in the the USA market by not offering any OEM equipment, (eg trailer hitches, or other towing accessories), and publishing a very low tow weight limits in their manual. In the European markets the towing ability of VWs is used as a selling point and VWs consistently win the best tow vehicle awards). Just go the the British VW web site, (eg Google VW EU) and build a VW golf TDI. Then click on order a brochure and download the specifications. For all intent and purposes the European VW Golf TDI and USA VW Golf TDI and identical. https://encrypted-tbn0.**gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:**ANd9GcTzkmR0tWA_** UCryMTIx2BS1PzDhNtA8gZeu-N-**ZdAM963l_5T9Mqwhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzkmR0tWA_UCryMTIx2BS1PzDhNtA8gZeu-N-ZdAM963l_5T9Mqw http://www.thetruthaboutcars.**com/2008/02/the-great-** american-anti-towing-**conspiracy/http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/02/the-great-american-anti-towing-conspiracy/ --- If you buy another one, place the order in US and pick up in Germany. They will put in the US admissions for you and all you have to do is drive it for a week and it is classified as a used car to American taxes. I know a few guys who have Mercedes this way. They said that the airfare and hotels were covered against the difference in teh purchase price. Or Free Vacation. I can see a few potential problems with that. I would love to have a VW Golf GTD TDI diesel, which I built using the UK VW website, and with navigation, and a few other things, it comes to around 32,000.00 British Pounds, which converts to 48,995.20 US Dollars; before destination and other charges. LOL Also, I'm afraid it would arrive with the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car, making me want to drive on the wrong side of the street. Not a good idea. The navigation system would probable come with European maps instead of USA maps. Also, I would hate to have to ship the car back to the UK for service under warranty. Those are just a few things, and don't include the surprises I would discover, after I took delivery of the car. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51799887.2060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Video card for new pc
On 04/19/2013 11:40 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote: Nvidia GeForce GT 660 Here is another gt 440 cart made by ASUS. It uses GDDR5, (eg 5th generation) memory, rather than the Gigabyte gt 440, which uses GDDR3, (eg 3rd generation memory), but the ASUS card only comes with 1 gb of memory, instead of 2gb offered on the Gigabyte gt440. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121426 The below link might also help you find the right card: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3973/nvidias-geforce-gt-430 Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51718c34.50...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Video card for new pc
I'm using the GIGABYTE GV-N430-2GI GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready video card. Its not a gaming card, but it suit my multimedia needs pretty well, and works well with Fedora Linux. You might check out thte specs. and reviews; although, newegg appears to presently be out of stock, this card is available for other sources. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125411nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvelcm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_- Regards, LelandJ On 04/18/2013 05:28 AM, James Harvey wrote: Contemplating a new pc for my home office to do VFP development and video editing (not professional editing, more like home movie stuff), and am asking for advice on the video card. The Nvidia GeForce GT 660 or AMD Radeon HD 7770 seem to be possibilities, but there are more video cards to look at than Carter's got little liver pills, and how does anyone know what's best? Here are the basic specs: Intel Core i7-3770 12 GB RAM 500 GB - 1 TB HDD Win 8 Prof. Blue-Ray burner p.s. I doubt I'd ever be doing any gaming on this pc. James E Harvey M.I.S. Hanover Shoe Farms, Inc. www.hanoverpa.com office: 717-637-8931 cell: 717-887-2565 fax: 717-637-6766 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51705175.5000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Mousewash
On 03/22/2013 05:27 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, My desk in my home office doubles as a dining table. Over a period of several years the mouse has absorbed it's share of spills and now the scroll wheel is gummed up with a variety of dried sauces, drinks and gravies. Any ideas on how to wash it? Doesn't seem to be any way to take it apart. Logitech optical USB . . . Hope this helps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19I7Td7gHlc Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/514d114b.8020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-)
the ground.” 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. #-- Regards, LelandJ On 03/20/2013 04:05 PM, Geoff Flight wrote: The 5000 year story (actually 6000 years to be correct) is no more than one man's rather fanciful work and the Bible itself says no such thing. I move heavily in church circles and know no one that actually believes it. Maybe in redneck wonderland it is common, but outside of there it is a theological curiosity that no one takes seriously and frankly, never did. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013 2:37 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-) I should have said 21st century, LOL, but getting back to our topic, it does appear the extreme right is beginning to moderate, after the crushing Republican defeats in the last two presidential elections. I'm no longer hearing Religious Righters, hear in Texas, screaming that the Biblical creation of the world only 5,000 year ago be taught in public school, along side the more scientific, traditional version of the same. Below is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the NY Times this morning: #- Excerpt: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, a Tea Party Republican, on Tuesday became the latest to embrace a more welcoming approach, declaring to the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants that if they want to work in America, “then we will find a place for you.” While he never uttered the word “citizenship” and said a secure border must come first, Mr. Paul strongly implied that citizenship would eventually be available to them. Republican sentiment for a more liberal immigration policy has been building in the aftermath of last year’s election. But Mr. Paul’s comments provided strong new evidence that the rising generation of conservative leaders is turning against the Republican argument that those who enter the country illegally should be denied the chance to become permanent residents. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/us/politics/gop-opposition-to-immigration- law-is-falling-away.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20130320_r=0 #- Regards, LelandJ On 03/20/2013 10:46 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: The 2100 century is only 207,900 years away. From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-) On 03/20/2013 06:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: El 19/03/13 12:48, Michael Madigan escribió: She's my bastard child, her mother raised her to be a Liberal since I didn't pay child support, Nope! You won't get away that easy. It says here you are a Dem. I always thought your stupid rants where just a devious way of driving people AWAY from the extreme right. I was spot on, it seems. The extreme right, including the religious righters, are the Neanderthal of the 2100 century. Neanderthal Man's lack of evolution resulted in their conquest and eventual assimilation by a more genetically fit man. Like the Neanderthal, that became extent so long ago, the extreme right must evolve/progress to face the realities of today's world, or be doomed to extinction. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/514b1a8d.6080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-)
On 03/20/2013 06:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: El 19/03/13 12:48, Michael Madigan escribió: She's my bastard child, her mother raised her to be a Liberal since I didn't pay child support, Nope! You won't get away that easy. It says here you are a Dem. I always thought your stupid rants where just a devious way of driving people AWAY from the extreme right. I was spot on, it seems. The extreme right, including the religious righters, are the Neanderthal of the 2100 century. Neanderthal Man's lack of evolution resulted in their conquest and eventual assimilation by a more genetically fit man. Like the Neanderthal, that became extent so long ago, the extreme right must evolve/progress to face the realities of today's world, or be doomed to extinction. Regards, LelandJ ppeared on the national stage in connection with a range of issues, including home foreclosures. Her father, House Speaker Michael Madigan, is the head of the Democratic Party in Illinois and arguably the most powerful Democrat in the state. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5149d40c.6060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-)
I should have said 21st century, LOL, but getting back to our topic, it does appear the extreme right is beginning to moderate, after the crushing Republican defeats in the last two presidential elections. I'm no longer hearing Religious Righters, hear in Texas, screaming that the Biblical creation of the world only 5,000 year ago be taught in public school, along side the more scientific, traditional version of the same. Below is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the NY Times this morning: #- Excerpt: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, a Tea Party Republican, on Tuesday became the latest to embrace a more welcoming approach, declaring to the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants that if they want to work in America, “then we will find a place for you.” While he never uttered the word “citizenship” and said a secure border must come first, Mr. Paul strongly implied that citizenship would eventually be available to them. Republican sentiment for a more liberal immigration policy has been building in the aftermath of last year’s election. But Mr. Paul’s comments provided strong new evidence that the rising generation of conservative leaders is turning against the Republican argument that those who enter the country illegally should be denied the chance to become permanent residents. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/us/politics/gop-opposition-to-immigration-law-is-falling-away.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20130320_r=0 #- Regards, LelandJ On 03/20/2013 10:46 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: The 2100 century is only 207,900 years away. From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-) On 03/20/2013 06:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: El 19/03/13 12:48, Michael Madigan escribió: She's my bastard child, her mother raised her to be a Liberal since I didn't pay child support, Nope! You won't get away that easy. It says here you are a Dem. I always thought your stupid rants where just a devious way of driving people AWAY from the extreme right. I was spot on, it seems. The extreme right, including the religious righters, are the Neanderthal of the 2100 century. Neanderthal Man's lack of evolution resulted in their conquest and eventual assimilation by a more genetically fit man. Like the Neanderthal, that became extent so long ago, the extreme right must evolve/progress to face the realities of today's world, or be doomed to extinction. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5149dea4.6060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-)
On 03/19/2013 03:48 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, who had said she hadn't decided whether to appeal, said Wednesday that she disagreed with Quinn. She said she wants to wait for lawmakers to come up with and act on a concealed-carry proposal first -- even though she thinks that Illinois' law -- which prohibits the concealed carry of weapons in public -- is constitutional. If the Legislature passes a bill, then appealing would not necessarily be something we need to do, because it would become moot, she said. Madigan's comments come as she's weighing a Democratic primary challenge against Quinn in next year's gubernatorial election. Madigan -- also a Chicago Democrat who wants an assault weapons ban -- has been a prominent attorney general who appeared on the national stage in connection with a range of issues, including home foreclosures. Her father, House Speaker Michael Madigan, is the head of the Democratic Party in Illinois and arguably the most powerful Democrat in the state. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/13/illinois-governor-wants-appeal-concealed-carry-ruling/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz2NyQVv4GN somethings wrong. The names match, but the profiles are way wrong. LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/514869ff.2020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/11/2013 12:49 AM, AndyHC wrote: On 11/01/2013 01:59, lelandj wrote: Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. snip We're back to Raspberry Pi then! The Raspberry Pi come up short of what I consider a media server. It's more like a toy to help kids lean about computers and programming, which is fine, but it's not exactly HDCP compliant, and it doesn't even come in a case with power supply and disk drive. lol Advances in technology make it possible to hook a PC to a high end HDTV, using a PC's hdmi out to pass both audio and video to the HDTV through the computer's PCIe(X16) slot. Unix, Linux, Window, or your favorite OS can be run on the PC to act as a media server, just as if the hdtv was the PC's monitor. The manufacturer of the HDCP video card would need to provide the drivers for whatever OS you use to server media http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gt_430_1024mb_review.html http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130695nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814130695gclid=CJf7hbLC4LQCFeuPPAod7HcAQQ http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Regards, LelandJ AndyD 8-)# [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50f028dd.2020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
I downloaded xbmc from Fedora 17 add/remove menu this morning. It installed without issue. I've been playing around with it for awhile. Cool!. Regards, LelandJ On 01/11/2013 09:35 AM, AndyHC wrote: get (or re-use an old) powered USB hub, this powers the R Pi and accepts a USB TV Tuner , the R Pi also has ethernet for online TV and HDMI output to your HD TV. Add an SD card with Linux + XMBC and you're cooking on gas! If you want a case use a cigar box g. AndyD On 11/01/2013 20:29, lelandj wrote: On 01/11/2013 12:49 AM, AndyHC wrote: On 11/01/2013 01:59, lelandj wrote: Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. snip We're back to Raspberry Pi then! The Raspberry Pi come up short of what I consider a media server. It's more like a toy to help kids lean about computers and programming, which is fine, but it's not exactly HDCP compliant, and it doesn't even come in a case with power supply and disk drive. lol Advances in technology make it possible to hook a PC to a high end HDTV, using a PC's hdmi out to pass both audio and video to the HDTV through the computer's PCIe(X16) slot. Unix, Linux, Window, or your favorite OS can be run on the PC to act as a media server, just as if the hdtv was the PC's monitor. The manufacturer of the HDCP video card would need to provide the drivers for whatever OS you use to server media http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gt_430_1024mb_review.html http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130695nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814130695gclid=CJf7hbLC4LQCFeuPPAod7HcAQQ http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Regards, LelandJ AndyD 8-)# [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50f05682.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/11/2013 10:25 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013, at 02:59 PM, lelandj wrote: On 01/11/2013 12:49 AM, AndyHC wrote: On 11/01/2013 01:59, lelandj wrote: Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. snip We're back to Raspberry Pi then! The Raspberry Pi come up short of what I consider a media server. It's more like a toy to help kids lean about computers and programming, which is fine, but it's not exactly HDCP compliant, and it doesn't even come in a case with power supply and disk drive. lol It can run Debian and other Linux distros, I wouldn't call it a toy. No,it doesn't have a case to keep costs down, it's just a PCB. Most people would buy it with a powered USB hub, mini keyboard and mouse and a case. So you'd be spending well under 100 euro/dollars/pounds for a usable Linux box. Not bad. Well, Raspberry Pi's price is certainly right lol, and it's impressive for its size and capabilities. It's an interesting offering, depending on what you want it to do. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50f05794.6080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/11/2013 11:04 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. You could then change between your hdtv being a pc monitor or a tv by using your hdtv remote to navigate the menu to select/change input sources. Space considerations; no place to put such a computer in this room. I didn't know there was such a thing as a DVI-to-HDMI adapter, but then it would only carry the video output and I want audio and video to come out of the TV so I can control the volume with the TV remote. Many video cards that have DVI out, and no hdmi, provided a dvi to html adopter, which cost like a few dollars. The dvi to html adopter provided with the video card had the wire used by the hdmi cable for audio out, and a small thin cable to run from the motherboard's S/PDIF pin to the video card. This allow the motherboard to direct audio output to the video card and the video card to use its dvi to hdmi adaptor to carry audio to a HDTV or monitor with hdmi input. On my motherboard the S/PDIF pin can be enabled using the BIOS. Many video cards today provide an hdmi out that works right out of the box, eliminating the complexity of using S/PDIF. If running a linux pc, I would use Nvidia's gt 430. It has an hdmi out. See my other post in this thread on the matter. Regards, LelandJ Still thinking about this... Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50f05d2d.4050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/11/2013 12:14 PM, lelandj wrote: I downloaded xbmc from Fedora 17 add/remove menu this morning. It installed without issue. I've been playing around with it for awhile. Cool!. Regards, LelandJ I decided to connect xbmc, (eg xbox Media Center - I think), to my PS3 using UPnP. I scanned my Western Digitial 2TB media into a xbmc library. The connection was made and I could play most of my movies on my PS3, but not high definition movie, (eg .mkv) It seem xbmc does not transcode HD movies for PS3 use. I have PS3 Media Server installed in my Desktop computer right now, and it will stream everything I've thrown at PS3 , including HD movies like .mkv. This would not be a problem, if I had a PC connected to my HDTV. Then I could use Fedora and xbmc media server to output to my HDTV, and it would work with HD videio like .mkv files. I might consider a Fedora PC running xbmc as my next media server with output to a large screen HDTV for the monitor, at some point in the future. Regards, LelandJ On 01/11/2013 09:35 AM, AndyHC wrote: get (or re-use an old) powered USB hub, this powers the R Pi and accepts a USB TV Tuner , the R Pi also has ethernet for online TV and HDMI output to your HD TV. Add an SD card with Linux + XMBC and you're cooking on gas! If you want a case use a cigar box g. AndyD On 11/01/2013 20:29, lelandj wrote: On 01/11/2013 12:49 AM, AndyHC wrote: On 11/01/2013 01:59, lelandj wrote: Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. snip We're back to Raspberry Pi then! The Raspberry Pi come up short of what I consider a media server. It's more like a toy to help kids lean about computers and programming, which is fine, but it's not exactly HDCP compliant, and it doesn't even come in a case with power supply and disk drive. lol Advances in technology make it possible to hook a PC to a high end HDTV, using a PC's hdmi out to pass both audio and video to the HDTV through the computer's PCIe(X16) slot. Unix, Linux, Window, or your favorite OS can be run on the PC to act as a media server, just as if the hdtv was the PC's monitor. The manufacturer of the HDCP video card would need to provide the drivers for whatever OS you use to server media http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gt_430_1024mb_review.html http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130695nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814130695gclid=CJf7hbLC4LQCFeuPPAod7HcAQQ http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Regards, LelandJ AndyD 8-)# [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50f08db5.9010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Cheapo media player.
Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. You could then change between your hdtv being a pc monitor or a tv by using your hdtv remote to navigate the menu to select/change input sources. I'm running an SyncMaster P2770HD as a monitor to my desktop computer and have selected HDMI--PC DVI from the menu as the input source and it works just like any regular monitor would. Other input sources I could select from the SyncMaster P2770HD menu are PC -- DVI, TV, DVI, AV, and Component. If the video on the PC is low resolution, you will probably want to buy a graphics card that support 1080P resolution to get the most from your HDTV. I'm running a GeForce 9800 GT video card in my desktop computer which give me up to 1920 x 1080 (16 : 9) resolution and two hdmi output ports. Since the SyncMaster P2770HD didn't have an pc hdmi -- hdmi option, I used a simple dvi to hdmi adaptor to connect the dvi end of the cable to the video card, and I'm running sound off the pc using regular speakers and subwaffer. lol this worked best for me; because, the built in speakers/sound on the SyncMaster P2770HD isn't that good. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6481048-1.html http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-hook-your-pc-to-your-lcd-for-big-screen-action/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/10/2013 12:42 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Thanks Ted. I appreciate that you're trying to help. I'm sorry if I'm being unclear. Maybe the next option is to use the TV as a dumb audio/visual terminal to run input from my computer. If that's an option, then here's my situation: I don't understand how you get to that conclusion. If that's what you want, get an HDMI cable to hook your computer up to your TV. Use your TV remote to select the alternate input. Use the computer interface to choose what video you watch. My TV would even take a VGA cable. I don't have HDMI output on my computer nor do I have a dual-output video card. In any case, I don't want to run a cable; it would have to be run through the floor and under the basement ceiling in order to avoid crossing a doorway. Warning: if you're running a Microsoft OS, it will likely want to restrict how you use your video output with something like HDCP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection) so, as always, I'd advise against running Microsoft products. It just sounds like a lot of new ways to annoy yourself. (Which, truth to tell, all of these solutions are. #1 son used to install high-end solutions for all of this; they meet all of your criteria except very notably the 'cheapo' part.) Back to your conclusion: I would suggest what you need is a small low-power computer/settopbox hooked up to your TV via HDMI, connecting to the internet via WiFi (I don't understand how you can say you don't have a home network, but you do have WiFi. Perhaps you don't have a WIRED home network?) and controlled via a dedicated remote control and/or an interface you can access from your computer or smartphone. I use a router to share the internet connection among multiple computers; some are wired, some are wireless. But all I'm doing is sharing internet; I don't have a network that allows the computers to talk to each other. In any case, the TV is not networkable in that sense: it can access a wireless internet connection but doesn't have any capability to talk to another computer. I realize--too late--that SONY makes TVs that have that sort of capability but this is not one of them. As for the related cross-talk question of how you get audio to your entertainment center, there's a strong possibility that your TV has an Audio Out connection (analog or digital) that you run to your amp/entertainment center. You use the TV as the UI and the aforementioned remote to route sound to the speakers. Yeah, I wasn't even concerned about that. It's got a 1/8 inch jack for that. My solution above does all of this, reading all the music (FLAC, WAV, MP3 and OGG) from a Samba share on the home Linux box. The specific thing I really want to do is this: View and fully control a Flash-enabled web browser on the TV screen. Then I can go to any number of free (as in beer) on-demand TV sites (Hulu is the most well-known but not the only one) and watch a wider array of programs than are available on Netflix or Hulu+. (With the kind of computer connection I'm thinking of, I could also use VLC to play various avi/mpg/divx files that are not subject to DRM; Usenet still exists and is a very valuable reasource. ;-) But I'm not likely to use that option as much, so that's why I'm focused on the web browser thing.) Yes, my TV will provide access to free YouTube via an app--if I want to deal with using left/right/up/down keys on a TV remote to choose the letters of the search term, one at a time
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/10/2013 03:28 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: And back to the Raspberry Pi.. or should that be Mornington Crescent* * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_(game) -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: 10 January 2013 20:29 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Cheapo media player. Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. You could then change between your hdtv being a pc monitor or a tv by using your hdtv remote to navigate the menu to select/change input sources. I'm running an SyncMaster P2770HD as a monitor to my desktop computer and have selected HDMI--PC DVI from the menu as the input source and it works just like any regular monitor would. Other input sources I could select from the SyncMaster P2770HD menu are PC -- DVI, TV, DVI, AV, and Component. If the video on the PC is low resolution, you will probably want to buy a graphics card that support 1080P resolution to get the most from your HDTV. I'm running a GeForce 9800 GT video card in my desktop computer which give me up to 1920 x 1080 (16 : 9) resolution and two hdmi output ports. Since the SyncMaster P2770HD didn't have an pc hdmi -- hdmi option, I used a simple dvi to hdmi adaptor to connect the dvi end of the cable to the video card, and I'm running sound off the pc using regular speakers and subwaffer. lol this worked best for me; because, the built in speakers/sound on the SyncMaster P2770HD isn't that good. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6481048-1.html http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-hook-your-pc-to-your-lcd-for-big-screen-action/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/10/2013 12:42 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Thanks Ted. I appreciate that you're trying to help. I'm sorry if I'm being unclear. Maybe the next option is to use the TV as a dumb audio/visual terminal to run input from my computer. If that's an option, then here's my situation: I don't understand how you get to that conclusion. If that's what you want, get an HDMI cable to hook your computer up to your TV. Use your TV remote to select the alternate input. Use the computer interface to choose what video you watch. My TV would even take a VGA cable. I don't have HDMI output on my computer nor do I have a dual-output video card. In any case, I don't want to run a cable; it would have to be run through the floor and under the basement ceiling in order to avoid crossing a doorway. Warning: if you're running a Microsoft OS, it will likely want to restrict how you use your video output with something like HDCP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protectio n) so, as always, I'd advise against running Microsoft products. It just sounds like a lot of new ways to annoy yourself. (Which, truth to tell, all of these solutions are. #1 son used to install high-end solutions for all of this; they meet all of your criteria except very notably the 'cheapo' part.) Back to your conclusion: I would suggest what you need is a small low-power computer/settopbox hooked up to your TV via HDMI, connecting to the internet via WiFi (I don't understand how you can say you don't have a home network, but you do have WiFi. Perhaps you don't have a WIRED home network?) and controlled via a dedicated remote control and/or an interface you can access from your computer or smartphone. I use a router to share the internet connection among multiple computers; some are wired, some are wireless. But all I'm doing is sharing internet; I don't have a network that allows the computers to talk to each other. In any case, the TV is not networkable in that sense: it can access a wireless internet connection but doesn't have any capability to talk to another computer. I realize--too late--that SONY makes TVs that have that sort of capability but this is not one of them. As for the related cross-talk question of how you get audio to your entertainment center, there's a strong possibility that your TV has an Audio Out connection (analog or digital) that you run to your amp/entertainment center. You use the TV as the UI and the aforementioned remote to route sound to the speakers. Yeah, I wasn't even concerned about that. It's got a 1/8 inch jack for that. My solution above does all of this, reading all the music (FLAC, WAV, MP3 and OGG) from a Samba share on the home Linux box. The specific thing I really want to do is this: View and fully control a Flash-enabled web browser on the TV screen. Then I can go to any number of free (as in beer) on-demand TV sites (Hulu is the most well-known but not the only one) and watch a wider array of programs than are available on Netflix or Hulu+. (With the kind of computer connection I'm thinking of, I could also use VLC to play various avi/mpg/divx files that are not subject to DRM; Usenet still exists
Re: Cheapo media player.
On 01/10/2013 03:28 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: And back to the Raspberry Pi.. or should that be Mornington Crescent* *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_(game) -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: 10 January 2013 20:29 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Cheapo media player. Why not buy a cheap PC with hdmi video built into the motherboard, and use your HDTV as its monitor? You could connect the PC to your router for internet access. You could then change between your hdtv being a pc monitor or a tv by using your hdtv remote to navigate the menu to select/change input sources. I'm running an SyncMaster P2770HD as a monitor to my desktop computer and have selected HDMI--PC DVI from the menu as the input source and it works just like any regular monitor would. Other input sources I could select from the SyncMaster P2770HD menu are PC -- DVI, TV, DVI, AV, and Component. If the video on the PC is low resolution, you will probably want to buy a graphics card that support 1080P resolution to get the most from your HDTV. I'm running a GeForce 9800 GT video card in my desktop computer which give me up to 1920 x 1080 (16 : 9) resolution and two hdmi output ports. Since the SyncMaster P2770HD didn't have an pc hdmi -- hdmi option, I used a simple dvi to hdmi adaptor to connect the dvi end of the cable to the video card, and I'm running sound off the pc using regular speakers and subwaffer. lol this worked best for me; because, the built in speakers/sound on the SyncMaster P2770HD isn't that good. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6481048-1.html http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-hook-your-pc-to-your-lcd-for-big-screen-action/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/10/2013 12:42 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Thanks Ted. I appreciate that you're trying to help. I'm sorry if I'm being unclear. Maybe the next option is to use the TV as a dumb audio/visual terminal to run input from my computer. If that's an option, then here's my situation: I don't understand how you get to that conclusion. If that's what you want, get an HDMI cable to hook your computer up to your TV. Use your TV remote to select the alternate input. Use the computer interface to choose what video you watch. My TV would even take a VGA cable. I don't have HDMI output on my computer nor do I have a dual-output video card. In any case, I don't want to run a cable; it would have to be run through the floor and under the basement ceiling in order to avoid crossing a doorway. Warning: if you're running a Microsoft OS, it will likely want to restrict how you use your video output with something like HDCP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protectio n) so, as always, I'd advise against running Microsoft products. It just sounds like a lot of new ways to annoy yourself. (Which, truth to tell, all of these solutions are. #1 son used to install high-end solutions for all of this; they meet all of your criteria except very notably the 'cheapo' part.) Back to your conclusion: I would suggest what you need is a small low-power computer/settopbox hooked up to your TV via HDMI, connecting to the internet via WiFi (I don't understand how you can say you don't have a home network, but you do have WiFi. Perhaps you don't have a WIRED home network?) and controlled via a dedicated remote control and/or an interface you can access from your computer or smartphone. I use a router to share the internet connection among multiple computers; some are wired, some are wireless. But all I'm doing is sharing internet; I don't have a network that allows the computers to talk to each other. In any case, the TV is not networkable in that sense: it can access a wireless internet connection but doesn't have any capability to talk to another computer. I realize--too late--that SONY makes TVs that have that sort of capability but this is not one of them. As for the related cross-talk question of how you get audio to your entertainment center, there's a strong possibility that your TV has an Audio Out connection (analog or digital) that you run to your amp/entertainment center. You use the TV as the UI and the aforementioned remote to route sound to the speakers. Yeah, I wasn't even concerned about that. It's got a 1/8 inch jack for that. My solution above does all of this, reading all the music (FLAC, WAV, MP3 and OGG) from a Samba share on the home Linux box. The specific thing I really want to do is this: View and fully control a Flash-enabled web browser on the TV screen. Then I can go to any number of free (as in beer) on-demand TV sites (Hulu is the most well-known but not the only one) and watch a wider array of programs than are available on Netflix or Hulu+. (With the kind of computer connection I'm thinking of, I could also use VLC to play various avi/mpg/divx files that are not subject to DRM; Usenet still exists and is a very
Re: [NF] Immutable Audit Trails
Perhaps this will help: http://dgz.dyndns.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=%28RHEL%29_HOWTO_configure_the_auditing_of_the_system_%28auditd%29 Regards, LelandJ On 01/10/2013 12:14 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I'm researching health data security issues and came across a requirement for immutable electronic audit trails. The people who write these standards can't be serious, can they? There is no such thing as immutable electronic data. Are they really dumb enough to assume that the data is immutable if you only provide read-only access to it through your software, or set the read-only bit on the files? The only relevant electronic solution I've seen for this appears to be some sort of lockbox software that can be applied to a folder. It operates like a safe with a time-lock. You could, I suppose, periodically copy audit data to that folder where it can't be modified or deleted, allegedly by anyone including the person who set the time, until the time expires. So what happens if you reset the system clock? Seriously... has anyone dealt with this requirement? What is actually necessary to comply with it? Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50ef94fd.4020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Happy New Year
On 12/31/2012 11:04 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote: futura fut...@lobocom.es wrote: Happy new year from Spain Pepe Llopis El 2013-01-01 00:00, Gérard Lochon escribió: Midnight is just ticking here, happy new year from Paris, France ! Gérard. It has reached the New Year in the east coast of the United Started now. Happy New Year!!! Happy New Year from Abilene, Texas. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50e342a6.9050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Merry Christmas to everyone at Profox
On 12/24/2012 05:03 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: Merry Christmas to everyone at Profox. Once again I'd like to thank Ed Leafe for bringing us all together and for his tireless support of the Foxpro Community. Mike I second the emotion. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d85e5e.3000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Other uses for NAS devices
On 12/24/2012 06:16 AM, AndyHC wrote: When out of the UK I use an SSH tunneled proxy server for internet and some email. Last year I ran it on a heavy duty HP server with redundant power supplies etc. This year I decided I couldn't afford the electricity so I set it up on a consumer grade Western Digital My Book World NAS - I was dubious but it has now been running without a hitch for 3 months. Anyone else got interesting uses for NAS devices - Asterisk for example AndyD 8-)# I made my own NAS device. I put a WD 7200 rpm, 2TB drive into a bay of my desktop computer, which runs Fedora 17. I installed nfs on my desktop computer, (eg yum -y install nfs-utils). Other computers on my home LAN can mount the WD, 2TD music/video partition to a directory of their computer to play music or watch movies, just as if the movies and music were part of their local directory tree. Also, I have a PS3 and Samsung HD TV in my bedroom, which are connected together with an hdmi cable. I have installed PS3 Media Server on my desktop computer in the office with a launcher icon. When I want to watch a movie, I turn on the PS3 in the bedroom. Then, in the home office I launch PS3 Media Server on my desktop computer, which connects to the PS3. I turn on the TV and select the proper HDMI port as the input source and presently a PS3 icons will appear on the TV under the music and video titles. I use the PS3 gaming controller to navigate around the PS3 GUI, select movies to watch, start and pause movies, fast scroll forward or backward through movies at various speeds, etc. Gaming controllers, like the one that comes with the PS3, are becoming very popular for use in multimedia entertainment. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d86e86.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] More evidence that an assault rifle not used in Newtown
On 12/21/2012 11:52 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 12/22/2012 12:10 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Some federal officials now say that only handguns were used in the Newtown shooting and that the assault rifle was left in Adam's car which was later retrieved by the police. A video shows the officer removing the rifle from the car. http://conservativevideos.com/2012/12/growing-evidence-an-ar15-wasnt-used-in-sandy-hook-massacre/ All the hysterical gun-control people did not stop to think before going berserk. Hi Nicholas, Only Leland will disagree :-) The AR-15 is essentially the same M16 weapon I used in Vietnam. The only difference is the AR-15 is semi-automatic, and the M16 is fully automatic. The AR-15 uses Remington 223 caliber ammo, and the M16 uses the NATO 5.56 round. The Remington 223 and NATO 5.56 are essentially the same thing with very slight variations. The purpose of weapons like the AR-15 and M16 is to wage war. I support a band on ordinary citizens owning these types of military/law enforcement grade weapons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO http://www.humanevents.com/2011/02/15/223-remington-vs-556-nato-what-you-dont-know-could-hurt-you/ Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d5b73e.6080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] More evidence that an assault rifle not used in Newtown
On 12/22/2012 07:42 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 12/22/2012 08:35 AM, lelandj wrote: Only Leland will disagree :-) The AR-15 is essentially the same M16 weapon I used in Vietnam. The only difference is the AR-15 is semi-automatic, and the M16 is fully automatic. The AR-15 uses Remington 223 caliber ammo, and the M16 uses the NATO 5.56 round. The Remington 223 and NATO 5.56 are essentially the same thing with very slight variations. The purpose of weapons like the AR-15 and M16 is to wage war. I support a band on ordinary citizens owning these types of military/law enforcement grade weapons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO http://www.humanevents.com/2011/02/15/223-remington-vs-556-nato-what-you-dont-know-could-hurt-you/ Hi Leland, See how predictable you are? That's a good thing. Right? A band using AR-15/16s would play monotonous music. Whoops, I should have said ban. LOL The difference between .223 and 5.56 NATO is not enough to produce even two notes. OK, I guess there is some difference between semi and full auto, but not a full interval and the magazines are only 30 rounds so the full auto is only for a few seconds and then you have to reload. The ammo lasts longer when fired in burst of 3 to 4 round per trigger pull, which is the recommended method, when full auto is selected on the M16. A lousy band, can't imagine why you would suggest it. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d5bdc2.2080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] More evidence that an assault rifle not used in Newtown
On 12/22/2012 08:18 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 12/22/2012 09:03 AM, lelandj wrote: On 12/22/2012 07:42 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 12/22/2012 08:35 AM, lelandj wrote: Only Leland will disagree :-) See how predictable you are? That's a good thing. Right? I suppose your wife likes it. Knows exactly how far she can push :-) The difference between .223 and 5.56 NATO is not enough to produce even two notes. OK, I guess there is some difference between semi and full auto, but not a full interval and the magazines are only 30 rounds so the full auto is only for a few seconds and then you have to reload. The ammo lasts longer when fired in burst of 3 to 4 round per trigger pull, which is the recommended method, when full auto is selected on the M16. But you have to hit a vital spot with one of the shots, otherwise the enemy keeps coming. I wasn't in 'Nam, actually served stateside for all but a few hours over the North Atlantic, but friends who were there complained they could empty the clip and the enemy kept coming forward, completely oblivious to the hits. Of course, both sides were so drugged up that . . . I like 30-06 myself. Or .45 ACP or.50 BMG. If you have to kill the enemy, do it for real and be done with it. Glad I never had to, don't want to now. I have really good locks on doors and windows. The 223/5.56 is very high velocity ammo, and it is plenty lethal. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d5cdca.6080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] A Christmas Carol
Merry Christmas and happy new year: #- From Charles Dicken's, A Christmas Carol Ignorance and Want 'Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask,' said Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe,' but I see something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw.' 'It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it,' was the Spirit's sorrowful reply. 'Look here.' From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children; wretched, abject, frightful, hideous, miserable. They knelt down at its feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment. 'Oh, Man. look here. Look, look, down here.' exclaimed the Ghost. They were a boy and a girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling, wolfish; but prostrate, too, in their humility. Where graceful youth should have filled their features out, and touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled hand, like that of age, had pinched, and twisted them, and pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has monsters half so horrible and dread. Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie of such enormous magnitude. 'Spirit. are they yours.' Scrooge could say no more. 'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it.' cried the Spirit, stretching out its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye. Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse. And abide the end.' -- Dickens A Christmas Carol #--- Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50d4dd8a.3030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] PostgreSQL x MySQL
Rather than starting with a simpler database, I would go with PostgreSQL. With PostgreSQL you can start off small, but over a number of years, it's the kind of database you can really grow into, and I doubt you would ever outgrow PostgreSQL. # #-- Excerpt: Other features: In PostgreSQL, there is no built-in mechanism for limiting database size, mostly due to the risk it implies. This is another reason, after popularity, why the most of the web hosting companies are using MySQL[citation needed]. Also, PgAgent a scheduling agent for PostgreSQL allows for scheduled processes. #--- #- Excerpt: Community: MySQL's community is supported in part by the company's Community Relations Team. MySQL AB has sponsored an annual User's Conference and Expo since 2003. PostgreSQL is a fully community supported open source project, with no singular corporate sponsorship. Instead, companies whose business models depend on PostgreSQL are accepted as members of the community, and code from corporate contributors is accepted under the same terms as from any other external contributor. Both also have large numbers of enthusiastic supporters who are willing to assist on a voluntary basis. #--- #--- Excerpt: Development MySQL is owned and sponsored by a single for-profit firm, Oracle. MySQL AB holds copyrights to most of the codebase. MySQL's corporate management has drawn criticism for mismanagement of its development. By contrast, PostgreSQL is not controlled by any single company, but relies on a global community of developers and companies to develop it. It does, however, enjoy both software development help and resource contributions from businesses who make use of PostgreSQL database technologies, such as EnterpriseDB. Corporate sponsors are considered contributors roughly like any other, however, within PostgreSQL's community-driven development model. MySQL is an open-source PRODUCT. Postgres is an open-source PROJECT. — Greg Sabino Mullane , Postgres is not for sale (reprint of original blog post) One criticism of the MySQL development model has been the historical reluctance of its corporate development team to accept patches from external sources. This has prompted some to say MySQL is not a true open source project. Nontrivial improvements from Google and Percona have been accepted into the main codebase recently, though how significant a change in external development policy this represents is yet to be seen. Furthermore, PostgreSQL's development team is much more accessible than that of MySQL, and they will go as far as to provide you with a patch if there really is a problem with the engine. On the other hand, the MySQL team will routinely degrade bugs (to not a bug) without providing any solution, and accept the fact that there's a problem and not fix it for 5 years, etc[citation needed]. http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL #--- Regards, LelandJ On 12/13/2012 07:21 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: What R the pros and cons ? Anyone ? TIA, E. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50c9f984.9090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?
On 12/10/2012 09:12 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 10, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote:
Any good password inbound will be salted and that result is found in the table.
Salted with what?
Are you using a single salt for the entire application? That's almost
useless.
Using a single salt for the entire application has its advantages.
In my application each customer's record has a password field. The
password is based on both a universal salt phrase, that is part of the
app's configuration file, and also the password is encrypted, so it
cannot be read. I can force all customer to renew their password by
changing the universal salt phrase in the configuration file.
Perl uses a one way encryption, so if a user losses their password, they
have to create a new one. Even I can't tell a customer what their
password is; because, in Perl their is no decryption mechanism.
Once a user logs into the app, they connect to the database under the
app's normal PostgreSQL user, that has limited privileges. When the
administrator logs into the app using his super user PostgreSQL user
name and password, the app connects to the PostgreSQL database using a
full privileges.
The below line calls sub crypt_password in the app's classes passing
the password and salt key. Sub crypt_password uses the salt key and
crypt function to return an salted, encrypted password back to the
$cryptedPass variable used when the customer's record is inserted:
my $cryptedPass = $oMy-crypt_password( $FORM{ add_password }, $oMy-{
SALT_KEY } );
##Class: Sm_shared_forms.pm
##crypt_password
sub crypt_password
{
my $self = shift;
my ( $password, $salt ) = @_;
$password = crypt( $password, $salt);
return $password
}
Regards,
LelandJ
-- Ed Leafe
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Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?
On 12/11/2012 01:46 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: One reason for using a separate table of course is if you want to have a history so that old passwords (or the last 'n') cannot be reused. I know several people HATE that they have to keep changing their password every 45 days or so. +1 Yes, when setting up a new user in Fedora 17, there is an option to have the password expire. Forcing a user to change their password every so often is a good security policy; because, the longer a password is exposed, the greater the risk the password will be compromised. Also, some apps expire a password after a period of inactivity. My wife has a Facebook account, and every so often I have to help her setup a new password, so she can access her Google, Gmail, and Facebook accounts. I might add something like this to my app, sometime in the future. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50c7b966.9050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?
On 12/11/2012 02:43 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:08 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Perl uses a one way encryption, so if a user losses their password, they have to create a new one. Even I can't tell a customer what their password is; because, in Perl their is no decryption mechanism. I know the term is used that way, but technically encryption implies that decryption is possible. One-way encryption is called hashing. Yes, you are right. http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/crypt.html Regards, LelandJ -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50c7babc.2090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: (NF) for HTML
On 12/07/2012 04:43 PM, G Gambill wrote: I am looking to move away from a VFP/FoxWeb solution for new (and maybe old) web pages projects. I am looking for suggestions for converting existing VFP tables to some flavor of SQL and a quick learn language to support presenting the data to an HTML page. Any suggestions? George Perl is a strong language for web development. I use a number of tool for web app development including html, perl, css, javascripts, apache, and postgresql. Perl has tons of modules, (eg classes), that can be downloaded from CPAN, to do just about anything I need. Perl has many DBI modules to handle connecting with about any database I might be using. There is a special perl app written for the Apache Wed Server named mod_perl, that enbeds perl in the apache web server. It's easy to install in Fedora simply by selecting it from an Add/Remove application menu. http://perl.apache.org/ http://iain.per.ly/hooked-on-perl/ Most places distinguish them merely by using the appropriate value. Hooray for context... -- Larry Wall in 199708040319.uaa16...@wall.org LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50c2c6cc.6000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] [Mac Again] Permissions, was Localhost gone with the wind
You might try the below link: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=4174 Regards, LelandJ On 12/04/2012 05:06 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Paul McNett p...@ulmcnett.com wrote: I'm joining this thread late, but on my Mac which has MySQL installed I issued the following sequence to find the sock file for the running MySQL: mac-2:~ pmcnett$ which mysql /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql Interesting command. Unfortunately, which mysql returns nothing. Jeez. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50bf8041.2040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Looks like Boehner is going to cave
On 12/04/2012 10:57 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: House Speaker John Boehner and the failed political establishment are purging House Committees of fiscal conservatives. So far, Reps. Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert have been removed from their respective committees for refusing to vote in lock step with the Republicans on endless spending. These members have been some of the most reliable votes for economic freedom and the Constitution, and they are now being punished for their loyalty to their Oath of Office. Rep. Tim Huelskamp (KS) - Removed from the House Budget Committee (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). Rep. Justin Amash (MI) - Removed from the House Budget Committee (100% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). Rep. David Schweikert (AZ) - Removed from the House Financial Services (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). It's bad enough we have to fight the big-spending liberal Democrats. But with friends like Boehner, who needs liberals? The Republican leadership is tired of principled fiscal conservatives fighting against their big-government agenda, and this is just the first shot. We need to send a message to Boehner that we will not allow our most valued Congressmen to be purged for upholding their commitment to economic freedom and the Constitution. In accordance with the Budget Control Act of 2011, taxes rates will go up for everybody on January 1, 2013, back to the tax rates in effect during President Clinton's years in office. If the Tea Party, and other Republicans, drive the country off the fiscal cliff, January 1, 2013 a bill would be introduced by Democrats in congress to lower taxes back to the Bush era rates for all Americans who make $250,000.00 or less. The tax rates for Americans making more than $250,000.00 would remain at the rates in effect during President Clinton's years. This would put Tea Party Republicans, and other Republicans, who have made a deal with the Devil, (eg Grover Norquist), in a very awkward position; because, voting against reinstatement of the Bush era tax cut for ordinary Americans would be political suicide. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50bf89c4.70...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Looks like Boehner is going to cave
On 12/05/2012 11:58 AM, Michael Oke wrote: I love how you think that this is the republicans fault. That should read Republican's fault. LOL You have no idea if a bill reinstating the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 would be introduced no matter what you think has been said. The tax monies from allowing the top rates to return to Clinton-era rates would do little to stop the out of control deficit that this country is dealing with. You do see how this puts President Obama, and the Democrats in congress, in a much better position to negotiate a deal, don't you? As for Grover being the devil, please. Nobody forced anyone to sign his pledge and if you want to back out, go ahead and say that. To put the USA back on the path to fiscal responsibility will take both increases in tax revenues and cuts in entitlement spending. Currently there is a terrible imbalance between revenue raised from taxes and government spending. I seem to recall the USA is spending somewhere around 42% of GDP each year, but is only raising about 24% of GDP in tax revenue per year. A more realistic balance, that seem to be working in other countries might be something along the lines of spending 36% of GDP and raising around 32% of GDP from tax revenues. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:52 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 12/04/2012 10:57 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: House Speaker John Boehner and the failed political establishment are purging House Committees of fiscal conservatives. So far, Reps. Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert have been removed from their respective committees for refusing to vote in lock step with the Republicans on endless spending. These members have been some of the most reliable votes for economic freedom and the Constitution, and they are now being punished for their loyalty to their Oath of Office. Rep. Tim Huelskamp (KS) - Removed from the House Budget Committee (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). Rep. Justin Amash (MI) - Removed from the House Budget Committee (100% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). Rep. David Schweikert (AZ) - Removed from the House Financial Services (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating). It's bad enough we have to fight the big-spending liberal Democrats. But with friends like Boehner, who needs liberals? The Republican leadership is tired of principled fiscal conservatives fighting against their big-government agenda, and this is just the first shot. We need to send a message to Boehner that we will not allow our most valued Congressmen to be purged for upholding their commitment to economic freedom and the Constitution. In accordance with the Budget Control Act of 2011, taxes rates will go up for everybody on January 1, 2013, back to the tax rates in effect during President Clinton's years in office. If the Tea Party, and other Republicans, drive the country off the fiscal cliff, January 1, 2013 a bill would be introduced by Democrats in congress to lower taxes back to the Bush era rates for all Americans who make $250,000.00 or less. The tax rates for Americans making more than $250,000.00 would remain at the rates in effect during President Clinton's years. This would put Tea Party Republicans, and other Republicans, who have made a deal with the Devil, (eg Grover Norquist), in a very awkward position; because, voting against reinstatement of the Bush era tax cut for ordinary Americans would be political suicide. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50bf9680.6090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Looks like Boehner is going to cave
On 12/05/2012 01:55 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: It is better to let everyone's tax rate go up Jan. 1 than to hide everything in a new budget plan that no one knows what's in it. When people see how directly where the tax money is coming from they will pay attention. Congress is great at hiding expenditures so that the common people don't suspect. They will think the other guy is the one taking the hit. All taxes come only from the people; any other organization or business simply passes them on as higher prices borne by the same people. The difference being that people are not aware that the taxes are being passed through. No matter what happens on Jan. 1 the bills will have to be paid. Better to do it now than a year from now. The fiscal cliff is no more than a scare tactic by the Obama crew to scare the American people into granting more taxes to the govt. so they can spend more. The Republicans will not commit suicide. It is a long time to the next election. People will forget. Congress is very good at keeping a record of each congressman's voting record. That's always the first place any political opponent would look for ammunition to unseat an incumbent. In this way the people would definitely be reminded of an incumbent's vote against lowering taxes on ordinary Americans, no matter how long until the next election. Regards, LelandJ Nicholas Geti - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Looks like Boehner is going to cave In accordance with the Budget Control Act of 2011, taxes rates will go up for everybody on January 1, 2013, back to the tax rates in effect during President Clinton's years in office. If the Tea Party, and other Republicans, drive the country off the fiscal cliff, January 1, 2013 a bill would be introduced by Democrats in congress to lower taxes back to the Bush era rates for all Americans who make $250,000.00 or less. The tax rates for Americans making more than $250,000.00 would remain at the rates in effect during President Clinton's years. This would put Tea Party Republicans, and other Republicans, who have made a deal with the Devil, (eg Grover Norquist), in a very awkward position; because, voting against reinstatement of the Bush era tax cut for ordinary Americans would be political suicide. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50bfcb58.7060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] [Mac Again] Permissions, was Localhost gone with the wind
On 11/30/2012 05:07 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: OK, instead of chown, I changed the user and group of Apache in the configuration file. It worked! Usually the user under which httpd runs has their login shell set to /sbin/nologin, so there is no way anyone can login to the system a user apache. It might be a security risk to run httpd under a normal user that has a login shell of /bin/bash, for example. If your web server is exposed to the internet, I would revert back to the default user and group for running httpd. My web server runs under user apache and group apache, and I'm user leland with a /bin/bash login shell. Therefore, all my web directories are set to owner leland and group apache. Here's an example of how I can chown to leland in my system, (eg -R reclusive, -v verbal, -f force). chown -Rvf leland /var/www/* This allows me to fire up Komodo, my IDE, which runs under leland, so I'm able to read, write, and execute all content within my web tree. Next I change the web tree to group apache as follows: chgrp -Rvf apache /var/www/* This allow httpd to access all content within the web tree. Next I set my permissions in my web tree to 755 as follow: chmod -Rvf 755 /var/www/* The allows leland to read, write, and execute all content in the web tree, and apache to read and execute all content in the web tree. If there is a need for httpd to write anything withiin the web tree, that directory and/or file should be set to 775. That's it. Regards, LelandJ Hoop-de-do! Next step: I am going to have a beer. Maybe a nice IPA. Friday reward. Thanks again to all HAGW, everyone. Ken On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: You might need to use 'chown' to change the owner to the user that apache is running as. OK, I'll go to try to figure out that. I remember the configuration file saying the owner group I like a mystery, but I'd like this damn thing to work even more --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50ba228d.7070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Leland Bait
On 12/01/2012 01:40 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1995183710001/check-out-new-volkswagen-beetle?intcmp=related There he goes, he's trading . . . That's a nice looking VW Beetle, and it even has a spoiler. LOL Although the VW Beetle has long been the best selling VW in the USA, the VW Golf is the third best selling car world wide with the VW Beetle just behind it in forth place. I'm loving my 2012 VW Golf TDI with the Tech Package, which includes: Sunroof Navigation Sound: Premium Dynaudio System Front Lights: Adoptive lighting system Transmission: Manual Color: black Name: Midnight The wife is loving her 2012 VW Golf TDI Spoiler Transmission: Automatic DSG Color: Tornado Red Name: ??? LOL The 6th generation golf remain virtually unchanged for 2013. A 7th generation Golf will be introduced in 2014 with a hybrid model being offered. http://news.wyotech.edu/post/2009/07/top-10-best-selling-cars Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50ba2ad2.9040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Leland Bait
On 12/01/2012 04:06 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 12/01/2012 11:05 AM, lelandj wrote: On 12/01/2012 01:40 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1995183710001/check-out-new-volkswagen-beetle?intcmp=related There he goes, he's trading . . . That's a nice looking VW Beetle, and it even has a spoiler. LOL http://news.wyotech.edu/post/2009/07/top-10-best-selling-cars Very surprised about the Escort at #5. Just got a 1999 one for $300. Had been schlepping my stuff around on my bike for a year when this deal came along. Of course, at that price it isn't perfect. Mostly cheap because of a lot of dents. Gets 30 mpg summer, 36 mpg winter, AC takes a lot of power. Oh, well . . . The Ford Escort has a lot of history, and I would expect the 1999 model to be simple, which would make it easy to maintain/repair. I did a Kelley Blue Book on it using 150,000 miles, and poor condition, and it appears you made a really good deal. I'm glad you have some wheels to get around. LOL I had a red 1960 Ford Falcon back in my high school days, and it always got the job done. It was a six cylinder, 144 cubic inches, 90 horsepower, 30 mpg car. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50babb0d.1050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] [Mac Again] Localhost gone with the wind
Your welcome Ken. I don't have any experience running an Apache Web Server in OS X. All my experience with Apache is Linux based, so I'm sure there's idiosyncrasies between the two OS(s); although, overall I would expect them to be basically the same. Regards, LelandJ On 11/29/2012 01:32 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: Thanks, Leland --- - I'm playing with all of this now. One thing I meant to add before: even though I am starting Apache manually. The documentation Ed linked to says it will be *off* when you reboot, unless one follows the additional steps the article outlines. However, Apache *is* on when I reboot. I wonder if there are multiple versions installed or something doofy like that??? Ken On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: In Fedora 16 I can check if httpd is running with the following command: systemctl status httpd.service You can check for syntax errors in your httpd.conf file using the following command: apachectl configtest If there are no syntax errors in your httpd.conf file, syntax OK should be returned from the above command. You will want to check your log file. The following lines in your httpd.conf file are relevant to your log file. In my case the lines are as follows: ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/error_log LogLevel warn What are you using for ServerName? What URL are you using to connect to your web server? What does your browser show, if anything, when the connection fails? Also, this may help: http://stackoverflow.com/**questions/12395639/mac-os-** mountain-lion-apache-running-**but-localhost-not-workinghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/12395639/mac-os-mountain-lion-apache-running-but-localhost-not-working http://blog.joshdick.net/2012/**07/28/troubleshooting_apache_** in_os_x_10.8_mountain_lion.**htmlhttp://blog.joshdick.net/2012/07/28/troubleshooting_apache_in_os_x_10.8_mountain_lion.html Regards, LelandJ On 11/28/2012 05:28 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: Still nothing. I know I am over my pay grade here, but I see that the httpd.conf file has the: DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents I tried to change it to: DocumentRoot /Users/ken/Sites Still nothing. Any suggestions how I can troubleshoot this lovely thing? Ken On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxhelp@information-**architecture.comfoxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Crap. I can't make it work. (google-fu, apple-fu, brain-fu) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxhelp@information-**architecture.comfoxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. I don't know how I didn't find that page. I am trying it now. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxhelp@information-**architecture.comfoxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Clues for the Clueless? Try this to see if it answers your questions: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-**13727_7-57481978-263/how-to-** enable-web-sharing-in-os-x-**mountain-lion/http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57481978-263/how-to-enable-web-sharing-in-os-x-mountain-lion/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/efWKP ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50b7bf42.2000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] [Mac Again] Localhost gone with the wind
On 11/29/2012 02:02 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: Include/private/etc/apache2/other/*.conf The above command is telling httpd.conf to look in the /private/etc/apache2/other directory, and include all files with a .conf extension during httpd start, just as if they were embedded in the httpd.conf file itself. Perhaps this is where you should put your personal name.conf file. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50b7e4dd.9090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] writing is on the wall
I have a PS3 in my bedroom connect to a HD Samsung TV using HDMI. The PS3 is part of my home LAN, which otherwise is made up of computers running Fedora 16 with some XP Pro and Windows 7 running under Virtualbox. I've installed PS3 Media-server on my Fedora 16 desktop computer to stream media content to the PS3 in my bedroom. Also, I have subscribed to Netflix, which I run mostly from the PS3 in my bedroom. It all seems to work pretty well: http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/ http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCob3taCHsafE Regards, LelandJ On 11/27/2012 11:03 AM, Paul Hill wrote: On 27 November 2012 12:04, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: I knew we were doomed when they started soldering RAM rather than socketing it :) I haven't used a chip puller in many years. Thousand-pin sockets were just an expense and a source of performance problems. Good riddance. Thinking about this it probably won't make much difference anyway. Intel likes to regularly change the CPU socket, so there is a good chance when upgrading the CPU you would need a new motherboard anyway (AMD seems to change their socket less). Speaking of which - I'm thinking of building a small media center PC. Any recommendations? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50b651ab.9040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] [Mac Again] Localhost gone with the wind
In Fedora 16 I can check if httpd is running with the following command: systemctl status httpd.service You can check for syntax errors in your httpd.conf file using the following command: apachectl configtest If there are no syntax errors in your httpd.conf file, syntax OK should be returned from the above command. You will want to check your log file. The following lines in your httpd.conf file are relevant to your log file. In my case the lines are as follows: ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/error_log LogLevel warn What are you using for ServerName? What URL are you using to connect to your web server? What does your browser show, if anything, when the connection fails? Also, this may help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12395639/mac-os-mountain-lion-apache-running-but-localhost-not-working http://blog.joshdick.net/2012/07/28/troubleshooting_apache_in_os_x_10.8_mountain_lion.html Regards, LelandJ On 11/28/2012 05:28 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: Still nothing. I know I am over my pay grade here, but I see that the httpd.conf file has the: DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents I tried to change it to: DocumentRoot /Users/ken/Sites Still nothing. Any suggestions how I can troubleshoot this lovely thing? Ken On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Crap. I can't make it work. (google-fu, apple-fu, brain-fu) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. I don't know how I didn't find that page. I am trying it now. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: Clues for the Clueless? Try this to see if it answers your questions: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57481978-263/how-to-enable-web-sharing-in-os-x-mountain-lion/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/efWKP ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50b6e0b0.1050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Its a great day to contemplate all our blessing. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Regards, LelandJ On 11/22/2012 02:00 AM, Adam Buckland wrote: To all those celebrating today have a good one... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50ae659c.1010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] About.com,Political Humor
http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2012/11/15/petraeus-scandal-jokes.htm Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50aa4e65.1070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/17/2012 10:33 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 09:07 AM 11/17/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: Leland, try to take off your liberal-at-any-cost hat for a moment and think sincerely about the following: Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. ... Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. ... First, the why. Why should government officials be held to a higher standard? Because their office reflects a trust of the citizens. I hold my trusted friends to a higher standard of conduct with me than, say, I expect out of total strangers. So to me, if I give you my trust you should expect that I expect more out of you. I believe our Founding Fathers saw it this way as well: their correspondence intoned a public office in our union engendered the utmost responsibility to those governed. Next, governmental positions have power over others. So any given action they take has a far greater potential to affect people than just an average citizen. I did a Google and found many links regarding, Federal Employee Code of Ethics, but it all related to the job. I believe it would be government overreach to impose standards, Codes of Conduct, or Code of Ethics on Americans who are off work. When off work, Americans should be able to live their lives in privacy, free from outside interference, and the USA Constitution provides Americans such protection. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=5cad=rjaved=0CEkQFjAEurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacom.mil%2Fdocuments%2Fpdf%2Fnewcomers-code-of-ethics%5B1%5D.pdfei=rUCpUKzVIon02QWqm4CwCwusg=AFQjCNFuaY-RymdzCj8DTNdrOhhrx3USnQ or http://tinyurl.com/banfddo The above is the general ethical/moral view. But lets talk about common sense for a moment. Any official that commits illegal, unethical, or even anything that may be personally embarrassing becomes a risk to their office. They become a target for blackmail or bribery. For example, a city councilman has an affair with an underage girl. A certain shady set of folks get photos and threaten to go public if the councilman doesn't change his vote on a zoning issue. The same scenario holds for those with access to classified information. This is the common sense reason why they must be held to higher codes of conduct. If you don't want to live by that code, don't try to get a job with the government. Again, the Federal Employee Code of Ethics only address conduct while on the job. For example, If David Petraeus had an affair, it's nobodies business, including his employer, as long as he keep the affair out of the public arena by using a little discretion. If his affair became know by some unsavory operative that coerced sensitive information out of him, then he has failed in performing his job and would be subject to discipline, dismissal, and even criminal misconduct. But what actually happened in David Petraeus' case was the affair was leaked to the press that splattered it all over kingdom come. David Petraues really had no choice but to resign, which was the right thing to do. Regards, LelandJ But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been ... believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence. Get a life, Charlie. It really is OK. We're not the Taliban here in the good old USA. LOL How about you get a brain Leland? The fact that we're NOT the Taliban means our government officials MUST answer to us. If we were a dictatorship or socialistic government then sure, the folks in charge could do whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want. Think about that for at least a couple minutes. But I imagine you would be the first in line to string up an official that didn't share your liberal bias. You're a walking contradiction to rational thinking. And like I said, you're not alone. There's a bunch of other people out there that's let their mind deteriorate to the point of just repeating the brief snippets they get from their favorite
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think - we want to be entertained. We want promises that we'll get something for nothing. We certainly don't want to hear about working hard and moral issues. And for some reason we believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence. Get a life, Charlie. It really is OK. We're not the Taliban here in the good old USA. LOL Regards, LelandJ -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a7a843.5010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] go after me . . . Indeed
On 11/17/2012 07:15 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/ Time for a special prosecutor. Why not just capture one of the perpetrators of the attack on Benghazi and ask if the attack was spontaneous or planned? I think the Republicans need to get over politicizing this issue, so congress can move on to more pressing matters, like resolving the fiscal cliff. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a7ab5b.9070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
Whoops, I should have said _leak_ rather than leek. Regards, LelandJ On 11/17/2012 11:00 AM, lelandj wrote: On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
Whoops, I should have said _tempted_, rather than temped. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 11/17/2012 11:00 AM, lelandj wrote: On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, and it's not clear to me whether it was a spontaneous attack caused by a video insulting Muslims, a spontaneous attack infiltrated and lead by extremist, an deliberate attack for yet unknown reasons, or an attack orchestrated by CIA/Israel to be used against Barack Obama during the elections. Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , the investigation whether secret information or operations had been compromised turned up nothing that indicated damage had been done. Everything was kept under wraps during the investigation for national security reasons; because, disclosing information to the general public at this point could have been criminal, but I'm at a lose as to why others in congress and the administration were not in the loop. This seems very strange. But for some reason, after the investigation cleared Petraeus of breaching his duties as CIA director, his affair was leaked, which had nothing to do with anything other than his personal life. Once the news of Petraeus' affair hit the internet, TV, radio, newspaper, magazines, etc. Petraeus had no choice but to resign; because, the affair not only reflected badly on him, but also on the CIA an other intelligence organizations. At this point president Obama had to accept Petraeus' resignation. If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps. After all, J Edgar Hoover was able to maintain his position as FBI director, even though he had a much more sordid personal life than Petraeus, and I'm sure there were many inside and outside the FBI that Knew it. Petraeus' resignation is a tragic end to a brilliant career. Regards, LelandJ From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination I'm beginning to think that Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, was setup by the CIA. I know that John McCain and Lindsey Graham were big supporters of president Bush's foreign policy, including voting for President Bush's nomination of neocon, Bull Dog, John Bolton, as USA Ambassador to the UN. If John Bolton had been confirmed, he would have raised hell at the UN an alienated everybody against the USA. Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, has been just the opposite of a John Bolton pick, and has been very successful improving USA international relations and gaining international support for tough sanctions against Iran, much to the chagrin of Israel and the neocons who would much prefer preemptive war. I never really understood why General David Petraeus was made the Director of the CIA. From what I've read, he was not well liked by the intelligence community, who say him as an military man, and thus an outsider. General Petraeus might also have been setup by, or a victim of the CIA. Senator John McCain and Lindsey Graham want to conduct hearings on President Obama's handling of the Benghazi attack, along the lines that brought President Nixon down during the Watergate hearings, as a way to get at President Obama. Nixon had his Watergate, Clinton had his Monica Lewinsky's, and, if the republican have their way, Obama will have his Bengahzi. LOL Somehow the Benghazi attack and Israel's desire to preemptively strict Iran; because, they fear Iran might perfect a nuclear weapon in the future, seems to play a role in all this; thus, its seems possible that the CIA, or Isreal, might have orchestrated the Benghazi attack to advance their political and military agenda. Things have come far enough along now, that someone should be able to begin connecting the dots. LOL #--- Excerpt: The president denounced senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham for saying they would attempt to block Rice from leading the state department if Obama nominated her because she either lied or was incompetent in saying that the attack in Libya on September 11 was spontaneous and that there was no evidence of a link to al-Qaida. Republicans assert that the White House knew at the time that neither claim was true. The administration says the information was substantially correct even if it was wrong to assert there was a demonstration taking place at the time. It says the link to al-Qaida is tenuous. Obama vigorously defended Rice at his press conference
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 12:56 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Looks like you don't pay attention to the news showing video clips of the attack nor are you a deep thinker. For a spontaneous riot to suddenly open up with rocket launchers, AK47's and armed squads breaking into the buildings while our couple of guys were on the roof with a machine gun trying to protect the compound, one would have to be pretty dense to even consider anything but a planned attack. Technically, Libya is part of North Africa, but if you look on a map, Libya is just a stone's throw away from the middle east. From what I've seen on TV, whenever there is a protest, or celebration for that matter, in that part of the world, everyone brings their weapon along, often firing them into the air to emphasize matters. LOL This would include handguns, AK 47s, and rocket launchers, etc. That part of the world is a rough neighborhood, so I wouldn't want to be more than a few steps away from my weapon, if there. I spent some time in Vietnam, so I know about some of these bad habits. https://www.google.com/search?q=map+middle+eastie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficialclient=firefox-a or http://tinyurl.com/arqgbf4 Regards, LelandJ Nicholas Geti - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, and it's not clear to me whether it was a spontaneous attack caused by a video insulting Muslims, a spontaneous attack infiltrated and lead by extremist, an deliberate attack for yet unknown reasons, or an attack orchestrated by CIA/Israel to be used against Barack Obama during the elections. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a55647.9060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 01:41 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, I'm becoming worried about you. You need to seek competent, professional help for your delusions. Do it now. Thank you Dr. Oke. You state above, your delusions, so what are your credentials? Are you a competent, professional Doctor specializing in psychiatric psychosis, or just another Republican attempting to discredit anything outside the box of Republican talking points. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 14, 2012, at 7:12 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: I'm beginning to think that Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, was setup by the CIA. I know that John McCain and Lindsey Graham were big supporters of president Bush's foreign policy, including voting for President Bush's nomination of neocon, Bull Dog, John Bolton, as USA Ambassador to the UN. If John Bolton had been confirmed, he would have raised hell at the UN an alienated everybody against the USA. Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, has been just the opposite of a John Bolton pick, and has been very successful improving USA international relations and gaining international support for tough sanctions against Iran, much to the chagrin of Israel and the neocons who would much prefer preemptive war. I never really understood why General David Petraeus was made the Director of the CIA. From what I've read, he was not well liked by the intelligence community, who say him as an military man, and thus an outsider. General Petraeus might also have been setup by, or a victim of the CIA. Senator John McCain and Lindsey Graham want to conduct hearings on President Obama's handling of the Benghazi attack, along the lines that brought President Nixon down during the Watergate hearings, as a way to get at President Obama. Nixon had his Watergate, Clinton had his Monica Lewinsky's, and, if the republican have their way, Obama will have his Bengahzi. LOL Somehow the Benghazi attack and Israel's desire to preemptively strict Iran; because, they fear Iran might perfect a nuclear weapon in the future, seems to play a role in all this; thus, its seems possible that the CIA, or Isreal, might have orchestrated the Benghazi attack to advance their political and military agenda. Things have come far enough along now, that someone should be able to begin connecting the dots. LOL #--- Excerpt: The president denounced senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham for saying they would attempt to block Rice from leading the state department if Obama nominated her because she either lied or was incompetent in saying that the attack in Libya on September 11 was spontaneous and that there was no evidence of a link to al-Qaida. Republicans assert that the White House knew at the time that neither claim was true. The administration says the information was substantially correct even if it was wrong to assert there was a demonstration taking place at the time. It says the link to al-Qaida is tenuous. Obama vigorously defended Rice at his press conference on Wednesday by saying that she was merely repeating the intelligence available at the time when she appeared on various Sunday television talk shows five days after the Benghazi attack. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/mccain-graham-obama-showdown-rice-nomination # Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a55b68.3020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing
On 11/15/2012 03:29 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: It's like Switzerland... everyone has a weapon... they've just been through a civil war everyones got an AK47... my business partner in Istanbul has an AK47 under his bed... they are everywhere .. everywhere... but saying that it does look like if it was a spontaneous protest there was a serious level of planning parallel to it to attack the Embassy. Yes, I agree the attack appears to have been planned, but to what end, and who directed the attack? Al Quada does not seem to be behind it. Regards, LelandJ Interesting probably for the gun nuts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16 I've fired an AK47 but never an M16 I trained with the M16 before being deployed to South East Asia in 1967 - 1968. I was stationed at Binh Thuy AB, 632d Combat Support Group, about 6 clicks east of the city of Canto in the Mekong Delta region of Vietnam. I was with the 632 Security Police Squadron during the Tet Offensive of February 1968 as an augment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Thuy_Air_Base Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: 15 November 2012 20:53 To: ProFox Email List Subject: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing On 11/15/2012 12:56 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Looks like you don't pay attention to the news showing video clips of the attack nor are you a deep thinker. For a spontaneous riot to suddenly open up with rocket launchers, AK47's and armed squads breaking into the buildings while our couple of guys were on the roof with a machine gun trying to protect the compound, one would have to be pretty dense to even consider anything but a planned attack. Technically, Libya is part of North Africa, but if you look on a map, Libya is just a stone's throw away from the middle east. From what I've seen on TV, whenever there is a protest, or celebration for that matter, in that part of the world, everyone brings their weapon along, often firing them into the air to emphasize matters. LOL This would include handguns, AK 47s, and rocket launchers, etc. That part of the world is a rough neighborhood, so I wouldn't want to be more than a few steps away from my weapon, if there. I spent some time in Vietnam, so I know about some of these bad habits. https://www.google.com/search?q=map+middle+eastie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficialclient=firefox-a or http://tinyurl.com/arqgbf4 Regards, LelandJ Nicholas Geti - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, and it's not clear to me whether it was a spontaneous attack caused by a video insulting Muslims, a spontaneous attack infiltrated and lead by extremist, an deliberate attack for yet unknown reasons, or an attack orchestrated by CIA/Israel to be used against Barack Obama during the elections. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a56440.30...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 03:38 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/15/2012 04:15 PM, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 01:41 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, I'm becoming worried about you. You need to seek competent, professional help for your delusions. Do it now. Thank you Dr. Oke. You state above, your delusions, so what are your credentials? Are you a competent, professional Doctor specializing in psychiatric psychosis, or just another Republican attempting to discredit anything outside the box of Republican talking points. Hi Leland, It is more complicated than competent professional help for your delusions, you need . . . acupuncture! Fix you right up. Must be someone in Abilene. Call him/her up and tell him/her you suffer from yŏu jīng shén bìng. Go one Pete, LOL, but you'll have to translate yŏu jīng shén bìng for me. Regards, LelandJ :-) And you will love Chinese - the homonyms are all spelled the same, LOL. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a566fe.5060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 03:52 PM, Michael Oke wrote: I don't buy talking points from either party. Your need to spin everything that happens to not be the fault of Obama and his cabinet borders on delusional therefore, you need to seek assistance. You sound a little depressed. LOL Are you sure you're not a Republican suffering from the outcome of the presidential election, rather than an independent? Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 15, 2012, at 1:15 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/15/2012 01:41 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, I'm becoming worried about you. You need to seek competent, professional help for your delusions. Do it now. Thank you Dr. Oke. You state above, your delusions, so what are your credentials? Are you a competent, professional Doctor specializing in psychiatric psychosis, or just another Republican attempting to discredit anything outside the box of Republican talking points. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 14, 2012, at 7:12 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: I'm beginning to think that Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, was setup by the CIA. I know that John McCain and Lindsey Graham were big supporters of president Bush's foreign policy, including voting for President Bush's nomination of neocon, Bull Dog, John Bolton, as USA Ambassador to the UN. If John Bolton had been confirmed, he would have raised hell at the UN an alienated everybody against the USA. Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, has been just the opposite of a John Bolton pick, and has been very successful improving USA international relations and gaining international support for tough sanctions against Iran, much to the chagrin of Israel and the neocons who would much prefer preemptive war. I never really understood why General David Petraeus was made the Director of the CIA. From what I've read, he was not well liked by the intelligence community, who say him as an military man, and thus an outsider. General Petraeus might also have been setup by, or a victim of the CIA. Senator John McCain and Lindsey Graham want to conduct hearings on President Obama's handling of the Benghazi attack, along the lines that brought President Nixon down during the Watergate hearings, as a way to get at President Obama. Nixon had his Watergate, Clinton had his Monica Lewinsky's, and, if the republican have their way, Obama will have his Bengahzi. LOL Somehow the Benghazi attack and Israel's desire to preemptively strict Iran; because, they fear Iran might perfect a nuclear weapon in the future, seems to play a role in all this; thus, its seems possible that the CIA, or Isreal, might have orchestrated the Benghazi attack to advance their political and military agenda. Things have come far enough along now, that someone should be able to begin connecting the dots. LOL #--- Excerpt: The president denounced senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham for saying they would attempt to block Rice from leading the state department if Obama nominated her because she either lied or was incompetent in saying that the attack in Libya on September 11 was spontaneous and that there was no evidence of a link to al-Qaida. Republicans assert that the White House knew at the time that neither claim was true. The administration says the information was substantially correct even if it was wrong to assert there was a demonstration taking place at the time. It says the link to al-Qaida is tenuous. Obama vigorously defended Rice at his press conference on Wednesday by saying that she was merely repeating the intelligence available at the time when she appeared on various Sunday television talk shows five days after the Benghazi attack. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/mccain-graham-obama-showdown-rice-nomination # Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a56824.8030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 04:04 PM, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:38 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/15/2012 04:15 PM, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 01:41 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, I'm becoming worried about you. You need to seek competent, professional help for your delusions. Do it now. Thank you Dr. Oke. You state above, your delusions, so what are your credentials? Are you a competent, professional Doctor specializing in psychiatric psychosis, or just another Republican attempting to discredit anything outside the box of Republican talking points. Hi Leland, It is more complicated than competent professional help for your delusions, you need . . . acupuncture! Fix you right up. Must be someone in Abilene. Call him/her up and tell him/her you suffer from yŏu jīng shén bìng. Go one Pete, LOL, but you'll have to translate yŏu jīng shén bìng for me. Regards, LelandJ OK, among USA forces in Vietnam that was know as dinky dow. LOL http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dinky%20dow Regards, LelandJ :-) And you will love Chinese - the homonyms are all spelled the same, LOL. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a569e1.6000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/15/2012 04:58 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/15/2012 05:04 PM, lelandj wrote: I'm becoming worried about you. You need to seek competent, professional help for your delusions. Do it now. Thank you Dr. Oke. You state above, your delusions, so what are your credentials? Are you a competent, professional Doctor specializing in psychiatric psychosis, or just another Republican attempting to discredit anything outside the box of Republican talking points. It is more complicated than competent professional help for your delusions, you need . . . acupuncture! Fix you right up. Must be someone in Abilene. Call him/her up and tell him/her you suffer from yŏu jīng shén bìng. Go one Pete, LOL, but you'll have to translate yŏu jīng shén bìng for me. Hi Leland, What the teachers in Chinese Med school liked to call me. They thought I didn't know what it meant. Crazy. They gave me a real nice present when I graduated. Probably happy to get rid of me. We appreciate you, Pete. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a59431.5000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing
On 11/15/2012 06:25 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: It hardly matters what name you give to the attacking group. They were organized thugs and our government should have set up a strong defensive position when it is well known how dangerous that place is. If you would kindly tell me where the next terrorist attack will occur, I'd be happy to pass that along, so the Obama Administration can fortify the position. LOL Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -- Herodotus Regards, LelandJ Nicholas Geti - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing On 11/15/2012 03:29 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: It's like Switzerland... everyone has a weapon... they've just been through a civil war everyones got an AK47... my business partner in Istanbul has an AK47 under his bed... they are everywhere .. everywhere... but saying that it does look like if it was a spontaneous protest there was a serious level of planning parallel to it to attack the Embassy. Yes, I agree the attack appears to have been planned, but to what end, and who directed the attack? Al Quada does not seem to be behind it. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a59718.3030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing
On 11/15/2012 06:25 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: It hardly matters what name you give to the attacking group. They were organized thugs and our government should have set up a strong defensive position when it is well known how dangerous that place is. Nicholas Geti The Obama Administration, the CIA, and other intelligence agencies had no Actionable Intelligence regarding the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi. One example of Actionable Intelligence would be a case where Enhanced Interrogation Technique were used to produce details about the location and date of a planned terrorist attack, although, there are many other type of Actionable Intelligence. There is still no proof the attack in Benghazi was planned; although, circumstantial evidence suggest it was. If the attack was spontaneous, there certainly would be no Actionable Intelligence; until, after the attack was under way. If the attack was planned, the intelligence community was unable to come up with any intelligence upon which to act. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9597738/US-had-no-actionable-intelligence-over-Benghazi-attack.html or http://tinyurl.com/ctggbh8 Regards, LelandJ - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing On 11/15/2012 03:29 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: It's like Switzerland... everyone has a weapon... they've just been through a civil war everyones got an AK47... my business partner in Istanbul has an AK47 under his bed... they are everywhere .. everywhere... but saying that it does look like if it was a spontaneous protest there was a serious level of planning parallel to it to attack the Embassy. Yes, I agree the attack appears to have been planned, but to what end, and who directed the attack? Al Quada does not seem to be behind it. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a5aaf5.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
I'm beginning to think that Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, was setup by the CIA. I know that John McCain and Lindsey Graham were big supporters of president Bush's foreign policy, including voting for President Bush's nomination of neocon, Bull Dog, John Bolton, as USA Ambassador to the UN. If John Bolton had been confirmed, he would have raised hell at the UN an alienated everybody against the USA. Susan Rice, USA Ambassador to the UN, has been just the opposite of a John Bolton pick, and has been very successful improving USA international relations and gaining international support for tough sanctions against Iran, much to the chagrin of Israel and the neocons who would much prefer preemptive war. I never really understood why General David Petraeus was made the Director of the CIA. From what I've read, he was not well liked by the intelligence community, who say him as an military man, and thus an outsider. General Petraeus might also have been setup by, or a victim of the CIA. Senator John McCain and Lindsey Graham want to conduct hearings on President Obama's handling of the Benghazi attack, along the lines that brought President Nixon down during the Watergate hearings, as a way to get at President Obama. Nixon had his Watergate, Clinton had his Monica Lewinsky's, and, if the republican have their way, Obama will have his Bengahzi. LOL Somehow the Benghazi attack and Israel's desire to preemptively strict Iran; because, they fear Iran might perfect a nuclear weapon in the future, seems to play a role in all this; thus, its seems possible that the CIA, or Isreal, might have orchestrated the Benghazi attack to advance their political and military agenda. Things have come far enough along now, that someone should be able to begin connecting the dots. LOL #--- Excerpt: The president denounced senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham for saying they would attempt to block Rice from leading the state department if Obama nominated her because she either lied or was incompetent in saying that the attack in Libya on September 11 was spontaneous and that there was no evidence of a link to al-Qaida. Republicans assert that the White House knew at the time that neither claim was true. The administration says the information was substantially correct even if it was wrong to assert there was a demonstration taking place at the time. It says the link to al-Qaida is tenuous. Obama vigorously defended Rice at his press conference on Wednesday by saying that she was merely repeating the intelligence available at the time when she appeared on various Sunday television talk shows five days after the Benghazi attack. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/mccain-graham-obama-showdown-rice-nomination # Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a45d9d.1020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/14/2012 09:12 PM, lelandj wrote: who say him as an military man, and thus an outsider Whoops, I should have said: who _saw_ him as an military man, and thus an outsider Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a45ece.9060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it. There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a driver license. A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, that is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized to ensure eligibility. No one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use a paper ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one darkens with a special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if necessary. If the individual qualifies during registration, it should not be necessary for the individual to show their registration papers at the registrar table and have the registrar look them up in paper list of registered voters. If the individual's registration certificate contained the voter ID in both regular number format, and bar code format, the individual could proceed immediately to the voting both, where his voting certificate would be scanned. The voting machines at each voting location could be networked together to check that the individual's voter id was valid and not previously used. If so, the voting machine could unlock a touch screen to allow the individual to vote. This kind of system could be used to let the system gradually transition to the internet, when the internet is ready to handle such a critical system. Then the individual could comfortable vote by connecting to the internet from anywhere and casting his vote from his computer, notebook, tablet, laptop, etc. Regards, LelandJ The problem with Florida is that the Republican West lost because of this faulty voting but the Democrats wanted to win so that is why they like it. Nick Geti - Original Message - From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win And again I tell you that anything of this nature is being bashed as harmful. It would disenfranchise certain voters. I personally have no issue with something of this nature being instituted but that would probably require federal intervention. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 02:29 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Voter identification of that sort is being fought tooth and nail by certain sectors of the current political regimes. I'm talking about an internal control where a voter would provide proof of eligibility to vote at the point of registration, and receive a unique ID. From this point the voter could be tracked through the system, much like UPS tracks a package from it point of origin to point of delivery. This system would eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than registered voters on record, or significantly less votes being cast than registered voters on record, and provide a back tracking mechanism should anyone try to use a unique ID more than once. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote: http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county. How would Texas cope with that? Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform an operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation Hi Leland, How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is what has to be done! Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter his unique ID to cast a vote. The voting machine would check to see if the unique ID number had not already been used within a statewide voting system; before, accepting the voters input. This kind of system would need strong security to protect the voters privacy. Without some kind
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/12/2012 11:01 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/12/2012 11:27 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Hi Nick, Leland, I suspect a double standard here in Florida. When I vote they want picture ID with my signature on it. If a counter/race/culture person shows up driving alone with only a learner's permit because he/she lost his/her license he/she gets to vote the same as I do. I know that because one of my old buddies worked the election last week and had one like that. Multiply that one by everyone working the election. But the 141% turn out was probably an inside job. Someone working the election got one of the ballot forms and reproduced it with the right votes on it. Then he/she ran it into the computer as many times as necessary when no one was looking. Pete, probably all the illegal ballot were votes for Congressman Allen west, but not in numbers enough to put him in the winner's circle. LOL Republican Congressman West should concede to newcomer Patrick Murph, and let the country move forward. http://www.examiner.com/article/fl-election-2012-update-allen-west-loses-won-t-concede-awaits-limited-recount Regards, LelandJ You shouldn't have any problems understanding why. Just read my previous comments. It is not difficult. Nick Geti OK, I just looked at my Texas Voter Registration Certificate and it has a UVID number of 1056035183 in my case. I do not understand Florida having such a hard time with its system. LOL It could be a lack of internal control, non-compliance with the current system in place, a lack of education of those managing the voting locations, willful manipulate of the results, LOL, who know what else. What I do know is any system with a lack of internal controls cannot be audited. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a1469a.4030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/12/2012 12:41 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it. There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a driver license. A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, that is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized to ensure eligibility. - Why not get finger prints over the next set of elections? I works on my laptop very well. Yeah, now you're getting the idea. Anyway, I had though about having the voting machine scan the voter's thumb print, rather than requiring an electronic signature. Anyway, the internet may not yet be ready to handle a voting system. For example, a company like Microsoft might require all its employees to report to a area, where they would be required to cast votes for Republican candidates, while being observed by management. Anyone not casting his/her vote for Repulican candidates, would be immediately terminated. LOL http://www.technologyreview.com/news/506741/why-you-cant-vote-online/ Regards, LelandJ Also take images from drivers licence because that use to work on my other laptop . ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a14cd2.4040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/12/2012 01:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Why not get finger prints over the next set of elections? I works on my laptop very well. Yeah, now you're getting the idea. Anyway, I had though about having the voting machine scan the voter's thumb print, rather than requiring an electronic signature. -- This is just to identify yourself at the voting location. No internet vote at all. Purely a check in procedure. You've got my vote for it. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a150d7.6010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/12/2012 01:44 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: You are totally ignoring the important fact that Obama and crew do not want voter ID. No how, no way. So why are you pounding on ways to prevent voter fraud? Because Florida needs help. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/07/nation/la-na-florida-20121108 Regards, LelandJ Nick Geti. - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it. There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a driver license. A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, that is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized to ensure eligibility. No one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use a paper ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one darkens with a special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if necessary. If the individual qualifies during registration, it should not be necessary for the individual to show their registration papers at the registrar table and have the registrar look them up in paper list of registered voters. If the individual's registration certificate contained the voter ID in both regular number format, and bar code format, the individual could proceed immediately to the voting both, where his voting certificate would be scanned. The voting machines at each voting location could be networked together to check that the individual's voter id was valid and not previously used. If so, the voting machine could unlock a touch screen to allow the individual to vote. This kind of system could be used to let the system gradually transition to the internet, when the internet is ready to handle such a critical system. Then the individual could comfortable vote by connecting to the internet from anywhere and casting his vote from his computer, notebook, tablet, laptop, etc. Regards, LelandJ . [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a15e89.2040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 10:58 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county. How would Texas cope with that? Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform an operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation on how the system could be improved. The current system is clearly disjointed, inefficient, and unreliable, likely because of the lack of internal controls, which are needed to provide: a) Accurate Reliable results b) Compliance with laws and regulations c) Effectiveness and efficiency of operations Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509fe9fd.7020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote: http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county. How would Texas cope with that? Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform an operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation Hi Leland, How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is what has to be done! Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter his unique ID to cast a vote. The voting machine would check to see if the unique ID number had not already been used within a statewide voting system; before, accepting the voters input. This kind of system would need strong security to protect the voters privacy. Without some kind of internal control in place, such as the example I provided above, it may not be possible to identify fraudulent votes. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509ff964.6060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 02:32 PM, Paul Hill wrote: On 11 November 2012 19:15, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. You just described the voting system as used by half the world! Here in the UK I receive a card in the post which I take down to vote. It can only be used once and only at one place (normally a local school, in my case the local judo club). The alternative is the system used in India. The voter dips his/her finger in a strong dye. If you have a blue finger you can't vote! I don't know why this type system is not more prevalent in the USA. In this type of system a lot of the work like showing photo ID, etc could be done during registration, and then all a voter need do to vote is appear with their registration, which contained their unique ID. This would eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than registrations on record. LOL It could also be used to track the voter from the point of registration to the point of where the vote is cast. It could also be used to back track to a voter, should irregularities arise. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a01623.4040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 02:29 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Voter identification of that sort is being fought tooth and nail by certain sectors of the current political regimes. I'm talking about an internal control where a voter would provide proof of eligibility to vote at the point of registration, and receive a unique ID. From this point the voter could be tracked through the system, much like UPS tracks a package from it point of origin to point of delivery. This system would eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than registered voters on record, or significantly less votes being cast than registered voters on record, and provide a back tracking mechanism should anyone try to use a unique ID more than once. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote: http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county. How would Texas cope with that? Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform an operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation Hi Leland, How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is what has to be done! Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter his unique ID to cast a vote. The voting machine would check to see if the unique ID number had not already been used within a statewide voting system; before, accepting the voters input. This kind of system would need strong security to protect the voters privacy. Without some kind of internal control in place, such as the example I provided above, it may not be possible to identify fraudulent votes. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a01998.1020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 02:32 PM, Paul Hill wrote: On 11 November 2012 19:15, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. You just described the voting system as used by half the world! Here in the UK I receive a card in the post which I take down to vote. It can only be used once and only at one place (normally a local school, in my case the local judo club). The alternative is the system used in India. The voter dips his/her finger in a strong dye. If you have a blue finger you can't vote! OK, I just looked at my Texas Voter Registration Certificate and it has a UVID number of 1056035183 in my case. I do not understand Florida having such a hard time with its system. LOL It could be a lack of internal control, non-compliance with the current system in place, a lack of education of those managing the voting locations, willful manipulate of the results, LOL, who know what else. What I do know is any system with a lack of internal controls cannot be audited. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a01e5a.80...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
On 11/11/2012 03:39 PM, Michael Oke wrote: And again I tell you that anything of this nature is being bashed as harmful. It would disenfranchise certain voters. I personally have no issue with something of this nature being instituted but that would probably require federal intervention. OK, I understand the importance of making the public as comfortable as possible to get the vote out. That's particularly important for minorities, so there must be a balanced approach. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 02:29 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Voter identification of that sort is being fought tooth and nail by certain sectors of the current political regimes. I'm talking about an internal control where a voter would provide proof of eligibility to vote at the point of registration, and receive a unique ID. From this point the voter could be tracked through the system, much like UPS tracks a package from it point of origin to point of delivery. This system would eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than registered voters on record, or significantly less votes being cast than registered voters on record, and provide a back tracking mechanism should anyone try to use a unique ID more than once. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote: http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county. How would Texas cope with that? Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform an operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation Hi Leland, How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is what has to be done! Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something like this. The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number. In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they could be required to present their unique ID number. This number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could receive a ballot. If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter his unique ID to cast a vote. The voting machine would check to see if the unique ID number had not already been used within a statewide voting system; before, accepting the voters input. This kind of system would need strong security to protect the voters privacy. Without some kind of internal control in place, such as the example I provided above, it may not be possible to identify fraudulent votes. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a01f75.5020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you. Anyone 65, or older, in Texas can vote early by mail. I downloaded the request for a Texas early voting ballot around September 21, 2012. The request for an early voting ballot was in a .pdf format. As I remember, the ballot itself had nothing on it pointing back to me other than a bar code, or the bar cord was on the green return envelope. I filled out the ballot, which required the complete covering of square boxes using either a blue or black ball point pin; no pencils allowed. Once I completed my ballot selections, I placed the ballot in the green envelope and sealed it up. Then I had to place the green envelope inside a yellow envelope, which required my signature. I sealed up the yellow envelope, signed it, and mail it in complete with stamp and return address. http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509d0c36.2010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 06:10 AM, geoff wrote: They were hanging back from counting in case florida went down to the wire and they could cheat... again. And think about it... doesnt that just have that delicious taste of truth about it? The Florida voting process seemed to deliberately be trying to suppress the vote by making the process inefficient, resulting in long lines that could take up to seven or eight hours to reach the voting booth. LOL Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 6:23 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you. What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to count the votes? LOL It should only delay calling the election by projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred election night. No recount was involved. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509d0e2b.1000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 12:13 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 07:10 AM, geoff wrote: I visited the supervisor of elections office today. They told me that the absentee ballots and provisional ballots are not counted if they would make no difference. If the election is close, then they count them all. That's wierd. It seem like every vote should be valued to determine the overall popular vote, even if the state electoral vote is not in question. In Texas early voting by mail is cut off well in advance of election day, so the early vote can be tally for immediate input when regular voting starts. Some states allow registered voters to cast their ballot over the internet, if they will be out of the country on election day, etc. Regards, LelandJ Since these have to be counted by hand, it takes days. They were hanging back from counting in case florida went down to the wire and they could cheat... again. And think about it... doesnt that just have that delicious taste of truth about it? -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 6:23 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you. What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to count the votes? LOL It should only delay calling the election by projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred election night. No recount was involved. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509d5988.9070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 03:42 PM, Michael Oke wrote: I don't disagree with the vote being sacred and, as such, people who fail to avail themselves of it do a great disservice and not just to themselves. I was not offering the ballot as an excuse, merely wondering if they might contribute to the long queues. I'm not even going to start on the lunacy that exists with counting ballots in Florida. Every vote is supposed to count but maybe not. I understand some of the difficulties with provisional ballots but that doesn't mean that one single vote should go uncounted. OK. I understand how provisional ballots can delay the announcement of the outcome of a close election, and also how provisional ballots can be used to manipulate elections. LOL I wasn't aware that provisional ballots existed, so they are new to me. #-- Excerpt: Potential problems At their best, provisional ballots provide voters who would otherwise be turned away from the polls to have their votes counted, but at their worst, the offer of a provisional ballot can be a way to brush off troublesome voters by letting them think they have voted. It is possible for parties to force certain voters to cast provisional ballots so they can suppress the vote total of an opponent being counted on election night. In the 2004 US Presidential Election, controversy arose out of arguments regarding the interpretation of the criteria for determining the eligibility of voters using provisional ballots. Many allege that these discrepancies of interpretations, particularly in Ohio, may have been a deciding factor in the outcome of the election. In the 2004 election, at least 1.9 million provisional ballots were cast, and 676,000 were never counted due to various states' rules on counting provisional ballots. Studies of the use of provisional ballots in the 2006 general election in the United States show that around 21% of provisional ballots were rejected, where the majority of rejected ballots were cast by registered voters and the majority of rejections were for reasons that were preventable.[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot #- Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:26 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: Fortunately, most western democracies treat the vote as sacred - not something that can be taken away. Here in Australia everyone is entitled to vote unless they are actually in jail at the time serving a current sentence of 5 years or more. The only other people denied the vote are the declared mentally incompetent and the current head of state (the governor-general). and the 'ridiculousness' of the ballot is a poor excuse. it is a relatively simple matter of demand management. And so I question WHY there are always queues and why voting is encouraged on one hand and then actively denied by inadequate polling stations. And then you have the idiocy of florida even choosing not to count absentee and postal votes 'unless it is close'. who determines that? -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:08 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks If 50 years ago that drunken fight resulted in a felony conviction, then yes you have forfeited your right to vote. Keep in mind that that doesn't stop people from voting anyway. I don't understand the queues either but it might have a bit to do with the ridiculousness of some of the ballots. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:27 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: Why shouldnt they? Surely in any democracy the right to vote should only be denied under extreme situations and certianly not that 50 years ago you got into a drunken fight and hit someone. For a democracy, you americans seem quite keen on denying the vote to as many as you can either by legislation or by creating such queues that people give up. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 4:54 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks Why should criminals (felons specifically) be allowed to vote? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:19 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: I have to say that as an observer of your voting system that it sucks almost beyond belief. You have queues where people stand half a day to vote when an obvious and rather simple solution is more machines and more staff. You have officials trying to rig the system, Florida denying
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 09:01 PM, lelandj wrote: On 11/09/2012 03:42 PM, Michael Oke wrote: I don't disagree with the vote being sacred and, as such, people who fail to avail themselves of it do a great disservice and not just to themselves. I was not offering the ballot as an excuse, merely wondering if they might contribute to the long queues. I'm not even going to start on the lunacy that exists with counting ballots in Florida. Every vote is supposed to count but maybe not. I understand some of the difficulties with provisional ballots but that doesn't mean that one single vote should go uncounted. OK. I understand how provisional ballots can delay the announcement of the outcome of a close election, and also how provisional ballots can be used to manipulate elections. LOL I wasn't aware that provisional ballots existed, so they are new to me. #-- Excerpt: Potential problems At their best, provisional ballots provide voters who would otherwise be turned away from the polls to have their votes counted, but at their worst, the offer of a provisional ballot can be a way to brush off troublesome voters by letting them think they have voted. It is possible for parties to force certain voters to cast provisional ballots so they can suppress the vote total of an opponent being counted on election night. In the 2004 US Presidential Election, controversy arose out of arguments regarding the interpretation of the criteria for determining the eligibility of voters using provisional ballots. Many allege that these discrepancies of interpretations, particularly in Ohio, may have been a deciding factor in the outcome of the election. In the 2004 election, at least 1.9 million provisional ballots were cast, and 676,000 were never counted due to various states' rules on counting provisional ballots. Studies of the use of provisional ballots in the 2006 general election in the United States show that around 21% of provisional ballots were rejected, where the majority of rejected ballots were cast by registered voters and the majority of rejections were for reasons that were preventable.[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot #- Regards, LelandJ Here's more: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20565-2004Nov3.html Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:26 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: Fortunately, most western democracies treat the vote as sacred - not something that can be taken away. Here in Australia everyone is entitled to vote unless they are actually in jail at the time serving a current sentence of 5 years or more. The only other people denied the vote are the declared mentally incompetent and the current head of state (the governor-general). and the 'ridiculousness' of the ballot is a poor excuse. it is a relatively simple matter of demand management. And so I question WHY there are always queues and why voting is encouraged on one hand and then actively denied by inadequate polling stations. And then you have the idiocy of florida even choosing not to count absentee and postal votes 'unless it is close'. who determines that? -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:08 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks If 50 years ago that drunken fight resulted in a felony conviction, then yes you have forfeited your right to vote. Keep in mind that that doesn't stop people from voting anyway. I don't understand the queues either but it might have a bit to do with the ridiculousness of some of the ballots. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:27 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: Why shouldnt they? Surely in any democracy the right to vote should only be denied under extreme situations and certianly not that 50 years ago you got into a drunken fight and hit someone. For a democracy, you americans seem quite keen on denying the vote to as many as you can either by legislation or by creating such queues that people give up. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 4:54 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks Why should criminals (felons specifically) be allowed to vote? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:19 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: I have to say that as an observer of your voting system that it sucks almost beyond belief. You have queues where people
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 03:32 PM, geoff wrote: Its a pretty bad sign I admit... Have you seen the new TV show 'last Resort'? 10 years ago such a show would be viewed as silly fiction. Now it is being made because of an intense distrust - among americans - of their democratic institutions. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:37 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks But they are the free world. LOL With Guantanamo, the patriot's act, police brutality, etc. Just another police state. El 09/11/12 17:31, geoff escribió: I live in australia. We would be unlucky to queue 30 minutes to vote. We know how many people are going to vote so we staff the polling booths accordingly. I struggle to understand how such a simple supply and demand equation can so elude so many american voting authorities. Mind you we have ONE electoral authority while I am guessing you have somewhere between 50 and 200? A bit like you have 7000 police forces and we have 7. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 12:38 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks On 11/09/2012 06:10 AM, geoff wrote: They were hanging back from counting in case florida went down to the wire and they could cheat... again. And think about it... doesnt that just have that delicious taste of truth about it? The Florida voting process seemed to deliberately be trying to suppress the vote by making the process inefficient, resulting in long lines that could take up to seven or eight hours to reach the voting booth. LOL Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of lelandj Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 6:23 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you. What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to count the votes? LOL It should only delay calling the election by projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred election night. No recount was involved. Regards, LelandJ Last resort is one of my favorites. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509dc696.7000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! - Bayesian Filter detected spam
On 11/08/2012 09:16 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Don't bet on it. The Republicans are stronger than ever in the House which is the only place where spending bills are allowed to be created. They can hold Obama in check for a long time. The legislation enacted by congress in 2011, (eg the so called fiscal cliff); after, congress failed to negotiate a deal to reduce the deficit, puts the Obama Administration and the Democrats in a strong position in the coming debate and negotiations/compromises on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. I think a compromise will be reached that will allow the economy to continue to improve, allow the deficit to be reduced, and provide cover for Republicans who fear political repercussion, if they cave to raising taxes. Taxes will likely be increased through tax reform that is progressive; rather, than tax rate increases that are progressive. For example, the IRS code might limit the mortgage deduction to the first $250,000.00 appraised value of all houses. The wealthiest 2% of American that have several million or billion dollar houses around the country, would loss a sizable amount of their mortgage deduction, which would result in them paying increased income tax, (eg sorry about that Donald) LOL The Democrats would put skin in the game by cooperating on some entitlements. With the elections over both parties are in a better position to work together for the best interest of the country and the American people. Anyway, I feel sure a compromise will be reached that avoids going off the fiscal cliff midnight, 12/31/2012. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/biden-democrats-willing-to-compromise-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff/ or http://tinyurl.com/aq7nhdd Regards, LelandJ Nick Geti - Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! - Bayesian Filter detected spam Ive listened to four years of the nut-jobs blaming Obama for the stock market dive - before he was elected - and Pete practically accuses him of boiling babies for fuel for his jet. I can normally be a gracious winner but in this case some gloating along with some mocking is truly deserved and warranted. Now maybe there could be some simple partisanship instead of redneck racism and insanity. . [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509c8609.2030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
On 11/08/2012 09:45 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no clue about the American psychic. The hurricane that screwed up the Republican National Convention in Florida should have served as a clue that Governor Romney's bid for the presidency was doomed. Not mentioned in the article is: 1) The Obama campaign was much better networked, especially using the internet socializing on facebook, twitter, google, etc. 2) The Republicans ran an old fashion campaign failing to recognize the USA changing demographics, and how the country had move beyond the old conservative order of things. #--- Excerpt: Analysis: Why Romney lost http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/why-romney-lost/index.html #- Regards, LelandJ I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party. The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism which is the same as Communism. Other groups were the blacks who even though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S. I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all even out. Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors. It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3 trillion per year. No one knows for sure. Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc. We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in. Nick Geti - Original Message - From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! On 11/07/2012 01:24 AM, geoff wrote: Dear rednecks (madagain and pete particularly) http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/ -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509c8d56.5050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Florida's voting system sucks
Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509c9579.9020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 12:58 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 12:32 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results Hi Leland, What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509cb116.7060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote: Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office. Finally; three hours ago: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results What would Texas have done, given that close a result? Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how the Florida voting system might be improved. I'm sure there are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right. Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you. What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to count the votes? LOL It should only delay calling the election by projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred election night. No recount was involved. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509cb644.7000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dow Jones down 240
On 11/07/2012 09:22 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: America loves 4 more years. http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.FOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTWFya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3?s=^dji Investors are probably selling long term stocks that would result in capital gains taxed at a 15% rate in effect through the end of 2012. The rate on capital gains is likely to go up next year to 20%, or even be taxed at ordinary income rates. The stock market should settle down shortly and, I hope, begin a steady increase through at lest next year. Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509a832e.2010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dow Jones down 240
On 11/07/2012 09:50 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/07/2012 09:22 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: America loves 4 more years. http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_**ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.**FOiuYdG;_ylu=** X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbm**NlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIE** cG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTW**Fya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=** X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbG**FuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh** dANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=**3?s=http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.FOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTWFya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3?s= ^dji Investors are probably selling long term stocks that would result in capital gains taxed at a 15% rate in effect through the end of 2012. The rate on capital gains is likely to go up next year to 20%, or even be taxed at ordinary income rates. The stock market should settle down shortly and, I hope, begin a steady increase through at lest next year. -- Not sure why this money should be re-taxed at ordinary rates. It already was through that wringer declaring it as profit. Thus taxed to the company as INCOME. You are probably thinking about dividends, which are not deductible to a corporation, but taxed to the person holding the stock. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509a8578.6010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dow Jones down 240
On 11/07/2012 09:22 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: America loves 4 more years. http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.FOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTWFya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3?s=^dji I listen to Bloomberg radio over a SiriusXM internet connection. Bloomberg radio was a big time supporter of Governor Mitt Romney, as were the vast majority of Wall Streeters, many of whom contributed large sums of money to the Romney campaign. They saw Romney as their Great White Hope, and structured their portfolios accordingly. I imagine many of these folks are scramble to calibrate their portfolios towards stocks that are likely to benefit over the next four year of President Obama Leadership. Stocks likely to fall out of favor are defense contractor, (eg the Military Industrial Complex), dirty energy companies that deal in coal, etc., banks and other financial institutions that will be regulated to protect consumers, etc. LOL Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509a8be0.1050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dow Jones down 240
On 11/07/2012 10:22 AM, Adam Buckland wrote: Technically America loves 4 more years... However America dislikes the economic news from the Eurozone that it will go into recession US exports need willing buyers in Europe It seems best to view economics today using a global scope. We are all in this together. This may sound backwards; because; the economic problems of the EU, and its euro currency, is thought to be unmanageable debt, but I think the EU needs to stimulate economies of all its members to create demand for not only products product and sold between EU member countries, but for products produced abroad, even if it increases the debt of the various players. Once the EU begins operating normally, the excessive debt of the EU member countries should be addressed by a EU governing body. The EU need a stronger governing body with a central bank that can control the currency of all its member countries, much like the US Federal Reserve operates. The EU should draw up a document specifying exact what powers and responsibilities its governing body has, and leaving all other powers and responsibilities to it sovereign member countries. This would reduce contention between the separate member countries. In short the EU should be structured much as the USA with its governing body analogous to the USA Federal Government, and its member countries analogous to the USA states. Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 07 November 2012 15:22 To: Pro Fox Email List Subject: [OT] Dow Jones down 240 America loves 4 more years. http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.FOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTWFya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3?s=^dji --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509a93f9.4020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Dow Jones down 240
On 11/07/2012 10:31 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, Defense industries should be fine as Obama claimed that the proposed massive cuts wouldn't happen. Or is that not what he said in the third debate? This doesn't have anything to do with the Budget Control Act of 2011, scheduled to go into effect at the end of 2012. Democrats and Republican must still come together to avoid this fiscal cliff. http://bonds.about.com/od/Issues-in-the-News/a/What-Is-The-Fiscal-Cliff.htm It seems the stock is down today; because, it's calibrating to Governor Romney losing the election. Governor Romney wanted to tie defense spending to 4% of USA GDP, which calculates to about a 25% increase in defense spending over current levels. This would have increased defense contracts with the military Industrial Complex, (eg companies like Lockheed and Boeing) significantly, costing taxpayers, or the deficit, trillions of dollars over the next 10 years, while padding the pockets of the Military Industrial Complex. Regards, LelandJ This would increase in many more contracts have resulted in trillions of dollars As for 'clean' energy, what a farce. Billions flushed down the toilet with zero benefit for American consumers, unless you consider a bill a benefit. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:27 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/07/2012 09:22 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: America loves 4 more years. http://finance.yahoo.com/q;_ylt=Ah5H5txzIYQhxMiFLaAP.FOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMGRkaG9uBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1hcmtldCBTdW1tYXJ5IDIEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhUXVvdGVzTWFya2V0U3VtbWFyeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3?s=^dji I listen to Bloomberg radio over a SiriusXM internet connection. Bloomberg radio was a big time supporter of Governor Mitt Romney, as were the vast majority of Wall Streeters, many of whom contributed large sums of money to the Romney campaign. They saw Romney as their Great White Hope, and structured their portfolios accordingly. I imagine many of these folks are scramble to calibrate their portfolios towards stocks that are likely to benefit over the next four year of President Obama Leadership. Stocks likely to fall out of favor are defense contractor, (eg the Military Industrial Complex), dirty energy companies that deal in coal, etc., banks and other financial institutions that will be regulated to protect consumers, etc. LOL Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/509a97fa.1000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
